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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: gribeauval on June 23, 2008, 11:16:53 pm

Title: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on June 23, 2008, 11:16:53 pm: Now the drifter is finished I can get back to building boats I love........Lifeboats!
I have now started the second model for the gentleman who bought the RNLI boathouse at Whitehills, Scotland. This is the last boat stationed in Whitehills before it was closed and was a 47ft Watson cabin class named RNLB Helen Wycherley.

Unlike the Self righting lifeboat I have already made for him this one will be a working r/c model.

The keel has been cut and placed on its building board to keep it straight and vertical (I hope!) until all the frames have been added over the next few days and the stringers glued in place to give a rigid structure which will then be double diagonally planked as was the original boat.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on June 27, 2008, 08:00:46 pm: Now have all the frames in place ready to chamfer their edges and fit the stringers that will support the double diagonal planking. I will be using a grp superstructure (made by Models by Design) as the basis for all the detailing as the original was made from aluminium and unlike using wood will require less finishing to give the correct surface.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: moller62 on June 28, 2008, 02:57:39 pm: Your work always look impressive, i'm looking forward to follow your build O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on June 30, 2008, 08:29:40 pm: The most important stringer on the hull , the deck level stringer, has now been fitted to the frames. Get this one wrong and you end up with a lobsided hull and have to start again! :o
I have also fitted fore and aft deck beams sanded to match the sheer of the hull, added a flange (the thickness of the deck) and produced a wooden 'angle iron' that is curved to match the sheer of the boat and makes the frames rigid. This has allowed the top edges of the frames in this area to be removed so that access into the hull can be achieved. Now it's down to fitting the rest of the stringers then it's on with the planking!
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on July 04, 2008, 08:08:06 pm: Whilst awaiting delivery of the small tropical rain forest that will be the stringers and the planking for the hull I decided to fit the deck and the coaming for the superstructure to stiffen up the whole thing. This was done with 1/8th lime planks and sheet. When completed and sanded down the grp superstructure is now a nice fit and the frames are now nice and stiff with no tendency to warp.

The last picture shows the rain forest that was collected from my supplier this morning. 8)

It's now on with adding the stringers then the planking. :D
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on July 09, 2008, 11:31:44 am: Over the past few days I have fitted and faired the stringers needed and now have a rigid, lightweight frame. Only one frame needed a small adjustment to give the smooth lines of a Watson lifeboat hull. I have also started to turn the 'rain forest' I bought into a hull and the first planks have been fitted, only a couple of hundred left to go!!
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: bbdave on July 28, 2008, 11:24:25 pm: How's the build going? i'm thinking of building a watson so interested in the hull planking specialy the tunnels
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on July 29, 2008, 02:22:12 pm: Quote from: bbdave on July 28, 2008, 11:24:25 pm
How's the build going? i'm thinking of building a watson so interested in the hull planking specialy the tunnels

Very Slowly!! Two reasons for this; 1) I have been on holiday and 2) The first layer always seems to take forever as you can only add one plank per side at a time. The top layer will be faster as the planks can be pinned to the first layer. The tunnels are planked fore and aft as this is what the cross sections show and diagonal planking in them would be almost impossible! Whilst waiting for the planking to dry I have also made the rudder which not only steers but can be raised when needed as the blade slides up and down on the square shaft.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: bbdave on July 29, 2008, 11:58:23 pm: What timber are you using for your planking? I've had the watson drawrings out this evening she may be moving up the to do list ::)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on July 30, 2008, 11:01:45 am: Quote from: bbdave on July 29, 2008, 11:58:23 pm
What timber are you using for your planking? I've had the watson drawrings out this evening she may be moving up the to do list ::)

I always use lime for the planking on my hulls that will be painted. I buy it in sheet form (usually 1/16th x 3 in x 36 in) and cut the planks as I need them ( usually 3/8th" wide). I like the way it bends both dry and wet without wanting to split and it finishes well.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 04, 2008, 07:33:59 pm: At last, the final planks of the first layer have been fitted !! Next job will be a thin layer of filler to correct any irregularities in the hull followed by sanding to a decent finish then the cloth interlayer will be fitted. After all this then the top layer of planks can be started. :o

One thing I like about the double diagonal planking is that the inside of the hull also looks good. The bottom picture shows the area that will contain the motors for the boat.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Roger in France on August 05, 2008, 06:39:10 am: ....and a very serviceable boat stand, Mike! Which, I assume, is a temporary arrangement! ;)

I do agree that the diagonal planking looks good. It almost seems a shame to conceal it when the exterior of the hull is completed.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 05, 2008, 01:18:03 pm: Quote from: Roger in France on August 05, 2008, 06:39:10 am
....and a very serviceable boat stand, Mike! Which, I assume, is a temporary arrangement! ;)

I do agree that the diagonal planking looks good. It almost seems a shame to conceal it when the exterior of the hull is completed.

Roger in France.

Yes Roger, simple stands not requiring any building by me (except cutting a couple of slots in the ends) available free at the supermarket and a form of recycling ! ;)
Yes it always seem a pity to cover up the nice patern of the planking. However you can still see the 'ghosts' of the diagonals on the outside of the hull after painting on most boats built like this, it's just that they aren't very pronounced.

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 06, 2008, 07:21:45 pm: The hull has now been coated in filler and nearly all of it sanded off to correct the minor shape faults, I looked like a snowman this morning covered in white filler dust!! The running gear was also positioned to check that the props rotate without hitting the sides of the tunnels and to take the measurements for the propshaft supports. Next will be the gluing in place of the cloth interlayer tomorrow.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on August 06, 2008, 07:29:29 pm: Looking good Mike O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 08, 2008, 10:04:49 pm: The hull has now had its cloth interlayer glued in place. This was fitted onto the hull whilst wet and after drying for about 15mins it was glued in place by stippling pva though the cloth. After leaving to dry overnight the excess was trimmed off and the top layer of planking started. In the tunnel the props were re-inserted to check that they were still able to rotate freely. More planking to be done this weekend! :(
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 17, 2008, 08:55:26 pm: The planking is finished at last!! Now the hull looks like a Watson hull. I have also made and fitted the outer shaft supports and the shaft exit covers. The keel doublers have been glued in place, on the original boat these were cast iron and gave the boat its stability.

Next on the agenda will be the fitting of the bilge keels and the deck level belting.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 19, 2008, 03:29:00 pm: Laminated and fitted the bilge keels. Also the hull has had a couple of coats of sanding sealer before starting on the primers. The rudder was also checked for fit and clearance ready to cut the holes for the control rods.

Next will be the wooden belting at deck level then it's primer,sanding,primer,sanding, pri........... :-\
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: dan on August 19, 2008, 04:41:02 pm: hi gribeauval,

nice job on the planking O0 its looking really good already, i cant wait to see it once its completed! whats the rudder made of is plastic?

cheers, Dan
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 19, 2008, 07:49:50 pm: Quote from: dan on August 19, 2008, 04:41:02 pm
hi gribeauval,

nice job on the planking O0 its looking really good already, i cant wait to see it once its completed! whats the rudder made of is plastic?

cheers, Dan

Thanks for the comment Dan. ;)

No the rudder is made from ply(the blade) and brass (the sliding sections, square shaft and reinforcing strrips)

Mike :)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: dan on August 19, 2008, 08:15:31 pm: wow even that is a work of art, shame no one will see it doing its job
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 21, 2008, 11:46:39 pm: After much bad language, pva and superglue the wooden fender at deck level has been steamed, bent, hammered and nailed into position. To get the correct shape several different shaped pieces of wood have been used. The bit at the pointy end (technical term 8) ) was moulded from milliput and at the blunt end (technical term again!) the box that covers the steering gear has been started. This will be completed when the hull has been painted as the rudder will not be fixed in place until then. When it stops raining it will be a case of primer. sanding, primer, sanding, prim........ ::) until I am happy to finish the hull in blue and white.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on August 22, 2008, 01:40:32 pm: Is that belting big enough? On the couple of 47' Watsons I've seen it's much deeper - somewhere between a foot an eighteen inches admidships, and a lot of it is painted blue so you can't see it very well when looking down on the boat.

I've been hunting aroung the web too see if I can see antthing that shows it, with no luck - but I've got some pictures at home that I'll scan (Frederick Edward Crick - ex-Lowestoft).

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 22, 2008, 02:54:12 pm: Quote from: furball on August 22, 2008, 01:40:32 pm

Is that belting big enough? On the couple of 47' Watsons I've seen it's much deeper - somewhere between a foot an eighteen inches admidships, and a lot of it is painted blue so you can't see it very well when looking down on the boat.

I've been hunting aroung the web too see if I can see antthing that shows it, with no luck - but I've got some pictures at home that I'll scan (Frederick Edward Crick - ex-Lowestoft).

Lance

The belting as fitted scales out to 13" deep which is correct for the Helen Wycherley.

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 23, 2008, 08:20:31 pm: The hull of the 'Helen' now has had three coats of primer with much sanding in between and will now be allowed to harden off whilst I have a few days holiday. Next job will be the painting of the blue/white on the hull.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: barryfoote on August 24, 2008, 08:23:41 am: Mike,

I have been following this thread with great interest, but now feel I just have to comment. Absolutely awesome workmanship. Thanks for the lessons....

Barry
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 24, 2008, 09:25:08 am: Those 4 bow and stern thruster posts seem very small! :o

A beautiful piece of workmanship again gribeauval, did you have any problems
gluing the 2nd player of planking 20 the cotton cloth?
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: TugCowboy on August 24, 2008, 10:32:23 am: A stunning example of craftsmanship, you really set the benchmark with this one!
I look forward to watching it develop further as I can tell the finished article is going to be a true thing of beauty.

Alex
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on August 26, 2008, 08:23:53 pm: When are you going to do one like this Mike ? :angel:

http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/movie_files/mflv_rowingboat_ralph_lg.html
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 26, 2008, 09:13:12 pm: Quote from: Footski on August 24, 2008, 08:23:41 am
Mike,
I have been following this thread with great interest, but now feel I just have to comment. Absolutely awesome workmanship. Thanks for the lessons....
Barry

Thank you Barry, it's nice to be appreciated. 8)

Quote from: Martin - Forum Admin on August 24, 2008, 09:25:08 am
Those 4 bow and stern thruster posts seem very small! :o
A beautiful piece of workmanship again gribeauval, did you have any problems
gluing the 2nd player of planking 20 the cotton cloth?

Stupid boy Martin! RUFFLE HOLES!! ;)
No problem with the gluing as the cloth layer is done using pva and the same again for the top layer so no compatablility problems at all.

Quote from: DickyD on August 26, 2008, 08:23:53 pm
When are you going to do one like this Mike ? :angel:
http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/movie_files/mflv_rowingboat_ralph_lg.html

This is already at the experimental stage to sort out a realistic slow action for the rowers without them seeming to go beserk to make any headway!
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: tigertiger on August 26, 2008, 09:23:59 pm: Looking great as ever.

I am slowly getting more of an underastanding of the hull construction process.

Do you glue the planks on with PVA as well?
Is this the same for both layers. If so how long does it take to go off. So you can stick on the next plank (first layer)?
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 26, 2008, 10:06:32 pm: Quote from: tigertiger on August 26, 2008, 09:23:59 pm
Looking great as ever.

I am slowly getting more of an underastanding of the hull construction process.

Do you glue the planks on with PVA as well?
Is this the same for both layers. If so how long does it take to go off. So you can stick on the next plank (first layer)?

Yes Tiger I use pva for both layers. I use a 'fast grab' water resistant pva but I still have to wait about 2 hours per plank with the first layer before I can remove the clamps to fit the next plank. With the second layer I can pin the planks in place to the lower layer so things go much ,much faster.

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on August 29, 2008, 08:05:50 pm: With fingers and toes crossed I have just removed the masking from the hull after painting the blue section over the white. Again luck was on my side and no blue where it shouldn't be!! The belting will be painted red in a day or so when the blue has had time to harden off.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on August 29, 2008, 08:10:29 pm: Nice bit of painting Mike. Will have to get you to pop round and do mine when I'm ready. ;)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 02, 2008, 07:43:32 pm: I have fitted the rudder and completed/painted the steering box to match the hull. The belting has been painted in its characteristic red. Whilst all this paint has been hardening off I commenced the fitting of the control gear. The radio support plate has been glued in place and the rudder servo connected to the rudder linkages. The motors have been connected to their gearboxes (3:1) and installed via universals into the hull. They are wired for inwards rotation as on the full size boat. The speed controllers/mixer will be fitted next and I will then have a working model lifeboat hull. 8)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: LOGOPOLIS on September 02, 2008, 09:58:00 pm: love the work on the lifeboat, great finish to the hull.
maybe a daft question, but you bought the superstructure, why not the hull as well?
say all that work.

will look real nice in the water O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 02, 2008, 10:10:11 pm: Quote from: LOGOPOLIS on September 02, 2008, 09:58:00 pm
love the work on the lifeboat, great finish to the hull.
maybe a daft question, but you bought the superstructure, why not the hull as well?
say all that work.

will look real nice in the water O0

Because the original hull was double diagonally planked from wood and the original superstructure was made from metal. So why have all the trouble of sealing/painting the cabin to look like metal when grp is easier to paint!

Also I like building hulls in the correct manner. ;)

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: LOGOPOLIS on September 02, 2008, 11:56:52 pm: thanks for the update, is the Grp hull wrong, as i am interested in building one, if so where can i get plans

cheers O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 03, 2008, 10:45:18 am: Quote from: LOGOPOLIS on September 02, 2008, 11:56:52 pm
thanks for the update, is the Grp hull wrong, as i am interested in building one, if so where can i get plans

cheers O0

I don't know anything about the grp hull from Models by Design where I obtained the cabin moulding, as I haven't seen or measured one, sorry. :(
Do not know where you can get a 'set of plans' as such. It took me 6 months to piece the information together from many differing sources to be able to produce the hull plus the boat is still in existance in private hands. On advantage of Watsons from this period is that they mostly had hulls of the same basic shape.

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on September 03, 2008, 04:44:05 pm: The MBD hull isn't bad (I got one from whoever had the mould before Metcalf had them) - the only problem I had with it is that the deck is bonded to the hull, and in trying to get the deck-edge/belting to the correct profile, the deck separated so I had to join them back together.

In a complete reversal to gribeauval, I kept the hull & threw away the cabin moulding and build my own...

The hull did come with a basic drawing, but I sent off to the RNLI for a proper set, got GA, sections & hull lines.

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 03, 2008, 07:22:13 pm: Back on the subject.

I have started the bases for the bulwarks. I traced the exact shape of each of the sections of the deck edge and steamed, bent and pinned the base sections in place. When they had cooled and dried out the lower section of the bulwarks was glued in place. After allowing them to set the sections were trimmmed to size, glued and pinned onto the deck. To help maintain the relative position of the stern sections the first of the upper layers was glued in place.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on September 03, 2008, 07:24:56 pm: That's a nice piece of steaming. Looks very good and tidy. Well done

ken
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Peter on September 04, 2008, 06:29:26 pm: Mike,

Another fine build.

But, if I may be allowed one 'off topic' question, where is the 'New Mersey'?

Peter
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 04, 2008, 08:25:40 pm: Quote from: Peter on September 04, 2008, 06:29:26 pm
Mike,

Another fine build.

But, if I may be allowed one 'off topic' question, where is the 'New Mersey'?

Peter

Glad you like her Peter.

I havn't had any time to work on the monster lately, still sorting out the drive system .
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 05, 2008, 08:22:22 pm: The steaming/bending of the main sections of the bow and stern bulwarks has been completed and they are now ready for the addition of the inside framing over the next two days. The stanchion foundation supports that run between the bow and stern will also be fitted.
Whilst waiting for all this steamed timber to dry and the glue to set I have finished the fitting out of the inside of the hull. I now have a running, controllable (I hope!) lifeboat hull !! 'Sea trials' will take place when the rain stops long enough for me to find where the road ends and the lake begins!!
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on September 05, 2008, 08:26:14 pm: NO NO NO to neat and tidy Mike. >>:-(

Excellent job though. ;)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 05, 2008, 08:44:27 pm: Quote from: DickyD on September 05, 2008, 08:26:14 pm
NO NO NO to neat and tidy Mike. >>:-(

Excellent job though. ;)

It has to be neat and tidy Richard ! The whole lot has to fit under the cabin floor as this boat will have a detailed interior. 8)

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on September 05, 2008, 08:46:43 pm: Would expect nothing less Mike. O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 07, 2008, 11:23:09 pm: Been back to hacking bits of wood around today to make the bow section of the bulwarks. On the original boat (picture 1) this is a large lump of bronze with holes and rollers. Not having a foundry to cast one handy I made mine from wood. This means that if it turns out to be cr*p then I just cut some more wood!

The main sections were cut, drilled and the basic shape built up from strip (picture 2 and 3). When the glue had set the gaps were filled with epoxy putty to give the approximate shape (picture 4). The whole block was then attacked with files and grinders and after a couple of hours the result was picture 5. It was then primed and painted in dark bronze and positioned on the bows of the boat. The bow roller has yet to be added and then it can be fixed in place permanently (picture 6).
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 11, 2008, 07:40:04 pm: The bow block has now had its roller fitted and the whole unit fixed in place. All the inside framing and supports of the bow and stern bulwarks have been cut, bent and pinned in place to give a very rigid top edge to the boat. I have also made and fitted the side toe boards with their inset fairleads that will have the stanchions bolted on later in the build.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 15, 2008, 01:54:17 pm: I have ballasted the boat over the weekend and she had her first sailing this morning.

She sits well on the water and handles as expected. The wave formation at 1/2 to 2/3rd throttle looks good for scale speeds with plenty of resreve power. Now it's on with the deck fittings and transforming the white 'blob' that is the superstructure into a finished boat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rozQ9Zu_SNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rozQ9Zu_SNw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8liqLV1PQ5s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8liqLV1PQ5s)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: barryfoote on September 16, 2008, 10:12:06 am: Awesome. Without doubt one of my favourite threads...

Barry
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on September 16, 2008, 01:12:47 pm: Can I ask what size motors you've got in there?

Cheers

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 16, 2008, 04:23:29 pm: Quote from: furball on September 16, 2008, 01:12:47 pm
Can I ask what size motors you've got in there?

Cheers

Lance

545 motors with 2.9:1 gearboxes turning 45mm 3 blade brass props with 6v SLA batteries. 8)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: jules64 on September 16, 2008, 05:06:46 pm: Looking Good!

"545 motors with 2.9:1 gearboxes turning 45mm 3 blade brass props with 6v SLA batteries. "

May I ask what make and model the gearboxes are please?

Thanks
Jules64
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 16, 2008, 06:47:52 pm: Quote from: jules64 on September 16, 2008, 05:06:46 pm
Looking Good!

"545 motors with 2.9:1 gearboxes turning 45mm 3 blade brass props with 6v SLA batteries. "

May I ask what make and model the gearboxes are please?

Thanks
Jules64

The gearboxes were some old stock my local model shop had, they are made by Irvine and were for 500 size motors. Brass pinion for the motor and steel main gear. I think they were for early electric flight models.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: jules64 on September 16, 2008, 06:51:32 pm: Quote from: gribeauval on September 16, 2008, 06:47:52 pm
Quote from: jules64 on September 16, 2008, 05:06:46 pm
Looking Good!

"545 motors with 2.9:1 gearboxes turning 45mm 3 blade brass props with 6v SLA batteries. "

May I ask what make and model the gearboxes are please?

Thanks
Jules64

The gearboxes were some old stock my local model shop had, they are made by Irvine and were for 500 size motors. Brass pinion for the motor and steel main gear. I think they were for early electric flight models.

Many thanks
Jules64
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 17, 2008, 10:09:29 pm: I have now fitted the 'sampson posts' at the bow and stern and they are strong enough to lift the model complete with full ballast and lead acid batteries. :-\ The deck ventilators have been fitted and the first coat of grey on the deck done. I have also made and fitted the stanchion support plates on the raised bulwarks and started to fit the shortened stanchions. The display stand for the boat has also been made and the finish is based on the RNLI colours of the period. The side stanchions and the access hatch on the foredeck will be made and fitted soon.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: dan on September 17, 2008, 10:11:48 pm: it all looks fantastic O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: DickyD on September 18, 2008, 10:51:32 am: Looking really nice Mike O0
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: MCAT on September 18, 2008, 01:35:35 pm: gribeauval you are a true Master. great stuff watching the build one of the best threads going . and I learn a bit more each time.

and the good thing being on hear they are available for reference as and when required .
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: amdaylight on September 18, 2008, 03:04:08 pm: You are doing a great job. O0 One question, what are the holes in the keel for? I notice that there are some both bow and stern.

Andre
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: nhp651 on September 18, 2008, 06:17:38 pm: they are called Ruffle holes, and were used to secure and haul the boat up slipways with. the stern holes for hauling up, and the bow holes had chains passed through with slip releases that were hammered out when the boat was bing launched.
hope this helps. neil.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: amdaylight on September 18, 2008, 06:43:28 pm: OK I understand now, instead of being tied to a dock and ready to go, they were kept in a boat house and slid into the water as needed. Is this correct? Why was it done this way?

Andre
in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on September 19, 2008, 08:59:01 am: Lots of places there just isn't room to keep the boat afloat, if there's a rocky coast for example.

e.g. St. Davids. http://stdavids-rnli.org.uk/rnli3%20station.htm (http://stdavids-rnli.org.uk/rnli3%20station.htm)

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: nhp651 on September 19, 2008, 08:59:24 am: Hi Andre,
There is a very long history involved in the RNLI dating back to the 1820's and far to involved to go into infurum.
However, the main crux of the matter is that the history places many boats on the sea shore, and there were two basic types of launch in the early years (not counting those which had to be kept afloat in a harbour for topographical reasons) and these were:

1) the carriage launched boats, where boats were kept on a carriage and drawn to the gently shelving beaches and tide which had receeded too far out at low tide.These carriages were drawn by *(usually) horses ( and later motorised tractors) and are still used at stations such as Lytham St Annes,Lancashire, Wells Next the Sea,Norfolk

2) the slipway launched boats where the topography and geography and state of tides allowed the Quick launch into seas at any state of the tide.However although there are still a number of stations which still operate slip launch ( Cromer in Norfolk and Roa Island, Peel, Walney, and Douglas Isle of man just to name a few, more and more boats in the modern RNLI are now being kept afloat.

However, all those carriage and slip launched boats needed somethiong within the hull which would allow them to be able to be dragged either back onto the carriage or up the slipway after recovery and then to be tethered either to the carriage or on the slip, and that is why the boats had ruffle holes.

As for being kept afloat, at some stages of a storm with on shore winds driving into a harbour it was at times quite immpossible to "launch" a lifeboat, especially either a pulling/sailing boat ( without engines) or the early single screw motor lifeboat that had very little power, ant this could be trecherous, as shown in 1953 wein the Arbroath Lifeboat ( a twin screw Liverpool class) was capsized at the harbour entrance with the loss of 6 of her seven crew, and so the slip launch gave that extra momentum for the boat to gain sea way before she could be overwhelmed by mountainous seas.Harbour entrances are notorious, in foul weather, to negotiate.

That is not to say that the more modern boats don't have similar addition, as the new Tamar class, the Mersey and the Tyne class all have a type generic to their own hulls, but not quite as pronounced.
Hope that helps.

If you want to know more about lifeboat design, I would suggest you go to your local library and borrow two books which have a much greater knowledge than I could ever have, and they are:

1) Lifeboat Design and Development by Eric Fry, and
2) RNLI Motor Lifeboats, A centuary of RNLI Motor Lifeboats by Nicholas Leach

Both superb books and well worth a read.

cheers,neil. O0
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Post by: Roger in France on September 19, 2008, 07:30:32 pm: Neil has provided an excellent answer and recommended some good books.

I would like to add one more book which really brings the history of a lifeboat into its full glory. The book is very well illustrated with many pictures, drawings and maps.

"On a Broad Reach: the history of the St Anne's-on-the-Sea Lifeboat Station 1881 -1925" by G I & J E Mayes. £12:50
ISBN 1-902953-01-0. This book may only be available directly from the small specialist publisher, try Email: bmccall@globalnet.co.uk

Roger in France.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: amdaylight on September 19, 2008, 07:41:59 pm: Lance, Niel and Rodger,

Thanks for the information, O0 it explained how they were launched. I went on to U-tube and there were a few videos of both the carriage and the slip way launch. The slip way launch in a storm would have been a ride to make your local amusement park green with envy. I will try and get the two books that you mentioned Neil but in the great pacific north west (Portland Oregon) I am not sure that they will have them on their shelves. But worth a shot any way.

I understand about a river mouth in a storm, here in Oregon we have the Columbia Bar at the mouth of the Columbia River. It is reported to be one of the worst river bars any where in the world for rough water and we loose one or two fishing boats a year there. The US Coast Gard has their rough water training school for small boats there. I have seen some of the videos of them training and some day I would like to go along just for the ride.

Thanks again for the responses,
Andre :)
In Portland Oregon
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 19, 2008, 08:23:25 pm: Getting back onto the subject of the build, I have made and fitted the anchor support arm that sits on the starboard side of the boat. This along with the hull protection blocks has now been fastened in place and are ready for filling/ painting. The anchor is a white metal casting that I have slimmed down and 'improved' in shape. This will be held in place on the arm with a release pin through the holes in the arm. The end shackle and anchor chain will be fitted later.
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Post by: nhp651 on September 19, 2008, 08:23:50 pm: ANDRE, These two books regularly come up on ebay, and usually at a reasonable price, so keep your eye out for them.
Roger ,thanks for that one, about the L.St.A book. coming from the Fylde coast, I have not seen that one so will keep my eye open for that one to. cheers,neil. O0
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Post by: gribeauval on September 22, 2008, 08:24:07 pm: I have now fited all the stanchions onto the toeboards and they now need painting light grey before the chains are fitted in place. The two either side of the anchor have had their modifications done to allow the chains to avoid the anchor. The distinctive red, cloth covered Watson bow fender has also been made and fitted in place.
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Post by: gribeauval on September 25, 2008, 04:03:33 pm: After the sucessful 'sea trials' of last week the boat has been 'accepted into the fleet' by the addition of her name on the bows and her station on the stern. The covers for the outboard end of the scuppers have been made and fitted in place. The anchor now rests in place on its mountings with the anchor chain fastened to the stanchions to keep it out of the way and its cable entering the hawse hole. The stanchons have also had all their chains fitted. The hatch and minor deck fittings are under construction and the grab ropes will soon be fitted to the outside of the hull. Next major build section will be to take the dremel to the lump of grp to start turning it into the superstructure.
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Post by: DickyD on September 25, 2008, 04:16:18 pm: Wonderful looking craft Mike. O0
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Post by: dreadnought72 on September 25, 2008, 04:42:02 pm: This is an absolute treat. A beautiful boat.

Andy
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Post by: SteamboatPhil on September 26, 2008, 01:46:23 pm: I have been following this thread from the start, and I must say you are doing a fantastic job.
Phil
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Post by: TugCowboy on September 26, 2008, 02:11:46 pm: Truly stunning, Even though I'm far more into more modern boats, such craftmanship as is being shown by you has kept me riveted to this thread throughout.

Wonderful work.

Alex
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Post by: gribeauval on October 02, 2008, 08:06:08 pm: Since the last update I have fitted the grab ropes along each side of the hull. These are the fourth set I fitted as I was not satisfied with the 'look' or 'hang' of the other three attempts.

Having regard to "measure twice, cut once" I have "measured several times before plucking up the courage to cut once" and taken the Dremel cutting disc to the grp lump that has been masquerading as the superstructure of the Watsom. All the windows and the doors have been roughed out, the rear wall of the cabin section (which was curved to enable moulding) was completly removed and a new section of the correct shape fitted as well as filling the 'sunken' area on the rear superstructure to give the correct shape. Now the boat is beginning to look as it should and the building of the interior of the cabin can begin.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on October 03, 2008, 04:12:45 pm: Quick question... What period are you building the boat for, i.e. what colour are you painting the superstructure?

Cheers

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on October 03, 2008, 04:15:53 pm: By the way - just found these...

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Parachinar (Originally 'The Helen Wycherley)" for sale

http://onwater.llamadigital.co.uk/used_boats.php?bid=116#images (http://onwater.llamadigital.co.uk/used_boats.php?bid=116#images)

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 03, 2008, 06:42:02 pm: Quote from: furball on October 03, 2008, 04:12:45 pm
Quick question... What period are you building the boat for, i.e. what colour are you painting the superstructure?
Cheers
Lance

She will be finished with the light grey superstructure as she was during her sevice at Whitehills 1961-69.

Quote from: furball on October 03, 2008, 04:15:53 pm
By the way - just found these...
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Parachinar (Originally 'The Helen Wycherley)" for sale
http://onwater.llamadigital.co.uk/used_boats.php?bid=116#images (http://onwater.llamadigital.co.uk/used_boats.php?bid=116#images)
Lance

I have these pictures already Lance, thanks anyway. ;)

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: furball on October 03, 2008, 09:10:49 pm: Cheers

Lance
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 06, 2008, 09:04:05 pm: I have made a start on fitting out the superstructure. The front and rear bulkheads have beeen cut and fitted in place. The wheel was made by taking a 2" model cart wheeel, removing every other spoke to leave the six needed, sanding the rim to size ( held in a spinning drill chuck), painted and whipped then fitted onto its turned stand. The throttles were also made and mounted on their stand. The grid that the helmsman stands on was also made and glued to the floor section followed by the addition of the controls. The last two pictures show the floor temporarily held in place. This will be glued in place at a later stage when the fittings on the front and rear bulkheads have been made and fitted to allow better access than trying to work through the door openings. ::)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 09, 2008, 08:45:13 pm: I have now modified a 6" figure to use as the cox'n on the Helen. He is dressed in the early 1960's oilskins and lifejacket as seen in the picture on the front of the brochure for the 1961 official naming ceremony.

More holes have now been cut in the moulding. These have been opened out to size with tapered reamers to take the differing portholes/deadlights.
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Post by: gribeauval on October 13, 2008, 09:22:11 pm: Take a pair of solid brass curtain tie-back hooks plus a file plus a little time and you have the rear deck cleats for the strop that is used to haul the boat back up the slipway into the boathouse.
The doors for the wheelhouse have been made and fitted on their sliding tracks. The windows will be next on the agenda.
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Post by: gribeauval on October 16, 2008, 03:12:04 pm: I have spent the last few days covered in white styrene dust and broken/rejected bits of clear styrene but the result has been the window frames for the superstructure and the glazing itself to be fitted after painting. The handrail at the rear has also been fabricated and fitted in place. More smaller fittings to make and then the folding exhaust mast at the front.
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Post by: ronkh on October 16, 2008, 06:56:54 pm: gribeauval,

Have only just found this thread and I must say that it has got me hooked. The work you have produced is stunning to say the least.
I will make sure I carry on and follow it to the end.
Looking at your work has helped me to relax after a cr#ppy day. Thankyou.

Ron.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 16, 2008, 07:48:14 pm: Glad your enjoying the build Ron. ;)

I have now to replace the two outer windows in the front of the wheelhouse as I notice that I have rounded off the corners of the frames and on those two windows they should have sharp corners!!! :'(
Two steps forward and three back!!!!!

Mike
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Post by: gribeauval on October 22, 2008, 04:43:30 pm: More of the details done. First the window frames have been painted and the bolthead details added. The front glazing has been fitted along with the rotary screen wipers giving the Watson its distinctive early look. The small access hatch on the casing front has been fitted along with the large air intake also the bulwark at the rear of the casing has been fitted. Lastly the engine room hatch for the forward bulkhead inside the wheelhouse has been made ready to fit when the interior painting has been completed.
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Post by: gribeauval on October 25, 2008, 07:38:02 pm: The main hatch that gives access to the forward survivors cabin has now been built, the hatch hinged and is ready for fitting onto the fore deck. I have also made the tabernacle for the exhaust mast that fits on the front of the casing, The mast itself is also under construction and the section that it joins onto is ready for fitting on the casing front. When these are in position the rest of the details, support bars, wiring etc, will be fitted.
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Post by: ronkh on October 26, 2008, 07:20:56 pm: Still watching with great interest :-))

Ron.
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Post by: craftysod on October 27, 2008, 01:11:33 am: I agree Ron, this guy is a craftsman and attention to detail is superb,and gives people another way of looking at things(you can get a curtain hook to make this)
will keep watching this thread
WD Mike
Mark
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 27, 2008, 07:34:49 pm: I have now fitted the forward hatch onto the deck and the almost finished mast is temporarily in place whilst I sort out the locking devices etc. So I thought it was about time for a look at the boat as a whole and not just in detailed close-up, a sort of look at the tree not just see the leaf for a change!
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: kno3 on October 28, 2008, 11:48:49 pm: Just discovered this topic. The boat looks fantastic, congratulations!

I havea question too: what was the purpose of the channels in the hull, where the propellers are?
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: nhp651 on October 29, 2008, 12:21:11 am: protective tunnels to keep the propellors from being damaged if the lifeboat shoaled in shallow waters when on a rescue attempt. :-))
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 31, 2008, 03:57:50 pm: Saved me an expalination Neil!! ;)

The dials and hatches are now in the wheelhouse and in the next day or so the Cox'n and floor will be fitted along with the rest of the glazing.
The masts are now hinged,guards fitted and the radio aerials strung between them. These are thin, round elastic to maintain tension, as are the shrouds holding the masts upright. The rest of the vents on the front casing have been fitted, along with the two life rings on each side and the access steps onto the rear casing. The navigation lights have also been fitted and now require wiring to their power supply in the front casing. Next will be the capstan alongside the mast and the rope bins either side of the front casing.
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Post by: Roger in France on October 31, 2008, 04:07:13 pm: Looking very, very good Mike.

For your interest and the information of others, the round section, black elastic you have used is known as "sheering elastic". It is used in dressmaking for ruching fabrics. It also comes in white. It is excellent for the job you have identified and for other lines which need to be slightly tensioned to appear taut. Because it is elastic it will give a little and return to its original length if snagged or knocked.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 31, 2008, 04:28:54 pm: Quote from: Roger in France on October 31, 2008, 04:07:13 pm
Looking very, very good Mike.

For your interest and the information of others, the round section, black elastic you have used is known as "sheering elastic". It is used in dressmaking for ruching fabrics. It also comes in white. It is excellent for the job you have identified and for other lines which need to be slightly tensioned to appear taut. Because it is elastic it will give a little and return to its original length if snagged or knocked.

Roger in France.

Thanks Roger. It also comes in four different diameters, and I buy it by the reel !! I use it for most of my railings to prevent damage . If you use heat shrink tube and fishing swivels to join it to the stanchions it looks just like the swaged joints that are used on modern lifeboats.

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: nhp651 on October 31, 2008, 05:28:47 pm: hey, mike, wot you upto beating me to the post with those plans for the 41 footer on ebay. I was watching them all week and then fell asleep about an hour befor the auction ended and missed the b****y things. ceste la vie.
Are they nice? <:( <:(
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on October 31, 2008, 07:23:59 pm: Quote from: nhp651 on October 31, 2008, 05:28:47 pm
hey, mike, wot you upto beating me to the post with those plans for the 41 footer on ebay. I was watching them all week and then fell asleep about an hour befor the auction ended and missed the b****y things. ceste la vie.
Are they nice? <:( <:(

I was watching them from day one and I decided I was having them at any price!! I will e-mail you about them when I get them! 8) 8) 8)

Mike
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: nhp651 on October 31, 2008, 10:19:23 pm: cheers, mike. :-))
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on November 04, 2008, 04:54:13 pm: Another step nearer completion. The rope bins on either side of the forward casing have been made and fitted along with the capstan barrel alongside the mast. Now it's on with sorting out the wiring for the navigation lights inside the casing.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on November 06, 2008, 03:22:02 pm: Another step closer to finishing ! 8)

The navigation lights have now been wired up to the small 9v battery in the rear casing with 470 ohm resistors in each of the positive lines and the on/off switch under the small hatch. The Wheelhouse has been finished with the adition of the working (1/2" diameter) compass on the top of the steering gear. Coils of rope have been added to each of the rope bins to improve their 'look'. Also you can see that the travelling case has also been assembled and after a few more detail items she will be ready to ship back to Whitehills. ;)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: craftysod on November 06, 2008, 03:56:51 pm: Looks lovely Mike,
If you didnt live so far away,would send my seaport up for a conversion,saw yours and the others,cant wait to rip it apart.
Mark
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on November 12, 2008, 02:10:48 pm: Well the rain stopped, the wind died down and the sun came out this morning so I took the Helen down to the lake and she had her last trials before being sent to join her sister at Whitehills in the station that was built to hold them when they were on active service.

This is a short clip of her last sail today: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XV1vJ9Klu5I (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XV1vJ9Klu5I)
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Post by: Roger in France on November 12, 2008, 02:36:03 pm: Well done, Mike. She looks great, you must be both pleased and satisfied.

I am sure she will grace the display and, hopefully, encourage a few more donations.

Roger in France
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 12, 2008, 02:55:31 pm: What a lovely model! :-)
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Post by: DickyD on November 12, 2008, 06:03:20 pm: Fabulous model as usual Mike. :-))
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Post by: nhp651 on November 12, 2008, 07:02:31 pm: superb, Mike. looks really lovely. :-))
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Post by: Dan.Lord on November 12, 2008, 07:15:05 pm: What a great build !! you've made a truly excellent job of her. A very well done indeed. Dan.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on November 12, 2008, 07:41:12 pm: Thanks for the comments gents. :embarrassed:

Look out for the next boat on the agenda, another Watson but this time a 45ft 6in boat. 8)
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: chingdevil on November 12, 2008, 08:19:12 pm: Fantastic model Mike, I look forward to your next build. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Brian
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Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 12, 2008, 09:29:09 pm: I have followed this build right from the start, and I must say you really have done a fantastic job, I was gobsmaked watching the hull construction, that really was a great job, and now its finished----wow no words to descride, and the lads have already said the rest.
You are to be congratulated, I look forward to the next :-)) :-))
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Post by: Number 6 on March 16, 2011, 12:00:36 pm: She looks absolutely great, top marks. Can't think of anything more to say than already has been said, Dave. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: Spook on July 08, 2011, 01:26:15 pm: Lovely - nice detailing :-))
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Post by: baloo on August 29, 2011, 01:29:37 pm: What a lovely image of an old lifeboat,i dont know about anybody else,but i think the older the lifeboat the more character it has.Can you imagine a severn or tamar in blue/white & grey?.
baloo
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: typhoon on June 01, 2014, 10:00:14 pm: Quote from: gribeauval on October 22, 2008, 04:43:30 pm
More of the details done. First the window frames have been painted and the bolthead details added. The front glazing has been fitted along with the rotary screen wipers giving the Watson its distinctive early look. The small access hatch on the casing front has been fitted along with the large air intake also the bulwark at the rear of the casing has been fitted. Lastly the engine room hatch for the forward bulkhead inside the wheelhouse has been made ready to fit when the interior painting has been completed.

Hi . nice build / craftmanship. very interested what you used for the boltheads if you dont mind me asking.?
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on June 02, 2014, 11:11:04 am: Quote from: typhoon on June 01, 2014, 10:00:14 pm
Hi . nice build / craftmanship. very interested what you used for the boltheads if you dont mind me asking.?

Glad you like her, she was a pleasure to build.

The bolts are 2mm, silver/clear, hexagonal, stick on diamante jewels that ladies glue on their fingernails. I can either leave them as is for stainless steel bolts or paint them.

I buy them on ebay for a couple of pounds for 2000.
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Post by: Neil on June 02, 2014, 12:12:39 pm: or you can buy this stuff and cut to bolt head length.....keep ya going for a lifeboat or two, lol

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xhexagonal+plastic+rod&_nkw=hexagonal+plastic+rod&_sacat=0&_from=R40
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: typhoon on June 02, 2014, 01:34:04 pm: thanks fellas. now at long last i can add some bolt heads to my rother it just doesnt look right without em. :-))
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Post by: lankyandy on July 07, 2014, 02:12:33 pm: that really is an awesome model. great effort
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Post by: Coxn John on November 20, 2014, 11:35:29 am: Very impressive work, enjoyed reading this :-))
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Mike Mumford on January 03, 2015, 09:51:29 pm: I was very impressed in Scale Model Lifeboat, well done the series of photographs should inspired more model Lifeboats.
Perhaps schools and colleges may see your finished work? Recording in great detail is a good thing.
We owe it to the younger generations to educate and interest them, so they will be more productive in their lives too.
I have taught engineering apprentices all my working life, I know the value and satisfaction of creating objects of all kinds.
To give a spark an idea in ones life is a gift, we can and should all share, society may have lost its direction, we have a duty of care, so use it.

Moderated - No advertising please.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Delboy1958 on September 13, 2016, 06:40:39 pm: Hi Gribeauval
Great model can you please tell me what the blue paint is you
have used for the hull.
I am about to start an ALR kit and am finding it hard to find out
the correct Blue to use.

Thanks

Derek
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: gribeauval on September 13, 2016, 08:10:50 pm: Quote from: Delboy1958 on September 13, 2016, 06:40:39 pm
Hi Gribeauval
Great model can you please tell me what the blue paint is you
have used for the hull.
I am about to start an ALR kit and am finding it hard to find out
the correct Blue to use.

Thanks

Derek

Johnsons paint, non drip gloss, Oxford blue.
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Delboy1958 on September 14, 2016, 08:09:47 am: Thanks for that

Derek
Title: Re: RNLB Helen Wycherley
Post by: Klunk on December 30, 2017, 04:14:07 pm: And i let my one go for 50 quid!
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Post by: Damien Mac on April 06, 2024, 09:17:46 pm: Hey just noticed this at Whitby the other day.. maybe of interest.Having tried to get e peek inside but nobody about.