Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: GaryM on June 26, 2008, 11:12:35 pm
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Hi
I must have too much time on my hands. As a Land Lubber, I was wondering; when does a boat become a ship?
I know that there's a Lifeboat, Rowing Boat and a Submarine is called a boat.
Are vessels in 'real' life classed as ships and all models are refereed to as boats?
regards
Gary :)
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As I see it, large vessels that operate in salt water are called ships. As a comparision a tanker is reffered as a ship except the ones that run the Great Lakes and they are called lakers. Towboats on the rivers are just called motor vessels and the same goes for some lakers.
I know a ship is classified a ship according to tonnage, but I don't know at what tonnage it changes from being a yacht, trawler, etc. Maybe they're called ships because they move bulk commodities like a cruise ship carries tourists and a container ship carries truck containers.
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Can of worms here, the National Maritime Muesum Greenwich defines a ship as capable of sustaining life for more than 7 days (which would make Captain Bligh's rowing boat a ship) other definitions include a ship having its propellers above keel line, where as a boat has the shaft and props hanging bellow (but then you have river gun boats with props in tunnels)
A ship heels outwards when turning at speed, and a boat heels inwards.......
So in answwer to your question--------no idea, but I'm sure someone out there knows
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A ship is defined thus: " A three masted vessel, fully square rigged on all masts" Anything else is NOT a ship!!! Fact!!!!
Well at least it was in the old days before these mastless beasts came on the scene :-\
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And how about the difference between a Bateau, a Pacquebot and a Navire? :)
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The one I heard was you can carry a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat...... not sure if that helps! ::)
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Not really old chap :-\
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Beat me to it Dicky ;)
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/blue-marlin-pic1.jpg)
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The RN can do it too....
Isn't it amazing the way they managed to squeeze it through the hole in the back.... ::)
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Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
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Isn't that a ship on SHIP?!
NO.....IT'S NOT GOT THREE SQUARE RIGGED MASTS :D :D
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Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
But you said boats go on ships. :-\
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Slightly off track. One that got it wrong ::)
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/disaster2006_mightyserv_4.gif)
Mighty Servant 3 submerged to offload an oil rig in Angola
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/disaster2006_mightyserv_5.gif)
Whoops!
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/disaster2006_mightyserv_6.gif)
Is it supposed to go that far down???
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/disaster2006_mightyserv_1.gif)
Up Periscope?!
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Welll that solved the problem, thats neither a ship or a boat, its a submarine !!!!!!
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I went looking for this recently becuase I didn't know whether a PCF was a ship or a boat.
Wikipedia and other sources suggest that a "ship" can have a number of definitions:
setting aside the "boat fits in a ship" definition, there was a couple of references to a ship having an LOA of greater than 50 ft and/or a width of greater than 25ft
Seemingly Lloyds referred to a "ship" when it's displacement was greater than 500 tons ( imperial ). Not sure if this is still the case.
However, I couldn't find a definate source - it seems the same as "Hill" and "mountain". Webers defines a Mountain as "Larger than a hill" and a hill as "smaller than a mountain".
Steve
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Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
But you said boats go on ships. :-\
Dicky, You can put a boat on a ship but you cannot put a ship on a boat. A picture of a ship on a ship doesn't change that.
Unless of course you have a picture of a ship on a boat!!
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Ok Dicky.....I absolutely have to know! What is the story behind that Dockwise vessel sinking?
Inquiring minds want to know. Well, at least one inquiring mind, anyway......
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More info on the mighty Servant 3 sinking....
http://www.smit.com/sitefactor/page.asp?pageid=1095
http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_mightyserve3.html
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Thanks Guys, I think. :) :D
Gary
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Here's a photo I took in Fort Lauderdale of boats (plural) on a ship. They are probably millionaires' toys being taken out to the Caribbean or somewhere similar.
Peter.
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Thanks Martin! By the way, have you ever considered a poll as to how many members were, or are currently, sea dogs?
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Accordding to the International rules anything that floats is termed a vessel not a ship. A ship is a vessel that is fully square rigged on three or more masts, people tend to call large vessels as ships through ignorance, a boat often refers to small vessels often used as an auxiliary to a larger vessel or similar small boats, lifeboats are termed as such as they were originally designed similar to a ships lifeboat boat but were somewhat improved upon. So large vessel's are referred to Motor Vessels, Steam Vessels, Paddle Steamers and etc.
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"Here's a photo I took in Fort Lauderdale of boats (plural) on a ship. They are probably millionaires' toys being taken out to the Caribbean or somewhere similar.
Peter."
I thinks there's one or two of mine on there Peter! ;)
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I thought as much, Martin. Oh to be rich and famous {-)
Peter.