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Title: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 01, 2008, 11:25:16 AM
Hi Folks,

I'm looking for info on the above class of tugs for a new build.

I believe there was a free plan with Marine modelling Int. Oct 98, can anyone tell me if there was an article with this including pics & info (any chance of a copy).

I'm aware that Sirmar do a kit - wrong scale for what I want. Traplets do a plan which I will buy if I can get enough back up info - cant even find her displacement at the moment !!

Thanks in advance for your efforts  O0

regards
longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: KEMO on July 01, 2008, 06:02:39 PM
Hiya,
      from 'Fifty years of Naval Tugs' by Bill Hannan

      Length 61' 6"  Beam 17' 6"  Draught 7' 6"  GRT 37.88   Speed 10 knots

      Bollard pull 6.5 tons.

      Waverley Models does two size hulls 1:32 and 1:16.

Keith.
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Glyn on July 02, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
I think I might just have that particular issue. I'll have a look tonight and if I do have it, I'll scan in the accompanying article for you and forward it to you.
Regards,
Glyn :)
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 02, 2008, 10:35:33 AM

  For back issue, have a look at - http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model__Boats.html (http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model__Boats.html)
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Glyn on July 03, 2008, 07:36:18 AM
Hi Longshanks!

I found the magazine and will e-mail you the scanned article that accompanied the plan, if you're still interested.

Regards, Glyn :)
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 03, 2008, 09:07:37 AM
Hi Glyn,

That would be great, still having trouble finding any info  O0
Many thanks for your assistance

Hi Martin,
Thanks for that site. Going to be useful for further projects - handy that they list whats in each mag.

Hi Kemo,
Cheers for that info, unfortunately GRT is a measure of volume.

Regards to all

Longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 03, 2008, 12:42:39 PM
Longshanks,
If I can be of any assistance just ask.
The RMAS Barbara was the first vessel I was Chief Engineer on, and spent nearly 2 yrs on her sister shop "RMAS Brenda"

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 03, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
Hi Bob,

Thanks for the offer - early days yet, wouldn't know what to ask. I've found a plan and overall dimensions and thats it. Glyn is in the process of emailing me a copy of the article in MM and hopefully that will give me some more info. I don't even know the displacement of the class, relevant because of the scale I want to build at.

I now know of two more names, I only new of the Agnes before, this is also the only photo I've been able to find (Renamed Naja, since scrapped)

Thanks again, I may well be in touch in the future  O0

Cheers
Longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 03, 2008, 11:24:24 PM
Longshanks,
There were:

Agatha
Agnes
Alice
Audrey
Barbara
Betty
Brenda
Bridget

Like any small tug the fittings werent kept as built but each one had minor differences.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: dms toucan on July 04, 2008, 12:33:48 AM
Hi
Seen in Birkenhead docks
Martin
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 04, 2008, 09:57:46 AM
Thanks Guys,

You are STARS - keep it coming!  O0

What did we do in the days before 'Model Boat Mayhem' ?

Off to France today for a week - don't do anything I wouldn't while I'm away  ;)

Thanks again

Longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 04, 2008, 10:58:12 PM
Plans on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Plan-Girl-Class-Tug-RCing-Submarines-I-401-V11c_W0QQitemZ150266711934QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150266711934&_trkparms=39%3A1|65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 12, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
Thanks Bob,

A mate managed to get them while I was away.

The plans coming together now - one vital bit of information I need is the tugs displacement, needed to see if I can scale it down!

Thanks again to one and all

Regards
longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 12, 2008, 09:56:08 PM
No idea of Displacement as small harbour craft arent registered so not often used.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: farrow on July 23, 2008, 09:54:55 PM
Hi Longshanks.
Understand you want the GRT for the class well it is 38tons GRT. Am also attaching a pic of Betty showing her forward fendering arrangements, the pin fenders shown were fitted for doing the mud lighters, for normal work they would have fitted apple rings instead.
David
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: longshanks on July 23, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
Hi Dave,

Nice pic, Thanks for that  O0

longshanks
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: catengineman on July 23, 2008, 11:04:38 PM
Longshanks,
There were:

Agatha
Agnes
Alice
Audrey
Barbara
Betty
Brenda
Bridget

Like any small tug the fittings werent kept as built but each one had minor differences.

Bob

Hi Shipmate 60, you mention Agnes, would that be "Agnes Najar" by any slim chance?
Formely owned by Allan Bennett & Sons Medway

R,
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 23, 2008, 11:29:54 PM
The skipper on "Betty" is Cliff Wildish, he was on her when I was the Engineer on her.
I dont know the "Agnes Najar" The Admiralty Tugs had single names.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: catengineman on July 23, 2008, 11:56:07 PM
Looking at the pictures I could almost say that Agnes Najar was the same tug
For ease I will use Najar as the vessel I am talking of and she had an 8 cyl Lister Blackstone main engine, lighting was if I remember corectly from 24 volt battery supply and quadrant steering service.
Forgive me if I have some bits wrong it was a long time ago when I was engineer aboard her on the Thames and Medway rivers.

R,
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 24, 2008, 12:06:40 AM
The "girls" had a Lister Blackstone main engine, but cant remember now if it was a 6 or 8 cylinder.
The lighting and power though was supplied by 4 cyl Generator (she had 2 fitted, the port Gen also ran the air compressor on a dog clutch) and was 220 volts DC,
Steering was ElectroHydraulic.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: catengineman on July 24, 2008, 12:20:55 AM
As I said I may have got a few bit wrong but I am sure it was an 8 cyl smokie black, I had to jump from tug to tug in those days one day on here one day on there and the other tugs were Rana, Mamba, Billy Bennet. so forgive me if my mind is not as sharp as it was.

R,
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: Shipmate60 on July 24, 2008, 12:30:41 AM
Nor mine mate it was 30 yrs ago.

Bob
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: tugmad on July 24, 2008, 07:46:52 AM
  the Agnes/Katra/Naja.
450 HP Lister Blackstone fitted with an MS 100 napia blower driving a 7ft prop through a 3-1 reduction gearbox,
2x 4cyl freedom range lister aux  engines driving 220 volt DC generators, the Stbd one had the main air compressor and G S Pump she also had a belt driven comp from the M E flywheel

She was purchased from the Admiralty by J P Knight London Ltd and re named Katra.

I was engineer on her when we purchased her fully fueled and stored from Portland Navy base, we went down on the wednesday to see if we could get her under way and could have bought her home straight away she was in such good condition,the only thing i had to do was to repack the gearbox output shaft gland (they supplied the packing). When we left portland we ran round to Otterham creek in the Medway and the towed an offshore barge  one of I T Ls I think loaded with plant etc round to Folkstone and handed it over to The Tug ARDNIEL I remember the mate of her asking where we had come from and he could not believe we had towed this ruddy great barge round the coast, I always found her to be a great little tug with a good pulling power and a lot of heart.  ( I always thought she pulled better than the KENT>) :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: farrow on July 24, 2008, 09:36:34 AM
They were great tugs and powerful for thier size, some would say too powerful. A thier fault was when they had full power on and a heavy pull, the tow deck would come awash and until they had movement through the water they would skate about, that was why the improved girls had more beam and tonnage. I remember when I was on the Barbara at Chatham (a long time ago), we were put on the loaded RFA Blue Rover as the bow tug. We pulled her out off the lock right through basin 32 and into 1 basin no bother. The Felicity was the stern tug and teo small single tractors (Lesley & Kathleen) stood by the shoulders to assist line her up for the basin entrances and the dog Mastiff stood by as standby tug and took no part in the tow.
David
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: farrow on July 24, 2008, 09:43:48 AM
Hi Longshanks,
Try "www.riverman.gotdns.com/gallery/index.php" the site has quite a few of the old Chatham tugs plus all three girls. The photos attached are I believed after the MoD sold them on.
David
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: catengineman on July 24, 2008, 07:20:24 PM
Well as I said my mind is err what did I say....?

http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/Seatribe/ProjectSeatribe_3.html

A link to the very tug I spoke of sadly Bennetts is no more and I have no idea where all the staff went or the vessels

R,
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: tugmad on July 24, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
really sad to see her in such a state
Title: Re: Royal navy 'Girl' class tugs
Post by: catengineman on July 24, 2008, 07:49:09 PM
True a sad state, but if memory is right I had a hard time aboard during winter! the tug was mored until it was wanted (or the only one available) then it was damp cold smelly and only crewed by two to drag four barges work was (I wont be allowed to say) hard.

Taught me loads though  {-)

R,