Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: portside II on September 10, 2008, 12:44:52 pm
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so we are still here after the thing going on in Switzerland ,so far
anyone spotted any black holes recently :D
daz
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Only the one in my wallet!
Simon {-)
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I don't think there was any danger of that today - typical media hype. They have only managed to get the beam to go round the tunnel so far. They need two beams going in opposite directions before there can be any collision - so I understand ::)
I read something yesterday that they wouldn't be attempting that for some time - so we are safe for a bit longer!
Barrie
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Couldn't this money be used for something useful, like helping old people with their huge fuel bills for heating?
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Couldn't this money be used for something useful, like helping old people with their huge fuel bills for heating?
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Give it a chance - once scientists can scale down the CERN equipment to fit into the average fireplace, everyone can warm up by being hit with lead protons travelling at 99% the speed-of-light. :D
Andy
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I'm a big local BBC radio fan, the presenter said to a guest:
'What are the chances of the whole thing going wrong and the machine bringing on the end of the world?'
'Oh, very small. Less than 50 million to one.'
(co presenter.) 1/50 Million?!?!?! I was hoping for better odds than that. The odds of winning the lottery are 1/75 million!"
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What even more worrying is, I'm sure I was a Window Vista on a control screen! :o
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And what's the use of sending all these fantastically expensive probes into space? What are they hoping to find; the first model boating lake on Mars? We in the UK could do with some of that dosh for new hospitals, jobs, houses, new railways, etc, etc...
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why not invest all the money into developing things like NUCLEAR ENERGY, build MORE NUCLEAR POWER STATIONS, and use the cooling circuits to heat water to heat new tower blocks and homes.
(just like in sweden)
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I think one of the objectives of the Large Hadron Collider is to investigate the possiblity of nuclear fusion and cold fusion....
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I've been after a big bang for years, but can't find a BIG bird to have one with........probably to old, decrepit and passed it to notice anyway these days if one did happen! :D :o ::) ;D
Right, we done the big bang joke now.... :)
( pleased to see we're so reserved! )
We won't try and better the gag thank you.
Martin O0
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why not invest all the money into developing things like NUCLEAR ENERGY, build MORE NUCLEAR POWER STATIONS, and use the cooling circuits to heat water to heat new tower blocks and homes.
(just like in sweden)
Not likely - we need ORIGINAL thinking.
Malc
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I think one of the objectives of the Large Hadron Collider is to investigate the possiblity of nuclear fusion and cold fusion....
What he said....
Rich
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Dear All,
Just to get this into perspective, the CERN cost £3B, BUT, the 2012 Olympics are going to cost the UK £10B!!! (+). CERN was funded Internationally, 2012 Olympics by all us mugs here in GB! >>:-( :embarrassed:
At least science can advance with CERN for 15 to 20 years, but what is left after two weeks of playing games!??? The accommodation can be sold at reasonable prices to the public (funny joke!), but the rest of it will most likely be 'dome scenario' all over again? It is an obscene waste of public funds - oh, and of course they raided our Lottery to get a fair chunk of the £12B.
Regards, Bernard
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Too true Bernard.
The Hadron collider is not actually going to have anything fired through it for another 18 months, the chance of us being swallowed up by a huge black hole is 1 in 55 million, and even then it will take 6 months for it to engulf the earth.
Plenty of time left then to finish those modelling projects....
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Too true Bernard.
The Hadron collider is not actually going to have anything fired through it for another 18 months, the chance of us being swallowed up by a huge black hole is 1 in 55 million, and even then it will take 6 months for it to engulf the earth.
Plenty of time left then to finish those modelling projects....
Oh well 18 months to try and get a model finished.. also bit worrying Black hole 1 in 55 million , I believe winning the lottery 1 in 75 million !!
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Yup, never mind, we'll either find out whats on the other side of a black hole, or explode, or disintigrate.
Doesn't really matter, it won't bother us, we'll all be dead ::)
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Some bright spark on the radio said "perhaps if we create a small black hole...we could use it to dump our nuclear waste into"... now there's a thought!
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I'm glad there's no cause for conCERN. I presume that the nuclear fusion-powered ship won't sail until they can find a suitable boson.
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I'm glad there's no cause for conCERN.
Get out, now ;)
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Hi Andy
If you still have that 1/4" flexi , can you bring it with you on Sunday. Cheers
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the same bright spark who said create a little black hole to dump nuclear waste in may want to have a re think
how will we hold a black hole !
Whatever it comes into contact with will be drawn in and the density of the hole would be far to heavy to transport even if you could find something to hold it ,
it would probably turn its self inside out and devour the planet before turning on the rest of the universe .
I think .
daz
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Is this site BlackHole Proof !!
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Dont think so
Its not even Martin proof! ;D {-)
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Now that looks more like a black ole not a hole {-)
daz
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Are there different sizes of black hole? If so, pressumably you could fill an infintesimally (spelling police needed here) small one easier than one the size of a collapsed star. A collapsed star is apparently capable of swallowing worlds so would one the size of an atom be capable of swallowing say... a Morris minor or even a Ford Cortina. I know little of such things and the mind bending thought required to understand and visulise such abstracts is apparently the realm of the Boffins at CERN. Anyone got an e-mail address so we could find out... could be you could even fit a house in one.......... or maybe Westminster!!
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Hmm thats a thought ,right join the que O0
daz
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Supposedly there is 'black hole' inside every atom, as 99.999999999999 etc percent of an atom is nothing at all.
If current thoeries are correct, the atom is encapsulated in a shell, and contains 'black hole' within it, cracking this shell by firing two atoms at each other at 4 quadzillion miles an hour could potentially release said 'black hole', which would grow in size as it encapsulated stuff, until it turns everything inside out. Or whatever it does.
Nevertheless, it is an area of science where we just have to shrug our shoulders and say "ermm... God probably did it..."
Andy O0 (who is currently doing atomic theory at school as part of A Level)
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So we can blame you if the :D hits the fan.. O0
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Cartoon in the Daily Express today suggested firing Brown and Darling at each other. O0
Can I press the button. :)
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I know its hard to see past the fundamentals of this science experiment but i have been told on good authority that alot of extremely usefull technologies have been developed in this facility, off the back of they're main goals. The one which springs to mind is some kind of scan you get at hospital. Its all too easy to say this is a waste of money but alot of good things.
as a foot note i did hear this on the news this evening and the same guy tried to say it was this group who came up with the internet and im finding that hard to sink in..........
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Are there different sizes of black hole?
Yes - it looks like there are two kinds. Big ones living in the hearts of galaxies massing millions of solar masses. Small ones exist as the result of supernovae and are of "just a few" solar masses. The only ones smaller than that would have been created in the Big Bang, and they don't exist anymore. You see, Steven Hawkins (clever chap) realised that all black holes radiate energy over time. Small ones (bigger surface area to volume ratio) radiate (evaporate) quickest. The ones that the LHC might create are TINY. Smaller than subatomic. And therefore they would radiate themselves away in fractions of a second. Therefore - there's no risk of a big planetary slurp up.
If so, pressumably you could fill an infintesimally (spelling police needed here) small one easier than one the size of a collapsed star. A collapsed star is apparently capable of swallowing worlds so would one the size of an atom be capable of swallowing say... a Morris minor or even a Ford Cortina.
Well, no. "Fill" is not the right word. Physics goes bad once inside the event horizon. A "small" black hole could gain as much mass as it fancied, if it existed long enough. Gaining mass would just make it a little bigger - and therefore it would last longer.
But you have to bear in mind that now and again cosmic rays hit the atmosphere with more energy than the LHC could ever generate particle collisions - and the Earth has been around for 4+ billion years...so there's no chance of anything dangerous occurring.
Andy
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Dear All,
Just to get this into perspective, the CERN cost £3B, BUT, the 2012 Olympics are going to cost the UK £10B!!! (+). CERN was funded Internationally, 2012 Olympics by all us mugs here in GB! >>:-( :embarrassed:
Not quite right there Bernard only the mugs in LONDON paying for the Olympics my rates have increased £38 extra to pay for it ( I wonder when it's finished in 2012 they remember to stop taking it)
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... also bit worrying Black hole 1 in 55 million , I believe winning the lottery 1 in 75 million !!
TYou have your dreams Sunshine, and I'll have mine ;) :) O0
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Can`t understand the bloody hype the newspapers are doing all around Black holes.... be cause yesterday they just switched on the bloody machine! It was just ignition, but don`t get the engine started!
So watch this space in a few weeks... for any black holes coming up.... O0
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There are an awful lot of Luddite's about these days General Ludd would be prouder of them. weren't there scare stories about all the air would be sucked out of your lungs if trains went over 5mph.. :(
Proteus
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... wouldn`t it be nice if they would take that money and make the world now safer? In example to make up the British railways, German motorways or whatever.... or feed some hungry, build new schools, Kindergarten, make up ed...whatever- hundreds of ideas to make the world NOW better instead of having a new theory how this world HERE AND NOW might have been created Millions of years ago.
Sorry, but it really feds me up if I see that waste of money and look around in my hometown where 3 out of 5 playgrounds had been closed for safety reasons, while a child some towns away died by hunger and mistreatment, my son is missing lessons in school as they don`t have enough teachers...
That all makes me really sad....
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Its alright complaining about how this money is being wasted on this big ring thing ,and it could be better spent on something usefull like building schools and feeding the millions starving around the world ,but why pour money into certain Charity's when at the end of the day for every £1 donated there would probably be only 2p left for the receiver who it was intended for originally,the rest gets swallowed up in admin .
A friend of mine told me how he would never give any donations to a certain charity after an aunt passed away and left her entire estate to that charity an 8 figure sum ,they had a small building before and he was invited to an opening to see how they had invested his aunts money ,on his arrival he saw a brand new building full of admin offices and in the reserved management carpark there were several gleaming merc's ,which tuned out to belong to the managers . Oh and as for the building which this charity specialised in (looking after sick animals) that had been relocated to another branch as the noise and smell might upset the office staff.
And whilst i an at it ,i remember not that long ago there was a story in the news that we had just made our last payment America for their funding during the war ,some colossal amount which we had been paying over the years £??billions .
Two questions.
where did this money come from ?
What are the UK government doing with it now,
i mean if i make the final payment on my mortgage my income don't go down just cos i don't have it to pay anymore .
thats my bit like it or not .
daz
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To everyone complaining about the waste of money -
The World Wide Web came out of CERN. Yes, that thing you are now using to complain about it.
Some of us are enjoying the irony of this.
Phil
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To everyone complaining about the waste of money -
The World Wide Web came out of CERN. Yes, that thing you are now using to complain about it.
Some of us are enjoying the irony of this.
Phil
Tim Berners Lee is God :)
Guy
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SpamCanMan, don't forget they have raided the Lottery so this affects 'everybody' and all good causes that the Lottery is supposed to be about - personally I don't consider these 'games' a good cause in any way shape or form. Don't forget they are holding quite a few venues across the country... not everything is going to be in London.
Portside, as usual the media try and pick up on the downside of everything... no news like bad news even when little to none exists! They are so tied up with the credit situation that CERN will grab their attention for about as much time as it takes for two atoms to collide... inevitably this will result in even more reporting inaccuracy than normal! As I said in my last posting to this Topic, CERN is internationally funded, BUT, 2012 is solely GB funded. The answer to your question is simple: it came from us, and it will go anywhere they see fit! - except the NHS, and national infrastructure it seems!!!
Regards, Bernard
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Sorry folks, but what tangible benefits will be derived from this experiment? The Internet IS a tangible outcome from the same research organisation (not all positive, however), but how will "proving" the big bang theory benefit us? Apart from anything else it is still conjecture (even if the experiment succeeds); it is akin to the endless hypotheses about Stone Henge and other contemporaneous stone monuments. No one can actually prove with total certainty why our ancestors built these enigmatic features. I studied archaeology at university and I for one am not convinced by all the supposition on this controversial subject. Only our ancestors knew why they felt compelled to erect these enduring landmarks. Likewise, the big bang theory is precisely that, a theory. There are some things humans should leave well alone, and specifically Nature. I'm sure you have all come across the expression, "Whistling for the wind"?
Simon ???
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Sorry folks, but what tangible benefits will be derived from this experiment?
Materials technology: future fusion reactors are going to be battered by high-speed protons and neutrons throughout their working lives. What better place to test new alloys than in a particle accelerator?
Control of plasma under high pressures and speeds: good for fusion studies, cleaning up fission waste, and potential fusion/plasma rocketry.
The Grid being used to process the data is the web on steroids: we could all gain from that.
And then there's the less tangible benefits - since people ever wondered what was over that hill next to the Rift Valley, humanity has explored. This is exploration of the most fundamental kind, back to the first fraction of a second of creation. I think that's pretty fantastic at the price. Who knows what other benefits might arise from the science done here for the next ten/twenty years?
Imagine getting an understanding of the Higgs Boson - control of mass? Gravity? I dunno - but it points to a future that I think I'd like to see. O0
Andy, another Archaeological graduate.
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I can only reiterate my previous observation; some things are best left alone. You only have to read the short stories of Montague Rhodes James to see what I mean. He was the Provost of King's College Cambridge and Eton during the early part of the last century; he was a professor of archaeology and a skilled writer of antiquarian ghost stories. His basic underlying message to us as readers was to leave well alone things that we can never understand or we will suffer the consequences. One of his classic stories was called: "A Warning to the Curious". We have tampered with Nature far too often and now we are paying the price; haven't you had the worst Summer on record in the UK? The jet stream as you know is positioned much further south this year due to the effects of La Niña and global warming. Just look at the alarming speed at which the glaciers and ice sheets are vanishing all thanks to "advances" in technology. Nuclear power is not the answer either; people have short term memories when it comes to remembering Chernobyl and its continuing destructive fall out; much of the Welsh landscape is still radioactive from this catastrophic explosion in 1986.
Simon ???
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Man will always be curious about everything and will always be trying to 'look over the hill' as it were. In the great scheme of things, we have only been here 'in the blink of an eye' so to speak as has this planet of ours. It may well be that we will eventually be masters of our own destruction and wipe out everything. If this is the eventual conclusion of our tinkerings and this planet is left a smouldering ball of lifeless dust.....will it make the slightest bit of difference? The whole of infinate space is out there and one more dusty lifeless ball won't matter a jot as space will continue just as it has done before this planet was created.
Naturally, as a sentient living being, I want to survive and the natural instinct of all of us is to go on doing so and re-create ourselves, but we only feel this way because we are alive here and now. Remember what it was like before you were conceived... well thats exactly what it will be like when you cease to exist and it's exactly what it's like for all those who have not yet been conceived. As I said, we only concern ourselves with all of this because we are here and all the time we are living and breathing humans....we will be looking over that hill, in this we are unstoppable.
Having said all of that, I would rather be master of my own destruction and not have someone elses wild ideas do it for me. In this 'elf n safety' concious environment in which we live there is at the forefront the concern that our actions should not affect our fellow mans well being. How is this thinking squared with organisations of which we as individuals are detached, carrying out possible life threatening tests on devices and apparatus which could possibly wipe out our very existence?
Just thinking on chaps.
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That's one side of the coin; viewing the World from one's own perspective is normal for most. However, what about the people who have no say in their destiny and day to day lives? I am thinking about people in disadvantaged countries (such as some high profile Asian countries with dictatorships, one of which is in the news right now); we in democratic western countries have it easy by comparison to these other less fortunate states. It's easy for us to think like you suggest above; I would suggest that many people in this country have led relatively "pain" free lives (vis a vis the above Asian countries) and therefore perhaps have this, "well I've had a good innings" attitude in the face of possible calamity. However, if the unthinkable was to happen what about the people mentioned above who've never had a chance to realise their potential or live fulfilling lives? How do you explain to them the need of certain humans to further the realms of science, just because it hasn't been achieved yet, or that it might better "our" lives somehow? Instead of speeding up we need to slow down and live with what we have more. In a way it is pointless me continuing this debate because of its subjectivity and its endless potential for disagreement. All I can say is that is often the actions of the very few that have greatest impact on the many, and I mean this in the negative sense; history seems to teach us nothing, and yet it contains the most salient messages that we should be heeding. One is never the only being on this planet, and Nature is not fair, but we should think about our actions in a more objective fashion in the quest to help others less fortunate than ourselves. Shedding light on the big bang is about as helpful in this respect as putting rice into a petrol tank.
Simon :(
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"I can only reiterate my previous observation; some things are best left alone"
Like fire ? And travelling faster than 10mph ? And knowing the Earth is round ? And knowing it isn't at the centre of the universe ?
Who decides at what point we are allowed to ask no more questions ? Anyway, at least this is (currently) a peacefull use for the money. There are plenty of politicians that think a good war would be a better use for it. Cruise missiles cost how much per go ?
Phil
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Dear All,
Maybe some said research into Penicillin was over-the-hill, and indeed many such and other innovations to the benefit of mankind have been available only by advancing science. Granted there has been messing about with nature with GM crops and gene modification, and I do not like this very much, however, CERN is interesting, has already supplied a couple of interesting answers to nuclear power, and has supplied some interesting possibilities for medical science... ok, the latter to be proved, but I am sure that things will be forthcoming. Give the thing a chance to prove itself before damning it! Don't forget they said that the internal combustion engine wouldn't catch on! - likewise the car... and probably the wheel before that! - oh, and they said there would probably be little use for the telephone once upon a time! - and that there would probably be only a very small market for personal computers! - nothing changes.........
Regards, Bernard
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OK, so CERN have got a bigger shed than the rest of us. They do their thing, we do ours.
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... don´t trust in any scientists statements anyway. The last time a "Super-Technology" was invented (for the benfit of mankind, of course) it has lead to two "Big Bangs" as well and after 60 years still people die by the nuclear contermination.
If this would lead to a new power-technology, which makes us ready to start for the journey to planets which we will not reach in one lifetime, powered by spaceshuttles which are not build yet- why don`t we care about the planet on which we are living now?
Hydrogene-oxygene-power was first introduced in 1937. This brilliant technology is still not available to the masses for powering the cars, producing electricity in their houses and heat them due to cold periods.
Why?
Be cause there is a lobby which is not interested in making such technologies available for everybody and for the benefit of mother earth. We still run on petrol, heat with gas, coal and oil and live like we have another world in spare.
So if some scientists want to tell me, that something new is for the benfit of mankind- I doubt it very much.
So the repeat of the Big-Bang is a nice experiment- but it`ll be better to care about the "where-we-go" instead of "where-we-come-from".
The Big Bang experiment is not neccesarily a step forward- it is just the try of an explanation what has happened in the past.
Just my penny..... (now back to the workshop....) ::)
Jörg
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... but what di I know?
The first inventor of the Big Bang Thingy I may ask- but then it`s too late to do something with the answer. So my creator knwos what he has done there and I`m not important enuogh that he will explain it to me. And I am honest enough to say: I surely won`t understand it...
So why to care about the idea behind gods creation? If he wants us to understand it- he will make it obvious.
Still can`t understand why he has left the space on Noahs arc for mosquitos, siders, rats, wasps, hornets..... and that is actually more important.... OUCH!!!! (another one hit me)... >:(
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The one thing that this Big Bang/CERN thing has certainly done is to get you lot thinking - and expressing those thoughts very eloquently. I don't think that I've previously read a thread on this Forum were such philosophy (and theology) were better expressed?
Good, long carefully worded posts too - great debate!
Maybe there is hope for the human race after all?
Malc
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Only the best on THIS forum Malc!
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"I can only reiterate my previous observation; some things are best left alone"
Like fire ? And travelling faster than 10mph ? And knowing the Earth is round ? And knowing it isn't at the centre of the universe ?
Who decides at what point we are allowed to ask no more questions ? Anyway, at least this is (currently) a peacefull use for the money. There are plenty of politicians that think a good war would be a better use for it. Cruise missiles cost how much per go ?
Phil
Yes, and where does much of the so called research for peaceful purposes end up? Being used via the backdoor to develop more lethal and technologically advanced weapons of mass destruction. I am not criticising genuine pragmatic advances in our development (like fire, which was probably discovered by accident anyway); what I am referring to are the scientific projects that seem to provide zero benefit to the masses, but which consume untold amounts of money, magically appearing from the coffers of the participating countries even though we are told that this is a "credit crunch" and that we all need to cut back. Tell me precisely what has been achieved by sending a human to the Moon for example? Are you feeling some of the benefits (whatever they might be)? As an analogy, it is like the telephone; before mobile 'phones were invented were we all waiting outside telephone boxes in long queues to tell our friends and family that we were "just standing inside a telephone box looking at the queue outside" or texting a garbled incomprehensible communication (like many noisy pointless conversations and text bleeps you hear on trains)? Were we heck as like. The need has been artificially created by advances in science and technology. Why not make use of tried and trusted methods? Ask questions by all means but make sure they are not going to spin out of control.
Simon :(
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"Tell me precisely what has been achieved by sending a human to the Moon for example? "
Microcomputers, teflon, and the superpowers spent years firing rockets into space as a substitute for firing them at each other.
Phil
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"... don´t trust in any scientists statements anyway" - better then than soothsayers and astrologers.
The trouble with science is it requires thinking and unless you get it directly from the horses mouth whatever you hear will have been filtered by the media. Many national newspapers do not employ science correspondants any more and so put the press release in the hands of someone more used to dealing with reporting on Big Brother. Strangely this means that what you get is often less than accurate. Hence the MMR controversy when much of the publics information came from "fat woman on Trisha" who knew nothing but because she was on the telly, managed to terrify parents into thinking something was wrong. This lead to a huge drop in imunisation and the resurgence of measles.
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Well said Phil ,thats one thing i have noticed and started to notice even more in the media sector , for example how many times have you sat sown to watch the news and seen all the dom and gloom in the world first then at the end we here something nice ,why when asking for aid for the third world do they show some poor child with flies on its face crying , oh well thats easy cos they want you to piity them and make you feel that if you give then that child will benefit . Would you still have the same opinion if they showed a child with an automatic rifle hijacking a food truck and shooting wildly into the air ,i dont think so.
The media i thought was there to inform us of what is happening in the world and to give us a non biased view of the events ,not to fill us with fear and dispair by trying to convince us that we are all doomed .
Oh well big bang little bang ,if it helps humanity to exist and live on this planet without destroying it i'll go with that .
Just one more thing what did happen to the ceramic engine and ever lasting light bulb,and all the other positive inventions that are hidden away because they would change the world and the fat cat industry's and goverments would'nt gain from, i mean what if you only ever bought one set of light bulbs for your house O0 .
daz
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You are using one of the benefits of super colliders at this instant.
If the scientist were to record ever bit of data out of one atomic collision, it would fill up every hard drive on earth.
So they have programmed the computerS to select the best collisions out of each event for analysis. The data is then shared throughout the faciity via networked computers. Then made available to scientist around the world via a larger network... the world wide web... The internet you are using now was developed to link computers so that the computers could more quickly analyze the data from the experiments and distribute that data around the world.
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My favorite comparison from the Apollo projects is that they sent men to the moon using slide rules. And that
Neal Armstrong made the lunar landing velocity calulations on a computer in center console of the lunar module
that was no more sofisticated than a simple credit card sized caculator today. The cell phone that most people carry in their pockets is more sophistcated than the computer that they took to the moon.
I imagine that miniaturization is possible by understanding the smaller components of molecular and atomic structure.
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Personally I am all for censorship of the press and media - and D Notices on hugely more than at present. The media very successfully does 60% of of what terrorists want, and, by picking on peoples fears to sell their rags, distort anything that comes their way to suit their purpose - the trouble is that seemingly 80% of the British public fall for it every time!!! ::) Oh well...... The media is a fickle beast as we know, get a story going, get people wound up suitably, but, guess what, as soon as something better comes along, what was so important gets dropped like a hot brick! When will most of the public learn to think for themselves and not believe or rely on the press and media? - if info. is wanted the I.net is there... but this is too much work I suppose! Read a rag, believe about 50%, and it's about 30% right! :)
Regards, Bernard
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I agree with you Bernard ,
yes your right about the bull that the media spew out on a daily basis (thats why i rarely buy any paper) even when there is a D notice slapped on a story the media often chose to ignore it and claim that the public have a right to know ,and the point is usually battled out in the courts and using tax payers money to fund it .
I would say the content of a newspaper is more 60% of it lies or well adjusted truth to sell the paper in the first place.
daz
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I'll go along with you Portside & polaris on the media even in the papers that display half dressed women the pictures are basically lies
R,
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I'll go along with you Portside & polaris on the media even in the papers that display half dressed women the pictures are basically lies
R,
So are you saying that they are basically half undressed or some other proportion that is misleading? ???
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Had to borrow Daughters paper! err I can only remember seeing women with the top lot on show but now it seems they are without any coverings but just posed in a way not to reveal ALL .
Just goes to show when I last looked at a 'paper' never mind buy one. :)
Scandal, sex, violence, doom and gloom? oh and don't forget the special offers "collect and get a free whatsit"
I think its just a ratings war between all the media and no I watch very little TV too busy in the workshop or being with the spanner.
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I only do the crossword, Suduko. codeword etc the rest just makes me weep. >>:-(
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http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)
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Course it hasn't. We're doing pretty well without it.....
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http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ (http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)
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Nope Not Yet... But they get to have another go possibly this coming June...
What I want to know is if this is
"designed to simulate the "Big Bang", which started the universe 15 billion years ago, by smashing sub-atomic particles together at energies never before achieved.
Scientists hope this will help them find the answers to big questions, such as what causes mass and whether hidden dimensions exist in space.
There is also a possibility of tiny black holes being created in the Collider. Experts insist that if this happens, they will pose no threat."
Who's to say that it wasn't some ruddy scientist 15 billion years ago who created the current universe by doing exactly as above!!
Also How do they know that these small black holes are harmless as they have never made one before..or have they ? and does any one trust experts..? %% after all don't they say life is a continual cycle..
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From what I have read, If the worst thing happens and they do a boo boo, the resulting black hole will result in the world being swallowed whole in the time it takes to turn off a light.
So we wont even know it happened.
If true that is nice. No panic, on mass trafficjam as every one tries to get home to their better halfs. On the down side, no spending spree on the company card, or telling the boss what you really think of him.
Knownig how the average sceince project gets eaten buy the military, Should Cern figure out how to make little black holes that could eat a person, a room or a small country, You can bet the military will want one. Just think no more war. Dont like him, lets send him a black hole. Problem solved.
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I remember there was all this BS about the formation of black holes and the end of the earth back in the late 70s and early 80s when they were about to turn on JET at Culham.
If I follow the physics correctly....
Tiny black holes are not stable - it all comes down to the ratio of the surface area to the volume... the smaller the volume the greater the ratio. The smaller they are the faster they lose energy
The prediction for the black holes that are likely to be seen at the LHC are expcted to be miniscule: diameters of 10^-4 fm (10^-19m) with a lifetime of about 10^-26 seconds. Given the high vacuums that are likely to be seen in the LHC, I cannot see that these mini-black holes would consume anything more than a couple of sub-atomic particles or the odd atom before they evaporated. The challenge will be to detect the tiny "puff" of energy as the holes collapse.
Wom