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Title: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on September 10, 2008, 04:35:56 PM
I am thinking of building a 26cc Zen or Sikk engine rigger/ hydroplane. Now thinking is very well but what I need is a plan to build it from.
Dose anyone have a plan that works????
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: w3bby on September 11, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
Fire fighter from Tom Moorehouse at International Waters
http://www.firefighterboats.com/ (http://www.firefighterboats.com/)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: ids987 on September 11, 2008, 04:16:23 PM
Bill,

If you're looking for an outrigger type of hydro, and you don't mind parting with a few quid (about £20) for the plans, I'm with Webby. The Firefighters are well proven (and well race proven), and you can download the plans as soon as you pay with PayPal. Tom Moorehouse also runs the forum which Webby mentioned, and seems like a thoroughly decent sort.
The one you would potentially want is the Firefighter Gas. It doesn't seem to appear if you click the boat plans link, but put firefighter gas in the search box, et Voila.......
Not sure if you're looking for something quite that fast though. I don't think you'd be wanting to run one of those at our usual Sunday venue. I'm guessing that you should be able to get something around 90MpH out of a gas Firefighter - probably more if you worked at it.

Ian
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on September 11, 2008, 04:49:27 PM
Hi Ian
I will maybe do some low speed at Stevenage for testing. Llanberis was /is such a large area, thats what I had in mined to open it up on.
I have a plan for a Firefighter 21 set up. Once you have payed and downloaded it you still have to get it printed out full size. This may be a prob, however I think Office world will print it out full size.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: w3bby on September 11, 2008, 11:41:21 PM
Bill, for printing try your local sign shop. Many have a large format printer that will do the job.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on September 12, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
There's one in town next to / near to Time Tunnel
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on September 12, 2008, 09:51:30 PM
Hi Andy
Do you mean a print shop? I have to download the plans yet Hang fire.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on September 12, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
I do indeed, but how about plonking the sikky in that hydro you've already got, it'll be fine, so long as you don't stop....
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on September 13, 2008, 12:43:46 AM
Bill why not try one like mine?,she runs in most conditions pretty well although i wouldnt go doing 60 in heavy chop  ;).shipping was reasonable and price of the kit was good too.
Mart
http://www.zippkits.com/ (http://www.zippkits.com/)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on September 13, 2008, 10:13:25 AM
My mate Johno from Australia has built several of the firefighter riggers in fact he has some connection with them i believe.He reckons they are some of the best runners you can build,the thing i was told is how difficult they are to get to run right as they take a lot of setting up.Might not be a good boat for a first hydro or rigger,thats why i went for the shovelnose as they run great and dont take much setting up unless they are scale ones then they dont run very well. A guy local to me has an orriginal scale slo mo shun from an american dumas kit,very rare and although it runs pretty fast in a straight line it uses most of the pond just to turn which can get pretty scarey.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 02, 2008, 01:21:50 PM
Hello
I have got my self a "Derek Owen Hydroplane Kit which is part built. I sure could use some more info about this boat. Dose any one Know how to get hold of Derek Owen. The boat is a Eon. I'm going to put a 26cc Zen in it. Well it's something to do on theses dark nights??? :} :} :} :}
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on November 02, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
And a very nice rigger it is too.

And after about half an hour of extensive searching, I can tell you he doesn't exist in the land of google %)

I shall persevere though, probably after I've finished this OMRA boat price chart for Martin
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 03, 2008, 10:38:31 AM
Hello
I have got my self a "Derek Owen Hydroplane Kit which is part built. I sure could use some more info about this boat. Dose any one Know how to get hold of Derek Owen. The boat is a Eon. I'm going to put a 26cc Zen in it. Well it's something to do on theses dark nights??? :} :} :} :}
Not familiar with this one what kind of hydro is it?,not sure what size lake you run on but im running at over 60 mph on my lake which isnt massive by any means.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on November 03, 2008, 05:48:15 PM
It's some kind of 3-Point Outrigger hydro O0

Still haven't managed to find it yet on the interweb.

You fixed that Makara yet?

Bet the rigger's going to be red isn't it?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 03, 2008, 08:11:49 PM
Hi Andy/ Martin
I have put the rebuilt Sikk engine in the Makara. The Zen needs new front and back main bearings + seals. New piston then it will be fine.
I am going to take a look at firefighter site as i have a feeling it may be one of there's.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 04, 2008, 12:41:48 AM
What happened to the sikk? which one is it the 26 or 27 cc?
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 04, 2008, 06:03:49 PM
Hi Martin
The Sikk can to a sicky end when the head gave way by the Ex port. it is the 27 cc type. It look ok now but i will be runing it in for a bit If I go on sunday. I am thinking of going to to Model boat show. I needs to get some bits like a Futaba 2.4 ghz rX ply wood rudder + drive unit ect. Loads of bit to get for the hydro.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 04, 2008, 07:07:06 PM
Bill thought so they seem prone to that have you changed the gasket for a copper one? due to the two bolt head if you use the stock gasket the head can rock when tightening and cause failure.Maybe an idea to change to copper if you havent yet allready ?.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 04, 2008, 07:33:12 PM
Hi Martin
No it's got a paper gasket at the mo. I will get a copper one if you think it will help.
I think the main resson it gave up was because i think the head bolts losened off on one side which caused the breakage. I am going to keep an eye on it and pull the head bolts down after its' run for about half an hour and recheak them  every hours runing time.
Cheers for now
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 04, 2008, 09:21:11 PM
Hi Martin
No it's got a paper gasket at the mo. I will get a copper one if you think it will help.
I think the main resson it gave up was because i think the head bolts losened off on one side which caused the breakage. I am going to keep an eye on it and pull the head bolts down after its' run for about half an hour and recheak them  every hours runing time.
Cheers for now


Thats exactly why you need to remove that gasket and install a copper one mate also to stop the bolts loosening i know a lot of the guys in the states tie the two together by drilling a hole through the head of the bolts and wiring them together so they cant loosen.With the paper gasket you cant get the bolts evenly tightened propperly as theres only two which causes the gasket to squash if you over tighten one side and then the head on the motor rocks when running and bingo thats the end of that.The copper gasket is a cheap fix and you should be fine then,,id wire the bolts too because loctite wont hold them either.I have a mate in the states who has 30 of those motors and he advises that too .you need a copper .020 gasket  :-))
Mart
heres an interesting thread on the subject,might be of some help for you mate.free to join too
http://www.jrcbd.com/showthread.php?t=11738&highlight=sikk+head+bolts (http://www.jrcbd.com/showthread.php?t=11738&highlight=sikk+head+bolts)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on November 05, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
Hang on let me get this straight, youre putting the tuned Zen in it? It'll skewer all the ducks just before it takes off up the ramp.... %)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 05, 2008, 06:41:51 PM
& your point is Andy???
 Lets see how it turns out.  I think the Sikk will go in the hydro and when i rebuilt the zen that is going back in the Makara. I the parts on order from the USA. They are all a bit hung over today. I wounder why.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 05, 2008, 07:17:19 PM
Bill i doubt the big sikk will have the rpm for a hydro? best with the smaller sikk or the modded zen.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on November 06, 2008, 08:08:59 PM
Hi Bill
This is a UK multi racers site but it may prove interesting. He hasn't got very far yet though  {:-{
http://www.cobraracing.co.uk/new.htm (http://www.cobraracing.co.uk/new.htm)
Cheers - see you Sunday
Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 06, 2008, 09:11:33 PM
Cheers Danny. See you @ the AGM.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 18, 2008, 06:54:03 PM
Heres some Pictures of my hydro build so far. Bear in mind the main tub had already built when i got it.
I am still looking for a strut and rudder if any one has one out there CHEAP.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 18, 2008, 07:17:44 PM
Oh thats going to be something else Bill, can't wait to see it go (I like the control 1's for your sounds)  :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 18, 2008, 07:26:41 PM
Hi Bill it looks good so far interesting design on those sponsons(outriggers) too,what fin did you get with the kit or do you have to buy or make your own?.Those riggers run great a mate of mine has one over in the states with a modded zenoah in it one thing he told me is you need high rpm to get em up and moving and you will need to Throw  it in to get it moving  ok2.Is it one of the firefighter ones if so  a mate of mine in Aus has built all of them and hes allways doing mods to them to gain more performance,good thing is the sponsons are dead easy to make using foam and ply so you can experiment with diff shapes and sizes.If i can find any pics of his ill post a cpl if you like .Look forward to seeing how she turns out,you might be surprised how well she handles rough water too  :-)).
Mart

Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 18, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Bill heres a few pics of Johnos  this ones his own design ,hes a mate of Tom Moorhouse who designs them and heres a video of his firefighter running i can supply his email if you need to ask any questions hes a top fella too.
Mart


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucqef9ppIxs (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucqef9ppIxs)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 18, 2008, 08:02:09 PM
Hi Martin
I am not sure who made this kit. I am told he is English?? I do know it is not a Firefighter kit but it isn't far out. Re Engine, I'm going to try my modded Zen to see how it gets on at first. Thanks for the photos they may help me out a bit.
Phil
Yes Control 1 speakers. Only the best!!!  My whole rig is JBL all 2.4 kw of it.
I hope to have the boat up and ruining soon. That should keep you on your toes at Llanberis. ( as long as her indoors lets me out to play?)
Cheers for now
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on November 18, 2008, 08:51:20 PM
Bill, if you're going to the OMRA AGM on Sunday, there are always bits and pieces for sale cheap. Aim to get there about 11.30 and catch them bringing the stuff in  :-))
Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 18, 2008, 08:55:57 PM
Cheers Danny.
I hope to be there at the AGM. Got a PA job on Saturday so depends on what time I get to bed Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 18, 2008, 09:08:48 PM
Hey Bill i have lots of pics of his riggers he sent me few diff ones hes a rigger nut lol,if you require anything specific let me know im only too glad to help mate ,i can email them to save clogging up your thread with pics lol.Glad you decided on the modded zenoah she should go well ,from what he tells me they can be finnicky to setup to run well but once you find the right strut height and prop etc it should be very fast mate and you will be shaking believe me  O0,its a real rush running these things they run like theyre on rails even in chop once theyre setup right.What prop you planning on trying? i can find out a few recomendations for you if you wish.What i can tell you from running hydros you will want a prop with lots of lift i run a 6717/3 from propshop that Chris Hoffman worked for me(dasboata) ok2.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 18, 2008, 09:27:36 PM
Cheers Martin
I am a bit off working out prop size at the mo but thanks for the advise. Prop shop was at the show last week. Lots of brass props on show.  I have got to work out what color I'm going to paint it next. When I have all the wood work done thats next before I fit it out with the ruining gear. I think The tub will be metallic yellow, Floats in Red or possibly Black metallic . I'm not sure yet.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Stavros on November 18, 2008, 10:04:32 PM
Oh Jeepers Phil we now need a Turbo on the rescue Dinghy ok2 ;)




Stavros


PS new speed ruling on lake anythign over 40 mph Stav and Phil must test first to see if it is safe
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on November 19, 2008, 06:09:56 PM
It's going to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy over 40mph, the Makara does that easily...

Bill put soem kind of right angled piece of metal on the back so I can give it fast launches, it'll probably need them...

And as for your rescue boat, you're going to need an unlimited hydroplane or a tunnel hull with at least a 1000hp engine to keep up.... %)

Andy :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on November 19, 2008, 06:20:09 PM
Your not wrong Andy that thing will fly once he finds the right prop and strut setup for it,my shovelnose hydro is ballistic with a full mod so the rigger should at least be as fast as that if not faster.Im looking for a gps to put in the hydro so i can get a speed reading,im hopefull its gonna be very very fast  :-).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on November 19, 2008, 06:22:25 PM
Bring it along to our lake sometime and I'll put one in for you, or possibly llanberis next year?

Andy :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on November 20, 2008, 12:09:53 AM
As you know Andy I have a GPS which will tell alll about the speed. Thats how I know the Makara is doing some where around 40 mph.
The last time i tracked it was 37.6 mph with the Sikk engine. The moded Zen dose a bit more. We should have tracked it at Llanberis when it was runing up to the 11 mark!!!! :-))
Goodnight. Been a long day. 19 hour since I got up.!!
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 20, 2008, 09:33:01 PM
Stavros we are going to need a couple of shovels and a few muck buckets as it appears we have to make the lake longer at Llanberis  {:-{
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Stavros on November 20, 2008, 10:36:37 PM
Och don't worry patrick,paddy and mick are on the case,they have started from the deep end !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Stavros
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 06, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Things are still on the move with my Hydro.
Made the engine canopy now and it's best part painted. Should get all the parts back Sunday to finish off the engine rebuild. I have ordered the hardware from PMB which will be here during the week.  Who knows maybe I will  have it in the water  Feb time, but I don't want to rush the building / fitting out the boat.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 06, 2008, 08:56:25 PM
Keep going Bill, when its ready, let me know and I'll come along for the launching  :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 22, 2008, 04:15:46 PM
Now this will be fast Andy.
After I have done my Hydro boat Im going to get a Z class up and going for the spring time.
Happy Christmas one and all.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 22, 2008, 06:03:53 PM
Ok Bill, all I can see is engine and a couple of bits of would around it-------------oh my gawd
Thats going to be something elses
Merry chrimable etc etc to you and yours
(PS let me know the the trail dates, cos this I have to see)
 :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 22, 2008, 06:13:10 PM
Watch this space Phil
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on December 22, 2008, 06:29:51 PM
He still hasn't made me a handle...
Ahh well I'll just slice my hand up %)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 22, 2008, 07:29:00 PM
Is that a Fork handles :D:} :}
or 4 candles :D
IT IS NOT FINISHED YET ANDY.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on December 22, 2008, 07:31:35 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2-ukrd2VQ)

I know I know its not finished yadayadayada.....
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on December 22, 2008, 08:33:53 PM
Dang - and here's me thinking Bills invented a zero gravity tuned pipe  %) ;D
Not much difference between the rigger and the Z class then, Bill??  {-) {-)
Nice looking boat though  :-))
Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 22, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
Which one Danny? The Hydro i hope. The Z class is a second hand hull im doing up just so i have a boat at the meeting here at Stevenage next year.
HO Ho ho Christmas
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on December 22, 2008, 11:00:20 PM
She looks good Bill i just recieved plans for the Firefighter Rigger,ill have them printed up and make a start sometime in the spring.These things are awesome and if you set them up right which isnt easy by all accounts they will handle suprisingly well in fairly choppy conditions.No need for a handle on these things really as the tub is so narrow you can pick em up and launch easy.By the way Bill you will want one of these on it or it wont turn very well  ok2.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 27, 2008, 04:28:07 PM
Well the big day -1 has come. I have got the boat to a point where I  have had to fill the fuel tank up and try and fire the newly rebuilt engine up in my back yard. 1 or 2 minor little problems like a small leak from the fuel tank pipes.  With the aid of a small Tye rape it's shorted now. One of the bolts on the HT coil needed puling up. The engine started without any trouble. I ran it with cooling water going though the system for 15 Min's at low revs. All seems good for it's trip to the lake in the morning.
If you want to come along for it's very 1st test run heres where i will be.  Fairlands valley lake, Off Six's hill way Stevenage. On the middle lake from 9am till 12.00 or something breaks or fools off. I will try and get some pica's / video  of it's 1st run to post here.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on December 27, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
Good luck with it mate  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 27, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
Good luck Bill, hope all goes well, sorry I can't be there as I'm way down south at the mo  :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on December 27, 2008, 09:14:52 PM
I feel a great disturbance in the OMRA Force!
With the invention of this "Dark Sabre", Jedi William will henceforth be known as
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Darth Bill  :o :o :o


The dark side has taken him  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 27, 2008, 11:13:01 PM
Don't Panic!!
I will still be out with my Makara.
ROLL ON MAY DAY.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 28, 2008, 11:41:15 AM
Well the day has come when there was nothing Else for it but to lunch it in the water and p the ducks off.
Bl**dy hell fire did it go!!!!! Only got up to 1/3rd full power. I managed to get Andy wet on the bank with the roster tail  as it went passed.  It was far to cold other then to have a very short run just to test her out. the camera even gave up as the cold got to the battery's. Hope in a short time to have the Youtube video today.
Yours still shaking
Bill
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 28, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
So Andy got soaked on 1/3 power, so I reckon on full power you should be able to water all the grass and the trees in park
Note to self, take scuba gear when going to watch Bill's boat
Glad the first test was successful   :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Stavros on December 28, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
Have started to fit canopy to the rescue boat O0




Stavros
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on December 28, 2008, 03:01:39 PM
Andy has been sitting next to a fire all afternoon trying to warm up after A.)Bill getting me wet and B.)Standing still with a camera for 5 mins...

Ill put the video up on youtube as soon as I get it - File transfer is being rather slow at the moment.

Youre definately gonna need the canopy Stav, or at least an umbrella, he got me soaked from about 8 feet away on no throttle whatsoever

A rather moist Andy :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on December 28, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
You might want to try a sideways launch next time Andy that way you wont get wet  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 28, 2008, 03:26:13 PM
He did Martin.
Stavros. You best get down the Gym as you and Phil are going to have to row reel fast to keep up with this baby.
Just the thing for Llanberis next year.  :} :} :} :} :} :} {-) {-) {-) {-)
Just a few minor bits to get shorted + Andy can you get the man with the JCB to make our lake a bit longer {-) {-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on December 28, 2008, 06:13:21 PM
http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/?action=view&current=D203Hydro.flv (http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/?action=view&current=D203Hydro.flv)

Will be on youtube soon when I can get the damn thing to work in my favour - more shouting required...

Apologies for shakyness was shivering too much...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Stavros on December 28, 2008, 07:23:59 PM
Oh my gawd and that is on 1/3rd power,forget the 75hp motor me needs a 100Hp outboard with a turbocharger just too keep up with it.
Memo to myself,I will just have to phone Paddy and Mick to get digging FASTER to make the lake longer and WIDER {-)




Stavros



Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 28, 2008, 08:34:20 PM
As the gym is far too far for Stavros and I to get too (whatever a gym is anyway !!!) I'm off to the lake district to borrow a certain "Bluebird" cos my way of thinking, thats the only bu**er that will be able to keep  O0
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on December 28, 2008, 10:07:31 PM
Congrats on getting her wet Bill,now you gotta pull the trigger so we can see how she really runs  ;).You should be looking at well over 65 mph,if you use a full mod id say 85 mph is acheivable who knows maybe more.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on December 28, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
Hi Martin
Me thinks I need to find a biger bit of water to run her flat out. Still today went fine, However it was /is very cold out there. I need it a little warmer to get a good long run.
Still I'm Very happy with how it went today.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on December 28, 2008, 10:57:20 PM
A bigger pond allways helps but the way these things turn dont be afraid to give her a bit more,i used to be a bit worried when i first realised how fast my hydro was gonna be but she turns brilliant and although the ponds not wide she turns at full tilt without a problem.What turn fin are you using on her mate?,ill look forward to seeing some fast videos of her once you get her sorted.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: pt109 on December 29, 2008, 10:14:14 PM
forget the 75hp motor me needs a 100Hp outboard with a turbocharger just too keep up with it.
I think that this might do for you e bay item 380092072109 its got twin v8's and 1000hp, it should keep your rescue boat in touch with the hydroplane
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 06, 2009, 07:06:28 PM
How is it when i get a boat ready to run in the water something always goes wrong?
Our lake has been froze over for a week now.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 06, 2009, 10:41:09 PM
At least you had water (see thread in chit chat)  {:-{
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 07, 2009, 03:59:05 PM
We an't  got no water in our "Big lake" and Ice on or normal lake.
I glad it's not just me then Phil.
Roll on May day. :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 08, 2009, 07:05:45 PM
I've just finished building one, here's some pic's

Andy
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 08, 2009, 07:16:37 PM
Nice build Andy  :-))
And it doesn't matter if it hasn't got a pretty paint job -
cos it'll be too fast to see  {-) {-) {-) {-)

Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 08, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
Hi Andy
Where abouts are you? Be good to see how both the boats run sometime. I'm in Stevenage. There is just about room to run mine here.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 08, 2009, 07:25:05 PM
just in primer coat in these pic's

Andy
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 08, 2009, 07:26:45 PM
Looking Good Andy
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 08, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Elmbridge club

Andy
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 08, 2009, 07:28:03 PM
Is that near Heathrow?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 08, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
correct :- http://website.lineone.net/~elmbridgemc/
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 08, 2009, 07:45:33 PM
I also have one of these -
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 08, 2009, 07:50:54 PM
Very Nice
This is my 1st go at a Hydro. I have had a test run the other week but now our lake is froze over I'm going to have to wait to do some more testing.
I ran a OMRA D class boat last year which was and is loads of fun & joy. Hope to get in a few OMRA races this year as well as having some fun with my Hydro.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 08, 2009, 08:07:01 PM
OOOHHH! Andy - we'll pencil you in for the 2010 World Champs then  :-))
Could do with some good UK boats!

Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Andy on January 09, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
not just me, my mates got one also
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 18, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
Had my second test run today. 1 or 2 minor problems to short out. The bit of perspex i use for the radio box cover broke up. Stress I think.  The rudder linkage bolt came out and I lost the steering.  Tired another tuned pipe on it which really makes it rev well, so that is staying on the boat. I had to fit a second bracket for it.
I am going to get a Thicker bit of perspex shorted out next weekend, in the mean time i have made a temporary Ally cover so I can run it again next Sunday.
As for how fast it goes! well I'm very happy and i will maybe put my GPS in it next week to see.
Andy did take some pic's of the boat while it was going slow, when i got the carb setting shorted his camera battery went flat. OH Dear. said Andy.
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 18, 2009, 11:27:09 PM
You hear that Phil? New pipe for MORE SPEED....

You're gonna need a bigger boat anyway it barely fits happily in ours...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 22, 2009, 09:48:26 PM
Got in my third run today.  Shorted out the silicon pipe on the exhaust and it ran like a dream.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 22, 2009, 09:57:33 PM
It may run like a dream for you Bill, I havn't seen it in the flesh as it were, but the video gives me bl***y nightmares
Roll on Llanberis, big lake-------huge nightmares     O0
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 22, 2009, 10:04:17 PM
Yes Phil. Its not doing much for the ducks down our lake. WHY DO THEY SWIM IN FRONT OF IT???????
I think its over 50 MPH at the mo but i do need to take it to a larger lake. I'm doing a PA job on Sunday in London But I'm thinking about taking over to Willen lake MK the next Sunday.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 22, 2009, 10:09:21 PM
It may run like a dream for you Bill, I havn't seen it in the flesh as it were, but the video gives me bl***y nightmares
Roll on Llanberis, big lake-------huge nightmares     O0

You don't have to wait until then Phil, he's taking it to Wicksteed   {-) {-)
Then you'll see some driving skills.....
Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 22, 2009, 10:50:04 PM
Its not doing much for the ducks down our lake. WHY DO THEY SWIM IN FRONT OF IT???????
I think its over 50 MPH at the mo but i do need to take it to a larger lake.

The stupid b**** ducks swim in front of it then look startled as a very large and wide object travels towards them at well over 50mph...

Why couldn't they have eveolved into something more useful, like Butler Monkeys?

And it is going faster than the Makara does and its not even tuned yet...

...However it does seem to spend more time getting new pieces of silicon than actually moving ;)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 22, 2009, 10:58:45 PM
Nothing but setting up probs. THATS THE FUN BIT !!!! wel that's how it goes. the last bit of silicon worked ok.  Trying to short out the radio box leak now
 :-))
By the time we go to Llanberis you will have work out how to get it into the water without stopping the engine. Thanks for trying. We will sort it .
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 22, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
Bill id ditch the silicone mate and either get a different pipe setup or if you must use one of those type of joiners try teflon they wont melt like the blue silicone ones do.You should have no problem getting that thing to well over 60 mph with the right setup,i have my rigger plans printed so when im finnished with a few other projects ill be building one myself,probably wont be till summer though.Looking forward to a fast video of your rigger .
Mart
looking at your pipe it looks more like a nitro pipe the outlet seems real small?.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 23, 2009, 01:04:08 AM
That pipe was a Prestwich one that came out the Enforcer he had.

He now has a CMB pipe on it that has a lot more backpressure, hence the blowing apart the first bit of that rubbish silver silicon stuff.  The other bits he tried were the wrong size and the bit he has now is perfect for it.

The engine is still running rich as it has just been rebuilt and has only just got a new pipe on it.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 23, 2009, 10:03:01 AM
.Far better go with a good gas tuned pipe and header combo that doesnt use those flexi type joiners which i never had any luck with.Just remember these boats need high rpm to get them running well so the pipe is the most important part asuming you have a good motor and prop combo to go with it.Also looking at the pics the pipe looks set way long,heres a pic of the kind of setup id go with on a  rigger .
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Euan Galloway on January 23, 2009, 07:57:09 PM
Bill,
          If you wrap a piece of thin litho around the joiner and then tie wrap on top it will last a lot longer,or if you cannot get hold of litho plate the ali fro a can of Stella works well,
                            cheers Euan.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 23, 2009, 08:36:03 PM
Bill,
          If you wrap a piece of thin litho around the joiner and then tie wrap on top it will last a lot longer,or if you cannot get hold of litho plate the ali fro a can of Stella works well,
                            cheers Euan.
Now the bit about using the Stella can sounds good to me ,as that would mean i would have to drink the contents first.
As I said before I have a few things to short out in my own way. It took me all last year to get my Makara right. Now it will be good for the 2009 racing.  The CMB pipe is working just fine. The engine runs a whole lot better then it did on the 1st pipe i tyred. I found out why water was getting into the radio box! My fault, I did not replace the tyerap on the rudder rod bellows into the box when i fitted a new push rod. Twit!!
The whole idea of this hydro project was as a fun fast boat. I do not want to race it.  So if it goes at 20mph or 120mph it really is not the main aim.  As long as i can enjoy the boat, that's all i want from it. Mind You the old heart rate bumps up a bit when it's on the water, and the ducks just keep on swimming out in front of it. Dam daft ducks.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 23, 2009, 10:54:13 PM
Of course those pics came from Bill's recent appearance in the local newspaper :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 23, 2009, 11:05:02 PM
What Bill DIDN'T say is that he is a local hero!!

Extract from the Comet News (Stevenage Local Paper)  Jan 22nd 2009 -

A MOTHER jumped into freezing water to save her seven-month-old baby strapped in a
buggy after it fell into a lake at Fairlands Valley Park, Stevenage.
The incident happened last Thursday afternoon when the pushchair rolled down
a steep grass bank and into the lake that remained frozen in some areas following
the very cold weather.
“The baby was submerged and the mother jumped into the water that was up to her
waist and managed to pull the pushchair out of the water,” said Gary Sanderson,
spokesman for the East of England Ambulance Service.
“It appears the child was strapped in the buggy when it rolled into the lake. Staff at the
lake did a great job looking after both of them until we arrived.
“Both required treatment at Lister Hospital.”
Eyewitness Bill Warder of the Stevenage Model Boat Club saw baby and buggy splash
into the lake.
“I immediately ran over. She had already jumped in and when I got there I stood in the
water and helped both of them out,” said Mr Warder of Austen Paths, Stevenage.
“The buggy and the baby had gone under the water and pulling the buggy out was
difficult because it was stuck in all the rubbish on the bottom of the lake.
“The baby was very lucky and I offered to drive them home but they wanted first aid
and were looked after at the sailing club.” Jon Stone, director of marketing at
Stevenage Leisure, responsible for operations at the park, said the mother had been walking
with her child and two Jack Russell dogs when the incident happened.
“We understand one of the dogs had fouled on the footpath and she was clearing it up
when the pushchair rolled into the water,” said Mr Stone.
“The baby was stripped of its freezing, wet clothes and put in a survival blanket and the
ambulance was called. Staff there acted in a very professional way to deal with what was
an emergency situation.”
After the mother and her child had been taken to hospital, staff at the sailing club
spent half-an-hour retrieving the two dogs that had run off. The animals were later
picked up by a family friend.

Well done Bill  :-))

Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 23, 2009, 11:07:57 PM
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Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 23, 2009, 11:10:31 PM
Snap Andy - that should embarrass him enough  :-)) O0 {-) {-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 23, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
Ok Ok Ok .
Lets talk about the Esso blue man
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: omra85 on January 23, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
I'm not surprised you want to talk about heaters, Bill  {-) {-)

Danny
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 24, 2009, 12:52:17 AM
Nice one Bill  ;),now stop making excuses and get that darn rigger up to speed you know you want it to go fast lol and ditch that ugly pipe  please {-).On a more serious note though well done  O0.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 24, 2009, 08:01:13 AM
Congratulations, that man...we have a hero in out midst!

Take a bow, young sir... :-))

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 24, 2009, 01:47:18 PM
It seems we have a true hero on the forum
WELL DONE BILL
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Stavros on January 24, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
WHat a star this man is turning out to be WELL DONE THAT MAN



Stavros
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
Well here we are. I'm looking forwards to Thursday (work permitting) and or Sunday to get in my third run in. Thanks to Andy who came up with some more perspex I have now got a new cover fitted over the radio box area.  I hope to put my GPS in the boat on Sunday to check out just how fast it is going now. If I am happy then maybe the week after I will take it up to Willen Lake MK for a full on test.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Good luck with the test Bill...give it a large portion!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 27, 2009, 06:45:37 PM
One of these days I will get launching the things sorted, likes to dive in nose first...

Willen eh? can I come?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
Can I bring mine as well?


Rich


(where's Willen?)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 06:54:17 PM
Yes Andy BUT you will have to short out your launch angle. Don't chuck it, just place it in the water and the rest is up to me.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
Can I bring mine as well?


Rich


(where's Willen?)
Hi Rich
I take it your ready for your 1st run then? PS stick a pic up here for the rest to see.
Willen Lake is in Milton Keynes. Just off the M1 J14.  A bit to far for you to come out to play I think. But if you want to come up to Stevenage you would be made welcome.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
Very nearly Bill...batteries should be here tomorrow, as should the radio(with a bit of luck and a following wind), I'm hoping to take it down to the water by this weekend and get it wet, I'll post up some pics of it then.

That doesn't sound too far to come and play, used to travel a lot further to play with the subs...I may very well have a run up there soon as it's ready.

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 07:12:24 PM
Very nearly Bill...batteries should be here tomorrow, as should the radio(with a bit of luck and a following wind), I'm hoping to take it down to the water by this weekend and get it wet, I'll post up some pics of it then.

That doesn't sound too far to come and play, used to travel a lot further to play with the subs...I may very well have a run up there soon as it's ready.

Rich
Bring it on Rich. Do you still run your Sub? If so maybe you could bring that along with you as well
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 27, 2009, 07:16:42 PM
Yes Andy BUT you will have to short out your launch angle. Don't chuck it, just place it in the water and the rest is up to me.

Good luck with it Bill,by the way Andy has the right idea you have to chuck a rigger in with some revs or it wont get up and going very well.Just make sure you throw it with a slight nose up attitude so she doesnt submarine  :-)).Give her some throttle and chuck her in and she should take off and if Andy gets soaked then you know it was a good launch  :-)),sorry Andy  ok2.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 27, 2009, 07:23:03 PM
Bill heres a good pic of my mate Brians g force rigger been launched,he recomends a good hard chuck with plenty of revs.Mind you he now launches his on his own maybe this pic tells you why  :}.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 07:53:38 PM
Very nearly Bill...batteries should be here tomorrow, as should the radio(with a bit of luck and a following wind), I'm hoping to take it down to the water by this weekend and get it wet, I'll post up some pics of it then.

That doesn't sound too far to come and play, used to travel a lot further to play with the subs...I may very well have a run up there soon as it's ready.

Rich
Bring it on Rich. Do you still run your Sub? If so maybe you could bring that along with you as well


I don't have an operational sub at this point in time Bill...U-33 is awaiting parts from the US of A, 'Mother Russia' is sold and goes off to it's new home tomorrow, and U-441(U-Flak1)is still in kit form at my cousin's in Vancouver BC awaiting collection when I go over later in the year.

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 08:00:24 PM
Martin. I see. ANDY your going to get WET {-) {-) {-) {-) It realy dose pick up well from a standing start.
Rich We are all awaiting the 1st run this weekend.
Andy. Your going to get WET. he he he :} :} :} :}
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 08:14:06 PM
Go electric...don't have that problem. PLACE the boat in the water, sit down on your seat, roll a smoke, pour a cup of liquid refreshment and turn up the wick. Nice and sedate...

Pics attached are of the rigger as it was when I bought it...

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 08:20:59 PM
Look's OK Rich. I have posted on the other site re tape. see e bay item No 190281227047
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 27, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
Got it Bill, thanks.

I fancy spraying the rigger bright pink....

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 27, 2009, 08:46:44 PM
There are MANY color spray paint on sale at Halfords. Some are very nice, WHY PINK????
Any way go with the flow .
Im off out now . Be back later
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 28, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
Nice little rigger that Rich is that what Euans making now?,what motor and power you running in that thing?.My lad has one of those minicat hydros and its running about 40 mph with a small brushless and lipo setup its only about 12" long  :o.Regarding tape for radio boxes ive been using Scotch Magic clear tape with good results on my big hydro its not quite clear its more semi clear if that makes sense lol.Cost me a cpl of quid from woolies so you might need to go elsewhere for it now,try wilkos.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 01:20:03 PM
I bought it from Euan, Mart, but I don't know if he's building any more of them. He tells me that it was built from a plan by a chap in Devon(name unknown). It's 28"x14" across the sponsons, and has a Graupner Speed 700 9.6 bb turbo motor installed with a matching flexi coupler, it runs a 42 mm Graupner prop, a Viking w/cooled esc and has(or will have when they arrive)2 6cell 4300a/h battery packs.

I've got so much tape in here now mate, I could wrap up Woollies with it! I'll just try them all, find one I like and stick with it.
(stick with it?...STICK with ...oh, never mind)  ;)


Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 28, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
We managed to go a hundred and twenty four replies without a rubbish joke Rich....
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 02:37:32 PM
Sorry Andy...just had to be done! No more...promise.   :D

Here's a pic of the rigger with it's new hatch cover laid on...now all I need a real macho name for it.

Rich

(oh..note the custom build boat stand  :embarrassed:)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 28, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
now all I need a real macho name for it.

How about FLUFFLES or THE FLUFFINATOR ?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 02:56:58 PM
Ye Gods...there's always one, isn't there? Fluffles indeed!! I thought of The Duck Destroyer...or The Duckinator.

Fluffles...huh!!!   ;D

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 28, 2009, 04:20:23 PM
Looks good mate should go well,good luck with it  and keep us informed,you might be surprised by the speed  ok2.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 04:51:49 PM
Thanks Mart...Bill...Andy...and everybody for all the help, suggestions and advice you've given me, I appreciate it all. Even the name suggestions... ;D

Hopefully, the maiden voyage will take place on a secret water over the weekend, I'll post some pics up of what happens. As we say in all the best places..."watch this space".


Looks good mate should go well,good luck with it  and keep us informed,you might be surprised by the speed  ok2.
Mart

Don't you mean "frightened by the speed".... :o

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 28, 2009, 04:53:14 PM
Ye Gods...there's always one, isn't there? Fluffles indeed!! I thought of The Duck Destroyer...or The Duckinator.

Fluffles...huh!!!   ;D

Rich
Rich Go for UPDUCK !
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
Bill...I think that A DUCK UP is probably nearer!!!  O0  O0


Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 28, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
Bill...I think that A DUCK UP is probably nearer!!!  O0  O0


Rich
I did put that down first of all , Then I wondered if it would get a rap from the moderators. So I changed it.  The New cover looks OK.
Been thinking today about the motor in your boat.  2 things. 1 It looks like a standard 540 motor. IF it is you could get a bit more Speed out of the boat replacing it with a Hot buggy motor. Still you are only going to find that out when you run it.
2 DON'T be tempted to run it in the bath tub. I did and it was a hard job telling the wife why there was chips out of the Fiber glass Opps ! + the fact it Will empty the water out all over the walls etc. Opps again.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 28, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Rich it will go well with that 700 turbo ?,you could also go brushless when you want more speed.That mini cat my lad has scared the heck out of us when we got it running well,its as fast as my stock zenoah powered vee if not faster.Your going to have lots of fun with that thing im sure,as will Bill with his once he gets it dialed in.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 28, 2009, 06:49:38 PM
Euan tells me that the motor is a water cooled Graupner Speed 700 Turbo BB...it looks pretty big when compared to a stock 540. I'm really looking forward to giving it a run this weekend if all goes according to plan and all the bits arrive.

Bill...I have tried the motor VERY briefly on a 9volt cell I had laying around, it frightened the life out of me! I'm more used to a pair of 380's running on a 6 volt gel cel, not this thing! And as for the bathroom tales...I'd have thought a man of your obvious calibre would have known better! Ron Perrott, and old model submariner friend, once famously tested his home brewed torpedoes in the bath...he had to explain to his good lady why there wasn't an end to their bath any more. He'd fired the torpedo and blown the end of the bath off...very embarrassing!!

We shall have fun mate, come the weekend...at least you have a head start on me!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 28, 2009, 11:27:17 PM
Hi Rich
Now the bit about blowing the end of the bath out I like very much.  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) Oh boy arn't we just daft at times??
Your motor set up sounds Ok then. Yes they rev there ass off. Don't foget to get someone to take some pic's or better still video.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 29, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
It's all good fun Bill...or so they tell me!

Another question for you guys...how much rudder throw should I be aiming for? Maximum throw, then adjust from there?

Rich

(Oh, by the way, I've got a name for the boat...."1st Attempt". How's that sound?)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 29, 2009, 09:01:58 PM
...."1st Attempt".  Sounds just fine, however I think it's been done before. Rudder ? yes mine works about 30 deg either side of the center line.  You will find you will not use all the movement when its running but it's nice to have in case you have to do a sharp turn.
Had mine on the water this afternoon. Put my GPS in to track the speed. I got Max speed 41MPH. I really do need to try it out on a larger lake to give it full steam ahead. Andy & I may go up the M1 to MK in a week or so.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 29, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
I can't have a name that's been used before, that will never do! Oh well, back to the drawing board...

Thanks for the rudder info Bill...I'll go with that as a start setting and go from there.

41mph...sounds frighteningly rapid to me, what's it's top speed, any ideas? Perhaps you should go drag racing with it?

Good luck if you do go to the big water, although this weekend isn't exactly sounding like boating weather, maybe snow cat weather!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 29, 2009, 09:26:21 PM
The problem with our lake is as soon as it gets anywhere near winding up it's time to turn. Off to pastures new and lakes bigger...

Aiming for 70 odd mph, it's got plenty more to give and those fiddley bits on the carb need fiddling with ok2
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 29, 2009, 10:56:57 PM
Andy
The Carb Dose NOT need tweking just yet. Don't forget the engine has had a total rebuild. It has just about had 1 liter of petrol in it. It still needs a bit more running in. I may put the super doper spark plug on for Sunday I May even swop the carb to my 257.
However same prob THE LAKE IS A BIT SMALL.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 29, 2009, 11:45:15 PM
You're going a bit too diagonal towards us because of the bouy methinks. I'll go move that bouy for you, and some ducks while im at it.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 30, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
Bit of an update..

Radio arrived today(thanks Paul)
Foned Vapextech, they assure me that the battery packs will be here tomorrow morning. So far..so good.

Weather forecast is for snow...no so good. Fingers crossed the forecasters have got it wrong..

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 30, 2009, 05:41:26 PM
Snow Snow Snow!!!!!
Blow that stuff as long as it dose not ice over Im going boating.
Anyway the weather men have got it all wronge, it will snow Sunday night/ Monday morn so we can't get into work on Monday. Ho ray :-)) :-)) :} :} :D :embarrassed: ;D O0 {-) {-) %%
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 30, 2009, 06:19:11 PM
errr...no, if it snows I'll get called in to work to go either gritting or sweeping the bl**dy stuff! Oh look...I seem to have left my works phone in the van...oops!  %)

Hopefully I'll get the rigger wet this Sunday...good luck to you Bill, hope you hit the 70mph target!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 30, 2009, 07:06:18 PM
Bill get that thing opened up  ok2,theyre meant to corner at full tilt yaaknow  :}.Just messing mate but just for example id say the hydro i run is hitting top speed withing a few yrds the acceleration is frightening so you should be able to hit well over your 41 mph with yours no matter the size of the lake.Whats acceleration like from launch ?, it should be upto speed withing a few feet to be honest.Some video would be good so we can see how shes running.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 30, 2009, 07:54:46 PM
Hi Martin
It gets away just fine. I,m going to try out my Iridium plug it it this weekend. i am holding the engine back a bit longer as it has got a new piston bearings etc. It has just about 1 liter of fuel so far, not enough to be run in yet. I am thinking of going up to Milton Keynes in a few weeks time in the mean time I am happy just running it in. After all I don't want to do a 65 mile round trip with a boat that lets me down. When I do go to MK I will clock it again, i am sure it will be fine.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 30, 2009, 08:56:48 PM
Any of you guys ever considered fitting a wing to your hyros? Something like this...(pic attached)

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 30, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
Hi Rich . I don't need one as it is very stable so far.  Have a good run on Sunday.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 30, 2009, 09:35:42 PM
Cheers Bill...and you.

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 31, 2009, 08:49:50 AM
Ill be looking forward to seeing some video of your riggers guys  ok2,Bill if you need any setup tips have a look over on Jims boat dock theres lots of great info on there regarding riggers,believe me those things can be tricky to setup.Lots of things to adjust such as sponson angles as well as your usual strut adjustments etc,im sure you will get there in the end,out of interest what rigger prop are you using ?.
Rich no need for wings on most hydros,if you look at mine for instance the angle of the deck forward adds downforce to counter the lift created by the tunnell.They do look cool on the turbine style piccklefork hydros though.Heres a pic of one a friend of mine built from some Newton plans  looks very nice .Im thinking of designing an F1 tunnel style boat to take a zenoah motor,ill build the plug from foam and balsa then mould off it and make a glass one,mine will maybe have an inboard motor to start but i might fab up an outboard setup similar to the one in the pics,just need to find someone who can weld allumnium for me.I like the simple design of  this outboard setup,this guy has it on an aeromarine hull i believe.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 10:51:37 AM
Are you sure? That thing looks like something from NASA...are we talking like fast here? Or bl**dy fast?

Batteries arrived just now...it's a tight fit in there, I think they will go in. Be some wire shortening needed though...

Rich


(just thought...haven't got the charger yet!) Another classic Homer moment....doh!!
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 31, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
Looks good Rich.
Just one thing. Those Tamiya battery connections don't like lots of current and will get very HOT.  When you have done your first run check it over just in case. There is other types of connectors on the market that are 100% better.
Have a good run !
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 31, 2009, 12:00:44 PM
Actually Rich theyre not as fast as my roundnose hydro especially with that heavy outboard on the back,but they look cool and are pretty fast just difficult to turn at speed without blowing over apparently.heres a vid of my lads mini hydro with his old setup ,still nippy but since we changed servo to smaller and a new battery its much faster ,used to blow over a lot too but we got that sorted now,think it was too back heavy as we burnt out the orriginal mini servo and used a normal size one for these early test runs haha. Also checkout my zip gas hydro on my thread now thats bl**dy fast lol.I agree with Bill try some bullet connectors for your setup,also lipo batterys are better as theyre lighter,but you might want to save those for whe you change to a brushless setup  ok2.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MAeZbMIXJj8&feature=channel_page (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MAeZbMIXJj8&feature=channel_page)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 31, 2009, 12:33:52 PM
Link to my gas hydro build in case your interested Rich.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9838.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9838.0)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 01:20:30 PM
Thanks Mart...interesting viewing! (must remember my tablets tomorrow...)
That's a nice build mate, cracking looking boats aren't they?

Bill...no worries mate, that's just how the cell packs came. Euan sent me some gold plated bullet connectors for the cells, soon as I'm  done building the new stand I'm going to resolder the connectors to the cell packs.

Rich

(check out the sooper new boat stand...)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 31, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
Glad you like it mate yes theyre great looking boats and they run awesome ,even in chop which is good because its allways choppy where i run.Im half through building a plug of a similar one to my own design so i can make some glass ones,when i get close to paint and moulding ill post a few pics of it on a new thread.Good luck with your rigger tomorrow i like the look of it and the stand too  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 31, 2009, 02:55:34 PM
Rich. Nice stand, B&Q must be emptied out of plastic pipe fittings now.   :-)) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
I had to actually BUY the fittings for the stand Bill, there wasn't any in the stores at work.... >>:-( >>:-(  <*<


Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Davew on January 31, 2009, 03:43:34 PM
Hi
Rich hope you do not mind me asking where did you get that hydroplane from and did it come as a complete kit off parts ,as i fancy doing one there look great fun.
 
Thanks davew
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on January 31, 2009, 05:03:46 PM
Hi
Rich hope you do not mind me asking where did you get that hydroplane from and did it come as a complete kit off parts ,as i fancy doing one there look great fun.
 
Thanks davew
I started out witha Bilzard Ulta Hydro. http://www.finedesignrc.com/hullsclimate.asp there is a pic on this site. It is VERY easy to build and runs very well.
I got mine from Pandon models I know they are still in bis I just cant find there web site at the mo. If I find it I will post it up.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
Hi
Rich hope you do not mind me asking where did you get that hydroplane from and did it come as a complete kit off parts ,as i fancy doing one there look great fun.
 
Thanks davew

Hi Dave,

I bought this one as it is from Euan on this forum, it was built from a plan by a guy in Devon(builder name and plan unknown) There's plenty of plans available for riggers, have a look on the Model Boats forum (www.modelboats.co.uk (http://www.modelboats.co.uk)), go to their plans service and check out the Trident 20/40. I built one years ago, dead easy to make and pretty rapid with a decent motor in it.
You are better off asking Bill, Mart or Andy on here though, I know very little about riggers, only what I've learned from these guys recently.

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Davew on January 31, 2009, 05:14:28 PM
thanks lads i have a look around
davew
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on January 31, 2009, 05:20:31 PM
Hi
Rich hope you do not mind me asking where did you get that hydroplane from and did it come as a complete kit off parts ,as i fancy doing one there look great fun.
 
Thanks davew

As for riggers being great fun...I'll let you know after tomorrow's maiden voyage!!!   ;)

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on January 31, 2009, 08:40:19 PM
Dave if you need plans i can have a look for you im sure i might have some nice free hydro and maybe the odd rigger plan for small electric motors on a  disc somewhere,you just need to print them out .Give me a cpl of days and ill let you know what i can find.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on January 31, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Martin, Re the tunnel hull, I've seen one before that had a Zen inside the tunnel, at about 1/3 chord from the transom.

Actually now I think of it the bigger tunnels are powered by sterndrives with a whacking great V8 inside the boat.
See: http://www.mercuryracing.com/sterndrives/hp1200sci.php (http://www.mercuryracing.com/sterndrives/hp1200sci.php)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on February 01, 2009, 09:49:54 AM
Yea me too Andy and that link you just gave me has given me an idea,you can buy small scale replicas of v8 motors and i might try and incorporate one into the build so its visible and hide the zen under the canopy it would look killer,i do have that planned for a hydro ,I'm using a v8 hemi motor.I mentioned to some American tunnel guys about the inboard motor and they were less than complimentary about the idea seems they think all tunnels should have outboards  %),but then they would as they race outboard tunnels and don't allow inboards.I like the inboard idea for ease of setup and you could use standard running gear or if you can afford it use a sterndrive which would look pretty awesome,i have seen guys use those with a  dummy outboard fixed on top too so theres ways to make it look like an outboard if needed.Outboards tend to be hard to find for zens and i would think slower too plus the boat tends to be back heavy and hard to balance,i do like that outboard setup i showed which is a new invention,looks simple enough to make at home but then theres the servo power needed to turn them  :o.The more i think about it the more i think stick to inboard lol,leave the outboards for a smaller one in electric or nitro.Heres a cpl of videos of  inboard tunnels you can see in the second video how they use the fake outboard cover .
Mart
inboard tunnel
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_W3j1bblhm8&feature=channel_page (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_W3j1bblhm8&feature=channel_page)

this ones really flying
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vaYPBZMMwy8&feature=channel (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vaYPBZMMwy8&feature=channel)

someon i know has this replica in his boat
http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Classics-Dragster-Replica-Engine/dp/B000EFHO6O/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1233482349&sr=8-12 (http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Classics-Dragster-Replica-Engine/dp/B000EFHO6O/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1233482349&sr=8-12)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 02:03:40 PM
One of todays runs :-))

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqe7SRThq0 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqe7SRThq0)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on February 01, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
Looking better what speed did you manage with it today?,it takes a lot of nerve to keep the throttle down in the turn as i found out with the hydro but believe me thats what you have to do to get these things hauling so go for it mate   :-)) .Look forward to seeing it on a bigger lake Bill.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 04:21:48 PM
What you couldn't here in that video is me saying 'come on Bill faster you go better it turns' ok2

Didn't clock the speed today so dont know how fast it was going...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
I suspect it was around the 45MPH mark. Still trying to run the engine in. As and when i get it on a bigger lake it should be good for a lot more as i am having to pull it back to get round the corner.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on February 01, 2009, 04:57:19 PM
Hi Bill how do you mean pull it back to get round a corner ? it should turn at full tilt.As regards running the motor in dont go too steady mate these things dont need much running in,just keep the oil mix right and run a tad rich for a few tanks then give it the hammer ok2.Failing that give the radio to Andy  {-),only joking ill shut up now %).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 05:12:10 PM
Hey I'll have you know I've won more model car races than you've had cold sunday dinners for being at the lake too long ;)

I'll happily have a go at Llanberis Bill ok2 ok2 ok2 ok2
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
After the Money spent on it. NO WAY ANDY. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 05:20:07 PM
awwhh why not??

I wouldn't crash it...

And get back to the Z class stop slacking ;) ;D
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: dan on February 01, 2009, 05:40:13 PM
hi guys,
all the boats on this thread look fantastic and  great fun,
i dont want to steel the thread but what sort of hull would be best to start with with a small IC engine? im only looking for one or two websites
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
Do you have the engine?

We have a superb starter complete and ready to go in the shed
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 05:57:21 PM
Nicely done Bill, a good run by the sounds of it. I wimped out ( :embarrassed:) as it's been throwing it down with snow here, so I stayed in and started working out the wiring mods I have to do.

Rich

Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 06:11:40 PM
WIMP!!!

I was there this morning until nearly 12 sailing a metre yacht, Bill copped it at about 11 ish then more people turned up...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 06:14:57 PM
hi guys,
all the boats on this thread look fantastic and  great fun,
i dont want to steel the thread but what sort of hull would be best to start with with a small IC engine? im only looking for one or two websites
Hi Dan
Yes 1 or 2 ??
How fast do you want the boat to go?
Do you want to race it?
Or is it going to be a fun boat?
There is a very good RTR boat called a "SUPERVEE 27"  I have seen the build/test run DVD & it looks like a Good starter boat. Have a look at the OMRA web site. http://www.omra-uk.org/ There is sometimes some second hand boats on there. I hope that helps If not pm me. Cheers
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on February 01, 2009, 06:24:19 PM
Hey I'll have you know I've won more model car races than you've had cold sunday dinners for being at the lake too long ;)

I'll happily have a go at Llanberis Bill ok2 ok2 ok2 ok2

Haha Andy i figured you would have NO FEAR lol .Mind you i dont blame Bill ,id be the same after all the work hes put into his boat id be scared to let anyone have a go  ok2.
  Dan the best starter boat would be a small vee hull,take your pick theres usually lots on ebay.I dont have any right now but i will have some small  fibreglass vees in a cpl of weeks or so arround the 32" mark just a bare hull,theyre very fast little hulls drop me a pm if interested.Anything from a .21-.28 motor would work really well.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 06:27:39 PM
WIMP!!!

I was there this morning until nearly 12 sailing a metre yacht, Bill copped it at about 11 ish then more people turned up...

My excuse is that due to the inclement weather I might have been called in to work to go snow clearing. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it rigidly!!!  ok2

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 06:35:13 PM
No fear whatsoever, thats why my Crusader 3 WAS going to have a Zen in it, until everyone but Bill and Greg said it wouldn't work ;)

There is a nice little V hull in the shed as I say for £50 I think, has recently been done up and is ready to go. Powered by and SC 45 it went very nicely and quickly the other day, say if you are interested and I will take a pic when I next can.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 06:37:13 PM
Hi Martin.
Andy has NO chance of driving my Hydro.
It is fair to say that I was down the lake at 8.30 this morn. That was 1/2 hour before Andy showed up. Yes I did leave after i did 2 runs with the Hydro which is what I had intended to do. If Andy wanted to help out with them sailboat  Joby's no one forced him to stay there. Anyway I went home and carried on with my Z class boat. I am going to let Andy race it at Stevenage this year. Come to think of it I have not seen Andy Driving any Fast racing type boats because he hasn't got one that run's.  
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
Hehe you haven't seen the cars :-)

They're all packed away nicely at the moment for the winter, hopefully they won't do a Blue Peter Turtle on me and die in hibernation...

Will we see the Z next week, can't wait to see it :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
May be Next week for the Z class. I need a starter belt. Do you have a glow driver if so charge it up.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: dan on February 01, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
hi guys thanks for the quick replys.
firstly, i doubt i would race the boat as there are no clubs near me that hold any IC races so it would just be for fun. i would like it to reach about 30 mph or faster O0
Thanks for the offer andyn but i would like to have a go at assembling all the interior and have a go at my own paint job.
i do like the look on that orange Deep V looking hull on the last picture.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
Hi Dan.
Thats my Z class OMRA boat. I am building it up but the boat has been run by another owner. It has a 12 size engine, which is the class size engine. If I keep at it I may be running it next weekend.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 08:47:42 PM
Stick a nice leccie motor in it Bill...think Green!!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 01, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
Hi Rich
I don't think so. As for going green. It has been proven that after model power boats have been run on lakes the oxegen level goes up a bit in the water. Happy Fish. How greens that??? Seem even fish are petrol heads.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: dan on February 01, 2009, 10:15:13 PM
Hi Dan.
Thats my Z class OMRA boat. I am building it up but the boat has been run by another owner. It has a 12 size engine, which is the class size engine. If I keep at it I may be running it next weekend.

hi bill, if you can, take some pics, I'm sure everyone would like to see them.

Hi Rich
I don't think so. As for going green. It has been proven that after model power boats have been run on lakes the oxegen level goes up a bit in the water. Happy Fish. How greens that??? Seem even fish are petrol heads.

 {-) bet no ones come up with that excuse before, but its a good one
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 11:15:42 PM
Hi Rich
I don't think so. As for going green. It has been proven that after model power boats have been run on lakes the oxegen level goes up a bit in the water. Happy Fish. How greens that??? Seem even fish are petrol heads.

Terrific Bill, never heard that before...my piranha would just eat the boat!

Rich
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 02, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
I still think you're all mad-----but I have to say its great fun to watch ( and a bl**dy good laugh trying to photograph)   %)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 02, 2009, 05:01:51 PM
Don't worry Phil, I'll let you take some pics of mine...

Then accelerate away and get you wet ;)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 02, 2009, 05:38:45 PM
Thats not nice Andy. Hit him Phil. Found the leak in the radio box. Now glued up.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 02, 2009, 05:39:59 PM
Wuhayy where was it? The silicon rubbish round the side?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 02, 2009, 06:08:33 PM
Yes Andy. Seems there is a small hole for the Ariel to go out and it is not sealing at the bottom of the box.  More Glue !
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 02, 2009, 08:06:47 PM
Not my little light spot was it? {-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 02, 2009, 09:32:35 PM
Not my little light spot was it? {-)
No it was found by going all over it with a small light. Bingo found the very small hole. Now i'm going to have to get some glue. I'm going to name the boat  "Epoxy".
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 02, 2009, 10:23:22 PM
I'll be over some time tomorrow then to drop some off. Have tons of tubes lying around :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 03, 2009, 01:30:56 PM
Got your Rad fan Motor Andy. :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on February 03, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
Got your Rad fan Motor Andy. :-))


Wuhay, in all afternoon again? I'll drop your epoxy over
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 20, 2009, 09:38:12 AM
Progress Report.
I managed to get enough water to run on last Sunday, However there was still areas which was covered in Ice / old rubbish which had been lobed on the ice.
After a gentle warm up lap she/ i was ready to be opened up.  Yes Martin it dose turn a little better at speed. The lake is still to small to keep it flat out for long as we have loads of thick ducks who just love to get in the way. Still I did manage to get it up to a point where i hit something in the water and over she flipped (Twice) Still now I know she floats when she is upside down. Hope to get some more runs in this Sunday. 
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on February 28, 2009, 08:57:38 AM
Hows she running now Bill any luck getting her opened up yet ?.I found this vid for you it shows how easy it is to launch these yourself asuming you use a pistol type radio ,might keep Andy dry lol.
Mart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQmbbGduqU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQmbbGduqU)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 28, 2009, 12:07:23 PM
A dry Andy-----unheard of, and no fun    {-) {-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on February 28, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
Hi Martin / Phil
Yes she is going OK. The engine is just begin to loosen up after it's rebuild. I didn't get her out last Sunday as I didn't get in till 4 am the night before. (the joys of being a sound engineer) This did me a favorer as it went because I find a new model shop and he had a nearly new Futaba 2.4 RX for £45.00 Bargin at that price so I snapped it up. Anyway I wanted a RX to go in my springer tug. See springer tug section for pic's.
O well best get of so I can load the car. More sound engineering in London tonite.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 10, 2009, 01:32:04 AM
Hi DE hi
Made it in one bit to Sydney down under.
Been having a look at a real 314 mph recorder breaker called " Spirit of Australia" Dose any one have any plans of her????? I have an idea to put a ducted aircraft fan unit in it as the drive system. The reel one has a jet unit fitted. No I can't afford a working model turbine.
Have fun be back on soon.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on March 10, 2009, 04:52:24 PM
Heyloo there Bill, how's the holiday going? Any pics to post?

Don't bother with DF, youve seen one go, and you know it just broke the speed record of slowest boat ever at the lake :o
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 12, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
Andy wot dose DF stand for??? text me the anses
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on March 13, 2009, 08:10:29 AM
Can i have a guess ?,Ducted Fan  ok2.Must be the jet lag Bill  :}.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on March 13, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Correct Martin, got it in one :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on March 13, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
Do i win a  prize  :D,regarding that boat Bill the only propper  way to do it is a turbine but thats gonna cost hehe.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on March 13, 2009, 08:07:02 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Heward-Microjets-Wasp-Turbine_W0QQitemZ260375195985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item260375195985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Heward-Microjets-Wasp-Turbine_W0QQitemZ260375195985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item260375195985&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

£137 :o what a bargain, someone here go for it :-)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 15, 2009, 12:53:41 AM
OK you lot win. DF Ducked Fan unit . Jet lag. Yes just about got my head around the time diff. I am 11 hours in frount of UK time. Oh well the Boat dose look like a good bulid. I have taken lots of pic's of it and maybe next winter i will have a think at building it.
Keep on boating. Founds some reel good lakes to run my Hydro over here. Pitty the wife would not let me bring it.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on March 15, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
Hey Bill a mate of mine over there went boating on a lake that runs to the sea while boating there he noticed these fins coming out of the water,yup you guessed it SHARKS  :o.Anyone fancy retrieving a boat in shark infested water  {-).If theres no sharks theres allways the crocs lol  :D.
Mart
ok its an alligator but funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX0sBNcndYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX0sBNcndYU)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 17, 2009, 12:26:12 AM
Good one Martin
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 22, 2009, 05:55:44 AM
Ho ray!!! I have found some model boat hydros down under. Have taken a few photos but i can't unload them on this PC. If i get a chance I will post a pic latter this week. I meet these guys in a park just outside Melbourne. Loads of water and they don't seem to worry about how much nose they are making. They have some good looking fast elect and petrol boats out today. I wanted a go but I was to shy to ask????
I'm happy now i have had my fix. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on March 22, 2009, 01:26:06 PM
A guy i know in Aus runs the Rockett same as mine in sports hydro and it got a faster heat time than any of the other sports hydros in the open hydro class.Hes running a modded 231 zen so thats quite impressive,hes racing against whiplash hydros and others too so just shows these little zipp thunderbaoats are dam quick .
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on March 29, 2009, 07:53:03 AM
Hi one & all
Well I have found the Adelaide model boat club. I have a few pics to bore you all with when i get back. Have anyone seen Electric hydros and gas hydros in the same race??? Well it has been seen here today. When down under do as you like!!!!!.
Have fun boating in that nice cool weather. 29 deg C here today.
Cheers for now. I am off to Perth on Tues so I don't think I will get to see any more boating over here.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on March 29, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Theres a few boaters in Perth Bill,my mate is from there theres a club in Malaga about 30 km away but i just got off talking to him and he says theyre not running for two weeks unless theres the odd boater there on a weekend.Hes a member of this one himself  :-)).Theres another one at Mandurah about 1 hr drive South of Perth heres the website.They will be running next Sunday he says,handy having a mate in Perth on msn as i search the forums lol.Hope this helps,pitty his boats in dry dock or he said he would gladly show you round.
http://www.totalmarinerepairs.com.au/modelsite/ (http://www.totalmarinerepairs.com.au/modelsite/)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 01, 2009, 04:22:21 AM
Cheers Martin. Im not sure where we will be on Sunday ,but thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 01, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
How long you got left out there Bill?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on April 02, 2009, 08:08:29 AM
You missing yer Buddy Andy  ok2
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 02, 2009, 04:13:18 PM
It's lovely and quiet around here ;)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 05, 2009, 01:41:52 AM
I will be back!!!!!! Very soon
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 05, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
You will be back in time for the Z race then....
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 06, 2009, 03:35:28 AM
Pay Attention Andy. I will be back in the on Easter Sunday night, I will be in Cornwall at the time of our Z class race. Hence Why YOU will be driving the Z class????????????????? KEEP UP.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 06, 2009, 03:24:22 PM
I'm blonde on the inside...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 06, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
let mee, let mee, let mee, let mee,let mee, let mee, let mee, let mee,  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: catengineman on April 06, 2009, 11:35:17 PM
Your going to trust HIM????  :}

I'm blonde on the inside...

He may FORGET TO TURN !!!!!!! YOUR BOAT  %%

R, %%
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 07, 2009, 12:25:59 AM
I'm gonna be in this race to win O0 8)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 08, 2009, 03:59:01 AM
I have NO choice. My radio will not do a 320 mile range. However my boat will kick his armpit if he dose not come in up the top. Off to Hong Kong tonight. Already got my new engine so just have to window shop out there.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 12, 2009, 10:43:46 PM
Im Home
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 12, 2009, 10:54:54 PM
Oh Dear?? ;)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 13, 2009, 07:48:32 AM
OK Heres the frist of many pics taken down under.
The Hydro on the back of the pick up was taken at a park called Carribean park just outside Melbourne. The second is from the Adelaide club on the river Torren.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on April 13, 2009, 09:56:39 AM
Hi Bill that boat in your second pic with the crocs head and eyes i know the guy who owns that  ok2
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 13, 2009, 10:24:30 AM
Hi Martin
Is that the lawn mower / model boat owners shop??  I think Dale is the owners name. not sure his Son's name who is in the pic.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on April 13, 2009, 06:39:35 PM
Hi Martin
Is that the lawn mower / model boat owners shop??  I think Dale is the owners name. not sure his Son's name who is in the pic.
Dale thats him hes a member on rcu know him quite well over there,love the paint job on that hull.I could be wrong his son could be Jacob ? could be way off i know quite a few lads from Aus and i get mixed up must be my age haha.Oh by the way have yiou seen my new t boat yet? anyways heres a pic of her alsmost finnished.This ones going to my mate in Essex,rcmk motor fitted and hardwares fitted now just a few little things to tidy up etc.
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 13, 2009, 08:07:51 PM
You have bee a busy boy!
Funny enough I brought a RMCK engine of Dale while I was there. I had to post it home as it caused loads of agro at customs on the flight from Adelaide to Perth. I couldn't stand the agro all the way back at each airport. I hope it gets here this week, then i can fit it in my Makara.  What do you think to the engine? 4 crank bearings water cooled crank case must all be a +. Do you know what I have to do to tweek it?
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on April 14, 2009, 04:58:45 PM
Hi mate i havent run it but they look nice seems very beefy,a guy well known on the american forums reckons as regards modding them they are a modders dream so time will tell how good they can be.From all accounts theyre top notch although some early ones did have piston issues ,might be worth checking which piston yours has i think the ones with a hole in the piston are the problem ones but rcmk will replace it free of charge for you apparently.If yours has been run by Dale it should be ok though.Cant beat 5 hp for a little more cost than  a stock zenoah.Heres a good review on it by the modder i mentioned.
http://www.modelgasboats.com/Magazine_Content/Engines_and_Accessories/RCMK_S-254/ (http://www.modelgasboats.com/Magazine_Content/Engines_and_Accessories/RCMK_S-254/)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 14, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
Hi Martin
It dose have a good right up. I went for it for two ressons. 4 crank bearings , Water cooled crank, Oh 3 solid billet bottom end.  It just seems like a well engineered bit of kit. Dale told me there are things that can be down to tune it up, but I think I will run it in for a bit and then tweak it. A and when i do it I will see what he recomends to be done.That way I know it has been done before and it works.
Cheers for the link it was good stuff.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on April 14, 2009, 06:59:37 PM
Yea i think they seem like theyre a good company to deal with too,the fact that they have changed pistons when issues arose free of charge shows to me good customer service etc.I will be trying one out this summer for sure,even stock they seem pretty dam good motors and as you say well engineered.Keep an eye on that forum for a modded version soon as i know Scott will be doing a review on one soon .Hes modded one allready i believe just not done testing it yet.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: cbr900 on April 15, 2009, 02:56:45 PM
Bill,

You have yet to mention how the young fellow drove your boat,
while you were coming home...........

Roy
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 15, 2009, 04:43:43 PM
Ahh, haven't done it yet, the race is on May 3rd...

...lucky old g** is taking another holiday then...
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 15, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Hi Roy.
I will have to wait till Sunday to judge If the boy can do it!!!! I will post Sunday Night the outcome.
Andy Not so much of the OLD.  Git maybe but NOT OLD.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on April 19, 2009, 07:19:37 PM
Roy. Andy didn't even start the Zclass let alone drive it!!!!!!
Ran my Hydro today and it is going very well now.  All i need is somewhere BIG to give it all. Roll on Llanberis.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: andyn on April 19, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
Roy. Andy didn't even start the Zclass let alone drive it!!!!!!

That's cos you drove it.... %)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on May 22, 2009, 10:38:44 AM
The Hydro Will be at Wicksteed park on Saturday this weekend.  See you there. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on August 19, 2009, 05:40:06 PM
Well I finally got the rigger to run flat out at Llanberis last weekend. Wow !!!! Had a few probs with the HT coil mounting bracket but once that was overcome Tye rapes to the rescue. It went to clappers. There is now some pics and a video on the Llanberis tread.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: gwa84 on August 19, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
excellent that looks like it going like the clappers eny idea of speed  :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on August 19, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
excellent that looks like it going like the clappers eny idea of speed  :-))


Hi
I think it was doing the 60mph or there abouts. It was a wee bit choppy it may have got a little more speed if it he water was flat.. Still I'm very happy with the speed just got to short out the HT bracket and it will be ready for a Slow run round here at Stevenage.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on August 20, 2009, 12:17:47 PM
Wheres this thread you talk about Bill ?,did you gps it yet mate.I had the rocket gps'd last week at 61 mph right befor i flipped her.She has been much faster when i tested the ride pads but one almost came off so i removed them till i get time to epoxy them on.Im still hoping for the magic 70 from her  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: SteamboatPhil on August 20, 2009, 02:18:29 PM
All I can say is it was going bl**dy fast when it came past me in the rescue boat  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on August 20, 2009, 04:48:13 PM
Unfortunatley my mate missed the flip on the vid,she did a complete back flip about 8 ft into the air i almost **** myself  O0.
Mart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uvOdbGNkcM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uvOdbGNkcM)
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: Bill D203 on August 20, 2009, 06:28:06 PM
Hi Martin
Here is the youtube link. It was taken a bit to far away, but having all that water to play on was just brill. I don't care if it ain't the fastest Hydro it scares the S**t out of me. I think I have found out just how fast I want my models to go!!! Anyway enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shEgznYUvOg
Thanks to Ghost who seems to be the only one who got any video of my 3 runs.
Your boat runs well.
Title: Re: Gas 26cc Rigger/ Hydroplane
Post by: martno1fan on August 20, 2009, 09:38:10 PM
Cheers Bill she seems to run ok but def not reving out like she should,hard to say what speed she was doing from that vid but id say somewhere arround 45-50 mph.You wont know till you get a gps in there but im sure the boat can run much faster for you.Good luck with it im glad you had fun thats what its all about.
Mart