Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: kiwi96 on September 14, 2008, 09:29:12 am
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Hi everyone.
Im new here and have decided to post the progress of my latest build ( my 3rd ever model boat ), of the French battleship Richelieu in 1/96 scale as she appeared after her refit in New York.
I will endevour to take as any interesting photo's as possible to cover her buld. I may forget to show the start of a piece butwill make an effort to show once finished.
I have been researching her for about 6 years and have got a good set of 3 plans from Taubman's in 1/100 and rescaled. Also have a phopto copy of parts of an excellent book Richelieu cruises 1940 to 1955ish. Problem is it is in French but the pictures are in English thankfully.
This is my first attempt at making a hull. My good freind Art is helpiag as he has made many a hull in his days.
I have chosen to us a polystyrene bread and butter style to give the overall sahpe, it is then plastered with drywall compound, sanded then glassed over. Finished hull is left after poly is desolved.
My tiny ill equiped workshop.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7193.jpg)
Arts workshop and hull construction.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_6397.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_6396.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_6407.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/Adriansandingpolystyrene.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_6418.jpg)
Hull at present is sealed and awaiting to be glassed.
Cheers, Adrian.
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While the hulls plaster was drying, which took 5days due to the cold and damp period then we decided to make the main turret. I wanted to make a resin casting of this so both will be the same. My scratch building technique is to say the least is c**p. this is the second attempt. Lots of compound angles made it dificult to work out the set up of the bench saw but we got there 4 hours later.
this is sealed and sanded and awaiting some minor details and the rangefinder hoods.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7198.jpg)
Next onto the decks. I used 1.5mm ply for the 01 deck and for all deck levels within the main superstructure.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/DeckCutouts.jpg)
The forward superstructure is made up of 7 deck levels. each wll be build seperately and then mated together. 5mm balsa is the main sahpe former with packers to give the height. Then 1mm balsa is wraped around to enclose. this is then sealed, filled, and sanded 3 times.
01 and 02 levels.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7131.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/000_1017.jpg)
03 level test run.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/000_1020.jpg)
03,04,05 and 07 deck houses bening sealed and sanded.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7196.jpg)
Cheers till the next chapter, Adrian.
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A very interesting technique Adrian, many thanks for sharing the build process with us.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
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Only just spotted this build WOW :o :o :-))
Getting ahead of me with building and your superstructure is coming along nicely, will hunt out a link to some pictures i found of her over various years may be usefull to yourself.
Jay
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Adrian,
As requested here is the motor set up in Jay's
Bob
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Firther to my build have now completed all the superstructure components and the Funnel.
Aft 40mm tub supports. 5mm balsa and 1.5mm ply decks.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7197.jpg)
40mm supports finished.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7284.jpg)
Finished superstructure components.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7286.jpg)
Funnel under construction. 5mm balsa farme to be covered in 1.5mm sheet, filled and sanded.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7213.jpg)
What the basic superstructure and funnel will look like.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7226.jpg)
Finished funnel.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7282.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7283.jpg)
All that needs to be done now is a very light sand the a couple of coats of brush applied Humbrol 128.
Next chapter will be fitting W/T doors etc to Superstructure components and final assembly.
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A really interesting scratch build . For the record there are a number of excellent National Achive photos published in the book Warships and Warship Modelling which show in great detail Richelieu afer her refit in the US .
Bowwave :-))
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Your technique looks very interesting indeed, but finding solutions is all that matters.
As I am building the Richelieu in scale 1/200, I'll be happy to help in any way I can.
Good luck with the build.
Poul
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Not much to show for now. Was sailing in Cambridge for their Armistice rememberance weekend and my friend who is helping with the Richelieu hull turned up with it. Looks quite impressive. Still needs about 2 more layers of glass to be finished.
Richelieu Hull nearing completion. Still requires bow flare to be completed.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7373.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7371.jpg)
That is her Superstructure in pieces in the foreground.
Hope to post further progress soon.
Cheers, Adrian.
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Have a look at this superb model of Richelieu in scale 1:100 O0
http://www.modeliste27.com/richelieu.htm (http://www.modeliste27.com/richelieu.htm)
He is also close to finishing the Bismarck in 1:100 O0
http://www.modeliste27.com/bismarck.htm (http://www.modeliste27.com/bismarck.htm)
What an amazing modeller :-))
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While awaiting the hull have started to assemble and paint the hundreds of fittings.
Most have been bought from John Haynes. Some were intended for my HMS Belfast so am comprimising where can, they still look the part, but the majority purchased solely for the Richelieu.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7406.jpg)
The box to the right at the back holds 14x 40mm quads. The clear box on the left holds 46x 20mm
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7404.jpg)
45x W/T doors and 55x 20mm RU lockers ready to be painted. Stuck to card with double sided tape so keeps hands clean.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7409.jpg)
All painted and awaiting removal from tape and storage.
cheers till next chapter. Adrian.
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Happy New Year to everybody.
What with Christmas then New Years construction has been very slow. Should increase once kids back at school and with the recession work will be slow. Instead of going to the home office to work it will be into the garage to build. Ye ha.
Here are some pics of what I have been upto since last posting.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7423.jpg)
Start of the 4" gun Platform
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7427.jpg)
Outside shields completed. 0.25mm styrene with 1mm square top trim. 1.5mm ply base.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7429.jpg)
Internal stair railing and shell loading cabinets fitted.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7442.jpg)
4" guns placed to see what the finished platform will look like.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7441.jpg)
The look of completed platform.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7444.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7443.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7445.jpg)
Various 20mm gun tbs. 1.5mm ply base with 0.25mm styrene shields. to be trimmed with 1mm square to top edge.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7455.jpg)
All tubs completed and ready for painting.
Thats about all for now. Will post some more soon, as the recession bite I should get more time to build.
Cheers, Adrian.
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Have fianlly gotten around to working again on her.
Have made some masters and molds for vents. Need to make appro 30x of each type.
Timber masters. height srange from 12mm to 24mm.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7598.jpg)
Masters placed in molds awaiting silicone.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7599.jpg)
First castings from molds.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7602.jpg)
29 more to go.
Adrian
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Hi all.
Been a bit slow on the build lately. Have finally gotten around to completeing the details on the funnel.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7706.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_7710.jpg)
Just a light sand and a couple of top coats.
Cheers for now.
Adrian.
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Excellent work so far, Adrian! :-))
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Looking extremely nice :-))
Keep on posting photos please.
Ron.
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Just a quick update on progress of hull plug. Nearly there, just some final filling and shaping then off to get mould made. Hope to have first hull by November.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/Adrian005.jpg)
Stern view
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/Adrian008.jpg)
Bow view.
Hope to have some more progress photos soon.
Cheers, Adrian.
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Looking good Arian, but how many hulls do you need?
Poul
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Well finally been back to garage now weather has cololed off a few defress. Has been great to see progress at last on her again.
Glad to see post move up again and hopefully progress will continue.
Made the aft director that goes under the funnel.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_8620.jpg)
Photo of the individual director.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_8629.jpg)
Installed in correct place on funnel.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_8625.jpg)
Director and mast for atop finnel.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_8630.jpg)
Installed in correct position on upper 20mm deck.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_8631.jpg)
Complete funnel structure.
All directors and mast fitted. All supports for under platforms also installe.
Now only for paint and final fittings.
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Well winters finally caught up and after 150mm of rain the other day, tonight we got another 124mm in two hours. The building will have to come to a halt while the dockyard is drained and dried out. All plans, tools and completed bits on the work bench have been soaked from the overflowing gutter which then flowed inside and left 15mm on the floor. Next few days hopefully the sun will be out and I can get it dried out. Wife just went to work and flooding down the road was upto the sills on the car. Ended up getting a lift with Mr Plod in his 4x4 to the hospital for night shift.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9327.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9328.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9321.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9323.jpg)
Awaiting drier times,
Adrian.
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Although its been a bit cold to work quicker there have been some nice warm sunny days so have been able to get on and have made the two boat cranes. They should look better once painted. Hope you like them I think tthey came out OK.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9487.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9486.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9492.jpg)
Cheers everyone.
Adrian.
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Update on last post with cranes slightly modified to better resemble the originals. Also picture of tip with moving pulleys.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9495.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9497.jpg)
Thanks for looking.
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It is looking good there,
a nice looking model
have you seen this Richelieu?
http://www.wmunderway.8m.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1280585406/7#7 (http://www.wmunderway.8m.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1280585406/7#7)
Colin
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It's coming up really nicelly!!! Beautifull work my friend!
Cheers Yannis
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Colin, Thanks for the link. I view WMU often and that had slipped by me. Thanks again. Adrian.
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Building progressing slowly as abit cold in the garage lately.
Have just finished what I call the VENTURI rail on a few levels of the super structure.
Take approx 200 11mm x 2mm triangles
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9570.jpg)
Glue to shaped timber solid railing.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9574.jpg)
Add top deflector made from styrene plastic.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9678.jpg)
Completed VENTURI railing.In all about 3 hours work.
Next step is to fit superstructure bodies and then assemble Superstructure tower
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Nice job So far...Will look forward to her completion
Freebooter
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Well its warmed up a bit so can venture into the garage at night and build some more. Work also is quiet so spending most days there too.
Here are some photo's of progress to date on the superstructure. Awaiting some paints from W.E.M. so can apply camoflage prior to final assembly.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9752.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9754.jpg)
The many pieces which will be mated together to form superstructure tower.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9750.jpg)
Superstructure from side.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/100_9748.jpg)
Superstructure from rear.
Hope this gives you an indication of what she will look like completed.
Cheers till next update.
Adrian.
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Looking Great Adrian - when you see the complicated lines of the superstructure I'm glad I'm only building
a destroyer. Look forward to next update.
Geoff
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Hi Adrian very good technik about scratch
very good :-))
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You're doing a great job on a beautiful ship. It'll be really worth it in the end.
Tony :-))
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Well with the end of the year looming I thought it was time to get ready to continue my build of the Richelieu. Having moved house in Feb and all boats stored at the back of the garage behind all the usual house hold STUFF it is just about at the front now. So took the hull back to my friend Art in Auckland to allow him to finish th plug and turn out some hulls. That will leave me time to paint the superstructure and assemble more of the fittings. Photo is of me at Arts workshop with superstructure placed as he had not seen it for over two years. She will be a fine model when finally finished. Trying to get sorted for the Armistice weekend regatta in Cambridge next year.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/DSCF0012.jpg)
Will keep posted on progress.
Have a great Christmas and New Year. Boxing day here already. Santa was kind this year but sadly no models or tools. Oh well these always my Birthday in June.
Cheers,
Adrian.
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Hello Adrian
great work :-)) I hope you rework on your Richelieu !if I can help you in the documentation,I would gladly.
OK !it is not in your scale ok2 but I'll put the links of my first project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=75145
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=149513
now I'll have a look at this forum which is replete of real artists %%
best regards from Paris France
Nicolas
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Well my friend has finally gotten around to start work on glassing up her hull. Hope to have her in my shop in a few weeks.
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MMMM, Smooth. Lovely balanced shape. This will be a topic I shall follow:O)
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Hello Kiwi
Theres one big model of this ship for sale here in Sweden, scratchbuild I Think due the big size of 246 cm :o
http://www.blocket.se/malmo/Unikt_handgjort_krigsfartyg___Richelieu_56296345.htm?ca=15&w=3 (http://www.blocket.se/malmo/Unikt_handgjort_krigsfartyg___Richelieu_56296345.htm?ca=15&w=3)
Cheers
Jack
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Yes look like scratch built. At that size either 1:96 or closer to 1:100.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Well finally hull has arrived back from fibreglass shop.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/CAM00212_zps262f9aae.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/captainherc/media/CAM00212_zps262f9aae.jpg.html)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/CAM00211_zpsdb6421f5.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/captainherc/media/CAM00211_zpsdb6421f5.jpg.html)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd34/captainherc/CAM00210_zps80539780.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/captainherc/media/CAM00210_zps80539780.jpg.html)
Looks Great. Now the real work begins.
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I have seen smaller kayaks! It looks really inspiring and cannot wait to see the superstructure on her.
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Hi
We have build it's sister ship the Jean Bart in 1/100. The build started in 1979 end was finish in 1983. The ship complete functional and de main and secondaire torreds are werking.
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=TQNKNNIM#AGDLWZZT (http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=TQNKNNIM#AGDLWZZT)
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Well after many years in the making I now finally have the hull in the workshop.
Looking forward to starting work on her.
My fibre glass guy says the mould is good for 8-10 hulls. If anyone interested please contact me for price.
Cheers.
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Its been a while since been here.
Well work on her is progressing although slowly.
Have fitted bulkheads and deck supports.
Made the deck and fitted. All good.
Have also painted the superstructure. Will post photos later when get some.
Cheers
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Its great to see you back and whittling again Kiwi96. You have a lovely bit of carpentry there.
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I'm also finding your techniques interesting - I'll just tag along. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Thanks for your comments Ray.
I'm no expert. This is only my third model. And first mostly scratch built. I'm still learning too.
Cheers.
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Wow that's an awesome model you have there!! :-) :-)) :-)
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Photos of painted superstructure.
As seen in earlier photos on here all scratch built.
As the paint is a good MATT finish I was wondering about a spray of MATT sealer just so the dust over the years does not get too deep into it and is then not able to be brushed off. Any suggestions.
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I remember you doing all those little angle stiffeners. You have caught the look of the superstructure well.
As for Matt varnish, it will at least protect the paint from light dinks, but as for sticky dust prevention I am not sure.
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Thanks.
Will try a sample on a separate piece and leave it out and see what happens.
Just noticed also how small the superstructure is in comparison to the Missouri behind it under the cover.
They will interesting sailing together.
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This seems to be the course for battleships with all their main armament up front as the Nelsons have less superstructure, though it is blockier than the Richeleiu's.
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Hi Kiwi
Just signing in to make sure I dont miss seeing your updates. Impressive so far and I'm sure will only get better.
Dave
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Good to see you back at it Kiwi! :-))
Stunning work, the superstructure is amazing.
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Just received this book in the post. A great reference guide as the number of photos on the WWW are far and few beyond. I think in all my years of searching I have copies of all Web photos.
Would recommend this book series to any avid modeller.
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Yes, I had a look at one at a model show recently and thought it looked well worth the price.
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Well I have now completed painting the main deck. I also have coated all parts made to date with a Clear satin sealer to make them easier to dust when the time comes. Looks good. Put on a bit heavy in few places but over time the slight gloss will fade and get dusty so not too concerned.
Also have fitted 246 port holes to the hull. Used John Haynes and removed the brow so just had a round ring. I know should be flush with hull surface but I put like this on my Belfast and once painted look OK. Was easier than trying to drill sand fill or paint them on. In all took about 3 hours.
Next step is to attach the superstructure base to the deck and start fitting it out from bottom layer to top layer. Will post progress of this as I go.
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I salute your efforts in chopping and sanding all those rigols off! Your hull looks excellent.
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Latest update.
Have finished painting the hull apart from black water line. This being done over next few weeks.
Then onto superstructure assembly.
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Lovely sharp and clean paint job, can't wait to see the next instalment! :-))
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Amen! I like the look of your workshop as well. Have you upgraded it recently? It seems to have more cupbaords etc.
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Since I started this build I have moved house 3 times.
Final place is the old double garage under the house.
Had to build entrance foyer and that left a singe space for a car. I put in a glass sliding door. Built the cupboards and a work bench down the sides. There is as you can see also storage under my work table. In all pretty good.
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Hopefully it is the 'Mancave' of your dreams!
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It is Ok. I separated a few years ago. My workshop is at her place as she is in my old house. I get to be there a few days a week when child minding so best both worlds. Can work on my ships many house at a time and not get nagged as being selfish and not attending to her needs. Then once she is home from work I leave to my house.
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Update.
Not been doing much lately due work. :((
Finally finished painting hull and started fitting superstructure.
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You know a model is big when you mistake the pin vice for part of the superstructure!
I am glad to see you back and I love the camo scheme. She model is becoming very attractive.
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Update. Not much happening. Just dropped her off to my friend to install all the running gear and radio control battery systems. At least progress is going forward. Will post photos as he supplies them to me.
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Well I should give my friend the entire model to make. He has had hull for a week now. Has fitted the rudder and all four shafts and props. Now only the RC gear to install once I get it to him. Some photos to follow.
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Rudder Photos
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Shafts and props
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Shafts and props 2
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Hello Kiwi,
beautiful work of a beautiful ship! Richelieu will be sailing the southern seas once again, yeah! :-))
I'm not sure where you got your plans from, but, regarding litterature, René Sarnet Book is a must as well as Robert Dumas:
ISBN 2-909675-75-0
ISBN 2-909675-32-7
Both out of prints, but sometimes available on EBay. They comprise hundreds of pictures of the actual ship. %%
If you had these references, and if you are open to a bit of positive criticism, the paint job on starboard is not correct:
(https://i.imgur.com/cOxmQte.jpg)
Also, the ship was painted with spray guns.
Anyhow, I fancy myself as a bit of a buff on 1943's (October especially) Richelieu, so, if you need any data, any photos, please ask.
Also, do not forget to get yourself the Richelieu afficionado's collection of sailor's badges!
(https://i.imgur.com/XiDrz13.jpg)
Ignore the 20mm shell, that's German (You know them: they always pop in when you least expect them... >>:-()
or an original "Bachi":
(https://i.imgur.com/qp9yBby.jpg)
Cheers,
Serge
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Is your cadet :} assisting you in your epic build Serge?
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Is your cadet :} assisting you in your epic build Serge?
Well, not really. The funny thing about this cadet is that he tends to assume control of the ship as soon as it's in the water.
cheers
Serge
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Edit: oops, wrong thread
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Sorry Kiwi96! I got very confused.
It is a joy to have two models of the same battleship being worked on at the same time.
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Hello Kiwi,
I'd like to further illustrate the camouflage details of a 1943 Richelieu. Basically, as she got out of Brooklyn shipyard for sea trials in chesapeake Bay, she was painted using USN "Measure 32" paints and paint scheme. this same scheme you can find on US battleships:
(http://www.worldwar2facts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/USS-North-Carolina-BB-55.jpg)
The palette is here:
(https://i.imgur.com/QPoree6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tVGSrI6.jpg)
and Measure 32 uses:
•5-L light Gray (side & superstructure)
•5-O Ocean Gray (side & superstructure)
•20-B 1942 revised Deck Blue (all horizontal surfaces)
To get back to the "Rich" (as we call it in France) here is a photo taken in October 1943 in Chesapeake Bay of the port side in color:
(https://i.imgur.com/mvUm68U.jpg)
somemore in B&W:
(https://i.imgur.com/Q2ofM0p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tAjOZFL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SG3aecE.jpg)
Notice the paint scheme of the gun barrels:
(https://i.imgur.com/iyNax7U.jpg)
Again, since we are doing the same version, don't hesitate to ask. I am not sure if you want an historically accurate model, but there are différences between superstructures on a monthly basis... Sailors were busy with the welding torch.
As soon as she reached Ceylon as part of Royal Navy's East Indian Fleet, the paint scheme gets very murky as some US paint was mixed with some RN paint. But generally, she bore something like RN camouflage.
Cheers
Serge
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bonjour
une jolie réalisation, je suis en cours de réalisation aussi du richelieu, j'utilise les nouvelles technologies (cnc, photodécoupe) mais une question quel plan avez vous utilisé
cordialement
stephane
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These are the plans I'm using
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bonjour
je vois que le plan proviens des amis du musée de la marine, j'ai des plan d'origine polonaise plus précis, je peut vous les envoyé gratuitement par mail
si vous été votre intéressé pourriez vous me donné votre adresse mail, en plus j'ai les plan originaux de la marine française de 1940
mon mail: stephanejeanjouve@hotmail.fr
cordialement
stephane