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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: gary r uk on August 26, 2006, 05:20:52 pm

Title: PSSHIPS
Post by: gary r uk on August 26, 2006, 05:20:52 pm
Hi Guys
Paul will not be able to please all of us but if we vote at least he will have some idea on what some of his customers would like him to produce.
I have no connection to PSSHips
Paul hope you do not mind this poll i will remove it if you do
cheers
gary rowe
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Shipmate60 on August 26, 2006, 11:30:04 pm
1/72 Scale models.
Good size and great sea boats, even some of the long thin warships.

Bob
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Post by: Ghost in the shell on August 27, 2006, 12:14:50 am
some 200th and 350th bits would be nice as well for the nichimo yamato and the tamiya warships
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Post by: Mankster on August 27, 2006, 01:44:29 am
Y;d like a Type 45, ok may be its a bit too soon to see this. Some subs please, 50-60" range would be nice.
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Post by: jumpin_jack on August 27, 2006, 06:48:14 am
Yep I 'd second the Type 45 :)
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Post by: cbr900 on August 27, 2006, 02:33:43 pm
Yes we need more subs Paul!, in case you missed it we need more subs...>


Roy
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Post by: warspite on August 27, 2006, 06:25:48 pm
What about cruise liners, some of the newer ones look reasonable

or is this sacresant
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Post by: colin-stevens on August 27, 2006, 09:04:16 pm
subs, subs and more subs.
fed up with stuffing up me own. hard to critizize my own builds.
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Post by: DavieTait on August 28, 2006, 11:49:30 pm
As i mentioned in the other thread i'd be up for a 48" Sverdlov class cruiser.
(http://www.russianwarrior.com/Images/47sverdlov800.jpg)
As for the T45's this guy has a lot of good images
T45 pics 1 (http://www.bwa.fotopic.net/p27092079.html)
T45 pics of launch (http://navyphotos.fotopic.net/c850305_1.html)
(http://www.shipspotting.com/uploads/photos/271082.jpg)
Davie
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: warspite on August 29, 2006, 12:25:16 am
looking at the other views of here being launched, i get the feeling that the HSE have had a say in that there is very few places to fall overboard ;D ;D
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: warspite on August 29, 2006, 12:28:34 am
oh its like that eh :D :D
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Post by: warspite on August 29, 2006, 12:30:07 am
i'll get me coat
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Post by: Shipmate60 on August 29, 2006, 01:13:19 am
Paul,
The first one to produce a Type 45 could sell a good few.

Bob
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on August 30, 2006, 09:23:20 pm
I appreciate the art of model making is in making or building most of the superstructure and mast but some of us aint too good at it  :( so, how about some parts such as superstructure and masts ready moulded?

Just a thought (PS that Type 45 looks good!)
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: chromedome on August 31, 2006, 09:05:26 am
good point there.but building the superstructure in the Zulu kit,has made me realise,I i think i could maybe scratch build after all!!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on August 31, 2006, 11:36:14 am
good point there.but building the superstructure in the Zulu kit,has made me realise,I i think i could maybe scratch build after all!!

Know exactly what you mean  ;)
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: maninthestreet on August 31, 2006, 11:46:58 am
Sloping sides on the superstructure can be difficult to get right, certainly not as easy as a rectangular box-like structure.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Daryl on August 31, 2006, 12:58:45 pm
As well as a Type 45, I would like to see an Astute class sub as well as a Swiftshire class.

Daryl
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: philk on September 02, 2006, 09:32:43 pm
hi there
our treasurer at the cygnets dave shirley has had his type 45 on the water 18 months
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Mankster on September 02, 2006, 10:18:53 pm
Thats a nice effort, too bad the picture is low res. It wont be possible to build an accurate 45 till HMS Daring hits the water and some pictures of the detail become available :'(. I'll only be after an accurate scale model of this ship though.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 02, 2006, 10:46:06 pm
Well, here's the front bit anyway!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 02, 2006, 10:54:37 pm
Seen being towed out of Portsmouth for Rosyth last month.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 02, 2006, 10:58:16 pm
Its the effect of the naval cuts. They can only afford to build the front third of each hull. Saves a lot of money.... ;)
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 02, 2006, 11:08:31 pm
I'm told they're going to mount a ginormous outboard motor on the back...
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 02, 2006, 11:19:03 pm
In 10 years time the biggest ship in the navy will be the Victory!
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Post by: warspite on September 02, 2006, 11:30:11 pm
So what??
 Is it accurate??
 H'mm, I think not?
 Paul...

Had to reply to this

Previous posts etc have mentioned in the past of the hobby, whereby the general concensus is that, we collectively produce model boats, some to scale, some as highly detailed as Paul's or jimmy's (credit where credits due) and some look like the boat we want and have no detail and are very very basic. My point being that 18+ months ago the only available data for a 45, was in the trade mags where 'artists' impressions were shown, to make a vessel based upon these sketches is a test to the modeller doing his or her own thing, mocking someone because it is not accurate is not on, at least they had a model of the 45, had took the time and interest to make it, so what, so come on credit where credit is due.

But what do i know, i wont mock someone because it is not accurate or to scale
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: warspite on September 02, 2006, 11:33:50 pm
They are looking at making UAV's with guns so a snotty spotty nosed undergrade with an addiction to playstation fly it in combat and if he gets it shot down then he takes another out of the holding pattern in the safe air space, flying virtual, Thats going to be progress for you, wont stop friendly fire though.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: warspite on September 02, 2006, 11:59:56 pm
I couldn't get on a horse (i'm too short, bad back, old, you name it). text can be interpreted different ways by different people, look at the reply you gave and the HMM i think not could be interpreted different to the way you intended it, i.e. i interpreted it as sarcasim, but thats me, i dont know you personnally so i should not judge your input without reasonable cause.

So if you think i have offended you please accept my apologies.

Yes i agree we are all in this for the fun.

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Post by: warspite on September 03, 2006, 12:06:51 am
noticed - i mean -  noted ;D
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Post by: ambernblu on September 03, 2006, 11:04:09 am

... thinking of having a go at one of these new class 45's myself - I probably already have a reasonable hull, so a couple of cardboard boxes, empty domestos bottle and a ping pong ball and i won't be far wrong then!  :D

Should look as good the real thing about 40 yards out on the pond (well except for the not to same scale bushes and trees on the far bank of course...!!)  ;D
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Shipmate60 on September 03, 2006, 11:59:19 am
So u gonna produce a Type 45 Paul.
1/72 scale would make a good model, plus there arent many fittings for 1/72.
A gap in the market?
Yes I know Sirmar produce a limited range, so could be expanded, but not teaching you to suck eggs.

Bob
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Craig Kane on September 03, 2006, 02:06:57 pm
Looking forward to this one if it ever comes out.
Who knows.....at this rate, we'll have more model Type 45's built before the first real one enters service!!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Daryl on September 03, 2006, 10:17:15 pm
According to one of the people we mett in the Future Navy tent at Plymouth Navy Days last weekend, they are building 6 with an option of two more which is very likley to go ahead. There is a clausein the contract that gives the government an option to build another 4 on top of that to bring the class upto 12. This at this moment seems unlikley and 6 is a more realistic possibility.

In the design but not yet installed are options for Harpoon missiles and anti-submarine torpedos. The guy we spoke to seemed tobe of the opionion that these are likley to be fitted at a later date to one or more of the later ships underconstuction. All in all quite a powerful ship.

Daryl
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 03, 2006, 10:42:52 pm
The type 45s are intended to be very capable warships of almost light cruiser size. The problem with the Navy of the future is that, despite the quality of the ships, there simply won't be enough of them. You may have the best warship in the world but it can only be in one place at a time which seriously limits future operational options.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Daryl on September 04, 2006, 09:19:10 am
I agree, we need more ships not less. I have read in the Navy News that one idea being banded around is to change ships crews whilst on deployment so that they don't have to sail back to the UK and remain on station longer. Needless to say this is not going down too well with the rank and file.

Daryl
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on September 05, 2006, 05:10:43 pm
Financially, we can't afford more navy ships. Unless we all want to pay more taxes!
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 05, 2006, 05:59:02 pm
Or the taxes we do pay are spent differently. I read at the weekend that the Government employs 3,200 press officers. This country is supposed to be richer than it's ever been but compare the size of the navy now with what we had in the early 1900s, the 1930s and even the 1950s.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Shipmate60 on September 05, 2006, 11:59:08 pm
The last 2 are being called HMS Doubtful and HMS Dubious,
Seems daft to cut down on the newest, future capable ships, (they even have empty compartments for future equipment).
If the new Carriers are ever built where will we get their Battle Group from?

Lucky bags!!


Bob
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: cbr900 on September 06, 2006, 05:32:17 am
Hey Bob,

What are they Dubious and Doubtful whether they will make any more..

Roy
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Post by: tolnedra on September 18, 2006, 11:33:00 pm
In reply to Daryl, my first foriegn commission was HMS Newcastle. We were the first cruiser to recommission on station. by flying out to Singapore in old prop driven aircraft, and this was in November 1955, so it ain't nothin' new!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Daryl on September 19, 2006, 09:12:31 am
And probibley will we the same shambles. Lets hope common sense prevails and this idea is dropped and more ships are built.

Daryl
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: maninthestreet on September 19, 2006, 03:31:21 pm
Financially, we can't afford more navy ships. Unless we all want to pay more taxes!


...or stop paying child benefit for foreign children who don't live in this country, have never lived in this country and may never live in this country.
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Post by: Shipmate60 on September 19, 2006, 06:43:38 pm
They wont all be built, why. there was originally 12 to be ordered and now 4 possibly 6.
And the new carriers?

Bob
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 19, 2006, 07:15:07 pm
Probably like the new French one, Charles De Gaulle. When it was completed they found the flight deck wasn't long enough to fly off the planes intended to operate from it. It also had other problems - see here: http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2003127.asp

I see that there is to be a further review of UK naval dockyard facilities - with less ships in the fleet they won't need so much supporting infrastructure which will in turn no doubt be used to argue against future expansion plans. These politicians frighten me. They simply have no idea whatsoever when it comes to defence requirements - just look at the latest Afganistan fiasco.

Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Barthez on September 19, 2006, 08:40:13 pm
If you cast your mind back to the early 80's the government asked John Knott to  conduct a review of the fleet and recomended very drastic cuts. The invicible was to sold to the Aussies. the falkland war saw his radical cuts put aside.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 19, 2006, 09:00:08 pm
I remember it very well. John Knott was an incompetent!
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Post by: justboatonic on September 19, 2006, 09:06:51 pm
I remember it very well. John Knott was an incompetent!
Yes,soincompetent,he got a knighthood!

How I laughed and laughed when Robin Day interviewed him shortly after the Falklands and the uptight git stormed out of the interview live on air. Day only mentioned tohimabout being a 'here today, gone tomorrow' politician!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 19, 2006, 10:08:22 pm
Paul, this is serious stuff - the fate of the Nation depends upon it! Without a proper navy the Country may be invaded and our wives and children carried off into slavery... Remember Nelson!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on September 19, 2006, 10:36:39 pm
Yessir! I stand corrected.  ;)
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: cbr900 on September 20, 2006, 05:37:10 am
Paul,

Sorry mate have to disagree with you, as if the pollies get rid of the Navy, we will have no more new models of R N ships...


Roy
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: cbr900 on September 20, 2006, 08:01:01 am
Ok Paul I will go quietly, but just one thing you mentioned conscription, yes bring it back and get some of the no hoper's of the street, may make for more peaceful neighbourhoods...

Roy
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: cdsc123 on January 27, 2007, 11:24:34 am
HMS Dauntless has just been launched now.
Interesting reading;
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/daring1-1.htm
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on January 27, 2007, 04:04:54 pm
A destroyer at 8000 tons! That's cruiser territory isnt it?
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Post by: cdsc123 on January 27, 2007, 05:49:06 pm
The County Class weighed in at under 7000 tons, and people said the same about them!
Speaking of which, Almirante Cochrane (ex HMS Antrim) has just been decommissioned from the Chilean Navy, wouldn't it be nice if HMS Belfast could have some company...
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on January 27, 2007, 11:18:14 pm
The County Class weighed in at under 7000 tons, and people said the same about them!
Speaking of which, Almirante Cochrane (ex HMS Antrim) has just been decommissioned from the Chilean Navy, wouldn't it be nice if HMS Belfast could have some company...
Seems like we sell a lot of our ships to the Chilean navy! ex Sheffield's there to name one plus, another County Class destroyer (another Almirante something) sunk while under tow to the scrapyard.

Must admit, I think that class of county destroyers looked good an all.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Turbulent on January 28, 2007, 11:13:22 am
Calling them Destroyers the Navy got to keep them , like calling Invinc' a throught deck cruiser & not an aircraft carrier.

Nice idea about Belfast etc, but it will never happen, Just look at the farce surrounding HMS Plymouth, if it wasnt for individuals we'd have nothing left of our heritage.

We have the greatest Navy in the world with a tradition going back over 200 years but as usual we seem to push it under the carpet so that we dont "offend" anybody.

We invented the bloody Dreadnought & ruled the seas with them, did we keep one as a reminder of British Engineering prowess? Say what you like about the Yanks, but at least they are proud of their history.
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Post by: cdsc123 on January 28, 2007, 11:46:54 am
The pre-dreadnought preserved in Japan was built in the UK wasn't it? That's better than nothing. Such a pity Warspite wasn't kept as a museum ship, as I understand there were moves made in that direction but nothing came of them, meanwhile the ship just wouldn't go to the scrappers quietly. Best looking post-war naval ships undoubtedly the County Class, be nice if one were kept. What's the current situation with the Plymouth and her companions? Last I heard Bronnington was up for the chop.
My scene is more WW2 small wooden ex-service craft, there are a few enjoying very good care at the moment in the UK, HDML 1387 Medusa (owned by a trust) received a lottery grant for a rebuild, Vosper prototype MTB 102 continues to be well maintained, RAF HSL 102 and RN MGB 81 are in private ownership, completely rebuilt and running modern diesels. The Fairmile Bs of the Western Lady Ferry Co have been on the market for a while, there are rumours one may be taken on by someone with the means for her restoration and return to original configurqation. Sadly however many famous types are no longer represented, not even by shabby old houseboats (e.g. the Fairmile D).     
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: justboatonic on January 28, 2007, 06:31:12 pm
Done a bit of ferreting about on the net and found some info about the countys in Chile. They extended the deck where the seaslug launcher was to the stern and made a quarter deck below! Looked really weird. Unfortunately I cant find the web pages now! D'oh!
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: maninthestreet on January 29, 2007, 03:29:26 pm
Some pictures here:

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/hmsfife/chile.htm
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Shipmate60 on February 11, 2007, 12:37:47 pm
Paul and Dunc
Go and stand in the naughty corner till you can both shake hands and make up.
I dont know you Dunc, but Paul one question?
How come when I phone you about fittings or modelling you come across as a nice guy.
But a real GOG on here?
Dunc, we are a broad church on here, with over 1000 members we have all sorts, we are people who happen to make models, it certainly dont turn me into an angel, ask my staff or even the missus!

Bob
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: John W E on February 11, 2007, 07:14:14 pm
Hi ya Paul

I am in desparate need of some special fittings  ;D  the fittings are for my new build a Type 47XB

can you assist, as a matter of urgency  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aye
john e
bluebird
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: prinzeugen on February 11, 2007, 07:47:30 pm
Excuse me going off at a tangent,but I  gave up flying when some pro who cast nasturtium's on my very stand-off FW190 because the rx wire came out behind the cockpit and went to the fin  was to thick for the scale (1/5th)!!!

He  built quite nice models but every weekend would nearly kill us all on the flight line.... and that was just his taxing. :o

So let's all just live and let live (said Caesar to Brutus)
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: colin-stevens on February 11, 2007, 09:12:33 pm
must have missewd something. this thread does seem a bit disjointed.
lets get it back on track or as colin b says, wind it up, before any more harsh words.
colin S.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Mayhem Moderation on February 11, 2007, 09:14:25 pm

Topic moderated.

Have you seen the latest Model Boat Mag? - PSSHIPS gets a 2 page write up.... but Paul's not that hairy in real life, it's all make up.  ::)


Martin... sitting firmly on the fence.

Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: PSSHIPS on February 11, 2007, 09:15:19 pm
Thanks Martin.
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 11, 2007, 09:27:44 pm
Quote
but Paul's not that hairy in real life

It all goes into the laminate, the hulls are indestructible...   ;D
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: PSSHIPS on February 11, 2007, 09:29:44 pm
Have you seen that cuppa soup advert with the hug thing?
 You lot better watch out!
 I'm even more hairy now, going on for Chewbacca.

 Paul...
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: paul K on August 31, 2007, 02:18:00 pm
More modern day navy 1/72 fittings please !!!!!.

We seem to be able to get 1/72 hulls but not that many fittings . I know you can get them, with a struggle, from Australia and the Task Force 72 lads. Why not go all the way and produce the same fittings that you can get in 1/96 in 1/72 scale.

The projects the TF72 lads have built are very impressive in this scale. Would 1/72 not be more stable than 1/96 and better suited to meet our weather we have over here - wind, rain etc etc.

I know someone is going to say what about the size in 1/72  -but there is always ways and means to get around that one.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on August 31, 2007, 02:53:54 pm
Would 1/72 not be more stable than 1/96 and better suited to meet our weather we have over here - wind, rain etc etc.

I know someone is going to say what about the size in 1/72  -but there is always ways and means to get around that one.

I think it's a better scale for survivability. And visual impact.

There's something vaguely natural about building in 1/72nd scale, too. I think it stems from my childhood years gluing myself to Airfix products.  :)

This was the state (and size) of my HMS Dreadnought, a year and a half ago...

(http://personal.strath.ac.uk/andrew.goddard/dreadnought21.jpg)

I'm currently working on what feels like my 5000th plate, and I'm soon to lay her decks. A selection of RN WW1 fittings would be lovely, and I'd bet there'd be a market for them.

Andy
Title: Re: PSSHIPS
Post by: Jonty on September 03, 2007, 08:47:12 pm
  Something French for the weekend, Sir?

  A La Fayette class, for instance. Stealthy with French style - and hardly a fitting in sight!