Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on October 07, 2008, 09:05:05 am
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Anyone been following this?
The Box: Current location
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7600053.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7600053.stm)
BBC News is following a container around world for a year to tell story of globalisation and world economy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/business/2008/the_box/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/business/2008/the_box/default.stm)
Build your own container!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/16_09_08_bbc_box_d_hathaway.pdf (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/16_09_08_bbc_box_d_hathaway.pdf)
Where can I find information about loading containers on a ship?
Methods, equipment, rules etc. etc..... just coffee table info!
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Martin...you are working FAR too hard, mate. Go lay down somewhere and take your medication....
Rich
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Martin once the medication wears off,watch discovery channel,how do they do it,shows how stuffs shipped around.thats if you can get the channel
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Martin I am siriously going to try to organize a few people to do this. How do you send a container? Is it possible to put a charging station inside the container and a little robot (maybe even an rc robot) that would go out of the container at night and stealthly explore the ship?
Is there any way to remotely control the robot when it's many miles far away?
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Hi Martin , what info would you require regarding shipping containers .Over at Goole we have englands premier inland port which exports and imports a large quantity of containers ,i can lay my hands on info such as manifests plans for loading and discharging and pictures of the equipment used and of course the regular vessils that come to Goole with their cargo . I dont claim to know it all but i can always ask one of the cargo superintendants for you .
daz
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/P1000721.jpg)
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Thanks Daz... just ignore the 'hoi polloi' and assorted riff raff on this thread....! {-)
I once spent the day At Felixstowe docks and was fascinated by the lack of human involvement in moving
thousands of containers around. ( http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Gallery/Felixstowe/Story.htm (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Gallery/Felixstowe/Story.htm) )
1. Are the Container straddle carriers adjustable for the 3 different sizes?
2. What mechanism is used to "grab" the carrier? Pins? Clamps? Twist locks?
3. On the ship, how are the containers locked together?
4. What's the maximum number of loaded containers that can be stacked to top of each other?
5. I guess the containers all use an international 'bar code' system, what's it called?
6. Does the crane loader have a camera on the lifting frame to centre 'zero' in on the container?
7. Who, what decides the layout of the containers on a particular ship?
..... as I say, no particular reason, just interested. :)
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Do you want an amusing/sad story about containers?
One of my duties when working in the UK was the enforcement of Animal Health legislation which includes the controls on importation of animals. One day we received a report that animal like sounds were emerging from a recently unloaded container. The Animal Health Officers swung into action. The container was isolated in an enclosed area; the team donned protective gear; nets were rigged up over the door end of the container; men held catcher loops at the ready; a tranquiliser gun was to hand; the door on the container was slowly swung open; out crawled a pathetic, emaciated cat which had been in the container for about 2 weeks.
Once again England was safe from some foreign, rampaging beast which would carry unknown infection into our green and pleasent land!
Roger in France.
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Really, Martin...
'The' hoi polloi? Pleonasm? Tautology? Or what?
OK, OK. Just call me a pedantic old sod.
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That dont sound too hard Martin ,i will be on the docks thurs night and there is a container ship due in so armed with camera i will see what pics i can get for you .
daz
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just posted a few pics on photobucket click on the link to see.
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Goole%20docks/
daz
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Excellent stuff! Thanks Daz.
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And there's me thinking the BBC are wasting my licence fee. :D
Regards Al
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Beats me why the BBC are spending so much of our dosh when a simple phone call (to the right person) would provide the complete history of any container. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Anyway, what is so interesting about a container? A much more interesting project would be to look at the much more difficult diversity of the genuine cargo-passenger liners of the 1960s and 70s with the cargo separation of "break-bulk" and so on. This exercise by the BBC is just a dumb platitude. BY.
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Hi Brian
The Beeb is probably funded like the NHS. They have to spend it this year or they don't get it next year.
Regards Al
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Call me an anorak if you like but i think containers like many other things are interesting , :D .
daz
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Beats me why the BBC are spending so much of our dosh when a simple phone call (to the right person) would provide the complete history of any container. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Anyway, what is so interesting about a container? A much more interesting project would be to look at the much more difficult diversity of the genuine cargo-passenger liners of the 1960s and 70s with the cargo separation of "break-bulk" and so on. This exercise by the BBC is just a dumb platitude. BY.
Do you not think showing how far the container has travelled from its original port the waste that is involved. The consumer market wants cheaper goods no matter to the quality. Showing the travels of the container in pictures instead of someone tell you where it has travelled from shows exactly the problems we have created.
I think some have missed the point to this program by the commects made.
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Martin, the attached photos may not answer all your questions, but you may find them interesting. They are a selection of those I took while on our QE2 trip, and some show the manner of restraining the containers, while others show the huge numbers of containers in some of the ports we visited. I posted the shot of the damaged containers in Los Angeles some time ago, but I think it warrants repeating, if only to wonder again how the damage occurred. If you look closely at the first photo, you can see more damaged containers near the base of the crane.
Peter.
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Really, Martin...
'The' hoi polloi? Pleonasm? Tautology? Or what?
OK, OK. Just call me a pedantic old sod.
Pleonasm IMHO
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Call me an anorak if you like but i think containers like many other things are interesting , :D .
daz
You like a box? Dear heavens, things are worse than I imagined.
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I think looking after them is starting to get to me :D they are every where ,
more pills please %% .
daz
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wander what the bbc would say if the ship sank or the box got lost off the edge?
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I have seen a few boxes lost either fron ships or quays , one was lost off the east coast ,well there was a few ,but this one washed up just down the coast from Bridlington full of Royal cigarettes ,every man woman and child was selling cheap cigs after then :} .the other containers contained whisky (allegedly) and rebok trainers , the whisky box was never salvaged well if it was the customs didn't find it .
There was an incident at goole a few years ago when an empty 40 foot box was blown off a quay stack into the dock , it was recovered by anothe company on the other side of the quay, ha "Oy mate is this one of yours " {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed:.
daz
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Call me an anorak if you like but i think containers like many other things are interesting , :D .
daz
How can you find a box "interesting"? Jeez.
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To each his own, Bryan. One man's meat is another man's poison........beauty is in the eye of the beholder........there must be some other cliches I've missed. :-)Leave poor Daz alone, he may not be feeling well; if he has a cup of tea and a good lie down, he may get over it. ;)
Peter.
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Thank you Peter , what you have to understand BY is that these boxes travel all around the world through a system that recognises them from their seriel number and the owners of them can track every movement ,either by road or water .There were some containers (swapboddies ) at goole that would probably never see these shores again as they were destined to travel between the Bahamas and usa , these units would make great workshops as they are fully insulated and the floors are solid wood and pollished smooth mmm nice :D .
daz
still on the tablets
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Call me an anorak if you like but i think containers like many other things are interesting , :D .
daz
How can you find a box "interesting"? Jeez.
Suppose the box contained a model boat ?
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Biggest container ship visits UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-20671374
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Biggest container ship visits UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-20671374 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-20671374)
Interesting "prime" photo (can't get beyond that)...but if her full name is Marco Polo, isn't there a cruise ship with that name? I didn't realise that name duplication was legal, at least for Ocean going ships.
My other observation is more of a seamanship comment.
She has 2(rope, not wire) springs out and 4 breast lines. No real stern lines. Novel.
I also note her lines have "tails". Haven't seen them for years. BY.
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...but if her full name is Marco Polo, isn't there a cruise ship with that name?
The full name (as painted on the ship) is: CMA CGM MARCO POLO, registered London. She also has CMA CGM in HUGE letters on the sides so I guess that may be the owners name (heaven knows what nationality he might be - Kumar Cugem ... Indian?)
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The full name (as painted on the ship) is: CMA CGM MARCO POLO, registered London. She also has CMA CGM in HUGE letters on the sides so I guess that may be the owners name (heaven knows what nationality he might be - Kumar Cugem ... Indian?)
French - Compagnie Maritime d'Affretement and Compagnie Generale Maritime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMA_CGM (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMA_CGM)
Lance
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I know that this is probably a silly question,but, how are the containers held on? or is it just gravity and crossed fingers?
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Shackles, clamps, probably cross bracing, strong string and industrial grade blu-tak. Along with gravity and good luck.
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Its the weight of all those illegal imigrants, in a bit of a chop, they all have to clench to keep the container in place O0
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Dave asks........how are the containers held on? .....""twist locks" Dave.....one in each corner for a 20 footer....or six on a 40 footer {-) ...when containres are individually transported via road........
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What I don't get how the containers are interlocked aboard ship, you never see anyone jumping about, container to container, locking them down or even putting the locks in place.
See also...
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13107.msg126092#msg126092
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twistlock
http://youtu.be/wXXnEzXAip4
http://youtu.be/M2OEpp7RwXk
http://youtu.be/7ygXn_Em4vc
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=container+twist+locks&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=68jgUNqeFKyT0QWFzYG4BA&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=626
Dave asks........how are the containers held on? .....""twist locks" Dave.....one in each corner for a 20 footer....or six on a 40 footer {-) ...when containres are individually transported via road........
I know that this is probably a silly question,but, how are the containers held on? or is it just gravity and crossed fingers?
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What I don't get how the containers are interlocked aboard ship, you never see anyone jumping about, container to container, locking them down or even putting the locks in place.
I think there will usually be some people about, but there are also some automatic bits available. Found this document:
http://www.lr.org/Images/AMastersGuidetoContainerSecuring_tcm155-175167.pdf (http://www.lr.org/Images/AMastersGuidetoContainerSecuring_tcm155-175167.pdf)
It's not definitive - these things ares never as simple as you think from a distance - but pages 17-21 and 25-28 are probably most relevant to your question.
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Dave asks........how are the containers held on? .....""twist locks" Dave.....one in each corner for a 20 footer....or six on a 40 footer {-) ...when containres are individually transported via road........
40 footers still only have 4 securing points, one on each corner same as a 20 footer
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Martin,if you ever get a chance go to "thamesport" isle of grain kent(easy to get to) and in there container depot,a crane is fed infomation to pick up container,then arrives at docking point(after driver has put in container details)then a human(believe it or not) radio controls container onto lorry.2 things to say,i have only known thamesport to shut once in 12 years due to high winds,and secondly if felixstowe past wind "STOP".I dont know why ! but other container drivers will tell you.And on one last point about 4/5 years ago whilst a containership was trying to dock(high winds) it did ? it landed on the quey knocking out two cranes(aprox 60/70 high)oop`s,all infomation was in the local newspaper.Are 4 locking pins enough !! no comment
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Google 'how do twistlocks work' will give you an idea although there have been some new ideas since. Basically below decks boxes fit into guides and simply land on the ones below, so no twistocks and no human help required. On deck twistocks placed and locked on by humans along with cross braced lashing bars which fit into the side holes of the box for securing second tiers to the deck etc
The gantry similarly pick up boxes and releases them by remote twistlocks on the spreader rotated by the gantry driver
Mike
ps There is a good site to view ships, many of them box boats, passing through either end of the Kiel Canal at www.kiel-canal.de
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Just checked on webcam - use 'New Live Webcam' option it shows either lock depending on camera1 or camera2. Everything very quiet now being New Years Day, although some traffic still outwards from the Elbe upstream
Mike