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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: wallace on November 13, 2008, 07:19:21 pm
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I would welcome any help and tips on the building of the Sir Lancelot from mouthfleet models,also anyone who has built her and taken photos of the stages of building would be so helpful.Thanks wallace
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One of my club members has one that he built many years ago. Its a super good looking boat, but every care has to be taken to keep top weight down, and lower the centre of gravity, as it can be a VERY tender boat.
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Jorg (white ensign) has done this and has put lots of his opinions of the kit plus photographs on the forum.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11157.0
Hopr this helps. :-))
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heres some photos of my building of the Sir Lancelot
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Heres some more have taken over 100 photos just get carried away so proud of what I have done wallace
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Very nice Wallace but you would be better off keeping them on the same topic instead of starting a new one each time. :-))
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I am sure Martin can glue the topics together..........when he gets a little spare time.......in 2012 :-))
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Wallace.....I do not know the build.....but are the bilge keel plates in the correct location?.....the photograph suggests that they would protrude outboard of the hull...... or is it just a parallax issue? <*< Derek...keep up the good work
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I am sure Martin can glue the topics together..........when he gets a little spare time.......in 2012 :-))
Done! :P
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more photos
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Looking really smart, very neat and tidy. I like the internal paint job as well, makes everything a lot brighter and cleaner internally and well worth the effort.
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thanks for the good replies to the building all the paint work is primer only abit to cold to gloss
Yes I do paint inside of my hulls it makes it look cleaner and while builing if you drop any small bits inside its easy to see and find.
and when sailing boats and have the tops off for people to see inside its so nice knowing the inside hull is just as clean and neat as the outside.
At the moment have redone the deck supports as I was not happy with the first one glad to say all is well and its ready for the deck to be fixed after I have re-fix the rudder after a very good member on this site made a new one for me which is alot stronger I cannot thank this person high enough Thank You.
Will keep the photos coming and dont forget to give me your comments good or bad we are all here to help.
wallace
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Hi Wallace, I don`t want to criticize, but I doubt the "inside-painting" job very much. My experience is, that whenever you need to glue something after painting, you glue it on the paint instead of the material. The result will be falling of bits and pieces.
Anyway- this is just a suggestion and no point of critics, often discussed and always a point of the personal comprehension;
I wonder why you have used "gloss-colours" instead of satin or matt? In my opinion gloss-colours make a model look a bit "toy-like".
Anyway- nice job you have done there, waiting for more photographs.
Another tipp with the Mountfleet-Kit:
try to keep all installitions i.e. speedcontrol and electronics on the side of the hull, as she as a real heavy beast at the end and needs lots of ballast, especially around the section where your motor use to sit. Saving ballast will bring you into trouble as she will not sail very stable...
If you are in doubt anyway, get in touch with me.
Well done buddy- go on then!!!! :-))
Jörg
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... sorry- me again.
As I have seen you have started to put filler on the inside of the wall, which use to be shown over the deck level after all. I had tried this once but found it the most time-killing job, with an... "unsatisfying" finish.
Tipp:
I just had sand down the fibreglass and then glued 0,3mm Aluminium-plate on it. It is much easier and if you cut them into single plates it`ll give the appearance of the welded hull-plates. Less of time, better look. What else may you ask for?
Jörg
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Jörg, I agree you need to be careful when painting the insides of a fibre glass hull but from what I can see off this model the internal fittings are in place and so there shouldn't be other problems as long, as you say, as things are not glued to the paint. I can't see any gloss paint on extrnal surfaces though.
I do disagree with your thouhts on smoothing the insides of bulwarks. Obviously covering with aluminium, plasticard or even ply is an option but I used P-38 filler then rubbed it down afterwards and got a very good finish for very little effort. I think the key to making this technique as easy as possible is to first rub the surface to remove the really high spots, then apply the filler with a very wide spatula which covers the entire height of the bulwark. Rubbing down afterwards should then be a very quick and easy task.
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Bunker, I am with you but you mentioned it:
First to sand down the big dents, then filler, wait until it`s hard, then sand down again. Probably you have to do a second layer..., fill, wait, sand...
I have found that by using aluminium (no plasticard- as this may ribb off on a hot summer day!) I just need:
Sand down the big dents, glue and apply, wait until it`s hard....- and that`s it. So you`ll save the second operation... Most properly it is the sloth in me, which tries to save work wherever possible to get the same or better result... %)
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One of the beauties of this site....Everyone has a different way of doing something. "Nowt wrong wi that". Personally, I go for the P38 method, but there are other choices..
Barry
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:-)) Well I have had a great read of all your replies and Im learning so much from you all about the inside top of the hull I have always sanded then put alittle car filler on then sanded again untill its like a babies bottom then painted ( not having people saying the state of that ) so I always do that.About the painting of the inside of the hull like I said it looks alot cleaner when people look inside and it makes me feel like I have done a good job,all the elec's and motor are fitted on plywood primed and then painted and motor is held down with screws etc all the rest is taped.Jorg I have taken into count what you said about the paint and its just me I want my boat to always be better than the last build and to stand out will keep the paint job in mind when I do start to paint at the moment have only used primmer.Please keep the comments coming Its very helpful. wallace
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The guns are getting repainted I only glossed them to have alook and to see what to use.
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more photos
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Very good woodwork, precise and clean..
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more photos
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Last ones for a few days these are the wooden platforms for the boat deck and the stern
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Wallace- not too bad, mate!
Another Tipp:
Before installing the bridgedeck on the top of the bridge, think about the cablework for the lights which sit on the frames outside. If you have use plywood, make sure to engrave two little channels for the wires on each side. So you may hide the wires inside them which gives a bit a better look. Mark one corner at the backside, where the telegraphy-cabinet is to lead them down hidden.
Jörg
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I would welcome any help and tips on the building of the Sir Lancelot from mouthfleet models,also anyone who has built her and taken photos of the stages of building would be so helpful.Thanks wallace
:-))nice work wallace are you fitting working lights it would look amazing parky
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Thanks Stan got the site up it looks good see you at the w/e
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will be putting more photos on here soon just building up the funnel silly me drill two holes a bit of centre not happy so I have filled them up so tomorrow will sand it down again and try again,also done the front upper mast out off steel rod will let you know how its coming on,and also re-painted inside the hull after fitting the new rudded my friend made for me will post all new photos,still not clud the deck in as yet well theres no rush so Im building all the small things and making the lockers.My thumb is alot better will keep it out of the way from now on dont want any more blood near the boat.
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still doing the smalls of the boat just started on the small boat done the inside and put all the ribs etc in did not like it so today I took it all apart forgot to paint the inside of the boat first as all the wood stays as wood un painted silly me but it will I do hope look alot better this time around,so what else got a few things at the show this w/e and also my brass prop will grease the shaft etc and fit the prop give the boat a bath to see if it leeks with the motors running if all OK will think about fixing the deck on.Some photos on its way again Would like to take this chance to say thank you to all who have help me with this boat with there tips and also to two friends I have made who have built things for me a big thank you.
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just a little update not been to good lately so not alot to report but glad to say started back on boat so reports will be coming ,still not fitted the deck have been waiting for my motor bracket to arrive at model shop then its the big build up.
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OK heres some more photos of my building of the Sir Lancelot been doing alot of the building of the model as Im waiting for my bracket for my motor before I can fix the deck in place.Please remember all the photos show the build in stages and some are only prime or with undercoat and none are fixed down at all some have been put onto the boat to see how they look.look forward to all your comments again.
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update the first photo of the new photos is of the lower bridge since the photo was taken last week I have done more work on the lower bridge all corners have on the outside been strenghthen as its a warship its been filled around the corners and rubbed down and tomorrow will give it another coat of primer.I must admit its looking really good looking forward to puting on the gloss paint and then fixing the windows also fitting out the wheelhouse fitting.Is there no comments from anyone would like to here some or if you think I have done something wrong.
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Will post photo as soon as I have re-painted it for all to see.
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Looking really good Wallace though I'm not sure about gloss paint, all my warships are matt finish.
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Hi Richard thanks for the OK as I was In the RN as a Able Seamen always on the upper deck and boats crew all upper deck paint work was gloss grey that was 36 years ago Im here to be corrected if I am wrong.But please dont let me walk the plank ?????
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Hi ya there Wallace
Your build is looking good there - just remember the golden rules:
- Measure twice
Cut once
Take your time
Just to reiterate what Dicky says about using gloss paint on a model - in the real world we do tend to use gloss/semi gloss paints but, in the modelling world, if we do use gloss paints - it maybe doesn't look as authentic as you would like at close range. So good thing to tend to use is either Matt paint or a silk finish semi Matt. This tends to be a lot more pleasing to the eye and appears to give a lifelike finish to the model.
Don't you worry about what you have painted gloss already because you will be able to go over the top with a Satin finish clear varnish - and that will do the same job as applying satin finish paints.
aye
john e
bluebird
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Hi John once again thanks for your remarks and thanks for the 10/10 for the build about the gloss will see what it looks likes when its all done as we all say its your boat and you can do what you like to it.My boat will have about 3 types of grey on it to show the details of all thats on it.
ok2 wallace
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:-)) heres a few more of the build and of the lower bridge redone and with primer on just getting it ready for the top coat then putting in the windows so watch this space.
;) :-)) wallace
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:-) Topic name changed on request.
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Thanks alot Martin :-)) :-)
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ok2 Today painted the lower bridge and the upper bridge a light grey in gloss when its dry will post photos but if i dont like it when its dry I will re-do then by sanding lightly down and re paint them watch this space Im putting in brass windows cant wait to see what the bridge will look like.Well the top lot at Whitehall is spending alot of money on this post war re-fit ?????? Just waiting for you all to say things about it. %) :-))
wallace
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Wallace, the pro`s and contra`s of the gloss-stain-matt paintjobs had been discussed massivly. Out of my experience from nearly 40 years of modeling I just can say:
Even if the real ships had been painted gloss and you look at the photographs of them- just a distance of a view meters make the glance disappear.
Models painted in gloss colours will just catch up reflections from lights (even the sun) and therefor they look toylike to me.
Satin finish is o.K. for boats just slipped out of the yard. Two days on sea and the spray will give them a matt finish.
So I prefer matt finish on all of my boats. It looks more realistic to me.
If you are in doubt, just have a look on the photographs I have send to you from the build of my Sir Lancelot.
If you are still in doubt, the spray one layer of satin or matt varnish just on one side of your superstructure and compare it after drying with the other sid. If you like, go for the rest. If you don`t like, just spray over in gloss colour.
Just my penny.
Jörg
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:-)) Hi jorg this is your reply and I always take onboard from wise men.I have decided to paint the boat satin and matt looking at the colours on humbro's chart there is alot of greys about which I do like i will put a bit of gloss maybe on the lockers and also the guns what do you think anyway its along way from the big paint job,the hull to be painted matt or satin.
wallace does say a big thank you to all ;)
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;) heres a few more photos of the build and this is the bridge painted gloss BUT THATS GOING TO BE CHANGE TO MATT but i thought I would show you all the gloss side and also my new window on its first fitting but first have to re-paint the bridge matt I have also stated doing inside the lower bridge hope you all like.If not its the :police: for you all Ha Ha
wallace
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more photos dont know what happen to my last post
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:-)) Hi to all just to let you all know today being a great sunny day and watching over 3000 motor bikes doing the Easter Egg run for the kids hospitals on the Wirral merseyside this year was the best turn out of bikes and every year it gets bigger well done to all.Right back to the build so today I have re-painted the lower and the upper bridge MATT grey and ok it does look good will give it another coat on tuesday as Im at the hospital most of the day on monday,have sorted out the colours Im going to use on the boat and its 3 matt grey's and two satin grey's to break the grey's up.I hope to get my motor bracket on thursday well he said it will be there on thursday.I then can fit the motor in and really start on the hull done alot to it just needs abit more tidy up then I will give it a few coats of primmer then i will fit the deck on.See you all soon.
;) wallace :-))
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just an update npt done any big things on the boat just been doing the last bits to all the lockers they are looking fine and also all the bits to go into the lower bridge and upper bridge will be fitting them very soon,I have put the final coat of varnish onto the stand it will now stand all the weather now hot and cold wet and dry.It is along stand and I will take the boat of and take a photo just to show you all.
:-)) wallace
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Hi Wallace, I have been very busy with the last boat build but she is now finished, we were in contact by email a short while ago regarding your lancelot build, I'm able to spend a little more time with you now on here, you are doing a grand job keep it up, the Lancelot is a nice looking vessel when finished, if you go here:- www.aberdeenships.com then type Sir Lancelot you can see the admiralty plan to which I built my Lancelot but this was just personal preference. :-))
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/billyboy_/sirlancelotblackpool2007.jpg) Blackpool Model Boat Show 2007
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/billyboy_/lancelotandkperidot.jpg) Sir Lancelot with Kingston Peridot H.591
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Hi Bill I do hope my boat turns out like yours believe me its first class well done also the two boats go together and are first class.Who does the other boat is there a kit floating around.
wallace :-))
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Well as promise here is the stand for the Sir Lancelot and its all varnished now and its a big stand. :-))
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ok2 Today I got started on the bridge doors one again nothing in the manual to say about the doors its a good job I have photos and the model boat mag from a few years ago.The doors are cut out of thin ply and the window is cut out i them used bits of wood and clue to ply sanded down and I have also stain and varnish them both I may have done the windows a bit to big but never mind Im happy hope you like. O0
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sorry forgot the photos ;D
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started fitting out the inside of the wheelhouse what you see is before the wheelhouse is fixed onto the deck not to sure what to put in-side the wheelhouse as yet becauses its all cover in and you wont be able to see inside unless you get really close upto the boat. %%
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:-) Also to day applied some more things to the upper bridge also the two rocker-launchers one on the port side and the other on the s'brd side just a few other bits to go on the upper bridge.Still not got my motor backet hope to go this week to get it. <*<
More photos so the building gets going .
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wow superbe wallce, well done up to now, keep up the good work my friend, ref; the other boat next to my lancelot no this is not a kit it is a scratch built North Sea Trawler. :-))
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"a scratch built North Sea Trawler".
a lovely looking model of a very sad ship
she was one of the trio of Hull trawlers, that included the Ross Cleveland and St Romanus which were all lost within weeks of each other with great loss of life [ only 1 survivor from three complete crews ] that were lost in the winter of 1968/69 <:(
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Hi to all just to let you all know I have finaly got my bracket for the motor and its all fitted.The motor is fine now I can get the hull ready for priming and then fix the deck on.
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O0 Hi to one and all heres a few more photos of the build taken over the Easter week-end hope you like. :-))
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sorry about the other photos dont know what went wrong HELP
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here goes again
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>>:-( Just to let you all know all fitting are just held by blue tack none are fixed to the boat just wanted to see how things are looking I did the windows on the large side got carried away with the cutting (the captain was a big fello ) I think it looks ok .Well I hope you like what Im doing please feel free to write a comment good or bad Im here to learn for everyone and im trying my best.Just finnished making the last of the lockers and all have been top coated and just some fitting to go on. :-)) %)
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Coming along very nicely. i was a bit worried about those doors and windows, looking a little heavy, but if stuck with blur tack, that explains it. A good build so far.Keep it up amigo.. :-)) :-))
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:-)) thanks footski I do hope it all sit ok when fixed in place
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Hi every-one sorry its been over 4 weeks since I posted anything not been to good the old age getting to me never mind.Heres some of the latest bits I have made and painted.
To my friends out there you will be pleased I have not painted the superstructure in gloss grey I have done it in satin and Im very pleased with it and it wont look like a toy boat.Have painted gloss to lockers etc and all is looking well.
The first photo is the funnel 98% finished all painted in silk grey.
2nd photo from the side showing the steam pipe.
3rd photo is the mast and is all sanded by hand for the right shape just a few bits to go on.
4th photo is the large and small vents just got to put handles on .
5th photo is the 4 pillars 2 each side of the over hanging superstructure.
Hope you like please leave your comments
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:-)) :-)) :-))Looking good, but I would still tone that matt black down. Spray it with matt or satin black varnish :-)) :-))
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:-)) :-) O0 Its me again with some more photos hope you like
1st one is the superstruct only got the hand rails to put on then the build on top
2nd/3rd are still on the side and the front
next is the water/fire buckets and onto the next is the depth chargers which like alot of the bits you have to make yourself
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Hi to you all here's some more photo's of the build and again its all the small parts to go onto the upper deck.
You can see the start of the water tanks and the finish of them
Also the forward gun platform which is nearly done the gun is getting done again was not happy with the paint job i had done so its going to be a few days yet before its ready.
Im nearly ready to put the whole deck on.
I hope you like the building love to hear your coments please dont worry I wont bite thats what we are all on this site to help.
See you all very soon
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lots of lovey whie metal parts there wall ! and i know how you like them, hope your feeling bit better today ! and will see you thursday
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Very nice build indeed,a couple of years ago i bought a similar boat to this one,The Sir Kay,it was built by Arthur Mulligan,from, Mulligans Boat yard,near Forfar in Scotland,and what a lovely boat it was, were these boats related in some way,i.e Sir Lancelot,Sir Kay?????
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1k8qXA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1k8qXA)
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They were two of eight vessels named after the Knights of the Round Table and which were to be known as the Round Table Class of minesweeper.
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Thanks Richard you beat me in naming the knights .
wallace
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The Sir Lancelot was converted from her wartime role into a fishery research vessel ( she was based on a steam trawler design ) being Lowestoft registered and finally sold to Hamburg in 1962 and renamed Heir Ed Din Barbarossa.
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/636/medium/248.jpg)
(http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/636/medium/lt263_sir_lancelot.jpg)
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the ship looks good!!!
or like we say in Holland : aardig drijfbaar. means quite floatable {-)
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well done some good research by you and some lovely photos.
wallace
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Hi Wallace, this is a good thread, I'm keeping a keen eye on this one, the build is comming along nicely, also thanks Davie Tate for those photo's of her in the fishery research role, are these photo's available for purchase Davie?
bill
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I have asked both members of the Trawlerphotos site if they can supply a larger resolution copy of the images , I'll let you know what they say.
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ok2 :-)) Its that time again to get you all going again with the news.
First of all at long last I have put my deck on it ,well it took 6 tubes of epoxy glue and just about got all the frame work covered before it started going off,but I got the deck on in one piece and to hold it in place I put around 20 12v batteries all over the deck and guess what I did not take a photo sorry,
After 24 hours there abouts this afternoon took the lot off and the deck has held great just a little bit of filling needed around the sides
I will take photos tomorrow to show you all how its looking and so you can all see I may put the ton of batteries back on for photo shot.
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Here's the latest photos I have taken this week.
The first is the deck being held down by a ton of batteries I did leave them on the deck for nearly 24 hours and I must say it did take alot glue etc as its a very big boat so after 24 hours took them off, only reason I left them on that long is I had hospital appointments the following morning,when the deck was cleared I was very pleased with the out come not to much to fill.
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Hi all .......Wallace...I think I can see ~~~~~~240 VDC just as deck containers {-) O0 ....Derek
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These photos are about the superstructure fitting onto the deck,after the deck was fitted I put the superstru in its postion and it was not sitting very good it was all up and down so looking at it,it needed alot of sanding to get the right shape to sit onto the deck so what I did was put wood battons all around the bottom of it and filled it with filler ,I fixed the wood with super glue while it was sitting on the deck to get the right line of the deck,sanded it down all around and then re-primed the bottom bit after taping up the bits I had already done then put top coat on then remove all the tape and after putting back onto the deck I was happy with the fitting hope you like. wallace :-))
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heres the superstructure all done and dusted
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missed these sorry :-))
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Hope you don't mind Wallace but that Got to be a caption competition! :-))
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17267.msg172697#msg172697 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=17267.msg172697#msg172697)
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Heres some photos just starded to sand down the deck which i have filled dont want any water getting into the boat. <*<
;) wallace
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photos
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Hi Wallace, this is a good thread, I'm keeping a keen eye on this one, the build is comming along nicely, also thanks Davie Tate for those photo's of her in the fishery research role, are these photo's available for purchase Davie?
bill
I've sent Tony your Email address Bill he's got a large copy of the upper of the 2 photos of her that I linked to that you are interested in all ready to post to you.
Davie
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Heres more photos of the building all the photos are about the decks.
As stated earlier the deck in in place and filled .
I have now fitter the fwd deck and filled it and sanded it down, the way I fitted it was I made a mix of filler and put alot inside and all around the bow then layed the deck on top and pressing it down to get it level filled all around it put tape over it and had a cup of tea,
as you can see by the photos all has been fill and all has been sanded,many hours have past under my hands while doing it but its worth it as no water will get below decks, also filled around the combing and sanded,repainted all above the decks.I think its looking good at the moment hope you like and I do hope Im not boring you with the photos.
If I am I will call the :police: Ha Ha
happy sailing wallace
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these next few photos are all about me trying to do the deck plating so I hope it will turn out ok here you can share with me the step by step on how im doing it.
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Very effective platework--will look the biz when painted :-)) :-))
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Wallace
How are you reproducing the rivet detail and are the plates made from the card supplied in the kit?
Paul.
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:-) First of all many thanks for the kind remarks that goes to all and also to Steamboat Paul many thanks.
I'm trying my best and doing it slowly the first bit of plating did not look up to my standard so re-done again
And to Chuffy the deck plates where not supplied with the kit only the card and after doing the forward deck I had to go and get more card from the printers how I'm doing it is taking my time and drawing lines onto the card 60mm x 40mm and running this wheel I have been given by a member of my boating club (new brighton model boat club) hows that for giving them air time god bless them all a really good lot of lads.Well back to the plates after I have rolled the wheel about 2mm from the lines and then cut the plates up into 60mmx40mm I then paste them with PVA glue I just use my fingers to smooth the glue over,its a long job but in the end I do hope its worth it,Got to think now about the painting of the plates as they are paper but using art paper it should hold the paint well,would welcome tips on the painting on paper.
Well now you know now how I hav done my deck plating will post more photos when its all plated so give me a few days .
wallace :-))
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Here's a few more photos on the plating which I done in the lovely sun today.
What i have posted is the beginning of doing the deck plates from plain art card and the tools I have or am using to do them
I first of all draw the lines very carefully and then us the wheel to make the rivets in the plates the next stage is to cut them out tomorrow sometime and put them in place I hope this helps ,well it helps me as I'm always learning by my mistakes,hope you like.
;) wallace :-)) :-)) O0
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Photos sorted! :-))
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She is looking good and comming on well.
Bob
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Thanks for the pics and description Wallace, you've been very helpful.
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Just put the first coat of primmer onto the f'ward deck to see how it drys hopefully no bubbles its had two coats will leave it over night and take a look sometime tomorrow.
wallace
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Forgot to say the plating I was showing you in the photos I have just cut them all into plates and may start fixing them on sometime tomorrow.
wallace
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its looking good wallace, and thats a very effective way you've got of replicating the rivets
I'm looking forward to seeing what she looks like with her first coat of paint :-))
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Hi Dan so many thanks for your kind words will get back to you.
wallace :-))
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Good evening or maybe good morning to all who all watching this build I must first of all tell you all that this boat is testing me to my limits I have learnt French ,Double Dutch,and some nice words in German , Hi Jorg hope you are keeping ok will write soon.
Back to the build yes its a wonder I have any fingers left after all the cuts and I have found a new way of keeping the finger nails short plenty of sand-paper,there has been many time I have just walk away from the build but I have always gone back and said sorry to the boat for leaving her undone.The hull has really given me nightmares and also nearly another heart attack I just hope when I get to painting the hull it looks ok to me its been the worst hull I have ever work on and the makers should be sorry I just cant write what I would like to write but the hull was just ????.
I have also had alot of touble with the white metal fittings I wont go into that.
So I hope you like the next lot of photos thats coming up next.
wallace
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Ok heres more photos of the build as promise.
Photo 1 2 3 are of the f'ward deck after two coats of primmer, I think it has taken very well just the matt top coat to go on whick is going to be a dark grey.
Photo 4 Showing more deck plating glue onto the deck down the port side.
Photo 5 Close up once again of the plates and with the printed sheet that goes over the top.
Photo 6 This photo is of the bottom of the superstructure showing the brass hand rails fitted and the brass port-holes
looking good if I do say so my self.
Photo 7 The front view of the superstruct.
Photo 8 Another view of the deck.
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Wall,,when you compleat this Nice . Good looking vessel . where will you sail her ? and are you going to have the proper baptism . Well done to that man .
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Good morning Dave its a long way off to go before its ready for its trails, well there is only one place to sail her and thats down at the lake on new brighton,but I may test her in my pond with my fish to see how she looks and to add the weights,of course Dave I will let you come to the first launch and if it looks right will give every one a wee drink but not smashing any bottles over the hull ?????
Anyway Dave thanks for your kind comments hope you have and still enjoying the build.Must go now coffee time then onto more building. :-)) :-)) ;) ok2 :-) wallace
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:police: :police: :police: :-)) :-)) ;) :-) Well folks just a little up- date after putting on the primer last night on my deck plating had a very good look at it this morning and I was not happy bunny the primer reacted to the card that i got from the printers and it looked like a hairy jumper ,it was not like the f'wrd deck in which I'm happy with.So I spent a few hours running around the yellow pages for a very good art shop and I found one about 10 miles from the house,Tried to phone Mountfleet about the art paper that came with the kit which I dont think is enough they say use ART PAPER MO the art shop I went to and the owner came out to help me is an artist very helpful in the shop so I got 3 big sheets of art paper and when I got home I cut a little bit of the card and sprayed with primer went back after a nice cuppa and I was all smiles again it looked really great.So I was going to ripe up the whole lot that I hacve done,but in the end decided to do another way will tell you all once its done and what im doing will take photos and keep you in-formed.By the way does anyone know if there is someone out there who does the mould of the hull of the Sir Lancelot and please not Mountfleet.
wallace :-))
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:-)) well its all back on course have redone the deck plating and its been done the same way and in nearly two pieces just a little join fixed it all on the deck two days ago and today i gave it a coat and two maybe three of primer and its looking good this time have taken photos and will be posting them sometime tomorrow.I have also done the fixing of the bottom of the front deck ready for the big gun to go into place but not before i do the hull getting really close to painting the hull.
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keep it up Wallace, you know it will be worth all the swearing when she is finished.
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heres as promise the photos of the deck plating, also the front of the gun deck all filled in.
Just done a little bit today and that was trying to put the capping rail around the stern and as you can see by the photos i have had to fill hope it looks ok when sanded.
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Heres a few more of the deck which is all had two coats of primer.
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Heres more photos of the capping rail both sides done but not up to standard yet.
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heres more of the sanding of the capping rails
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:-) :-)) Hello to all sorry its been awhile since anything has been put on here. well the reason is I had a bad few weeks back and fore to the hospitals for this and that.It must be around 6 weeks since I have posted things about the building.
So what have I done to the build well done a few of the small bits the lovely white metal rubbing it down and prime the little things then the top coat,have also done alot of the boat deck both sides its really tested me to the limits as you only have photos from books etc to go on and other models but its all coming together nice and slowly the photos are off the platforms for the boats both sides and the rudder hatch also the platforms at the stern started on the lifebelts and racks for the lifebelts.Hope you like the photos
Also I have started on the hull again and these photos I hope are the last of the primmer going on as the hull was in such a mess.
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more of the build from the stern
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this is the rudder hatch
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these photo are all white metal bits the lifebelts steering chain pully oropesa floats
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Just a few more bits
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Heres the latest parts im doing all to do with the bridge wings. ;)
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and more of the build.
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That very special Admiralty paint does the job beautifull ,dont it . Well done that Man .
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Thank you so much Dave still a long way to go today I have been painting the life-belts also the bridge supports and the funnel is nearly all done and the plating around the bridge wings just got to fix them into place .
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heres the floats just got to paint them up now. :-))
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Theses photos are of the lifebelts and the bridge supports and some doors I have been a very busy young man ???? %%
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Just some more of the finish bits that have been done and have fixed to the front of the bridge well no pea-shooter will get throught that also fixed the bridge wings onto the superstructor and put heavy 12v batteries to keep it together, <*<
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:-)) All looking A1 OK still getting all the little bits out of the way.
I will have to get down and paint the ships side been putting it of for ages just cant get the lines right but It wont beat me.
Theses photos are of the bridge wing all fixed together and re-painted. :-)) :-)) <*<
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First photo is the lower boom coming of the main mast and the other photos are the mast in place to see how it looks and other parts put them on just to see how its all coming on I do like it alot and really getting so proud of the build like I have said alot of times it has tested me to my limits.
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More photos of the build put onto the deck once again to see how they look
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well what can I say and more photos thats it for today . :-)) :-)) wallace
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Coming on nicely Wallace. :-))
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:-)) :-) Hi Dicky thanks for that its taken a long time but its worth it in the end why rush something you enjoy doing,glad you like the photos of the build and hopefully I have help many builders over come problems with there building.Watch this space because one day the hull will get the paint job I promise :-)) :-))
wallace
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Impressive build, impressive boat :-))
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Looking very Good Wallace!
.... are you sure it's not time for another caption competition?!?!
Once the fog of the hangover started to clear, the decision had to be made, which sheet of the
plans was upside down, the superstructure of the ballasting layout. :P
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13931.0;attach=71437;image)
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i dont know about photo competition........ but it certainly isnt going to get away with all that weight on it !
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looking good wallace :-))
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:-)) :-)) ok2 %% Hi to you all what can I say you all have made (IM NOT GOING TO SAY old man)
you have made me smile and happy thank you all for your lovely write ups more photos to come
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Wallace .you do yourself proud ,you have built a Very neat looking vessel ,little wonder you sailed on some of the best . .
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:-)) ok2 To start the new month off heres some more of the build they are of the floats for the stern of the boat,and the rest is about my new windows and bridge doors all fixed into place and all with double glazing ?????? ha ha well its coming into winter.
Hope you all like.
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windows next :-))
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more about the windows :-))
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still more
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Heres the last ones all fitted and looking nice I must say so myself. ok2 :-)) wallace
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:-)) :-)) Yesterday I started something I have been putting off for a few months YES its the hull heres the first photo of the hull getting its first top coat I'm leaving it for a few day to harden of then i will rub it down gently with wet/dry high No then give it another coat,Well its cooled down nicely just right to paint does not dry to fast.
The other photos are of all the fittings that I have done so I put them onto the plan to see if I have missed any and yes theres is two/three that are missing which arent on the plans only got them after taking photos over the w/e at the show in Birthwood and mountfleet had the Lancelot there hope you like.
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Heres some more fittings
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and a few more you can see I have photo them from the bow in sections to the streen :police:
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Very nice Wallace but why have you done the bottom of the hull with gloss paint ?
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Richard just put it on to go hard then rubbing it down ,then will be putting the right one on .
I do believe its a matt red.
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Dont know Wallace, I usually use Red Oxide primer.
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Just put the first matt coat onto the hull and its looking good Im hoping to put 2 more coats onto the hull.
Photos will be taken so all can seeeeeeeeeeeeee.
wallace
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The last of the lookers just found out they are on the model what great plans ????
Other photos are of the hull painted in matt brown/red .
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Just a few more photos of the hull painted in matt also the decks painted matt green just got to put matt/satin varnish to make the decks water-proof as the decks as i said months ago the deck plates are made of art card they have had alot of coats primmer and now matt so the varnish will seal the lot in.
Well all for now until after my opperation I hope to be back with you all soon :-))
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great work with the paint job wallace. is that the fleetscale paint youve used?
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Hi Dan you are so right 10/10 just giving you a good mark.
Yes Dan its the grey paint from fleetscale I think its good.
take care chat soon.
wallace :-))
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Sorry its been so long in adding more detail about my building but with one thing and another I have only been doing small bits I can now report that the hull is all painted will post some photos next time have forgot to take some.I have been so busy in getting the new boat club up and running and doing things for the club which I must say the club is doing well .
Well the photos today are of the forward gun thats all finished the wheelhouse and top bridge put together filled and sanded and painted so hopefully there is no joins,have painted the fore deck with matt gray and seeing that the plating is art paper I have satin varnish the deck to make it waterproof.Hope you like the photos. :-))
Sorry I have got to load the photo resize again as pc was playing up .
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Heres the photos of the gun
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photos of the boat
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more off the wheelhouse and the upper bridge all put together filled and sanded and painted
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theses photos are the fixing of the foredeck stanchions holes drilled and rubbed down the deck rubbed down again matt grey painted and satin varnish to water proof it all the stanchions are not fixed at the moment took all out to re paint.
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this is the upper search-light platform with the stanchions getting fitted.
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Theses photos are of the searchlight platform with the railing all done just abit of tidying up on the railings I forgot to leave a space for the ladder will do today.
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Heres the boat deck being fixed to the superstructure had to cut holes so that the boat deck stays fixed to the superstructure its held in place under side by glass fibra,now the fitting are getting put onto the boat its looking good and I can see if its all good if not I re-do it.
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more of the boat deck next to do is to put all the fitting onto the deck plus the boat. :-))
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Photos of the searchlight getting put right cut the railings today and re-painted upder the platform so the bottom of the stachions are the same colour as the base,These photos show how I did it.
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more on the seachlight
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Theses are about the forward deck getting the railing done not yet finnished
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A few more about the railing i did today only abit getting abit cool
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Today I got to finish the railings on the forward deck.I'm happy with them so when I come out of hospital I will start to fit the deck out. :-))
Well its a year now since I first started to do the build and have taken 366 photos I hope they have help anyone doing a build it has really help me as you can look at it to see if it looks right,
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forgot to put this one on
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Heres a few shots of the fitting onto the fore deck,its all starting to look great now.
Have also re-done the railing around the Gun it looks alot better now it done in brass railing hope you like :-)) ok2
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and some more of the big gun
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So Wallace, it looks like you are "Full ahead" with this job. Well done mate :-))
Jörg
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Very nice work on the alignment & spacing of the brass bow railings Wallace....... O0 ....Derek
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:-)) Hi everyone just a few words to say Im out of hospital after my op around the heart just resting at home so cannot do anything on the boat just yet got to let things heal up first.Been told I cannot lift anything heavy over a few pounds 5 kls dont know what im going to do when the boat is all done it should weigh around 56lbs its a good job I have alot of friends in the club and also my girls at home would be lost with out them.
Will be back with more on the build when my body tells me.
wallace <*< :(( O0
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Thank you very much for your kind words dereck
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Well today was the first day but doing things on the boat since coming out of hospital.
Todays photos are about the boat deck the railing and fitting of the reels etc hope you like
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Got to re-paint the under the boat deck where the posts are fixed in will get around to doing it.
These two photos are about the ships boat and the bits that are going to go onto it etc also the boat its self.
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Just a short note before I go for the day,I'm going to put working lights onto boat would welcome any help never done it before so i do want to learn how to do it.
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Just a short note before I go for the day,I'm going to put working lights onto boat would welcome any help never done it before so i do want to learn how to do it.
Wallace few things firstly
1) what is it you intend to light up (the running lights, bridge or the whole ship)
2) seperate switches (1 for the bridges and decks and another for the running lights)
3) what type of lighting are you thinking of using LED's, grain of wheat bulbs or Fibre optics
then we can shed some light on the way to go :D
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Hi Colin thanks for taking an interest in the build and also the lighting I have never done anything like this before.
So heres what I want to do with lights
1/ port & stbd lights
2/Searchlight white
3/masthead steaming lights white
4/overtaking light white
5/Inside the lower bridge red
6/ two or three lights along the superstructure to light up the decks
7/ a light to light up the big winch at front under the lower bridge white
8/ and lights inside the superstruc from the engine room
9/ and one may be to light up the streen
For the superstructure can i get the holders for the light to go into 90% of the wire will be in side the superstructure that lifts off
looking forward to replies wallace
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Forgot to say I have been told LED lights are the best
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I have used grain of wheat for years but I am moving to LED's as they are alot better
LED's need to have a resistor fitted to them so that they don't burn out, you can get them already pre-fitted
The easiest way I found to do things is that if you put 2 peices of brass rod in the superstructure and then wire these as positive and negative
then wire the LED's to it makes it easier for wiring
to fit them drill a small hole in the superstructure and glue them into place
if the LED is out side you can disguise the wiring as Pipe work solder them onto brass rod to make longer if needed
I hope this makes some sense :D
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hi colin thanks for help I do understand it in my head reading it but where do the brass rods get wired to is it the main battery or somewhere else.
Told you I was no good at this
wallace
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yes they go back to the battery
If I get the chance will send you a picture of how I did it
but wont be today possibly tommorrow :-))
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I hope to do a little bit more on boat thats the small boat for the boat deck cannot do to much my chest is so sore AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
will get there in the end.
Looking at the boat yesterday for a few minutes I went indoors and said to my wife this boat is looking fab and is going to be the best i have built
wallace
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thanks colin you are a star :-)) wallace
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These few photo are about putting more railing onboard this time up around the back of the upper bridge and onto the funnel not yet finished i put uncut brass wire in to get the stanchions upright while they were glued into place. :-))
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these photos are with the funnel in place but not fixed, just to see the railing with the funnel :-))
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Have decided that the railings at the back of the upper bridge and behide the funnel are going to be like in the photo and not going into the funnel (knowing me I would have made a mess of it) so the railings are staying as the photo below. :-)) Well it is my boat.
The other few photos are of the decking thats going to hold the depth charges etc I have made the decking so I can lift them off to get into the rudder arm hope you like ?? ok2 :-))
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WILL BE BACK ON LINE WITH MORE PHOTOS OF THE BUILD AFTER XMAS PLEASE ALL HAVE A GREAT TIME SEE YOU BACK HERE IN
2010 MERRY XMAS TO ALL
WALLACE
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Sorry I just could not stay away was looking at the ship and after a long look I was not happy with the rear gun mounting it just did not look right to me so over the past few days I have started to make a new one so the photos that you will see is how I made the round tower to hold the rear gun.
The first photo is the old tower
The next ones are how I started building the new out of ply and styrene use my new cutter for the job which cuts circles in wood and styrene I took my time and got there in the end as you can see how I done it.
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The next few photos are of the building etc of the tower and the supports for the steps as you can see the steps start off big and get smaller for the top one.Once all the steps are in place and sanded all around I fixed styrene all the way around to a height of 30mm
the next part of the building will be to add filler and then rub down so no joins can be seen,then the top and bottom will have a strip all the way around,so at the moment its looking good I must say alot stronger than the first and I done it my way hope you like. :-)) :-))
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MERRY XMAS TO ALL
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Heres a few more of the building of the rear mounting for the rear gun
all was filled and today rub down and primed more coats on it tomorrow
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and more to look at
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Heres a few more of the gun mounting to the rear gave it a few coats of top coat just to the well got to drill the holes for the railings yet.
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The rear Gun Mounting with the railing all done just need abit of touching up of the sides of the mounting with paint
I will not fix the gun on just yet more things have to go on around the mounting. Hope you like.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL
PS I HAVE A NEW BOAT BUT WILL NOT START IT UNTIL SIR LANCELOT IS ALL DONE I WONDER IF ANYONE KNOWS MY NEW SHIP. :-)) :-)) WALLACE
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These two photos are the start of the steering chain from the back of the bridge to the stern of the boat to the rudder .
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These next few photos are of the Ladders. The bow port-holes. The main deck and the two side decks. The rigging up the mainmast.
Theses are all the ladders on the Sir Lancelot and I have put hand rails onto all of them and painted same colour as the ladder.
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The port holes in the bow are all fitted now have done them in brass two each side
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Theses photos are of the wooden decks the main f/ward deck and the two side decks
on the port and stbd side near the stern
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This is the start of the main mast rigging. I have drawn out the height and space between the rungs
onto a sheet of paper and then taped it onto a sheet of ply.I then cut three lenghs of nylon cord with a hot cutting knife
tied the three lenghs together and pinned them over the drawing which I did and three pins at the bottom.
The next job to do is to weave the cord in between the three lenghs to form the rungs. ( wish me luck )
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Heres the fore mast rigging all done and you can see the tools etc that I used.
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Hi Wallace
What knots/securing method did you use for the ratlines?
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Tiger sorry I did not use knots on each rung they looked to big and ugly so I just threaded the cord
and cut the ends with a hot blade.You should know I dont do anything that I dont like the look of.
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Does this mean you threaded the cord through the stays using a needle and then glued with CA?
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Excellent Wallace, just the way I did it on my Milford Star and my tramp steamer. :-))
Coming on well. O0
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First of all Many thanks to you Dicky for your kind comments i always say everyone to there own when building and I done it my way.
And my reply to Tiger is yes I did thread the nylon cord through the nylon cord stays and added a little glue and like I said a hot blade to cut the ends off.I think the photo shows what I have done.
Sorry tiger if its not the way you do it I just did not like it the other way like I said.
But thanks for your reply and please remember I have spent the past 14 months doing this ship and taking and posting photos so that
other people can see what I have done and also hoping it helps someone do things that they are having touble with.
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Heres a few more photos of the rigging on the foremast not yet fixed just put it up on stbd side to see how its looking
happy with what I see.
wallace :-)) <*<
PS I like the look of my other boats all cover up for the winter to keep warm ?????
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Just to let you know the foremast is not fixed to the deck yet
just a bit more to do on the deck first now the weather is warming up will get the varnish out
been keeping it warm in the house ?????? :police:
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Heres the port side of the rigging for the foremast once again only place it onto the mast etc to see how it looks
once again Im happy with the way it is at the moment thats another job out of the way alot more little bits to do.
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here's a few photo's showing the upper-deck which now has the main deck , and the port and stbd stern ends all fitted out in plywood and at long last fixed to the deck all have been waterproof with satin varnis I can now start to build up . :-)) :-))
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Thats looking nice Wallace. :-))
Are you painting the brass work ?
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These's few photos are showing the parts of the boat around in my garage all done upto 80%
now the warm weather may be coming the boat will get done,
The last photo shows my next build still asleep in its box I wont awake it until Sir Lancelot is all done
and I have had a play with it I may just take it to the lake to see how it sits in the water and how the motor goes.
Enjoy the photos
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Dicky this time the brass is staying as brass my goverment has spent a few million on this refit ????
No really Dicky I like the brass it stands out.
wallace
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Best of luck with the Resolve, nice model when finished. Will probably drive you round the bend trying to decipher the instructions. :-))
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Done little bit more today so the photos of the build are about getting the funnel ready to fix to the upper superstructure to make the funnel firm to wandering hands at the lake I have put pins in under side of the funnel ,but before doing that I had to line the funnel up on the deck so its in line I then marked all around it put pins in the under side of the funnel 4 in total put a little black paint onto each pin and slowly touched the deck as straight as I could.Removed the funnel and while the paint was still wet marked through the paint then wipe the paint off.I then drill the 4 holes 2.5 mm to take the pins my luck was only one hole was abit out so had to make it bigger Im please to say all fitted well and will fix tomorrow and leave to set for 24 hours will have to touch up paint.
Hope the photos are ok for all to see. wallace :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Heres the rest of todays work
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Dicky this time the brass is staying as brass my goverment has spent a few million on this refit ????
No really Dicky I like the brass it stands out.
wallace
Will you be varnishing the brass to stop oxidisation?
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Beautiful job :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks Mark for the tip yes I will be doing it to save the brass.
wallace
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Thanks cwm I do welcome all coments good and bad.
wallace
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Today I had a look at the funnel for the first time in two days to let it set well
Theses photos are the end result of the funnel fixed into place with epoxy two part due to the cold weather it takes abit longer to set.
You can see on the photos I took a shot of the pins etc under the superstructure I may for extra strengh add glass fibre onto the pins
I turn the deck up side down etc to make sure everything was holding and the final photo all sitting well on the deck.
I think this is month 15 of the build and I have really enjoyed doing it hope you have liked the photos and there will be more to come as I move on with the build.I may take the hull down to the lake to see how it sits on the water.???? :-)) :-)) wallace
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Looking good, Wallace.
How do plan to secure the funnel ? Are those threaded bolts covered in epoxy ?
Cheers
Ken
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Thanks Ken for your comment about the boat. :-)) :-))
Also your answer about securing the funnel in place well Ken I have done it by four metal pins then epoxy the pins into the bottom of the funnel then covered the whole of the bottom of funnel with epoxy and then let it harden I did not touch it for two days and I still have not really touch it in this cold weather everything takes that much longer to dry and harden off later I will cover the pins under glass fibra :-)) hope that makes sence, wallace ;) :-))
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Today or should say this afternoon I spent and hour or two on the depth-chargers and blocks just cut lenghs of wood of 20mm
and put two together and used a rod with sand paper and sanded the two together to make a cradle for the chargers to sit on.
will prime and paint them tomorrow I hope then join them together, :-))
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Heres the blocks for the d/charges made up and painted only the holding rope to add will do that when they are added to the boat I hope it gives you joy to watch how I'm building this ship. :-)) :-))
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The latest bits that I have been doing on the Sir Lancelot the first two are off the rear gun with the gunner sitting just put together to see how it looks before I paint the sailor.
The other three are about the small boat from the boat deck have given it its top coat two coats and the last photo shows that Im going to paint the rigging around the boat white hope you like. :-)) :-)) :-))
wallace
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Theses photo's are the making well my making of the small boat stays to keep the small boat in place when at sea.
I first used a 3mm nylon twine cut with a hot knife and the ends whipped sealed with a hot knife again. :-)) :-))
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photos of how the stays look on the small boat
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Re-done the stays I was not happy with the ones I had done this time I made them out of 2mm thin nlyon cord
done them the same way but they look alot better. %) :-)) :-)) :-)) wallace
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hi wallace,
ive been away for a while and just caugt up with the build. its come on a long way since i last saw it and its looking fantastic. how much longer do you think itll be befor you have it on the water? keep the pics coming mate :-))
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Some more of the build small boat painted just needs a touch up then onto the boat deck she goes.
All the photos are showing boats depth chargers etc just sitting on the Sir Lancelot just wanted to see how they are looking and what more I can do to them the boat stays I'm going to re-do when I get the eye bolts at the show next week-end from mountfleet if you go back to the big gun at the front you will see the deck eye bolt that I used there I like them so have ordered 20 to used around the deck.
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more off the fitting
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All about the stern area
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Theses photo's are about the small bits on the boat but still have to be done.
They are the Large Rigging Screws for the lines from the main mast to the bow
The small rigging screws for more lines
And the nuts and bolts to fix the gallows to the deck
All have been cleaned and small bits taken off I have painted them with three coats of primmer
I know they are boring but got to be done. :-)) :-)) :-))
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:-)) Hi once again well after a short break from doing abit on the boat I did go to the show over the w/e last had a great time.
This photo is about the way i'm going to do my ladders they are made from wood i'm thinking of staining them and coating in varnish I will put them together with the ones I have done out of white metal to see which ones I like.
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up date on things over the past weeks still doing all the small bits and the photos here are about the fittings that hold the gallows to the deck these are the nuts and bolts.
Also a re-do of the lifebelt locker was not happy with the first one, and other parts are the Oropesa float cranes took them out of container that was holding all jobs done and after looking at them both once again was not happy with the paint so to day rub them down with 500 grade paper and re-painted then hope ok for tomorrow when i will put the cord to the cranes etc and get ready to fit them onto the boat. Also have painted well primed the eye bolts will top coat over the next few days. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Todays photos are still about the small bit and some of the lockers,with the lockers which I done during the winter months before xmas had a look at them today and did not like them so I have rub them all down with 800 grade paper and re-painted them so far they look alot better will leave them to harden off and tomorrow will add the bits to them :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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These are the lockers in front of the bridge all done and two lockers each side of the stern gun mounting
Have put the line onto the two Oropesa float cranes just got to put the hocks on and to fix to the stern
Once I have got the lights all fitted inside and outside I will start putting everything together.
Hope you like :-)) :-)) :-))
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The stern area with the depth charges nearly all done only abit to do.
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Theses are the ladders on the side of the bridge and also up to the searchlight got to cut them to size they are 13mm wide Im going to stain them before I fix them.
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This ladder is going to be fixed to the side of the bridge.
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Ladders to get onto the frwd deck from the main deck they are 22mm wide and will be cut to fit
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Just let you see the name plate and where its going to be fix you will see it and it will stand out when all done. :-))
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Sorry its been well over a month since I last posted anything but what with all things going on with my body I have not done much to the boat.
Well I let my boat out of my sight for the past 4 days to a great person who is a good member of Ellesmere Port model Boat Club as I'm no good at doing working lights.
So these photos are the working lights on the Sir Lancelot and what a job my friend has done at the moment alot of the fittings are still not clued down I cannot thank him enough thank you S
Lights done on the f/ward portholes
port/stbd lights
wheelhouse
engine room
cabin under bridge
searchlight
overtaking light
The mast head light is to be done later need the very thin wire to run up the mast
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A few more shots of the lights
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View of the searchlight and a view from the bow
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:-)) Hi heres a update on the build since the lighting has been done I have fixed the searchlight all together.
have also fixed together the upper bridge and lower bridge all together to the superstruct its all looking good
will have to do some more on the boat but have been doing alot around the home as over the past 4 years its been all boats so get the house all painted inside etc it should last for another 4 years sailing.
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looking good wallace :-)) not long until it will be going on the wet stuff?
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Back in the mood for building again so these photo taken this afternoon 28/5/10 in the lovely sunshine.
The photos are the building up of the main deck the main mast has been pin and also 4 holes drilled into the deck to take the brass nuts and bolts so the mast can be removed for transporting to lake its been done that way as the mast head light the wires will run down both sides of the mast and under the deck to join up with all the other wires Im thinking now about putting lights into the companionways and the raised skylight behide the mast.
The photos show most of the fitting fixed to the deck only a few not done.
(Would welcome any comments about it)
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Here's a few more of what I have done today. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Hi Wallace,
Firstly, apologies for not posting previously on your build log - as you know, I've been following the build with much interest, and must say that you are doing a super job. I can't wait to see the finished boat on the water (shouldn't be too long now!!??).
I think we agree that the white-metal stanchions are a little fragile (as mentioned in the latest posting of my build), and the brass items you have used instead look the business. You've done a great job of the railings too.
I see that you have recently been adding items to the front section of the main deck, and notice that (like me) you've had to trim the printed deck overlay, as it's a bit too wide to fit between the bulwark supports!! I've painted the doors to the companionways grey, but looking at yours which you've varnished/stained, I wish in hindsight that I'd done the same - they look much better.
The lights that a friend has done for you look very good indeed - they certainly add that extra touch to any boat.
Keep up the great work Wallace, I'll be looking in regularly!
Best wishes, Paul
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Here's some more photos of the build.
These's photos are what I have done last year but now that the build is really under way these I'm not happy with as you can see the brush marks all over so the first photos are the first ones then I re-rubbed them down re- stained them and re- varnish them.Hope you can see the difference in them.
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after they were re-stained and re-varnished
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As you can see from the photos the finish is alot better than before.
These last few photos are of the Davit for the depth charges hope you like.
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The photos
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well I'm back with some more bits to show you all and once again these are re-dones of what I made last year and when I got them out of storage did not like so re-done again hope you can follow the first ones are all about the rack that stores the lifebelts its shows how I made them upto the the stage of final paint. :-)) :-))
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These photos are about the top yardarm on the main mast was not happy with what I had done before so again redone the lot again and I'm happy with the result theses are the first bits getting done . :-)) :-))
Will post the mast all done when my ship returns to me my friend Steve is putting the lights on the main mast will look great. :-)) :-))
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The Photos are the re=dones of the lifebelts lockers and the water buckets.
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Theses are the rigging for the main mast with the bottlesrews all done just waiting to put onto the main mast
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Just a few more bits that I have done the men have still to be painted
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more photos of the build the stern area nearly all done and some photos of other bits ready to put on and to be redone
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A few more to look at :-)) :-))
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Just an update for you all have got my ship back from my friend and I must say what a fab job he has done on the lights its the first ship that I have built that has lights .
Will post some photos asap with the lights working and the way the weather is going the Sir Lancelot will not be going into the water this year Im looking at spring time next year.
Thanks to all who have followed my build and all your replies .
wallace
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Wallace,
Your finishing work shown here is excellent, very well done and thanks for sharing.
Andrew
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Andrew its been my pleasure to put my build on here for people to look at and hope it has help alot of builders it has helped me as well because I can study the photo of a part that I have done then say its not that good re-do but thats me.
Many thanks for your kind words and now I have my ship back will start building up so will post photos as I go along took some photos of the lights yesterday but the flash is abit to strong in the dark but I will keep on trying will look at the photos to see if any are ok for the site.
wallace :-))
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Heres the best of the photos with the lights on in my work place the Boat yard,hoping you can see them.
wallace
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Hi Wallace,
The lights look great, and they really bring the boat to life.
Were LED lights used, or grain of wheat bulbs?
By the way, have you built the Caldercraft Resolve?, as I am thinking of buying this as my next project.
Regards, Paul.
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Paul thanks for your kind words yes the lights do look fab my mate done a great job will have to learn how to do it myself one day the lights are all LEDs.
About the Resolve it still in the box my girls got it last xmas for me but I promise I would not start it until Sir Lancelot is all done have checked all bits and got the missing bits got all my sand paper ,glues and most of the paints all put into the box ready to start ,have a few times wanted to get started on it but hey no only the other week was going to do the stand but hey ho again no ,the two ships will look great together and I will do the build online again.Just working out all the brass bits I need .
wallace :-))
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This is the big winch to the front of the ship not yet glue in place just wanted to see how it looks.
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Looks good, coming along well.
Are you going to weather her?
Roger in France
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back with a few more photos of the build sorry its been a while but i have been out of action again.
the pictures show the gallows fitted to the deck and also some of the rigging etc. wallace :-))
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more more of the build
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and more last for a while :-))
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What a beautiful build. So crisp.
Glad you're back in action. :-))
Cheers
Ken
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Hi Wallace
Thanks for your kind comments on my build, and sorry to hear that you've been unwell - hope you're now back to full health.
Your boat is looking great - not far to go now!
Keep up the good work Wallace.
Best wishes,
Paul.
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MAY I TAKE YOUR TIME ON MY PAGE OF MY BUILD AS ITS THAT TIME OF THE YEAR AND SAY JUST A FEW WORDS.
A VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE BUILD
AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR.
WILL IN THE NEW YEAR POST MORE PHOTOS OF THE BUILD AND HOPING TO FINISH THE BUILD AND GET IT FINISHED FOR SAILING.
HAPPY XMAS EVERYONE. WALLACE
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Here are a few more photos of the bit that are all done its the chain link from bridge to the rudder
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The last photos this year and in a few weeks time will be into my 3rd year with building the Sir Lancelot not to worry why rush a job.
I have been looking at the hull over the past few weeks and have decided to re-paint not happy with it to many little bits on the ships side so I will remove very carefully the brass portholes and sand down with a very high wet/dry paper and I will also when I re-paint the black line will be redone this time in black satin,got to fine a good soft brush to hand paint the hull.
See you all in 2011. wallace :-)) :-))
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Well here we go again into another year with many days of building and sailing ,the photos that are just posted are about the main mast yard-arm.I covered the ship with bubble wrap down to the water line as I was not happy with the width of the line plus I'm changing the gloss black to matt black so after taping all around then taping the wrap all over the ship I re-done the red lead and cover the gloss black after giving it a fine rub down.I re moved the wrap carefully as I can and everything looked OK was doing something on the main deck and the yard arm did not look right had a close look and one side was down I just touch it and it came away in my hand OH I said
once again white metal lets me down so I have started to re make the yard arm this time out of wood and the blocks are being re-place by brass blocks which look great 9mm x 5mm the other photos are showing my up and down taping for the water line and others on the main deck hoping to get it into the lake this spring. :-))
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Just about the re-painting
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My apologies to all about the last lot of photos a few were a bit out of focus.
So I have put some new ones on here about my yardarm with the metal blocks I'm using.
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Here's what I have been doing today for a few hours,I have been setting up the port and s/board Oropesa floats ready to fix when I am happy,I may re-paint the floats,so at the moment they are sitting on blue tack good ah.
And a photo of the rear its looking good. :-)) :-)) :-)) {-)
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This looks a good un,what like is it to build for a kit as I intend to get it once finances dictate it but will be adding a few subtle changes here and there to do a wee interpritation of an Island class and renamed Suma as my grandfather served as CPO on it and won his MM and other medals as a member of Harry Tates pirates
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This is a reply to Wheedie ,if you have been following my build you will know now its into the 3rd year of building could have finished it a lot sooner but for my health.
I have really enjoyed building it and like everyone you put your own designs on it,alot of the build I have re-done as I was not happy the worst bit about the build was the hull but I have done my best to make it the best,some bits are very testing but like all building if it doesnt look right or you cant work it out walk away and come back to it the following day.White metal bits are 40% good but like all white metal not very strong.
If you want more info please PM me as I dont want to get away from the build and go into chit chat. wallace :-))
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These photos are about the re-painting of the black line I re-done painting it Matt Black
Just a few touch up on the grey needed alot better than the first one.
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Yesterday I at long last fixed the strering chain tubes both sides and also the chequuar plate platforms both sides I have fixed them so they dont move when the superstructure is taken off,
Also I have put into position the Oropesa float cranes and as a safe measure I have pinned both so if they get touch down at the lake by little hands they wont fall over pictures show how I done it hope they look ok to one and all.My black line had three coats of matt black and has dry well so happy with the build ,and Im going to put Lancelot into my fish pond to weigh it down to the water line my pond is so clear and clean and not like the boating lake plus I can take my time,its getting a bit hevy now to take up stairs to the bath. Hope you like the photos
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Just a few more
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Spent only one hour this afternoon on the boat and fitted the two Oropesa floats and once again the white metal let me down as one of the brackets broke but manage to get it all fixed with a little help from super glue.The weather changed so fast and its got cold again. :-)) :-))
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Just got the name plate done and these photos show me planing the centre of the stand
also a photo of the brass blocks on the yardarm on the main mast
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Just a few more about the name plate setting up plinth with name plate and also the top yardarm with the brass blocks
and the supporting wire which is brass rod. :-))
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Heres a few more of the buold these are once again about the main mast yard-arm they show that the brass blocks are now fixed onto
the yard arm and the stays that support it is getting ready will fix it all together when I fix the yard arm to the main mast.
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Well at long last I have done the yard-arm its all fixed to the main mast and all the blocks are fixed in place by very thin wire
holes were drill through the yard-arm to take the wire a tiny bit of super glue added and after all was set I cut the wire as close to the yardarm as I could the rest were filed flat all repainted and the stays are out of brass wire for support that is also painted black and spotted with a little glue sorry the picture is not to clear but will re-take on another day.I also fixed the deck plates for the main mast stays and the two side stays.
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Hi Wallace,
She's looking great - must be getting near to her maiden voyage :-))
Keep up the good work.
Best wishes,
Paul
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Thanks Paul yes I'm getting there the only touble is everything that i'm fixing on that I have made before I dont like and i'm re-doing getting abit fussie but yes I'm so happy the way she is coming along I keep saying I must start to weigh it down so when the good weather comes along I'm going to put the lead in and do it in my fish pond also I have to move the on and off switch's to the stern and box them in as not to keep taking the superstruct of and also work out how to best do the charging of the 12v battery keeping it in the boat.Had some good tips but I'm no good at it.
Glad that you like the build and many thanks for all your kind replies over the months of building.
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Heres some more of the build the main deck is nearly all done and the support wires to the main mast are not fixed as yet I have now taken them off and given them two coats of red lead priimer and I will leave them for 48 hrs to harden then paint black.
I put one of the fittings on the main deck in the wrong place yesterday by the time I found out the glue had gone off but I did get it off just broke the bottom abit but alls well and all mended wow
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more of the build I just get carried away so pleased the way the ship is coming to life
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Heres what I have done today I added the support pillars between the lower and upper bridge.
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nice looking boat wallace :-)) fair play, your hard work is paying off!
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Todays photos are about the rigging the end bits early photos show you how I started making the rigging so today I had a few good hours and got one side done hope you like the top off the rigging went through small brass shackles which went through a small brass ring the top was whipped with cord and glue into place and all end bits cut of with a hot blade.
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some more of the rigging and bits
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Just getting on with the small bits thats always take hours to do,so today I finish doing the rigging so both sides are done I'm pleased with the way its turned out.
and the other photos are of the fittings I had to make to put onto the mast which I done with two brass rings and super glued in place will have to re paint but never mine. :-)) :-)) O0
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More of the build being added these are the lockers and flag locker on the front of the bridge.
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More more of the build mostly of the stays etc
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looking good Wallace :-))
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I Say ,Your not going to put that Exhibition Model ,Beauty ,in the murky lake ,surely .Nice looking job ,you do build a good vessel .
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Well after 2 years and three months of building with the help of my health I can wait to get it in the water to see how she goes will have to start putting in the weights will try it all out in my fish pond at home.
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Now I See ,,the Grey is ,as said ,well done ,and thankyou .
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A few more shots of the rigging put together got to do it so as to make it easy to un hook so the superstruct can be taken of still looking for a way to leave the battery in and re-charge ?????
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Nearly at the end of doing all the rigging lines etc just need a few more brass blocks
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theses photos are the first of the build outside in the sunshine the first time Sir Lancelot has seen the outside world hope you like I think she is looking great I think my best build so far. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
The first ones are some more bits added.
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first full photo of Sir Lancelot outside she looks great
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these last three are was left to be put onto Lancelot still a few more weeks until all done maybe abit longer have to go in for another opperation in 2 weeks O0 :-)) :-))
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Looking very good indeed Wallace, not too far to go now!
Best wishes for a speedy recovery :-))
Regards, Paul.
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Thanks Paul no not long now just going to extend on/off switch's for the lights and the motor have made a box to sit on the empty wooden platform at the rear you know where,it will save me from taking the superstructure on/off all the time when not sailing I will have a go but not to good at the electrics the wires are so thin. :-)) :-)) :-))
PS any ideas from anyone
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These photos are about extending the wire from the speed controller and the light Im made up that I have done it as Im no good at the hot iron with solder
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The photo shown was the wires all working and the next ones are for the other switch which is for the lights all working hope you can see so pleased with myself.
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At long last the wires are done and fit A1 ok just a few holes drilled out and a new locker made so all the photos are showing from the switchs and the covers.
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To day was the first time Sir Lancelot has seen water as its to big to get upstairs and into the bath and I think too big for the bath
I had to share my fish pond with my boat so hes is the first photos of it in the water to ballast its take alot and it weighs a ton got told off for lifting it in and out of the pond. %) :-)) :-)) :}
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a few more photos of trying to get the weight A1 ok in my pond
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photos taken at my club show on April 10th at New Brighton along with my other boats I entered my Sir Lancelot although it was not finish alot of interest was taken of my boat and she looked great in the open.the competition was static models made by there owners but no catagories it was all in lost out by half a point.
wallace :-)
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Absolute credit to you in the build of Sir Lancelot wallace...... :-)) ....regards Derek O0............
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Hi Wallace, you had been a busy boy :D
Well done, mate!
Jörg
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It looks really good now you are near the end of the build - it must have been one hell of a boat to beat you in the competition.
Geoff
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What can I say well first of all many many thanks for all the kind reports you have wrote about my build it means so much to me and I have really enjoyed building it and special thanks to the lovely people on here who have help me and put me right on things about the build I just cannot thank you enough thank you thank you thank you.
I was a little bit sad i didnot get into the top three but there you go always a next time at our show and this time the boat will be all done but without me and my boat there would never have been a winner :o
Jorg have not forgot about you and when I have taken all the photos the last ones will be in the boating lake on its first trip I will put all the photos onto DVD for upto now photos stand at 776 of the build from day one would you still like one and will the DVD work over there.keep in touch
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wallace....very difficuilt to spot any error here from 20,000 km away.......but in image 776...... I see the hull as gloss >>:-( .....could this have lost you 1/2 a score point? ...... :embarrassed: Derek %)
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Hi to you at so many miles away hello Derek yes the hull is gloss that is due to I was in the Royal Navy for 12 years in the seamenship branch and have painted so many ship sides and all the ones I painted well help paint were all gloss paint and the paint I have used is the true colour paint for the R.N But anyway derek many thanks for your kind words.
Here are a few more photos of the build and these photo are showing you the big mistake I made with the f/ward port holes on the stbd side.
I was fixing the pennant number T228 to the port side and it just went on below the port holes.
Went to do the same on the stbd side and there was no room to fix the pennant number,so the photos show port holes remove ,
the two holes open up in the correct postion, and the pennant number fix by blue tack so I could make the holes in the right place and the 3rd photo shows how it should look from the port side.
Will fill the the old part of holes with f/glass tomorrow leave to go off rub down and file the hole to the right size in the right place.Then re-paint with primmer ,undercoat then top coat Im sure all will look good when done hope to have it done by next week some time
I have always said if im not happy I do it again well this is the biggest mistake as yet, :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) wallace
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These photos show what I have done to put the port holes right
Photo 1 filled with f/glass
photo 2 Rubbed down
photo 3 painted again
I may have to refill a little bit as i can see day light around part of port holes but I will get it right
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Hi Wallace,
Your boat's looking fabulous, very well done indeed.
I admire the way you go back and change things if you're not 100% happy with what you've done, even if it means alot of extra work.
Looking forward to seeing your S.L. on the water in the near future.
Regards,
Paul
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Those brass window frames seen in the first few photos really are nice. I'll bet it must have taken you a lot of patience and skill to make them that good.
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Once again Paul many thanks for kind words just a few more bits to go was going to put the whole boat into my pond to ballast right down but the weather was so nice on Sunday took me sheila - R and had a play for 4 hours and Monday was a black one for me got something on my pc and its taken me up to now to put right but I done it.
The brass windows a friend on mayhem done them for me and what a great job he done I only done the rivets.
wallace :-)) :-)) :-))
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Three photos putting the port holes back in and also fixing the pennent number onto the bow so all is done
and I'm happy with the out come. :-))
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These photos are the re make of the switches for my power to motor and for the lights the ones I done in earlier photos I just did not like so I re-made the platform and the switches just fell into place thats me all over do it over and over until its right this time I did get it right hope you like.
wallace :-))
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Photos of the wooden ladders i made in place of the white metal ones you have seen photos of the ladders earlier but now these have been cut down to size and all have brass hand rails fitted.
wallace :-))
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Nearly forgot all about the poor old anchor here it is all painted just hanging around ready to get fitted
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Got three brass anchors would make that .. but you dont want the ships chandlers name do you ,lots of stuff goin at scullys skem ,.
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Heres a look into my boatyard where I spend alot of my time with my boats and building I do try and keep it tidy and clean.
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Just been trying to put some more photos on here cant do it. wallace
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Heres the photo I promise you yesterday (Admin done great job in fixing)
All the photos are the last bits to be added and jazz up or re-done not long before its in the lake.
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more more more of the build hope you like wallace
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Hi Wallace
Thats a lovley looking model you have their! :-)) :-))
Thanks Dave:)
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Just a quick update on the build just got to the boat falls awaiting to order the brass blocks and to fit the anchor been putting it off for ages have got to drill into the hull to fit the anchor got to get it right as I dont want to get water inside when me mind is right and the weather is for building I will drill and eprox all around rub down then paint reason for drilling is I dont want to just glue it on as moving hands at the lake side will always break something so Im playing safe.
Here are a few photos of my boats taken by my mate at the club show just wanted to share them with you all.
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Here's the Sir Lancelot in my garden pond with the fish swimming around her and the S/L just abouts fits in but just great to get the final balance done,the last time was getting the weight right without the superstructor fitted,so when fitted in the pond on Sat4th June 2011 the boat just keeled over to port it took around two hours to get it right ,it was in and out of the pond top of then back on still could not get it right so out it came again took the small 12v battery out from the bow and re-place it with the big 12v so now the boat had two 12v battery's in one for the motors and lights and a dead one up in the bows (will have to weigh the 12v battery and replace it with lead that I have )dont want the battery moving when its in the water,also on both side in the hull is lead so now the Sir Lancelot is at its full weight around 56lbs its a very heavy boat.
All that left to do now is the brass blocks on the lifeboat and fixing the anchor then onto sea trails but will not put it in the boating lake at New Brighton as the water has drop a good 12 inches and the lake is contaminated and needs cleaning but club cant do it just yet as the builders have not give us water.
Hope you like the photos only a few more to take then photos on the move in the lake.
If anyone would like a DVD with all the photos of the build I would be pleased to do so,many thanks to everyone for looking and all the kind replies.
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Hi Wallace
Looking absolutely brilliant on the water - you must be looking forward very much to sailing her on the lake.
My S.L. already has two 12v batteries in it, one below the main winch, and one in front of it, so I was happy to read from your posting that this extra weight is needed up front!
Well done again Wallace, look forward to some more photos of S.L. under full steam!
Regards,
Paul
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she looks fantastic, wallace....just needs a little rough weather to get her head into now for a full action shot...enjoy sailing her.
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These photos are about re-doing the ships boat and bits that I missed not much more to do now.
I took the ships boat of S/L and it made it so easy to work on on the worktop all that it needs is to be put back onto the boat deck and fixed into place,I also done the supports arm for the superstructor port and stbd sides and at long last drill into the hull and fixed the anchor just needs abit of paint so after 2.7 months of building the Sir Lancelot just waiting for the boating lake to be cleaned out and hopefully into the water to see how she goes.DVD's will be done to all who want.
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next from the boatdeck
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Will post a few more re-dones S/L has not been in the lake as yet waiting for the parks/gardens dept to get the lake done water is to low to put a heavy boat in will post photos very soon. wallace
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Update on the sailing at the moment the lake is still not done so its first sail in open water will be when it happens please follow my new build...
its called RESOLVE - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31931.msg315278#msg315278 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31931.msg315278#msg315278)
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:-)) Well at long last the boating lake at New Brighton has been done and the corner that was cut out by the builders has now been filled in and a inlet has been done and fitted to the lake and last week one of the members of our model boat society has filled the lake up-to 4 inches from the top had a sail this w/e and putting the boats in was just great no more back breaking by putting the boats in when the water is nearly 2 foot from the top.
So with the Sir Lancelot weighing around 90lbs the water height is just right I can now get S/L into the lake and see how she goes and to ballast up rightly.Photos will be taken so watch this space and also on our web site wallasey model boat society.co.uk
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Latest update on the Sir Lancelot 99% all done only the crew to paint up and two flags to make.
Well yesterday Sunday was the day she was going to be put into the boating lake as the club was having a Warship day run by Dave Wooley arrived at the lake at 08.50am in the pooring rain and having a good old chat with Dave the time was way passed 09.30am and everywhere was getting flooded Dave said its not a good day to have will go again in Sept.
Heres Sir Lancelot sitting in the car with all the gear to ballast her up and try her out on the lake well always another time.
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Your Sir Lancelot looks spectacular Wallace... :-)) will be good to she her on the water when your rain stops..........Derek
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Many thanks for your kind words I will pass them on to my Sir Lancelot she will be so pleased.
As we all know to get things spot on so its runs well on the water the weather has to be kind.
Will post photos when I do it.
wallace :-)) :-)) :-))