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Title: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 06, 2008, 01:20:16 PM
I will be posting updates on my current project, HMS Tireless in 1/64, in her 2004 guise. She is based on an old Eden/ Sheerline Trafalgar hull (the current Sheerline Trafalgar has a few updates). I purchased this second hand (this hull has been halfway around the world, to the States, France and now now back home) and some work had already been done, notably to the sail and side flank sonar arrays, which I have continued. The original propulsor shroud was replaced with a more scale like version which will require a little more profiling before its right.

I acquired this hull early in the year and started renovating and accurizing her but neglected to take suitable pictures. I have just started on her again and will be documenting a little more thoroughly this time.  The full series of pictures will be on my website, with only the poignant ones here for clarity. I only purchased the hull, so I will be building a watertight module for her on the same vein as the one on my Akula ( which has pr oven very reliable to date) but with a few refinements.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/xin_2720304221125203197766.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/HMSTIRELESS.jpg)


Here are are the some parts of the hull. Bits weren't fitting to my satisfaction, so I have stripped everything back to start again. I have done some work on the planes and ballast tank vents.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5084.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5085.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5087.jpg)

There are some extra holes and tubes fitted to the lower hull (the original builder was going to fit a  different type of ballast system) which will need to be removed and filled and the tile pattern re-scribed.


There is a gap between the the shroud and propulsor which will need to be filled and profile which is the next task.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5090.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 06, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
Ramesh, What's the inside diameter of the shroud, and the diameter of the propulsor?

I ask because I'm wondering if the Vanguard propulsor might fill out the gap for you. I'm sure Simon would cast you up a separate prop for a reasonable price if you're lucky with the dimensions.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 06, 2008, 02:25:47 PM
Thanks Andy, I have actually made a start filling out the gap with putty and sanding back, and its actally turning out better than I hoped. Its too late to get a measurement of the inside of the shroud now without chiping off the filler. Obviously if it all goes belly up I'll give that a go.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Sub driver on December 06, 2008, 05:00:27 PM
Hi Mankster,

I will watch with interest as always
regards Sub.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on December 06, 2008, 06:17:01 PM
Ramesh, stick a link in to youre site please, googling a big fat zero
colin
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 06, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
Ramesh, stick a link in to youre site please, googling a big fat zero
colin

Click on the little globe under my avatar, the link under my signature or from my profile page, take your pick..... ok2


Ok here you go....  www.rcmodelsubmarines.co.uk
(graphic intensive flash based site, those on dial up beware)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: das boot on December 06, 2008, 06:59:29 PM
Good luck with it Ramesh, I know it will be perfect...

Rich
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on December 06, 2008, 08:15:55 PM
This should put other T's in the shade - glad I'm selling mine!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 07, 2008, 07:26:46 PM
Thanks guys, my aim is to make it as true to scale in appearance and performance as possible.


I filled the gap between the propulsor and shroud with epoxy putty and sanded it smooth and it came out rather well. Given that there is no puplic information on how the real one looks exactly, I can live this  :-) The new profile of the exterior of the reworked shroud is better seen in the second picture.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5107.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5110.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 08, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
The top an bottom hull donít quite meet at the stern. It will clamp together but I didnít want to put any tension into to the hull. Small gaps can normally be filled  but then the stern wouldnít taper smoothly to the propulsion cone.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5179.jpg)

I made a vertical cut with a razor saw, but not all the way so as to separate the top hull into 2.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5181.jpg)

 I then jimmied a 50p coin into the top which opened up a gap enough to push the stern of the top hull down to meet the bottom perfectly.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5184.jpg)

I used epoxy putty to fill the gap

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5185.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 08, 2008, 04:33:36 PM
The propulsor has come out better than I thought it would.

What motor are you going to be using for drive?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 08, 2008, 08:01:11 PM
I haven't figured what motor to use yet. Its probably going outside the dive module so I am flexible. I was thinking along the lines of a Graupner 720 Torque motor (4100rpm no load) on direct drive. I think Sheerline supply a 550 type motor with a 5:1 gearbox. I am not sure if this is a commercial unit or an inhouse item. I wonder if a gearbox will add bulk and noise.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 08, 2008, 09:16:14 PM
I think a 720BB will work very well . The Trafalgar's I've seen use a planetary gearbox for reduction, which are very compact. But you have a lot of room inside the hull for a larger motor.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 12, 2008, 10:18:03 AM
The hull is moulded thickly with polyester resin and is self supporting, hence the top hull is designed to sit entirely on the bottom and be removed in 1 piece. This makes hooking up the top rudder a little harder. To help with alignment and simply the rudder arrangement, I have gone the more common way & cut the back of the top hull and will bond it to the bottom.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5192.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5195.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 14, 2008, 09:52:42 AM
Some hull detail.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5116.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5174.jpg)


I have taken a break from the hull and moved on to the dive module. Once again I am making the innards out of PVC.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5200.jpg)

Here are the 10 discs that will go to making the entire module. The outer 2
4 discs will be the endcaps, and the slightly small diameter central 6 will form the module (not shown is the central servo/equipment tray)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5210.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on December 14, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
comin along a treat.
hope you figure out a wat too make the hull stay joined. dont fancy rescuing a top half again.
colin
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 14, 2008, 01:44:17 PM
I would use that little 'widget' that is sited forward of the conning tower as a fastner. Either attach a machine screw to it's underside, or (better) make a baynet lock pin (think of a  light bulb) that attaches underneath. Invisible, and bomb proof.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 14, 2008, 02:32:24 PM
With the Akula, I had to pack quite a bit of foam into to the upper hull to stop her rolling. So it was pretty buoyant and kept wanting to rip itself off when submerged, a more positive locking mechanism would have been the way to go with that boat. The Typhoon had the same system but at the top hull wasnt positively buoyant, and there was no such problem. I'll wait and see how this one turns out  :-)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on December 14, 2008, 04:22:25 PM
on the other hand its so much more fun to watch SOMEONESELSES boat sail in 2 seperate directions
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 14, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
I'll be passing by the model shop this week. They used to have some Protech 720BB's in stock £16-17 IIRC. Would you like me to pick one up if they still have any?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on December 14, 2008, 07:00:09 PM
looking well mate, just started on the WTC for my Vanguard this afternoon,I'm makng the end caps in Resin (As I did for my Gato), turned down & fitted with O rings,I used Perspex on the Alpha but it was a struggle on my small lathe.

I'll set up a build post when I get going a bit more.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 14, 2008, 07:40:06 PM
I'll be passing by the model shop this week. They used to have some Protech 720BB's in stock £16-17 IIRC. Would you like me to pick one up if they still have any?

I'll be fitting the motor/ gearbox from the Sheerline Trafalgar, it seems to work very well on 12v with the propulsor and is pretty compact. I plan to use the WTC is my Alfa hull and that has a pretty heavy  prop, so a 720BB would come in handy. So yes please- get me one if they still have some. I should be able to make the morning session of Brockwell Lido Sub run on the 11th of next month, so I'll pick it up there.

looking well mate, just started on the WTC for my Vanguard this afternoon,I'm makng the end caps in Resin (As I did for my Gato), turned down & fitted with O rings,I used Perspex on the Alpha but it was a struggle on my small lathe.

I'll set up a build post when I get going a bit more.

Ahh good..., Tireless will have a SSBN to accompany, if not at one of the  Brockwell runs, at Norwich in the summer.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on December 14, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
Hoping to be on the water by the Feb run, PC & I are going to pay you a visit.

Itching to get started on the V, my lad's away on the real thing at the moment - under the water till March!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 14, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
The other alternative would be to look at a brushless motor. Robbe do a nice unit which they're using on the 212 kit.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 17, 2008, 09:32:21 AM
I have finished cutting out and drilling all the pvc pieces that will go to make the innards of the WTC. Just have to cut the rods and tubes that will hold everything together. Total length will be 85cm/33.5" with a diameter of 110cm/ 4.5". The motor will be house in a smaller separate dedicated WTC which will be specific for the boat while the main module can be moved. Batteries will be 2x 12v NiHM packs housed under the WTC, in the wet area of the sub.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5213-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 17, 2008, 03:09:47 PM
More PVC than a bondage convention!

No 720bb's available at 308. Apparently they sold out a while ago, and Protech aren't supplying them anymore.

Might be worth doing a search on here, as I seem to recall someone was knocking out Graupner 720's fairly cheaply.

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 22, 2008, 11:26:23 PM
I received the motor I am going to power Tireless from Sheerline Model Submarines. Its the same drive unit they currently supply in their 1/64 Trafalgar kits. Shown next to a 550 motor for size comaprison. The motor itself is a 385 sized unit, which is mated to a smooth turning 5:1 compact planetary gearbox. All Sheerline Trafs I have seen have had more than enough motive power on 12v using this motor-gearbox driving the same multiblade prop as mine, so this should do fine.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5214-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on December 23, 2008, 07:57:56 AM
you dont hang around do you? rready for the first brockwell in 2009 then!!!??? :-))
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 23, 2008, 09:38:02 AM
you dont hang around do you? rready for the first brockwell in 2009 then!!!??? :-))


Whilst I aim to make it for the morning session of the Jan 11 Pool run, Tireless will never be ready for that. I'll do my best to get her to a sailable condition for the last Brockwell Lido run of the season. Not much time to spend on her over the holidays, still fine tuning the bits that to make the WTC, working out where the electronics will all go. I am planning on fitting 2 ESC's so I can  use it with twin motor subs as well but I havent got them yet.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 23, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
Have you purchased your ESC's yet?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 23, 2008, 05:45:42 PM
Nope!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 30, 2008, 11:23:57 PM
The main WTC is nearly done, just electronics to install and wireup, and shorten the tie rods. I couldn't resist puting it all together to see how it looks. Its a rather different construction to Turbulents Vanguard, under construction at the moment, as I will be using piston tanks in this one.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5229.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5239.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5235.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5238.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on December 31, 2008, 11:30:42 AM
You like your Piston tanks  - only had my P Boat fitted with the Ron perrot type & had nothing but trouble with them. I have to admit that when working the system is very stable.
Engineering Pistons is still a little out of my league as well!

Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on December 31, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
I will be using Engel piston tanks in this one but piston tanks are relativily easy to make. If you can turn an end cap you can make a piston. I looked into it for this build before taking the easy wayout, but I will be making my own small piston trim tanks for my next build. The hardest part is finding a source of cheap spur gears and matching pinion (unless you know how to cut your own) and press fitting the ballrace bearing which carries the piston rod on the spur gear. easiest solution seem to be Orings on the actual piston, though Airzet seats are neater but hard to get holf of, in the UK at least
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 31, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
You don't need to worry about press fits these days, we have Loctite.  :-))

Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on December 31, 2008, 04:15:06 PM
I'm going to have a go at building a Piston one of these days, I've an idea how I want to do it.

I think MFA do Brass gears.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on December 31, 2008, 04:34:24 PM
somewhere on this site is a link to a manufacturer of gears. cant remember where, may be in the lifeboat section. when i get more time i'll oink it out and post it here.
off to destoy the last of my brain cells now, so have a good'un, and all the best
colin
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on December 31, 2008, 07:45:01 PM
HPC do gears, but aren't cheap.

Muffett are cheaper, as they also sell moulded gears (HPC are machine cut). Metals gears aren't essential, and from a wear point of view, plastic is better, but they will need to be thicker to avoid stripping.

Very cheap options include stripping junked printers (especially laser printers), old electric drills. Also worth looking at spare parts for R/C cars, as the gears for these can often be quite reasonabley priced.

Meccano have brass gears available. There not especially cheap, but they're strong and well made from brass and/or plastic.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on February 04, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
I had most of last month off building, but I am back at it now. Here I have nearly completed the separate motor housing. I am installing the motor in its own small WTC which can be dedicated to the particular sub with just the main WTC containing the ballast tank moved between hulls. I figured the slow turning geared motor for this multibladed prop may not be suitable for other sub where I usually direct drive the props. Though to be honest, I can only seem my self using the main WTC in 1 other hull, my other hulls will probably have a dedicated dive system.

Here are the bits that go together the ALU motor mount that also holds the Simmering seal is fashioned after the Engel item that is supplied in the Lafayette kit.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/j2.jpg)

Here is dry fitted. I still have to make the oring seals for the endcaps and tidy off the threaded rod. I will be using domed nuts and small orings to waterproof the threaded rod ends. The unit id 60mm dia and 10cm long.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/j1.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 05, 2009, 10:31:42 AM
What's that purple 'Signal Quality' device?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on February 05, 2009, 12:35:02 PM
What's that purple 'Signal Quality' device?

Its an 8Ch Receiver by Schulze. its an a 40Mhz PPM rx that has onboard signal post processing and can filter out glitches and interferance passing on only clean signals to the servos. Used mainly by the flyboys on 35Mhz but useful for submarines and fast electrics. It has a 'glitch counter to show how many times the RX has had to correct the signal, so helps with rx and aerial placement, range checks and an indiction of  how 'electrically dirty' the enviroment your sailing in is. http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.com/alpha-e.htm IMHO these are one  of the best 40MHZ FM Rx's available, they take Futaba crystals too.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on February 05, 2009, 12:37:19 PM
Another good 40MHZ rx is the Hyperion range that also features transmitter recognition, so if someone else switches on, on your frequency, it only accepts signals from yours.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on February 05, 2009, 01:04:21 PM
Trying to get hold of a simmering seal - where'd you get yours?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on February 05, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
Trying to get hold of a simmering seal - where'd you get yours?
I've got a stack of these 4mm x 11mm, PM your address and I'll put one in the post gratis.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on February 06, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
PM sent - Cheers mate.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on March 11, 2009, 09:37:04 AM
All gone quiet down there!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on March 13, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
Yep, had a big tidy up in the garage, WTC nearly done, just a bit of wiring to sort out. Then its back to sorting out the hull. Pics soon.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on April 17, 2009, 11:35:17 PM
After a couple of months busy with other things, I have finally got around to doing some more work on this project. The WTC is now finished save for save for fitting the push rod seals and other tiny bits. Pitch controller still to be fitted. I hope to have her bath tested in a week. 2x 600ml piston tanks and Engel controller. Battery is 12v 4.6AH and goes under the WTC.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m1.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m3.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m2.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m7.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m5.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m4.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m6.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Circlip on April 18, 2009, 02:53:03 PM
That's a really well executed lump of engineering Mankster.   :-))

  Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on April 20, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Tight, but she fits  :-)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/m8.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Sub driver on April 21, 2009, 04:39:48 PM
OOOOh Matron !

Very nice build as always . :-))
Well done

Regards Sub.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: TCC on April 21, 2009, 05:32:49 PM
Tight, but she fits  :-)
... said the inexperienced groom!  :-))

Great build quality to the alterations!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on April 28, 2009, 07:34:18 PM
Thanks guys  :embarrassed:

Tested the WTC for the first time today and it all went swimingly! Shes water tight and much more bouyant than my previous affair. Next step is to strap her down to hull and get a rough idea where I need to go regarding trimming.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/tt.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on April 28, 2009, 08:39:55 PM
Looking well, Vanguard's all weathered up & getting her first proper run out this weekend - bang on Schedule!.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Circlip on April 29, 2009, 11:56:13 AM
This a model of the Navy's new stealth sub Mankster????   %)

Regards  Ian
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: bbdave on April 29, 2009, 11:14:13 PM
Can i just ask how do you get your battery and cables watertight?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 02, 2009, 08:56:29 PM
Can i just ask how do you get your battery and cables watertight?

The battery pack has is covered with thick heat shrink tubing, and the ends sealed with silicone. I am using bullet connectors for all the fires and just slide a small section of silicone fuel tubing over the join to water proof (you can just about see them on the picture).
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on May 02, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
mankster, take it youre batteries are permantly sealed? what about charging? do these batteries vent when charging? if so, what about the gas build up?
by the way, looking good, the sub, not you  :}
colin
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 02, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
mankster, take it youre batteries are permantly sealed? what about charging? do these batteries vent when charging? if so, what about the gas build up?
by the way, looking good, the sub, not you  :}
colin

Hi Colin, yes the are permantly sealed (well I can remove the silicone and cut the heatshrink if need be) I have no idea if they vent when charged. I guess any gas under pressure will find its way out even if it is between the wires and the insulation. There haven't been any bubbles or anything nasty building up under the heatshrink when I have charged them, done 3 charge discharge cycles at 1C so far without any issues.
Ramesh
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 03, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
mankster, take it youre batteries are permantly sealed? what about charging? do these batteries vent when charging? if so, what about the gas build up?
by the way, looking good, the sub, not you  :}
colin

Hi Colin, yes the are permantly sealed (well I can remove the silicone and cut the heatshrink if need be) I have no idea if they vent when charged. I guess any gas under pressure will find its way out even if it is between the wires and the insulation. There haven't been any bubbles or anything nasty building up under the heatshrink when I have charged them, done 3 charge discharge cycles at 1C so far without any issues.
Ramesh

Never had any issues with batteries used like this - got them in 2 subs & now converting an Akula to the same system.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 04, 2009, 08:26:35 PM
I have a ton of putty drying, which mean plenty of sanding and scribing to come. I figured I show some 'dirty' pictures before everything been sanded down and the evidence covered with primer. Those of you familar with Eden/Sheerline Trafalgar kit will spot plenty of changes already.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/r4-1.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/r1-3.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/r2-3.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/r3-1.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/r5.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 06, 2009, 08:26:40 PM
nice detailing - looking forward to seeing it in the flesh next weekend
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 10, 2009, 03:54:42 PM
More pictures..

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k8.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k4-1.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k5.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k6.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k7.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k3-1.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k2.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 10, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
The paint need matting down, but looks closer to the real thing in natural light. This is the look I am going for.

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/ShipPhotoHMSTireless4.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: das boot on May 10, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
Amazing workmanship Ramesh...awesome.


Rich
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 10, 2009, 10:02:18 PM
Dont eckon my Vanguard colouring is far out by the look of it!

I've gone for similar Scopes,  - Diesel exhaust & main Scope - apparently these are the main ones up on the surface.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 14, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Well she is all done bar ballasting and some minor detailing, like draft number which haven't arrived.  I'll get some pictures outdoors on Sunday. I've settled on fetching Volvo colour :) . She doesn't quite fit into the bath and my ballasting tank is has been emptied and put away so while she may sail on the surface she isn't going under quite yet, That will have to wait till the Summer pool run next month. Anyone else going to make this....




(http://www.postimage.org/Pq1HO_OJ-4c8f7c5c6c34675c14a5a0377cf78975-1024.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on May 14, 2009, 08:39:30 PM
I've settled on fetching Volvo colour :) .

Does that mean your sub will always have it's lights on then?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 14, 2009, 09:32:13 PM
 :D
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Albion on May 15, 2009, 02:39:59 AM
Need to make a pine stand for it too, maybe Ikea has something suitable %%
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on May 15, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
Ramesh likes to give his subs a cosmopolitan slant. Last year he turned his Lafayette into a mobile fondue set.  :P
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: colin-stevens on May 15, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
he also produced a stripper, kept losing its top half
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 15, 2009, 09:29:45 PM
Ramesh likes to give his subs a cosmopolitan slant. Last year he turned his Lafayette into a mobile fondue set.  :P

My wallet wont forget that  :((, Pauls promised no weeds this time. We shall see....
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 16, 2009, 03:54:57 PM
You're ok, the weed issue has been addressed  :-))

Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 19, 2009, 10:00:14 AM
Here are some pictures of Tireless almost done bar final triming and some detailing. She hasn't sailed yet, but she promises to be easier to set up than my previous Akula.


(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0007.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0012.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0010.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0011.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0006.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 19, 2009, 10:55:53 AM
Can you let me have the Paint details please Ramesh, the old man wants his boat refinished. cheers.

Thanks for the Video footage  -some of the most realistic I've seen  :-))
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 19, 2009, 11:07:51 AM
I used 'Volvo Dark Grey' out of a spray can form Halfords (one of the standard premixed jobies). It comes out a bit shiney...

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/k1.jpg)

But I give it a few coats of Matte Varnish to seal and its fine....

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/SANY0007.jpg)

Halfords Matt black for the anti skid and Satin black for thee reliefs.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Circlip on May 19, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Looks absolutely superb (no not that class) Mankster, problem is, if FOSM sees it he'll want them ALL cleaning up.  O0   :-))

    Regards   Ian.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: das boot on May 19, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
Magnificent Ramesh....awe inspiring workmanship. I congratulate you, sir....

Rich
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: sheerline on May 19, 2009, 08:54:26 PM
So refreshing to see such a nicely finished and detailed boat such as this!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on May 19, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
Those of you who've seen this boat up close will agree that the photo's dont do it justice.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: dan on May 19, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
it is a beautiful looking sub  O0
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on May 31, 2009, 08:00:51 PM
Thanks guys, Triming tials are under way. This I reckon is going to be my surfaced waterline, its the highest I have seen pictures of these subs.


(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/IMG_5392-1.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on June 14, 2009, 09:52:50 PM
Well, she had her first outing and and everything went well. She sailed better than I expected as I hadn't had a chance to dymanically trim her before this outing. No leaks! The Microgyros 20A ESC I fitted for the first time performed beautifully and I was able to creep along at snails pace, with plenty of variation right up to full speed. The motor/gear box combo gave perfect scale speed, she turns very well indeed under and not too bad on the surface. She holds depth very well even at slow speeds. Video coming soon, but here are a couple of pictures for now...


 (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/t2-5.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/Wheelerdealers/t1-6.jpg)
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on June 15, 2009, 09:51:38 AM
Heres the video of her maiden voyage......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPtkPdN85d8&fmt=18
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: jonny shoreboy on June 16, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
Cool video with nice dramatic music! She looks like she sails superbly! Great place to sail her too!
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: derekwarner on June 16, 2009, 12:09:05 PM
Hi all......I am not a submarine fan....but the six minutes of viewing with the music score is great & ...............great under water chase photography

Congratulations.......Mankster  :-)).......................regards Derek
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on June 16, 2009, 10:34:03 PM
Just noticed - no front planes - Why? {:-{
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on June 16, 2009, 10:35:11 PM

I was hypnotised.  Couldn't stop watching it. Brilliant.   :-)) :-))

ken
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on June 16, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed it.

Just noticed - no front planes - Why? {:-{

Main reason is it is a headache to hook up as the planes should go above the midline separation on the top hull, to keep scale appearance. The WTC is equiped for front planes though, so may be at the first refit. But I have good depth holding even at very slow pace first time out, and I can make accurate depth changes with the rear planes with very little pitch change. I dont know if front planes will make much differance. And I think she looks better and more streamlined with them in the retracted position.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Turbulent on June 17, 2009, 11:01:47 AM
Agreed, she looks good without them, to be honest I used mine to trim her & hold a better line when diving.

Watched the vid' & it does you proud! I was going to come to the Lido with Paul C but forgot it was on, are you coming up to Norwich again in August?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on June 17, 2009, 10:46:23 PM
Have you considered housing a servo in separate mini wtc, and connecting a watertight umbilical?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: reinhard on June 18, 2009, 06:11:43 PM
Hi Ramesh
Fantastic model. Beautiful paint job.
Dennis
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on June 18, 2009, 07:41:57 PM

Thanks Dennis. Its is much easier to do on these modern subs.


Have you considered housing a servo in separate mini wtc, and connecting a watertight umbilical?

Thats an option I am considering. As I already have a bow push rod free, I was also thinking of a magnetic coupling between the pushrod and the bow planes. But to be honest I am still to be convinced if there will be significant performance advantage in this particular model as she handles pretty well already. I did make use of the bow planes on the Typhoon on Sunday for the first time and they are usefull, but theres a long lag before they seem to have any effect and only at very low speeds.

Did you feel the Lafayette would have benifited from working sail planes?
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on June 18, 2009, 08:33:01 PM
Well the Typhoon's a big old barge,plus you don't have the benefit of the prop wash like the rear vanes. I'm quite amazed it handles as well as it does.

Sail planes on the Lafayette, hmmm that would be very tricky to set-up with the standard bayonet access arrangement. It handles well enough as standard, especially once you get a bit of speed up.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mankster on June 18, 2009, 08:46:17 PM
Thats what I mean about the Lafayette, some of these subs seem to handle well enough without front planes. I wonder if they'll be a significant advantage on the Tireless (the way I have her set up anyway, built stock they may be different), to make it worthwhile.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Subculture on June 19, 2009, 10:29:26 AM
I guess the main advantage is when close to the surface,the front planes will enable very fine depth control and will also enable you to slip beneath the surface without risk of aeration of the propeller,which should be lower anyway with a shrouded prop.

AFAIK, 1:1 operations with these boats the stern vanes are the sole means of depth and pitch control once submerged anyway.
Title: Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
Post by: Mike_K on June 21, 2010, 06:50:55 PM
I know that this is an old thread but I just have to comment on the YouTube video.  Really fantastic u/w footage and the music was just right.  Really loved the chase-cam footage.

Mike