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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: JohnneyBoy on January 12, 2009, 02:07:34 pm
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Hello,
Well, just got Windows 7 64bit beta running today... very impressed. Seems quiker than Vista, a few other changes than Vista.
Also decided to use IE8, well just play with it.. seems reasonable, However I will see continue with Firefox, which I have also loaded, and is working fine so far.
Anyone else tried these guys out yet?
John
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i use 64bit windows xp at work. We had a mountain of problems getting 64bit compatible drivers for our printers. We couldnt print for months. In the end i think our IT department actually made the driver themselves. But dont quote me on that. Have you had issues similar to this?
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Windows 7 <*< >>:-( <*<
I've only just got this Vista system and only just started to find my way round that
R,
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Hello,
Printer: No problems, it is a network printer, i.e. connected to another machine, but it works fine, HP 1220C so quite old, no drivers from HP.. jus the Windows inbuilt ones.
To be honest Windows 7 feels much the same as Vista, a few changes to the look and feel. Speed is about the same as my Vista machine, but my Vista machine as a Beta of SP2 on it, and this made quite a difference to Vista's speed!
John
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I thought Vista was going to be used for all future updates ? , Also what is the point of installing the Windows 7 with it expiring in August 2009 and then you have to reload your original package.? or am I missing something.
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Vista has not proved a marketing success and will be replaced sometime soon with Windows 7 which is only in Beta release at the moment. If you are already using Vista or XP it's not worth upgrading to Windows 7 beta unless you like playing with computers and sorting out any problems which can be associated with a beta realease such as a lack of device drivers.
Colin
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Well I hope that they give a good discount to anybody that bought Vista. >>:-( but unlikely .
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I thought Vista was going to be used for all future updates ? , Also what is the point of installing the Windows 7 with it expiring in August 2009 and then you have to reload your original package.? or am I missing something.
I'm carrying various testing on a spare machine I have. I happen to be a software developer.. well and a bit more ok2 But I'm not allowed to say.. or else I would have to <*<
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You'd have to <*<? OH, I see, you'd have to <*< your Vista PC. I've thought that too..... ok2
7 is on the spare machine upstairs and seems to be running fine, according to pc-guru-engineer son. I'll abandon XP only when I'm forced to by software and hardware requirements.
Andy
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You'd have to <*<? OH, I see, you'd have to <*< your Vista PC. I've thought that too..... ok2
7 is on the spare machine upstairs and seems to be running fine, according to pc-guru-engineer son. I'll abandon XP only when I'm forced to by software and hardware requirements.
Andy
So you should be able to stay on XP into the next millennium, going on Microsoft's continuing extension of release of XP licenses, and thus support..
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How did the final testing of this work out , are you or anyone thinking of upgrading to Windows 7.
I see MS will be withdrawing support for XP in 2014, and I was thinking that an upgrade to 7 to go in line with the office 2007 upgrade I'm doing would compliment each other.. or not.. any thoughts
And what are the real benifits of Windows 7 against XP ?
Larry
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i HAVE WINDOWS 7 RUNNING ON A 1.7GHZ PENT 4 AND IT WORKS!!!!
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And what are the real benefits of Windows 7 against XP ?
Microsoft have tried for about 4 years to drop XP but too many major corporates wouldn't by into Vista.
Additionally Vista was plagued with more than the usual teething problems and was seen by many IT depts. as a step backwards.
Most new machines are now coming with free Windows 7 upgrade voucher, might be worth check if yours does.
Vista will be dropped MS as fast it can possibly can.
A few tech heads at work are running and seem very pleased with it.
Interesting discussion here:
http://news.zdnet.com/2422-13568_22-345909.html
http://news.zdnet.com/2422-13568_22-347511.html
Microsoft's upgrade advisor:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
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I've tried the release candidate and quite like it. As I am about to replace my desktop. I'm waiting for October 22nd - don't wish to get involved with Vista thankyou %%
Barrie
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I still cant get half my old xp stuff to work with vista <*<
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Very nearly went for Vista but then the .. hit the fan , Dell seemed to drop it for a bit which to me was the decider not to get it, I run Vista at work and admittedly have no problems , we had initial problems with the printer but other than that. I'm seriously looking at W7 but don't think I will get it from day 1.
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Microsoft goes on a cyclical move on then fix.
3.0 was a move on and 3.11 fixed it
NT was a move on and XP fixed it
Vista was a move on and 7 should fix it.
My conclusion is that you buy every second Microsoft OS
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My conclusion is that you buy every second Microsoft OS
Good Idea! I tended to wait until I absolutely had to upgrade O/S. I was on DOS when others were on W3.1 - 3.1 when others were on 95 - 98SE well after XP had appeared and I never needed to go anywhere near Vista. Have tried the Beta W7 on PC guru son's system and it seems to be better than Vista ever was.
Agree with Martin, reckon Vista will disappear as soon as W7 is out - unlike XP, which has, despite its foibles, been a great O/S, IMHO.
But, I'll still be sticking with XP until I have to move on, and then I'd probably marry it with a new system that can exploit it.
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Ok MS W7 is out on the 22/10 I have just read that there is a Windows 8 being developed or something !! <*<
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I am just having a PC built which will come with Vista, but it comes with an upgrade voucher to Windows 7. I have used Vista and do not think it is too bad, but I am reliably informed that windows 7 will be the dogs.
Brian
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"dogs.".... dinner?
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Vista has been the most stable Windows I've ever used (95 onwards)
IE8 is dreadful, tried it twice and gone back to IE7. much better
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For those contemplating moving to Win7, make sure before you do install it over Vista (or from scratch), that all the drivers are available for your hardware bits and bobs.
So if you have an HP/Compaq, Dell, or something like that, make sure you can download all the stuff from HP or Dell or whoever first. And don't forget your printer drivers either!
I have had Win7 on a Lenovo laptop since it became available through out VLA and I like it lots, but not all the Vista drivers work for some of the hardware. Now, for example, I have to trust Windows to manage the network connections when I change locations rather than use the Lenovo Access Connections tool... Yuck!
Just an FYI and YMMV too, no doubt.
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Never ever under any circumstance do an upgrade from vista to 7, i guarantee you will be wasting your time and your PC will take a major performance hit. Its a well documented fact that upgrades leave way too much legacy code behind which slows down your PC. Clean install all the way. If it works in Vista it will work in 7, if it doesnt work just disable digital driver signing and then it will work.
Gavin
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Clean install all the way.
Gavin's right - a clean install is always worth it.
(Just back your files up before you do it!)
Andy
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Clean Install every Time.. Only problem is is the backing up, however if & when I get W7 i will be installing a second drive , 1 smaller one to run the os and then all files on the larger second one. As i assume like .Vista you can redirect where My documents etc save to.
Just out of interest I downloaded a log report from a website
out of 186 users
108 were XP
66 Vista
3 Windows 7
1 Win Nt
1 Win 2003
1 Win 2000
4 Macosx
2 Linux
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Never ever under any circumstance do an upgrade from vista to 7, i guarantee you will be wasting your time and your PC will take a major performance hit. Its a well documented fact that upgrades leave way too much legacy code behind which slows down your PC. Clean install all the way. If it works in Vista it will work in 7, if it doesnt work just disable digital driver signing and then it will work.
Gavin
Doesn't everyone use Ubuntu nowadays? What is this 'clean install' you speak of? Surely a decent operating system doesn't need a reformat and a rebuild once every two years...
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For those in the UK, PC Pro Magazine December edition out today has a review of Windows 7 to which it gives an emphatic thumbs up.
Colin
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Doesn't everyone use Ubuntu nowadays? What is this 'clean install' you speak of? Surely a decent operating system doesn't need a reformat and a rebuild once every two years...
Looking at the statistics I would say no regards Ubuntu.
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Looking at the statistics I would say no regards Ubuntu.
Wait until Micro$oft start licensing the O/S per year - we will see a sudden change to Linux then....
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Not a pc buff , but i have had to take mine to the dr (poorly <:() . Anyways rung him up mon night to see how the job was going and he has offered me windows 7 as an upgrade , licenced for 9 months , all it will cost me is the instalation and a few bit's and bobs .
At the moment i am working of the laptop on vista and since i have been i have had no problems with printers etc and it's fine to me .
daz
Just to add there has just been a report on the system on the BBC this morn and they think it's going to be ok, we will have to see.
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Hi all.
can't wait to try new windows
i've been a computer geek over 10 years,
usually repair or build for friends,don't like vista nothing but trouble,
i hear new windows 7 is awsome,a mix of xp and vista.gonna download and try on spare pc.
will post results later.
jabba.
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You'll love it Jabba. I'm being bombarded by people at work (I do IT) for it, in exchange for their (generally hated) Vistas.
Andy
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I quite like Vista, though it uses far too much memory, I play games on this laptop, which has 4Gb ram, two 160 gig hard drives, two dual core processors and a prototype Ati graphics card, yet Vista manages to suck up as much of it as it likes causing some nasty lag at times, the OS itself is taking up a few gig, and right now just on idling Vista's system processes are using up about 80mb of ram. I here Windows 7 is much alike. How they're managing to waste so much memory is beyond me, Xp only ever used about 10mb max on idle. How is 7's resource consumption?
I would go Linux, but hardly any of the programs I want support it {:-{
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I would go Linux, but hardly any of the programs I want support it {:-{
Games are interesting on Linux. Quite a few companies have ported their games to it, but they then keep quiet about it! Mainly because most Linux games are open source, and their distributors do not want a free competitor. Of course Microsoft won't do anything. See http://whdb.com/2008/top-25-linux-games-for-2008/
For running standard windows software under Linux there is WINE - I don't use it but I understand it's got quite good now...
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boo hoo cant have it <:( it apears my pc is too old too slow and wont handle the system without an upgrade .
So i will have to wait until i get a new set-up .
daz
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I here Windows 7 is much alike. How they're managing to waste so much memory is beyond me, Xp only ever used about 10mb max on idle. How is 7's resource consumption?
The way Vista and Windows 7 handle memory allocation is fundamentally different to previous Windows operating systems. They're doing the exact opposite of wasting it, they're intelligently pre-filling it with applications the system has learned you're likely to use so they load quicker when you do want them. They treat system memory like cache rather than storage, which from a developers perspective makes far more sense than leaving huge chunks of super-fast RAM empty.
Of course, should you need that RAM for other things the operating system will release it, emptying the appropriate amount of cached data.
Working for a software development company has meant we've been using Win7 since it was made available to the Microsoft Developer Network and I have to say I like it. The new task bar is a step backward in my opinion but there's no denying it's MUCH quicker than Vista.
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I like the idea of Windows 7 but the upgrade process from Vista on an existing machine sounds a bit of an effort and a trifle risky (even worse if you already have XP!). I may change my PC over the next six months and get a clean install that way.
Colin
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Regarding upgrades , I'm intriged by the fact that to me an upgrade is loading the new package over the old, However when you read the blurb on the Ms upgrade packs it says a clean install would be better ? So to do this do you then actually have to , as in my case reload Xp first and then load W 7 ?
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Just found this very useful article on the BBC website. Well worth a read.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8317005.stm
Colin
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So to do this do you then actually have to , as in my case reload Xp first and then load W 7 ?
Howdy.
XP users are in a slightly different situation as there's no upgrade path from XP directly to Windows 7 so you're not in a position to be able to buy an upgrade license, unless you also happen to have a copy of Windows Vista...
The installs are actually the same, i.e. the files on the DVD are identical, the license key dictates which variant you'll be installing and also whether you're doing an upgrade or a clean install. Just to muddy the waters a little, you can't upgrade any old Vista variant to any old Windows 7 variant either. The upgrade paths are fixed, you can't upgrade Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 professional for example.
Edit: I should add that the actual installer won't stop you from doing an unsupported upgrade, but your key won't activate.
Microsoft, it seems, have learned the lession of Vista whereby people were buying upgrade licenses at half the price and doing clean installs anyway.
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As a hardware engineer, my advice would be to buy a new hard drive if you are thinking of upgrading, especially if it's your only
PC / laptop. I like to replace my Hard Drive at least once every two years or so as after that, you are really on 'borrowed
time'.
By buying a new Hard Drive I can then do a "clean" install on the new drive and preserve EVERYTHING on the old hard drive and
have a backup too. The old hard drive can be fitted as a 'secondary' in a tower or desktop case or as an external for both desktop
or laptop. A clean install should also run faster than an up grade as upgrades try to import as many files and settings from Vista as
possible which may slow down your system.
Opinion provided - That will be Tuppence please!
PS. 7 seems slow starting up I'm told, must be in-line with theberengersniper notes.
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I've decided to solve the problem by buying a new PC, but if I was upgrading from Vista I would certainly want to do a clean install.
I ran the release candidate for a while and certainly didn't notice it being slow to start. Compared with my rather long in the tooth XP installation, its very quick. But there again the XP was due for a 'spring clean' {-)
Barrie
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I'm Reading a lot of conflicting reports at the moment this being 1.
Windows Vista can be upgraded to Windows 7 with an in-place upgrade if the processor architecture, comparable edition, and language version are the same. Windows XP can only be upgraded to Windows 7 via a clean install. However, in some countries, Microsoft has recommended a clean install regardless of whether going from 2000, XP, or Vista, with reasoning which has not been made clear.
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Looks to me that No , you can not do a direct upgade from XP , however you can do a custom install instead , basicly wipes everything.
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The Third Law of 50D says:
Why pay money I don't have to a company I don't like for software I don't need - just because it's NEW? If you want a headache then go and head-butt a wall - it's cheaper.
We run XP - with a little help now and again from ACTionWeb Huw - and I have no intention of upgrading until Microslop stop supporting XP..............or Huw tells me to!
FLJ
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2014 :-)) apparently .. Only thinking about upgrading as I can get W7 Ultimate it for £60.00
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Dear me FLJ! With that attitude you'd still be promoting microswitches.... :o :o :o
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Ok Techies,
I have a 11month old Dell Inspiron 1525 with Dual Core2 running Vista- should I think about buying a new hard-drive and upgrading to W7 now, or in a years time?
I use quite a lot of memory with pics and add-ons- however Vista just seems to have had glitches in from day 1- freezing, re-setting internet pages at will, not blocking pop-ups, and is getting slower to boot up- however it seems to get slower after every MS update- surely the wrong way round there?
Wish I could have ordered with XP!!!!
Greg
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Dear me FLJ! With that attitude you'd still be promoting microswitches.... :o :o :o
We sell 'em if you want 'em, Admiral!
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I have to say I have not experienced any particular problems with Vista since I have had it. Mine was a clean install and I have heard that most problems have been experienced when upgrading from XP or from drivers for older peripherals such as printers not being available.
Windows 7 seems to have advantages over Vista in having a lower memory footprint and considerably improved user interface.
Don't worry FLJ, I'll probably go for a mixer in my next model. very happy with the speed controller you sold me last time round.
Colin
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2014 :-)) apparently .. Only thinking about upgrading as I can get W7 Ultimate it for £60.00
:o - where?
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That sounds a dodgy buy to me. %) %) %) %) I have just ordered my update to 7, and it is free as I have only recently bought my PC. I will be very happy to get rid of Vista.
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No it is completely legitimate, However you must have someone in education. I have checked out the company with the school , microsoft where there is a link and they are legit.(as far as I can Tell)
Bought a complete office 2007 for £ 35.00. Genuine disk.
http://www.software4students.co.uk/
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I certainly, legitimately benefited from this scheme when I was an OU student.
Roger in France
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here's a thaught, what would things be like for those still using Windows 3.11?
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here's a thaught, what would things be like for those still using Windows 3.11?
Well Ghost, I reckon the biggest risk is of the spring breaking when you wind up the computer.
You aren't admitting something here are you......? ;)
Colin
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I'm Reading a lot of conflicting reports at the moment this being 1.
Windows Vista can be upgraded to Windows 7 with an in-place upgrade if the processor architecture, comparable edition, and language version are the same. Windows XP can only be upgraded to Windows 7 via a clean install. However, in some countries, Microsoft has recommended a clean install regardless of whether going from 2000, XP, or Vista, with reasoning which has not been made clear.
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Sorry, there is an upgrade path from XP to 7, but it's long winded. You must upgrade XP to Vista (and then to Vista SP1 if your version of Vista isn't slipstreamed with SP1 pr SP2), then you can upgrade Vista to 7.
The reason for this is architectural. Things like the location of user profiles changed between XP and Vista, but not between Vista and 7. I've done about 20 of these so far since February on various Betas, Release Candidates and the actual release. Works fine as long as the hardware is supported by 7.
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I am no anorak, IT talk bores me and confuses me. I am just a simple old user.
Please tell me, I have XP on a 2 year old Dell, I am happy. Do I need to do anyting? Should I do anything?
Roger in France
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No Roger.
Maybe you could buy an anorak though.... And then you could upgrade to a Barbour. %)
Colin
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Ha, ha very funny as I have just become soaked in the rain walking the dog! Mind you this is the first rain since 18 Sept.
Still there is little a good glass of red will not put right ! Unless you tip it over the keyboard.
Roger in France
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I am no anorak, IT talk bores me and confuses me. I am just a simple old user.
Please tell me, I have XP on a 2 year old Dell, I am happy. Do I need to do anyting? Should I do anything?
Roger in France
I agree with Colin. Do nothing, stay happy.
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OK
I Received the windows 7 disc a few days after the official launch, from the software4students site and after a few minor hiccups or as are IT dept put it "User Error" I have , I HOPE successfully installed this on the new drive, along with Windows 2007. Everything I had attached seems to have been intergrated into the software , Email Package found all my settings etc, even connected it's self to the Internet which I had problems doing on XP
Only gripe is that there is no Email package supplied (something to do with a problem with anti this / that or something) However this can easily be downloaded from MS , or you can install another, in my case it came with the 2007 package so no problems and it has IE8 as inbuilt which is naf.
One thing I think that should have been explained a bit clearer is that Yes you can upgrade from XP BUT it has to be done from a clean Install Loading XP on first and then running W7 as a new (custom)install and not the upgrade which is just for Vista users.
So at the moment I am happy with the results , brings the pc up to date a bit .
Larry
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OK
I Received the windows 7 disc a few days after the official launch, from the software4students site and after a few minor hiccups or as are IT dept put it "User Error" I have , I HOPE successfully installed this on the new drive, along with Windows 2007. Everything I had attached seems to have been intergrated into the software , Email Package found all my settings etc, even connected it's self to the Internet which I had problems doing on XP
Only gripe is that there is no Email package supplied (something to do with a problem with anti this / that or something) However this can easily be downloaded from MS , or you can install another, in my case it came with the 2007 package so no problems and it has IE8 as inbuilt which is naf.
One thing I think that should have been explained a bit clearer is that Yes you can upgrade from XP BUT it has to be done from a clean Install Loading XP on first and then running W7 as a new (custom)install and not the upgrade which is just for Vista users.
So at the moment I am happy with the results , brings the pc up to date a bit .
Larry
As per your bold bit, that's not necessary.
You can upgrade XP to Vista and then update Vista to 7. It works. Honest.
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Not if you don't have Vista ,
I am Dealing with this upgrade purely from an XP point of view, ..Why would I want Vista !! near my machine.....I have to use it at work and that is all I will say about Vista... :D
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laptop came with vista and was so awfull I cleared it and installed XPPro.
now none of the issues which occured with vista, periferals work, and to bo honest I'd now rather stick with what I know will work than change to another unknown system.
if it ain't broken, just oil it and carry on !
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Well, my current PC came with Vista a couple of years back and apart from not being able to get a driver for an ancient printer everything works OK.
Colin
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My 5 year old desk top PC has XP with SP2, while our laptop is running Vista, SP2. I much prefer XP, the main reason being the lack of backward compatibility for many older, but still useful, programs under Vista.
Vista has generally been poorly accepted by business, and the current thinking is that many businesses will wait for SP1 before taking up Windows 7, given Microsoft's poor track record with many of their other operating systems.
Peter.