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Title: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 03:05:56 pm
Way way back, either Model Boats or Marine Modelling did a free plan of a pusher tug...basically a box with a tall(ish)superstructure on top. I can remember it 'cos I built a double sized one...can any of you guys tell me which issue of which mag it appeared in please?

Even better...has anybody got a copy of the magazine or even the plan I could beg/buy/borrow/steal? All your expenses refunded naturally...

Rich

(it was similar to the drawing below...)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 04:22:43 pm
How about doing a springer?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 04:27:06 pm
Nah, don't really fancy a springering thing Andy..

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 01, 2009, 04:30:49 pm
Should we ban U33 from the forum Andy?  <*<
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: boatmadman on February 01, 2009, 04:35:15 pm
Think someone should arm a springer with depth charges and go U33 hunting <*<
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: funtimefrankie on February 01, 2009, 04:43:02 pm
Oh...I thought the Mayhem Caps were ready to order :((
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: The long Build on February 01, 2009, 04:53:45 pm
On the list I have from Model Boats
there are 3 listings for a pusher tug

Dec 85
May 88
Feb 2004

Hope this narrows things down a bit
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 01, 2009, 05:05:43 pm
Well done long build, that's the one I was looking for Model Boats Dec 1985.
 Motorflote - Pusher Tug (FULL SIZE PLAN)

(http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_12_85_Front_Cover.jpg)

http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_December_1985.html (http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_December_1985.html)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 05:09:08 pm
I think we should kick Martin off for that too...


Anyone got a springy hull lying sround? I want to build Nitrospring :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2009, 05:25:57 pm
Sounds like a Norry job for fuel-proofness and deep vibes :D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 05:28:51 pm
Sounds like a Norry job for fuel-proofness and deep vibes :D

That sounds like the emptiness of my wallet...

How much?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 06:00:53 pm
Well done long build, that's the one I was looking for Model Boats Dec 1985.
 Motorflote - Pusher Tug (FULL SIZE PLAN)

(http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_12_85_Front_Cover.jpg)

http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_December_1985.html (http://www.payhost.net/modelling/acatalog/Model_Boats_December_1985.html)

That's the boyo...well done men, top stuff. Now...has anyone got the plan from that issue???

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: The long Build on February 01, 2009, 06:19:16 pm
Could probably sort out a copy of the article , but according to my records I do not have the plan.   {:-{  So not really much use. <:( 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 06:24:12 pm

Could probably sort out a copy of the article , but according to my records I do not have the plan.   {:-{  So not really much use. <:( 

That would be a start...yes please, if you could I'd appreciate it muchly.

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 01, 2009, 06:41:34 pm
Why not buy it from the link Martin posted? Its £4
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: The long Build on February 01, 2009, 06:41:46 pm

Could probably sort out a copy of the article , but according to my records I do not have the plan.   {:-{  So not really much use. <:( 

That would be a start...yes please, if you could I'd appreciate it muchly.

Rich

Ok, good news is I have found the magazine ,  the " WATERBORNE DIESEL SHUNTER" Free 16 page construction pull-out, here lies the bad news ..It has been pulled out!! and I do not have it.. Sorry

On the first page there is a reference to David Metcalf's Motorflote Diesel push tug" was the designer..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Seaspray on February 01, 2009, 06:43:47 pm
Does anybody know if there is a bye magazine company in Kent ?

I've about 2 years of Radio Race Car to loose


Seaspray
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 06:44:18 pm

Could probably sort out a copy of the article , but according to my records I do not have the plan.   {:-{  So not really much use. <:( 

That would be a start...yes please, if you could I'd appreciate it muchly.

Rich

Ok, good news is I have found the magazine ,  the " WATERBORNE DIESEL SHUNTER" Free 16 page construction pull-out, here lies the bad news ..It has been pulled out!! and I do not have it.. Sorry

Naff....!!!!

Thanks anyway..


Why not buy it from the link Martin posted? Its £4

Precisely...it's £4!!!!


Rich


(squeak squeak...)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 07:20:15 pm
Hang the expense...I bought it.  %)

Thanks guys..

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: djrobbo on February 01, 2009, 09:29:15 pm
Plan for said square odd looking thingy for sale on e'bay....quote..."motorflote pusher tug "

            hope that helps.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 01, 2009, 11:13:40 pm
Thanks DJ...already got it, but thank you for your help.   :-))

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: toesupwa on February 02, 2009, 01:55:36 am

Anyone got a springy hull lying sround? I want to build Nitrospring :-))

One here...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wooden-Springer-tug-hull_W0QQitemZ160312914637QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140971QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 02, 2009, 05:00:06 pm
Thanks to you guys I have the plans and build sheets for the Motorflote en route, the stores at work donated me a sheet of 1/8th ply ( %)) and all the other bits and bobs I either have or have the materials needed to build them....

So...has anybody else ever built one of these weird things? Mine was great fun to operate, it had a mind of it's own as to where it went though, but it would push the side of house out if needs be. Just wondering if the Mk 11 will be alone...or are there any more around?

And no Martin...it's NOT a swing springer!!   ;D

Rich

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Peterm on February 02, 2009, 06:29:24 pm
I am halfway through building one and and although it is my own design, it is very similar to the one in the photo.   I am using a Graupner schottel drive as propulsion and 2.4 GHz for control.   Pete M
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 02, 2009, 08:20:52 pm
Great news Pete, any pics of it so far? Perhaps we could start a Motorflote v Springer war...

Rich


( Motorflotes of the world...unite! )
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on February 02, 2009, 11:31:09 pm
I bet our springers are badder and better than your Pusher pee wee tiddler of a tug !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)




Stav
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 03, 2009, 08:42:26 am
Time to fully arm Battlespringer then   :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: towboatjoe on February 03, 2009, 01:22:37 pm
Kinda puts me in mind of a log bronc or the Navy version docking tug
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Peterm on February 03, 2009, 01:25:16 pm
Joe, you sent me some photos and drawings which I used as the basis for my boat.   Pete M
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: toesupwa on February 03, 2009, 03:36:15 pm
I'm up for a battle...  :-))

That Motorflote looks like an interesting build / boat... U-33 please keep us updated on its build!

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 03, 2009, 04:47:55 pm
Well well well...it looks as though we could have a challenge here to Motorflote superiority?  <*< <*< <*<

Give me a chance to build it and then we'll see what can be arranged, there must be one of them there Springing things in my neck of the woods? Motorflote will take on all comers and will show success...we will stomp on you Springin things... <*< <*< anytime baby!!

Springers...huh! Exterminate....exterminate....exterminate!!!!!

Rich


Motorflote rules OK!!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 03, 2009, 05:57:36 pm
I meant to ask..how big is a Springer?

I plan on making Motorflote Mk2  12"x10" and around 8-10" high...is that about the size of a Springer?


Rich

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 03, 2009, 06:22:33 pm
A few photos to whet your appitite!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 03, 2009, 06:50:33 pm
Terrific Martin...thanks very much for the piccies. By George, it's a magnificent looking beast...Springers, beware!   %)

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: djrobbo on February 03, 2009, 06:52:29 pm
Hmmmm...looks like i need to upgrade the gun and put on some bigger depth charges...............wonder if i could fit torpedoes to my sprigate <*< <*< {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

             No doubt phil will have a secret weapon of some kind !!!

                Fancy thinking a motorised shoe box could get the better of a springer...... :P :P

                                     HA....i say  !!!!!!

 regards....bob
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 03, 2009, 07:28:41 pm
Springers...be afraid. Be very afraid...Motorflote Mk2 is comin' to get ya!!   <*<  <*<

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: portside II on February 04, 2009, 12:47:07 am
Rich , i think your plan with an angle where the prop shaft comes out looks better than the original . might even have a go myself , :(( err no maybe not there aer 18 boats allready in the shed and another one in the garage ,the wife may have something to say if i build another  >>:-(  <*< as there is an 8 foot tanker laid on the workshop floor  :embarrassed: .
daz
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: bogstandard on February 04, 2009, 04:42:20 am
Rich,

I built the boat from the plans a few years ago, but fitted it with a schottel drive. I also did the mod with the angles leading back to the prop area. I think it ended up at about 60 degrees, but can't be sure

It could turn in circles around it's own length, but it is the rather bluff bow that causes the problems. It is designed to be strapped at the back of something as a power unit rather than a highly maneuverable little curved hull pusher 'bug'. I would suggest, rather than having a totally bluff bow, angle the front of the hang down bit backwards by 45 degrees, that should help a lot in keeping the nose from dipping

I donated my unpainted model to a certain member, and he duly stripped it to make a springer out of the bits. If he did a good job of the stripping and hasn't used them for anything else, there should be a fully silver soldered set of skids just right to fit your model.

To put the cat amongst the pigeons, have a look through all the springers and see who has one with a schottel drive and a Motorflote cabin on top. He who put the major smiley challenge at the top of this page.


John
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 04, 2009, 06:11:21 pm
Thanks Daz and John, more interesting Motorflote information and folklore. My plan still hasn't arrived, so I've started drawing my own...after all, it's only a box, so I'm gonna do my own thing with angled bits everywhere.

I'm contemplating fitting mine with twin Kort nozzles, one at the bows and one at the stern...could make for some interesting stick twiddling?

(John...hope that cat is tame????? We can soon alter that... %) )

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 04, 2009, 07:06:38 pm
I built a motofloat a few years ago, I entered it in a steering regatta, the club in question had a docking procedure at the end of the course on this occasion, I think I had a clear round until this but the rules said that it was the lenght of the model plus a fixed length (can't remember what that was). This is were I slipped up, as the model was nearly square the diagonal was greater than the dock length allowed so I could not get in, I did inform the scorer that when the motofloat came alongside it came in straight and was lifted out of the water by crane and left on the dockside, but this was not allowed. Still I had a lot of fun with the model be fore I sold it. So much fun in fact that I have started to build another which is going to have a schottel drive unit.
Alan
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: tugboyben on February 04, 2009, 07:34:58 pm
hi u-33

motorflote pusher tug plan & building details on ebay item number (370152144665) :-))

regards jason
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 04, 2009, 07:53:56 pm
I built a motofloat a few years ago, I entered it in a steering regatta, the club in question had a docking procedure at the end of the course on this occasion, I think I had a clear round until this but the rules said that it was the lenght of the model plus a fixed length (can't remember what that was). This is were I slipped up, as the model was nearly square the diagonal was greater than the dock length allowed so I could not get in, I did inform the scorer that when the motofloat came alongside it came in straight and was lifted out of the water by crane and left on the dockside, but this was not allowed. Still I had a lot of fun with the model be fore I sold it. So much fun in fact that I have started to build another which is going to have a schottel drive unit.
Alan

I remember doing a similar thing with the Mk 1 I built at double size, couldnt get the thing into docking boxes for love nor money. But as you say Alan, great fun trying! I'm glad to hear you're building another one...I'll be registering you my wingman in the Motorflote squadron, we must unite against these pesky Springers!

hi u-33

motorflote pusher tug plan & building details on ebay item number (370152144665) :-))

regards jason

Thanks Jason...I've bought the back issue plus plans from Model Boats, but thank you anyway for the kind thought.

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: towboatjoe on February 04, 2009, 10:18:27 pm
How about a bow boat.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: towboatjoe on February 04, 2009, 10:27:48 pm
Here's some drawings of a bow boat
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: norry on February 04, 2009, 10:53:22 pm
    ...Hi Guys...

If the First Springer doesn,t Kill this thing then we will just send in another one, then another one, then another one,then another one, then ano...Get The Idea...Theres More Of Us Than You...

U33 better get his mates building a few brothers for his wee Motor Flop Thingy...

Just Wait Till The Good Weather Comes & I get The Springer Mould In Action....

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: kiwi on February 04, 2009, 11:58:37 pm
Rich,
how about one of these
kiwi
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Peter Fitness on February 05, 2009, 03:54:32 am
how about one of these

Or one of these?

Peter.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 05, 2009, 04:40:11 pm
Another thing I didn't mention in my earlier reply was that a friend of mine went down to the southcoast, I beleive Chichester area and found one of the original Motofloats, he had gone to count the rivets so that he could have a dig at me for not building a scale model. He came home  having had a wasted trip, very upset he told me that the whole thing is welded, not a rivet in site {-) {-) {-) Alan
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 05, 2009, 04:53:38 pm
Some wonderful looking beasties in those pics chaps, many thanks indeed to all of you for posting those up..love the well weathered look.

Another thing I didn't mention in my earlier reply was that a friend of mine went down to the southcoast, I beleive Chichester area and found one of the original Motofloats, he had gone to count the rivets so that he could have a dig at me for not building a scale model. He came home  having had a wasted trip, very upset he told me that the whole thing is welded, not a rivet in site {-) {-) {-) Alan

Alan...could that have been Poole Harbour? I remember seeing one down there many years back, and I believe that the original plan was based on one from Poole. I like welded, welded is good...saves a lot of trouble adding rivets!!

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on February 05, 2009, 05:52:46 pm
Well well well...it looks as though we could have a challenge here to Motorflote superiority?  <*< <*< <*<

Give me a chance to build it and then we'll see what can be arranged, there must be one of them there Springing things in my neck of the woods? Motorflote will take on all comers and will show success...we will stomp on you Springin things... <*< <*< anytime baby!!

Springers...huh! Exterminate....exterminate....exterminate!!!!!

Rich


Motorflote rules OK!!


Careful, them two TBW springers have a PHD rating...
Rumor has it that the drives are sonic driven... O0
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 05, 2009, 06:15:02 pm
Ah, but Motorflote Mk2 will be capable of warp speed...   :o

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: chingdevil on February 05, 2009, 06:48:37 pm
Rich

Are you coming to Wickstead? If so you can have a go with your Motorflote thingy against my springer, be afraid, be very afraid <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<


Brian
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 05, 2009, 07:22:36 pm
Blimey, hang on...I haven't even started building the thing yet! Where's Wickstead...Essex way somewhere?

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: djrobbo on February 05, 2009, 07:34:05 pm
Well now...my little fubar springer the rescue tug   ...rescued a powerboat that had his prop tangled up in the line holding one of our steering course bouys.....

   wee fubar picked up the boat and the bouy and dragged the anchor ( flowerpot filled with concrete) as well and returned the whole lot to shore.....and didn't have a chance to get full power............

                     BE AFRAID....BE VERY AFRAID  <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<

                        Oh and by the way i live near to a road called essex way and its a naffin great hill and there is definately no lake on.......mind you a lake with a slope would be good for skiing {-) {-)

               
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: dougal99 on February 05, 2009, 08:12:25 pm
Careful, them two TBW springers have a PHD rating...
Rumor has it that the drives are sonic driven... O0

That would be a very small, very fast Hedgehog then. I'd better warn the RSPCA (animal welfare charity for non UK readers)  ok2 ok2 ok2
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: chingdevil on February 05, 2009, 09:05:33 pm
Rich

Here you go, just so you know where to find it in May Wicksteed Park Family Theme Park, Kettering, Northamptonshire :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Better build fast, Mayhem is there on the weekend of the 23rd & 24th May, bring a tent and some beer. ;) ;) ;) ;)


Brian



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 05, 2009, 09:11:54 pm
Cheers for that, me dear...was that you who won the plans for Motorflote on ebay?  <*< <*<

Rich

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 05, 2009, 09:52:33 pm
Hi Rich
I will have to check with my mate to find out where the Motofloat was, and ask him if he took any photographs.
Alan
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: chingdevil on February 05, 2009, 10:38:41 pm
Might be Rich ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Brian
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: steamboatmodel on February 06, 2009, 12:22:31 am
If you build the " Model Boats Dec 1985. Motorflote - Pusher Tug" You need to heavily modify the hull to get any reverse. As drawn the boat will not go in reverse, I had to trim the corners of the bottom section to get some reverse. It is a very interesting and fun model to run, ether by itself ( it wanders all over with no directional stability) or tied to a tow (it is suddenly like running a large model). When I build another one I will use the hull design from the Springer.
Regards,
Gerald.
PS Until you modify the hull, too enable some reverse do not run into any marker buoys, you can't get away from them.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: toesupwa on February 06, 2009, 12:38:38 am

PS Until you modify the hull, too enable some reverse do not run into any marker buoys, you can't get away from them.

Unless you ask (nicely) a Springer to rescue you...   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 07, 2009, 02:22:33 pm
I have checked with my friend and he confirms that the Motofloat was at Poole, unfortunately he did not have a camera with him.
Alan
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 07, 2009, 02:42:03 pm
If you build the " Model Boats Dec 1985. Motorflote - Pusher Tug" You need to heavily modify the hull to get any reverse. As drawn the boat will not go in reverse, I had to trim the corners of the bottom section to get some reverse. It is a very interesting and fun model to run, ether by itself ( it wanders all over with no directional stability) or tied to a tow (it is suddenly like running a large model). When I build another one I will use the hull design from the Springer.
Regards,
Gerald.
PS Until you modify the hull, too enable some reverse do not run into any marker buoys, you can't get away from them.

I found that with my Mk1 version, although being double sized it would eventually go where I wanted it to go. Not exactly a regatta boat though...


PS Until you modify the hull, too enable some reverse do not run into any marker buoys, you can't get away from them.

Unless you ask (nicely) a Springer to rescue you...   ;D

Cough...splutter...I'd never live it down! Good grief man, what on earth are you saying...rescued by a swing springer??? Cough...splutter...

I have checked with my friend and he confirms that the Motofloat was at Poole, unfortunately he did not have a camera with him.
Alan

Thanks Alan, I did think that's where the things were based. Must be some more about somewhere though?

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 07, 2009, 03:03:14 pm
Cough...splutter...I'd never live it down! Good grief man, what on earth are you saying...rescued by a swing springer??? Cough...splutter...

Well theres always my Perkasa to rescue you, thats what we use down our club when we can't be bothered to get the boat out. Only problem it's a bit broken at the moment %) and if I tryed to push that poxy little thing with it it would just roll like a small child on crack on top a hill ....... ;)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: das boot on February 07, 2009, 03:39:33 pm
Cough...splutter...I'd never live it down! Good grief man, what on earth are you saying...rescued by a swing springer??? Cough...splutter...

Well theres always my Perkasa to rescue you, thats what we use down our club when we can't be bothered to get the boat out. Only problem it's a bit broken at the moment %) and if I tryed to push that poxy little thing with it it would just roll like a small child on crack on top a hill ....... ;)

err...excuse me, young sir...but when the day comes when your latest missile breaks down in the middle of the lake and everybody else has gone home, who you gonna call for rescue? Motorflotebusters!!!


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andyn on February 07, 2009, 05:38:00 pm
Nah I either wait for it to blow into range of the fishing rod, wait for it to blow into the side or call home for the kayak to be delivered O0
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: steamboatmodel on February 09, 2009, 06:26:39 pm
As there were no Springer's back then, I had to wait for the Motorflote to drift away from the marker. Any attempt to push it of the marker just spun it around the marker. I didn't win anything in the precision steering, but won 1st in towing, my towing partner admitted his boat was just along for the ride and he was just trying not to tangle me up. They promptly changed the rules for the next year and banned tugs being tied tight to the tows stern. I may have to dust it off and reinstal the working gear.
Regards,
Gerald
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 22, 2009, 07:34:22 pm
I went to the Midhurst show today and there was a nice model of a Motofloat on display built to one and a half times the size of the original plans, unfortunately I did not have a camera with me.
Alan
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 22, 2009, 09:17:17 pm
Can't you be birched for not taking a camera to a model boat show?!?!  <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: alan colson on February 22, 2009, 09:49:02 pm
Don't do that Martin, what would STMBO say? {-) {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 20, 2015, 11:04:39 am
Gentlemen, I have a request...if any of you have built a Motorflote pusher tug, I'm after photos of it. I could do with photos of the full sized one as well...I believe it was based at Poole Harbour.

Either post them here, or preferably email them to me...


Thanks guys,


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on February 20, 2015, 07:58:49 pm
Hi rich.
 mag here with  plan
   http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/model-boats-magazine-december-1985-issue.html (http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/model-boats-magazine-december-1985-issue.html)
 
 frank
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 20, 2015, 08:03:17 pm
Got two of the magazines, Frank..plans, build articles, the lot. I'm after photos of boats that people have built from the plan.


Thanks anyways, mate...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 21, 2015, 02:19:05 pm
Nobody built a Motorflote?  <:(  C'mon guys...don't be shy, there must be a few of you out there in the depths of Mayhemland that built one,  surely?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 21, 2015, 03:08:36 pm
 
"Here's one I built earlier!"   :P

 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on February 21, 2015, 03:41:55 pm
Hi Martin.
 that buff coloured "Box Boat" looks like something I have sailed  back in the day.  {-)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 21, 2015, 03:43:01 pm
Martin...for once I am totally speechless.  {-)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on February 21, 2015, 03:48:29 pm
Nobody built a Motorflote?  <:(  C'mon guys...don't be shy, there must be a few of you out there in the depths of Mayhemland that built one,  surely?


Rich
Hi Rich.
     there were`nt digicams in 85 when that plan came out maybe they can`nt put any pix up or you have a one off.  I did google it but there is very little there.
 
 frank 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 21, 2015, 03:52:51 pm
I know Frank, I've Googled and Binged and Asked Jeeves and all sorts, I found a couple of photos of the full size boat and that was it. I'm hoping that if anyone has any photos of any sort, if they'd scan them for me...I regularly scan photos dating back to the late sixties of my boats, and they seem to come out ok. Fingers crossed...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: ray123 on February 21, 2015, 05:26:07 pm

"Here's one I built earlier!"   :P

 
im intrested in the canadian tug behind the box :-))  is it one of the sea imps?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 21, 2015, 07:03:26 pm

                    O0
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: ray123 on February 21, 2015, 09:12:31 pm
thanks martin  :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 09:18:47 am
Right, I know how a steering nozzle works, but on the Motorflote nozzle there is a small plate which runs the depth of the nozzle tube. I take it that it helps the nozzle work more effectively? It's obviously there for a reason, but what is the reason?


Also, I note that the plan suggests a 50mm diameter nozzle with a Monoperm motor...I haven't got one of those, so I'm thinking of using a 385 motor with a 35mm three blade brass prop in a 40mm diameter nozzle. Would that be a suitable replacement?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 22, 2015, 10:32:10 am
Just a little rudder Rich. It gives a little more direction to the thrust from the nozzle.
Try and get a kort prop to fit your tube closely
Kort props are shaped for efficiency and work much better than round ended blade props.


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 10:42:56 am
You can tell I know naff all about nozzles and such things, Ned...


How about if I bought one of these: http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/steerable-554-p.asp (http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/steerable-554-p.asp) and added a small rudder from styrene sheet, would that do the trick? I can get a prop from somewhere...are they the ones with the flattened off tips to the blades?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Brian60 on February 22, 2015, 11:20:35 am
As Ned says, its just a rudder attached to the kort nozzle. somebody obviously did their homework and decided that a greater steering ability could be had by combining them instead of just having moveable korts. This configuration is on the plans of a tug I have on file, so is not uncommon.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: norry on February 22, 2015, 11:24:06 am
The Blade down the back of a Kort nozzle improve the performance of the nozzle, Especially when going astern...
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on February 22, 2015, 11:43:41 am
hi Rich.
 google   http://www.rc-toy.de/1432+-+Robbe+Kortduese.htm (http://www.rc-toy.de/1432+-+Robbe+Kortduese.htm)    its what they have on the seaport tugs  now if you can blag one off somebody well...life easier   {-) {-)
 frank
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: barriew on February 22, 2015, 11:47:07 am
How about if I bought one of these: http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/steerable-554-p.asp (http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/steerable-554-p.asp) and added a small rudder from styrene sheet, would that do the trick? I can get a prop from somewhere...are they the ones with the flattened off tips to the blades?
Rich


Yes - that would be Ok if you can't find one with the blade. I have some of these, but not sure if they are 40 or 50 mm. You can have one cheap if its the correct size. I'll check later and let you know what the size is.
It is important to get the correct prop though. Try Propshop for Kort props.


Barrie
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 22, 2015, 12:10:08 pm
Kort's work perfectly well with normal round edged props. The square blade profiles look nicer and probably will add a bit of efficiency but I doubt it adds a huge amount in model form, besides which quite common to see full size vessels with korts and round bladed props.

I built a bustler tug when I was a kid. I really liked the garnock tug, but couldn't afford the kit on pocket money, so I got the Vic Smeed plan and scratchbuilt the hull from plywood frames and pine strips, and made a steerable kort nozzle like the Garnock. I just used a bit of brass tube, with a normal three blade prop inside.

I used to win all the steering regattas with that.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: BarryM on February 22, 2015, 01:04:49 pm
"quite common to see full size vessels with korts and round bladed props." Given the efficiency gains to be made with props having blade tips matching the radius of the nozzle, I am curious to know where you have seen conventional round-tipped props fitted to a nozzle?
Regards,
Barry M
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 01:14:19 pm
Thanks ever so much for all the advice, gents...as usual, much appreciated. I've just had a go at knocking one up, and surprisingly my fingers were cooperating...it looks reasonable to me.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 22, 2015, 01:34:21 pm
(http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/kort_nozzle_algosoo_part_submerged_launch.jpg)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 22, 2015, 01:35:40 pm
Nozzle looks fine.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: tugmad on February 22, 2015, 02:16:47 pm
Hi BarryM   it is very common to have rounded tip props with Nozzles for instance the Avenger,Hibernia, Ionia, Sun XXV and Sun XXVI all had nozzles fitted with their original rounded tip type propellors retained.   Geo
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 02:19:35 pm
And the finished article....


Rich



(just noticed I have a small bit of filing to finish off...)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 22, 2015, 02:35:37 pm
A few of the Brixham Beamers have rounded props in Kort nozzles.
The Dickie tug has a Kort with rudder blade and round blade props.
To be honest I can't tell the difference in performance between my
Springer with a dedicated Kort prop and my dickie tug with rounded
blades.
Your effort looks just great Rich  :-)) :-))

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 02:37:28 pm
Well, thank you Ned...praise from the master.  %)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: radiojoe on February 22, 2015, 02:45:24 pm
Yep that looks fine to me Rich, I have an idea in mind to build a Springer and think I'll use something similar. :-))

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 03:30:29 pm
My springer has a nozzle fitted, but without the add on rudder blade...it damn near turns 360* in the bath, so the Motorflote should practically turn itself inside out.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: NFMike on February 22, 2015, 04:47:10 pm
(just noticed I have a small bit of filing to finish off...)

Strictly speaking you have a lot of filing as a Kort nozzle has an aerofoil cross-section   ok2
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 22, 2015, 04:56:14 pm
Very true Plague.   But
Does it really matter on a model
that is going to be used in water
and not sat on a pedestal for rivet counters?

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 22, 2015, 04:58:31 pm
Depends on the application. Boats designed to shuttle backwards and forwards (like tugs) will tend to have a tubular profile with rounded off ends.

Boats intended for mainly forward direction tend to have an aerofoil section e.g. Speed rice profile.

I made a speed rice profile for an Aquabat sub I've been tinkering with for an eon. Did it more for looks than performance.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/Aquabatfromasternjpg_zpsa2492eed.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/subculture84/media/Aquabatfromasternjpg_zpsa2492eed.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 05:20:25 pm
If I remember rightly, my previous Motorflote had a piece of tube for a nozzle, same as this one is having. It went backwards as well as it did  forwards, and sideways for good measure, there were no fancy tapered edges to the nozzle, just rounded off and that was it.


This one, being smaller than the other one, is quite likely to disappear up it's own nozzle...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Fastfaz on February 22, 2015, 06:16:12 pm
  Nice job Rich,
      I have a Kort nozzle on my Lowgarth but I did not fit the vertical piece onto the rear of the nozzle, it sails very well either forwards or backwards. Any comments on the benefit of having the added piece?  i.e. will she steer any better.
      Cheers,
           Peter. :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: BarryM on February 22, 2015, 06:36:10 pm
Hi BarryM   it is very common to have rounded tip props with Nozzles for instance the Avenger,Hibernia, Ionia, Sun XXV and Sun XXVI all had nozzles fitted with their original rounded tip type propellors retained.   Geo

I think that explains it. Where nozzles are retrofitted, it probably would be false economy to exchange the screws. When a vessel is designed from the start with a nozzle, it would have close-fitting blades.

Barry M
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: NFMike on February 22, 2015, 10:23:06 pm
Very true Plague.   But
Does it really matter on a model
that is going to be used in water
and not sat on a pedestal for rivet counters?

Ned

Well, on a model the 'efficiency' of a Kort is probably immaterial, so I was assuming it would be at least partly for show.

The thing is that a Kort nozzle is shaped to give higher efficiency in the forward direction. A plain tube as this, and some other modellers are using, is not a Kort nozzle; just a prop in a tube. This Wikipedia article is quite informative and not very long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducted_propeller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducted_propeller)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 22, 2015, 10:27:16 pm
It will be on show here and there, but I very much doubt that the average rivet counter will know what a Motorflote is, let alone know what shape the nozzle is.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: irishcarguy on February 23, 2015, 12:54:53 am
Actually the inner shape of the Kort nozzle is a venturi 'It works like this, as the propeller pushes water through it you get what is called a venturi effect & that reduces the diameter of the flow but speeds it up at the same time because of the aero dynamic shape of the Kort on the inside, increasing the speed of the flow through the nozzle. The better the prop fits in the nozzle the more water it can push through there by making it more efficient. This straightens out the flow as well as increasing the speed of the water passing through. This system is used on carburettors ( remember them ) to give exactly the same effect & also on race cars with their velocity stacks to gain the same advantage, it is a bit of a black art creating the inner aerofoil shape internally  & is in most cases a closely guarded secret. So nothing is new under the sun. Mick B.  P S -- I have  made  my own with some success, that too is a secret LOL.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on February 23, 2015, 08:55:21 am
It will be on show here and there, but I very much doubt that the average rivet counter will know what a Motorflote is, let alone know what shape the nozzle is.


Rich

Rich that is a VERY ARROGANT thing to say not at all in the spirit of mayhem


Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2015, 09:15:03 am
Excuse me? What did I say that's arrogant?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 23, 2015, 09:25:23 am
Rich that is a VERY ARROGANT thing to say not at all in the spirit of mayhem


Dave
Maybe, but very accurately put.  A lot of the viewers probably never trouble to look at the back end, never mind the underneath bits, even when counting the rivets.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2015, 01:02:56 pm
Any ideas as to what these would be, guys? They look like D shaped brackets with a pin through a hole in them...would they be for attaching lifting hooks to lift the boat out of the water?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: TailUK on February 23, 2015, 01:06:59 pm
Look like lifting lugs to me!  Might also be used to attach sponsons to the side of the hull too!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2015, 01:08:53 pm
Never thought of that one, TailUK...good thinking. Thanks for that, much appreciated.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andywright on February 23, 2015, 09:58:58 pm
If they were for lifting, they would have metal going downwards along the line of pull, so i would say they are for joining another tug or sponson to the sides.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2015, 10:01:54 pm
If they were for lifting, they would have metal going downwards along the line of pull, so i would say they are for joining another tug or sponson to the sides.


You mean like a vertical strengthening  bar or a plate?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: andywright on February 23, 2015, 10:07:03 pm

You mean like a vertical strengthening  bar or a plate?


Rich
Yes, you may also find this interesting.
http://www.thos-storey.co.uk/bridge_relocation.php


Regards Andy
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2015, 10:13:04 pm
Damn...no decent Motorflote pictures! I was all excited there for a minute   <:(


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on February 24, 2015, 12:01:55 pm
when i looked at these, first thought is that they are to lift the vessel out of the water for transporting to a new location - if this is a replica of an actual vessel - and its military so something they would do.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 24, 2015, 12:32:57 pm
when i looked at these, first thought is that they are to lift the vessel out of the water for transporting to a new location - if this is a replica of an actual vessel - and its military so something they would do.


I don't think the military ever employed Motorflotes (although I may be wrong) they were designed for and used at Poole Harbour for moving pontoons.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: TailUK on February 24, 2015, 12:47:16 pm
Not exactly the same as you were asking but similar.
http://www.tyneandwearmarine.com/services/modular-pontoon/
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: sailorboy61 on February 24, 2015, 04:12:30 pm
Its a motor unit and thats where its barges or whatever are attached. Doesnt look terribly strong, but then its not the biggest tug Ive ever seen.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 26, 2015, 01:16:22 pm
Just sort of wondering...is it feasible to extend a Springer hull with (say) 2mm styrene sheet to make it into a Motorflote? An 18" x 8" Motorflote would be a nice size, and still practical for me to lift and move about.


What do you reckon, guys...possible?

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on February 26, 2015, 02:35:28 pm
Hi Rich.
when they jumboised tankers they just cut them in half and attached the bow and stern sections to the new centre section, so why not a springer.
 
 frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 26, 2015, 03:09:56 pm
That'll do for me, Frank...what I'm thinking is to epoxy sytrene sheet across the bow and both sides, level with the hull bottom, to square the whole thing off. Then the same across the stern, leaving a tunnel for the steering nozzle. It's only a couple of sheets of styrene after all, no great expense.

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 26, 2015, 03:14:05 pm
18"X 8" is the official size of a Springer, so what size were you thinking of stretching it to?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 26, 2015, 03:17:24 pm
Not stretching it, no...I want to square the hull off. Imagine an upside down Springer hull...now stand styrene sheet all around it so it's level with the hull bottom...you then have a hull in a box, with a cut out for the steering nozzle. Yes...make sense?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: malcolmfrary on February 26, 2015, 03:20:11 pm
MMMM.....sort of.  I will await the pictures.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 26, 2015, 03:23:08 pm
I'm just wondering if I could convert a Springer hull into a Motorflote hull...or maybe it would be easier to completely scratch build a Motorflote.


I shall go and lay down in a darkened room now...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Brian60 on February 26, 2015, 08:46:59 pm
What's the hull made of? styrene or grp? If its styrene thats an easy job to do with the correct solvent such as plastic weld. If its grp you will have quite a problem sticking the styrene to the grp. The thing with styrene is the stuff likes to be 'welded' that is, the solvent dissolves both pieces of styrene slightly. As the solvent evaporates the two pieces of styrene become one- justl like welding two bits of steel together.

If you intend to use an epoxy glue you will find it will peel off the styrene after a period of time. I was recommended stabilit express acrylic glue, but I found the stuff useless on styrene sheet. what I eventually used was old style Evo Stick, the solvent based one. Roughen the styrene sheet to get a good 'key' smear on the evostick, the solvent in it partially melts the styrene creating a bond and because its an impact adhesive with elastic properties it will also bond to grp. Of course in the UK as far as I am aware, Evo Stick is now only available as a water based product so I have no idea how it would work out in your situation.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 26, 2015, 09:14:16 pm
Well gentlemen, thanks for the advice...you'll be pleased to know that common sense has kicked in, and I'll not be attempting to modify my Springer hull. I'm hoping to have got a friendly and well known hull manufacturer to make me a CNC cut kit of parts (from styrene) for a Motorflote to the original plans, thus solving all my problems in one go.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on February 26, 2015, 10:14:48 pm
Problem solvered, as they say
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2015, 02:42:06 pm
For a while I've been pestering Andy down at Models By Design to make me up a kit of the Motorflote, and I'm pleased to say he's relented. I received some photos from him today of the hull, all cnc cut from styrene. He's done a super job on it by the looks of the pictures...thanks Andy.

To this end, I've been sorting out the bits n' bobs I'll be needing to commence building once the kit of parts arrives, I've practically got all I need now. It'll be nice to build a boat that I can move about and to use when it's done.

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 28, 2015, 02:58:46 pm
Great stuff Rich
Looks like you will have ready to run by the weekend {-) {-)
Watch the fumes from the styrene glue though <*<

Looking forward to the build log :-))

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2015, 03:53:41 pm
What with styrene glue fumes and cellulose paint fumes in my bedroom, I sleep well at night.... {-)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 28, 2015, 04:03:39 pm
Probably float a couple of feet above the mattress  %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2015, 04:18:10 pm
You can see why it's been a long time since I had a ''romantic intervention''.....


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on February 28, 2015, 04:59:29 pm
Romantic interventions and motorflote construction are best kept well apart  8)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: davidm1945 on February 28, 2015, 05:26:41 pm
I'm intrigued. Why would you need a kit to make a boat that is basically several boxes joined together? Surely if you can cut a straight line with a Stanley knife you can make your own.

Dave.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 28, 2015, 09:17:19 pm
David, you have hit the nail right on the head with your second sentence. On a good day I can cut a straight line with the best of them...on a bad day I couldn't even draw a straight line, let alone cut one. My bad hand days seem to be increasing recently, despite the new medication...the weather doesn't help either. Rather than waste several sheets of styrene I asked Andy to do the honours on his cnc machine...the rest you know.


Believe me, I wish with all my heart that I could use my limbs like I could ten years ago, but I cannot...I hate having to ask people for help, and relying on people, but I am lucky that I have some very good friends who will help me out and keep me in the hobby.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: davidm1945 on February 28, 2015, 10:40:46 pm
   Sir, I thank you for your explanation, you make it all clear now. I applaud your desire to continue modelling despite your problems and it is good to see that there are friends out there that are pleased to help.
   Keep up the good work!  :-))

   Atb Dave.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 07:34:22 am



Thanks for the kind words, Dave...I hope my answer above didn't sound arrogant. Today is a good day so far, I could cut styrene all day, but with RA you just never know what the next hour will bring, let alone the next day.


But, there's always someone out there much worse off than I, so I shall just count my blessings and keep going at it.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 10:01:50 am
Morning chaps..


The brackets (for want of a better word) that navigation lights sit in....what colour would they be? Would they be painted red/green, or black? They are for the Motorflote if it makes a difference?


Thanks,


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 02, 2015, 10:07:44 am


I believe it's relevant to the year of the ship.  They used to be the colour of the lamp before a certain date, but now they are black, so as not to reflect the colour all over the place.

Cheers

ken
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 02, 2015, 10:21:05 am
Black since the early 70's Rich.


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 10:22:38 am
Marvellous...thanks Ken, thanks Ned. I guess the Motorflote will be post 70's, so black it will be.


Thanks chaps,

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 02:06:22 pm
Another Motorflote question..(who said ''not again?'')


The plan calls for a Monoperm, which I haven't got...but, I do have either an Aeronaut Race 400 or an ACTion 385. I don't want large amounts of speed and high revs, I need a motor which will give me plenty of pushing power...what would be the one to go for, chaps? Any recommendations? Battery pack will be a 7.2v 3700niMh pack, prop will be a maximum of 35mm 3 blade, probably plastic.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 02, 2015, 02:15:20 pm
 
Multiple topics merged!   :-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 02:16:36 pm
Thanks Martin...my fault, must remember to post in the same place.  %)

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 02, 2015, 03:00:33 pm
 
That's what you pay me for!   :kiss:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 03:35:40 pm
Oh well, in that case...you're fired!


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 02, 2015, 04:20:53 pm
 
... not for the first time!  <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 02, 2015, 04:22:30 pm
Rich
Start with the 385; the 400 Race will almost certainly be too fast, even on 6 cells. If you do decide to go mad later on then the 400 will fit the same mount and coupling.
"RA"?
Dave M
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 02, 2015, 04:25:09 pm
Gorrit.
Rheumatoid arthritis. Not good for an active modeller.
DM
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 04:33:53 pm
Thanks Dave...I sorta figured that may be the one to go for. Speed makes no difference to a Motorflote, if you attempt to go fast they just start to wallow. Not a pretty sight...


RA...correct, not good for anybody. On a good day I can do most of the things that I used to be able to do...on a bad day I have trouble rolling a smoke.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on March 02, 2015, 05:48:45 pm
Don't think a 380/385 motor will have enough torque to pull a 35mm prop efficiently direct drive.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 02, 2015, 06:13:02 pm
Probably float a couple of feet above the mattress  %%

Ned
If  there were four other people in the room though Rich could have a "High Five"... {-)
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 02, 2015, 06:43:51 pm
I have trouble with a High 1, let alone a High 5...

Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 03, 2015, 09:13:07 am
Don't think a 380/385 motor will have enough torque to pull a 35mm prop efficiently direct drive.
It's been the normal drive on Revell Snowberrys for ever, and works well.  Usually the motor is on about half its rated max voltage.  Having said that, the original Springers (and this was originally going to be based on a springer hull)were normally powered by a 540.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 03, 2015, 09:27:14 am
The Motorflote is completely flat fronted, at least the Springer does have a more rounded bow. A Springer does try and get up on the plane, a Motorflote will just start to porpoise if power is increased, the porpoising will just get worse the faster you try and go with it.


I don't think there's room to get a bigger motor in, I'll know for sure when the kit arrives later this week...if there is a chance of squeezing one of Mr Action's 550's in, then I will, but looking at the drawings it will be tight. The only other choice is to go brushless, I do have a brushless motor that Andy recommended, c/w the matching esc and a lipo, so I'll check that out when the kit arrives.


Rich


Pic shows size comparision between brushed and brushless set ups.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on March 03, 2015, 09:44:58 am
The 700kv brushless motor will work very well. Won't even work up a sweat on 2s and you can easily go to 3s if you want a bit more grunt.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 03, 2015, 09:50:14 am
Another difference between a Springer and the Motorflote is the size..a Springer is 18'' long, a Motorflote is barely 12'' long, but with the aquadynamics of a pair of house bricks taped together.


That brushless set up is gaining in points over a conventional brushed set up, methinks...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2015, 01:06:45 pm
Just had the good news from the lovely Debbie at Models By Design...the Motorflote kit is all cut out and in the post.


The crew signed on yesterday...he's known as George. Handsome devil...bears a distinct resemblance to a certain tv Doctor, I'm told.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 04, 2015, 01:52:01 pm
hi Rich.
 So!!  if there are any Gremlins in the engine room will "George" fix em with his sonic screwdriver.... {-) {-) {-)
 
 Frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 04, 2015, 02:04:28 pm
There was an original George, he's now the official team mascot for She Devil Racing...he has his own personal chair in the trailer, and is responsible for keeping law and order among the crew.


This  is George number...eleven, I think. It's a long story, Frank...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2015, 02:08:04 pm
A package has just arrived from Models By Design containing...a flat pack Motorflote.  That's something you don't see every day... ;D


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 05, 2015, 02:19:39 pm
Are you using square section abs on each internal angle of the
hull boxes Rich?

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2015, 02:25:04 pm
Oh yes Ned...I bought a large selection of various sized square section stryene strip especially for that purpose.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 05, 2015, 04:08:53 pm
I plan to reinforce every join in the whole boat...belt n' braces.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2015, 01:09:32 pm
Fingers and hands fully operational today for a change, so I've made a start today on assembling the kit...so far, so good. Everything fits where it should, and it's going together well.


Using a rotary workstand to work on is a great help, it allows me to work on one, then the other, just by swivelling the stand around...brilliant idea, thanks to my mate Ian (IanPAL on here) for loaning it to me.


Time to tidy the bedroom up now, the ladyfriend is coming round later, so Motorflote construction is temporarily halted...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 06, 2015, 01:41:57 pm
Last bit for today...made the steering nozzle support plate, just taped in position for now.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 07, 2015, 11:33:18 am
Oh, meant to add...in the photos above, the motor ISN'T a Race 400, it's an ACTion 385, I 'borrowed' the torque ring from the 400.


Fitted the bow panel this morning...and yes, I know there's a slight discrepancy in the height of the left hand upright strengthening strip. Luckily, it won't show and it won't affect anything.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on March 07, 2015, 08:24:04 pm
A suggestion you can pass on with this kit. If it's going to be CNC routed, then it would be easy to include tabs and indents so that the parts clip together and self jig. That would simplify construction considerably.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrzippy on March 07, 2015, 11:27:21 pm
Err? not sure what's going on here guys ??
I am following this thread with great interest - having built the original wooden Motorflote many years ago.

Looking at Andy's (Models by Design) Motorflote mock up at the Ellesmere Port Show today -
the kit includes the necessary bulkheads and sub frames required for easy assembly, all beautifully CNC routed.

I am guessing Richard, because of his dexterity problem, is building the model by his own belt and braces methods
employing box section plastic in place of the kits parts.

The MBD kit should make an easy build 'straight out of the box' as supplied.  Paul
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 08, 2015, 07:55:40 am
Correct Paul,


The original Motorflote plan was designed as an easy to build model, so when Andy cut the kit out for me in styrene, it followed the original design, just a few little tweaks here and there. Built from the parts supplied (and as Andy is building the demo one at Ellesmere Port) it will be a piece of the proverbial cake to assemble, but I chose to do my own thing with mine.
I'm finding it easier to put it together with square section styrene, it gives me more contact surface to glue, and more to hold, which is vitally important to me....I find holding things steady for any length of time very difficult.


Another plus factor is that with all strengthening I'm adding, the boat should be able to survive the day to day knocks and bangs it will inevitably receive on sailing days without incurring too much damage. I also have a Thames Lighter to build which I'd like to be able to push with the Motorflote, so the additional strength will be very useful for that.


I should add at this point that before Andy went ahead with this project, he approached David Metcalf (the original Motorflote designer) for permission to produce it as a kit...this was duly given, so I guess a big 'Thank You' is due to David.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 09, 2015, 07:22:10 am
I'll post some more pics of my M'flote build in a bit, but for now there's good news:


Andy & Debbie have decided to manufacture the Motorflote as a completely cnc cut kit. You'll get four large sheets of cnc cut sytrene, cut to the original David Metcalf plan, but with a few minor additions here and there to provide extra strengthening to the joints.


it's very easy to put together, Andy assembled a kit at the Ellesmore Show in his spare time...I expect a lot of you saw it being put together.


Anyway, if you fancy building something totally different, contact Andy or Debbie at: sales@modelsbydesign.co.uk or call them on 01425 476 174


Oh...the price? £30 plus postage/packing.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrzippy on March 09, 2015, 06:12:54 pm
Sounds like a good idea Rich especially if you are using it with anger !
I am going to try and post some photos of Andy's build showing the pre cut structure -
this will be a first for me - but here goes. Paul
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 09, 2015, 06:18:44 pm
More please Paul...I'll be starting on the cabin on mine tomorrow.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrzippy on March 09, 2015, 06:19:32 pm
Not bad one out of three - here goes again
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrzippy on March 09, 2015, 06:20:46 pm
and again -
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrzippy on March 09, 2015, 07:00:49 pm
cabin internal framing - fathomed out how to post more photos - result!.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on March 09, 2015, 07:30:43 pm
OK OK OK Why on earth is this Tug INFAMOUS what is so special about it....just cant get my head around all the Hype associated with it someone please enlghten me
 
Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 09, 2015, 08:03:15 pm
It could be famous...or it could be infamous, depends on how you look at it. I just happen to like it...


Rich


Oh...thanks for the photos, Paul, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2015, 03:59:39 pm
Chaps, a question or two:


(a) I'm making a false floor for George to stand on when he's on Motorflote driving duty...what material would be used for the floor covering? Any ideas? I'm guessing at either chequer plate or possibly something like linoleum?


(b) The cabin windows...would they be fitted from the inside, or from the outside?


Thanks fellas...




Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 12, 2015, 04:55:54 pm
They were very much a utility craft so chequered plate was probably used.
I have seen old workboats and fishing boats with steel decks just having
a nonslip surface done with weld runs done in a chequerplate pattern.
We're the originals steel or Alloy?
On my ply one I put a piece of clear plastic inside and that was it.
You could cut a frame of plasticard for each or just paint a silver outline
around.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2015, 05:18:17 pm
Cheers Ned...


I've got some chequer plate somewhere, I'll dig that out later on.


I think for the windows I'll make some plasticard frames, and install them like a full sized window.
 I plan to use cd cases for the glass, with one window down and one partly open.


Thanks mate,


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 12, 2015, 05:28:51 pm
Sounds like you're after a prize at the Model Engineering Expo %%
Up and down Windows with leather straps like the old railwaycarriages {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2015, 06:01:00 pm
I don't do much in the way of competitions, Ned...I just want it to look about right in our local regattas. These things fascinate me for some reason...I don't know why, they are about the ugliest things I've ever seen on water, but there's just something about them.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 12, 2015, 06:30:39 pm
It's gonna look just great on the water Rich :-))
With a barge or lighter to push they are very pretty.
Or ugly depending on your point of view.
Still waiting for a scan of the plans.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 12, 2015, 07:30:34 pm
I've never heard of a Motorflote being called 'pretty'..unless it was 'pretty ugly'. But I love 'em..


I have a Thames Lighter for it to play with, that'll be a bit of fun.


I thought I send you a scanned plan? Perhaps I didn't...remind me in the morning, and I'll resend it to you. Everything M'flote is on my other laptop.




Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 12, 2015, 11:56:40 pm
Hi Ned.
    I think Rich is going to surprise us and sneak a  torpedo tube in each of they right angled spaces either side of the bottom of the hull  {-)
   frank
   
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 13, 2015, 11:23:18 am
Here we go then, boys...latest updates on the Motorflote build.


The radio installation is virtually finished now...just a few loose ends to tie up and that's done. The motor is now installed, and I've started on George's new office...he insisted on doing the interior design himself.


(Note his taste in reading material...no naughty magazines for him, he's a clean living chap. Like me...)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on March 13, 2015, 02:23:01 pm
I take it he is still waiting for his copy of tardis weekly - the how to utilise little spaces for the chap on the go  %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 13, 2015, 02:35:37 pm
Good thing he's not a big boy...mind you, he does have a large lunch boxx. %)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on March 13, 2015, 03:09:47 pm
Looks like george is thinking, these bigger windows will help me see where i am going now, i would how bending time and space will react with glass this big
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 13, 2015, 03:42:34 pm
Mr Warspite sir...I really think you spend too much time watching tv.   %)


I did try to persuade George to grow a few tomatoes in his new office, but he wouldn't have any of that.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 14, 2015, 02:23:57 pm
Latest update:


Nearly finished the wiring, just waiting on the battery packs to arrive.
Waiting on the paint to arrive, so I can't paint anything.
Waiting on a few more bits to arrive from Macs Mouldings, so I can't finish the cabin.




Looks like it's time for a beer... 8)


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on March 14, 2015, 05:17:22 pm
AHHHH yes the TV, the biggest bug bare I contend with, watching MASH and how do they do that, getting inspiration to do............................absolutely nothing  {-).

After a long days worrying on how to pay bill's etc (I now have to do the company accounts as well as deliver goods / parts / draw and progress contracts - were a two man operation), I get home and put my vegetation hat on and watch the gogglebox, when there's nothing on and I have an idea of how to proceed on the multitude of projects in the loft etc then modelling will come to the fore.

are you sure there is enough room for tomatoes - a grow bag on the outside canopy of the engine room might produce some potatoes, but surely there is no room to swing a cat in the cabin let alone tomatoes - water cress maybe.  %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 14, 2015, 07:19:29 pm
You're way above me here...I know zero about gardening, grow bags, etc. Might be able to squeeze a mini cactus in a pot in the cabin somewhere...


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 12:58:29 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong here, gentlemen, but I'm sure I've seen a pic somewhere of a small push tug similar to a Motorflote with a hatch in the roof, similar to an escape hatch or even a sun roof type of thing. Any ideas anybody? Or am I on the wrong planet here?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 05:53:36 pm
Well, right or not, George will be having a hatch above his head.


Rich


(excuse the glue line, I hadn't noticed that until I posted the picture.... :embarrassed:  )
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Brian60 on March 15, 2015, 07:12:25 pm
I can't understand the appeal of them, just a motorised steel box noot much bigger than a coffin.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 07:34:09 pm
I'm awful sorry you don't like my choice of model...I'll ask Martin or Ken to pull the whole topic and that'll be it, you'll not have to read it again.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 15, 2015, 07:50:25 pm
 
Built for a purpose I guess.... and and very cheaply I'd wager!

I can't understand the appeal of them, just a motorised steel box noot much bigger than a coffin.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 08:03:59 pm
Ah...Martin, can you please remove this whole topic if you wouldn't mind?


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on March 15, 2015, 08:26:16 pm
Rich GROW UP ...it doesnt matter a toss what others post about it if it floats your boat then so be it,YES I asked why was it infamous and you replied BUT it wasnt meant to be a critism,BUT sorry if you think it was...I for one have allways looked at this thread with interest....if everyone  took your  attitude IN MY OPINION  then all I can say to Martin and the mods is simple...BYE BYE MAYHEM
 
Dave...........now waiting for the flack
 
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on March 15, 2015, 08:26:35 pm
No no no ...some people are enjoying this build.  Daft kinda boat but I`ve seen worse and much more uninteresting . Keep us entertained Rich, please.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 08:47:52 pm
Dave...no flack, at least not from me.


Mr Arrow...thank you.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: big_bri on March 15, 2015, 08:51:25 pm
Keep it going Rich.....a bit unusual, but a nice build all the same :-))
Can`t wait to see how it performs on the water O0
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Bob K on March 15, 2015, 09:23:57 pm
I am enjoying this build too.  Please keep it going  :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Peter_s on March 15, 2015, 09:24:41 pm
It would be such a shame to loose so much useful info and a great thread. I've just enjoyed the last 1/2hr reading most of what has been posted!


Looks a great build rich keep going please!  :-)) :-)) :-))


Pete
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 15, 2015, 10:14:50 pm
Thanks guys...I appreciate the kind words, I really do.


Rich
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Howard on March 15, 2015, 10:21:39 pm
Dave(Stavros) your turning into a Colin,
Regards Howard.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 16, 2015, 07:37:12 am
Hi Rich,

Keep the article going.

As I was taught in photography, if you like a picture good. If other people like it that's a bonus.

A very good model boat builder once said to me that he did not like my boats because the have little detail on them.

I replied when the boat is away from the bank the detail is not seen so why bother!

If you type into Google Images Truckable Tugs you will see some that are uglier than the Motorflot.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 16, 2015, 08:25:41 am
Thought we were boat modellers. O0 O0
If you wish to comment favourably or constructively then do so.
If you don't like a model then keep your thoughts to yourselves please.
Anyway what's not to like about this 'Infamous Motorflote' at work?


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 08:33:57 am
I have this weird obsession with the Motorflote, don't know why, but I just do. There's loads of push tugs out there, most of them a damn sight better looking, but there's just something about them that I like.


I'll keep the posts coming then if you'd like me to...won't be much to post today, as I want to get some paint on the hull.


Thank you all for the support. I appreciate it.


Rich


(Ned, keep the photos of yours coming if you have any more)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 16, 2015, 08:57:53 am

Looking at those photos, the skippers must strong stomach to operate them!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 09:03:44 am
George came fully equipped with a concrete lining to his stomach...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: sean Half-pint works on March 16, 2015, 11:48:07 am
I just had a minor heart attack when you were asking for it to be pulled! I have recently got back to boats and reallly recently.discovered the push tugs, starting on my springer soon, although I am kinda tempted by this too now  :o

Where did you get the plans please? I shall add it to the 'to build' list.

Please, please keep the build log going or I shall have to set the motorfloat police on you, for failure of services to motor floats  :police:  ok2

Sean
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 12:33:16 pm
Oh no...not the Motorflote police! I shall obey, oh masterful one... %)


I bought the magazine from eBay (December 1985) with the build article and plans in it, Andy at Models By Design made me a kit in styrene, all cnc cut. He'll sell you a kit if you want one...£30 plus postage (I think Debbie said post was a tenner, but don't quote me on that) If you build it to the plan, you could have it on the water in a weekend, but I sort of got carried away with mine, and I'm adding all sorts of working bits to it.



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 01:52:25 pm
Not much done today, the paint didn't arrive but the ladyfriend did, so I occupied myself with fitting the roof lights, making the back boards, and trial fitting the horns whilst she was snoozing on the sofa.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 16, 2015, 08:07:42 pm

I assume you mean the TUG.                {-)


k


Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 08:13:08 pm
I assume you mean the TUG.                {-)


k


Doh!!!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: barriew on March 16, 2015, 08:14:41 pm
Not much done today, the paint didn't arrive but the ladyfriend did,


You should havea switch tomorrow posted 1st class this am :-))


Barrie
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 08:16:06 pm
That's great..thanks Barrie, I appreciate that, very good of you.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on March 16, 2015, 09:39:39 pm
Rich GLAD to see you have seen sense LUCKY for you or I WOULD have had to TELL ALL and you know WHAT I MEAN  ;) ;)
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 16, 2015, 09:55:53 pm
Silence...you rotten so and so!!   {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 17, 2015, 08:40:43 am
Hi Rich
What scale is the motorflote please ?
It looks like a great little kit Andy has made there.
I built one many years ago it was great fun.

Derek
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 08:43:15 am
Morning Derek,


It's 1/12th scale..small boat, big scale. Ideal for my fingers...


I don't suppose you have any pictures of yours, do you?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Delboy1958 on March 17, 2015, 08:54:18 am
Hi Rich
Thanks for that .
No sorry I don't have pictures of mine it went to a new home years ago.
But I might make another  %% %% %%

Derek
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 09:06:28 am
No worries Derek,


They are good fun to build and to use, my first one was built double size...it had a mind of it's own and went where it liked...very interesting in a steering regatta!

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 01:02:09 pm
Here we go then, bit more done this morning despite having hands like rugby balls.


Wiring for the navigation lights is done, and the wires fed down inside plastic trunking as per BSI regulations  %)  and a posh new seat for George to perch his bum on. The glazing for the rear window tucks down behind the trunking, and can be removed should I need to gain access for any reason.


I also had a go at making a searchlamp...it's not pretty, but it works. It's got a 10mm HiViz led inside, so I should be able to see the boat on a night sail.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 03:51:03 pm
And the last little bit for today...my fingers have had enough. Door handle, door hinge and grab rails made and fitted. And no, the grab rail by the door isn't crooked, for some reason it just looks that way in the photograph.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Big Ada on March 17, 2015, 06:00:10 pm
Is George a Dentist or a Barber in his spare time.  {-) :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 06:09:55 pm
Neither...a tree surgeon.   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: big_bri on March 17, 2015, 09:22:52 pm
Looks great Rich :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 17, 2015, 10:00:58 pm
Thanks BB, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 18, 2015, 03:30:13 pm
Is it just me, or does this life ring look a bit too big for poor old George?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 18, 2015, 03:34:39 pm
Thought it was a hoopla hoop %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 18, 2015, 03:35:51 pm
Promise me you'll try harder, Ned...   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 18, 2015, 04:45:03 pm
Thought it was a hoopla hoop %%

Ned

 naw its a polo mint    O0
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 18, 2015, 05:00:55 pm
He's wearing your halo Rich %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 18, 2015, 05:33:31 pm
Is George a Dentist or a Barber in his spare time.  {-) :-))
now I know why there is a big open hatch in the roof, its for george to shoot out of when he presses the ejector seat button.. ;D
 
 frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 18, 2015, 05:34:38 pm
Dear, oh dear...Martin, can't you ban these three   %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 18, 2015, 05:51:43 pm
We need a Mayhem Room 101 methinks.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 18, 2015, 05:53:21 pm
Or an Area 51...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 19, 2015, 12:12:57 pm
Bit of posh bling has just arrived, looks as though the actual operating arm needs a bit of trimming, seems to be a bit long to me.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 19, 2015, 03:01:42 pm

It's all to do with scale.   %)

Unfortunately, I have found on the larger scales, the gap between sizes really does become apparent.

k
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Post by: U-33 on March 19, 2015, 03:23:34 pm
It would seem that the gap between 1/12th scale and 1/14th scale is bigger than I thought...I had to cut quite a bit out of the arm to make it look any sense. Having done that, I couldn't find a glue that would stick the two parts back together...in the end I had to resort to the good old ''Sticks like S**t'', reinforced with a small piece of heat shrink tubing. By the time it's painted black, I don't think it'll look too bad.


I also had a play about making a monitor to display the local water charts...just needs a frame round it now.
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Post by: Netleyned on March 19, 2015, 03:46:56 pm
If that was 1/12th Rich it would be even bigger.
It must be for a Monster Truck {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 19, 2015, 04:03:27 pm
Groans loudly...  %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 20, 2015, 03:38:40 pm
Little more done, George's posh seat is all sprayed up. Probably well over the top for a utility vessel like a Motorflote, but I think it looks ok.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on March 20, 2015, 03:56:47 pm
One cool seat, for gentleman George
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 20, 2015, 04:16:17 pm
Hope he doesn't bounce out of it.... %)
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Post by: Fastfaz on March 20, 2015, 04:58:39 pm
Keep it going Rich, I find myself chuckling with each post (that's not sarcasm I just find the whole idea different and amusing) square corners and forward motion in water etc. Nice work to.
           Cheers,
               Peter.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: carlmt on March 20, 2015, 06:51:05 pm
At thirty quid or so, one of these should be in all our armouries for pond side rescues of stricken boats!!!!
 
Keep up the interesting posts Rich  :-))  I am highly tempted by one to become the Linkspan Models Rescue Tug.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 20, 2015, 08:30:35 pm
One cool seat, for gentleman George
 :-))
ah the ubiquitous black chair is George going on mastermind.. {-)
 
 frankster prankster  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 20, 2015, 08:45:39 pm
At thirty quid or so, one of these should be in all our armouries for pond side rescues of stricken boats!!!!
 
Keep up the interesting posts Rich  :-))  I am highly tempted by one to become the Linkspan Models Rescue Tug.

 I can see over time this will be come a popular model like the seaport and springer as its a precut easy build that you can add your own embelishments to which comes at reasonable price and is of a size that you can stick in a bag and take to the pond with you.
 
 frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 20, 2015, 10:24:20 pm
I'd like to think they could be popular, and Andy (Griggs) would be a happy man too. I've just sold another one (must remember to tell Andy...)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 21, 2015, 09:01:22 pm
Just in case you were wondering why there's a lack of updates...


The paint I ordered arrived...wrong colour.
The battery packs I ordered...won't be ready until late next week.


I can't fit the deck until the batteries arrive, I can't fit the front cabin panel until the paint arrives, so all I can really do is fiddle about making little odds n' so ends until things turn up.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on March 21, 2015, 09:45:01 pm
its missing the little yellow and black hoop - for when the weather gets so bad he can ejector seat out, the ring is about right for a liferaft, but a bit big for a piles cushion (does his bum look big in it  {-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 22, 2015, 09:13:14 am
You can always get the Lady Friend to make him a nice orange boilersuit  :D :D


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: sean Half-pint works on March 22, 2015, 09:34:32 am
I asked my lady friend for similar, she told me to go away (or words to that effect at least) and got on with building her narrow boat.  :}

Sean
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 22, 2015, 10:04:49 am
You can always get the Lady Friend to make him a nice orange boilersuit  :D :D


Ned


Alas Ned, lady friend is no longer lady friend...so unofficially adopted daughter is being volunteered into making George something more comfortable to slip into..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 23, 2015, 09:21:11 pm
Still waiting for the battery packs to arrive, so I'm making little odds n' ends. George wanted a rope locker...he got an old plastic fish box with a bent handle and a piece of an old broom handle to support the lid. Tomorrow I'll plank the lid with wooden coffee stirrers.




Oh, and ladyfriend is still ladyfriend...say no more.


Oh, and there may be an all alloy Motorflote coming along...more details on that as and when.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 23, 2015, 09:58:28 pm
Hi Rich.
 what does this look like
 frank
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/_57_zpszeievf8m.jpg)
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Post by: U-33 on March 23, 2015, 10:21:19 pm
It's sort of...almost...but not quite.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on March 24, 2015, 11:03:16 am
What.....................................................not enough rivets  ok2
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 24, 2015, 11:22:27 am
Gave up the idea of planking a piece of styrene, so George's rop locker now has a proper wooden lid...still got the bent handle though. Should look ok with a some varnish and some paint on the box.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 24, 2015, 12:27:00 pm
Hi Rich.
 what does this look like
 frank
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/_57_zpszeievf8m.jpg)


Any more pics or links to pics Frank??


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 24, 2015, 01:54:29 pm
Oh deep joy...wire bending exercises.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 24, 2015, 02:09:03 pm
Don't forget Rich
Take care when bending your wire. {-)
Especially the skids 8)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 24, 2015, 02:20:58 pm
I just love making railings...not.  Mind you, it's not too bad a job in this scale. I've run out of wire now, so the skids will have to wait for a bit...I feel a scrounging email to my mate Andy in Bristol coming on....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 25, 2015, 12:57:17 pm
Battery packs are now installed, wiring tidied up, the deck is glued on, and the pusher knees are now made and temporarily put on just to see if they fit ok. The pusher knees are made from square section styrene with a length of alloy rod inside them. On the outside will go a length of thick rubber strip. The deck edges will be covered with angle section styrene to hide the joins.

Hopefully, fingers crossed, I might be ready to do a bath test tomorrow...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 25, 2015, 03:52:29 pm
Hopefully, fingers crossed, I might be ready to do a bath test tomorrow...

If this is your first time, be sure to undress first and then test the temperature of the water with a toe before climbing in. It helps to have the sponge, loofah and soap within easy reach. Don't mess around trying to push your big toe up the tap and don't forget to rinse around the bath once it's emptied to prevent a ring of limescale from forming.
DM (always happy to help........)  8)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 25, 2015, 03:59:14 pm






For once I'm totally and utterly speechless....
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Post by: Netleyned on March 25, 2015, 04:08:02 pm
Remember
It Is Not A Submarine you are testing.
Static diving tests are not the order of the day.

PS
Don't sit on the soap  %% %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 25, 2015, 04:13:44 pm
I don't know...a Motorflote would make a half decent submersible. Add a few more lights, radar scanners...give George a set of oxygen bottles...hmm.
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Post by: hmsantrim on March 25, 2015, 07:28:28 pm
Remember
It Is Not A Submarine you are testing.
Static diving tests are not the order of the day.

PS
Don't sit on the soap  %% %% %%

Ned
PS: And Don`t have beans for dinner either or you will end up having a "Bubble Bath"... {-) {-) {-)
 Frank
 
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Post by: U-33 on March 25, 2015, 07:41:01 pm
I'm still speechless...  O0
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Post by: hmsantrim on March 25, 2015, 08:05:41 pm

Any more pics or links to pics Frank??


Ned

 Hi ned.
 here are the pix to go with the message sent. on the  klein Schubschiffen  LÖWE ..small pusher boat LOWE..[/font]
 
 (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/schubboot-loewe-faehrt-am-250909-13677_zpsrwddof0w.jpg)
 
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/schubschiffe-und--verbaende-9605_zpsulck32oc.jpg)
 
 
 Ja..  ein Modell Kit.. O0
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/IMG_1662_zpsppklix0b.jpg)
 
 
Frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 25, 2015, 08:50:48 pm
I've never seen a Motorflote with a sleeper cab....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 25, 2015, 08:58:30 pm
I've never seen a Motorflote with a sleeper cab....

Sleeper Cab........Nein..Scheiße Haus. ;D
 
 frank
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Post by: Arrow5 on March 25, 2015, 09:03:47 pm
or a cludgie as it is called north of the border O0
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Post by: vnkiwi on March 26, 2015, 12:38:33 am
And from NZ
 %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 26, 2015, 12:43:56 pm
Somebody tell me why I decided to build this damn Motorflote? Every straight edge, every join, has to have a length of 4mm styrene angle glued across it...I've used over a dozen packets of the stuff so far. It's driving me mad...just over half way through now.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on March 26, 2015, 01:01:47 pm
Your doing well, Rich.
Keep up the good work
 :-))
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Post by: U-33 on March 26, 2015, 01:28:00 pm
Doing me best, VNK...it certainly tries the patience!
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Post by: vnkiwi on March 26, 2015, 01:33:38 pm
Patience, ain't they hospital inmates?
And one can only do ones best, I'm with you on that.
 ;)
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Post by: U-33 on March 26, 2015, 01:35:25 pm
I'll end up a gibbering wreck, sat in the corner and muttering to myself soon...
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Post by: vnkiwi on March 26, 2015, 01:39:24 pm
Your welcome to join me in my corner, been here a while and the conversations is getting a wee bit one sided.
 :o
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Post by: Netleyned on March 26, 2015, 01:58:17 pm
Thought a corner has two sides %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 26, 2015, 02:28:21 pm
Somebody tell me why I decided to build this damn Motorflote? Every straight edge, every join, has to have a length of 4mm styrene angle glued across it...I've used over a dozen packets of the stuff so far. It's driving me mad...just over half way through now.

 And I thought I was the only perfectionist on here... O0
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 26, 2015, 02:29:47 pm
I'll end up a gibbering wreck, sat in the corner and muttering to myself soon...

 Hi Rich
 I can lend you a straight jacket...I have a few spare.... {-)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 26, 2015, 03:02:45 pm
Don't know about a straight jacket, I need a new straight edge...


Anyway, I had to have a change from cutting those pieces of angle, so I've made the strengthening plate that the pusher knees attach to, and installed the gratings.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on March 26, 2015, 03:19:39 pm
(Thought a corner has two sides (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/cheesy1.gif) (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/cheesy1.gif)

Ned )

Na, each corner of a Motoflote has 3 sides.
Count em.
 :D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 26, 2015, 03:20:56 pm
And each side has three corners, or so it seems... <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 10:05:38 am
Right boys n' girls..spot of advice, please...


How would you guys attach the tyres to the sides on the 'Flote? I hate the damn great knots I seem to get...any other ways of doing it?

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 27, 2015, 11:11:54 am
Right boys n' girls..spot of advice, please...


How would you guys attach the tyres to the sides on the 'Flote? I hate the damn great knots I seem to get...any other ways of doing it?
super glue,  heat shrink,  wire crimp.??
frank
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Post by: inertia on March 27, 2015, 12:07:19 pm
A la Model Slipway method -
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 12:12:08 pm
Someone on good old Facebook has just come up with a good idea...drill two holes though the tyre, thread the rope through, and have the knot inside.


I like that...

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Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 12:12:49 pm
Ah...Dave, you beat me to it.
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Post by: mrturbo553 on March 27, 2015, 01:51:12 pm
Rich , when it's finished , do you want me to put one of our low loaders on to bring it "up north" for the Balne moor pro-am ? You know we can handle the size with our gear   ;)


Keep up with the pictures old boy


Aid
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Post by: Netleyned on March 27, 2015, 02:31:33 pm
Ah yes a Rotorflote to go with the rotor tugs %%

Ned
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Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 02:56:32 pm
You may mock...a Motorflote will run rings round any of these 'ere tugs, even if they 'ave got  rotors.
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Post by: Netleyned on March 27, 2015, 03:06:04 pm
The rotor tugs have a bridge that rotates Rich
If George's little wheelhouse rotated he might
need a sickbag {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 03:12:28 pm
Pah! George is 'ard, he don't get seasick...he goes round and round in circles all the time.  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 04:29:03 pm
Tyre fenders now sorted, they look much better without those horrible great knots. Thanks to everybody who offered advice, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 27, 2015, 04:40:59 pm
Are the cruciform bollards fixed through the deck Rich ?
Sure as s##t if a tyre catches anywhere if the bollard is
secured by cyano alone it will be ripped off.
Been there >>:-(

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
Yes Ned, they are...under the bollards and inside the deck, I bonded a section of 2mm styrene, drilled holes through it to correspond with those in the bollards, then screwed the whole lot together with s/steel self tapping screws, and a drop of cyano on the threads to be sure. If they catch on anything it'll pull the whole deck off....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 27, 2015, 05:12:41 pm
Pah! George is 'ard, he don't get seasick...he goes round and round in circles all the time.  ;D

 Yeh, Thats right Rich told us earlier in the saga that George came with a cast iron lining in his stomach,  its called Porridge... {-)
 
 Frank
   
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Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 05:26:23 pm
Aye Frank, that'll be right...and it's proper porridge at that, comes out of the pot like half solid Milliput.   %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: tattooed on March 27, 2015, 09:17:31 pm
looking good my old mate :-))  got you some wire i'll get it in the post over the weekend
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 27, 2015, 10:02:15 pm
Hiya mate,


That's good of you, I appreciate that...thanks mate. I'll call you Sunday morning..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 28, 2015, 10:43:12 am
Didn't like that tyre fender on the stern, so a change was called for. A length of chain, a section of 2mm thick rubber sheet, and couple of pieces of 1/16th brass wire resulted in this...I think it looks a bit better.


Oh, and I've run out of styrene angle..again. So nearly finished, now I have to order another pack of the stuff.  >>:-(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Big Ada on March 28, 2015, 05:31:47 pm
Has it got wet yet? not top heavy I trust. {:-{

Len.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 28, 2015, 06:32:07 pm
Hello Len,


No, not got it wet yet, I still have a couple more strips of styrene angle to fit, plus a spot of filling and sanding to finish off. The paint arrived today as well, so I may spray it first before bath tests take place, not sure yet.


It shouldn't be top heavy, all the weight is down low, with the batteries in the side tunnels...fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 29, 2015, 08:44:30 am
Hi,
With the new rear fender it would be a good place for the tugs name?
Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 08:53:45 am
Do Motorflotes have names?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 29, 2015, 09:42:28 am
I'm sure you've given it several already. Just use the one which is easiest to spell and likely to cause the least offence at the pond-side.
DM
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 09:51:59 am
Ah...you mean like ''f********* silly thing'' or ''why did I start this b****** thing'....good thinking, DM.


I was just going to put a company name on each side, when I think of something suitable...''Sussex Shoving'' is a contender at the moment.  %)


Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 29, 2015, 10:28:29 am
How about "Uggett and Stuffitt"? I'll get me coat..............
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 11:47:18 am
Taxi for Mr Milbourn....  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 29, 2015, 02:22:18 pm
Hi,

I named one of my boats with a four letter word!

....Beth.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 02:27:25 pm
I was thinking of naming the 'Flote after my ladyfriend, but her  name is so long, the boat isn't big enough... <:(


But, and earning myself valuable house points into the bargain, the ferry is to be named after her  %)
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Post by: Netleyned on March 29, 2015, 02:36:54 pm
Newhaven to Dieppe  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:


Nice name Rich {-) {-)


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 04:22:16 pm
Newhaven to Dieppe  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:


Nice name Rich {-) {-)


Ned


You silly boy... ;D
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Post by: inertia on March 29, 2015, 04:50:07 pm
"Bryan"?  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 29, 2015, 04:53:59 pm
Thought Bryan was a "very naughty boy"

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 29, 2015, 05:01:19 pm
Just googled motorfloater and apparently Bryan was a lucky lucky boy

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Fastfaz on March 29, 2015, 05:53:36 pm
  Hi Rich,
     Re the lady's name careful think tattoo's. I got told off on the forum for mentioning Terry Pratchets Mathematician from Pyramids by his real name (Terry's choice not mine) You B*****d, I had to re read the chapter twice until it clicked. Age hey! Last thing you want is to offend SWMBO. Good choice with the stern she looks much better without the tyre you even have me thinking of building a Springer at some point, you never know.
       Cheers,
           Peter.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 29, 2015, 07:55:25 pm
No, you numpties! THIS Bryan...............
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 29, 2015, 09:23:59 pm
I remain speechless...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 29, 2015, 10:38:26 pm
 Well.
        seein as every one thinks it looks like a floating brick..dont supose you could call it the Sussex Siren or is that name reserved for the barge.  {-) {-)
 
frank 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 30, 2015, 07:40:09 am
Hi,

Or painting a brick design all over it!

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 07:57:20 am
Ooh, you lot are rotten to my Motorflote...


I'm thinking of honouring the old Steppenwolf track from the film 'Easy Rider'...you all know the one...The Pusherman.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on March 30, 2015, 10:22:02 am
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/07/0719a559ad2fb1f7121b4cc5a5d80046d1ba5f11d8e94ce28435d3bb3e7362b6.jpg)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 10:25:13 am
Yes Andy..thank you Andy...rotten so n' so.  ;D


For the third time, I am speechless...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 11:28:48 am
A variation on the Motorflote, maybe...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 02:20:45 pm
George checking over the newly installed grab rail and foot step to allow him safe access to the engine cover box, and also the newly redesigned exhaust stack.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 30, 2015, 02:37:06 pm
Hi,

With all apologies for copying your photo without asking.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 30, 2015, 03:12:12 pm
Hi,

With all apologies for copying your photo without asking.

Regards

 %% %% %% %% %% %%

Richard,
Gorgeous George is gonna need some
heat resistant gloves in case he touches
the unlagged exhaust stack >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
(Floating Brick H & S directive 34567890/765/2015)

Ned

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 04:25:28 pm
What...what on earth is happening? Martin...ban him..ban that Mr Rickles!  >>:-(  He's got an unhealthy obsession with bricks...


Hang on Ned, I have the heat cover made ready to install, but it can't be fitted just yet...patience old chap, hold tight.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Now..where was I? Oh yes...pusher knees are fitted, just the rubber strip to fit once they are painted. All the handrails are now fitted, apart from the one around the cab front, and that I can't do until later. Fuel fillers are fitted as well...painting time is rapidly approaching.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on March 30, 2015, 04:30:08 pm
Painting...ah yes Brick Red  of course %)  yeah yeah I can hear the groans from up here !
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 04:43:09 pm
Grrrrr.... <*<
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 30, 2015, 04:53:15 pm
Lot of risk involved in basin trials Rich.
Are you Bricking It?  %% %%


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 30, 2015, 05:24:23 pm
The [/size]pontoon effect[/color][/size] refers to the tendency of a vessel whose flotation depends on lateral [/color][/size]pontoons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_(boat))[/color][/size] to [/color][/size]capsize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsize)[/color][/size] without warning when a lateral force is applied. The effect can be sudden and dramatic because the vessel is stable and self-righting as greater lateral force is applied, up to the point that the pontoon(s) on one side of the vessel are completely submerged. At this point, stability suddenly disappears and the vessel rapidly capsizes.[/color][/size][1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_effect#cite_note-1)[/font][/size]


Watch out for lateral forces Rich %% %%


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2015, 06:07:21 pm
So...it's a case of "keep the force close by" I take it?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on March 30, 2015, 08:17:43 pm
Hi,

With all apologies for copying your photo without asking.

Regards

Well Rich, now you can say it really is built like a "Brick S..t House".... {-) {-) {-)
 
 frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on March 30, 2015, 10:42:38 pm
In that case we have a possible name ..."Lady Sloanley" :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on March 31, 2015, 08:30:37 am
Hi all,

This must be one of the best Threads for a while.

Love the Brick comments.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on March 31, 2015, 08:45:06 am
I've already mentioned to Rich in private that George's pose in the photo (reply #340) would imply an immediate need to visit such an establishment. He looks as if last night's Bangalore Phaal has just come back to haunt him. Don't forget the Vacant/Engaged lock on the door, Uggett.
DM  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 31, 2015, 09:22:23 am
Evil...you lot are evil. Poor old George, he don't know which way is up any longer. There's not room on the deck for even a Porta Pottie, so it's a case of hanging his lower parts over the side, and hoping the wind blows in the right direction.   :o



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 31, 2015, 10:47:58 am
First coat of primer on earlier this morning...blimey, that stuff stinks to high heaven. The whole flat smells like an auto body repair shop...no chance of a 'romantic interlude' this evening... <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 02, 2015, 02:39:13 am
Ooh, you lot are rotten to my Motorflote...


I'm thinking of honouring the old Steppenwolf track from the film 'Easy Rider'...you all know the one...The Pusherman.
Hmmm..!! not sure about the name "The Pusherman"George might get pulled over by the wasserpolizei thinking he`s a drug smuggler.  {-)  {-)
Don`t think  George would like to be frisked by the polis with the rubber glove looking for the Hash Stash.  ;D ;D  .... he might then really need a day glo- orange boiler suit.. {-)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 08:22:38 am
Frank...that is so wrong   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 08:25:27 am
Now chaps..your advice please.


I want to fit a heat shield to the exhaust stack, but I'm having trouble. All I can come up with is a piece of alloy mesh over the pipe, but I'm not happy with how it looks...so, it's over to you. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on April 02, 2015, 08:56:39 am
Something like this perhaps?

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Fastfaz on April 02, 2015, 08:58:24 am
  Hi Rich,
       How about some fine plastic mesh such as the suppliers put around onions veg etc. Hope this helps.
                Regards, Peter.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 09:05:25 am
Rickles, old chap...can you imagine drilling all those holes in a piece of plastic tube or sheet?  Do you want to drive me mad?   %) 


Peter...I know the stuff you mean. Maybe strengthen it up with a coating of cyano?


Actually Rickles, you have given me the germ of an idea. Somewhere in the depths of my cupboard I have a piece of an old brass etched deck from an old Type V11 U boat...hmm...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: mrturbo553 on April 02, 2015, 09:59:48 am
Rich what about these ?
Howard the owner is a really nice guy to deal with
http://www.kitformservices.com/photoetch.html
Aid
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: boat captain on April 02, 2015, 10:52:53 am
Why not wrap string around it paint it white to simulate rope type pipe lagging.

 :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 11:00:42 am
Aid...that the sort of thing, but they are too small, which is a shame. Unless I could combine two of them...


BC...yes, I see your idea, like the steam boys use to lag their pipework with. I suppose with the 'Flote being a real utility vessel, a fancy heat shield wouldn't be used, so maybe lagging would be an idea. I shall retreat to my bench and see what I can come up with....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on April 02, 2015, 01:15:15 pm
I seem to remember someone using part of a lady`s hair curler for an exhaust heat shield , don't know what type.   Ask the lady of the house.   BTW that military armour site has some lovely stuff, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 02, 2015, 01:42:48 pm
Hi Rich.
 have you got any scrap aerials.  A piece cut off one of them would give you a section of chromed tube sleve. 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 01:50:44 pm
The possibilities are growing, it seems...car aerials, now I like that Frank. Might have to have a stroll later on...  8) 
Hair curlers...hmm, I think I may be in trouble if I attack hers.  <*<


Ian(IanPAL)has something he's bringing over, something he 'borrowed' out of someone's greenhouse, part of an irrigation system...he thinks that may be ideal. As they say in all the best places...''watch this space''
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 02, 2015, 03:06:44 pm
First coat of primer on earlier this morning...blimey, that stuff stinks to high heaven. The whole flat smells like an auto body repair shop...no chance of a 'romantic interlude' this evening... <:(

Are you sure it was'nt the vindaloo from George - he definitely looked like he was pebbledashing something.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 02, 2015, 05:29:54 pm
"shakes head in disbelief..."
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on April 03, 2015, 09:09:12 am
Hi,

No, not driving you mad but getting you thinking.

Hope you find a good alternative.

Does the guard have to be all the way around the pipe?

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on April 03, 2015, 09:15:08 am
Sorry, I pressed the wrong button trying to add a photo.   Attached photo.Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 03, 2015, 10:05:33 am
 {-), I used to work for a truck manufacturer, and the silencer usually made the best heat shield when running up the side of the cabs, some were solid, slotted or perforated, I was surprised when I saw a program and it showed the US version and as usual it was massively bigger than the UK trucks so it seems the best idea is to go what you believe looks right

now for the head shaker

just as the  preverbial saying, 'when **** hits the fan', any guard will do if it stops Georges discharges hitting that hot pipe - THEN it will stink.  {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 03, 2015, 10:16:14 am
I'm pretty sure that an old tub like a 'Flote wouldn't be having a fancy chrome heat shield, unless George customises it and makes it into  a Motorflote GT...so this is what I'm going for. I think I mentioned earlier that Ian 'liberated' it from a greenhouse he just happened to passing...as you do. It's plastic and it's perforated, so I plan to try and put a dent or two in it, spray it black, then it will have a sticker stating ''Caution--Hot'' on it.


And no, Mr Warspite sir..GT does not stand for 'George's T**D'... %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 03, 2015, 10:25:28 am
 {-) {-), we can stop the toilet humour now  :-)), now where were we on Bricks O0 ;D :P
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 03, 2015, 10:31:55 am
I'm now going to sit in the corner and cry... <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 03, 2015, 03:57:36 pm
Well Rich.
 If George is going to have a GT vessel he`s going to need some of these.
 http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Viper-Stripes-Direct/Pin-Go-Faster-Stripes-10m-/_i.html?_fsub=1636222018 (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Viper-Stripes-Direct/Pin-Go-Faster-Stripes-10m-/_i.html?_fsub=1636222018)     {-) {-)
quote
 {-) {-) , we can stop the toilet humour now  :-)) , Naw ! so is the heat shield for protection from Hot Gasses... ;D

 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 03, 2015, 04:13:36 pm
Room for a loo for the vinda Rich.
Turn George's seat into a commode. {:-{
George Will then be a Commodore  %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 03, 2015, 05:33:43 pm
Oh gawd...Martin/Ken...help me!!!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 03, 2015, 08:31:20 pm

All very entertaining, Richard.    :}

Considering it hasn't been launched yet, it's our biggest and most entertaining blog this year.

                              {-)

ken
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on April 03, 2015, 08:36:39 pm
Yeah ...we don`t even know if it is going to sink like a.........oh never mind :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 03, 2015, 08:41:28 pm

and onwards to page 17.            %)

ken
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 03, 2015, 11:30:11 pm
were all getting 'flushed with sucess'  :D {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 04, 2015, 01:32:34 am
 My Word, George must have been really working his sox off lately and to have his efforts noticed by their Lordships so early in his
career as to be promoted from "Roger the Cabin Boy" to Commodore..  is quite something.. {-) {-)

 Do you think after a few "wets" to celebrate his promotion George might give us verse of that well known sea shanty 3 times a lady by Commodore Lionel Rich Tea.. {-)

 Btw Rich now George has been promoted you will have to get the "Bunting "To55er"" to hoist the Commodores pennant as shown below.

 Unfortunately it only has one ball as per ditty about a little German Corporal, so maybe we should go and see Albert Hall who apparently has a spare one... {-) 
 
frank
  (http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj138/farticus1/gbcdr.jpg_zpsegqgj985.gif)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on April 04, 2015, 09:04:07 am
Hi,

Could someone please shoot Netleyned?

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 09:09:07 am
There will be no rogering of George...the very thought of it! Anyway, it's illegal... %)


We do have a nice flag to hoist at the opportune moment...trouble is, we don't have a flagpole.  :embarrassed:


Now...thanks to Ian, the heat shield material was duly delivered last night. It's funny stuff to cut, it crumbles if you're not careful, but I did manage to get a piece out of it which is just about long enough.


I'm happy with the end result, so as soon as I know the good lady's ETA, I can recommence spraying (she refused to enter the bedroom after my last spraying session...I don't blame her, it did stink the place out)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 09:15:01 am
Hi,

Could someone please shoot Netleyned?

Regards


You can't do that, I'm a protected species.
There's not many of us left and we all wear body armour  8) 8) 8)


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 09:17:27 am
Don't tell me...you live on an SS1.  :o
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 09:21:59 am
SSI ??   %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%


Did your lorries never take you to Grimsby or Mingingham Rich ?


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2015, 09:22:09 am
That is a SSSI.    >:-o
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 09:24:42 am
Been to Grimsby a few times Ned....don't remember going to Immingham though. Mind you, I can't remember what I had for breakfast nowadays..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 09:25:16 am
Oh...missed an S off my previous post.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on April 04, 2015, 10:25:44 am
No-one who's ever been to Immingham wants to remember it. I spent a whole week there one afternoon...............
DM
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 11:27:08 am
Made a start on glazing the cabin, not sure if it will show up in the pictures. George insisted on having a window open, something about choking fumes in the cabin...not sure I know what he means.


The glazing panels slot into place behind the wiring conduit, so no need to glue them in, and no unsightly glue on show when you look through the windows.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: richald on April 04, 2015, 12:55:20 pm
If George has been using his commode it's a definite that he'll need to open a window! %)

Richard
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 01:00:25 pm
Yes Richard, thank you Richard...


Infamy, infamy...they've all got it in for me   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 01:21:27 pm
Hope the lady doesn't get any romantic ideas today, I've just sprayed the cabin...the bedroom stinks of paint fumes now.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 04, 2015, 02:06:58 pm
the window being open and the roof vent open as well - what are you feeding him ?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 02:08:40 pm
You best ask Chief Chef Dave Milbourn...I couldn't even pronounce it, let alone spell it.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on April 04, 2015, 04:10:03 pm
It's a Bangalore Phaal - pronounced "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-aaaaaaaaaaaaarl."

It is, I understand, a curry concoction of such fiery intensity that you could heat rivets by holding them about a foot above the cooking pot. Any closer and they would melt.  O0

If you can remember what happened to the Nasties who opened the Ark of the Covenant at the climax of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" then you'll get a pretty good idea of the effect of a Phaal upon a normal human body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APF3SO9tq (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APF3SO9tqE)   :o

Recommended only for rugby players and those annoying relatives who turn up unannounced, expecting to be fed ("I know! Let's get an Indian takeaway!").  8)

DM
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 04:21:11 pm
Don't forget Rich
BBCOne 1700

Motorflotes are GO.  %% %%  %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 04:23:21 pm
DM...is that the same stuff that Top Fuel dragsters run on? The noise sort of sounds familiar...


Ned...what you on about?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 04:44:53 pm
Sorry Rich
Thought George was on loan from International Rescue
with his afterburner trousers.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Big Ada on April 04, 2015, 04:58:13 pm
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hairdressing+rollers&biw=1239&bih=616&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dgkgVbyKKcPl7gbznoCQDw&ved=0CDQQ7Ak

You seem to have sorted the Exhaust Lagging, but one of these would have done.

Len.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 05:02:39 pm
Cough...splutter...are you suggesting that I use a pink hair roller, Len? Good grief man...go and sit on the naughty step this instant!

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 05:13:25 pm
Right then...I have finally sorted the exhaust heat shield. Apologies to Ian, but that piece of plastic tube just didn't look right, so it's back to the good old alloy mesh and a very thin strip of masking tape, soaked in cyano. Three whole turns of the mesh round the pipe..a lot of swearing and trying to unattach my fingers from the masking tape..and I'm finally happy with the results.


Just a coat of paint needed, and remake the exhaust support bracket and we're done.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 05:21:09 pm
That's a lot better Rich :-)
It matches the exhaust grille
behind the commode {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 04, 2015, 05:40:52 pm
Ned...tell me, what tobacco do you smoke? It's not that stuff that people grow in their spare rooms, is it... %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 04, 2015, 06:08:22 pm
Over ten years since I smoked Rich.
Never tried owt exotic.
A few pints of real ale does it for me.
Old Speckled Hen  usually. ( Other ales are available)
Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 05, 2015, 01:33:21 am
Rich, why dont you put the painted item in the bathroom and open the window to let the fumes out, at least it gets the smell out of the
 Love shack.. {-)  and get the air freshner out, B4 lady friend turns up  and any lingering odours you can blame it on the cat.. O0
 And you need to stop all this scent marking your territory by Spraying.. {-) {-) {-)  don`t want her to think your a skunk...
 
frank 
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on April 07, 2015, 11:33:10 pm
doesn't seem like u-33 is speechless any more   {-) , looks like hes given up posting because of all the ribbing george and the boat is getting  {-) , everything is in jest - its just a fart flash in the pan stuff, hows things going  :}
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 08, 2015, 09:49:55 am
 Hes probably fastidiously applying the Brick pattern paint scheme {-) {-)   or hes gone orff for a few days wll earned Easter break.
 
 frank 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 08, 2015, 10:57:26 am
Fear not, Motorflote fans...all is well, I just got sort of sidetracked by the good lady over the Easter period (  ;D  know what I mean? )


Despite her best efforts to find other things for me to do (  :kiss:  ) I did manage to get all the cab glazing panels cut out and framed up ready to drop in, and the control panel is completed.


Normal service will soon resume...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 08, 2015, 11:08:03 am
Hope you had young George's eyes covered whilst your good lady was "Sidetracking" You  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
We don't want him forgetting the Colregs when he eventually get waterborne.




Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 08, 2015, 11:13:58 am
Oh yes, Ned...George was tucked away in the box of Motorflote bits under the workbench. He's far too young to get involved with that sort of thing...


And I'm too old for it...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 14, 2015, 07:58:20 am
Eat your heart out Rich  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:






With acknowledgement to Krishna


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 14, 2015, 01:45:28 pm
Eat your heart out Rich  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

Why..????   two totally different boats Ned  and no  banter about bricks.. O0
 
frank


Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 14, 2015, 02:25:24 pm

Is this you U-33?

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L2MZxwyfC2I/VSrgn8ld9kI/AAAAAAAAIv0/dP1jkhUJ6vs/w347-h195-no/Coalville2015_-474.jpg)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 14, 2015, 03:24:43 pm

I wish my hair was that long....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on April 14, 2015, 03:32:58 pm
Re "no  banter about bricks"

That small boat is no brick...

more like a pebble!.

Seriously though I did enjoy the you tube clip.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 15, 2015, 02:06:46 am
Why..????   two totally different boats Ned  and no  banter about bricks.. O0
 
frank

 Should have also mentioned two different skill sets.  Rich does what his health allows and with his sidekick George has entertained us royally this past few weeks.  And of Krishna whos ingenuity and technical knowledge is on a different level from rest of us.  :-))   
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 15, 2015, 02:17:04 am
I wish my hair was that long....

 Rich.
  If your hair was that long might mistake you for singer Conchita  {-) {-)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 15, 2015, 07:44:21 am
Frank,
I wasn't commenting on Rich's skills as a modeller, but I thought he would like one.
I am well aware of the limitations that his condition imposes and was not implying he should build one
himself.


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 15, 2015, 07:49:44 am
Morning gentlemen...fear not, I couldn't see to build anything that small!


I apologise for the lack of updates on the Motorflote, I suddenly realised that the Norwich Sub Weekend is getting closer very rapidly, so I've been working on X9 to get her finished and operational by July.


I'll be back on the 'Flote as soon as X9 is mission ready, panic ye not.


Thanks for the continued support guys, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 15, 2015, 08:27:10 am
Must be the long hair getting in your eyes Rich  %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Jon on April 15, 2015, 10:41:17 pm
Wow this thread has exploded since I last checked, UhHum...that may have been some time ago  {:-{ .
I started building a motorflote back when I was a kid shortly after the plans were in Model Boats magazine.
But unfortunately i never finished it...  :((
I have however started again last year, and am making good progress.
I'm bigger now, so thought I'd make the tug bigger too, so I blown it up slightly (1.5x)
I will start a build blog at some point, but have just restarted the project now the evenings are warmer.
Just working on the hull, specifically the skids at present.
I have the nozzle done, and have just modified the hull (reluctantly), so it may have some aft thrust.
But here is a basic shot of it so far.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5915667/Model%20Photos/MF-hull.jpg)

It's made of 1/4 & 1/8 ply with spruce batons. But I'll get some more photos up on my own thread shortly.
Nice to see some other interest in the Motorflote as there is not a lot out there about it.
Jon

 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...part 2
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 12:21:15 pm
Right, here we go again...the infamous Motorflote, part 2.


Started on the fitting out of the cab interior, and with that done, I glued the front panel into place. George insisted on helping, although he wasn't tall enough, so I had to find something for him to stand on.


Quick spray job of the front panel in a bit, then I can drop the window glazing panels into position.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 12:28:52 pm
Just noticed the post above mine...well done, Jon, and welcome to the Motorflote owners club.  :-))
My first one was double size, and proved to be  a right handful...it had a mind of it's own. I notice you've modified the stern...mine turned perfectly (when it decided to obey a tx command) without any modification.  It remains to be seen how this one behaves when it's let loose in the water.


I really ought to get my skids made up, I guess...Andy ('tattooed' on here) sent me a huge bundle of various wire last week, so there's no excuse for not doing them. Thanks Andy, much appreciated, my friend...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 01:05:38 pm
Perishin' seagulls get everywhere...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 04:44:23 pm
Steven Seagull has finally found a nice comfortable place to perch himself and watch the world go by...and share George's sandwiches.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 18, 2015, 04:49:39 pm
But of an odd Molly there Rich
Molly's normally stand with legs at 90 degrees to the body.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 05:14:42 pm
Ah, this is a Sussex version, Ned...cross between a seagull and a parrot.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on April 18, 2015, 05:24:57 pm
Got it {-)
When we were wreck sweeping off the Sausage Coast
Working out of New haven, we had a tide gauge on the
pier at Eastbourne and there were a few odd shaped birds
seen around the piano bar on the pier.


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 05:26:44 pm
We specialise in them down here... ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: tattooed on April 18, 2015, 07:11:57 pm
looking good mate :-))  the carrying box is all made for it i'll put some other goodies in it before i put it in the post
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 10:18:29 pm
Apologies for the delay in answering you, mate...I was...how can I put it...distracted?  Thanks mate, you're a true star...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on April 18, 2015, 10:28:44 pm
So Come on for goodness sake lets see it in the water ....well the test tank at least   :-))
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 18, 2015, 11:52:59 pm
Patience, my good fellow...patience.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 19, 2015, 12:10:17 pm

More progress on the 'Flote...front cab panel sprayed and fitted. Next up is to fit the glazing panels into the window openings, install the lights, and then the cabin roof.

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: derekwarner on April 19, 2015, 11:21:38 pm
Steven appears rather quiet this morning [and motionless] U-33  :o...has he eaten all of Georges sangas?  >>:-(.....................

Just a thought...if the bird has been hanging around those Piano Bars for too long it may be an it  %)...or even a Stephannie it :kiss: :kiss:........Derek
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: essex2visuvesi on April 19, 2015, 11:46:30 pm

Reminds me of this advert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dde2pP_Lgg

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 20, 2015, 04:55:11 am
Steven appears rather quiet this morning [and motionless] U-33  :o ...has he eaten all of Georges sangas?  >>:-( .....................


If Steven has ate all Georges butties does that mean we are gonna have a "PoopDeck".. {-) {-)  or is that what the barrel is for.
 frank
 
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 20, 2015, 09:26:26 am
I think Steven may be getting some company later on...he's lonely there all on his own.   <:(


George is quite happy, he's got the window panels fitted in his cabin at last...although the builders yard did make a bit of a cock with the lighting conduit, so I'm having to redo that...much to my annoyance.  >>:-(


Now for the roof panel and the handrail around the front of the cabin.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on April 20, 2015, 01:27:33 pm
Well now I see George in the driving seat, all it neeeds now is a coat of blue paint and a light on the roof and it will  go whizzzing through time and space... {-) {-) {-)
 
 Frank   
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 25, 2015, 10:22:40 am
Just a quick update on the 'Flote...it's on the back burner for a while, I must get X9 finished and operational for the Norwich Sub Weekend before I continue with it.


But fear not gentlemen, once the X craft is patrol ready, I'll be finishing the Motorflote. As they say in all the best places...''watch this space''.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 16, 2015, 02:41:33 pm
Ok, Motorflote fans, you've been waiting patiently for this, so here it is....today she got her bum wet for the first time. She's been sat in the bath for over an hour, and I'm pleased to report that she hasn't taken on a drop of water. I did try a brief motive power test, but the batteries need a charge, but she is more than capable of completing a full 360 degree turn in the bath without touching the sides.


What has really surprised me is the amount of weight she's going to need to get her down to the plan water line...she floats well above the water line, so I'm thinking of swapping the battery packs for bigger capacity ones, maybe even putting in a couple of those long gel cells, one each side.


And so..when she's dried off, I'll take a look at getting some more weight into her. But I'm well happy that she floats, and floats dry.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 19, 2015, 04:10:50 pm
The end is in sight...roof fitted, nav lights on, George is in residence and already feeding the seagull...I need to make a 1/12th scale slice of bread yet.


Rope locker is made, just needs painting. Roof mounted searchlight to do, horns to fit, and a bit more painting to finish off. That's tomorrow's work organised...



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 19, 2015, 04:16:12 pm
Don't forget the boards for the nav lights {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 19, 2015, 04:20:56 pm
Fear not Ned...all made, and will be painted and fitted tomorrow.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 19, 2015, 04:28:27 pm
I would expect nothing less from a man of your colibri  %)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 19, 2015, 04:31:44 pm
Well, thank you sir...it's a Zippo, but near enough.  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 19, 2015, 05:10:11 pm
Made in Bradford Pennsylvania I hope
With a lifetime warranty apart from the
finish.  :-)) :-))

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 19, 2015, 05:17:05 pm
Umm...err...it says 'Made in China' on the bottom.   :embarrassed:


Well, it's on the way to the US of A , I guess...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 19, 2015, 05:20:24 pm
Umm...err...it says 'Made in China' on the bottom.   :embarrassed:


Well, it's on the way to the US of A , I guess...


Yeah, The scenic route  :D

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 27, 2015, 10:02:15 pm
The MotorFlote is now virtually complete...I just have to fit the skids (made today) and tone down the initial weathering application, and finish off a few small spots of painting, and we're done.


As soon as the new car arrives, I can get it in the water for initial tests.



Photos tomorrow morning...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 28, 2015, 08:09:16 am



As soon as the new car arrives, I can get it in the water for initial tests.



Photos tomorrow morning...




An Amphicar methinks  %% %% %% %%


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 28, 2015, 08:22:05 am



An Amphicar methinks  %% %% %% %%


Ned


Ah..yes..well...a slight case of letting the Bells do the typing.  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on May 28, 2015, 09:47:54 am
Maybe Rich is getting one of these.

http://www.gibbssports.com/

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10784296

or maybe this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcz-Sm2fUq4

 %) :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 28, 2015, 10:57:38 am
Err...not sure if Motability would let me have one of those....
Title: The end...
Post by: U-33 on May 28, 2015, 01:19:18 pm
Well, boys n' girls...to all intents and purposes, the Motorflote is now completed, just a few little paint touch ups here and there to finish off. Note the new exhaust stack, skids now fitted as well...there is one more seagull coming from Martin at Macs Mouldings, that one will be going on the cab roof, positioned to grab a chunk of George's sandwich, but apart from that...she's done.

Thanks to everyone on here who contributed valuable advice, comments and criticisms when I asked, and especially for all the humour during the build.

Special thanks to Netley Ned, IanPAL, Tattooed, Martin and Kenny for putting up with me, Macs Mouldings, Dave @ Action, and of course...Andy and Debbie at MBD for cutting the kit out for me.

Thanks to you all...I wouldn't have completed it without you.

Oh, one more thing...George says to say 'Thank You' for making him a celebrity, autographs will be available later.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 28, 2015, 01:24:13 pm
Forgot one pic... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 28, 2015, 03:25:22 pm
Congratulations Richard :-))
A job well jobbed :-))
Just hope the wet stuff is kind to George
and her maiden voyage is not a maiden over. :embarrassed:
Don't see any Bells sponsorship decals {-) {-) {-)

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on May 28, 2015, 03:28:16 pm
Hi,

That has been one massive build with a lot of funny comments along the way.

But the finished model is a credit to you.

Well done Sir

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 28, 2015, 04:19:07 pm
Thank you gents...it's been fun, believe it or not. I reckon it would make a good book...or a film. There again..maybe not.  ;D


I keep looking at that weathering I've done though, I'm not happy with it...I feel a redoing coming on...needs toning down, I think.


Ned...George did insist on having a Union Jack sticker on the cab front. He doesn't drink Bells...foolish fellow.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on May 29, 2015, 01:40:36 am
 Hi Rich
RE: Oh, one more thing...George says to say 'Thank You' for making him a celebrity, autographs will be available later.
Maybe George and Steven should ave their own "Face book" page to  record their adventures on.. O0
 
Frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on May 29, 2015, 02:04:26 am
Love your wee tug, magic.
Maybe you could manage one of these, for the Motorflote.
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 29, 2015, 08:00:09 am
Hi Rich
RE: Oh, one more thing...George says to say 'Thank You' for making him a celebrity, autographs will be available later.
Maybe George and Steven should ave their own "Face book" page to  record their adventures on.. O0
 
Frank


''The adventures of George and Steven''...that would make a good book title, Frank..   %)


VNK...are you trying to give me ideas?   :o
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on May 29, 2015, 10:44:56 am
Who  :o , me  %)

 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 08:03:43 am
Perishin' seagulls...now it's nicked George's sandwich.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 01:39:01 pm

Steven's cousin (Simon) has just flown in after hearing rumours that George's sandwiches were quite tasty...






Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Danny on May 30, 2015, 03:44:11 pm
If George is so keen on feeding the seagulls, you will have to "weather" with some runny white splodges!  %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 03:55:25 pm
One step ahead, Danny...seagull guano applied.   ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on May 30, 2015, 04:06:21 pm
you been over feedin' them seagulls, man
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 04:15:54 pm
Must be the cheese in George's sandwiches...it does the same to me.   <:(
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 30, 2015, 04:23:03 pm
One step ahead, Danny...seagull guano applied.   ;D


Is there a Humbrol code for that %% %%


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 04:28:16 pm
I think it's Poo1, Ned...  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on May 30, 2015, 08:29:01 pm
I think that weathering and seagull poop is fantastic....... :-))  Don't be too critical of yourself, I wish I was that good. Well done...... U2
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 30, 2015, 09:01:35 pm
Well, thank you indeed, kind sir..very gracious of you to say so.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on May 31, 2015, 09:33:14 am
Hi,

What is the longest post ever on MBM?
I see this one is on Page 20.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 31, 2015, 12:35:22 pm
Now the MotorFlote is about finished, it's been decided that it really needs something to push around the lake.

One of Chris Peppitt (https://www.facebook.com/chris.peppitt.7)'s (Omega Model Boats) superbly moulded Thames lighter hulls will fit the bill perfectly.


1mm styrene deck, false load area loaded up with timber (a stack of coffee stirrers) and bottles of water as ballast...the shipyard is busy again.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 01, 2015, 12:55:21 pm
Chaps, a spot of advice if you please...


Would there be anything attached to the top of the pusher knees...something like half a bollard on each one, or a connecting rod of some sort? Something to loop the rope around, keep it ready for use, and to stop George tripping over it and falling base over apex into the H20....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 01, 2015, 03:45:11 pm
Now the MotorFlote is about finished, it's been decided that it really needs something to push around the lake.

One of Chris Peppitt (https://www.facebook.com/chris.peppitt.7)'s (Omega Model Boats) superbly moulded Thames lighter hulls will fit the bill perfectly.


1mm styrene deck, false load area loaded up with timber (a stack of coffee stirrers) and bottles of water as ballast...the shipyard is busy again.
Thats not a barge - it georges bath tub
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 01, 2015, 03:47:37 pm
He'd be in that, splashing and bubbling about to his heart's content...



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 01, 2015, 03:52:19 pm
I've added a bit more detailing to the 'Flote this morning...George now has a set of welding gear to play with (gawd help us all....), and a nice shiny new boathook as well.



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Andyn on June 01, 2015, 10:07:19 pm
About time you built this thing Rich, 6 years is plenty enough time to go talking about it.. Looks great


At least if it don't run, you'll have somewhere to keep your sandwiches {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 09, 2015, 12:23:57 pm
A question was raised in the house last night...


When the lighter is built, and the Motorflote is hooked up and pushing it, what happens if an accident occurs, and through some reason the lighter floods and sinks...the weight of it full of water is likely to drag the 'Flote down with it. So, any ideas as to how to avoid a potential disaster?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on June 09, 2015, 12:31:58 pm
You fill all open space within the lighter with polystyrene foam, (solid, beads or beans would work) hence non-sink.
 %)
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 09, 2015, 12:35:29 pm
I'd thought about doing that, VNK...maybe blue foam carved to shape and bonded into the bow/stern areas would do the job.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on June 09, 2015, 12:44:25 pm
should do. The more foam and less voids, (ie water in) that you can get in, the more bouyant it will be.
Easy to test, in the official indoor test tank.
You don't really want anywhere that water can fill into, (apart from the false hold).
cheers
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: inertia on June 09, 2015, 01:39:53 pm
I know! Just make it......................LIGHTER!!!!!!!!!!   {-)

(Sorry - two of the great-grandkids are here and I've suddenly lapsed into Chuckle Brothers mode)

DM
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 09, 2015, 02:17:22 pm
Sounds of loud groans from deepest Sussex... ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 09, 2015, 03:46:59 pm
ArrrHHH, I see George has found a use for the excess gas he produces - errr - how does he get it in the cyclinders? %) %) %) %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on June 09, 2015, 03:47:40 pm
Hi,

I can supply plenty of .303 ammo if someone could shoot him...  <*<

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 09, 2015, 03:51:01 pm
Moi, why ever would you want to do that  %) %) %) %) %) %) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 09, 2015, 03:52:55 pm
George is innocent...he wasn't there, nobody saw him, and you can't prove a thing   :police:
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: vnkiwi on June 09, 2015, 04:58:02 pm
Just watch that Steven, he could turn states evidence if he don't get enough sandwiches. <*< :police:
 %)
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: SteveB66 on June 09, 2015, 05:26:30 pm
Just joined this forum and spent a hour reading this. Well done to all the cast, great read and well done U33. Great looking boat, got any videos of it on the wet stuff??
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 09, 2015, 05:43:06 pm
Well, thank you kindly, Steve...kind of you to say so.


It's been a fun build from start to finish, there was a few swear words along the way, but the craic on here more than made up for them.


I haven't used it in anger yet, I keep finding little things to do on it, but next week my new car should arrive, so I can get out there and complete the maiden voyage. I'll take plenty of video footage along the way, so fear not. As they say in all the best places...''watch this space''.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 10, 2015, 02:06:13 pm
Last little bits of detailing going on..


A pile of timber...very useful for doing 'stuff'.
George's box filled with 'stuff'.



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 10, 2015, 03:01:21 pm
has George got a snorkel, just for when it turns turtle due to all the additional top weight
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 10, 2015, 03:06:01 pm
Fear not, there's so much weight in the side tunnels, it'll never fall over in a month of Sundays. Battery packs each side, two lead blocks in each tunnel, and two lengths of steel bar either side of the motor, right on the bottom of the floor.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: bill stafford on June 13, 2015, 07:19:30 am
hello gents,
I built this tug yrs ago , when my shed burnt down,and I needed a simple design,as no tools, and i need the theorpy of the build , to smooth still frayed nerves
I never did get it to go right,and some unkind modellers called it the floating toilet!! not too my face !!
i never tried a 555 or better motors ,it was always under powered, w a slow reving telecom motor, only about 1000/1500rpm


what ,  i wanted too do was fit a barge on the front, w the larger battery in the barge, I had photos of a cat pontoon dredge to carry the battery,a small dredge.
also , has any-one though of building the original mother control tower , w 2 moto flotes on each side , all good food for thought, if this was done , the seperate flotes could be removable , or joined permanently to the mother control tower.
 if I can get time , i will re-build my original moto flote
regards bill S
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 13, 2015, 09:11:38 am
Another Motorflote man...excellent!


I'm building a Lighter for mine to push around, hadn't thought of building the control tower though. Could be interesting, although the lack of photos and information would make it hard work.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 13, 2015, 06:45:38 pm
A couple of magnets on the stern of the barge and a steel plate on the pusher pods on M'Flote or vice versa and
you have an easy coupling without the risk of one dragging
the other under.
You can then let the barge drift out and go and collect it with M'flote and everyone will think you are a Master Flote Mariner and worship your shiphandling skills.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 13, 2015, 10:59:28 pm
You've yet to see me in command of a tx, Ned... ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on June 14, 2015, 09:04:22 am
Hi,

Has anyone got a copy of the original magazine?

I am sure the picture of the main unit and smaller units where in it.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 14, 2015, 09:08:17 am
I have the original magazine, plan and build article...there is a photo of the main control unit, but it's only a small picture, doesn't show a lot of detail. I'll scan it in a minute and post it here...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: bill stafford on June 14, 2015, 09:10:55 am
gday rickles ,
 you are right, the original mag has a photo of the stern of the mother barge , showing the 2 moto flote drive units, but no details of OAL or beam , or what they carried
there was some discussion on 1 of the pages about deck lift plates , possible these were the hook up points for the mother ship??
 I should have the mag at home , but not the ability to post the photo
bill s
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 14, 2015, 09:16:34 am
Here we go, boys...



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on June 18, 2015, 12:18:02 pm
Rich
That top pic rather puts me in mind of the mexeflote..
 
http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/04/a-trip-down-mexeflote-lane/ (http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/04/a-trip-down-mexeflote-lane/)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 18, 2015, 12:22:44 pm
That looks like some interesting bedtime reading, Frank...thanks for that.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: richald on June 18, 2015, 12:53:26 pm
I'm waiting for "Motorflote - The Movie" to go on general release - I haven't missed it have I?

Seriously, love the build and all the comments.

Richard
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 18, 2015, 01:29:18 pm
No, you haven't missed it Richard...now I've got my new car and I'm mobile once more, I'm hoping to get the 'Flote on the lake this weekend. Video will be taken, both from the shore and onboard, so stand by....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Bob K on June 18, 2015, 01:33:02 pm
I have been following this avidly.  Can't wait to see how such a compact yet deep hull performs on the water.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 18, 2015, 01:38:28 pm
If it's anything like it's predecessor, it'll be slow, wandering off on it's own course, and bouncing about like a duck on acid  %) My first one refused to obey commands from the tx, and would happily trundle off across the lake going where it wanted to go. They really are comical things on their own the water, but when pushing something, they really come into their own.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 18, 2015, 01:42:26 pm
They all need something to push.
Mine was exactly the same without
a barge.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 18, 2015, 01:46:59 pm
The sooner Ian gets his massive great tanker finished, the better...I'm looking forward to pushing that thing about.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hmsantrim on June 18, 2015, 07:22:55 pm
RE:
Video will be taken, from the shore and onboard, so stand by "said director Rich"....5, 4, 3, 2, 1, cue the muzak.. Motorflotes are GO!!!... {-)
 
frank
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Mad Scientist on June 18, 2015, 11:51:09 pm
If it's anything like it's predecessor, it'll be slow, wandering off on it's own course, and bouncing about like a duck on acid  %) My first one refused to obey commands from the tx, and would happily trundle off across the lake going where it wanted to go. They really are comical things on their own the water, but when pushing something, they really come into their own.

A vessel type known as the Articulated Tug-Barge (ATB) is very popular in the U.S. coastal trades. Some of the tugs are almost unmanageable when not attached to their barges. - Tom
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on June 19, 2015, 10:23:48 am
Hi,

Motorflote - The Movie" / My life as an amphibious brick... {-)

Regards

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 19, 2015, 10:45:09 am
Hi,

Motorflote - The Movie" / My life as an amphibious brick... {-)

Regards


You silly, silly boy....  {-)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 19, 2015, 11:03:06 am
                                                                                                                                                             %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 19, 2015, 11:14:45 am
you're waiting for me  - go on admit it  {-) {-) {-) - got to come up with some title as yet - wait a while
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 19, 2015, 11:20:07 am
Waiting then....   :o
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 19, 2015, 05:00:54 pm
Air Sea Rescue
Starring
George Raft as George
Walter Pigeon as Seagull One
Anna Neagle as Seagull Two

 :D :D

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 19, 2015, 06:20:44 pm
Directed by...Steven Seagull   %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: richald on June 19, 2015, 07:32:33 pm
Oh dear - I seem to have started something here!. . . .
Good news is, I've got me popcorn ready, and I'll have an ice cream tub at halftime.

Richard
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: derekwarner on June 20, 2015, 02:08:56 am
Hey Rich........you know that I related to these guys don't you      O0.... Derek
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on June 22, 2015, 08:29:24 am
Hi,

Noticed this bird nesting box on the web.

So when one gets bored with sailing the Motorflote.......

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 22, 2015, 08:37:38 am
I don't think the seagulls would reckon much of having sparrows nesting in George's cabin... <*<


I was hoping to sail the 'Flote over the weekend, but with scale Force 10 waves on the lake and a six foot thick layer of algae in the water, I decided to abort the mission.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 22, 2015, 10:25:49 am
Sorry - without trawling the internet of films that will fit, the only one that seems appropriate
A BRICK TO FAR - i'll get my coat
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 22, 2015, 10:50:08 am
'Another brick in the wall....'?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 22, 2015, 12:25:34 pm
a remake of this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(film)), with george smoking pot - i mean potty :D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 22, 2015, 12:27:31 pm
ahhh - the brick of chucky inny (bride of chucky) - boy its getting warm with all these coats on - phew
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 22, 2015, 12:54:53 pm
We need a "shakes head in despair" smiley....

(http://spywarehammer.com/Smileys/default/11182.gif)

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/expressions/shaking-head-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: bill stafford on June 23, 2015, 03:54:49 pm
WoW how did we end up at the movies ?????????????????
i thought we were serious modellers LOL
all in good fun , but lets get back to rc and glue , i love sniffing the stuff LOL
as nothing better than the avo in the shed !!
bill s
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Post by: Tugtower on June 23, 2015, 03:57:03 pm
So where are these infamous photos?  <*<
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 23, 2015, 04:00:23 pm
WoW how did we end up at the movies ?????????????????
i thought we were serious modellers LOL
all in good fun , but lets get back to rc and glue , i love sniffing the stuff LOL
as nothing better than the avo in the shed !!
bill s

I have used AVO's of all kinds since 1959,
but was never inclined to sniff one  %% %% %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 23, 2015, 04:04:21 pm
So where are these infamous photos?  <*<


How many more do you want? There's loads of them in the build log...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Tugtower on June 23, 2015, 06:58:25 pm
naw,....


 I want ones with it in the water  %%
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 24, 2015, 03:41:41 pm
It become a feature on George Clarks amazing spaces - how to turn a Tardis into a smaller space than you had before  :}
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 24, 2015, 04:06:54 pm
I have it on good authority that a camera equipped submersible
is being readied ahead of the launch date to capture the final
throes.  %% %%

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 24, 2015, 04:24:55 pm
Oh ye of little faith...George and the mighty MotorFlote have been in training for the maiden voyage, due to take place this coming Sunday. Weather and algae permitting, of course...I drove past the lake on my way home from the dentist earlier today, and the water looked like thick pea soup. Not ideal conditions, you can see that horrible green stuff floating in the water...good for creating scale scum lines on the hull, but not good for sailing in.


But in order to satisfy you lot and your blood lust...if you behave yourselves, I'll take the 'Flote down to a local stream I know of, and give it a try out there.


Carry on...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: hollowhornbear on June 24, 2015, 04:44:55 pm
Just be careful it doesn't motorflote away......................
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Fastfaz on June 24, 2015, 05:05:32 pm
   Hi Rich,
         They can be really hurtful about the poor old motorfloat don't they realise that you have feelings! Show all the mockers that George rules the waves. Can't wait to see the antics on the water. This post has kept me highly amused from start to finish well done.
       Cheers,
            Faz. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on June 24, 2015, 06:23:37 pm
Once you get the Scum Line you will have the Waterline.
Hope it's not around the rooftop seagulls ankles  %%
If the stream is fast flowing Rich, don't forget the steering
characteristics of the M flote.
Don't gnash the new gnashers if things are not tickertyboo.

Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 25, 2015, 10:17:45 am
Green scum on the water - george will feel at home solving that time old senerio - oh wait, thats jon pertwee  %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on June 25, 2015, 12:16:58 pm
Fear not Ned, it's only a minor ditch really, very rarely does the water move...now and then a swan takes off and disturbs the water, but that's about it.


I'm thinking of fitting George out with a long scarf...and maybe he should have a young lady to accompany him on his travels.  :P


The new teeth are doing well so far, I managed to eat a slice of toast this morning, first time for a long time. And yes, I did save the seagulls a morsel...  %)


Ignore them Faz, for they know not what they do...  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on June 28, 2015, 06:08:29 pm
oh yes we do  :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on July 12, 2015, 09:21:10 pm
STILL waiting for Pics or a video of this getting it's self WET...Maybee it is a DRY DOCK TUG  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
 
 
Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on July 13, 2015, 11:24:47 am
Apologies Dave...our lake is horrible at the moment with the dreaded green stuff, there's no way I'm putting a boat into that green soup. Plus... COPD and hot weather don't go together, I haven't been able to breathe properly for a few days now, so what with the weather, the water and my lungs, I've hardly stuck my nose out of the door recently.


Sorry again, boys n' girls...once the weather changes, the water clears, and I can breathe, I'll be getting the 'Flote wet.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Ianlind on August 24, 2015, 07:57:53 am
G'day From downunder!

It's been a while since the last post here, but I only came across this log by accident, as it's not where I thought it would have been.

Anyway, I built one of these when it first came out in the magazine, and if my memory serves me correctly, it claimed you could knock one of these up in a weekend! The weekends we have here are only two days, and I couldn't build it that quickly! I guess if you are like Krishna you could do it in  a few hours, but it took me a lot longer than two days, all in 1/16th ply.

Like many have mentioned, it waddles like a duck when going ahead, but it will pretty much turn in it's own length. I run a small 12v motor off an electric car aerial and it performs quite well.

I haven't wet mine for a long time, but after reading this log, I've pulled it out ( the model that is ) and dusted it off and will get a pair of batteries and give it a run on 2.4Gig.

I hadn't done any superdetailing like U-33 has, but after seeing what he has done with his, he has encouraged me to add a few details. I actually sat down yesterday and soldered up a parallel arm wiper for starters. As this thing is about 1:12 scale, off the shelf items are not that commonly available. Can't find a figure like George so far!

I've really enjoyed this build, so you can add me to the list of Motorflote owners/operators.
I'm just a little concerned that the vent on the rear of the engine casing could let in water if it was a true vent, as these things bury their bums from time to time, and if green water comes over the stern, she might get a little wet inside!

Regards to all,
Ian.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on August 24, 2015, 01:42:03 pm
Good man yourself...George was an eBay purchase, he's actually Doctor Who. If you need one similar, let me know and I'll have a hunt for you.


Most of other bits (including the seagulls) are either from Martin @ Mac's Mouldings, or scratch built from odds n' ends that were laying about.


(Oh, and don't forget some pics of your 'Flote)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on August 24, 2015, 02:07:04 pm
WE NEED TO SEE IT WET come on now now no excuses you had plenty of time to get it off the mantelpiece ha ha


Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on August 24, 2015, 02:50:10 pm
Sorry Dave and everyone else, haven't been out much recently...my ladyfriend has been very ill (various female things which I know nothing about) so I've spent a fair bit of time looking after her. She's getting better slowly now, so I'm hoping to get the 'Flote wet soon.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 14, 2016, 05:55:00 pm
Well, boys n' girls....the MotorFlote made her maiden voyage today. My local club attended a fun day at a local pub on behalf of the RNLI, we only had a small pool to play in, but it was ideal for the 'Flote.


Apart from a drop of water coming up the prop shaft and a seagull abandoning ship, the outing was successful. Typical MotorFlote behaviour though, it goes where it wants to go, but as long as you're quick on the sticks, it does go in a reasonably straight line.



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on May 14, 2016, 06:09:37 pm
Nice to see MF in action Rich.
Ref the leak, are you sure George
hadn't had a leak if he had been near those barrels
on the quayside %)
Hope Lori is in better health now.


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Stavros on May 14, 2016, 09:36:28 pm
WEY HEY looking good there Richard


Dave
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 14, 2016, 09:44:11 pm
Thanks guys...took a while to get wet, but it was worth it in the end. I've a pile of photos taken today, I'll post some more up in the morning.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 15, 2016, 08:58:54 am
Few more pics from yesterday...

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 15, 2016, 09:16:15 am
Nice to see MF in action Rich.
Ref the leak, are you sure George
hadn't had a leak if he had been near those barrels
on the quayside %)
Hope Lori is in better health now.


Ned


George did look a bit nervous, Ned...water was a bit rough for him.


Lori is a lot better now, thanks...after being cleared of anything related to the Big C, she's a lot happier. So am I...!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 15, 2016, 12:37:47 pm
Nice job there rich.  I bet it got a lot of attention
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 15, 2016, 12:53:18 pm
I did have a lot of people asking about it, what it was, etc. One chap insisted on telling me that it was an American logging tug...he wouldn't be told, he told me I was wrong a couple of times.


Oh well...his mother must have loved him.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on May 15, 2016, 02:03:52 pm
I suppose you told him to 'log off' ;D or more aptly post off in no uncertain way
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 15, 2016, 02:32:13 pm
I was very well behaved...(the club chairman was standing alongside me... ;D )


I just stared off into space and carried on with my pint...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: ballastanksian on May 15, 2016, 03:03:55 pm
I salute your self discipline. It is satifying to know that there are others out there who know more than you do about the model you have spent hours building and researching O0 You have squoze lots of detail into a small area :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 15, 2016, 03:32:46 pm
Well, thank you, kind sir...normally one would have either totally ignored the chap, or whispered a reference to sex and travel quietly in his ear, but when one's club chairman is well within earshot, one has to mind one's manners...  ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 15, 2016, 08:43:28 pm
 
 What's she like through a slalom?!   %)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 22, 2016, 05:21:55 am

 What's she like through a slalom?!   %)


The way it turns, I would guess it would disappear up it's own nozzle.... ;D
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: ballastanksian on May 22, 2016, 08:51:08 pm
Like the Novgorod or a WW1 Monitor.

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 22, 2016, 08:57:18 pm
Like the Novgorod or a WW1 Monitor.
[/quote


I'm seriously contemplating a Novgorod...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: ballastanksian on May 23, 2016, 09:55:06 pm
I built one in 1:50th at colege twenty years ago and it was fun. If you have access to an industrial wood lathe then you can turn the hull out of laminated wood:O)

If you do, please do a log on the project:O)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on May 23, 2016, 09:59:16 pm
No fancy tools here, more's the pity...but, a plastic dustbin lid might make a good start for a hull.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Unsinkable 2 on September 03, 2016, 07:27:15 am
Wow i would say it looks like a real one but I've never seen a real one, in fact I never even knew they existed until I joined mayhem (knowledge increased) so thanks for that and well done. Short boat, long thread!


It does somewhat remind me of an American logging tug ;) ....... U2 runs off laughing....... Fast and far.....
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on September 03, 2016, 12:08:06 pm
Watch it - his club chairmans not within earshot
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: steamboat66 on September 03, 2016, 05:01:09 pm
i must admit that in my eyes, a motorflote could only be loved by it's own mother. having said that, i haven't yet seen a pusher that looks good.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on September 03, 2016, 05:25:31 pm
Any pusher looks good rescuing a broken down model from the far reaches of the lake :-))


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on September 03, 2016, 05:31:29 pm
Bullies...you're all bullies. George managed to move the side of the temporary pool we had up, without even trying...


Anyway, I'm telling the chairman of you lot..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: steamboat66 on September 04, 2016, 07:03:41 pm
Any pusher looks good rescuing a broken down model from the far reaches of the lake :-))


Ned
this is very true, and a good reason to have one, even if it's a humble springer.
Bullies...you're all bullies. George managed to move the side of the temporary pool we had up, without even trying...


Anyway, I'm telling the chairman of you lot..
a pusher's physical ability is not in question, and george is a very nicely detailed model of a real boat.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: steamboat66 on September 04, 2016, 08:10:32 pm
i take it (nearly) all back! i've just been looking at the ugly boats thread, motorflote actually looks quite good!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on September 06, 2016, 06:23:28 pm
i take it (nearly) all back! i've just been looking at the ugly boats thread, motorflote actually looks quite good!


Thank you, kind sir...I would just say that Motorflotes are far superior to those awfully ugly Springing things.

(head behind ramparts, full metal jacket on, and standing by for incoming flak...)

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on January 17, 2017, 12:13:10 am

Hi all


I like the look of building one of these as a quick weekend project...was contemplating taking a jump into a Springer, but there is something kind of comical about the boxyness of this little thing that is quite endearing!


Does anyone have a set of plans they would be willing to sell on?


Thanks!
 :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Ianlind on January 17, 2017, 05:50:55 am
Takes a bit longer than a weekend!


Ian.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on January 17, 2017, 10:54:05 am
Using a bit of poetic licence....at my previous building rate - possibly a year's worth of weekends!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on January 17, 2017, 11:12:10 am
Plans for the 'Flote are like rocking horse droppings...I bought a copy of the magazine with plans from eBay. If you ask Andy at Models by Design nicely, he might provide you with a kit of the main parts ready to start building, all in styrene.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on January 17, 2017, 11:37:58 am
Good idea - I'll try eBay and see if I can find anything.

Is Models by Design the one that you built?
It does look really good, but wanted to have a look at the plans to see if I could build it in 2-3mm plywood from scratch...
I don't get much opportunity to do practical things (work, family commitments etc etc) so when I do, its nice to take my time doing all the measuring and cutting too.  Takes me ages, but that's the enjoyment I guess.  I tried building a couple of plastic kits, but couldn't get into it in the same way...?
Making a rod for my own back probably!
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on January 17, 2017, 11:56:06 am
Hi David,


Yes, Andy made me a styrene kit from the original plans (after first getting permission from the original designer)...about £30 ish, I think. I really went overboard with detailing mine, seagulls and dogs...and of course, George himself.


They are great fun to use,  but they do tend to wander off on there own if you're not careful...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: warspite on January 17, 2017, 07:37:22 pm
What do you need plans for, a box of a well know tea bag company as a template, just box round it, its about the same size and shape  %) (hello Mr shifter - oo stop monkeying around)
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on January 20, 2017, 08:36:35 pm
What do you need plans for, a box of a well know tea bag company as a template, just box round it, its about the same size and shape  %) (hello Mr shifter - oo stop monkeying around)


Ooh...you naughty man.   :P
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: rickles23 on February 02, 2017, 02:51:07 pm
Hi,

The styrene kit is still available.

Mine is due out here very soon.

Regards
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 02, 2017, 03:32:59 pm
Another 'Flote has emerged..
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on February 22, 2017, 11:06:55 pm

Woo Yay!


Set of plans for this little beauty secured c/o eBay for the princely sum of 99p!
...now I just need to find the time to build it!


Would it be worth modifying the underside to give it half a chance of being able to reverse?
ie rather than a vertical face in front of the prop, angling it (say 45deg) so that prop wash in reverse has a small chance of washing under?
Shouldn't be too hard should it, or am I missing something?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2017, 11:35:36 am
Mine has a habit sometimes of completely ignoring any commands given by me or the tx,  and just wandering off, doing it's own thing.  You input a right turn...'Flote thinks to itself "nah...I'm going off to the left".  Eventually it wakes up and goes where you wanted it to go. (that's ahead or astern)

They really are comical things to use on their own...hook up a barge to the front though, and it becomes a totally different animal...very responsive to the controls.



Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on February 23, 2017, 09:33:45 pm

One quick question:


The plan shows it with a 1&3/4" (45mm) prop in a 2" (50mm) nozzle, driven by a monoperm.
I have a monoperm in the box of bits my dad left behind, but it looks awfully small to drive a prop of that size?
Isn't there a rule of thumb about the prop not being bigger diameter than the motor?
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on February 23, 2017, 10:01:05 pm
Just thinking...(yeah,  could be dangerous)...ok, mine has a 385 motor, straight drive, and turning a 35mm three blade plastic prop in a 40mm inside diameter plastic tube nozzle. I have a 12v 2900 AA sized battery pack, Mtroniks Viper 15amp esc, Futaba S3003 rudder servo, and a Turnigy electronic switcher for the lights.

Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2017, 07:08:02 pm
That rule of thumb works well enough up to a point, but like most things there are exceptions.

All the same, it's a lot to ask of a monoperm to swing a 45mm prop direct, it would want gearing down about 2:1 i reckon. Or fit a smaller prop to allow the motor to rev.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: DavidHughes on February 24, 2017, 10:41:00 pm
From memory my Arcady ("Bob") has an MFA 385 direct driving a 35mm prop in a 40mm nozzle (well, plumbing waste pipe offcut)...runs pretty nicely: plenty quick enough and last for hours without getting hot... not sure I'd want to overstress it by fitting a bigger prop though
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Subculture on February 25, 2017, 02:51:12 pm
Unless I'm fairly confident of a combination working, I set a motor up in a test rig and measure the current being drawn with the motor held in bucket of water. Most motors are well documented enough to know if you're working the motor within decent efficiency.

Not hugely scientific I know, but good enough for our purposes.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 29, 2017, 09:56:21 pm
 
Good luck with sale Richard - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scratch-built-rc-model-pusher-tug-/252835444330?hash=item3ade2ab66a:g:MeEAAOSw4CFY28Eq  (free plug! )  :-))
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2017, 03:08:32 pm

Good luck with sale Richard - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scratch-built-rc-model-pusher-tug-/252835444330?hash=item3ade2ab66a:g:MeEAAOSw4CFY28Eq (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scratch-built-rc-model-pusher-tug-/252835444330?hash=item3ade2ab66a:g:MeEAAOSw4CFY28Eq)  (free plug! )  :-))



Thank you, Martin...much appreciated.
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: Netleyned on March 30, 2017, 03:25:15 pm
Love the description
Will turn in its own length!
Should have added
With absolutely no input from the
Operator! :D :D


Ned
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on March 30, 2017, 03:34:22 pm
It's about the only boat I've ever had that is capable of turning through 360* in the bath...
Title: Re: The infamous Motorflote push tug...
Post by: U-33 on April 16, 2017, 11:33:12 am
Ladies and gentlemen...the MotorFlote is now SOLD. It's off to it's new owner on Tuesday, chap is coming down to collect it from...oh, forgotten where he comes from  :embarrassed:  up country somewhere.


Anyway, George wants to say Thank You to everybody who offered comments, advice, criticisms and insults during the building, and especially to Andy and Debbs at Models By Design for cutting out the basic parts for me. It was a real fun build...I enjoyed it immensely.


Thanks again, guys...