Model Boat Mayhem - Forum

Technical, Techniques, Hints, and Tips => The "Black Arts!" ( Electrics & Electronics ) => Topic started by: pakirk on February 02, 2009, 03:18:02 PM

Title: New Range of sound units.
Post by: pakirk on February 02, 2009, 03:18:02 PM
New Range of sound units.

Our new range of sound units is coming soon.
Before we finalize the design we would like your input.

WHAT SOUNDS DO YOU WANT?

Please post what sound effects you would like.

Regards, Anthony
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: tugs46 on February 02, 2009, 04:34:07 PM
How about the sound of a 'real' turdo diesel of say 2500kw., for tugs and such.
The exhaust sounds is what many of us are after, seeings as one doesn't hear the engine noise at all unless one is in the engine room, right?

If you're going to make an accuate recording, then you'll have to spend a little time on the boat deck, near the 'pipes' O0.

Oh...and proportional would be nice too! ;D

Almost all of the sound systems I've heard were very un-realistic, and sound more like a car or bus.


Mike
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: pakirk on February 03, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
Hi Mike
We already do a sound unit as you sugested. All our units you can select between engine room or exhaust recordings.
All our units are fully praportional. We do a Large diesel and a large turbo diesel to sute large tugs.


Regards
Anthony
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: tugs46 on February 03, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
Oh.....I never knew :embarrassed: Sorry about that!

Where can I hear a Demo??

Mike
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: pioneer on February 03, 2009, 09:17:29 PM
Hi Anthony

Reading this thread with interest. Living in Glasgow I have a particular interest in Clyde and West highland ferries. I've often looked at the various sound systems on offer and they tend not to suit a large ship with variable pitch props or Voith Schneider units. As an example the Gourock to Dunoon ferry 'Jupiter' has two Voith units, one fore and one aft. The units run continuously and even when berthed are nudging the vessel against the berth. When the ship moves away from the berth there is a tonal change in the engine pitch as the weight goes onto the blades and they 'bite'. This tonal change is the only real change in the exhaust sound that can be heard ( along with a cough of darker exhaust fumes! ).

Jupiter's fleet mate the Arran ferry 'Caledonian Isles' has variable pitch props and when berthed the props don't turn. On preparing to leave the berth the engine revs lift as the props engage and maintain a similar exhaust tone until arrival on end of passage. I expect that the power of her engines means there is no discerable change in engine tone to be heard when under way, just the steady increase in revs for around five minutes into the journey. Caley Isles has a distinct exhaust sound, a reasuring soft 'whistle' a quieter version of some old Diesel railway engines.

Is it possible to have a unit which could mimic the exhast sound changes from a constantly running engine? I guess that Voith powered tugs would have the same characteristics, just more powerful sounding.

I have often listened to the ambience of these ships, outside while at sea, exhaust sounds from the funnel, various vents and fans and the distant rumble of the engine room. I have always meant to record the various elements and have a mixed version running on a CD within a model.

Just thought I would add my tuppence worth , interested if anyone has any other views on the V Pitch and Voith sound issue.

I've posted pictures below of the two Calmac ferries mentioned for those not familiar with them, and also my model of Caledonia, a 1:50 scale model of the ex Arran car ferry.

Keep up the good work Anthony, very best wishes as you get your workshop up and runnng.

Regards

Andrew
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: tigertiger on February 04, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
This may sound dumb, but a ships bell.

And maybe a voice with some old time nautical cries.

Then maybe some of the scale saillors can have something new to play with.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: boatmadman on February 04, 2009, 08:09:50 AM
Further to Andrew's post, how about a sound to mimic the change in exhaust note for a deisel electric powerplant? Guess it would be very similar to the voith unit/cp propellor.

How about a slow speed diesel, ie 100 to 150 revs full speed, with air start. Also maybe an opposed piston Doxford/B&W as well?

Ian
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Seaspray on February 04, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
and being able to hear the sounds before we buy    :-))       

    
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: tigertiger on February 04, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
Hi Pakirk

How much will they cost?
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: destroyer42 on February 04, 2009, 07:16:28 PM
Hi Pakirk,
What about E.M.D engines with air starters.
If you recall I sent you the sounds a while back.

Destroyer 42
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: tonysmoke on March 14, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
hi all greetings from, jersey   we at the lion park model boat club now have the new sounds in our boats, fantastic, herd them at doncaster 2008,  great sound, great service,
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: andyn on March 14, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
How about a sound system we can program from our computer?
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: boatmadman on March 15, 2009, 07:15:08 AM
Do you do any weapon sound effects?
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Snipah on March 17, 2009, 01:53:49 AM
Hi guys, new here, can I ask where can I see the range on offer?

I would like turbine / diesel sounds for my NZ Anzac Frigate  :-))

Thanks

Brett
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: warship1 on March 17, 2009, 04:10:21 AM
Hi Mate
I beleive this is the web site

http://www.rcmodelworkshop.com
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Pat Matthews on April 26, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Have you had a look at Model Solutions of Canada?
http://www.modelsolutions.ca/

Programmable with your own (multiple!) sounds, can do start up sequence, powerful, great quality (I've installed two of them now, quite happy)...


Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: david.harrison on May 26, 2009, 03:09:19 AM
We are now in the final stages of preparing our amazing new SFX6 sound module for production. This unit is the ONLY R/C sound module in the world to play at FULL CD Quality (16 bit/44100 samples/second) and can play any two sounds together at that rate or four sounds together at 16 bit/22050 samples/sec. No compressed MP3 files here. Added to that it supports two fully independent proportional engine sounds for twin engined boats, airplanes, and tanks. Any digital sound you have or can record can be downloaded (by you) to the module. Its extensive Windows PC Application allows you to set-up and configure the many available options. But if you just want to plug and play, it'll do that too - no need to use the PC if you don't want to. Field upgradeable firmware updates and a host of additional features make this a world leader.

See : http://www.modelsolutions.ca/catalog_sound_systems.htm (http://www.modelsolutions.ca/catalog_sound_systems.htm)

Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: david.harrison on May 26, 2009, 03:52:30 AM
Actually we sold you the best units for your needs that were avaiilable at the time. We have been trying to develop the very difficult dual engine feature for many months and it wasn't until today that we actually succeeded in the development system. I didn't want to keep you waiting for something that may never have happened. It is now May and the start of the boating season, at least in Canada. Our advice to you got you going so you can enjoy sound in your model for the rest of the season as compared to waiting for something that maybe never actually appeared. We still have to get this new device into production so will be at least another 2-3 months down the road before anything actually appears for sale.

This was not a calculated ruse to get more money from you. We had several other customers also waiting for the SFX5.3 units who we could have just as easily sold them to but chose to hold them for you so you could get your project going. In my book that is going out of the way to meet a customers needs and shows good customer service.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: david.harrison on May 26, 2009, 01:41:47 PM
Private communications for these sort of customer issues are far more appropriate. Discussing these and flaming companies in public is not what this forum is for.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: andyn on May 26, 2009, 03:27:27 PM
Discussing these and flaming companies in public is not what this forum is for.

Actually, I'm glad he has, because others can see what it going on in public and not make the mistake of spending far too much money than what is needed on a reccomendation.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: bosun on May 26, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Private communications for these sort of customer issues are far more appropriate. Discussing these and flaming companies in public is not what this forum is for.
Thats not really answering Bunkerbarges question is it.
Bosun
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: barryfoote on May 26, 2009, 03:53:46 PM
I think Model Solutions of Canada need to be very careful here. Customer satisfaction should be their top priority. If it was my company, I would have made an instant public apology and offered to take the goods back, before the customer made the suggestion. That way, I would have turned negative publicity into positive.....Simple really.

What they have chosen to do, will without doubt cost them customers and therefore income!!
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: derekwarner on May 26, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Gents.......as a professional facilitator for contracts within the steel industry here in Port Kembla [Australia] , provides a great overview & aspect of client/customer relationships

So what do I see here?

1) I see a customer who believes & states that he has a valid grievance with a product.....product update pending.......???
2) I see a supplier who has provided in accordance with the clients order & request....so

The only fault I see here is ....that the supplier ....suggests that

"Private communications for these sort of customer issues are far more appropriate. Discussing these and flaming companies in public is not what this forum is for"

My point is simple here ....in that I have no knowledge of the actual circumstances or original purchase, however from my perspective....

'this forum IS  is the ideal medium for members to discuss issues ....be they relative to purchasing goods from supplires'  

So 2800 Mayhem members [who are potential customers ] will be the judge ....I will say no more ................ Derek


Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: david.harrison on May 26, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
Actually, we had already offered to take the units back and give a full refund, but this had been done in a private communication, not in the public forum. As I said before this forum is not intended to discuss private exchanges and communications. As I learnt from previous exchanges on this forum, it can get toxic very quickly and deteriorate into a moderated for the sake of peace match. Enough is enough already OK? The customer will have his satisfaction.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Rex Hunt on May 26, 2009, 04:03:23 PM
Actually, we had already offered to take the units back and give a full refund, but this had been done in a private communication, not in the public forum. As I said before this forum is not intended to discuss private exchanges and communications. As I learnt from previous exchanges on this forum, it can get toxic very quickly and deteriorate into a "xxxxx" match. Enough is enough already OK? The customer will have his satisfaction.

Spoken like a gentleman......

loaded tx antennas at thirty paces....
Stand back to back
On my count take ten paces ....turn and fire!
 <*<
Endex

 :-))
Rex
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Circlip on May 26, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
After being the recipient of everybody and their dog getting involved in the past over what started via a PM and should have stayed there,THIS is when the Moderators should get involved at an early stage and keep the hangers on --- off.

  Regards  Ian.

  OH BB, YOU are a Moderator???
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 26, 2009, 04:33:01 PM
Cheeky bu______ Circlip!  ok2

Actually, it seems the forum has served 'what it's intended for' in this case.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: andyn on May 26, 2009, 04:43:02 PM
This forum is for a group of like minded people to get together and talk about something we love. Boating.

As a by product of this, we have discussions about companies and their service, after all, we all want the best deal, so we talk about customer satisfaction and the quality of the products. This is what happens in open conversation. If you want people to buy things from you, you most of all need their trust. You can easily see why then, that ACTion Electronics and Mark's Model Bits are held in highest regard here...
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: malcolmfrary on May 26, 2009, 09:05:26 PM
The great problem with all complex modern electronic devices is that there is always an improvement on the way, it will always do twice as much, and it will probably be cheaper.  Computers are the most striking example.  Following BBs logic, no-body would have bought a computer in the last ten years because the new, cheaper, improved version was on the horizon - those of us who have bought usually have a really sharp knife to unpack the thing before its out of date.  Its just how the real world works.  If you want a particular item at a particular time, and it is available at a stated price at that time, that is usually the price you pay.  If the same company later the same day announces a forthcoming MK2 in the near future, again, welcome to the real world.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 27, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
Since my original post on this thread I am very happy to be able to report that Model Solutions of Canada have been in constant communication and we have come to a mutually benefical arrangement.

I am very impressed with their committment to customer satisfaction and because of this, combined with the already proven excellent product they sell, I am more than happy to endorse and  recommend thier products.
Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 27, 2009, 10:37:42 PM
OK, the forum's job is done.
Subject closed.

Title: Re: New Range of sound units.
Post by: andygh on June 29, 2009, 02:07:12 AM
Quote
New Range of sound units.

Our new range of sound units is coming soon.
Before we finalize the design we would like your input.

WHAT SOUNDS DO YOU WANT?

Please post what sound effects you would like.

Regards, Anthony

What ever happened about this  {:-{