Model Boat Mayhem
Technical, Techniques, Hints, and Tips => Radio Equipment => Topic started by: lasatalayas on February 12, 2009, 04:23:24 pm
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Has anyone experience of this product?
The price is great - 40$US
I've just bought one but the instructions regarding binding the receiver seem a bit odd - putting a link on the Rx Battery connector and connecting the Battery to a Rx servo channel.
I'd appreciate any thoughts.
See details at http://r2hobbies.com/proddetail.php?prod=rcps61206_61411&utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1813771&utm_campaign=no%20interference%20quality%202.4g%20radio%20system%20available
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lasatalayas,
A friend of mine has got one of these with three receivers - he says it does exactly what it says on the tin!
He has sent me a URL which discusses the system at very great length. I will send you the reference.
Most adjustments - including servo reversing etc are done via a programming lead to a computer - there has been some discussion about the link not working (or not working easily) with Vista.
I am planning to order a set in the next few days - no doubt you have found that there are two receivers from turborix - I want the single-box receiver.
more later,
andrew
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Thats the way binding is done on the Spektrum 5E. Pete M
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Pete M
So is it OK to plug the battery connector into a servo port and the shoring link into the battery port?
Seems to go against normal electronic practice!
{:-{
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Yes it's fine. As PeteM says, it's the way Spektrum sets go into binding mode. The link doesn't do anything daft like shorting + to - but earths the data line.
HTH
Guy
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My friend with the radio says that the ability to change receivers is simple and wonderful - so I assume its troublefree and reliable - however they do it. He has three of the 2-piece receivers, and is quite happy with them
The discussion I was pointed at is
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8142605/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
There is a lot of interesting information among the posts. feel free to ignore and "attitude" you may detect - they aren't Mayhemmers
A lot of the detail I don't understand - I never expect to drive a helicopter!
andrew
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Thanks everyone for your help.
I've now got it working okay.
My problem was caused by the servos sent me with the Tx/Rx having a plastic extrusion on the side the plug which meant they could only go in the worng way round. I matched the battery connector to have the same orientation which of course was then also wrong.
Having now shaved the extrusion and connected everything the other way round all now works as it should.
Unfortunately the instructions supplied with the set were a little unclear and could do with some improvement.
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Having got my system working I hope these pictures may be of help to others.
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Ken,
Now those ares what I call useful instructions..
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Now those ares what I call useful instructions..
Quite right! lessons to be learned there by some manufacturers! <*<
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I have these, only done short testing so far, the instructions are pretty useless, however the same set is manufactured in other names, flysky being one of them. If you google flysky they have downloadable instructuions, which are quite good.
Couple of points to mention.
A lot of the programmes are designed for rc helicopters (I also fly these) so some of the terminology can be a bit confusing if you are not familiar with it. You keep your particular settings in a folder on your pc, so really model memory is infinite, you plug in the tx to the pc (lead supplied) and open the relevent folder!, so when you are at the lake, that is the setting you have. For a boat thats no problem really, as the sticks will be doing the same job (except if you have a programme/boat with different mixing?)
The left sick does not have "self centring", as a helicopter cannot have this, and there is a ratchet on it, so for boats, you have to open up the tx, take the ratchet off, and I used the self centre action of left and right on the throttle stick, and moved it to give self centring on the up/down travel on the left throttle stick (assuming you want standard uk mode 2 throttle on left).
I have made a disc that goes over the left stick, as the left/right movement now has no function. The disc has a slot, so the stick only goes up/down. THe riight stick is set up for rudder (left/right), but it also goes up /down, this is an extra channel, for me, this has no function yet, but I was thinking it could be used for twin screw mixing?
2 knobs on the top, I have set them up for turning a fire monitor, as they are proportional knobs. 2 switches on the top, I set these as firstly nav/cabin lights on and off, and the second for smoke generator on/off, or fire monitor pump, depending on the model.( I bought 2 receivers)
THe rx aerials are notoriously brittle, helicopter forums are recommending putting a blob of glue on them to make it stronger. When delivered the first rx was bound, it took minutes to bind the second rx. THe tx has a good quality feel to it (for the money). I do however want to do more testing before the set is used in a more expensive model. A friend bought a set at the same time, he has been testing in rc cars, and has said the range is shorter than that of his 40meg set, but I have not experienced this. Here is a short video of my youngest thrashing about with the turborix set (looks like there are no "splashes breaking the signal" )problems :}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJIeAievxps
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I cannot get the link to r2hobbies to work.
It may be becuase I am in China.
If others can, could somebody please tell if there is an email contact?
So I can email them.
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Its working hear http://r2hobbies.com/index.php
Proteus
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Email: cs@r2hobbies.com
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Its working hear http://r2hobbies.com/index.php
Proteus
Hi Proteus
Maybe they are blocking china.
I get this message below.
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Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.
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Apache Server at www.r2hobbies.com Port 80
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Email: cs@r2hobbies.com
Thanks :-))
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Hi wideawake
i wouldnt hold your breath trying to find a c.e mark on the turborix set...
ive got the 40 meg f.m set......6 channels for about 30 squids including the postage.....and there aint no c.e mark unless its in chinese ..swahili ..or invisible ink...
on enquiring i was informed that the c.e mark is on the box.....well thats all right then... :-))
Only problem ..............it came with no box %%
regards.............bob......( still looking )
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Hi Bob
No I wasn't holding my breath! In fact my comment about CE marking was rather tongue in cheek. I rather doubt that it'll be marked. It won't necessarily stop me using one but would certainly mean that I couldn't and wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
I also want to explore the TX power since if the advertised 800mW is anything like true it's way over the permitted limit in the UK.
Cheers
Guy
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Bob
enlighten us so far,is it any good
Mark
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Certainly is :-)) works a treat..........haven't tried it with other radios yet as not sure if they would catch light when you power up {-)
If it doesn.t cause trouble then certainly worth the price
regards bob
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sems to be a lot of controversy about if you are not spending hundreds of pounds then a product isnt up to the mark, my turborix set, in my hand now, is CE marked, so for all the sceptics, it does the job, at an affordable price, is ce marked, and same price as a budget 40mhz set with a lot less features.
Regarding the dx6i, This set is held in high regard with rc helicopter boys, but is it not a little "overcomplicated and fussy" for boat users?
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for anyone wondering, I have just inspected my turborix 2.4 set, it is CE marked. :-))
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I could not get the website in China.
This is because there is already another exclusive agent in China for certain products.
But I am now using a proxy so can see it.
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Is r2hobbies the only place to obtain these,fleabay only shows 1,p+p too high though
Mark
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Where is the best place to get a turborix set then,only one place i can find and the postage,
doubles the price
Mark
http://www.alebproducts.com/proddetail.php?prod=radioset002
£52.89 all in, just ordered one, don't tell the wife.
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just be careful with your windows operating system on the pc if you are getting a turborix set, windows vista is currently not compatable, but they are wiorking on it. I got mine fromr2hobbies.com, bought 2, one for a friend, so shared the postage, and didnt get hit for import tax as I asked them to say it was a gift.
now, something to consider, gave the turborix its first good test, everything was fine, but the range was less than my zebra 40mhz set. It has a built in signal loss shut down, so no probs with loss of signal. I am rubbuish at distances, but if you are familiar with Newsham Park lake in Liverpool, at the widest point, I lost signal almost one bank to the other. We then wondered how much extra signal the second receiver was achieving, so disconnected it, and found that the range was exactly the same, with one receiver. The disconnected one was positioned very low (almost below waterline) at the stern, so will have to try it higher in hull then the range might be improved. In my haste getting it out, ( and very sticky velcro holding it in!)I broke a wire, so could not try to reposition it.
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unfortunately this thread has sort of split, more turborix info on "not happy with dx6" in general section, sorry about that :((
Anyway, I gave it a good test today, range not marvelous, but could have been position of the 2nd receiver, look on the other thread for more results :-))
I got mine from r2hobbies.com, turborix set also known as flysky, try googling that
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just be careful with your windows operating system on the pc if you are getting a turborix set, windows vista is currently not compatable, but they are wiorking on it.
Rats, I didn't know that. I've got mine but not had a good look at it yet. I may have to fire up an ancient W2000 desktop machine then. Not much use at the pond-side :(( However I did discover by googling around various forums that a couple of people are working on Pocket PC versions of the set-up program. Once I've got a bit more time I'll investigate that further.
Cheers
Guy
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A small number of posts have been merged in from the 'not happy with DX6i' thread
The computer system has done this in date/time order.
Sorry for any loss in continuity.
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sorry, I have lost the person who posted the question "does the turborix set need setting up on a pc everytime" or something similar, from the "not happy with dx6 merge" (I know what I mean!!)
You can set up the parameters on a limitless amount of folders on your pc, then plug into pc, and grab the folder you want, these "presets" are then your tx settings, plus obviously the mechanical subtrims on the tx.
So, setting servo throw etc must be done via pc. Its quite clever, however, it is a none digital display set, and really needs to be treated as a budget 40mhz set,( these sets will not have servo throw etc adjustments anyway) but more channels (via 2 proportional knobs, and 2 flick switches), and the obvious advantage of no frequency clash, its no more than that, and for the money, you cant really expect much else :D
They are really designed for rc planes and helis, hence some of the features, and certainly the terminology, are rc heli. I have noticed that the rweceivers are a bit fragile, so need to be mounted securely :-))
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...I lost signal almost one bank to the other. We then wondered how much extra signal the second receiver was achieving,...one was positioned very low (almost below waterline) at the stern...
This is probably your problem.
2.4 GHz does not pass through water, unlike 27 MHz and 40 MHz.
So possibly, once the boat was far away to lose direct line of sight with one of the antenna, your problems began.
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Am I correct to assume that one doesn't need to use both receivers??
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm new to the 2.4ghz thing :embarrassed:
Also, do the little 'wee' antennas have to be vertical or horizontal??
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Where is the best place to get a turborix set then,only one place i can find and the postage,
doubles the price
Mark
javascript:void(0);
http://www.alebproducts.com/proddetail.php?prod=radioset002
£52.89 all in, just ordered one, don't tell the wife.
Hum....
Still not arrived after nearly two weeks. Can't recommend this firm at the moment............
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Mine came from R2Hobbies, and took about 2.5 weeks to arrive.
I was able to track it, and the 'hold-up' was at the Customs Clearance Depot, where it sat for 8 days or so.
It did come as advertised and 'Duty-Free' O0
I must say that the firm seems to care about what they sell, and who they sell it to, as they sent me numerous emails.
They claim to have a 'Vista' compatable CD coming out this week.
** Oh yes....I forgot to mention that it came with two $5.00 cash coupons; redemable on furthar puchases :} :}
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Am I correct to assume that one doesn't need to use both receivers??
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm new to the 2.4ghz thing :embarrassed:
Also, do the little 'wee' antennas have to be vertical or horizontal??
WRT the receivers, you don't get the choice AFAIK. The two are joined together.
WRT antenna orientation, ideally one should be vertical and the other horizontal but it ain't critical at the ranges we use. It does pay to get the receivers as high as possible and above the waterline. The tiny second receiver unit should make this much easier.
HTH
Guy
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Where is the best place to get a turborix set then,only one place i can find and the postage,
doubles the price
Mark
javascript:void(0);
http://www.alebproducts.com/proddetail.php?prod=radioset002
£52.89 all in, just ordered one, don't tell the wife.
Hum....
Still not arrived after nearly two weeks. Can't recommend this firm at the moment............
Not looking good..... :(
http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/f34/allflight-co-uk-15255/
-Rob
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I got mine from r2hobbies. Quite quick delivery considering it came in from HK. They're good at communicating including regarding the Vista compatible version of the driver. It's apparently due next week. I'll post when it turns up (and works!).
Guy
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Hi guys....working on the assumption that my turborix 40 fm set works a treat and at an affordable price i have just bit the bullet and ordered two 6 channel 2.4 sets . really good price so fingers crossed.
regards...bob.
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Hi guys....working on the assumption that my turborix 40 fm set works a treat and at an affordable price i have just bit the bullet and ordered two 6 channel 2.4 sets . really good price so fingers crossed.
regards...bob.
Not from Aleb products...
After two weeks he tells they are out of stock
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Hi frankie.......no , from r2hobbies , and i have already had back three e'mails telling me that they have been packed and shipped with a tracking no , so inless than 24 hours , ordered , packed , shipped , and a lot of information.......have dealt with r2hobbies before and they are very good
regards.bob.
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Would buy one from r2hobbies now,if there paypal system worked for me.
Ended up buying a cheap 40mhz set,just to get better half on water,
thankfully she played with springer and got the bug,now building her own boat.
This is gotta be unsinkabke,so was the titanic {-)
Mark
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Hi guys....turborix 2.4 sets arrived from hong kong yesterday 23rd.....ordered on 18th......thats not bad from china and c e marked
Watch this space...............
regards bob,
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Mine not arrived after three weeks, from Bristol...
Aleb products...one to avoid????
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As I've mentioned before, mine arrived very quickly from r2hobbies. Only problem was lack of compatability with Vista. I had an email last week to let me know that the Vista version of the drivers would be available in a week or so an another this morning saying that the CD and a replacement lead (apparently vista needs a different one) will be in the post in the next day or two.
Given I had a few doubts about all this at the start I must say the customer service from r2hobbies is superb. I'm looking forward to playing with the set maybe next week.
BTW as was mentioned by someone else, the Tx definitely has a CE sticker.
Cheers
Guy
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Mine not arrived after three weeks, from Bristol...
Aleb products...one to avoid????
Definitely!
I'm in the middle of a Paypal dispute regarding them at this very moment.....
-Rob
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I'm in the middle of a Paypal dispute regarding them at this very moment.....
Oh dear! I ordered one of these last week from Aleb products and followed up with a phone call to Dr Levi on the mobile no. he gives on his website, when he promised to email me confirmation. No confirmation or radio has appeared so i called again on the same number just now and he re-assured me that the item will go "this week". He said he'd been having some personal problems. Fingers crossed....
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Just to add that I got an email from Dr Levi of aleb products apologising and explaining that his father is in hospital 240 miles away and that he's been preoccupied which is understandable in those circumstances. He assures me that he'll send the radio this week. I'll keep you informed.
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Mine was ordered on wednesday 4 March,
on the following Sunday 8/3 I got an email say it would be sent as soon as he could.
on 13/3 after another email from me, he said he had a personal crisis and would deal with the order thast day.
after another email from me on 18/3, two weeks after order I got this....
DEAR FRANK: I am not used to, and do not enjoy, being communicated with, in this way.
Most people manage to send more civil and more pleasant emails.
Fact is: These Turborix 6 channel sets are far more popular than we anticipated,
We have sold more than 50 ..
We sold out, just before you Order arrived.
New shipment of Sets arrives on Fri -and we will send you one, as soon as it come throught the door,
Best wishes to you, Dr Allan Levi ALLFLIGHT UK (& GP, BRISTOL)
That was in answer to ....
This still hasn't arrived It's two weeks since I ordered it. Can I have a refund please?????
Frank
so it was out of stock all the time he was telling he was sending it that day...........
No response to today's email.
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No-one was quite so surprised as me to find a package from Aleb Products in the post his morning.....
My Tx/Rx arrived two and a half weeks after the order was placed.
Ain't PayPal disputes brilliant?
-Rob
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He tells me mines coming today..............................................
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Hmm....
Didn't notice this above...
but....
The set has 6 FULLY PROPORTIONAL CHANNELS! and not just the usual 4 + 2 switched on/off channels
Thought you'd like to know....
-Rob
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He tells me mines coming today..............................................
Whilst his track record with the truth is not good (!) as evidenced by your experience so far.....
I *can* assure you mine did arrive this morning.
Which is odd, come to think of it, because I ordered 5 days AFTER you.
-Rob
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Yes mines arrived now.
All seems to work fine. Ths CD manuals a bit brief
But as you say it has siix full channels.
Not tried it with the computer yet.
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Anyone into programing it yet?
So far I seem to have switched off ch 5 + 6 :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Anyone into programing it yet?
So far I seem to have switched off ch 5 + 6 :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Not yet. I'm awaiting the Vista compatible software. r2hobbies have been very good with email contact and I've been ppromised despatch next week.
Will report back when I've tried it.
Guy
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Anyone into programing it yet?
So far I seem to have switched off ch 5 + 6 :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Channels 5 and 6 need to be mixed 100% both directions to VR (B) and VR (A) respectively.....
The control software, once you get the hang of it (!), isn't too bad, except that by default, on my copy, it unmixed VR A + B from Channels 5 and 6....
Which was nice....
Very nice radio so far.
Have to find something I haven't broken to try it out on the water (!) %%
-Rob
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Just got one of these Turborix radio sets from R2Hobbies. Ordered last Thursday and arrived this morning.
The manual is pretty useless but found a much better copy by here:-
http://www.snhobbies.com/product_info.php?cPath=54&products_id=358
or here (6CH RADIO CONTROL SYSTEM MANUAL):-
http://www.helipro-rc.com/download.asp
I have also found a video to help you install the software here:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaFeqPcZmfk
Hope this helps all who have bought one of these radio sets.
Bob.
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Hi
Bob_V
Thank you for the great links :-))
PS
( Order from ALLFLIGHT UK on Tuesday late 17th in glasgow Friday 27th O0 )
Timo2
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Brief 4 hour test (!) this afternoon with a 40" PT Boat....
Responds well up to 210 yards distance with both antenna just an inch or two above water level.
Why 210 yards? Need a bigger lake....
I feel a trip to Llanberis coming on! :-)
-Rob
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google skyfly for much better instructions. Through ignorance, I noticed that if needing a seperate battery source, depending on your esc, even with the tx/rx turned off, the batteries drain quickly. Will be testing this week with fully charged batteries (:embarrassed:) which hopefully will improve range, as the set is now in the proper boat which is higher than the test boat, so the antennas are sitting higher.
I now have 2 rx's bound to 1 tx, and so far all is fine, with a couple of folders saved on the pc with different settings. Thats the only prob, I had to make sure if I am running both boats that the settings are the same, as there are no servo reverse switches on the tx. I had to change the links on one of my rudders so both boats operate the same direction, but no problem there.
Guy, keep us posted on the vista update, I have been told by r2hobbies since xmas the update was iminent, but nothing yet, but I have to say r2hobbies communication and customer service so far has been superb!
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There *is* a Vista driver for the cable at the top of the page here:
<http://www.prolific.com.tw/eng/downloads.asp?ID=31>
Does the software on the supplied disk run at all?
-Rob
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Yup the software itself seems to load and run OK but the USB/PS2 driver doesn't. I'll try the driver mentioned. r2hobbies were saying "another week" last week.
Cheers
Guy
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Have you got anywhere with this Guy?
-Rob
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Have you got anywhere with this Guy?
-Rob
Not really Rob. I downloaded the driver you pointed to but the problem seems to be in the allocation of COM port. Neither one offered by the software seems to work. I'm still waiting for the promised CD from r2hobbies ATM.
Cheers
Guy
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Just to record that I did eventually get my radio (the 4ch non programmable one) from Aleb products and that it works as advertised. I hope that Dr Levi will be able to overcome his problems as he is a useful source of this kit and he sent me a very nice email at the end.
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OK chaps. i've cracked the Vista problem. At least to be more accurate I've found the answer on another forum.
My problem was that, with the original drivers, none of the COM ports offered by the program matched the one allocated by the lead driver (COM7)
Credit must go to geotrouvetout on rcuniverse.com
To quote from his post
I've tried, the software on XP and Vista, i've got the same results, to make it work on Vista i've dowloaded the driver first here
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cooldrives/windowsprolificdrivers.zip
and install it then downloaded this one
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cooldrives/vista-prolific-chip-driver-for-serial-adapters.zip
and install it, before installing the driver(s) i've removed the old one (the one that come from the disk with the radio) and change the modem COM port that was COM3 to COM1 (it was availaible) , i don't know if it was a conflict with the COM port or the driver or both to get it work.
I followed the instructions above and once I'd installed the second update the serial/USB lead installed and decided that it was COM 7 as before but when I opened the program COM 7 was available and when selected it all works!! A slight panic when the throttle wouldn't work but I found that was due to one switch being allocated to throttle cut and turned on.
I'm still finding out what can be changed and how but at least we're on the way.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks Guy....
Just had half an hour with mine and got it working on Visa no problems
went straight into com7.
Restored my ch 5 and 6 which I had lost the other day.
Might try it with a boat next !!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank
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Being new to 2.4 I'm wondering the best way to mount the two RXs.
I understand I think that the two ariels should be 90 degrees to each other? ---- one vertical and one horizontal?
Does it matter if the two Rx are close to each other, or even fixed to one another, by say an elastic band?
Any tips??
Thanks
Frank
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Being new to 2.4 I'm wondering the best way to mount the two RXs.
I understand I think that the two ariels should be 90 degrees to each other? ---- one vertical and one horizontal?
Does it matter if the two Rx are close to each other, or even fixed to one another, by say an elastic band?
Any tips??
Thanks
Frank
Hi Frank
To be honest I think that in most model boat applications at the ranges most people use. RX position isn't that important. However the ideal would be to have the two RX aerials at right angles to each other as you say. I think the biggest benefit of the twin RX system is the ease with which one RX can be installed high up in the superstructure. I'd be keen to do that more than worrying about the angle of the aerials. The original idea of the "aerials at right angles" instruction was for model aircraft, where the relationship between TX and RX may be changing all the time in three dimensions and much longer ranges are generally used. If the simplest thing for you to do is keep the RXs together than do it. If you find your range is limited below what you need then try other arrangements.
HTH
Guy
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Thanks for the links Guy, I'm all systems go on Vista now too :-))
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Thanks for the links Guy, I'm all systems go on Vista now too :-))
Excellent andy.
BTW I've discovered that if you select either of the heli model options you get a rather neat graphically adjustable exponential curve for the throttle. As you'll also no doubt have found under "stick" you can change the TX from Mode 1 to Mode 2.
Guy
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Just spotted this on eBay. Looks like the Turborix, and it says it will bind to the Spektrum DSM2 receivers!
Barrie
eBay item 260405244691
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Just spotted this on eBay. Looks like the Turborix, and it says it will bind to the Spektrum DSM2 receivers!
Barrie
eBay item 260405244691
I doubted that a non-Spektrum TX would bind to a Spektrum RX but googling on the model number came up with this
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLH1056
so it looks as if it's another brand name supplied by Horizon Hobbies so could well use the same technology as the Spektrum gear.
HTH
Guy
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It looks a bit like it but mine doesn't have an LCD screen + the ebay one has more switches
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That's the E-Fight one usually sold with the Blade helicopter.
Some do appear on E Bay from time to time. One of our club members has a LP5DSM which is similar.
His does have 'Spektrum Technology' on the front. I have also heard that the LP5DSM will bind with
a Spektrum AR6100 DSM Rx(not DSM2) but don't quote me. It seems likely that the HP6DSM will bind to
either DSM or DSM2 but not sure which one.
Bob.
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I believe that it's in the name, LP5DSM ;)
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got a turborix with 2 receivers....no problem binding them.
I run an xp machine, have downloaded the software and the uart driver on the disk, the system sees the usb plugged in and comes up on screen, but when I open the software it does not see the transmitter!!! HAVE TRIED ALL THE DRIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED BUT CANNOT GET IT TO WORK ON MY PC! tried on Bob V and it works on his.....any ideas??????
in desperation
klunk
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Right an update.........after trying loads of different drivers gleened from various websites and forums, I went to my daughters computer out of sheer frustration, which runs VISTA, and the damn thing worked.....................never thought to try it on vista to start with as everyone is saying that they were waiting for vista drivers etc.
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vista drivers have now been issued (I got mine from R2hobbies, dispatched foc.) Maybe you got a vista driver to start with?
on another note, I just received some extra rx's, and they have been updated from the original versions. Gone are the short brittle aerials, replaced by very long flexible wire areials, much better, maybe the range will increase, I always ran out of signal before my old 40mhz did!
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I've never had a problem with the short aerial version but the last 2 I ordered have had the longer flexi type and they do look far better quality
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Just got a second rec for mine, did the binding fine, following the instructions at the start of this thread.
(Works OK , after removing the binding plug! )
Mine does seem to have the green LED for binding though.
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Hmm, all mine are red {:-{
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I mean the one on the transmitter, there's a battery monitor LED but not the one to the right of the switch shown on the pics on the first page of this thread.
The LEDs on the rec. are red
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Oh ok, I thought you meant the Rx led :-))
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Hi All
Turborix 2.4Ghz 6 Channel Tx & Rx
8 months old a great set with 4 Rx in difference boats with on problems
Have update TX power supply with LIPO S3 Battery very easy to fit and a very good price
Timo2
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Looks good, where did you get it?
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Anyone anywhere come up with a PDA/windows mobile verson of the setup program?
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The best place for information on Turborix is
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=967207&page=195
nearly 200 pages to read but there is a good summary of the information to download on this page.
Fred
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Hi for whats its worth the 6 ch and the 9 channel 2.4 gear from r2hobbies is about the best gear i have used in 30 odd years of boat modelling and the 4 ch stick gear is great i paid 60 bucks oz landed for 4 ch sticks and its the best stick controller arounds for the dollars great service staight no b/s and the gear is brillant to use two thumbs up from me down under tassie48.
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hi i need to get a copy of the original software that comes on the CD for programming the set, can some one please help as i cant get any radio setup.
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Download under the model FS-CT6A on this page: http://www.flysky-cn.com/english/download.asp
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For those that find the factory T6 software unfathomable, this:
http://www.sgr.info/usbradio/default.htm
is rather good....
...and quite a bit prettier too :-)
-Rob
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Bear with me gents...
why do you need to programme the radio gear for a model boat????
Ain't it just left, right, stop, go for most?
OK, maybe a very fast boat wants some carb trim or power trim on an outboard cat or on trim tabs and I suppose there are big battleships with twirly turrets, soIi can see maybe 4 function is useful, but programmable??!
Isn't this all getting a bit silly? How many who've bought these things have actually breathed a sigh of relief because at last they've been able to tap away into it some special abilities?
Convince me it's not all keeping up with the watery Joneses.
Regards,
Vintagent
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Bear with me gents...
why do you need to programme the radio gear for a model boat????
Ain't it just left, right, stop, go for most?
Left? Right? Stop? Go?
When I were a lad we didn't have no fancy remote control gear, we just pushed t'boat off from t'side and ran like hell round t'other side of t'pond....
Moving on....
I'm sure similar discussions went on beside the pond when these newfangled 2 channel radio control systems came out - 'I'm doing quite alright with my one channel setup thankyou!'
Proportional control? Who needs that eh?
Times were 'ard but we were 'appy living in our shoe box....
-Rob
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REP Unitone with a 2 Transistor PULSER, Servo from an old "Wesclox" alarm for the gears.
WE ad it tough.
Regards Ian.
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Bear with me gents...
why do you need to programme the radio gear for a model boat????
Ain't it just left, right, stop, go for most?
OK, maybe a very fast boat wants some carb trim or power trim on an outboard cat or on trim tabs and I suppose there are big battleships with twirly turrets, soIi can see maybe 4 function is useful, but programmable??!
Isn't this all getting a bit silly? How many who've bought these things have actually breathed a sigh of relief because at last they've been able to tap away into it some special abilities?
Convince me it's not all keeping up with the watery Joneses.
Regards,
Vintagent
well, as a club we have just got 3 Club 500's and will throttle these back so that members of the public can cause carnage some fun for themselves. easier if its done via a programmable transmitter, also we can limit the throttle curve as well!
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Oh, so helpful, -moderated-, thanks a bunch.
Your wit has left me me less than impressed. I asked a valid question and one of you answered it albeit with names and numbers I don't understand, but thanks anyway.
I would be delighted to take any of those old sets you laugh at off your hands by the way to look just right in my 50 year old boats.
Seriously folks, pass them my way. My old REP was stolen. I'd have had that for 47 years this Christmas AND it would be in my Crash Tender too along with the Taycol Supermarine motor.
All the old stuff you mention was leading to the ideal of proportional control, however obtained and with transistorised digital proportional we all got our dream. Anything else is merely overlaying and just plain flash, but that's fine if that's what makes your day.
I thought the point of a forum was to disseminate help, not just sit back and take the-moderated-.
Regards,
Vintagent
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"Language Timothy!" >:-o
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My Hobby King 2.4Ghz radio, which is identical to the Turborix version in every way except for the brand stickers, needed to have the rudder servo travel adjusted, and the only way to do this is on a computer. It was very easy to do, and the servo now travels to its full extent, giving better rudder control.
The main reason I ventured into the wonderful world of 2.4Ghz radio was the fact that no frequency keys are required, and one does not have to worry about frequency clashes. The radios are also very cheap and appear to be well built. I was not attempting to "Keep up with the watery Joneses", but simply moving with the times and allowing myself more time on the water without using someone else's frequency. The disadvantage is that you have to have a computer to modify the transmitter settings but, having said that, one of our elderly members (he is even older than me :o ) bought one, and it worked just fine without any modifications. Perhaps he was lucky because even servo reversing needs to be done on the PC.
Peter.
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Thanks, Peter, an answer at least.
So this 2.4 stuff is, what, unlimited? In numbers on the water? I can see an appeal in that, obviously, but a big turn off about modifying it on a computer.
Now, would you explain the need for servo reversing, et al and the need for so many functions (as we dinosaurs grew up calling propo "channels" as seperate from tone channels).
Martin, I thought that was mild enough Timothy Language. I'll know in future. Replace "moderated" with "mickey" pretty much.
I would also point out that not all of us have a bottomless pit of play money.
I use my old stuff because it still does exactly what it used to and that was exactly what I wanted of it. My boats are no different so why would I spend unnecessarily on new gear, though Heaven knows the new stuff is inexpensive. The question is...is it cheap?
Regards,
Vintagent
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Hi there
Yes effectively an unlimited number of boats on 2.4GHz can operate omn the same pond. Actually the limit is probably 80 (the number of channels on 2.4GHz). The transmitter chooses its own clear channel to transmit on so will never use a channel on which it detects another signal.
Many of the gizmops on modern equipment are available on 40MHz gear as well as the 2.4GHz stuff. Not all are useful to everyone but once you get into chip-based gear it's usually easier to include everything than to disable some functions. Most transmitters are programmed via menus on the unit, only a few of the cheaper sets use a computer to do the programmimg.
Keeping to the simpler things, servo reversing is useful if you find that you've fixed up the rudder linkage such that right stick is left rudder or vice versa. I know you could redo the linkage but a quick "servo reverse" is simpler. End point or range adjustment is really handy and avoids the need for lots of fiddling with servo linkage throws. Just set the maximum position you need on the channel end point and it'll automatically be full throw on the stick. I do scale sail and use a Hitec winch. I don't neeed to think too much about how many turns the winch takes as I simply set up the transmitter channel to give me the travel I need on the sheet.
I use 2.4GHz for the convenience and because I came back into the hobby, with no gear, after many years away and 2.4GHz was just becoming available and was clearly the way to go for someone starting from scratch.
BTW i'm in the grumpy old man category having drawn my pension last year but I have to admit, having a background in electronics, I tend to be an early adopter of things like DAB and digital TV as ell.
HTH
Guy
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Hi Guy, many thanks for that.
Much clearer now. I can see the benefit of the multiple channels and the maximum throw on servos, etc.
Pity an English manufacturer doesn't make one!
I am completely clueless on electrics. I ain't proud of it, especially as my Dad was an Radio and TV man, but it all seemed so claustrophopic to me and I can only mend things that move, so all this endless quoting of new terminology and acronyms always seems like point scoring to me, even when it isn't.
As for digital broadcasting, they need to get that sussed properly before the big change over or there'll be riots in the street.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and our digital radio we had on our boat was a complete pain to tune.
Btw are you actually on a boat as we type? We cruised the Midlands for 18 months on ours a while back and intend getting back on the Cut again as soon as we can afford it.
Regards,
Vintagent
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Hi Vintagent and All
Just to use the spoon a bit ,
Cost wise keep low but good ( A Scotsman at heart ;) )
Hobbyking 2.4Ghz
Hobby King 2.4Ghz 4Ch Tx & Rx (Mode 2) 26.95
Hobby King 2.4Ghz Receiver 6Ch X 2 12.74 = 25.48
Turnigy 1450mAh 3S 11.1v Transmitter Lipoly 7.51
Hobby King Battery Monitor 3S 3.99
63.93
Shipment 30.52
$ 94.45 ( 1.47 ) = £ 64.25 the LOT !
Over ten Hobbyking / Turborix units in our club and more Ordered ok2 ok2
PS
6 Chanel unit add $ 6.00 Eg. £ 4.09 :-))
Timo2
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One of my sons was visiting us at the weekend, and he liked the Hobby King 2.4Ghz radio so much that he ordered one on Saturday, and had it in his hot little hands by Wednesday, in Sydney. His is the 4 Channel version which has servo reversing switches on the front of the Tx like a "normal" radio, so it's not necessary to have a PC to modify the setup. One other disadvantage to these cheap radios is that they don't come with a manual, although it's easy to download one from the internet. Also, there were no instructions on how to "bind" the receiver to the transmitter, but a quick look at the Hobby King web site soon has this sorted.
I bought some low self discharge (LSD) 2200 Mah NiMh batteries from Hobby King instead of using dry cells. A Futaba charger can be used to charge the batteries while they are in the transmitter.
Peter.
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Timo2,
Thirty quid postage!!!!????
Two receivers with 6 functions. Why?
If you want this stuff, are you saying there are no dealers in your own country?
Also, you need a charger, presumably and ESCs on top of that lot. I admit, though that the cost of the basic R/C gear is almost unrealistically cheap and must be tempting if you are starting from having no gear at all.
For family and political reasons I try not to buy Eastern gear, though it is almost impossible not to and improving exponentially in quality.
For younger people I can see why it appeals.
But I remember when Britain had an industry. Nuff said.
Thanks for the explanations on the new stuff, gents. I now feel I wouldn't be too embarrassed should I ever find myself in one of Britain's disappearing model shops.
I might make all I can, but I still get a buzz from standing amongst all the goodies!
Regards,
Vintagent
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Hi Vintagent
it,s Dollar not Pounds. the parcel is 1.5 kg 7 =10 days air mail .
Some members order 1 TX plus 12 RX units
The standard order is 1 TX = 3 RX ( 2 boat power 1 Sail )
Timo2
P.S.
Best boat ESC are ACTion units
You have a PM
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OK, I'm seeing the need for bigger orders if the min. is 3.
There's me thinking you need two Rxs in one boat!
I guess for air freight of that weight, thirty dollars is reasonable.
PM received, but I saw it too late.
Left a message.
Vintagent
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Yes effectively an unlimited number of boats on 2.4GHz can operate omn the same pond. Actually the limit is probably 80 (the number of channels on 2.4GHz). The transmitter chooses its own clear channel to transmit on so will never use a channel on which it detects another signal.
I thought the newer equipment used 'spread spectrum' technology which effectively means no limit to the number of TXs on-air at the same time? Is that not so?
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All 2.4 giggling moggies radios use spread spectrum channel hopping, you'd be very hard pressed to find one that can't. On the Dx6i you have the option to stick to some preset frequencies, but it's still hopping across them and theres a few hundred of them, too. Using this system means that if radio contact is lost, it's very quickly regained.
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just blew a 2-4 receiver up, very spectacular""""!!!!!
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How? :o
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Pictures! :}
The usual way of ka-BANG-ing a receiver is to get the red and black (or buff and brown wires interchanged - it can be pretty spectacular!
-Rob
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new receiver, bound it outside the boat, fitted into boat with a 15a sea rover speed controller, a turborix 2.54 receiver and a futaba servo for the rudder. connected the 6v battery with becs to power it all held receiver and turned on tx then hit the power button and bang in my hand!!! Blew the speedcontroller, stripped the servo gears and blew the receiver. stripped it all out, put a mtronik 15a speedcontroller, same 6v battery,new 3001 servo and hey presto, it works!!! no idea what caused it, all connectors and wire's were correct!
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I have a problem with my Turborix 6 chnl. I can get it to work fine on Chnls. 1,2,3 &4. 5 & 6 will only work if mixed with another chnl. Is there any possibility of chnls. 5 & 6 working independently? I am using it in ACRO and mode 2. I look forward to some help. Regards to all Martin Cross
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I have a problem with my Turborix 6 chnl. I can get it to work fine on Chnls. 1,2,3 &4. 5 & 6 will only work if mixed with another chnl. Is there any possibility of chnls. 5 & 6 working independently? I am using it in ACRO and mode 2. I look forward to some help. Regards to all Martin Cross
Hi Martin,
if memory serves correctly, you need to remove the default mixing assignment first, then assign the channels to the Switches/VR's (I think SW1/SW2 and VRA/VRB).
Note that only the VR's will give a full range of servo movement - assigning to the switches produces only a minimal amount, no doubt enough for a switching device.
HTH,
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For those that find the factory T6 software unfathomable, this:
http://www.sgr.info/usbradio/default.htm
is rather good....
...and quite a bit prettier too :-)
-Rob
Hi all
Try this software much better to use :-))
Timo2
P.S. so easy to set up all channels and set servo movement