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Dry Dock / Shipyard: Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: VIVALDI on April 11, 2009, 09:47:51 PM

Title: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 11, 2009, 09:47:51 PM
Hello,

    at the request of nhp651, here's a summary in pictures of the scratchbuild of the trawler VIVALDI of Lorient. The scale is 1/13th the dimensions 1M75X0M52. It weighs 82 Kilos. The model is covered with aluminum. The propeller pitch is personal design.
If seen have any questions, try to answer within the limits of my English.

More photos here: http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/spip.php?article1


KÚnavo, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 11, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
Here is photos of the built of the propeller of the model of the trawler Vivaldi. It's a controlable pitch propeller that I built entirely.

You can see the different stages of construction here: http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/spip.php?article17

KÚnavo, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: crzydoyle11 on April 11, 2009, 10:48:34 PM
That is a great job" when looking at the some of the pictures I cannot tell if it is the real boat, or just the model that is very nice job.  :-))
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: andygh on April 11, 2009, 10:51:58 PM
WOW  :o
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: tonyH on April 11, 2009, 10:52:41 PM
That really is a great job! The aluminium work is superb. Congratulations!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 11, 2009, 10:57:32 PM
thanks philippe,
 i am mesmorised every time i look at it.
it is just beautiful.
neil. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 11, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
Fantastic!   :-))
 ..... I'm giving up model boat building...... again!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: awvs on April 11, 2009, 11:58:09 PM
Simply stunning!

Wilhelm
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: ggeorge on April 12, 2009, 02:26:05 AM
  Verry impressive.

  G. George
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: oldiron on April 12, 2009, 03:10:13 AM
Awe inspiring !!

John
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Bunkerbarge on April 12, 2009, 07:08:04 AM
Beautiful machinery, that propeller is really a work of art, but to be able to do that as well as build the bridge to such a stunning level of detail is a rare combination. 

Stunning, I think I'm going to take up baking, or knitting, or go into a corner and polish my motorbike.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 12, 2009, 08:40:33 AM
Thank you for all your compliments! You make me blush! :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

This building was a good experience. Long, but very pleasant!
  I had so much fun to make this boat with this technique, which I will repeat with another trawler. It is called  STIREN AR MOR. It is a 16-meter trawler that will scale 1/15. Do not try this boat in a port, because this boat is completely out of my imagination and that of my eldest son Yohann. Yohann is fisherman at the port of Le Croisic(France) and skipp time to time the trawler "MABON II".This project trawler that we developed together, is the boat he would build if he created his company. At the moment, I draw the plans and construction could start in 2 months. The boat will be built with the same plating process as aluminum as the Vivaldi, with a controlable pitch propeller that I realize
I'll show you pictures of the work throughout construction.


In the first picture, here is the design of the project. The model will have the same colors. And another picts of the VIVALDI.

KÚnavo, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 12, 2009, 09:44:20 AM
It's a shame to cover all that beautiful minature engineering up with paint work, but when you are looking at the photos of the winch deck she really does look like the real ship and not a minature creation.
Absolutely beautiful, Philippe. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Xtian29 on April 12, 2009, 12:02:55 PM
Hello

 :o Vivaldi you are here ?

I  know well this masterpiece, this miracle, as the first sea trial took place at home, on my personnal pond named Porz Bihan (Little harbour in breton language)

As I have a covered part and an electrical lift with 200kg capacity, it was a very good help to check and to make adjustement to the variable pitch propeller as the boat need to be out of water, in water, out of water, in water ....

In fact the main problem with this boat in my home pond was the smell of fish  >>:-(  she's a trawler and I'm only works with tugboat   
   
Of course it's humour  :embarrassed:

Some pics taken at that time

 (http://nsa06.casimages.com/img/2009/04/12/0904121255446062.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa06.casimages.com/img/2009/04/12/090412125709864045.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa06.casimages.com/img/2009/04/12/090412125750690487.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

Hoping to see you soon.

A+ Xtian



 
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: DickyD on April 12, 2009, 12:35:52 PM
The boat is really beautiful but I want that pond, its excellent.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: ronkh on April 12, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
Fantastic!   :-))
 ..... I'm giving up model boat building...... again!
Martin, I might join you.
 
Beautiful is an understatement.

Ron.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 12, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
Oh for a back garden like that,

never mind the skills to build such a model as Vivali has..............i  think if I did that in my back garden my wife'd divorce me and the kids would have me sectioned...... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 12, 2009, 06:19:19 PM
Quote
In fact the main problem with this boat in my home pond was the smell of fish


Xtian to thank you for allowing me to do testing of the propeller and to see the model for the first time in the water!
Even if it's a "boat that smell of fish", his eyes betraying his addiction for trawlers (see pics following). He does not want it be known ...  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: O0 O0


These tests allowed me to see the need for the engine is powered by 9V. 12 V is much too powerful. While sailing, the electric engine always runs at the same speed, and only the tilt of the blades gives the appearance to the vessel. For a correct speed, I only use 40% of the inclination of the blades, leaving a lot of power in reserve to go up a high current for example.

The pics below are proof of that  Xtian like fishing vessels ... ok2 ok2  %% (pics taken in Pors Bihan)
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: hama on April 13, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
Anybody know of a nice hobby they can recommend, cause I quite! OK, only joking but this is just too much. What a nice boat, it really looks like photos from a real vessel being built. And that pond! Congratulations to both of you!
Hama.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: DickyD on April 13, 2009, 07:58:10 PM
Oh for a back garden like that,

never mind the skills to build such a model as Vivali has..............i  think if I did that in my back garden my wife'd divorce me and the kids would have me sectioned...... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Let the wife and kids go Neil, we'll all keep you company.  ok2
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: FishdockBob on April 15, 2009, 08:01:45 AM
Absolutely jawdropping, it just looks amazing in the water. Jealous me never  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Garabaldy on April 15, 2009, 07:48:10 PM
i like the pond aswell as the boats.  By the looks of it even if its pouring with rain you can stand under the shelter and have a wee sail!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: ggeorge on April 17, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Hi Vivaldi,
  A outstanding work of engineering and craftmanship. The use of aluminum I really like. I have used lots of brass which I solder and would be interested in what bonding material is used on the aluminum.

  G. George
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 25, 2009, 07:04:45 AM
Hi ggeorge,

     Aluminium is stuck, with an industrial product used in aeronautics, which is a paste, and which is preserved at the freezer. Failing this, one can use the epoxy one with two components. It is besides the process which I will use for the next model that I will build, "Stiren Ar Mor". .
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 25, 2009, 10:44:45 PM
wow!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: More Coffee on April 25, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
If i could build like that ,,out right quit my day job ...

That is Museum quality beyond any reasonable doubt.. :-))

Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: emspaul on April 27, 2009, 11:35:28 PM
You have shone some outstanding brass work!

Moderated
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 28, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
You have shone some outstanding brass work!
Now if that can be made in 1/96th scale .
Who wants to try?
Paul


Vous avez brillÚ un certain travail en laiton exceptionnel ! Maintenant si cela peut ŕtre fait dans la 1/96th balance. Qui veut essayer ? Paul


hello,

 >>:-( >>:-(   This is not correct to take advantage of a topic to advertise your business, especially to military models that have absolutely nothing to do with models of trawlers. If you want to advertise, open another topic, but just do not pollute this subject, thank you. nhp651 asked me to open a topic to present the trawler VIVALDI, and nothing else, and certainly not the promotion of a company!  >:-o

English french translator you are using is not understandable. {:-{

@, Philippe
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Proteus on April 28, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
You have shone some outstanding brass work!
Now if that can be made in 1/96th scale .
Who wants to try?
Paul

Vous avez brillÚ un certain travail en laiton exceptionnel ! Maintenant si cela peut ŕtre fait dans la 1/96th balance. Qui veut essayer ? Paul


hello,

 >>:-( >>:-(   This is not correct to take advantage of a topic to advertise your business, especially to military models that have absolutely nothing to do with models of trawlers. If you want to advertise, open another topic, but just do not pollute this subject, thank you. nhp651 asked me to open a topic to present the trawler VIVALDI, and nothing else, and certainly not the promotion of a company!  >:-o

English french translator you are using is not understandable. {:-{

@, Philippe


I  agree this is getting a bit much this advertising .

Proteus

Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 28, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
here here, phillipe.
could the moderators or martin please remove the advert, and we can just concentrate on phillipes beautiful work.
thanks.
neil.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Jerome Morris on April 28, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Philippe, You sir, are a master in the field of building with aluminum. And a beautiful fishing trawler you have built.
 I look forward to the next vessel from your hands.
 One question. The paste you use. Is it to stick the aluminum to the wood frame, or aluminum to aluminum?
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: ronkh on April 28, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
You have shone some outstanding brass work!
Now if that can be made in 1/96th scale .
Who wants to try?
Paul


Vous avez brillÚ un certain travail en laiton exceptionnel ! Maintenant si cela peut ŕtre fait dans la 1/96th balance. Qui veut essayer ? Paul

You can still click on to the web site! I think you will need to modify the whole lot to remove the "free advertisment".
Lovely build Vivaldi.

Ron.


hello,

 >>:-( >>:-(   This is not correct to take advantage of a topic to advertise your business, especially to military models that have absolutely nothing to do with models of trawlers. If you want to advertise, open another topic, but just do not pollute this subject, thank you. nhp651 asked me to open a topic to present the trawler VIVALDI, and nothing else, and certainly not the promotion of a company!  >:-o

English french translator you are using is not understandable. {:-{

@, Philippe
I haven't quite put the above on correctly but I believe you can see what I mean. The site is still accessible.
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: DickyD on April 28, 2009, 06:14:34 PM
He puts that web site address on all his postings  >>:-(
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: The long Build on April 28, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
I can't see anything wrong with the posting ,
 
"You have shone some outstanding brass work!
Now if that can be made in 1/96th scale .
Who wants to try?"


if you look at all the posts by emspaul they all pretty well have that signature on , and wasn't advertising as such. There are a lot of members on here who could have replied who also have their business addy in their Signature.
(might be better to have the www site in the signature area rather than the main text granted)

And I have to agree with Paul , what a work of art..  I to also would like that test tank by the house. 

Larry
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 28, 2009, 07:56:14 PM
I can't see anything wrong with the posting ,
 
"You have shone some outstanding brass work!
Now if that can be made in 1/96th scale .
Who wants to try?"


if you look at all the posts by emspaul they all pretty well have that signature on , and wasn't advertising as such. There are a lot of members on here who could have replied who also have their business addy in their Signature.
(might be better to have the www site in the signature area rather than the main text granted)

And I have to agree with Paul , what a work of art..  I to also would like that test tank by the house. 

Larry

 I thank you for your comments everyone!  :-)) O0

Then, I do not agree!  >>:-(

First, it is a deviation from the topic. We are talking about french trawler, and that person presents warships. And I may offend the world, but I hated warships!  <*< <*<

Secondly, he introduced a commercial site! This is not innocent!  :P

   If this should happen again, so I prefer that the administrator removes the topic and my name on the forum.  :-X




  I do not want to serve as a springboard for any commercial website. >:-o

I work with a manufacturer of fittings for model boats, and never on a forum I would advertise for him, because a forum should be a space to discuss, and not a way to promote any action commercial.



It's my opinion! You may not share, but if it should be allowed a practice I do not post here anymore. :-X :-X :-X

I hope that despite my English not perfect, you understand me! {:-{ :D :embarrassed:

@+, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 28, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
it would be a sad loss to us all, vivaldi if you were to stop posting on this site. have a word with martin and tell him how you feel,
neil. :-))
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Roger in France on April 29, 2009, 06:47:01 AM
VIVALDI,

Martin and we Moderators understand how you feel.

Unfortunately Mayhem is being used by a number of folk who want to promote their own interests. We attempt to eliminate them as soon as we see their efforts and we very much appreciate any Member using the "Report to Moderator" button to draw our attention to something we have missed.

We have tightened the Sales Rules to make it clear that a Member or a Trader cannot get away with abusing this Site.

Votre anglais c'est bien. Nous vous comprend tres bien, merci. (Translation as required by Mayhem Rules: "Your English is OK. We understand you very well, thank you").

Roger in France

Moderator
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: nhp651 on April 29, 2009, 08:19:58 AM
roger, could you therefore remove the links to the offending threads, for Vivaldi's peace of mind.
after all, less offending sections HAVE been removed before on many occasions.
neil  :-))
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 29, 2009, 11:27:46 AM
I would like to thank the team of the forum for their fast intervention!  :-))

 OK, for me the incident is closed...


+, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 29, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
phillipe, A am intrigued at the V/P screws, have you got any pictures of how you made them work?
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 29, 2009, 06:34:06 PM
phillipe, A am intrigued at the V/P screws, have you got any pictures of how you made them work?

 Please Ghost in the shell, could you tell me what screws you mentioned (V/P????), I did not understand, sorry!

If I know what we are talking, I put a picture, no problems ;)

@+, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: DickyD on April 29, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
I think he means variable pitch propellers. You will have to excuse ghosty, we are still trying to teach him English  ;)
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: Roger in France on April 29, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
If it helps......the French for "propellor" is "helice" with an accent on the "e" which i am too lazy to go through the multiple steps to find on an English keyboard!

Roger in France
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: craftysod on April 29, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
Vivaldi refered it as controlable pitch prop,if that helps.
Superb built boat
Mark
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: wbeedie on April 29, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
VIVALDI on no account are you allowed to leave this site,I have shown many people the photographs of this build  and at first most people thought it was a Full size trawler and thay were astounded by the amount of detail  that has been put into this masterpiece which I would compare to the work that was put into the Cistine Chapel excuse the spelling
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 29, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
if you speak English with an accent, how would you like me to understand!  {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed:

 Here is the link of the build of the "hÚlice Ó pas variable" (in french language). You can see how i made screws :

lien en franšais:

http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/spip.php?article17

link in english :

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26hs%3DG6K%26sa%3DG

if you want to be patient in the coming months I'll show you how I work on these parts in the topic:

Prototype trawler "Stiren Ar Mor"   http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16680.0
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on April 29, 2009, 08:49:58 PM
VIVALDI on no account are you allowed to leave this site,I have shown many people the photographs of this build  and at first most people thought it was a Full size trawler and thay were astounded by the amount of detail  that has been put into this masterpiece which I would compare to the work that was put into the Cistine Chapel excuse the spelling


Thank you for all the messages of praise.

if I come here, this is just to show you how I work and want to share my scratchbuild technics.

I have no desire to leave, but I simply ask you to ask your questions in English that I can understand, thank you! ;)

Thank you to those who help me understand some messages! :-)) O0

@+, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on September 08, 2009, 07:47:54 AM
Hello,

  The model club of Brest (France, Britanny) will attend the International Model Boat Show on 6, 7 & 8 November 2009 at Warwick. The models of Vivaldi and the Galaxy will be present. I hope to meet some of you during this weekend!

KÚnavo!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: MCAT on December 02, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
Vivaldi

I was at warwick this year. I said to my friends one of those models on the french stand should get best in show,
supprised they didnot a third I believe

I have only just found this posting. after seeing how these are built and the skill used in many aspects of modeling   
you guys without doubt are some of the best,  I also saw you there the year before with a part built tug.
it is nice of you to take the trouble to travel over to the show and I know it is greatly appreciated by many people.

see you all next year I hope

Mick
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on December 03, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Hello,

Mick, we are very pleased to be third. It is a great result, with the quality of some models exposed!

Thank you for your appreciation.

And thank's to all the modelers for their hospitality and kindness.

I will certainly return (now that I know the way!  :-)) ok2). I dont know when exactly, but I will return it on! And hopefully with more models... ok2

KÚnavo, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: ajb68 on December 04, 2009, 09:30:38 AM
Your trawler is far beyond what i could ever hope to achieve , it is a real masterclass in model making  O0
The french fishermen do have some very nice looking vessels and it is nice to see a model of one built with such a degree of perfection , keep up the good work  O0 :-))

Andy
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: VIVALDI on January 26, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
Below are the last pieces that I made on the trawler model of Vivaldi.

These is trawl door. Fully brass brazed to the silver and soldered with tin.

The first picture shows trawl door on the true trawler.

KÚnavo, Philippe!
Title: Re: French Trawler VIVALDI.
Post by: DickyD on January 26, 2010, 06:21:23 PM
Great piece of work.