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Title: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 03:22:30 pm
It's been a while in the making, but my Algerine Class Minesweeper arrived today. What a model it is too, lovely hull plating details and the positions for various parts are moulded into the hull too. Quite heavily laid up, so it's very strong. Doesn't fit in the bath though...

Paul and his wife at Sirmar are stars too, they have been very nice people to talk to throughout.

Still, enough of this, I've got a model to make!

Andy :-))
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 13, 2009, 03:49:18 pm
You been on here long enough Andy, wherz da photos?
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 04:09:46 pm
Oh ok then...

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3615-1.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3620.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3619.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3617.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3622.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3616.jpg)
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: dan on May 13, 2009, 05:17:03 pm
thats a nice looking hull.


Paul and his wife at Sirmar are stars too, they have been very nice people to talk to throughout.



i couldnt agree more, i have always found paul very kind and useful to talk to  O0
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: nhp651 on May 13, 2009, 05:51:17 pm
what scale is it andy,  :-))
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 05:57:17 pm
1:48th, puts it at 57 inches long. Wanted to build this because my Grandad served on HMS Sylvia in the Mediterranean.

http://www.sirmarmodelships.com/showship.asp?ID=36
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: nhp651 on May 13, 2009, 06:04:43 pm
cheers andy.
is your grandad still alive.
i have a friend who is a member of the "Algerine Society".
he speeks highly of the ships and men he served with.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 06:07:03 pm
He is yes, he was the one who encouraged me to build it, and seems to have decided to fund the build too.

He can't remember much of the details of it, but has many stories.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: chingdevil on May 13, 2009, 06:31:41 pm
Andy

That looks a nice hull, need to see plenty of pictures of the build, will it be ready for Wicksteed {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)



Brian
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 06:36:42 pm
I don't even think it'll be ready for Llanberis by the looks of things... Spare time is about to be lost as I'm looking for a job to pay for this rather expensive hobby...
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: TCC on May 13, 2009, 06:55:32 pm
Is there a waste strip along the top of the hull you have to cut off? It looks really rough along the top in that shot down the hull's side.

Cheers
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: nhp651 on May 13, 2009, 07:23:58 pm
ask him if he ever came accross a guy called Stan Cheatham.
he served in the med and the far east.
neil.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 07:29:42 pm
ask him if he ever came accross a guy called Stan Cheatham.

I will do, but I doubt he will have

Is there a waste strip along the top of the hull you have to cut off? It looks really rough along the top in that shot down the hull's side.

There is yes, is there an easier way to remove it? So far I've been cutting glassfibre with a razor saw or fine toothed hacksaw and it's taken ages....
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: oldiron on May 13, 2009, 07:34:24 pm

Is there a waste strip along the top of the hull you have to cut off? It looks really rough along the top in that shot down the hull's side.

There is yes, is there an easier way to remove it? So far I've been cutting glassfibre with a razor saw or fine toothed hacksaw and it's taken ages....
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  I use a fiberglass reinforced cutoff wheel in a Dremel tool. Cuts like a knife through butter. Just take it easy and be watchful of kick back.

John
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 07:38:36 pm
Oh dear now I need to buy a dremel too...

I'll borrow Bill's actually

Thanks for that
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: gingyer on May 13, 2009, 08:42:45 pm
cut off wheels and hacksaws  >>:-( >>:-(

there is a cracking tool I use for this a Block plane
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/20388/Hand-Tools/Wood-Chisels-Planes/Planes/Stanley-Surform-Block-Plane (http://www.screwfix.com/prods/20388/Hand-Tools/Wood-Chisels-Planes/Planes/Stanley-Surform-Block-Plane)

It makes it a much neater job and it will be evenly cut off the excess GRP. If you fitter your deck then inside then you can plane back until it is
flush

It is a cracking hull you have I got the full Clyde semi kit from Paul and it is a cracker I am really pleased with it
and would recommend it to anyone. I need to clear some build space then I am going to get going with the build
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 09:04:37 pm
I have one of those somewhere, I'll give it a try on some scrap GF
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DARLEK1 on May 13, 2009, 11:01:49 pm
THE REASON FOR THE WASTE STRIP :o
 Too many people in the past have complained that a hull has been trimmed too low and so on. This does not happen now if I can help it! It also helps protect a hull during shipping etc.

 Get a life TCC! And thank you very much Andy, sorry it took so long, it's the same with everything these days, I do have another job and this "other job" I have, takes me away week by week by 20 hours as it is weather dependant, in the mean time I work my " Censored " off for my customers and I would like to say what a loyal bunch they are! :-)) Keep it comming lads, before the 20 hours turns out to be 72

 Paul, AKA, SIRMAR!
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 13, 2009, 11:05:09 pm
the other reason for the "roughness", blame the dog (see pic2), looks like its taking a bite!

in all seriousness, if this is like any of Sirmars other hulls, there won;t be a problem
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 11:14:02 pm
THE REASON FOR THE WASTE STRIP :o
 Too many people in the past have complained that a hull has been trimmed too low and so on. This does not happen now if I can help it! It also helps protect a hull during shipping etc.

 Get a life TCC! And thank you very much Andy, sorry it took so long, it's the same with everything these days, I do have another job and this "other job" I have, takes me away week by week by 20 hours as it is weather dependant, in the mean time I work my " Censored " off for my customers and I would like to say what a loyal bunch they are! :-)) Keep it comming lads, before the 20 hours turns out to be 72

 Paul, AKA, SIRMAR!

I don't mind the waste strip at all mate, all adds to the whole experiance of building the model.

And to be honest it couldn't have come at a more conveniant time really, because during the time it was on order I've finished off my multi and got it going like stink, and got the Z Class race out of the way, so the decks are cleared and it now has free space of the workbench :-))

My nan has rather genorously decided she's going to give me money towards the building of the model, as this is what my Grandad served on, so next up will be the running gear, and after that the odd fitting or two.

Keep up the excellent work :-))

Andy :-) (One very satisfied customer)
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: TCC on May 13, 2009, 11:36:25 pm
Get a life TCC!

????????

Jeez... you can't even ask a questin.

I'll follow you're advice and leave you with the suggestion that if you don't want people commenting on the looks of the 'waste' areas, that you smarten such areas up.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: The long Build on May 13, 2009, 11:41:42 pm
Get a life TCC!
I'll follow you're advice and leave you with the suggestion that if you don't want people commenting on the looks of the 'waste' areas, that you smarten such areas up.

What would be the point of smartening up a waste area which will be cut away ??
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 13, 2009, 11:42:36 pm
just a question, why smarten up something that get cuts off and slung, just doesnt make sence.  be like Graupner putting nice filed edges onto the vacform, then saying "cut that off".  or polishing and valleting a car, just to send it to the breakers yard.  

if its scrap material on there to be sacrificial material for transit, then it dont matter what it looks like,  I had to cut off 2" deep sections of the scrap on Najade.  
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 13, 2009, 11:43:24 pm
oh TLB, looks like you beat be tio the same thing
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: The long Build on May 13, 2009, 11:44:48 pm
oh TLB, looks like you beat be tio the same thing

You were a bit more artistic. :}
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 13, 2009, 11:50:33 pm
oh TLB, looks like you beat be tio the same thing

You were a bit more artistic. :}

oh.
 
the hull does look somewhat thick though, which is a good thing as its going to be tough. 
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 13, 2009, 11:55:35 pm
The hull looks to be around three layers, which is ample for me, takes away the feeling of flimsyness you get with some models

It's going to weigh a ton anyway with batteries in, so the hull weight is immaterial.

I'm thinking ACTion ESC's and sound systems, with Mark's Foggy unit in it to boot...
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: The long Build on May 13, 2009, 11:57:16 pm
Wheres the dog going ?
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 14, 2009, 12:01:45 am
by the looks of it larry, straight to the stern section to take a bite
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 14, 2009, 12:06:49 am
The dog is currently lying upsidedown on the floor, paws spread out, snoring.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DARLEK1 on May 14, 2009, 12:16:12 am
OK Lads, I know TCC has been having a "pop" at me here and there, do not turn this in to another Mayhem argument please!

 The" boy"  TCC, Is obviously confused, I am not the only maker that leaves a waste strip and as has been said by others, why should it need to be cleaned up if it is going to get cut off anyway?

 Paul... %) :o
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 14, 2009, 12:31:17 am
You definately aren't the only one, Bernard Holder does for a start (makes the very popular Magnum and Crusader OMRA racing boats, has about an ich around the deck to hull seam sticking out).

I fancied building something for a change of pace, Sunday mornings are always so hectic so thursday afternoons are for a laze about. This suits perfectly.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DickyD on May 14, 2009, 08:13:34 am
Caldercraft have to be trimmed off too, I thought this was an accepted way of selling hulls.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: nhp651 on May 14, 2009, 08:52:22 am
I am not the only maker that leaves a waste strip and as has been said by others

It's standard practice, on mouldings Paul, and to anyone else.

Moulders like it because the master mould and plug are built that way so that the eventual builder doesn't have a weak edge to glue deck and such too, and so that the bulwarks aren't left with little air holes and flaking gell coat on the edge of  them.

If someone is moaning about trimming, perhaps they should stick to airfix and revelle?? %% {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Proteus on May 14, 2009, 11:35:16 am
some people don't always use the hull for the model they where sold for, they do a varyant of it that may need a bit more hight in some areas, i think Dickie did one recently that I bet he wished there had been a bit more to cut of, also the hulls seem to be a bit more uniform if you have scrap at the top that has to be removed as they can be a bit thick the last few mill or even thin.

can we just give credit to a manufacturer who is doing a good job foe a change. <*<

Proteus
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 14, 2009, 11:40:37 am
You still have to trim Revell and Airfix...

And yes we are praising the manufacturer, I am thoroughly satisfied with my hull, and the chairman at our club has a fair few of Paul's models too, and he too is very happy with them. Ignore any criticism Paul, you are doing a superb job. :-))

A little proof of trim off, on the back of a Crusader race boat - Moulded by Bernard Holder.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3623.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3624.jpg)
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DickyD on May 14, 2009, 02:43:15 pm
some people don't always use the hull for the model they where sold for, they do a varyant of it that may need a bit more hight in some areas, i think Dickie did one recently that I bet he wished there had been a bit more to cut of, also the hulls seem to be a bit more uniform if you have scrap at the top that has to be removed as they can be a bit thick the last few mill or even thin.

can we just give credit to a manufacturer who is doing a good job foe a change. <*<

Proteus
Very observant Proteus, you are right and I had forgotten, it was my tramp steamer where I had to raise the height of the hull.  :-))

A lot of our club members have Pauls hulls and are very pleased with them, in fact our club chairman has several,
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Rex Hunt on May 14, 2009, 04:58:41 pm
Slogging away at Paul's Hermes at the moment
(build on Modelwarships Uk site)and I cannot knock it!

Sturdy hull, good thickness, easy to trim to line using Dremel and 'cut off' wheel
(I used the diamond sintered type..........no sweat...but loadsa dust!)

Being a multi part mould there were also a few surface lines to rub down.........

Guess it is one of those things that makes a modeller a modeller, and a kit maker a 'toymaker'!   ;D

(removes tongue from corner of cheek)

Keep up the good work Paul!

(have you considered moulding the aircraft in clear resin?) :-))

Rex
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 14, 2009, 06:10:17 pm
clear resin arcaft wiould be good as then the xclear canopioes would be clear, not needed to be painted silver
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DARLEK1 on May 14, 2009, 11:54:47 pm
Thank you all very much guys, I just do my best with what I have, clear resin, I am experimenting with that. There are many new things about to happen, but, one bit at a time as it is. Things take time!

 I see you guys sank TCC pretty quickly and thank you for that! None of us UK or good US manufacturers need any bad feed back at this present time, if you want us we are here, all this keeps us going right now, otherwise you may lose your hobby in the end and I for one am not speaking alone!

 Paul...
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 15, 2009, 12:00:08 am
not a problem paul. 

Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Rex Hunt on May 15, 2009, 04:27:14 pm
My trouble is.....I speaks as I finds!

Put me down for a trial Wasp mate!!!!!

Rex
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 15, 2009, 05:18:44 pm
Paul, could you please email me some detail shots of the finished model? Ta O0
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 15, 2009, 10:52:50 pm
Slogging away at Paul's Hermes at the moment
(build on Modelwarships Uk site)and I cannot knock it!

Sturdy hull, good thickness, easy to trim to line using Dremel and 'cut off' wheel
(I used the diamond sintered type..........no sweat...but loadsa dust!)

Being a multi part mould there were also a few surface lines to rub down.........

Guess it is one of those things that makes a modeller a modeller, and a kit maker a 'toymaker'!   ;D

(removes tongue from corner of cheek)

Keep up the good work Paul!

(have you considered moulding the aircraft in clear resin?) :-))

Rex

you probably could knock it, but in doing so you may hurt yout knuckles.  not recomended
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: TCC on May 15, 2009, 11:49:02 pm
OK Lads, I know TCC has been having a "pop" at me here and there, do not turn this in to another Mayhem argument please!

 The" boy"  TCC, Is obviously confused, I am not the only maker that leaves a waste strip and as has been said by others, why should it need to be cleaned up if it is going to get cut off anyway?

 Paul... %) :o

I suggest you re-read my post as a question... 'Is that a waste strip along the top? as it looks too rough to be part of the hull proper'

I swear to god it must be the fumes...

TCC... who's gone to find a life.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: TCC on May 16, 2009, 02:11:01 am
OK Lads, I know TCC has been having a "pop" at me here and there, do not turn this in to another Mayhem argument please!

 The" boy"  TCC, Is obviously confused, I am not the only maker that leaves a waste strip and as has been said by others, why should it need to be cleaned up if it is going to get cut off anyway?

 Paul... %) :o
Why are you so touchy? it's a waste area that gets cut off, why throw the toys out the pram?


.... and what's with the having a pop crack? If ypoou're selling goods to people, you should be able to stand behind them 100% and be able to defend your output... not attack anyone who dares mention the 'rough' word. Frankly, it's looks rough as it's a trick of the light... I can see that.... it's a biot that gets cut off so it doesn't need to be smooth, I can see that. I can't understand why a seemingly innocuous comment lit the touchpaper.

But I think the reactions says a lot about you. Is this how you behave whenever you imagine unwanted 'feedback' is swirling about your output? It says loads about you, buddy.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: DARLEK1 on May 16, 2009, 12:49:17 pm
like the little snipes you have been having at me matey! The 105 foot mine sweeper to mention just one!
 You can send me abusive pms all you want like you just have, I can't understand why you have got such a weed up your back side!

 Paul... >:-o
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Bunkerbarge on May 16, 2009, 01:11:11 pm
OK Gents, I don't really want to lock this because it is generally a very constructive thread but can we keep the posts positive?  I would suggest that anyone with an axe to grind say thier piece via PM's rather than trying to score points in public.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 16, 2009, 01:57:22 pm
Good call there BB.

I have nothing but positive comments about Paul's Hull he has sold me. It will keep me with something to do for a good long time. I am currently at my Grandads house and have shown him the hull, he is just as pleased as I am.

Negative comments are not needed about such a superb retailer, espescially in a thread entitled 'message of thanks'. I don't see how anyone can find fault about him, he is such a helpful and friendly gent.

Please go ahead and lock the thread if you feel the need to. I will be posting a build log anyway.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: Ghost in the shell on May 16, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
Andy, turn this into the build log.

only reason I wouldn't build a sirmar is I'm probably not experience enough to tackle one, and wouldnt want to ruin it.
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: The long Build on May 16, 2009, 07:11:07 pm

Hey Paul you never gave me that much waste area to play with on the 45 and Orkney , I feel Cheated   <:( :}
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: gingyer on May 16, 2009, 07:28:39 pm
Andy, turn this into the build log.

only reason I wouldn't build a sirmar is I'm probably not experience enough to tackle one, and wouldnt want to ruin it.

Ghost try the 105Ft Minesweeper a really nice wee boat and simple to build  :-))
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: andyn on May 16, 2009, 09:38:36 pm
Just been given a cheque to cover the propshafts & rudders pack, along with couplings and motor mounts, and some ply for the deck and superstructure. At this rate we should progress rather well :-))
Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: TCC on May 17, 2009, 06:38:13 am
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Title: Re: Message of thanks - Sirmar Models
Post by: chingdevil on May 17, 2009, 06:52:29 am
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