Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: Colin Bishop on May 29, 2009, 08:03:08 pm
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Stern of P&O Ventura at Southampton today. Can things get any worse?
Colin
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Prpbably, but what an awful looking thing. Looks like they've taken a 50 seater coach, stuffed a bow on it and some fancy pyramids on top, blown the whole thing up 8 or 9 times and called it a cruise liner. Floating hell hole more like.
Doug
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The smoke stack looks like something out of an oil refinery - probably consumes as much as well
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And just look at that buff bit intended to make the "funnel area" look a bit P&O'y. It's just wire netting by the look of it. They didn't want something solid which would add wind resistance.
And just imagine the queues when it calls at somewhere like Villefranche where everyone has to go ashore by tender. But of course they don't really want you to go ashore when you could be spending your money in the indoor shopping mall.
Colin
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Looks like they reversed it into the word's biggest brick wall...
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I think the white bits at the back are just butresses to stop all the cabins sliding into the sea....
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Please let them meet an iceberg and do us all a favour,
Brick walls have more shape, or is it just me {:-{
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The modern approach to cruise ship design seems to be to design a shopping mall, attach cabins with balconies to the outside and then mount the whole shebang onto a powered barge so it can dodge inclement weather.
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That is plain ugly from any angle
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Uurgggggggghhhh
I look at my lounge wall with ship prints of the greats (in my opinion) White Star, Cunard etc---- up to QE2) -----
Ekkk, big white things, still someone must love them ( accountants I'm guessing) >>:-(
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Well, there is a superb model of the old Queen Mary in the nearby Maritime Museum.
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I suppose the people on it don't notice how horrible it is. They sit on their own little balconies looking out over the waves, little realising that to anyone on the outside, they look like prisoners in Cell Block H.
The "right folks, you've got 2 hours to see Venice" approach to exploration never really does it for me!
Everyone to their own ......
Danny
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As said if you are inboard it is probaly the best thing since sliced bread, but it is what the market wants, a comfortable/affordable floating hotel/intertainment experience. Also it is providing work for some British Officers, there is very little else left on the British registry nowadays and the credit crunch has hit shipping very hard world wide so it is at least making maritime work for a lucky few.
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Looks like she's made of plastic. I hope she has large rudders, as with that massive amount of freeboard, I'd bet she could sail faster side ways with a thwartships breeze blowing.
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Its horrible, a souless Spanish hotel on top of an ironing board.
It also looks vulnerable to the sea. This emphasis on cabins having balconies, why is that. I mean why would you want to spend time in your cabin so much on a huge ship like that? You just sleep in the cabin Where are all the open decks on that thing? What about mixing it up with your fellow passengers? Or is it that the people who book these things are just so old or fat they can't move around much? Is it a reflection on emphasis on individual indulgence rather than the whole? Its such an effort to walk around an open deck and bump into all those strangers huh? Maybe they will feel different when a typhoon hits them, would you like a solid bulkhead with good porthole or a big opening with a pitching balcony?
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Built so that retired gentle-folk from Florida can see the Caribbean before they cash in their chips?
How apt.................
FLJ
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Although I agree with most of the comments about "her" design, I would wish for a return to open decks. OK, I know that a ship going forwards is going to generate a wind even in dead calm weather. But what a lot of the buyers of these "cruises" fail to realise is that their little balcony is quite likely to be on the side of the ship that has no sun. Nor would it have sun if the "shine" was coming from forward or aft. A very limited window. On a ship with open decks and efficient wind breakers passengers would be able to move around to wherever suits them. Instead, they are coralled into (or should that be onto) the huge "public" arena where I imagine a bit of solitude, peace and quiet is totally out of the question. Give me open decks any time. BY.
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so who's goin' to be the first to build a model of 'er then..............lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) O0 O0 O0 O0
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so who's goin' to be the first to build a model of 'er then..............lol {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) O0 O0 O0 O0
Perhaps someone from the Model Uboat groups....hint hint......that is pretty ugly isn't it.
Dave
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I guess "cruising" is not about cruising anymore. It seems to be about eating till you explode, drinking till you puke, and being seen while you gamble. I must admit, I had a nice cabin to myself while serving as a merchant sailor. It was air conditioned, quiet, and comfortable. I usually slept outside on the weather decks though, weather permitting. The 0-2 level had a perfect salty breeze, and just the right amount of vibration from the engines to make sleeping absolutely delightful. And oh, how I miss the absolute utter darkness at night while at sea! The stars were so vivid and plentiful.
Just can't see myself paying good money to cruise on the love boats.
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that is pretty ugly isn't it.
UGLY AS SIN, but someone will still model it........come on stav, you're dying to build one I know {-) {-) {-) {-)
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I like it...what a target for a full bow salvo.
Rich
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[but someone will still model it...
First take one ironing board...
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Now now, Remember the old truth
There are two kinds of ships....subs and Targets!
Both are required.....
Dave
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I guess "cruising" is not about cruising anymore. It seems to be about eating till you explode, drinking till you puke, and being seen while you gamble. I must admit, I had a nice cabin to myself while serving as a merchant sailor. It was air conditioned, quiet, and comfortable. I usually slept outside on the weather decks though, weather permitting. The 0-2 level had a perfect salty breeze, and just the right amount of vibration from the engines to make sleeping absolutely delightful. And oh, how I miss the absolute utter darkness at night while at sea! The stars were so vivid and plentiful.
Just can't see myself paying good money to cruise on the love boats.
Couldn't agree more! More than once I used to arrange (in an otherwise empty ocean) for the nav.lights to be turned off and a purely voluntary system of "darken-ship" to be carried out.....just to let the ships complement to come out and behold the splendour that they would never otherwise see. The best thing about the 12-4 night watch (given the conditions) was the "sky at night".
Re. the previous posting.....I really cannot see the point in paying for something I used to be paid for! BY.
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BY,
You are so right about the stars in a truly dark sky.
Here in rural France there is not as much "light pollution" as in other places and after midnight, when most street lights go out, it gets very dark here but not as dark as you would have had it at sea. Most of my French compatriots go to bed at or before 22hrs. I then sit in the garden and marvel at the stars. With even quite poor quality binoculars the sky is an amazing spectacle.
One of my favourite French sayings:
"Un repas pas de vin est comme un nuit pas des etoile" or "A meal without wine is like a night without stars".
Roger in France
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I agree,it is a ugly thing. It only remains to appoint a doorkeeper and a floating taxi rank.
PD
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We've done a couple of cruises over the last three years on the Thomson Celebration - ex Holland America Noordam. Not an especially beautiful ship externally but she does have traditional teak decks, a proper promenade deck and tiered decks sloping down to the stern in the traditional manner. You do feel that you are on a "proper" ship and at only 33,000 tons grt she carries just 1,200 passengers.
Re light pollution, yes, this is a tragedy. It is very rare for it to be possible to view the Milky Way in all its glory or see the Andromeda Galaxy in binoculars. That way you really do appreciate your place in creation! Still, there are compensations. Last week on the Greek island of Samos, we were sitting out on our balcony overlooking the harbour after dark with a nice bottle of wine when my wife saw a brilliant shooting star that exploded like a firework. Unfortunately I was looking in a slightly different direction and only caught sight of it out of the corner of my eye although I did see another one the next night.
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All I can say guys is if I was twenty years younger with a full master mariners ticket, I would be chuffed to bits to drive her. She is big, comfortable, highly manoeuvrable and just look at the ports of call she has for a varied run a shore.
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and just look at the ports of call she has for a varied run a shore.
Assuming you can get off her before it's time to re embark!
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to be honest, though the Ventura may not be the best looking cruise ship, I prefer the looks to that one than the QM2, however I DO LIKE the new QV
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however I DO LIKE the new QV
:o You must be one of the few, Ghost O0
Peter.
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Compare these three photos, the "Classic" QE2, and the "Modern", Liberty of the Seas or Queen Victoria
Give me QE2 any day :-))
Peter.
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What does anyone expect when you have ships designed by bean counters >>:-(
The nautical Engineer is only there to make sure the bloody thing floats.
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When you are inside the thing you can't see the outside. And it's the inside that makes the money. Ugly, yes, but those who are looking at it haven't paid anything....so stuff'em. (As I would say if I was the owner).
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When you are inside the thing you can't see the outside
To me that's one of the problems!
Colin
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I can remember similiar comments made about the QE2 when she was built, now she is gone she is seen through rose coloured glasses.
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An interesting design concept for a liner drawn up in the 1930s. Rocket powered lifeboats no less!
http://davidszondy.com/future/Living/futureliner.htm
The guy also designed a "Trans Oceanic Passenger Plane".
http://home.att.net/~dannysoar/BelGeddes.htm
Colin
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colin, that futureliner is to ships what the flying hamburger was to trains when it comes to styling. looks like the guy was looking at the hindenburg for cues
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Peter
Was the QV picture taken at Sydney harbour?
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Brian, yes it was. QE2 was also in Sydney at the same time, February 2008, moored at the Garden Island naval Dockyard. QV was at the overseas Passenger Terminal, at Circular Quay. The 2 liners did a symbolic "handing over the baton" sail past each other, either side of Fort Denison, later the same evening, as QV was leaving port on her way back to England via the east coast of Australia, then west, eventually transiting the Suez Canal into the Med, and home.
We boarded QE2 the next day for the homeward leg of her final world cruise, via the west coast of Australia, south east Asia, Hawaii, LA etc, then through the Panama to New York and home to Southampton.
We went into the city to see the QV, as I'd never seen her before.
Here are some more photos I took on the same day, all taken from, or near, the Opera House.
Peter.
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I thought it was Sydney, I rode the OZ Jet Boat when I was there in 2005, the other pictures bring back memories perhaps I will get back there next year.
Brian