Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: boatmadman on June 05, 2009, 08:38:49 pm
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Just returned from Peel, and I am now under instructions to build a model of Gladys PL 61, which a relative of my wife sailed on.
I have mailed the national maritime museum, but if anyone here can help??
Thanks
Ian
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Hi Ian, I have a set of line drawings somewhere for a generic Nobby ( morecambe bay prawner) and a publication from the Mersey Nobby Association(1986) written by Len Lloyd, that I could copy for you if you want it.
The plan itself is to build to a size of of 19.5 inches (about 1:24 scale) but you could enlarge to your requirements.
PM me with your address if you want copies. O0 O0
cheers, neil.
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Neil,
Thanks for the offer, will bear that in mind. I would really like to build the specific boat if at all possible, so some more research yet, see what I can turn up.
Ian
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hi ian...forgot to add. you won't find lines for ANY specific boat as purely and simply. THERE WEREN'T any EVER drawn.
All nobbies were built purely from builders eye......if they looked right, they were right, and it is only through the endeavours of societies such as the Nobbie society that have taken lines from existing boats. that there are any available at all, and that is why the plans are generic.
so your chances of fining lines and moreso plans for your particular nobbie are, i#'m sorry tio say, virtually nil. <:( <:(
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Neil,
I suspected that would be the case, it was with the drifter I built.
Since my last reply, I have found this:
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/explore/object.cfm?ID=SLR1330
Also found the book at prices from £40 upwards.
Just need to persuade swmbo the book is a good investment - dont think that should be too hard!
Ian
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you've totally confused me, now ian.
the manx nobby is totally different to the morecambe bay nobby in every aspect of her being.
perhaps you will find plans for her. enclosed is a pic of the morecambe bay nobby to compare.
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Sorry Neil {-) {-)
They are very different!
Ian
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Waverley models in Clevedon do a Morecambe Bay prawner http://www.waverleymodels.co.uk/ (http://www.waverleymodels.co.uk/)
Riggers
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The nobby I am after is more like a hooker than a prawner! weird!
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Dear Boatmadman,
I have just joined MBM hence I could not answer your question earlier. There are infact a full set of drawings for the "Glady's of Peel" including all frames and a basic sail plan. I have a full set of these frames at 1:12 scale as well as a marine surveyors report on the vessel from the late 1800's.
I would not have thought that you would find these in the NMM as most Manx vessels, though not all, are kept on the Island in either Manx Museum in Douglas, or the Nautical Museum in Castletown. In the case of the Glady's, the Leece Museum in Peel, has copies at a small scale that are available upon request free of charge.
If I can be of further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me,
Kindest regards,
Ellan Vannin
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Ellan,
Welcome to the madhouse!
You are a bringer of great news, thanks. Funnily enough, I was in the Leece Museum when on the island, and left my contact details for the curator regarding Gladys. The bloke looking after the museum on the day we were there couldnt help on that area.
There has been no reply yet, or from the NMM.
I know Gladys is still sailing, I am told that its in West Wales somewhere.
I have ordered the book by Edgar J March, The story of Herring Luggers of England, Scotland and the Isle of Man from which the model in the NMM was built, I also have a couple of photos of Gladys as she was fairly recently - within the last couple of years, at Peel.
I will contact Leece museum and request a set of lines.
Regards
Ian
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Further to my last post, I have had a reply from the NMM and they do in fact have diagrams on Gladys, but their charges are a touch high!
For non-commercial customers in the UK we can supply same-size photocopies priced £16.56 per copy, plus £11.50 for research/handling per order, plus £8.05 for postage per order.
Ian
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ian, you'd be cheeper gettin on the ferry at heysham for a day return and going researching the things yourself.......no wonder museums are in dyer straits when they charge that much.
sheet for sheet they're dearer tham the NMM in Greenwich. O0
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Just received a copy of the book Sailing Drifters by Edgar J March - bit of a rarity, not particularly cheap either, but its a great book and has a full set of plans and sail plan for Gladys.
It also details lots of the sizes of timber used in the origional construction.
In total there are plans for 28 different types of boat from drifter to nobby to nicky to lugger, gaffer, scaffie, fifie and zulu - a great reference book!
Should be interesting reading on nightshift!
Ian
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Also check out Inshore Craft of Britain Vol 1 and Vol 2 by Edgar J March, you might find these helpful too.
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A Manx Nobby is not the same as a Morcambe Bay Prawner
The best I can do so far is a Sail Plan & Profile with Midship Section traced for tiny drawings in a book
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If you like inshore craft there are no finer books that Edgar March's. You could build a collection of inshore fishing craft going right around the coast of these islands.
If that is what the museum charges for a photocopy, they deserve to go under and frankly we wouldn't miss them.
That pricing structure is tantamount to gross usury. Shame on the faceless idiot who runs it.
Regards,
Vintagent