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Title: F1 Split
Post by: toesupwa on June 19, 2009, 01:36:09 am
A 'new' championship with half of the teams in 2010...  {:-{

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8108488.stm

Will the 'other' teams join.. or stay with Max and the FIA?

Oh... and..
"The stage is also set for a legal battle, with the FIA saying champions Ferrari and the two Red Bull teams have existing contracts which commit them to the existing championship.

The FIA had set a Friday deadline for five teams - Brawn, BMW-Sauber, McLaren, Renault and Toyota - to convert their provisional entries into unconditional ones or risk being excluded.

There was no immediate comment from the FIA or Ecclestone. "
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Proteus on June 19, 2009, 02:47:40 am
the FIA have folded in ,they have backed down but I think the amount of harm Mosley has done mud slinging hasn't helped I have heard that the FIM (bikes) may have a split as well and join them , it was over the budget cuts and when they started, this was on crash" FIA backs down with 'amendments' to F1 rules" the problem is they will all want to be in charge and have rules that suite them , I don't think the red cars will be able to please them selves what rules they stick to if it does go ahead.

 http://www.crash.net/Formula+One/News/148514/1/fia_backs_down_with_amendments_to_f1_rules.html

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/7629

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm

don't forget the RED button and Live on there web site ,the times have been an hour out for the last two GP so start tape earleyer


Friday 19


Formula One, British Grand Prix

0955-1135, live coverage of first practice
1355-1535, live coverage of second practice

Proteus,
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: toesupwa on June 19, 2009, 03:52:35 am
the FIA have folded in ,they have backed down


Thats not the info i have been finding out..
"Following a series of missives sent out this week between the governing body and the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), it seems further crisis talks at Silverstone today (Thursday) ahead of this weekend's British Grand Prix may be leading towards a resolution that will avert the threat of a manufacturer-spearheaded 'breakaway series'

The announcement of the breakaway was after that article on Crash.net
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Proteus on June 19, 2009, 04:07:41 am
at 3.30 am fri

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Formula-One-Eight-Teams-To-Form-Rival-Championship-And-Will-Not-Compete-In-F1-In-2010/Article/200906315312027?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15312027_Formula_One%3A_Eight_Teams_To_Form_Rival_Championship_And_Will_Not_Compete_In_F1_In_2010


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292

for some reason the (2) was missing of the autosport link which was late thursday, where was your info from ?

Proteus
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: toesupwa on June 19, 2009, 06:25:50 am
where was your info from ?

Proteus


Google News http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=us&topic=s&ncl=d6HJTBSdv5K14NMvijiLWVHFbEscM

and the Press Association http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jXNlZhLw5V8PdytGx7pzO5hw0H1w
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Arrow5 on June 19, 2009, 07:47:21 am
Split announced on BBC 1  news 7.30am Friday.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: barryfoote on June 19, 2009, 08:09:27 am
This is a great shame, just when F1 was regaining much of its popularity. I am afraid that unless Mosley and Ecclestone get their act together quickly, they will find themselves with a Championship that on one will want to watch. The End of F1 as we know it is very close.... >>:-( <*< >>:-( <*<
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 19, 2009, 08:51:05 am
Don't worry, Max will soon whip them back into line.  ok2
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: hopeitfloats on June 19, 2009, 08:55:07 am
if you change the word MAX  and insert in its place FERRARI i think you will be spot on.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: barryfoote on June 19, 2009, 10:31:49 am
Erm......no I think Max is better with a whip!! ok2
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: catengineman on June 19, 2009, 11:47:55 am
You mean "had more practice"  Footski   {-)
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: marineruk on June 19, 2009, 11:53:10 am
Looks like the end of the Max & Bernie show. The FOTA Teams want to get back to being the pinnacle of motorsport and to re-engage with all the fans.

At least we may get back to some of the great circuits and keep Silverstone on the calendar, there have been too many new grand prix in countries were the grandstands are empty and there is no passion for the sport. Bernie has just been selling races to whoever will line his pockets the most.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: DickyD on June 19, 2009, 01:28:25 pm
As a life long fan of F1, I used to go to Silverstone with my Dad as a kid, I have just about given up watching it now.

It's all politics and behind the scenes manoeuvring and very little competitive racing.

Last Sunday on ITV4 I watched 6 hours of British Touring Cars and support races at Knock Hill, absolutely excellent, thrills spills and real racing.

Who needs F1, not me.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Capt Jack on June 19, 2009, 02:32:54 pm
Think your find that last weekend was at Croft Dicky
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: mook on June 19, 2009, 02:44:10 pm
good riddence to F1, most boring show on earth, let us watch the bike GP for proper racing, you know they even overtake unlike F!  O0
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: DickyD on June 19, 2009, 03:05:27 pm
Think your find that last weekend was at Croft Dicky
You're right Capt Jack its funny how your memory starts to play up at a certain errr  age, thats it. Excellent racing though. :-))(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/German_shepherd_4.gif)
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: tigertiger on June 19, 2009, 03:11:20 pm
It is interesting that Ron is so quiet.

Must have been told to keep 'mum'.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Arrow5 on June 19, 2009, 03:48:14 pm
FIA to take "immeadiate legal action against F1 teams (FOTA)".   So the lawyers will be the winners again. >>:-(
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Eric65 on June 19, 2009, 04:30:03 pm
This could be a disaster for F1, Spankie had better wake up and smell the roses and do some serious compremising with the teams.

 I am sure it could all be resolved quickly if more acceptable spending limits were proposed.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: tonyH on June 19, 2009, 04:48:06 pm
Isn't that the whole point - the spending limits?

40M or 250M. That is the question and why should Ferrari compromise if they and the others are still making a profit (allegedly) with even that level of spend?
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Proteus on June 19, 2009, 06:39:34 pm
It is interesting that Ron is so quiet.

Must have been told to keep 'mum'.


If you mean Ron Dennis he has left f1 befor the start of the season and is looking after the road car side

Proteus
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: craftysod on June 19, 2009, 06:56:51 pm
It is interesting that Ron is so quiet.

Must have been told to keep 'mum'.

I have spoken to him recently,and he knows only as much as we do,the people who work there,dont get told much at all.
Lets hope they keep there jobs,the way this farce is turning out.
Mark
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: ronkh on June 19, 2009, 09:33:43 pm
It is interesting that Ron is so quiet.

Must have been told to keep 'mum'.

Tigertiger,

If you mean me, then no - I have not been told to "keep mum".
I know as much as the next person which is sweet Fanny Adams.
What I do know is that there is too much politics, too much ego clashing , too much money grabbing (as in Bernie Ecclestone. {Must not forget some rather greedy drivers - no names mentioned!!}) and too much of Max Moseley trying to do what his old man couldn't do.......dictating to the world (or in this case, F1 and all the idiots trying to earn a living from it), that you will do what I want you to do and screw you and the people who count (the fans and the workers), and that if you disagree - balls to you. My word is law. (And he seems to of achieved this, don't you think so?)
Well, excuse me Max and Bernie. I am only trying to keep the roof over my and my family's heads. I am only trying to pay the bills, I am only trying to carry on with life as I like and not how you seem to dictate how it should be run. I do not need the worry over my head as to whether I have a job next year.
Cant' these idiots (Not Tigertiger and the rest of you people!!!!)  realise that the majority who work in F1, do not give a t o s s about the racing. We only go to these places (factories) to get what I said above. A wage to live on etc.
I used to really enjoy F1. I actually said in the early day's when I joined this forum that I loved F1. Now I can hardly stand watching the so called blo#dy sport, let alone working there but my hands are tied aren't they?
This year I should imagine that I have watched, at the very most, about 30 minutes of the "sport".
I wonder how much I will be able to watch next year? If I can be bothered.
That is if these fools do not put a heck of a lot of us out on the dole.
Yes, Moto GB is fantastic but even they, I believe, will follow F1 as could very easily Rallying and all other motorsports in going down our road. That is, a dead end because politics and egos and money is too great. I honestly wish I earned the amount of money that some people seem to think (believe??) that we get in working for F1. If I did get it, I would of retired years ago

Sod it. Thats my rant done with.
I can only say this here otherwise I am out of a job.

A very peed of F1 employee fed up with the whiplash fanatic and the poison dwarf!!!

Ron.

Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: toesupwa on June 19, 2009, 10:40:29 pm
I am only trying to keep the roof over my and my family's heads. I am only trying to pay the bills, I am only trying to carry on with life as I like and not how you seem to dictate how it should be run. I do not need the worry over my head as to whether I have a job next year.


That is something that is to be considered in all of this...

The millions of $$$'s that is spent in F1 (and other motorsport) by these teams goes in to the pockets of the employees. If the FIA get there way, then the employees of the teams are the ones who will be made to suffer...

Well said Ron!  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: tigertiger on June 20, 2009, 04:30:19 am
Thanks for the answer Ron
And again, well said.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: hopeitfloats on July 30, 2009, 08:19:12 am
 mclaren back on the podium, BMW  quitting at the end of the season and schumacher coming back. what a week in F1. it will be interesting to see how he goes now he's not in the fastest car.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Bryan Young on July 30, 2009, 07:33:08 pm
More interesting to watch Hamilton. He's always said that he regretted never racing Schumaker. Just a pity that the next race is in Valentia. Last time all the tv viewers saw (apart from the bridge) was miles and miles of concrete wall. After Valencia, where's the next one? I hope it's a good open circuit, Schumaker and all the front runners could make for a good race. BY.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Cklasse on July 31, 2009, 03:15:27 am
Next is Belgium, Italy and Singapore!

Anyone of you guys coming to Singapore for the night race?
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Circlip on July 31, 2009, 12:39:31 pm
Back to the split, sooner the better. F1 IS the pinnacle of motor racing, want to watch "Little" teams competing? plenty of the lesser formulae kicking around, but come to think about it, when THE German guy was thrashing everybody, instead of changing the rules to stop him, they should have insisted HE drove a go-cart while everyone else had Cars.

   Probably have beaten them on that as well.

   Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 31, 2009, 12:58:13 pm

I'd like to see a split but both side run in the same race, much like the other race series.....
 ....they've practically been doing that for the last 10 years anyway!
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: steamboatbob on July 31, 2009, 01:38:54 pm
this is why i like the A1 GP's better every one has the same car and its all down to setup and driver skill
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: toesupwa on July 31, 2009, 11:03:42 pm
Now Shuey is back, I'd like to see one of the races in the rain.. just to see how Schuey and Hamilton measure up to each other.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: cbr900 on August 01, 2009, 01:27:05 pm
There is no split anymore as all teams have now signed the new concorde agreement.......
What a fizzer that was..........
 :-)) :-))
Roy
Title: Re: F1 - Michael Schumacher non return
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 11, 2009, 11:52:40 am
mclaren back on the podium, BMW  quitting at the end of the season and schumacher coming back. what a week in F1. it will be interesting to see how he goes now he's not in the fastest car.

He not coming back after all.  :((


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8186319.stm
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 11, 2009, 01:25:34 pm
The big problem with A1GP just having a one design car is....its a one design class.  It might bring out the best driver, more likely it will bring out the best set-up team.  The "reason" for racing is not just to provide an entertainment, although thats a big part, but to improve the technology.  That can't happen with a one design class.  The big problem with classes being developed under rules is that nowadays you get designers who find the limits of the rules much faster these days.  The result is dominance by one manufacturer over a few years until either the rules get changed or someone finds a really cunning way to cheat, wen either everybody does the same cheat or the rules get changed.  Again.
Scumby coming back/staying away, dumb dictatorial series and team managers in F1?  Who really cares?  Does it actually matter?  Its all getting like the telly wrestling when it got the really talentless scriptwriters. 
I think I'll stick with the Moto GP and other bike racing.  At least theres real racing going on.  A pity about the amount of electronicery that has to go on, but still, it is an entertaining circus with more actual action than talking heads.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 11, 2009, 02:33:59 pm

Yes F1 is a bit of a political circus bur Jensen Button and Brawn being the
'out 'n out' leaders at the beginning of the season was a bit off script!
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: Bryan Young on August 11, 2009, 04:46:03 pm
So who will take the 2nd Ferrari now that the shoemaker has been ruled as "unfit" because of his neck injury? O maybe he just didn't really fancy going up against the current crop of young guns.
Title: Re: F1 Split
Post by: w3bby on August 11, 2009, 05:07:14 pm
So who will take the 2nd Ferrari....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Badoer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luca_Badoer) Luca Badoer, guess the "shoe" didn't fancy racing a car he hadn't driven, no sorry he's injured %)