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Title: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Ron1 on July 13, 2009, 10:18:34 PM

England my England  
 
 Goodbye to my England, So long my old friend
Your days are numbered, being brought to an end
To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine
But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.
 
The French and the Germans may call themselves such
So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch
You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane
But don't say you're English ever again.
 
At Broadcasting House the word is taboo
In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too
Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told
They must not teach children about England of old.
        
Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw
The pupils don't learn about them anymore
How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?
When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.
 
We are not Europeans, how can we be?
Europe is miles away, over the sea
We're the English from England, let's all be proud
Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!
 
 
Let's tell our Government and Brussels too
We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue
 Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack
Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
          
 
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Post by: Shipmate60 on July 13, 2009, 10:22:31 PM
Well Said.

Bob
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Post by: DickyD on July 13, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
Hear hear  :-))
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Ghost in the shell on July 13, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
Hear hear  :-))

thats got my vote too :)
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 13, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
I thought the English (Angles) originally came from Denmark or thereabouts and with the Saxons (Germans) drove the original inhabitants (Celts) into Wales and Cornwall.

So who are the "real" English?

Colin
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Ron1 on July 13, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
If you want to look at it that way its up to you, I have been watching a programe that showed most of the worlds population started in AFRICA. >>:-( >>:-(
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 13, 2009, 10:59:01 PM
Most? Where did the others come from then?
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: portside II on July 13, 2009, 11:02:47 PM
If you look at it that way why don't they call the australians  australians (apart from the aboriginies) most of the original settlers are convicts .
daz
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Post by: andygh on July 13, 2009, 11:04:21 PM
"I'm as British as Queen Victoria!"
"You mean your father's German, you're half German and you married a German?"  
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Post by: Colin Bishop on July 13, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
We have aliens on this Forum.  8) 8)
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Post by: Ghost in the shell on July 13, 2009, 11:12:01 PM
We have aliens on this Forum.  8) 8)

legal aliens or illegal aliens?

Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Xtian29 on July 13, 2009, 11:28:29 PM
Hello

You know that our former aircraft carrier Clemenceau is actually in the hand of the English breakers on the Teeside and actually the French Navy training ship Jeanne D'Arc lives her last year of service and then will be decommissioned at the end of 2010.

Now the crowds shout "please don't send her to the English breakers like the Clemenceau - the "deceptive albion" have already executed the real Jeanne d'Arc (Joan of Arc) by burning on 30 May 1431 !

 :embarrassed:    {-)    :D  

Taratata, English are still alive, remember the 2009 Six Nations Championship

France 10 - England 34   {:-{

A+ Xtian :((
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: andygh on July 13, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
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If you look at it that way why don't they call the australians  australians (apart from the aboriginies) most of the original settlers are convicts .

When did the Aborigines colonise Australia? And was there anyone there before that?

Anyway, the Neanderthals were here in England long before us Anglo Saxons, or the Celts for that matter
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Post by: sheerline on July 13, 2009, 11:35:33 PM
Ron.. top marks to you for printing that mate.. it is so true and touches a nerve in most Englishmen I'm sure.
Sod the pc brigade and the lefties who want to emasculate the men, give women a pair and wipe our country, our history and  flag off the map. Too many have died for this country to let these people diminish it in the way they do. I am sick of people who now begin to question what is Englishness. We can't turn the clock back to what appeared to be some kind of eutopian view of what our counrty used to be, it certainly wasn't perfect but at least you could stand up and state that you were in fact an Englishman. Eveyone else in Britain can state which Nationality they are, no-one questions it, but God help you if you say you're English.  <:(

I can feel a 'rope moment' coming on! <*<
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Post by: DARLEK1 on July 14, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
You guys should watch the new version of "Battlestar Galactica" the full series all the way through, it certainly makes me wonder what if????

 Paul... %)
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Post by: Bee on July 14, 2009, 12:36:24 AM
Having just come back from a trip to that old colony USA I am apparently not English, nor British but "UK".
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Post by: andygh on July 14, 2009, 01:30:57 AM
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God help you if you say you're English.

Why, what happened to you?  :((
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Post by: Perkasaman2 on July 14, 2009, 01:38:07 AM
Sorry Ron1 You can't have England back  :o we British are keeping it - it's part of the British Isles and an important piece of our 'United Kingdom'.  >>:-( My ancestors were about equally from all main areas of Britain and a good many fought bled and died for the flag - it's been flying since 1800. Many soldiers peoples from our old British Empire and British Commonwealth sacrificed/suffered much to keep the values and ideals it represents 'flying'. Most countries in the world have learnt the value of nationhood rather than tribalism. This flag unites - yours is included - these are small islands.  ;)
History - the British Isles have been invaded by Celts/Romans/Angles/Saxons/Danes/Vikings and finally Normans. The indigenous people  either fled or were virtually enslaved/assimilated on each occasion. :((  King Athelstan from our 'Dark Ages' is ignored by our history books, yet his personal achievements are probablly unequalled for valour, generalship and heroism.  :-)
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Peter Fitness on July 14, 2009, 05:47:37 AM
When did the Aborigines colonise Australia?

Archeological research suggests they have been here at least 60,000 years, and perhaps considerably longer than that. Was anyone here before that? I don't think so but, who knows for sure? Some fossilised fish were found in south west NSW that have been estimated at 360 million years old, older than the dinosaurs.

European settlement started in 1788 with convicts and their guards, with free settlers coming soon after that.

Peter.
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Peter Fitness on July 14, 2009, 05:56:46 AM
King Athelstan from our 'Dark Ages' is ignored by our history books,

He's not if you go to Malmesbury, in Wiltshire. His name is everywhere there, he even has a car dealership - Athelstan Motors  {-) {-)

Seriously, though, he hasn't been forgotten there, as his name is frequently mentioned when there is talk of the town's long history. Malmesbury claims to be  England's oldest borough. The photos are of 2 of the plaques in the footpath from the Abbey to the lower car park.

Peter.
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: barryfoote on July 14, 2009, 08:24:40 AM
I think the bottom line here is that a Scotsman can and quite rightly is proud of being a Scot. Being British generally comes second. The Welsh are equally proud of being Welsh and the same with the Irish. The English are different in our Modern Society. it is true to say that they have to be British first and English a long way back in second....

Scorn if you like but this is most definitely true in our society!!

By the way ron1, an excellent poem.. :-)) :-))
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Post by: sheerline on July 14, 2009, 08:57:46 AM
Andy H....  I was born in England....I grew up in Scotland. espite living there for the first 20 years of my life, having a broad Scottish accent and being indistinguishable from the next man, I was never made to forget that I was born the other side of the border. I watched as people I had known and worked with took a different view of me when they discovered I had been born in England, some obviously disassociating themselves with me because of it. I knew my place, I was continually reminded of it at school and at work and learned at an early age that I 'didn't belong' and was somehow different.
That makes me English as far as I am concerned.
 We are all Uk citizens because we belong to a United British Isles , United we will stand... but divided we will definately fall.

Wherever you go in this world, you will hear Scots, Welsh and Iirishmen correcting any foriegner who gets it wrong and refers to them as 'English'. They are proud of their identity and justly so, why shouldn't they be, so why are the English being singled out and watered down as British or UK citizens and slowly being drip fed this tripe.
Sounds very much like an indoctrination process to me!  
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: ronkh on July 14, 2009, 09:09:52 AM
the Neanderthals were here in England

They still exist. It's called the labour government :police: :-X >>:-(
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Post by: malcolmfrary on July 14, 2009, 09:20:20 AM
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Anyway, the Neanderthals were here in England long before us Anglo Saxons, or the Celts for that matter
I drove down Blackpool prom on Saturday.  The Neanderthals are still with us.  I wondered what the earlier ones survived on before the invention of chips.
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Post by: John W E on July 14, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPy6FJhd2vg&feature=related

 ok2
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Xtian29 on July 14, 2009, 10:28:54 AM
Hello

Have you seen that the first image is the one of the Japanese destroyer DD153 Yugiri  O0  What's a pity the HMS Ark Royal or a Duke class frigate would have been a better choice  :embarrassed:

A+ Xtian

PS : Today is 14th of July the French National day ... when we remember having cut heads to kings and royalist .... shocking  ;D  

PS 2 : about Neanderthals, we still have some in France, and one of them was famous in England, because he used to play rugby with the Sale Sharks

  (http://nsa08.casimages.com/img/2009/07/14/090714114243757807.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Roger in France on July 14, 2009, 10:34:03 AM
.....and WOW, what a party we had here in our little village! My head still hurts 12 hours later.

however, to my shame, I still make a mess of singing the "Marseillaise"!

Roger in France
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: DieselDo on July 14, 2009, 04:32:31 PM
Most of you have gone well off track.
Yes I am British, but from England in Britain.
You know the place, the largest contributor to the UK budget but the only part NOT to have its own Parliament.
The Scots, Irish and Welsh have a certain amount of control over their affairs, why can't England.
Why should Scots, Irish and Welsh MP's vote on English affairs while we cant on theirs.
Yes the old West Lothian Question.
I have spent time in Scotland and Wales and the first thing mentioned was where I came from, followed by some quite insulting remarks from a minority.
So what did I do I returned to England, my preference.
I am English, will always be English, and PROUD OF IT.


Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Eric65 on July 14, 2009, 04:49:38 PM
I am a Scot, and damn proud of it, but I am also British, and damn proud of THAT too!

I married an English lass, so clearly have no problem with the English....far from it!

If you are English, then yes.....stand up and be proud of it 'cos this would be a poorer world without the contribution the English have made!

(Granted there may be a vocal section of the Scottish people who would disagree with me, but I usually ignore them!)
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: brianc on July 14, 2009, 04:55:50 PM
I was born in Scotland, have English parents and am fiercly proud to be a Scot ,fiercly proud of my ENGLISH heritage AND fiercly proud to be British.... :-))
So.... you guy`s stand up for yourselves..... but..... please don`t let this thread degenerate into a petty nationalistic squabble {:-{
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin H on July 14, 2009, 05:21:01 PM
I am English and very proud of that fact. However being ex army I have a different point of view. Our four British nations always squabbled when they got together we were allowed to we are Irish, Welsh, Scots English British.

But God help any " b-gg-r " from another country who picked a fight for then all the nations of Britain would come together and kick some serious a--e.

Then enemy defeated we would go back to our little squabble.

Colin H.
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Xtian29 on July 14, 2009, 05:27:20 PM
Hello

From outside and maybe neutral position I like this Eric sentence  :-))

If you are English, then yes.....stand up and be proud of it 'cos this would be a poorer world without the contribution the English have made!

But I'm not and in rugby English are my "favorite enemies"  {-)

I've some difficulties to understand why in the United Kingdom nations like Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales have control over there affairs with parliament or national assemblies and why not England ?

A+ Xtian  






Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: barryfoote on July 14, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
Xtian,

You are not on your own there. Every Englishman wonders the same thing!!!
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Post by: tolnedra on July 14, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
We, the English, have to put up with a BRITISH National Anthem, whilst the other home nations have their own, why are we not allowed our own? Granted I'm British, but from a personal point of view I am English first and foremost. I too have spent time in Scotland and Wales, and enjoyed doing so, but England still comes first to me (even when in the crowd at Murrayfield, for a Scotland / England match!) I spent 25 years in the RN, defending ALL our shores, and I believe I have the right to call myself an Englishman.

Danny
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Peter Fitness on July 15, 2009, 12:15:22 AM
But I'm not and in rugby English are my "favourite enemies"  

Ours, too, xtian. And in cricket as well.  O0

Peter.
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Post by: tobyker on July 15, 2009, 11:53:22 PM
Bring me my bow of burning gold.....
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Post by: Colin Bishop on July 16, 2009, 10:16:31 AM
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Bring me my bow of burning gold.....

Getting a bit past it for the arrows of desire then?  ok2
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Post by: Peter Fitness on July 17, 2009, 12:17:21 AM
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Bring me my bow of burning gold.....

Getting a bit past it for the arrows of desire then?  ok2

What about the "Chariot of Fire"?  :D

Peter.
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: omra85 on July 17, 2009, 08:03:54 PM
What about the "Chariot of Fire"?  :D

More like "Wheelbarrow of Glowing Embers" nowadays with me  <:( <:(

Danny the Bear
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2009, 09:01:27 PM
I just hope the clouds unfold for my visit to Portsmouth Dockyard tomorrow....

Colin
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Xtian29 on July 17, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
Hello

... for my visit to Portsmouth Dockyard tomorrow....

I've made many port of call at Portsmouth but never time available to visit the HMS Victory. It's really a regret for me and I have to do it.

About HMS Victory, Trafalgar and Nelson (don't forget I'm French) One think I've not forget was to have a pi.. on Nelson statue situated on Grand Parade Street (in fact only the pedestal ... I'm not equiped with Fire Fighting  :embarrassed:)  I don't know if it's really a tradition but I know many French navy officer who's done this to !

A+ Xtian


   

   
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 17, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
At Portsmouth the boardwalk along the naval buildings is made from the timbers of captured French men of war. Visitors are asked to treat it with respect as a historical monument. Maybe French naval personnel take a different view?

I did enjoy visiting France last week as I always do. Our two nations should be friends.

Colin
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: malcolmfrary on July 17, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
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Our two nations should be friends
And one day, it could happen.  Just needs goodwill and understanding on both sides.
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Post by: tobyker on July 17, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
Chariot of fire? That'll be the Royal Enfield then.
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Post by: Xtian29 on July 17, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
Hello

One of my Grand Oncle (brother to my Grand Mother) used to serve the Royal Navy during the WW2 as he was in UK prior the french capitulation and was thinking at that time that serving with British was the best solution to defeat Nazi.

A little bit later two other of my Grand Oncles, after 18th june De Gaulle appeal used to serve the FNFL (Force Navale Franšaise Libre - Free French Navy) and based in UK. One aboard of MTB on the Channel and one aboard of North Atlantic convoy protection based at Greenock.  In my family we are close friend to British (even English)  But having a pi .. "Censored " on the pedestal of Nelson statue is a tradition  :embarrassed:

I have to say that one time during a port of call at Portsmouth aboard of a French naval ship the commanding officer refused to fly any courtesy flag as he have some of his relatives dead during Mers El Kebir attack ...  

History is different from people to other even for people of the same country.

A+ Xtian
  
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: Colin Bishop on July 18, 2009, 12:50:41 AM
Mers el Kebir was indeed a great tragedy.

Colin
Title: Re: Rise up all you English.
Post by: funtimefrankie on July 19, 2009, 10:20:27 PM
My neighbour's always on about England for the English, I tell him we don't want you Brummies in Lancashire....get back to the bl00dy south :police: >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(