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Title: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: lighterman on September 24, 2009, 09:48:13 PM
Hi there every one!
i asked about sound Fx for a model tug i am building and wondered if anyone knows the type and supplier for the unit in this model i found on you tube.
and does anyone know if it programable to make the air start sound every time it goes from ahead to astern..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cJVmWUzws

heres hoping someone can help out
Thanks in advance

Martin
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: barryfoote on September 25, 2009, 09:01:14 AM
Morning Martin,
The sound units are made by this company.

http://www.modelsolutions.ca/

Not cheap but sounds great to me.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: titoneri on September 25, 2009, 09:53:54 AM
Try Graupner new units Nr 2382  much better, easier to use and a much better price with uk support.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 25, 2009, 11:24:20 AM
Try Graupner new units Nr 2382  much better, easier to use and a much better price with uk support.


Have you got a Graupner unit Titoneri?
 Love to hear it.  :-))
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: lighterman on October 08, 2009, 12:09:34 AM
i rather like the sound of this, anyone out there know the make of the sound unit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cJVmWUzws
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: lighterman on October 08, 2009, 12:13:49 AM
damn.. i have already asked this question.... and had 2 replies.. teach me to read before writing... or as the old man used to say IN-GAUGE BRAIN BEFORE STARTING!

any how.... how is everybody? :)
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Bunkerbarge on October 08, 2009, 12:33:22 AM
Fine thank you.  I hate to see a guy talking to himself!
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 08, 2009, 06:02:54 AM

 I've email the guy but no response.
  I still think it's the JJC unit... now no longer in production....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3biLUAtkI&NR=1   :-))

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnDbndomcY - http://beier-electronic.de/modellbau/index.php
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: BarryM on October 08, 2009, 10:13:47 AM
Take yourself down to a suitable river or harbour and listen to ships' passing. What do you hear? The sound of the water's passage around the hull; perhaps a rattle from deck machinery; maybe something being moved on deck; the thrash from the prop if the ship is in ballast.

What you do not hear from the bank/quay (other than as perhaps a low hum) is the sound of engines. I have heard some models with engine sounds that are over-amplified to the point that, if it were real life, the crew would all have been driven mad and deaf. Smaller craft may well have engine sounds audible to observers but for anything of any size, engine sound effects are pointless.

Cheers,

Barry M 
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: chrise on October 08, 2009, 11:20:17 AM

What you do not hear from the bank/quay (other than as perhaps a low hum) is the sound of engines. I have heard some models with engine sounds that are over-amplified to the point that, if it were real life, the crew would all have been driven mad and deaf. Smaller craft may well have engine sounds audible to observers but for anything of any size, engine sound effects are pointless.

Cheers,

Barry M 

I largely agree but there is that heavy rumble of a large ship/ tug engine which is almost felt as much as heard & can be heard for miles in the right weather conditions. Unfortunately I have never heard it modelled.
Chris
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: BarryM on October 08, 2009, 01:03:57 PM
Chris,

You might hear a bit of a rumble on a multi-cylinder, high speed diesel when it revs up but otherwise very, very, little. This one goes into the same box as the 'Green Flash'.

Cheers,

Barry M
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: chrise on October 08, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
If you stand on the banks of the Mersey in Liverpool or at Portishead Point in the Bristol Channel or somewhere similar, particularily at night, you can very clearly hear the rumble of the ships going by. You can clealry hear the ships coming before you notice the lights. It is however, I agree, not the sound of a "mechanical engine" but just a very heavy pulse rumble.

I have also sailed the Channel at night in a small sailing boat & believe me you can hear large ships coming for miles. It is an uncomfortable experience when you cannot see them!

Chris
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: lighterman on October 08, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
Thanks for all the replies!
yes you are right about the sounds of engines i know for a fact you could hear one of our old skippers long before you heard the tug! it was the sounds of the air start then the engine picking up, that i rather liked, just needs the collision alarm that we had with this certain skipper. you would clang clang clang (slow astern).. clang clang clangclang (full astern) then the voice from the wheel house &*it ..@%it  STAND HARD!!!! (boing...)
:)
when i world on the older direct reversing tugs the scene in the morning of the big white smoke rings as she started and the steady THUMP THUMP..
i think thats why i build lighterage tugs to bring alive those sights and sounds... now be honest folks how many of us stand at the pond side in a world of our own and make the noises as you go through the card??? %%... where are my pills?
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Shipmate60 on October 08, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
You cant hear the engine, all you can hear is the exhaust note and with generators usually a higher pitch than the Main Engines you tend to hear these.

Bob
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: portside II on October 08, 2009, 05:22:42 PM
I have to disagree about the engine sound's , we have a tug in goole that you can hear over a kilometer away (thats how far it is from my house to the docks) and the sound is not a dull drone but a heavy exhaust and roaring diesel engine as she drags a ship of 4,000 ton around the docks (she probably weighs no more that 5 ton).
daz
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 08, 2009, 06:23:54 PM
Quote
   " now be honest folks how many of us stand at the pond side in a world of our own and make the noises ....."

That's ridiculous..... but embarrassingly true.
I defy anyone that has ever had a model train set to deny getting their eye down to track level as the train came round the oval again for 350 time! Even I was was leaning this way and that with my surfer girl just last weekend.
( http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=20082.msg193850#msg193850 )

Boat sound just breath life into sometimes lifeless models..... it's no worse that having still figures on the deck!  :-)
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Shipmate60 on October 08, 2009, 07:18:16 PM
But it is still the exhaust note you hear NOT the engine.

Bob
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: chrise on October 08, 2009, 11:07:13 PM
But it is still the exhaust note you hear NOT the engine.

Bob

Yes that is most probably true. The mechanical bits are very well hidden. The original point was that boats with large engines do make a noise but it is not the mechanical clatter of most sound boards. I have yet to hear a sound board that does a good big engine "exhaust note".

The other problem that I have is how the sound board responds to throttle. Modellers change throttle in a completely different way to engineers of large ships. Idle to full power to idle in three seconds is fairly common in a model but unheard of in a superrtanker. Sound boards are normally too responsive & make the throttle response of a super tanker more like that of an F1 engine.

Having said all that if sounds makes it more realistic to the guy who spent the time & money then that is absolutely fine with me.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: farrow on October 12, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Why not record the sound of an Arctic lorry it is much the same noise, ie a large diesel exhaust, except the marine version is more silent. What people hear or feel is the vibration from the prop. Though yes you will hear a large vessel from the distance on small private pleasure boats, because in those you invariable live below the waterline and the sound vibrations from an engine room do travel long distance through water, but in modern commercial ships crew quarters are required to be on or above the main deck so they will not hear those sounds.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: farrow on October 12, 2009, 11:48:26 AM
Hi Lighterman, yeah I know what you mean about with the sound of the old slow rev, air reverse diesels. They had a very distinctive noise and sounded impressive, plus it made the skipper think about his engine movements because of the very limited amount of movements before the air bottle could be recharged again, I have heard of collisions because the air bottle ran out before it could be recharged.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: BarryM on October 12, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
Main engine airstart compressors are always run during manoeuvring to keep the bottles topped up for direct start engines. The problem comes when the Old Man or the Pilot become too enthusiastic and demands more stops/reverses than the compressors can keep up with. Stories of the Engine Room 'phoning the Bridge and saying "You've two movements left - which ones do you want?" are not unknown. Not a problem that steam ever had.

Barry M
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: farrow on October 14, 2009, 10:00:13 PM
Yeah that is what I mean, I know of one story concerning the tug Expellar at Chatham Dkyd, she could manage I believe between 7 to 9 movements on her bottle. When assisting a vessel out of the Lock to No 1 Basin, the Pilot asked too much to quick and she hit St Marys Wharf at half ahead and broke a stay. But it did mean when operating these vessels you had to plan and judge your manoeuvre very carefully.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Steam Head on December 26, 2009, 10:51:47 AM
Re prices of these sound modules.

In OZ, (today), the Graupner is AU$337, (from Cornwall boats), and the Canadian one is AU$215. ( http://www.modelsolutions.ca/)

No Contest whatever, especially as the Canadian unit out ranks the Graupner with features by far.

Where I sit, a MUCH better deal, as the service from both countries to Australia, at best can be questionable, or as usual from the companies I normally deal with, superlative.

The Canadian one gets my dollars, and tonight.

Sounds stupid, I know, but in all the years I've been on-line, I've been dudded once, (by an English company who shall remain nameless).

Just thought you would like to know.

Best regards to all,

Steam Head.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: DickyD on December 26, 2009, 11:22:57 AM
Right, so you have a thing about English companies, so you buy a sound unit from a Canadian company owned by an Englishman. Makes sense I suppose. {:-{
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Timo2 on December 26, 2009, 11:47:40 AM
Hi All

FLJ new unit all sing and dancing  MP3 unit 8to10 weeks away ?

P100 Noisy Thing - Progress Report
I guess the news about this exciting new sound unit is out now. The prototype units we had at the show were misbehaving a little but we think we've sorted that out now. The next step will be for Dr Tim to come up with the software in a user-friendly form, then we will send out a few units to selected customers for testing and feedback. Once that's been done we're into writing the manual and producing the first 100 units. We reckon these should be available around February next year. For further information as it becomes known then please send an E-Mail to Iwantone@actionp100.co.uk. We will send out a "global" reply once we have final details of spec, price, delivery etc. Please don't ring up Dave and pester him about it - he has a LOT of soldering to do!

Timo2

Built by a modeler for modelers
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 26, 2009, 07:39:28 PM
Saw the demo of the P100 at the Warwick boat show, great bit of kit  :-))
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 30, 2009, 12:56:12 PM


                      http://www.aerosoundrc.com/

Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: marinemole on January 01, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
I have recently been converting a Seaport Workboat to freelance steam outline tug. An expensive sound unit would be a bit OTT for such a simple model and I have been experimenting with a cheap MP3 player and amplifier/speaker unit from ASDA at 10 and 5 respectively. I have downloaded an engine noise and various other mechanical sounds from the web. I replicated the basic engine noise several times over and then randomly overlayed various bangs, clangs, hammering, squeaking noises etc and saved out to an MP3 file which I transferred to the player.

There are obviously lots of snags and disadvantages, e.g. the noise is not coupled to the throttle, and the whole thing is a bit Mickey Mouse but an interesting addition to a cheapo model. I take the points made about what one can and can't hear from a ship in motion but often we are more comfortable with what we 'expect' to hear and see rather than reality?

Interesting thread which has prompted me to make my first posting.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Tankerman on January 08, 2010, 11:12:17 AM

 For those with the Model Solutions, Graupner or any other sound system that can up-load files from your computer try this web-site: http://www.sound-effects-library.com/
If you search their site for "ship's engine" you will come up with over 500 samples, try the "ship's horn" search as well.

Chris
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: BarryM on January 08, 2010, 12:10:05 PM
I have recently been converting a Seaport Workboat to freelance steam outline tug. An expensive sound unit would be a bit OTT for such a simple model and I have been experimenting with a cheap MP3 player and amplifier/speaker unit from ASDA at 10 and 5 respectively. I have downloaded an engine noise and various other mechanical sounds from the web. I replicated the basic engine noise several times over and then randomly overlayed various bangs, clangs, hammering, squeaking noises etc and saved out to an MP3 file which I transferred to the player.

There are obviously lots of snags and disadvantages, e.g. the noise is not coupled to the throttle, and the whole thing is a bit Mickey Mouse but an interesting addition to a cheapo model. I take the points made about what one can and can't hear from a ship in motion but often we are more comfortable with what we 'expect' to hear and see rather than reality?

Interesting thread which has prompted me to make my first posting.

I used something similar for gunfire effects: a Tesco MP3 player (4.50) plus assorted gunfire from www.audiosparx.com, a mixer proramme and a speaker found in the oddnsods box.  Very good results and very cheap.

Barry M
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: andywright on January 08, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
i rather like the sound of this, anyone out there know the make of the sound unit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0cJVmWUzws

Sounds like a JJC reciprocating steam engine to me. They have now ceased trading.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: Steam Head on February 04, 2010, 05:18:23 AM
Reply to Dicky D.

Did I say I "have a thing" with all English companies? (Huh?) 

Nope, only one, who shall remain nameless, I think I said.  >:-o :-X

It was all about the price.

Perhaps you could re-read my comments. :-))  {-)

Regards.

Steam Head.
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: hopeitfloats on February 04, 2010, 09:55:07 AM
did you get one and if so how did it go. ;)
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: DickyD on February 04, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
Reply to Dicky D.

Did I say I "have a thing" with all English companies? (Huh?) 

Nope, only one, who shall remain nameless, I think I said.  >:-o :-X

It was all about the price.

Perhaps you could re-read my comments. :-))  {-)

Regards.

Steam Head.

Pity you didn't wait for the ACTion one to come out , its far superior. {-)
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: andywright on March 15, 2010, 12:05:29 PM
Has anybody posted any of the action sounds yet, now that the unit is in production.

Andy
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: gribeauval on March 15, 2010, 01:55:26 PM
Just fitted a pair of P100's and a P101 amp in the !/12th Trent I am building. These have been programmed with the sounds of the MAN marine diesels as used in the Whitby Lifeboat.

I used two P100's as the boat will be controlled with a Robbe F14 marine, twin throttle stick,  radio control.

The sounds effect is just what I was looking for :D :D

Click this link for a quick clip:    http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff300/gribeauval/Dans%20Trent/?action=view&current=P1000052.flv (http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff300/gribeauval/Dans%20Trent/?action=view&current=P1000052.flv)


Just need to fit it all inside and fine tune the engines !!


Mike
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: 6705russell on April 07, 2010, 08:48:56 PM
I have fitted the new P100 to my Trent and here is my feeble attempt at recording on a cheap camera! It certainly sounds better in reality....

Top marks to Action and Wombat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGO8DGZ-HM

Russ
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: andywright on April 07, 2010, 09:52:44 PM
can we hear it rev up a bit? It certainly sounds well on tick over.
Andy
Title: Re: Tug engine sound effects?
Post by: tassie48 on April 09, 2010, 10:47:33 PM
Hi I use ram products from USA had great success with them in previous models their web site is  ramrcandramtrack.com now looking at Action asa package for mixers etc and BarryM yep being their haha tassie48.