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Title: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 26, 2009, 09:04:19 pm
Well,  here we are!    After nearly a week of reading the internet, joining this forum getting opinions and advice, I went out today about bought the Billing Boats "Mary Ann" No 472.   Along with the boat itself, i got the basic tools to get me underway.    

There is a reason why i chose to build this particular model.  About 30 years ago my father built the exact same model.  So, thought it would be good to have ago myself and see if I can achieve the same sort of results as he did.   He does not know i am doing this, and if all goes to plan I will give it to him when its complete.   Not sure what he will do with two... but it will be interesting to compare techniques!!  Anyway, back to the build itself.

The boat was bought from Westbourne Model Shop and the chap who I spoke to (sorry forgot his name) could not have been more helpful!  I didnt even have to ask for the box to be opened to look inside.    At this time i have just opened the box and looked at the contents and taken the pictures below.  Next task will be to check that everything major is there.

This is a first time build for me so i am sure there will be some ups and downs and a few questions to be asked.  But, if all goes to plan this will help someone else in the same position as me to give it ago.

Best Rgds
Aidi


PS. If you are planning on using this build log to aid in your own build of this model, please read all the way through prior to commencing your build.  There are numerous "hints and tips" which have added at various stages which could aid you prior to comencing a particular step on the build

Thanks very much
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on September 26, 2009, 10:15:02 pm
Looking forward to the start.. :-) :-) :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: ajb68 on September 26, 2009, 10:27:59 pm
Good luck with the build , hope all goes well for you  :-)) Regards Andy
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on September 26, 2009, 10:53:21 pm
Hi Aidi

I have built one of those. You can see a few pictures of my build here:- 

http://lutonmodelboat.co.uk/maryann_gallery/index.html

Have fun. I must admit that I did enjoy the build.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 26, 2009, 10:59:12 pm
Many thanks for the link Bob,  I am sure i will be refering to the pictures a fair bit during the build
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on September 26, 2009, 11:04:34 pm
Aidi

I still sail the 'Mary Ann' regularly. In fact it is one of my favourite boats.

If you need any detail photos let me know and I will see what I can do.

Bob.
Title: Step 1 - Read & Measure then... Read & Measure again!
Post by: Aidi on September 27, 2009, 11:31:20 pm
After much studying of the plans and looking at the picutres of Bob's build, I made a start.  Being new to this I was probably a bit over cautious.  Double checking that I had the right bits of wood and  double checking the measurements as per the manual.  Over all, it took me a bout 45 mins to get to this stage!  Anyway, its only the first step, but I quite pleased with how its gone so far.  

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: tigertiger on September 28, 2009, 01:07:53 am
Hi Aida

I am looking forward to watching this build.

As for taking your time. You can never take too much time. Whenever I hurry, that is when I make mistakes.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on September 28, 2009, 07:33:29 am
.....and remember the old saying...."Measure twice, cut once"......
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on September 28, 2009, 08:55:26 am
Aidi,

One of the first things I did was fitted the propshaft.

I did not use the propshaft provided but bought a new Graupner shaft from Westbourne models which I then cut down to size.

I drew the outline of the frame on a piece of card and then cut a piece the size of the shaft from the stern frame along the line I wanted.

Using the outline to ensure the frame was the correct size and shape I then glued the shaft in place with araldite being careful to ensure the frame remained flat.

This was the simplest and easiest way I could think of to complete this operation. Much easiier than doing it later.

Hope this helps.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 28, 2009, 06:55:32 pm
Thanks for the tip Bob. I did notice you had done this in your pictures.   Would you still suggest doing this even though its only going to be static?   I dont have any intention of going down the RC route with this build.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on September 28, 2009, 07:57:55 pm
Aidi,

Sorry, I just assumed that your intention was to sail it.

In that case the propshaft supplied will be fine.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 28, 2009, 10:59:46 pm
Just a quick question if anyone can help...  Can i assume that the main board with the laser cuts of the vertical frames are in the correct order from bow to sternl?  

The two bow and two stern pieces are pretty obvious, its just the ones in the middle which i am concerned with.  

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on September 28, 2009, 11:18:50 pm
Aidi,

If you look at page 21 of the handbook you will see a drawing which shows all the frames numbered.

You then have to match these frame numbers to the drawing on page 12 to ensure you get them in the correct place.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 28, 2009, 11:33:48 pm
 :embarrassed:

... The old saying comes to mind...  RTFM!    Thanks for the quick reply Bob,  much appreciated

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 29, 2009, 09:44:00 pm
I am pleased!   :}

It amazes me how doing something which in reality is pretty simple can give so much satisfaction.    Last thing i did last night was to glue together the length of wood which makes up the keel and where the frames slot onto it.

I have just removed the clamps and sanded the odd bit of glue off the surface.  I am quite pleased with the result!

Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 30, 2009, 07:58:50 pm
Its starting to look like a boat now!  All of the frames are now numbered in the correct order, and the small spacers between each frame measured and lettered.  Much to my delight when the frames were positioned, the spacers fitted in the gaps just perfectly.  I guess luck was on my side tonight (more than i can say for my day at work!)

Time to get the set squaure out and get the frames and spacers glued into position.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: DickyD on September 30, 2009, 08:06:17 pm
Nice shine on the bench  :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on September 30, 2009, 10:26:26 pm
Another shot after the first of the frames and spacers have been glued into position.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on October 01, 2009, 08:33:23 am
Looks a good steady start. Just ensure the frames are all square and sat low enough on the keel. Sorry if teaching granny to suck eggs...
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 02, 2009, 09:31:21 pm
Things are coming along nicely!  I did have a scare and a moment of panic though!  After the frames had been glued into position with a lot of care to ensure they were square, one of the frames had moved and was tilting over to the right (looking from the stern).  Wasnt really too sure how to proceed, so after asking the question over in the tech forum, i eventually decided to give it a small "wiggle" and much to my delight the offending frame came loose without any damage.  Guess i was lucky this time, or didnt use enough glue in the first place!

Anyway, the ribs which go between the frames are now in place and the horizontal strengthening bars glued into position.   A quick tip here... make sure that the 3x5mm strip which runs the length of the boat will fit in the frame parts 2 and 9 before you glue those frame parts into position.  On frame 2 they fitted just fine, but on frame part 9 i had to chisel a small amount away so it would fit in the gap. This would have been much easier being done before the frame part was in position!  When it came to fitting the supporting strips they proved to be quite difficult to hold into position.  With a bit of care i managed to utilize the small clamps which i already had.

So far I have even exceeded my own expectations.  I am very pleased with the progress i have made.  Next is getting the deck into place and before i know it ill be starting the planking!!
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: tigertiger on October 03, 2009, 02:24:28 am
Looks a good steady start. Just ensure the frames are all square and sat low enough on the keel. Sorry if teaching granny to suck eggs...

Yep, I can second that.
I had a frame sitting too high when I did my first attempt at a scratch build. Luckilly the glue was not fully set before I realised. Pulled it off, re cut, and glued again.

Your boat is coming on nicely Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 04, 2009, 11:20:48 pm
Not much progress over the weekend.   The deck is the next thing to go on.   Just spent the last hour going over the model and found a couple of areas which needed attention with a bit of glue!    A couple of areas took a bit of thinking about to get some sort of clamping in place, but with a couple of elastic bands and some of the off cuts its amazing how you can figure out a way!

Hoping to get the deck in place over the next few days
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 06, 2009, 06:58:28 pm

The decks are now in place!  The slots on the decking which fit between the frames needed a bit of enlarging so it fitted nicely.  I was a little unsure to start with, but after seeking some advice (thanks bob) they were suitably enlarged, and the deck fitted like a charm.  Again, a bit of modification so the two deck pieces joined nicely along the edge and it was ready for glueing. 

Make sure you have clamps with enough reach so the deck is secure against the frame of the hull.  I ended up using a combination of small clamps, clothes pegs and elastic bands!  I also found that velcro straps were useful to keep the decks tight together in order to get a nice snug joint along the centerline.  Again, i took my time, sought advice and with a little latteral thinking came away with a nice tidy finish.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on October 06, 2009, 07:14:50 pm
Aidi,

An interesting point! Your deck sections don't appear to have the overlay printing that mine had.

The overlay print was certainly useful in positioning the cabin. If you look at the pictures of my build you should see what I mean.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 06, 2009, 07:49:09 pm
Did you have to lay planks on your deck, or varnish over the top of the pre-drawn lines?   From what i understand, the later versions of the Mary Ann use a planked deck which would count for it not having any markings on the deck

Sound about right?
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on October 06, 2009, 08:06:26 pm
Aidi,

I always plank my decks so the overlay was not useful for that. However the overlay printing showed the position of all the main deck fittings so helped alot with the positioning of them. Saved all that measuring. It was just a surprise to see it missing (If that makes sense).

Keep up the good work.

Bob.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 06, 2009, 08:17:05 pm
Would sure have made life easier, thats for sure!   But it will be another challenge to work out and keep the ole grey matter ticking!
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 07, 2009, 12:07:13 am
Following on from what you pointed out Bob,  I totally forgot, but there is a template which will make marking out the position of the cabins etc on the deck easier. 

If you look at the the very first set of pictures on this thread, the very bottom picture shows the template included in the kit.  This should make it far easier for placement.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Bob_V on October 07, 2009, 07:51:08 am
Look's like they now print it on paper instead of the deck.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: harrin on October 07, 2009, 01:01:42 pm
Here's couple of pics (text in Finnish only, sorry!) of building my Mary Ann. Very nice boat, one of my favorites, and sails very well.

http://www.sulara.fi/artikkelit/maryann.htm

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 07, 2009, 04:16:08 pm
Lots of sanding and fettling to get the edges of the decks and the frame verticals nice and flush.  I should have probably used a lower grade of sandpaper to get started and get the basic shapes before finishing with the 600 which i already had.  Over all i am pretty pleased with the result. 

Following on from the conversation about the deck markings, i have cut out and placed the provided plan on the deck. Again i was real pleased that everything lined up and it ran straight down the centerline.. Beginners luck?

Also, thanks to Harrin for the link to his build.  I am sure some of your pictures will become invaluable as reference points as i progress.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 07, 2009, 07:23:34 pm
Just a quick question before i start doing the planking.    I see from some pictures that some have used nails to hold planks in place.   Is this a personal preference or something that is recommened?   
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 07, 2009, 10:10:37 pm
At this stage i have decided to go ahead without using nails.  If the need arises then i can still go ahead and use them.

If there is one stage which i have been looking forward to and at the same time be anxious its the start of the planking.  After some more reading on the subject I have managed to get the first one into place. I used a plank bending tool to put some cuts in the back side of the strip to help get it around the curves. I saw the planking clamps being used in another build, and thought they were a great idea.  I got them from Miskin Models and they are excellent! The velcro straps also came in useful again to keep the gap on the extreme bend as close to the hull as possible.  Lets hope the rest of the planking goes as good as the first!
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: More Coffee on October 07, 2009, 10:40:35 pm
Nice build ..

The velcro straps ...now thats a pretty slick idea  :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on October 08, 2009, 07:33:03 am
Don't be afraid to use "nails" or more accurately pins to help with the planking. Just try not to push them in fully, so that when the plank is dry they are easily removed. Once you get to the heavily curved sections I think you will probably need them, although I do like your velcro straps idea.

Barry
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: More Coffee on October 09, 2009, 01:23:31 am
as Footski was saying ..and in addition there is a pusher tool for the pins ...may want to check into that ..maybe ..
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on October 09, 2009, 08:18:30 am
Those pusher for pins are good but be careful. It is very easy to push too hard so the pin almost buries itself in the wood. I try to start the pin off with one and finish it with a small hammer to the depth I want..
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: andrewh on October 09, 2009, 08:55:21 pm
Aidi

Thank you very much for the build log - clear and interesting :D

I too would not use pins/nails, but every other clamping device known to personkind.

Don't forget the humble rubber band, and its larger brother the strip of model aircraft elastic (6mm x 1mm approx)  ~A metre length of this will wrap 50 times round a hull and apply pressure over a length of plank - and it can "reach" into difficult areas if you trap a block of something (balsa, hard foam) to transfer the force to where you need it - like the lower planks of a hulll near the keel.

Also remember the inner tube - bicycle, motor bike and car (and lorry).  Available free :} from tyre places. 
Heat resistant to about 200deg (stick it in the oven with the parts)
Slice across the tube to make small rubbber bands
Use as a long , strong bandage
slice round the tube to make strip (see above)
Stuff inside something and inflate gently to apply pressure in difficult places

watching and applauding on the square leg boundary
andrew
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 12, 2009, 12:10:55 am
Not a lot of progress over the weekend.   After starting a quick thread about planking, i have finished doing the second layer of planking and going to decide how best to continue tomrrow.   Its been suggested that it might be better to start from the keel and work up, or even start in the middle.   Not sure which is the best approach yet.

The first two strips have gone on quite nicely.  A bit of sanding at the end to get rid of the small step, but that was to be expected.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on October 12, 2009, 08:03:30 am
Now that looks great. If you decide to start planking in the middle. leave those planks on. I would even try the next two on either side, but try them dry to see how the bend goes. If it is too much, you will have to start trimming.

Barry
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 13, 2009, 10:57:40 pm
After my post with regards to planking, i have started to plank from the keel upwards.  First two layers have been applied and not looking too bad.  I am finding the planking clamps which i bought invaluable, and keeps everything nicely in place. 

Probably not the best job in the world, but i am pretty pleased with the result considering its my first attempt!

This will be it for a short while as work is taking me away from home for the next 10 days unfortunatley.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Greggy1964 on October 13, 2009, 11:39:50 pm
For steaming planks I use an old steam wall paper stripper, the hose is attached to a length of lagged PVC drain pipe big enough to fit your longest plank.

The hose goes through a bung screw fixed at the bottom end and a removable bung at the other in which is cut a vent hole with an adjustable cover.

The pipe is supported at an angle of about 45 degrees to ensure the steam rises and the planks are evenly cooked.

Slip your planks in the tube, replace bung and cook for about an hour or so depending on plank thickness - don't forget to top up the reservoir on the steamer though!

With gloved hand remove bung and pull out rubbery planks as you need them, quickly clamp in place on hull before they cool and leave over night.

The planks don't have to go exactly in their finished positions, just closely enough so they remember the tight curve you want them to follow. This way you can fix a bundle at one go and shape them for final fit when they have cooled and set.

Its a slow job but your planks will go around tight curves!
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on October 28, 2009, 09:59:14 pm
Howdie,

It seems like an age since i last posted here and did some work on the boat.  I should be heading home this weekend, so with a bit of luck ill be able to get started again next week and get some more pictures uploaded.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 04, 2009, 10:25:43 pm
After the best part of 4 weeks being away, I have finally managed to continue with the planking again. Not knowing any different, i think its coming along ok.  The planks seem to being going into place ok.  Hopefully over the next few days ill be able to progress more with the planking.

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 15, 2009, 04:46:12 pm
The planking is not so simple now! The curviture of the stern means alot more attention and shaping of the planks as they are laid. So far i have had to insert 2 stealers, but i reckon there will be a fair few more before i finish off.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 22, 2009, 09:44:42 pm
After a few reservations about how to proceed last week, things seem to have come together and one side of the hull is nearly complete.  I couldn't resist running the sandpaper over one side of the completed stern and smoothing it down a bit.  Nothing too vigerous, just enough to get the effect.  I'll not do it any more until the hull is complete.

Had a couple of areas where i found the planks were not sitting onto the frames as they should. It seems the frame is at fault so it will probably mean gluing a bit of wood to it, then sanding down so the planks will glue to them. Anyway, this will be it for a while, as work takes me away for yet another 2 to 3 week :-(.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on November 22, 2009, 10:12:02 pm
Not easy, but very rewarding. A great job so far.. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 23, 2009, 09:47:11 pm
A bit annoyed today  :(( :((

Whilst glueing some of the last remaing planks, i pushed too hard on the hull and managed to break off two of the posts which are on the deck level of the model.   I dont think it will be too much of a problem as they shoudl be able to be glued back into position when i put the strip around the top of the deck.

I am more annoyed that i have managed to get so far with the build and break something at this point.  Oh well, i guess its one of the joys of models... if something happens, figure out how to resolve the problem and move on!

Planking is nearly complete, and looking forward (with a bit of anticipation) to starting the sanding and filling of the hull.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on November 23, 2009, 09:57:06 pm
Aidi,

We all break them at some time. Stick them back on, they will be fine when it all comes together......which reminds me, on some models those above deck struts are removed after planking on many models. Are they with your build?
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 23, 2009, 10:12:36 pm
On the Mary Ann, the struts remain in place.    I think what i'll do is get the strip around the struts in place, then glue them back in position.  With the surface area being so small it would be near on impossible to glue them at this time.   
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 25, 2009, 10:30:15 pm
Finally... The last plank on the hull has been put into place!  its taken a good while to get this far, a number of hurdles and much scratching of the head, but its all paid off and although its not the prettiest at the moment I am pretty pleased with the result.  I reckon once its been sanded down and good use of filler it will be ok.

Any good tips on sanding and filling which might help me along my way??

Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: derekwarner on November 26, 2009, 06:00:51 am
Aidi ....good looking traditional under water hull lines

Before you start the external hull sanding....you may wish to consider reinforcing the internals of the hull with glass tissue & fibreglas resin - this will provide two benefits  :-))

1) you will have a hull with planking that will not distort or deform when sanding
2) you will have a water tight hull for the future

Keep posting .jpgs..........Derek
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on November 26, 2009, 08:18:31 am
Derek,

As Aidi is building this as a static display model only, there is no need to fibreglass the inside... %) %)

Aidi,

Try to use a small sanding block if you can to keep the sandpaper flat and even. Check the results regularly as the planking can go too thin in places if you are not careful..
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 27, 2009, 09:04:07 pm
I was a little nervous getting on with the stage of sanding and filling.  I knew that in some places the planking would be quite thin, and was worried that i would break through the hull and end up having to patch it.   Lucky for me, after sanding to get a smooth surface on most of the hull, no holes appeared!!

Took a while to figure out the best method to get the filler applied.  Found the best way was to use my old Sky Viewing Card!  Seemed to have worked quite nicely.

With this being my first attempt at building a plank on frame, i have probably used a lot more filler than most!

I dont think the pictures below really do it justice, as when i run my hands over the hull its nice and smooth.   There are just one or two areas which need just a tiny bit of filler, but overall i think its ready for me to have a go at painting.  More reading on the various techniques involved i think!  BTW, it will all be done with a brush.  The only exception might be the primer.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on November 27, 2009, 10:10:43 pm
Aidi,

Coming on nicely, but I am afraid you are some way off painting it yet. The paint will show up any imperfection so get back to work sanding it really smooth. Then when you think it is done, sand again. Then try a thin coat of primer, preferably sprayed. This will show up imperfections you didn't think were there, so it will be back to sanding again. Hard work, but it will be well worth it in the end.

Barry
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: john j on November 27, 2009, 10:44:46 pm
I`m watching this with interest  :-)) Whats the deal when the hull is varnished instead of painted, as regards the filler ?

Is it the case the joints just have to be perfect ?

Is it ok to plank the hull from the top and bottom, and meet in the middle ?

                                            cheers
                                                  john
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: derekwarner on November 28, 2009, 01:28:22 am
johnj.........asks.... "Whats the deal when the hull is varnished instead of painted, as regards the filler ? - Is it the case the joints just have to be perfect ?  

Well jj...essentially yes....but we have a few 'helps' we can apply

1) using thicker planking material allows for a greater sand off & can eliminate the need for any filler...[model planking of 1/8" or 3.17 mm is not uncommon]
2) planks will need to be tapered towards the FWD & AFT locations
3) the planks will also need angular tapering on the top & lower face....... :-)) ....just visualize a true rectangular plank butted up to the next plank when going through a change of section  :o

A member here kno3....has a splendid example of a varnished planked hull ice breaker.....search under live steam & 'knor3' ......

I would not necessarily suggest this latter construction for your first planked hull  >:-o .....Derek
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: john j on November 28, 2009, 01:46:41 am
Hi derek,

Thanks for the reply, i think this is gonna be a very steep learning curve.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on November 29, 2009, 04:01:17 pm
Aidi,

Coming on nicely, but I am afraid you are some way off painting it yet.

Barry

After a lot more reading, i went out and got some P38 Filler from Halfords.  A bit of experimenting and I can see where you are coming from Barry!  The P38 is much easier to work with than the filler i was originally using, and the finish with it is like glass!   Takes a while to get it that smooth, but its worth the effort!    Ill get on with doing the rest of the hull and post some pics as i go

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: ajb68 on November 29, 2009, 05:31:23 pm
Its looking very good mate , keep up the relentless sanding it will be worth it ! i think the model you are building is what my old command used to look like when she was built  :-))

Regards Andy
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: ajb68 on November 29, 2009, 05:34:25 pm
Just a thought but is there a set of plans available for this kind of boat , bigger of course about 3 ft
Regards Andy
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on January 10, 2010, 07:54:30 pm
Well after a break over Christmas, i have gotten started on the boat again.   Not a huge amount done to be honest.   Got the planking on around the vertical posts.  It was my first attempt at bending this thin ply, but it didnt come out too bad in the end.  Didnt make it any easier having broken off a couple of the posts at the stern.

The small drain holes (scuppers?) look quite nice.  Maybe a small amount of work to just perfectly square them off.    Probably down to inexperiece, but i seem to have used a fair amount of filler!   I started off using this white putty stuff, but soon found that it was not that good.  Started to use P38 and it gives a much better finish.  One of the sides of the hull is nearly done, and the other a good evenings work to get it looking and feeling nice.   

Overall, i am quite happy with my progress being it my first build.  Looking forward to the next milestone, laying the first coat of paint!!

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on January 14, 2010, 10:27:52 pm
After lots or reading on how to best get the strip to bend around the hull, i opted for hot water and soaking the strip of wood for a few minutes.  I was pleasantly suprised how easily it bent into shape. I left it clamped over night for the wood to dry and it kept its shape quite nicely when it was time to glue it on.

With the hull now nice and smooth all over, the rubbing strips have been glued into place along with the chain plates. Just a small bit of sanding to do to cover up and small marks and it will be ready for a coat of primer i think.  The small vertical rubbing strips were quite fiddly to do, but i got there in the end!  The main rubbing strip around the hull went on a lot easier than i imagined.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on March 28, 2010, 03:07:30 pm
Not posted here for a while, i hope you hadn't thought i had abandoned the build!   Had a bit of a hectic time of late, but should be back to it now.  Hopefully a few pictures in the coming days.

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on April 05, 2010, 06:03:20 pm
Another milestone reached with the build.  Today i finally finished the hull paint work!  I have done it with Humbrol Satin by hand and pretty pleased with the results.   Its by no means the best it could be... that i guess comes with experience!   There were just a couple of areas on the hull which could have done with a tiny bit of filler, but i decided against filling them as it would give the hull a bit originality.

There is an ever so slight ridge between the two colours on the water line, but I am not worried in the slightest about it.  I dont envisage it being handled by anyone when its complete!!

I achieved the finsh by using 2 coats of dulux primer and undercoat, and very lightly sanding with 1200 wet/dry.   Then 2 coats of satin white again very lightly sanded with 1200 wet/dry.   2 coats of satin brown for the bottom of the hull with 1200 wet/dry.

Maybe a little unconventional, but once it was all dry, i dipped some kitchen towel in water and gently buffed the coats of paint.  This brought it up quite nicely! Its now not too dull and not too glossy which is the result i wanted.

Overall, considering its my first attempt i am pretty pleased with the result!

Rgds
Aidi
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on April 15, 2010, 11:32:04 pm
I started on the deckhouse mounting this week. Its not much to look at, but it was quite a challenge to put together.  Because of the thin ply it was difficult to get it in position and suitably clamped down in order for the glue to set.  To make things a bit easier, as you can see in the picture i used some off cuts in the corners to give a greater purchase for the glue, and it also make the job way easier to clamp.  The beam across the mounting was not so much for strenth, but to keep the two sides parallel when glueing.  I couldnt see the point in removing it, so left it in situ.

The front angled part of the mounting again was a challenge.  After sanding down the edges to ensure a good fit on the angles, with some pins, tape, clamps and some selective language it all went together.  A bit of sanding after and i am please with the result.

The next bit was to sand the base of it so it matched the contours of the deck.  Again, took a while but it now a nice flush fit.   A bit more prep and it will be ready for painting!

Rgds
Aidan
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: tigertiger on April 16, 2010, 05:17:20 am
She is really looking good now. I love the hull shape.  :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: barryfoote on April 16, 2010, 08:08:25 am
She looks beautiful. All that sanding was worth it in the end... :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on April 20, 2010, 09:04:56 pm
More work on the deck objects this week, and also started laying the decking.  A few of the small deck objects were a real pain to glue.  Took a bit of thinking to get them right, but overall i am pleased with the results. The curve on the foredeck hatch was easier that expected.  I ended up using my food steamer! 10 minutes in it gave the plywood perfect flexibility to create the curve.

Also started on the decking.  So far so good!  There are a couple of areas where i will need to fill gaps with ever so small stealers (is this the correct term to use when refering to deck planks?) will be the order of the day. 

Everytime I look at the next stage it kind of overwhelms me on how to best achieve the result, and i often wonder if i  am going to cock it up. But, i have quickly learnt that patience is a virtue whilst building this model, and that extra few minutes figuring out how to approach it really does pay off.
Title: Re: Billing No 472 - Mary Ann Build Log
Post by: Aidi on April 29, 2010, 11:21:18 pm
A quick update on where I am with the build.  The decking is now in place and the first coat of varnish is on.   The pilot house is well on its way too.  It might not look much at this time, but many hours have been spent to get it to this stage.  All the detailing around the windows and the rear door took a fair amount of time and patience!

Again, I am pretty pleased with the outcome.