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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: ray123 on September 29, 2009, 10:41:48 pm
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i have started building a models by design gm 33 (the last trawler i built was a smaller 1;16th scale gm33 '10years ago nexted month') its going to be powered buy a robbe navy 'geared' 5:1 on 12volt 70mm prop shop prop the hull is poilished not painted 'andy moulding are very good' :-))
ill post pics as i build it (maybe a while as im doing a tug at the same time :-)) regards ray
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more pics :-))
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Looking good there Ray :-)) keep up the good work :}
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hi andy thanks for the comment :-)) hows your one going?? regards ray
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getting there slowly , had a few other things on of late but got whaleback done and half the wheel house interior done ,deck will be sealed down this week then the rail cappings will go on which will make a big difference , did you make your own tiller arm for your rudder Ray ?
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hi andy the tiller arms i use are from robbe they are very good :-)) & havernt had no problems with one yet in the pack you get 2 sizes 2 fit 3mm & 4mm rudder shafts (westbourne model centre my robbe stuff comes from) regards ray
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Cheers mate will get on to them and get it sorted :-))
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Just took a few pics so you can see what ive been up to lots more to do yet , rails go on next week then things can start getting fitted properly :-))
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hi andy shes comming along very well :-)) regards ray
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Just a quick update on my progress , fitted the wheelhouse windows and door , wheelhouse interior almost finished decks fitted down and sealed , will post new pics in a few days . regards Andy :-))
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sounds good andy ill hopefully start on my wheelhouse somtime in the nexted day or so O0 cutting the scupper's in tomorow & paint inside the balwarks & who knows might be able to paint the deck ;) regards ray
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Hi Guys,
I bought my GM33 a few days before Ray and collected from Andy (Models By Design) on my way down to Weymouth with my caravan but (as you will see from the photos) he is further on with his. The finish on the hulls is absolutely superb and, I suppose if you are careful, you can get away without painting but I found that when removing some of the moulding flash marks I went through the gel coat and decided to paint with the usual Halfords spray cans. I have fitted can MFA Torpedo 800 motor to be run off 12 volts and I will, no doubt, get an ESC from Action. The only query I have, Ray, is whether you used balsa or hardwood for the uprights between the deck and the bulwarks. Don't hold your breath waiting for the next instalment - I am not a very fast builder. %)
An ongoing problem that I have with my model making is finding a sticky backed foam strip that sticks only to the stand and not to the hull. So far I have not found one that does not have this problem and, if not careful, you end up with marks left on the hull. :((
Derek. :police:
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Hi Derek i would use hardwood for the ribs due to the stress that will be on them due to the bends in the rail timber ,your boat seems to be coming along nicely ! keep up the good work :-)) regards Andy
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Derek
I use the door draught seal strip,couple of drops of superglue to seal to stand,no marks on hull.
Or pipe lagging wont leave any marks either.
Mark
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Thanks for the info Mark and Andy. You may be able to see on one of the photos that I have supported the hull with 4 pieces of pipe lagging as a temporary measure. I'm sure that I have used draught seal in the past but I will give it another try (stand by B&Q and/or Homebase :-))). The only thing that worries me about using hardwood for the ribs, Andy, is that there are so many of them and the upper inner part of the hull has a slight curve in it and they would need a fair amount of carving to fit. The bulwark timbers would not cause any undue pressure on the hull or ribs as I intend to laminate them from 1mm mahogany strip.
Derek :police:
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As you say balsa would probably be ok but i would still go for hardwood as i think it would give a better finish but thats just my opinion mate , im sure a good finish can be obtained with balsa also ive just not used it much myself , i wrongly assumed you were going to use the rail cappings from Andy in which case balsa wouldnt work so well , boats looking nice tho , what are you going to rig it as , nearly all shrimpers and crabbers that way arent they ! i spent a lot of time in kings lynn as i used to skipper a shrimper for a firm in lynn , regards Andy
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I will probably rig it the same as the original 1:16 drawings - I have a 1:16 model almost finished. I don't think that any of the Lynn boats bear any similarity to the Cygnus but I am an outsider to this area as I am originally a North Yorkshireman via the Metropolitan Police and living in Hertfordshire. I have happy memories of your part of the world, Andy - visiting a friend of mine who retired as licensee from my favourite pub in Cheshunt and lived in the flats set high up in Shaldon and celebrating our visit at The Ness. Happy days :-). I have not finally decided on the hardwood/balsa question but may give the hardwood a go first of all.
Derek. :police:
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hi derek boats looking well fir the uprights / ribs i used 8mm x 8mm spruse i got it from a stand at wings & wheels i think balsa my be to soft to use i only managed to cut out the scuppers today (other jobs held me up!!) still 'another day tomorow' regards ray
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an update display stand painted decks painted the anti foul painted & the boot top line on poilished the hull the hull is almost finished just the name & fishing numbers to go on now :-)) 'marked the windows where they have to be cut out' regards ray
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Looking good, Ray. Mine is coming along slowly but not as far ahead as yours. When fitting the uprights between the deck and bulwarks, how did you get round the fact that the hull has quite a convex curve - did you carve the uprights to shape?
By the way someone has submitted a query about the Canadian logging tugs and I mentioned your name to him.
Derek. :police:
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hi derek thanks i did trim / shape the uprights slightly then filled in the gaps O0 (i made contact with the guy about canadian tugs thank you ) regards ray
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Hi Ray
That's one fine fishing boat you have there.
Paul is doing his at the moment (My old one)
Will yours be ready for Warwick?
Any news on the items we talked about at the hop farm?
See you soon.
Del
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hi del im not able to go to warwick this year due to work %) i have a reply & he has one but isnt a full kit i have e mailed him again yesterday but not heared anything as of yet! ill let you know as soon as i know regards ray
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Hi Guys,
I only recently joined the forum, so if I get anything wrong please excuse me. {:-{
Just thought I’d drop in to say I’m also working on a 1/12 scale Cugnus (SF) 33. I actually got mine last year, but due to other commitments have not made as much progress as I would have hoped. I’ve attached a picture showing the current state of progress.
Currently I’m working on the trawl winch. I obtained a ‘kit’ of plastic parts from Andy. But although I know nothing about such winches I quickly realised that, if built as supplied, Andy’s kit would be a very basic ‘representation’ of the real thing, so having managed to get some pics of various full size winches, and thanks to a 10 minute ‘master class’ from Ray a couple of months ago at our lake (thanks Ray), I’m working on some enhancements to Andy’s kit. I’ll post a picture when it’s more ‘presentable’.
Just wondered if anybody’s given much thought to the ‘stern frame’ yet? What material do you think you might use? Andy has suggested 1/2” sq which I think sounds a bit heavy. My feel is that about 3/8” might be more like it (representing 4”sq full size). Also what material – brass, light alloy, plastic, timber?
Any thoughts?
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hi pete b your sf33 is looking very nice well done :-)) for the gantry ill be useing brass but not sure of the size yet & design regards ray
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Hi mate your boat is looking great :-)) 3/8 would be about right rectangular or square in the standard A pattern examples of this can be found on www.findafishingboat.com look in the under 10 meter section there will be loads of them there , regards Andy
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Not sure if the link will work but this is my old command , i was skipper on her when she was built you can just see the trawl gantry on her :-)) Regards Andy
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Wish i got one now,earlier in the year Andy's stand had one at a show.
I think he's son (forgive me if i'm wrong), put it in the water.By the buddy god of me did it fly,with a brushless setup.
I love fish boats and fast boats,this one combines the both.
The hull without the boob on the front of it {-)
Mark
P.S Link works Andy
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This might be better Andy.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for your helpful suggestions; I'm away on my narrowboat now for about the next week or so, so no work on the Cygnus until I get home. Hoping to get to the Warwick show next weekend it's easy to get to from the boat, so I'm hoping to pick up some bits and pieces for the Trawler.
Regards
Pete :-))
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hi andy thanks for the pic she looked a nice one! :-) ive cut the windows out now & it has a name new venture & reg numbers LO 110 (LO 110 (ina-k) was the last trawler i was on so i though ill use the reg numbers :-)) i still work on the ina k 'from time to time' but only survey work
regaqrds ray
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Hey craftysod calm down 8) The Cygnus 33 and did about 9 knots max so not fast but you could do that speed into just about any weather O0 if your after a fast fishing boat have a look at that auction site there are often one ore two on there,, ive seen a picture of the one you are on about and while its a nice model seeing a Cygnus ass down nose up aint right (unless its a cyclone) Models by design do a cyclone hull i think ,
HEY RAY we got summit else in common , i worked on a boat with a London reg LO121 Gabrielle k an ex liverpool class lifeboat , as for the Sea Spray yes she was a cracking boat if you dont mind the constant rolling but in bad weather i wouldn't want to be in anything else !
Nice name for the new one by the way ive reached the painting stage just about :} trouble is im also starting on 2 more , a model of shelterdeck crabber PEADER ELAINE which will be a twin rig prawn trawler (modifying the plans a tad ) and the other is a model of ALTAIR a Scottish pelagic boat shes gonna be a big girl at approx 5 feet in length ;) chat soon Regards Andy
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I agree with you Andy, I think that Craftysod may have seen the Cyclone or the Revenge, both done by Models By Design. I think that either of them would look good as a fast angling charter boat. :-))
Derek. :police:
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There is a picture on here somewhere of a Cygnus 33 going at about Mach 5 :} but everybody is different i suppose , would be boring if we all liked the same things but as you say the cyclone and revenge would make nice looking charter boats the only problem i have with those type of hulls is that they sit on the water as opposed to in it and suffer in breezy conditions on a steering course but that said i may well build one they are nice hulls
Regards Andy
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this is the one craftysod was refering to i think , of course could be wrong
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This is the one i meant,it can be seen at back far right of pic.
Got green hull and you are right its a revenge
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Mark
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You might want to check this out.
Fishing boat with a brushless motor !
Andy Griggs of Models By Design is a member of our club.
http://www.srcmbc.org.uk/photo_galleries/gallery_albums/MFVs_by_Andy_Griggs/index.html
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Nice boats no doubt , i will get round to doing one someday O0 got 3 on the go at present my cygnus and 2 scratchbuilds just need a bigger workshop :-)) :-))
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Still working on my 1:12 scale Cygnus but, at long last, I have got my 1:16 version tank tested. It's only about 6 years since I got the hull, etc., from Metcalf Mouldings. :-) However, I bought a new deck and wheelhouse from Andy (Models By Design) and used that.
The first photo shows her in my test tank with the appropriate amount of lead shot ballast on the deck and the second with the ballast stowed low down in the (approx) centre of the hull and floating nicely to her marks. The 2 white areas on the deck are styrene covers for cut-outs in the deck to gain access to the motor and rudder head and these have yet to be painted along with lots of other finishing touches.
If anyone is interested in my 'test tank' I bought it from Staples office supplies for a total of £12.96 inc. postage see - http://www.staples.co.uk/filing-and-archive-supplies/storage-boxes-plastic/coloured-storage-boxes/35-6l-clear-under-desk-box-783-x-392-x-165mm. It is possible to pick it up when it is nearly full of water but don't try it - I did and just as I was about to empty it it broke, therefore another one on order. :(( It can cope with being full of water without any problem. :-))
Must press on with the 1:12 one. O0
Derek. :police:
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Looking good there Derek :-)) they do make into a good looking boat capable of being on the water in conditions where others are unable to sail , what are you going to rig her as ?
Regards Andy
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Thanks for your kind comment, Andy. I still have the original drawings that I got from Dave Metcalf so I will probably rig it the same as that. I believe it will be the same as Ray111's 1:16 boat but nowhere near as good as he builds them. Going on how long it has taken me to get this far don't hold your breath for the completion. :(( I will say that this has now encouraged me to get a move on with the bigger model and looking forward to seeing what Andy has on his stand at Warwickshire. O0
Derek. :police:
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hi all derek your 1;16th one is looking nice 'when is sea trials''? regards ray
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Hi Ray,
I think that if the weather is kind it may go for 'sea trials' next Sunday. :-))
Derek. :police:
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Well due to being on holiday and making nets etc for others not much progress but hoping to get going again soon but also am going to start 2 other builds the first is the Altair a scottish pelagic boat she will be around 50" long and the second is the Peader Elaine which will have some light modification to the plans as she will be rigged as a twin rig prawn trawler so i will be pretty busy O0
Regards Andy
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Looking good, Andy. Keep sending the photos, I find them very encouraging. :-))
Derek. :police:
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Thanks Derek will do :-)) The whaleback is almost there now ive just got to fit the bulkhead in then fit the deck lights which ive made out of brass due to nobody doing the tube light s that this kind of boat would have ,
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hi andy shes looking good :-)) looks like sea trials wont be to long away? great work regards ray
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Hi Gents,
As Del Boy said I bought his 1:12th scale gm33 of him earlier in the summer, Del had started the boat , namely the wheelhouse deck and fitting of the rudder and propshaft - but Ive put it right now :}- not really mate ,as allways Dell has done a good job.
Since taking over the boat, Ive changed the rudder to a Becker rudder from Robbe- this was the same size as Del's original and fits and looks perfect!
The motor is a "Del special ", couple of years ago he bought a whole tray (10) of large Bhuler motors at warrick , these are about the size of a Graupner 900 but extremely low current draw and run real smooth.
The rear gangtry is square aluminium tube for B&Q pop riveted together with plastic end stops (B&Q)
I have fitted a JJC sound unit with a cooling fan , hopefully if its kept cool it might last more than ten minutes >:-o
Also I have made the top flap of the exhaust stack flap up and down in the same way as my arun lifeboats exhausts by using fine fishing line and a geared motor , the smoke is provided by a Graupner 12volt unit using uncle Alan's specail formula handed down over generations or should I call it BS {-).
Still a long way to go on the fitting out and I just realised that I have forgotton to fit the bullwarks !
Paul.
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Pics of the geared motor tha operates the lid in the smoke stack and feed bottle for the smoke unit.
paul
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Hi Paul
Nice to see you finishing another boat Keep looking at Rays pictures
and you night learn how to do it properly {-) {-) {-) Just kidding.
I look forward to seeing how many channels you use on the radio this time to get
it all working.
Still not sure about the boot topping colour.
Del
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As you can see she is getting there , progress has slowed due to other projects and yes Ray i did end up painting her as i hated the origional colour :} :o :-))
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Looking good, Andy. :-)) Mine is nowhere near as far on as yours. :(( Keep sending the pics - it is encouraging. :-))
Derek.
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She is getting there , painted the deck this evening as you can see the whaleback is still a work in progress but its close now the w/house is fitted out with instruments etc and a planked floor ive also made corner plates for the transom with bollards on them so they will be fitted soon but im ok with how things are going ,already onto the next one , a 5 ft model of the Altair a scottish pelagic trawler !! O0 O0 :-))
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hi andy looking 'the part now' good work the other one's getting there :-)) regards ray
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Thanks for your kind words sir %) hows it going with yours then ?
The Altair is gonna be a real pain to get sorted , if the shape of the stern isnt bad enough the bows have a big flare on them, and as for deck equipment oh dear !!! {:-{ but it will get there , no rush but i think a few harsh words will be said before shes done >>:-( >>:-( <*< <:(
Regards Andy
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well ive only put the window frames in today as this week ive still been on the boat surveying in force 8-9 somtimes 10 !great! %% %%
last day tomorow so i might be able to get on this weekend? regards ray
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Looking good there mate :-)) will have to have a cygnus regatta O0 :} {-) {-)
Regards Andy
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thanks andy that sounds good to me ;) regards ray
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Being nosey but what boatyard do you work at , reason i ask is my father runs his boat out of Bradwell and has it out of the water at Brightlingsea :-))
Regards Andy
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an update the wheelhouse has been fitted out the top glued on :D built a (brass) mast & fitted (non working lights) varnished the gunwhales 3 coat satin (ronsil) made the exhaust wired up the speed control slowly getting there regards ray
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Nice job, have you got any pics of the wheelhouse as I'm just about to start mine (be fair I only got mine from Andy in November) and I need inspiration for the fitting out.
Phil
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Lovely job on the woodwork there Ray.
Boats looking good
Mark
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Looking good, Ray. I am not as far ahead as you but getting there, slowly. :-))
Derek.
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hi phil i didnt really get any photos inside (i glued the top on before i realized i forgot to take some pics %)
hi craftysod thanks its getting there slowly i was pleased with the end result of the teak cappings :-))
hi derek thanks ive finished on the other boats so hopefully try to do more on this one now!! regards ray
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Hi guys, I have watched your posts with interest so now I will share my build with you all. I bought the Cygnus at the Ellesmere Port show last march. I was in quite a sorry state, I started with a simple plan from the manufacturers. The deck had been fitted to the top of the hull so the first job was to cut the deck free from the hull and reposition it. The Motor, Prop shaft and rudder were ready fitted so I left them. I had to strip the paint from the hull and the decks. Here are a couple of pictures from the start.
Andy
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Here are the other pictures
Andy
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This is now the same model, but still not finished
Andy
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Great transformation, Andy - looking good :-)). Is the winch scratch built ?
Derek.
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Hi Derek, the winch was bought from models by design but it was very basic. I used pictures of trawl winches and modified it to look more realistic. It still needs steel wire on the drums for the trawl plates and also that battered /used look.
Andy
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hi andy k thats a good job you have done there :-)) regards ray
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another up date made a gantry & a winch (still more to add!) :-)) regards ray
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You've done a good job on those parts Ray.
Keep up the good work.
Andy
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hi andy k thanks :-)) regards ray
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Hi Ray,
You’re really cracking on there, looking good. :-))
Would you mind telling us what the gantry’s made from and what size the cross section is, If it’s brass where did you get it?
Regards
Pete B
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thanks pete b the gantry is made from evergreen plastic shapes (sorry cant remeber the size ill have to look the nexted time im in the workshop)ive reinforced it with round tube & is very strong (it has less movement than the brass on on my other trawler) easyer to build no soldering just plastic weld :-)) regards ray
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update net drum made &fixed in place winch glued on rubber mats round the stern not to far away now from being finished :-))
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Looking good Ray, hope we will have the opportunity to see it at Alfold this June.
Alan
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hi alan if i still have it then ill bring it to the show :-)) regards ray
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Do you mean it is not yet finished but we may not see it? If you get rid then please make it a condition that the new owner brings it to Alfold.
Alan
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hi alan ill try my best ;) regards ray
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ive all but a few bits &pieces finished this project now thanks to those who commented regards ray
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Nice one Ray, hope mine looks as good when its finished.
Andy K
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Almost finished the Cygnus now named "Weymouth Boy "! I changed the boot topping colour to white to keep Del-boy happy,the pot hauler works and also the the drum so I can do some scale fishing, radar also works and when I get round to it the lights will all work , which have 10mm dia ultra bright LEDS fitted to them.
Paul.
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Hi all,
I'm currently building a 1/12 scale fishing boat and looking for some advice.Where do the ribs start? Right at the point at the bow or do they start away from the bow?How far apart are they?It has a cygnus type bow round stern based on a 10 metre fibre glass inshore boat.
Cheers
Ron
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Almost finished the Cygnus now named "Weymouth Boy "! I changed the boot topping colour to white to keep Del-boy happy,the pot hauler works and also the the drum so I can do some scale fishing, radar also works and when I get round to it the lights will all work , which have 10mm dia ultra bright LEDS fitted to them.
Paul.
Looking good Paul, we will open the frequency board on Saturday evening at Alfold so get them lights working, I sure it will look wonderful with the illumination.
Alan
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Took the Gm 33 fishing Sunday to see if the net roller drum works in action , had a few teathing problems - smoke unit is not very effective , I will have to have a re-think on that one , but the nets worked fine without the otter boards fitted as I want to use the net this what so I can just winch it in and out via radio control without having to bring it in a disconnect them.
Alan - I hope I don't catch any fish at Alfold, some of them are bigger than my boat!!- It would look like a Jaws re-enactment !
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What a great job :-)) :-)) your making of that Paul, glad to here it will be at Alfold, if I remember correctly Ray111 caught some fish with his Maggie M a few years back. Wasn't big enough for the BBQ though {-) {-)
Alan
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Looks the bees knees, I made model working trawl doors for my boat, just fitted a model amchor chain between the doors, they worked, Our lake is green enough not to see the trawl any way.
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Decided to make the stand for the Cygnus More interesting for the shows , I cut some MDF to shape to fit around the main stand , coated it with PVA glue and sprinkled sharp sand onto it the stapled some rope edging,
I collected seashore ornaments over the summer from Weymouth etc , of course I am not satisfied with it being purley static so in the treasurechest there is a digital dictaphone and in the dinghy there is a speaker and a small amplifer unit and Ive recorded seashore sounds, gulls crying and wait for it --the captain Pugwash theme music !
Paul.
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Your plot has gone Paul
Nice job on the stand though, good idea :-))
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What a great little boat :) well done indeed :-))
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Hy Paul
I saw this boat at Weymouth, cracking job mate, looked really good with the trawl out, pity I never had time for a chat. Can you tell me where you got the figures from, I,m just building up all the bits and pieces I need before I start mine.
Cheers
Bosun
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Hi Bosun,
I 'crew' my inshore trawler with the same figures, they are from George Turner Models, in 1/12 and 1/16 scale, ready painted. Highly recommneded.
The website address is www.georgeturnermodels.com
Cheers,
Mike
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Cheers Mike
Am I right in saying that your model won best in show at Weymouth, if so, I was the one haveing a chat with you before you put her on the water on the sunday, both boats were of a very high standard, :-)) pity about the show itself :((.
Bosun
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Hi just a few of my 12th scale cygnus i made this one about 4 years ago i am currently building a 16th scale cygnus sf33 as crab boat will put some pics up off both.Some nice cygnus boats on here!!!
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