Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: tigertiger on October 09, 2009, 11:05:06 am
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I am trying to buy lead for ballast, but I am being quoted silly figures. about £8 per kg.
I am trying to find out what the market price is generally to buy lead, not the price I would get at a scrap dealer.
I have tried googling to no avail.
If anybody has bought some recently, or has a website with a price, or a recent price, please let me know.
Thanks
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About $4.00 AUS a kilo for shot, work buys it for trimming full sized boats but you have to buy a pallet load, $8.00 per Kg for the rest of us mugs
Nick
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tt.... lead [pb] is a comodity that does not offen have 'offcuts' in general use....however in OZ the price for prepared.....lead shot is X 3 of the world metal price for that metal
lead shavings or shot is approx 1150 kg/cubic metre
brass shavings are approx 8400 kg/cubic metre
As you can see...you need 25% more brass than lead for the same ballast mass ....but any machine shop will sell brass/bronze machining swarf [chips] for the current world market price O0 ...or maybe a few bottles of Chinese rice wine??? O0 .....Derek
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Tiger,
This company advertise lead shot for modelers - http://www.leadshotballast.co.uk/
Barrie
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I am trying to buy lead for ballast, but I am being quoted silly figures. about £8 per kg.
I am trying to find out what the market price is generally to buy lead, not the price I would get at a scrap dealer.
I have tried googling to no avail.
If anybody has bought some recently, or has a website with a price, or a recent price, please let me know.
Thanks
Seeing as how China has bought up almost all of the scrap lead from the western world,I,would,nt have thought you would have a problem getting yer mitts on some,unless of course, you,re not,on the Banks of the Yellow River {-) {-)
Wullie
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Tiger
I just had a quote from my local Plumbers Merchant,-1 x roll of code 3 lead 6m x 300mm x 26kg = £61.09,which is around £2.20 per kg,so whoever quoted you £8 per kg,is a Rip off merchant,My local scrap Merchant quoted me £30 for 30kg,which is £1 per kg,If you want to place your order now,just say, {-)
Wullie
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I am trying to buy lead for ballast, but I am being quoted silly figures. about £8 per kg.
I am trying to find out what the market price is generally to buy lead, not the price I would get at a scrap dealer.
I have tried googling to no avail.
If anybody has bought some recently, or has a website with a price, or a recent price, please let me know.
Thanks
Tiger,try here,macbuildingproducts.com tel 0161 477 6652
Wullie
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Seeing as how China has bought up almost all of the scrap lead from the western world,I,would,nt have thought you would have a problem getting yer mitts on some,unless of course, you,re not,on the Banks of the Yellow River {-) {-)
Wullie
Now if they were buying scrap to sell as scrap then it would be easy. But they are smelting.
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...whoever quoted you £8 per kg,is a Rip off merchant,My local scrap Merchant quoted me £30 for 30kg,which is £1 per kg,If you want to place your order now,just say, {-)
Unfortunately I would have to buy fishing tackle weights, as so far this is the only source I have found. Hence the price. {:-{
They refuse to tell me their suppliers :-X . They would rather hang out for a potential sale than help people here. It is very often every man for himself. They would rather take the risk on selling nothing. People here rarely think beyond the imediate sale. Perhaps one of the reasons why there are so many family businesses and so few big chains here. Most of the big chains are overseas (non Chinese companies). >:-o
Builders don't use lead here. It would be ripped off the roof as soon as the sun goes down. :police:
I would love to place an order with you for rolls of lead :-)) But I don't think i could cover the postage. <:(
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Thanks for the info all of you :-))
From the look of the prices for prepared shot in the UK, the £8/kg is not that far off for fishing weights.
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Another source for lead shot is a dive shop. Some of them sell it loose or already packaged in pouches for diving weights. I bought some a few months ago but can't remember what I paid for it :((.
Derek. :police:
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Tiger,what you can do,if you are indeed on the Banks of the Yellow River,you can perhaps go toyour local scrap car dealer, and collect all the lead weights that are on the wheels,that are used for balancing, unless of course your local smelter,has already beaten you to it, {-)another option is, "although its a Hazardous subtance"is to buy loads of old thermometers,and take the mercury out,Its far denser than lead,But very canceragenous %%
Wullie
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Unfortunately I would have to buy fishing tackle weights, as so far this is the only source I have found. Hence the price. {:-{
They refuse to tell me their suppliers :-X . They would rather hang out for a potential sale than help people here. It is very often every man for himself. They would rather take the risk on selling nothing. People here rarely think beyond the imediate sale. Perhaps one of the reasons why there are so many family businesses and so few big chains here. Most of the big chains are overseas (non Chinese companies). >:-o
Builders don't use lead here. It would be ripped off the roof as soon as the sun goes down. :police:
I would love to place an order with you for rolls of lead :-)) But I don't think i could cover the postage. <:(
Well you,ll know what to buy the next time you come to the UK, instead of buying Duty Free booze and Fags,just buy scrap lead, {:-{
Wullie
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In a developing economy, nothing gets scrapped. Everybody here goes through everything.
There are people here making a living out of the plastic disposable bottles that can be found in bins on the street. But they are usually only in the bin for a few minutes.
I put some rubbish out one day, to find next door's maid bringing it back in a few minutes later. She then took it home.
The guys who cut sheet metal for shop signs would not give me their offcuts. But they would have sold them to me.
Where there is muck there is brass, and with many people (over 40million) still earning less than US$250 per year, you can see why.
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Yes, but I want about 20kg of it. {-)
And I also have lots of other stuff from ACTion to carry back with me. %%
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Hi Tiger,believe it or not, you mght just be cheaper buying it from me, and i could ship it out,
I,ve had a quote from Fed Ex,
90kg scrap lead,= £90,carriage costs to the Yellow River,via Fed Ex £220 = £310 you,ll save £240 per shipment,based on your quote of £8 per kg,Now if there,s a few model boat enthusiasts out there,you could split the cost,
Food for thought,
Wullie
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Is that for real?
Wow.
I may be interested in talking further.
Why did you quote for 90kg? Is that a fedex wieght threshold?
Although I may have problems explaining to Chinese customs that it is for personal and not commercial use. :-X
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lead...try the local church, or seriously a roofer, he should have some off cuts that could get rid off. I melt mine down and make new bars over a camping gas stove and some old wood made into a mold that has been soaked in water for 24 hours. Easy!
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There have previously been a lot of warnings on this site about taking extreme care when melting lead and these have included not letting it ANYWHERE near sometihng damp as the resulting steam can cause an explosion with molten lead everywehere. I think somebody even posted a picture of the injury that can be caused.
I have lead offcuts which somebody gave me ages ago. I just beat them into shape with a hammer - no need to melt them.
Colin
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Tiger, I used 90kg as an example,I recently shipped a model tank to California, it was a 1/6th and it weighed in at 85kg then there was the crate which measured 120cm x 70cm x 75cm,total weight 105 kg by air freight £220 with a 3 day delivery,
As for melting down scrap lead I have proper melting pot with lid and a propane burner,the pot can take upto 10kg of lead,and the molten lead is poured into a sand cast mould,and each ingot can weigh from between 2kg to 10kg,depending on useage
Wullie
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i was lucky enough to find about 4 kilos lying in my garage when i moved house, the older owner had just left it
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Melting and casting lead is quite easy, providing you do not get it to hot or as Colin says nowhere a damp mould. A very easy come by mould is an old brick using the indentation, but put the brick in the oven first to ensure it is completely dry.
I used to cast bullets using the gas cooker and being a plumber used to have plenty of scrap lead pipe. We always used to cut the pipe into lengths using a hammer and bolster chisel much quicker than a saw. One fine day I put a lump of pipe into the already hot melting pot and decorated the wife's kitchen ceiling with a very nice pattern of lead splashes.
Colin H.
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Hi TigerTiger,
You could try looking in your local plumbing merchants for reels of soft solder- plumbing sizes of course, not electrical- unwound they can be molded to any shape and they weigh almost the same as lead.
Greg
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I am trying to buy lead for ballast, but I am being quoted silly figures. about £8 per kg.
I am trying to find out what the market price is generally to buy lead, not the price I would get at a scrap dealer.
I have tried googling to no avail.
If anybody has bought some recently, or has a website with a price, or a recent price, please let me know.
Thanks
go to church :D im sure god won't mind you swiping his roof
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What about wheel balance weights, from a ture fitter, they seem to pull them of and bin them.
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Ref Church roof.
Few Churches in China.
Lead is not used for roofing here. It would probably get nicked.
I have tried tire bays. They recycle everything themselves. With the tire fitters earnong less than 50p/hr they don't let anything go.
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Lead is not used for roofing here. It would probably get nicked.
Some things don,t change,it gets nicked here as well,especially about a year ago when the price of scrap was sky high,due to the "Chinese" buying everything they could lay their mitts on,Did you know that China are the biggest users of Lead in the World,"think reproduction Tiffany Lamps and Stained Glass windows"
I can get you a quote for 20kg posted to the Yellow River,
Wullie
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I think I may have problems with customs on that one. The local guy is very nosey, I had some doweling shipped. I was actually asked what it was for.
The stuff goes through the local customs office in the city (about 600 miles from the sea), which is not the port of entry. I guess he gets bored.
Thanks for the offer though. :}
I will keepp looking for a Chinese supplier. I have managed to find a manufacturer, but he only does 60kg ingots. I now need to find out who his customers are.
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sad mortals cant buy lead inDenmark. Contractors need a special permit PER JOB and said permit is only given if the building is listed.
I thought that lead was banned by the EU any way.
I dont have to worry to much, I have 90kg of the stuff in my shed. Yes I will sell some but youll have to come and get it!!! :}
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Ian,
Lead is banned for use on `potable` water supplies and in certain solders used for electrical work and in some other areas but its is still in general use for many application's, roofing being just one.
Colin H.
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Twenty-six dollars for a five-pound downrigger weight over here. Good thing i had a coupon.
On the other hand, i could've bought an eight-pound barbell for sixteen dollars, but i don't have anything to cut it up with and even with the strike, i figure machine shops wouldn't consider it worth their while.
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Ian,
Lead is banned for use on `potable` water supplies and in certain solders used for electrical work and in some other areas but its is still in general use for many application's, roofing being just one.
Colin H.
Well that makes it easier for you lot then. I can only comment on what the situation is like in Denmark and lead is very much banned. I work for a pluming suplies wholesaler, and I know just how hard it is to buy, as I sell the stuff. No permit, documentation from the council or certificat of historical restoration, and you get no lead!
Even fishing tackle is lead free and it is illeagal to sell fishing weights, boat fishing pirks and the such that contain lead.
Saw a program on Discovery today, Do you know that lead is the most recycled metal.
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Blooming Heck Ian your restrictions are much tighter than ours anyone can buy lead sheet for roofing, even sold in DIY stores. Lead `in` solder such as 60/40 is still in general use and so on.
Colin H.
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Result :-)) :-)) :-))
One of my wife's customers is a gold mine. And guess what one of the byproducts is.
My wife mentioned my problem getting lead during a previous visit. When she returned to her car, after a recent visit, she found that a 30kg ingot of lead (not gold sadly) had been left for her.
They would not take any money. :} :} :}
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Result :-)) :-)) :-))
One of my wife's customers is a gold mine. And guess what one of the byproducts is.
My wife mentioned my problem getting lead during a previous visit. When she returned to her car, after a recent visit, she found that a 30kg ingot of lead (not gold sadly) had been left for her.
They would not take any money. :} :} :}
Result indeed :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
I work in the building trade as a bricklayer, and most of the time were falling over the stuff. I`ve stopped picking it up because i have that much of it in the workshop, i dont think we realise how fortnuate we are here sometimes.
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Can't you find any old and knackered car batteries? Plenty of lead in there.
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Can't you find any old and knackered car batteries? Plenty of lead in there.
Mixed in with sulphuric acid no doubt! Think Id give that idea a miss if anyone reads it!
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Can't you find any old and knackered car batteries? Plenty of lead in there.
Nice idea, but remember this is a developing country I live in. Very little is thrown away. The lead from a car battery is probably worth more than an hours wages for a 'kwick-fit' worker here (about 50p/hr). They don't lob batteries out, or wheel weights.
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Re the price of lead. I go to our local Tyre Dealer, he usually has a bucket full of discarded wheel balance weights, for 10 Euros in the Coffee Fund I can take them. They are not lead, but melt down Ok and are nearly the same. We just want weight don't we? Also if you want bar, try going to a firm that makes Iron gates, they have bar stock in useful sizes and sensible prices, Iron is approx 80% the weight of lead. Hope this helps.
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A nice cheap alternative to lead,is ..used ."tungsten beads" ftom a shot blasting company, at our club we recently got a 10lt drum full of Tungsten beads, this 10lt drum weighed in at over 40kg,...cost, a donation to the coffee fund,i.e.a couple of squids,then all we have to do is weigh it out in plastic bags, from 100g through to 1kg
Wullie
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Having in the past been involved in Military Modelling and produced White Metal parts for various Manufacturers in both Germany and UK, I have some knowlege of Hot Metal!! It is dangerous, very dangerous! My casting temperatures were between 250 and 280° C. all moulds , which were of Silicone, were warmed first, so no chance of moisture, which can cause the mould to spit back, with nasty results! I tried Plaster of Paris Moulds for keel weights but it was a very Iffy method as the mould absorbs moisture when not in use and needs to be placed in an oven to dry out. If you have pored into a wet mould and got away with it, you have been very lucky!
***Suggest you put a posting about this in the 'Traders Section'***
By the way, anyone want some 1\72 Napaleonic figures? The last Company I supplied has folded ( Owing me for the last 2 deliveries!) and I still have their moulds, crews for galleons? Joking aside, be very careful hot, metal doesn't take prisoners, a drop the size of a pea will burn right through an unprotected hand.Always wear stout leather gloves and eye protection, please. As a matter of interest I used to pay between 12 and 17 pounds Sterling a Kilo for my Casting Metal, depending on quality.
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{:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{...white metal casting,have i missed something here,what has this got to do with the price of carrots i mean lead,..... {-)
Wullie
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I think the point that Nordsee is making is that wnen people have got hold of some lead they have the idea of melting it to make the ballast weights they need. If you don't know exactly what you are doing then this can be very dangerous. Which is why the safest method is to get hold of sheet lead and literally beat it into shape with a hammer - much safer but still wear gloves or wash your hands very thoroughly. Ingested lead rots the brain as the Romans discovered.
Colin
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Ah, so thats been the problem all along then. So if I stop boiling the lead and keep on with the "nectar" I should be OK. Or not. BY.
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Lead water pipes have been blamed for the fall of the Roman Empire Bryan....
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Food for thought!..if the Romans knew that lead rotted the brain,why was it that,even up to this very day,lead is used to carry water,i.e."lead water pipes"..lead lined storage tanks,etc etc,
as for the melting of lead for weights,...well if i knew then, what i know now,i would have had the biggest collection of Matchbox a Dinky cars,that there ever was,but as it stands,most of my Dinky,s ended up in the pot,then were tied to my throw out line,and most of them eventually ended up at the bottom of the Tay estuary,...and they all met their hot end, without a glove in sight,and my brain is,nt rotted yet, {-) {-)
Wullie
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Methinks it was the Goths and the Vandals that helped bring down the Roman Empire, {:-{..the lead thing was all myth,
Wullie
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Roman empire, not quite true Colin. The reason they went a bit doo lally was because the elite, especially those at the top of the chain used to indulge themselves in a rather exotic food additive, the name of which escapes me. This was cooked in lead pots and pans and was very acidic and as such, slowly dissolved the lead into solution. Constant ingestion of this lead laden food substance slowly affected their brains and to some degree, the downfall was attributed to this.
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.... must check my pots & pans when I get home. {:-{
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cars,that there ever was,but as it stands,most of my Dinky,s ended up in the pot,then were tied to my throw out line,and most of them eventually ended up at the bottom of the Tay estuary,...and they all met their hot end, without a glove in sight,and my brain is,nt rotted yet, {-) {-)
Wullie
I am amazed somebody hasnt challenged that statement yet Wullie {-) {-) {-) {-) :-))
Regards Andy
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If you use and iron or steel its worth making sure that it is well protected
with a 100% watertight coating or you will have a rust problem if you go anywhere near
a pond. Rusty old pig iron may be ok in the bilge of a tatty old harbour tug but not
in your latest pride and joy!
Yours Aye
Ned
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My tactic for free lead is simple but effective , make friends with a builder , i have a steady supply but have to say as already posted safety is paramount when handling molten lead :-))
Andy
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Or get to know someone in the gas trade,
I know work for gas,and get it free
Mark
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Sheerline, I think it was the roman version of oyster sauce, made from rotten fish. The lead glaze on the wine jugs didn't help much either, nor the wine sweetener made from lead. Apart from that, what did........
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Methinks you are correct Tobyker, I remember this from my trip to Italy and a guide telling us about the lead problem. I certainly do remember it was a very sweet mixture.
Modern lead ain't quite what it purports to be these days, someone, somewhere told me they mix Zinc in with it now and the stuff roofers use is this type, maybe someone can confirm this.
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"I am amazed somebody hasnt challenged that statement yet Wullie"
{-) {-) {-) {-)I,ve never been one for mincing my words,...because,as we all know, everything is,nt always as black as its painted,
as for "that statement"well i,ve used to have a certificate that said i was compus mentis, ..but that was a long time ago, {-) {-)
Wullie
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I,m sure it was Antimony that the Romans used,..
Wullie
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Antimony? Wasn't he Ceasars right hand man? Or maybe that was the bloke who knocked around with Cleopatra?
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{-) {-) {-) {-)I,ve never been one for mincing my words,...because,as we all know, everything is,nt always as black as its painted,
as for "that statement"well i,ve used to have a certificate that said i was compus mentis, ..but that was a long time ago, {-) {-)
Wullie
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Compus mentis or not if you had a certificate somebody felt the need to have you checked O0 {-)
you know we wouldnt get by without you mate %% %%
Long live insanity i say ,,, reality is too depressing
Regards Andy
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Antimony? Wasn't he Ceasars right hand man? Or maybe that was the bloke who knocked around with Cleopatra?
You,re getting Antimony confused with that famous Welshman,...Richard Burton {-) {-)
Wullie
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{-) {-) {-) {-)I,ve never been one for mincing my words,...because,as we all know, everything is,nt always as black as its painted,
as for "that statement"well i,ve used to have a certificate that said i was compus mentis, ..but that was a long time ago, {-) {-)
Wullie
Compus mentis or not if you had a certificate somebody felt the need to have you checked O0 {-)
you know we wouldnt get by without you mate %% %%
Long live insanity i say ,,, reality is too depressing
Regards Andy
A man after my own Heart, %%
Wullie
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It's ma age Wullie. You've just given yours away cos you remember Richard Burton!! :}
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Who is / was Richard Burton ?
is he one of the oldies like charlie chaplin ? {:-{
Andy
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One of the best spoken welsh voices of the past century - oh and married to Liz Taylor qv.
He did the intro voice over to Zulu and the narration on Geoff Waynes, War of the Worlds.
Alas deceased.
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Broadsword calling Danny boy... Broadsword calling Danny boy... come in Danny Boy! If this rings any bells with you, thats Richard Burton.
Blimey, this has nuffin to do with the price of lead, does it... I'll get told off in minute. <*<
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Yes i knew who he was i was just teasing O0 O0
Andy
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Broadsword calling Danny boy... Broadsword calling Danny boy... come in Danny Boy! If this rings any bells with you, thats Richard Burton.
Blimey, this has nuffin to do with the price of lead, does it... I'll get told off in minute. <*<
To H***with jumpin out of a JU152 without a parachute,....as for the price of lead,well,its about the same as it was when this topic was started,..unless you live in China,..where its like hens teeth, {-)and 3 times the price, {-)
Wullie
btw
he married ET twice, and before anyone says anything,not the ET phone home guy,