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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Martin [Admin] on December 11, 2006, 09:10:12 AM

Title: Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 11, 2006, 09:10:12 AM

Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!


"Membership is a privilege , not a right."

Rules at a Glance

No off colour humour.
No attacking other members.
No trolling.
No racist, homophobic, sexist, or sectarian comments.
No potentially inflammatory political, religious or other topics.
No posting of copyrighted materials.
Any of the above are likely to be removed from the Forum and may, in appropriate cases, attract a yellow warning or red card ban.
Users who wish to sell items must be a Full Mayhemer, ie. 25 contributory post on Mayhem.
A blue typeface is restricted to the use of the Site Owner and Moderators.
The decisions of Martin (site owner) and the Moderators are final.

Rules in Full
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Membership is granted on the basis that we will be polite at all times and respect each other’s views.
The governing ethos of the Forum will be common sense and common courtesy at all times.
Discussions will be conducted in a civilised manner.
Bad language will not be tolerated, neither will “flaming” or belittling another member.
Any criticism should be expressed in a constructive manner with a view to taking the issue under discussion forward.
Otherwise don’t post!

Posts should always be appropriate to the thread. Topics are not be hijacked by irrelevant posts which contribute nothing to the subject matter.
If you want to be frivolous there are plenty of opportunities in the general “Chit Chat” section.
Posts maybe moved or delete at any time by the team of moderators.
Moderators will indicate the reason for the moderation on the post if it has been modified in   BLUE TEXT,    therefore blue text is reserved for moderation and administrators only please.

We all like a joke but remember that we have younger members and guests on the Forum so don’t post anything inappropriate, this is a family oriented forum.

Members join the forum as "Shipmates", after 25 "valid" postings you will automatically be promoted to "Full Mayhemer" which will allow you to use the Sales board.

Penalties.
Sometimes it may be necessary for Moderators to intervene for relatively minor reasons, posters taking a thread off
topic for example. This just requires a little common sense and usually a friendly warning, either on the post or by
PM will be sufficient in which case that will be the end of the matter.

For more serious infringements, or where there the member does not respond to a friendly warning , the
Moderator will issue a formal “Yellow Card” warning and take action by deleting or modifying the offending post as appropriate.
Any member incurring two “Yellow Card” warnings in a 30 day period will receive a "Red Card" ban and locked out of the forum.

For very serious infringements of the rules or unreasonable behaviour the offender will receive an immediate "Red Card" ban.

All bans will be considered permanent except that after 30 days the offender can apply to be readmitted to the Forum. There is no automatic right to this and it can only be done with the agreement of Martin (Forum owner) and the Moderator Board. Re admittance will only be granted if an undertaking is given with regard to future good behaviour. Needless to say, if a subsequent ban is made on the individual concerned then the chances of future readmission will not be high.

Occasionally there will be a tidying up of topics/threads. As this is clearly notified on open forum (***topic tidied up***) no further notification will usually be made.

Any discussions about moderating decisions should be done by PM with the moderator concerned, in the first instance. Doing so on open forum is not acceptable.

Regardless of the above, if Martin and the Moderator Board consider that the conduct of an individual is not in the best interests of the smooth and harmonious running of the Forum then a formal “Yellow Card” warning will be issued, normally by Personal Message. If no subsequent improvement takes place then a ban will be applied.

The Moderators decisions are law.
The Forum Owner's word is final.


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If you've read down this far well done, you must be a solicitor!
Enjoy the forum.

Martin & the volunteer moderator team.  :-)

Title: Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 06, 2007, 05:23:20 PM

I've been asked to remove the other thread about a few individuals become short tempered, which I'm happy to do but I've started and locked this topic so the rules are clear for all to see - don't like it? - Join another forum.



I've been receiving a number of complaints from forum members about a couple of "Flame wars" that have appeared on the forum. As you know these are not tolerated and I have had to 'Moderate' several topics and in one case delete the entire topic because of the fractious interchanges.

I've been asked to consider introducting a "Three Strikes and your out" policy, i.e.if someone's posts have to be moderated three times, a one week ban will be imposed, then is the behaviour persists, a one month ban.... and then a 3 month ban... followed by a permanent ban.

I've only had to ban 2 people so far... we all grown ups here ...... think twice, type once. Don't drink and type either!

So far this has been a real good natured forum and it worth all the time spent on it and remember it's very popular with the kids!!!

Regards and thanks to all forum members and anyone with a model boat!

Martin Forum Admin.
Title: Re: Forum Rules, respect for other and keeping the peace.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 03, 2009, 01:51:15 AM

No forum member should have to put up with any personal rants on this forum, that NOT what it's for.

I've said it time and time again, and I repeating it again now,

              I HATE  DISRESPECT IN ANY FORM.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE BERATING OF OTHER FORUM MEMBERS.


Running this forum takes hours and hours every day by myself, the moderators, a number of other unsung heroes and it would
be nothing with your contributions each and every day. To have members coming to me saying they "can't bear to see the way
the deteriorating", is a real personal defeat for me. A number of former active members no long contribute partially in fear of being
shouted down by people that know less then they do in a particular field.

WELL ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Don't like that rules leave.
Don't like the way I / the moderators run this forum leave.
Don't  think you have to show mutual respect, leave.


This is a family centric forum built on mutual respect, encouragement and sharing of mutual knowledge. If you have a contra
point of view, you don't have to shout someone else down to make your point I don't want to have to deal with petulant
behaviour from grown adults and why should ! have to? This is not a spit-&-sawdust salon in the Wild West! Most of can
disagree but have learnt not to be disagreeable. Stick to the ethos of the forum and we'll all benefit from it. As someone
said to me a while ago, "membership of this forum is a privilege, not a human right!"

   Rant over. Now who has something interesting to say about model boats.

     Martin - Admin.


Title: Re: Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 26, 2009, 11:39:29 AM


                  ADVICE ON RESOLVING PROBLEMS BETWEEN BUYERS AND SELLERS.

The following is written by a former Chief Trading Standards Officer whose staff dealt with as many as 13,000 complaints each year. It is not definitive but is intended to help those who are party to disputes and to explain why Model Boat Mayhem is reluctant to allow free rein by Members and Traders who may attempt to publish complaints or comment on the posts of others.

First of all:   Keep calm.
 It is far too easy to feel righteously aggrieved and blast off in a public arena in a way which will help nobody. It also gets backs up at the very start.

Secondly:  Tell the truth, the whole truth.
  Although apparently attractive to do so, it does not help your case if you describe only the parts of the issue which you feel support your argument. Remember the other party can do the same from their point of view. Later, when things you have not told emerge, your case appears weakened.

Thirdly:  Never threaten.
 Civilised processes cannot be conducted under threat and in any case you are most unlikely to be able to give effect to them!

Remember that your concern is all absorbing to you, uppermost in your mind and very frustrating. However, for the other parties it may be just another issue in the day and cannot, necessarily be the first priority.

Also think that technical services can fail. Phone messages may not be passed on; answer machines may not work; Emails may not get through and letters may be lost or delayed. We hope it does not happen but it can and does so when dealing with other folk just remember that may have happened and the fact that someone says it did is not always a lie!

You want to resolve the issue, don't you? So, why not say, “Did you receive my message?” rather than, “Why didn’t you reply?” Or, “Is there a problem?” rather than, “What’s the matter with your set up”. Give the other person a chance to satisfy you, encourage them.

Keep good notes. When did you order. What did you order. How did you order. Who did you speak to. When. What was said. Keep copies of everything.

When placing orders or agreeing something put a time deadline into the contract. “Goods to be delivered within 10 days unless otherwise agreed between us”. Or, “Please reply within 5 days”.

Remain reasonable in your expectations. You cannot expect personalised and superb performance all the time so ensure your wishes are clearly expressed and achievable.

If things start to go wrong put your concerns in writing and clearly state what you expect to happen and by when (again be reasonable). Keep a copy.

If things still go wrong, write by some form of recorded delivery.
If you are unable to resolve a dispute writing to “Watchdog”; going to the local newspaper or trying to involve Model Boat Mayhem is unlikely to achieve anything other than deterioration in the matter.

If you cannot resolve the issue you may need professional advice. You can use a solicitor; seek help from your local Citizens Advice Bureau or your local Trading Standards or Consumer Protection office. But they will have no legal powers to assist. If all else fails you may have to go to the County Court, they cannot do it for you but they will advise. If you do seek help take all your documents and notes with you.

However, before going that far you need to reflect if the price of the goods makes it worthwhile.

Please, never proceed on “the principle”. Principles are seldom achieved in law!

Yes, it sounds complicated and long drawn out. However, that is how it is. Skip any or some of these points and you may not succeed.

One final thing: On a more cheerful note. When things go well let us tell each other. We may have problems now and then but more often than not we are satisfied so say so. A little praise goes a long way.

(Especially written by Roger in France, a Mayhem Moderator to assist Mayhem Members and explain why Mayhem believes its Forum cannot be used to resolve complaints, fairly.)

Model Boat Mayhem - Moderation team.
Title: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 01, 2010, 10:55:25 AM
how does someone like me get to 25 post, I'am a member with very little to say, I'am trying to learn about model boats only been interested since last november,feel I could not give good information.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Wasyl on November 01, 2010, 11:02:31 AM
there,s bound to be some topics on here whereby you might be able to contribute to,...i.e.do some research for nameing "that Ship" or that Part,....have a guess,..tell us what boats you like,what boats you,d like to have, ..the list is endless,....

Wullie
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 01, 2010, 11:11:44 AM
Why do you particularly want to get to 25 posts Harinell, there is no obligation to post until you feel you have something you particularly want to say? In the meantime just read and enjoy.

Colin
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Circlip on November 01, 2010, 11:18:22 AM
Quality Harinell not Quantity :-))

  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Wasyl on November 01, 2010, 12:12:39 PM
Perhaps he,wants to sell an item,hence the 25 post mark,?

Wullie
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 01, 2010, 01:15:47 PM
Possibly, but this is a Model Boat Forum not an Ebay substitute bazaar. Members who have contributed to the Forum can advertise as a concession. Otherwise anyone could just register and use Mayhem as a free sales site. That is why we have the sales rules.

Colin
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Bunkerbarge on November 01, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
If you have nothing to contribute then find an alternative method of selling your items.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Wasyl on November 01, 2010, 02:34:35 PM
Possibly, but this is a Model Boat Forum not an Ebay substitute bazaar. Members who have contributed to the Forum can advertise as a concession. Otherwise anyone could just register and use Mayhem as a free sales site. That is why we have the sales rules.

Colin
??????keep your shirt on Colin,i was only ..perhapsing,

Wullie
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on November 01, 2010, 02:41:39 PM
Possibly, but this is a Model Boat Forum not an Ebay substitute bazaar. Members who have contributed to the Forum can advertise as a concession. Otherwise anyone could just register and use Mayhem as a free sales site. That is why we have the sales rules.

Colin

Hear hear there have been to many in the past who just want to use the site as there shop and who do not contribute to the site.

Peter
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 01, 2010, 03:17:29 PM
Yes I want to sell boating items, but I also want to learn from this site, at this moment I'am  scratch building a windermere launch to my own design, for planking I'am useing mahogany coloured lathe blinds cut to size on a proteck table saw which is excellent for this job, has any other member used this material?.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Wasyl on November 01, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
At least you are being upfront,...but why do I get the feeling,a pile of bricks is coming your way, {:-{

Wullie
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Boy From the Bay on November 01, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
Yes I want to sell boating items, but I also want to learn from this site, at this moment I'am  scratch building a windermere launch to my own design, for planking I'am useing mahogany coloured lathe blinds cut to size on a proteck table saw which is excellent for this job, has any other member used this material?.

Then start a build log. Show us how you are getting on.
You can also ask questions when you need to. Lot of people can help out.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 01, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
thank you Boy from the Bay for your suggestion, will take some photos and gather information together from when I started this project.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin H on November 01, 2010, 05:09:34 PM


I think what a lot of the older members do not realise is that to a beginner this site can be some what intimerdating. Not that the members here would want that at all.

As a for instance a personal friend of mine joined a few weeks ago and his comment to me went something to the effect of.......

There was obviously so much knowledge held by the people here he did not want to appear silly by asking basic questions.

I tried to put him right. That most members are only to happy to help and quoted myself as an instance. I have learnt an awful lot from the people here but when I see some of the craftmanship I still feel well down the list.

Hope I have manage to put that thought over as I mean it to be.

Colin H.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 01, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
Nobody minds people asking basic questions but it helps if newbies have a good look around the site first and use the search facility to try and answer queries. It's possible that their basic questions will be answered that way. There is a huge amount of information on Mayhem, it's there for the taking and it's all free!

Colin
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Circlip on November 01, 2010, 05:48:31 PM
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Then start a build log. Show us how you are getting on.

 This is not obligatory Harinell, gives the impression that if you don't do a log, then your questions or advise is invalid.Some of us don't need the sycophantic praise others seem to crave.

  By all means try the search function to find answers and when you've tried it, report to others on how to use it cos strangely enough, many repeat questions appear, so the advise only applies to some, and yes, some postings do seem intimidatory %)

  Regards Ian.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Bunkerbarge on November 01, 2010, 06:35:48 PM
I don't really think there is any problem with any form of exchange of information on here.  I hope that we manage to help anyone who needs it in any way we can and steam is certainly a mine field that people sometimes need guiding through.  The suggestion above for a build log was only an example of how to give something to the forum, there are plenty of other ways if that isn't to your liking.

My only concern is members who think they can sign up simply to sell their model boat items cheaply and seem to think they have the right to do that.  We are primarliy a forum for the exchange of ideas on all things model boat related with the intention of helping those who need it.  As a by product we let members sell thier stuff as well but we are not here as a cheap alternative to eBay.  Consequently we ask that members post at least 25 contributory posts.  25 one liners will simply be removed if we feel it is simply a way of getting around the requirement.

I think it is very fair and reasonable to ask members to contribute before using the sales board.  If anyone feels they have nothing to contribute then feel free to use what ever  alternative means of selling your models you can find.  None of them give you something for nothing so why should it be expected here?

Maybe a fairer option would be to allow anyone to sell anything they want whenever they want, and charge for it O0
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: gondolier88 on November 01, 2010, 07:20:14 PM
Being a fellow Yorkist (even if I do now live in the land of the red rose), I take offence at that suggestion BB- never charge for something when you can get it free <*< (albeit at the 'cost' of 25 contributions to this wonderful site).

I suggest Harinell that you post a build blog- not [only] for praise for your skills, but it allows others to admire and be inspired by them. We all like to learn a thing or two on here, and your project- a POF Windermere launch is a rare thing- many just use a GRP hull and work from there.

Perhaps you would get the ball rolling here and let us know a little about yourself? Perhaps occupation, other interests etc. that allow us to understand your skills and why you particularly enjoy model boating- what you bring to the table in effect, and what you are looking to take from it.

Not only that but I am very interested in your project on a personal level being involved in the steamboat museum project.

Greg
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: nemesis on November 01, 2010, 08:20:14 PM
Hello, Window blinds could be made from "Ramin", another type of blind that I use is is made from "Bamboo"
which is an excellent material, lovely colour for decks and being a grass, has no grain as such,  Nemesis
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Lord Bungle on November 01, 2010, 08:39:07 PM
Hello, its surprising how soon you will hit 25 posts if you read through the threads I did this and found things to comment on, Asking questions is how we learn, but don't be shocked if you don't get a reply for a few days, But I have conversed with some members on here that have been very helpful with a guiding arm as it were. Your project sounds very interesting, I have always like the idea of building a fully planked boat but knowing how I am with glue I think I had better leave it to those with a higher skill level than me, or risk having to spend my days with a load of planks glued to me  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 01, 2010, 11:25:49 PM
Greg
I think I have mislead members my project is a fibreglass hull, the rest decks cabin seats all built up using planking, will show pictures and information  tomorrow.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Peter Fitness on November 02, 2010, 03:15:39 AM
This is not obligatory Harinell, gives the impression that if you don't do a log, then your questions or advice is invalid. Some of us don't need the sycophantic praise others seem to crave.

Circlip, I don't believe that is the impression given at all, it was merely a suggestion; and to say that members who do post build logs are seeking sycophantic praise is, to me at least, rather offensive. Most, if not all, of the build logs on Mayhem are for the benefit of other members. They are there so others may learn from them, or even offer constructive criticism if necessary. I have gained much valuable information from some of the logs, and I feel sure that others have, too.

Peter.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 02, 2010, 07:27:06 AM
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 Some of us don't need the sycophantic praise others seem to crave.
Actually, Mayhem started with boat build logs (bblogs!) - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/01%20piranha.htm (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/01%20piranha.htm)

The way to see the blogs Ian is to view them as paintings or cooking programs.... we share them for them to be enjoyed.

Re: 25 Posts. as Colin says "Model Boat Forum not an Ebay substitute bazaar. Members who have contributed to the Forum can advertise as a concession. Otherwise anyone could just register and use Mayhem as a free sales site. That is why we have the sales rules."
We had too many 'carpet baggers' use Mayhem to their own ends, taking without wishing to contribute to the Forum/community first.... that's what Ebay is for.

Martin

NB.  Topic name changed.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Perkasaman2 on November 02, 2010, 10:27:52 AM
To be fair to harinhell, his first post clearly implies that he had already made himself aware of the rule/sticky.
In my view, he needed support and encouragement.
The virtue of Mayhem is a non-judgmental or patronising response to new starters from experienced modellers who are willing to 'direct' a newbie in the Mayhem maize. Many newbies initially want a 'quick fix' and increase their participation as they gain a foothold/confidence. On reflection, I chose Mayhem on this basis and consequently avoided others.
The search facility is neither a quick or effective feature for beginner's quick answers. I've been a member for well over a year and I still find it a pain........ and I now know my way around the site.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Circlip on November 02, 2010, 10:51:15 AM
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Some of us don't need the sycophantic praise others seem to crave.

  Lost a bit in translation Peter. Don't understand why you are taking offence? Seen too many sites where the same old same old is "Trolled" over many fori for the item to be lost in a dozen "Oh what a good job Englebert" one liners.

 Sorry, if you can feel paranoid, how is Harinell supposed to take
Quote
Then start a build log. Show us how you are getting on.
?

 That's a statement,
Quote
not
a suggestion. Two can play the inference game  :-))

 Harinells original post in sales was stopped very early but again, the snowballs are flying thick and fast.

  Regards Ian.

   
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 02, 2010, 11:33:11 AM
Good Morning all, I'am sorry to have caused so much controversy, I'am 72 years old started into model boats 12 months ago, buying models that I thought that I liked and then deciding I would like something different, I'am building a Windermere launch at the moment and when I can upload photos I will do so.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 02, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Hi Harinell

  "sorry to have caused so much controversy",   think nothing of it... that's half the reason the site is called Model Boat Mayhem!  %%

The other good this this site is useful for is, a distraction when;

1. The glue is drying.
2. The lake is frozen over.
3. The good lady says, 'stop playing with your boats and do something useful!'
     ( come on-line to Mayhem but have a something important looking in another browser that you can quickly switch too! )
4. You've done something stupid on your latest build and you want to vent your frustration seek advice!
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Lord Bungle on November 02, 2010, 12:17:20 PM


 3. The good lady says, 'stop playing with your boats and do something useful!'
Mine now says 'you have a shed with a radio in, and heating, now go play with your boat and let me watch x factor, strictly come dancing in peace'  {-)


I find its usefull to sit next to her and test radio and servos when these 'programs' are on, this tip may help others with increasing their boat time  :}
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin H on November 02, 2010, 05:08:46 PM


For crying out loud DON'T KNOCK THE BUILD BLOGS.

They are a wonderful source of information after all "A picture is worth a thousand words"

I am building a Fairey Swordsman my first true scratch build apart from a couple of Springers. I spend more time looking at the build blog than with knife in hand.

To those members who take the time to write these blogs and take and post pictures I have only one word.


THANKYOU.


Colin H.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: harinell on November 02, 2010, 06:35:05 PM
Sorry, unable to load pictures always too big a file whatever I do, searching for information on how to.
thanking you in anticipation. Tom
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: BarryM on November 02, 2010, 06:59:29 PM
Nobody minds people asking basic questions but it helps if newbies have a good look around the site first and use the search facility to try and answer queries. It's possible that their basic questions will be answered that way. There is a huge amount of information on Mayhem, it's there for the taking and it's all free!

Colin
Very well said Colin. Nobody minds helping out the newbie - or the experienced - when a problem is met. We all need a bit of help sometime and nobody objects to giving s hand up when it's deserved but what raises my blood pressure is the type that asks for help without having made an effort to help themselves first. This Forum is a mine of information but too often it ends up reinventing the wheel because somebody is too idle to use the 'Search' box. 
Barry M 
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Circlip on November 02, 2010, 07:13:39 PM
Just pulled back a thread on how to seal and cover a Balsa hull with Dope and Tissue Barry, tried the search facility, useless, had to rely on Fred (my last remaining brain cell) for memory and as someone nearer to all zimmers than many, it's hard at times to try to remember which section or the author. The search facility is not Google and that's not a critiscism. Where it was originally posted and the last section it was posted in are nowhere near each other and I had to cut and paste the EXACT wording to locate the original artical.

  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 02, 2010, 07:35:49 PM
Yes, the search facility can sometimse seem to be a bit erratic. It's usually best to search from the Forum main page rather than the sub boards and you may have to experiment a bit with your keywords to get the best results.

Colin
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Peter Fitness on November 02, 2010, 09:09:16 PM
Sorry, unable to load pictures always too big a file whatever I do, searching for information on how to.
thanking you in anticipation. Tom

Tom, have a look here http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23.0) Also, see reply number 26 in that topic to read about a free image resizer by VSO. It's excellent, I use it all the time.

I hope this helps,

Peter.
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Klunk on November 02, 2010, 09:42:53 PM
my version of what mayhem is about........I started model boating about 5 years ago, I knew nothing (and still consider myself a novice) about boats. I had done r/c planes and helis, plastics and trains, so decided boats would be a change. I joined Luton Model Boat Club, and joined this site in Feb 2009. Since then, I have met and made lots of new friends. There is always a wealth of knowledge on here, and most people are more than willing to go that extra mile to help a mere novice, Martin has done a brilliant job on this site and he is one of the nicest person you could meet (apart from his taste in shirts!).  From online to Mayhem weekend through to Warwick and Alley Palley plus all the other shows held up and down the country, you will always find a congregation of Mayhemmers, normally standing around drinking tea and eating cake, taking the micky and dishing out pearls of wisdom and knowledge. There are various posts about fabled twenty pounds notes, favourite cakes, who ate all the pies and other items of novelty interest! a
All  I will say is that this is a great site, and I recommend all members old and new, to make yourself known at the shows, come and meet the other members, and have fun.........To all Mayhemmers, without YOU  there is no site. Have fun and model, life is 6too short not too!


klunk
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 02, 2010, 10:11:38 PM
I have been model boating all my life (well not yet anyway) but thanks to mayhem I have gained soooooo many more new friends in the past 5 years, than all the years doing straight running (well we are weird lot anyway, who would befriend us  %)) and all I can say is long may it continue, cos after all what else would we do.
Stand up in class and say "I'm proud to be a Mayhemer"............ok I'm ready to be put back in my padded cell------as long as it has a workbench.

Time to iron out the £20 note for Warwick.............only for show mind you  {-) {-)
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Shipmate60 on November 02, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
Now, now, Phil, did we leave that nice safe cell door open again or did you bribe your way out with your £20 note.
Nah you would never part with THAT!!!

Bob
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: BarryM on November 02, 2010, 10:30:54 PM
............ Martin has done a brilliant job on this site and he is one of the nicest person you could meet (apart from his taste in shirts!). .............

klunk

I have to admit that I actually like Martin's shirts. They remind me of the ones I used to buy in Singapore in the 60/70s but any attempt to buy them now (let alone wear one) brings threats of divorce. Some people have no taste.  <:(

Barry M
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: dreadnought72 on November 03, 2010, 09:22:16 AM
Don't forget that you can use Google on this site.

Just enter the right search terms. For example:

"model boat mayhem balsa tissue -fibreglass"

(The minus sign says "don't search for this item"). The above search brings up a wealth of topics - and under the first one, there's a handy link to "More results from modelboatmayhem.co.uk »" which help with focussing your request.

 :-))

Andy
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 03, 2010, 01:56:21 PM

Yes the forum Search is not as good as Google (strangely enough!) and I have personal 'challenge matches' with it many
times each week, however the 'Advanced search' can be very useful eg. "Search in topic subjects only"


Re: Photos on the forum, also look at:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23.msg2630#msg2630
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2277.msg108900#msg108900
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: tt1 on November 03, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
As a reasonable newbie to using this forum ( Although registered some time ago) It took me quite a while to find my way around it, I'm not good with computer thingies, I have used the  search facility many times, but often been fruitless in my searches - it maybe the way I go about it - don't know.
         The main point I would like to make is many members enjoy giving information and sharing their experiences, especially when responding to newbies like myself, some even check the profile to see what age group they're dealing with - that can help!
          I've virtually learned all I know about modelling via this forum and from many pm's of kind souls, and have gained confidence due to the many comments I've seen posted such as : "ask questions" -- "no such thing as a dumb question" -- "we like questions"  etc. etc. and fortunately no one has ever yet, however politely, politically correctly, or inferred that I should spend hours wading through endless data however well stored, in the hope there may just be an answer to a problem or question I have.
         Yes I can use google, the library etc. ------ but sometimes it's nice to communicate with others also ----- THAT'S what I think forums are about, just my opinion - we're all entitled.

                                     Regards, Tony.
 
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 03, 2010, 04:34:18 PM

  Perhaps we should have a sticky showing us how to use the search facility??

  Regards  Ian.

Good idea Circlip. Huge kudos to anyone that posts up a definitive guide.  :-)


Update: Using the Mayhem Search function:- http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/seach_forum.htm (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/seach_forum.htm)
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 03, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
Posting picture, have a read through this...

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23.msg2630#msg2630
Title: Re: What Mayhem is all about!
Post by: Boy From the Bay on November 05, 2010, 11:51:55 AM
As The Bishop and others have suggested the Search function can be improved but there are some who ask for help where the nature of the request makes it apparent that they have made absolutely no effort to help themselves either on or off the site. If they can't be bothered why should we?  >:-o

Barry M

Yeh, really friendly and welcoming Barry.
Nice one.

Some of the beginners on here are older than you think and not computer savvy.
I needed a lot of help just signing up to the internet when I started.
No a case of I couldn't be bothered. I didn't even speak the lingo.
Title: What Mayhem is all about.
Post by: U-33 on May 03, 2012, 12:01:55 PM
Couple of weeks back I placed a post in the 'Wanted' section for a scan of a certain magazine and the plan which came with it.

Within 12 hours I'd had two replies, one forum member offering me not a scan but the actual magazine complete with the plan inside, and another forum member offering me a ready built hull/deck, complete with a motor, rudder servo, propellor and shaft, rudder and front dive planes all fitted. (which has just arrived safely and is a superb boat)

I was asked to contribute postage costs for the magazine, which I gladly did. Even though I tried several times offering some form of payment or postal charge reimbursement to the kind gentleman who sent me the ready built boat, he refused. but eventually settled for a "couple of quid in an RNLI box next time I'm passing". Rest assured sir, I shall be contributing somewhat more than a couple of quid in the RNLI box...


I'll mention no names, both members will know who they are...but I would just like to say a huge open forum "Thank You" to both gentlemen for their kindness...for once I am speechless.

Thanks guys...thank you ever so much. And thanks to Martin and Mayhem for allowing all this to all of us for nothing...


Thank you all.



Rich


Title: Re: Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 03, 2012, 12:41:17 PM

Isn't it nice to have your faith in human nature reassured ever now and then.   :-))
Title: Re: Welcome to the Model Boat Mayhem Forum!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 19, 2015, 04:10:59 PM

Just to reiterate chaps!



                  ADVICE ON RESOLVING PROBLEMS BETWEEN BUYERS AND SELLERS.

The following is written by a former Chief Trading Standards Officer whose staff dealt with as many as 13,000 complaints each year. It is not definitive but is intended to help those who are party to disputes and to explain why Model Boat Mayhem is reluctant to allow free rein by Members and Traders who may attempt to publish complaints or comment on the posts of others.

First of all:   Keep calm.
 It is far too easy to feel righteously aggrieved and blast off in a public arena in a way which will help nobody. It also gets backs up at the very start.

Secondly:  Tell the truth, the whole truth.
  Although apparently attractive to do so, it does not help your case if you describe only the parts of the issue which you feel support your argument. Remember the other party can do the same from their point of view. Later, when things you have not told emerge, your case appears weakened.

Thirdly:  Never threaten.
 Civilised processes cannot be conducted under threat and in any case you are most unlikely to be able to give effect to them!

Remember that your concern is all absorbing to you, uppermost in your mind and very frustrating. However, for the other parties it may be just another issue in the day and cannot, necessarily be the first priority.

Also think that technical services can fail. Phone messages may not be passed on; answer machines may not work; Emails may not get through and letters may be lost or delayed. We hope it does not happen but it can and does so when dealing with other folk just remember that may have happened and the fact that someone says it did is not always a lie!

You want to resolve the issue, don't you? So, why not say, “Did you receive my message?” rather than, “Why didn’t you reply?” Or, “Is there a problem?” rather than, “What’s the matter with your set up”. Give the other person a chance to satisfy you, encourage them.

Keep good notes. When did you order. What did you order. How did you order. Who did you speak to. When. What was said. Keep copies of everything.

When placing orders or agreeing something put a time deadline into the contract. “Goods to be delivered within 10 days unless otherwise agreed between us”. Or, “Please reply within 5 days”.

Remain reasonable in your expectations. You cannot expect personalised and superb performance all the time so ensure your wishes are clearly expressed and achievable.

If things start to go wrong put your concerns in writing and clearly state what you expect to happen and by when (again be reasonable). Keep a copy.

If things still go wrong, write by some form of recorded delivery.
If you are unable to resolve a dispute writing to “Watchdog”; going to the local newspaper or trying to involve Model Boat Mayhem is unlikely to achieve anything other than deterioration in the matter.

If you cannot resolve the issue you may need professional advice. You can use a solicitor; seek help from your local Citizens Advice Bureau or your local Trading Standards or Consumer Protection office. But they will have no legal powers to assist. If all else fails you may have to go to the County Court, they cannot do it for you but they will advise. If you do seek help take all your documents and notes with you.

However, before going that far you need to reflect if the price of the goods makes it worthwhile.

Please, never proceed on “the principle”. Principles are seldom achieved in law!

Yes, it sounds complicated and long drawn out. However, that is how it is.
   Skip any or some of these points and you may not succeed.


One final thing: On a more cheerful note. When things go well let us tell each other. We may have problems now and then but more often than not we are satisfied so say so. A little praise goes a long way.

( Composed by the great 'Roger in France'. )

Model Boat Mayhem - Moderation team.