Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Submarines => Topic started by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 03:40:33 pm
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I'm looking at something rather yellow on ebay, what does everyone think of it? Could use it in the swimming pool I go kayaking in.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280467633176&fromMakeTrack=true
Is it static diving? I'm not after a dynamic diving sub... It wouldn't be yellow for long by the way.
Andy 8)
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Yep it's a static diver. These were sold by Eden Models, later taken over by Sheerline, but I don't think Chris produces this model anymore.
Looks like someone has been doing their own thing with the conning tower added on.
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Well it looks like I'll be bidding then. Rough guess how much do you reckon it's worth?
Just got a reply from the seller, the reserve is £150 and he won't post it. Ouch.
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Manchester is a bit too far for me if he's not going to post it, seeing as I'm in Stevenage. I won't bother with it.
I'll post a thread on mayhem wants thread in a bit.
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Well it looks like I'll be bidding then. Rough guess how much do you reckon it's worth?
Just got a reply from the seller, the reserve is £150 and he won't post it. Ouch.
Worth that for the Unit, suggest twisting his arm about posting!
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The person he's selling it for says he hasn't got a box big enough to post it in....
I think I shall, I've offered to pay postage, so I'll have to offer to pay cardboard too %)
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sent you a pm. bill
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Hi Chaps. This is the dsrv, originally designed and produced by Eden models and later produced by me to the original spec. The model in the pic was in fact a kit produced by myself..... Note the yellow anchor on the dive unit ballast tank.
The model worked well, it has an Akula dive unit on board.runs off two 6Volt batteries wired in series (12V) and mounted under the dive unit. The sub when built worked very well indeed and the basic design could be visually enhanced by the builder by the addition of railings, turret, hatches etc to his own design. This is something the builder of this boat has set about doing.
It did not sell in huge numbers, there are quite a few around though and there was a load of room on board if one wanted to fit a camera.
It's rather a benign thing, looks quite cuddly and can be seen well below the surface due to the bright yellow colouring.
If anyone buys it and it needs any parts, I can still make em.
I pulled the plug on it quite a while back as I wanted to make some mods to the design but simply haven't had the time. One day O0
Chris
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Managed to talk the owner into posting it today, as the seller has aquired a box large enough, so I'll be bidding to win.
No doubt I'll have lots of questions for you Chris, but till then here's a pic of what (roughly) I want to do with it:
(http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/dsrv-mir.jpg)
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What are you doing now Andy???? {:-{ {:-{
Why don't you spend your money and time getting one of the boats you all ready have on the lake. {:-{
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Don't worry, the Cobra is firmly at the top of the list for getting finished. In the coming months I'm going to be selling an awful lot of stuff, 5 35meg recievers have gone, I've got 5 planes and an aero engine on ebay now, I'm also sorting out hulls and cars. I'm going to focus on a couple of models rather than owning tons of them. Plus I've always wanted a sub.
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Are you going to bring it along to the Summer Dive-in at St Albans in June?
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21159.0
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Sure am :-))
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Fancy building a boat to sink it {-) {-) {-)
(will it go straight !!!!)
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Good man. Don't forget it's just £5 if paying in advance but £10 if paying on the day.
Spread the word amongst fellow submariners at your local club please. The more that attend the lower the cost. It's a great venue for subs.
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Fancy building a boat to sink it {-) {-) {-)
(will it go straight !!!!)
Don't knock it until you've tried it. Subs are far more like model aircraft than model ships, but have a less depressing knack of re-kitting themselves.
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I wanted to come last year but it coincided with our clubs regatta.
I've wanted a sub for as long as I've known about them. I've got two lovely pools close to where I live whose managers of which are very friendly and wouldn't at all object to me running one in their pool.
We've currently only got two subs in our club, a Robbe Seawolf and a Gato, don't know who makes it but I'd give a rough guess of 50" long (definately not a Revell one though).
What I'd like is a big K-19 or Typhoon, but that's for later in life ;)
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Ramesh (Mankster) should have his big Engel Typhoon there this year.
Gato may be an Engel or a Scale Shipyard hull, or even scratchbuilt.
The pools that you speak of, are they indoor or outdoor?
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Sounds good.
No idea what the Gato is, isn't scratchbuilt, I'll dig out a pic 'from the archives'.
Both indoor, in Stevenage and Letchworth. Haven't been to stevenage in ages but go to Letchworth every other week for kayaking.
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Are they cheap? Been on the lookout for an indoor venue that's cheap (or free) for quite while, maybe for an evening winter run.
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I don't think they are to be honest, our kayak club lost £1000 last year :o I'll have a look.
Timetable seems pretty full, but I attach the relevant contact sites:
http://www.stevenage-leisure.co.uk/CentrenbspLocator/NorthHertsLeisureCentre/SwimmingPoolampFacilities/tabid/347/Default.aspx
http://www.stevenage-leisure.co.uk/Portals/8/Skins/stevenageleisure/EditorFiles/nhlc_timetable.pdf
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(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/regatta%2009/DSC00632.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/regatta%2009/DSC00633.jpg)
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That's not a Gato class, it's a Type VII u-boat!
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They look similar to me when im trying to remember what it looks like, he only brings it out once a year %) %) %)
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Ramesh (Mankster) should have his big Engel Typhoon there this year.
Gato may be an Engel or a Scale Shipyard hull, or even scratchbuilt.
The pools that you speak of, are they indoor or outdoor?
Yep, TK-20 will be there!
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Chris, you have a pm sir.
Rich
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Well I just won it, should be coming Monday :-))
The U-boat was apparently made by Supermodels.
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Jolly good. Welcome to the dark side!
Perhaps you might want to look at 'Perry' boats for inspiration for your boat- it looks like it has lots of potential. I can post some reference pictures up if you like.
I remember the Supermodels Type VII.
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I do like the Perry boats, 6705Russel (on here) had a TT Neptune on ebay that was dressed as one.
I like the look of that Russian MIR DSRV, almost the right dimensions and has a nice paint scheme. Going to attach a couple of waterproof torches to those rails down the side - want to do some underwater filming but our lake isn't quite as clear as your pool...
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I have some drawings of the Mir submersible tucked away. It's a somewhat different shape to the DSRV- teardrop as opposed to cylindrical.
The converted Neptune was buot by Colin Stevens, using some reference material fro me. What Colin did was somewhere between the Perry submersibles and the Delta Oceanographics submersibles. Looked great didn't it.
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(http://s4.postimage.org/zdFDA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVzdFDA)
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That's a lot more teardrop shaped than I imagined, but thanks nevertheless. It'll be a bit of an imagination job by the looks of it....
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One of the good things about modelling something like this, is you can use a lot of interpretation. So you can mix and match different designs.
Your boat is a cylinder, so it would be better to look at the submersibles that are designed for diving to shallower depths. Here are a couple more images for inspiration. I have a lot of pictures of different submersibles on file.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/0835328.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/4089.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/page-152.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/page-180.jpg)
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That red and white thing looks fantastic, I think we have a winner ;)
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Ah ha. That's a Russian minisub.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/Bester1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/Bester.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic2.jpg)
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Is it an AS-28?
Got a story behind it too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS-28
(http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/Images10July22-2005/SubRescue/AS-28Min-SubOnSurface.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Mini-submarine_AS-28_Priz_after_surfacing_in_the_Bering_Sea.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/AS-28_Priz.png)
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That's it. The Priz class, the Russians answer to the DSRV.
I believe there are some differences between the few boats in that class.
A favourite site of mine for looking up submersible information is this one-
http://psubs.org/
This site is for people who build their own personal submarines. Most of them are quite small (under 15 feet) one or two man subs. There are all sorts of oddities there. Not the easiest site to navigate around IMO, but dig around a little and you'll find plenty to get your teeth into.
Andy
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Well it's arrived, a couple of things broken in transit but nothing serious. Just off to the shed to sort it out.
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We all live in a (no longer) yellow submarine, a (no longer) yellow submarine, a (no longer) yellow submarine... Come on everyone, join in...
Strawberry milkshake looking white bits are how the white primer has turned out on the yellow, and the rather decidedly grey bits are Halfords 'Citroen Arctic White'. Monday it will recieve it's red stripes (Halfords 'Fiat Red Orange'), then hopefully Thursday afternoon it will get it's maiden voyage.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3834.jpg?t=1269020965)
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It's all ready to go :-))
Had a lot of paint seepage under the masking tape, but without panic I waited for it to dry a bit then scraped off the worst of the red with a scalpel. I then mixed up some Tamiya paint to match the hull and airbrushed over it.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3836.jpg)
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Well you won't lose sight of that in a swimming pool.
Reminds me that I need a trip to the barbers to have my ears lowered!
Are you going to make a sail/conning tower for it?
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I hope to do so yes, after I've done some basic trials down the lake. It came with a lot of unpainted ally parts (a couple of which you can see in the pic) to put on too.
It doubles up nicely as a lighthouse...
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Why does that remind me of a bomb?????????
Brian
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Hi Andyn.
Seen to remember an article in an old marine modeller mag about Eden model subs and I think the submersible
was called "Marvyn" at that time.
cheers Frank..
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Well mine is called Melvin now ;)
I have no idea Brian...
By the way, if you're building me a helilandingpadspring the deck will need to be at least 13" wide, just made some floats for the honeybee :-))
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If you paint any metal parts use an etching primer first. This will stop the paint chipping off.
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I'm going to leave these unpainted, I think they contrast with the hull well. Thanks for the tip though.
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They will oxidise so I'd recommend you either anodise them or give them a few coats of lacquer.
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Hi Andyn.
you could go here and have a look at delta submersible http://www.modelluboot.de/
cheerss Frank
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Well then, Operation Melvin The Stripy Soggy Submarine is progressing. After many failed attempts and an awful lot of language too strong for here I got the seal to go down properly(ish, it's got a tear in it), I've packed all the bellows and round the rear seal with silicon grease, and it's been for a bath run.
It doesn't leak anymore, and feeling adventurous I tried a couple of dives. All works well, even if it does come up bottom first...
A story is nothing without pictures, so here goes :-))
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3837.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3838.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3839.jpg)
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Replace any dodgy seals, sods law says it's the one that will let you down.
Have a word with Chris, he'll sort you out.
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Chris, if you're around, I need a new seal ;)
It's got a tear on the inside about a 1/8" across. Still, best to replace it.
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Andy, I just got back on here, been up to the eyeballs with work and house alterations so apologies for the lateness in responding.
Don't risk your boat for the sake of a tenner, thats the price of a new set of (four) new seals.
If you need any seals or bits, give me a call :01493 754007
The boat's looking good mate, it makes a change from the basic yellow although it was really easy to see underwater.
Good luck with it, it's a very relaxing and enjoyable sub to operate.
Chris
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Cheers mate, I'll give you a call mid may when I've got some funds up. Going to get a failsafe for the dive servo too.