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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Submarines => Topic started by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 03:40:33 pm

Title: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 03:40:33 pm
I'm looking at something rather yellow on ebay, what does everyone think of it? Could use it in the swimming pool I go kayaking in.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280467633176&fromMakeTrack=true

Is it static diving? I'm not after a dynamic diving sub... It wouldn't be yellow for long by the way.

Andy 8)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 22, 2010, 04:00:23 pm
Yep it's a static diver. These were sold by Eden Models, later taken over by Sheerline, but I don't think Chris produces this model anymore.

Looks like someone has been doing their own thing with the conning tower added on.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 04:15:57 pm
Well it looks like I'll be bidding then. Rough guess how much do you reckon it's worth?

Just got a reply from the seller, the reserve is £150 and he won't post it. Ouch.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 05:09:46 pm
Manchester is a bit too far for me if he's not going to post it, seeing as I'm in Stevenage. I won't bother with it.

I'll post a thread on mayhem wants thread in a bit.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Turbulent on February 22, 2010, 05:47:30 pm
Well it looks like I'll be bidding then. Rough guess how much do you reckon it's worth?

Just got a reply from the seller, the reserve is 150 and he won't post it. Ouch.

Worth that for the Unit, suggest twisting his arm about posting!
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 22, 2010, 06:55:50 pm
The person he's selling it for says he hasn't got a box big enough to post it in....

I think I shall, I've offered to pay postage, so I'll have to offer to pay cardboard too %)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: gyronuts on February 22, 2010, 08:27:57 pm
sent you a pm. bill
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: sheerline on February 22, 2010, 08:37:17 pm
Hi Chaps. This is the dsrv, originally designed and produced by Eden models and later produced by me to the original spec. The model in the pic was in fact a kit produced by myself..... Note the yellow anchor on the dive unit ballast tank.
The model worked well, it has an Akula dive unit on board.runs off two 6Volt batteries wired in series (12V) and mounted under the dive unit. The sub when built worked very well indeed and the basic design could be visually enhanced by the builder by the addition of railings, turret, hatches etc to his own design. This is something the builder of this boat has set about doing.
It did not sell in huge numbers, there are quite a few around though and there was a load of room on board if one wanted to fit a camera.
It's rather a benign thing, looks quite cuddly and can be seen well below the surface due to the bright yellow colouring.
If anyone buys it and it needs any parts, I can still make em.
I pulled the plug on it quite a while back as I wanted to make some mods to the design but simply haven't had the time. One day O0
Chris
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 07:03:31 pm
Managed to talk the owner into posting it today, as the seller has aquired a box large enough, so I'll be bidding to win.

No doubt I'll have lots of questions for you Chris, but till then here's a pic of what (roughly) I want to do with it:

(http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/dsrv-mir.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Bill D203 on February 24, 2010, 07:13:58 pm
What are you doing now Andy???? {:-{ {:-{
Why don't you spend your money and time getting one of the boats you all ready have on the lake.  {:-{
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 07:24:55 pm
Don't worry, the Cobra is firmly at the top of the list for getting finished. In the coming months I'm going to be selling an awful lot of stuff, 5 35meg recievers have gone, I've got 5 planes and an aero engine on ebay now, I'm also sorting out hulls and cars. I'm going to focus on a couple of models rather than owning tons of them. Plus I've always wanted a sub.

Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 08:11:38 pm
Are you going to bring it along to the Summer Dive-in at St Albans in June?

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21159.0
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 08:15:57 pm
Sure am :-))
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 24, 2010, 08:34:21 pm
Fancy building a boat to sink it  {-) {-) {-)

(will it go straight !!!!)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 08:35:53 pm
Good man. Don't forget it's just 5 if paying in advance but 10 if paying on the day.

Spread the word amongst fellow submariners at your local club please. The more that attend the lower the cost. It's a great venue for subs.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 08:37:36 pm
Fancy building a boat to sink it  {-) {-) {-)

(will it go straight !!!!)

Don't knock it until you've tried it. Subs are far more like model aircraft than model ships, but have a less depressing knack of re-kitting themselves.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 08:45:09 pm
I wanted to come last year but it coincided with our clubs regatta.

I've wanted a sub for as long as I've known about them. I've got two lovely pools close to where I live whose managers of which are very friendly and wouldn't at all object to me running one in their pool.

We've currently only got two subs in our club, a Robbe Seawolf and a Gato, don't know who makes it but I'd give a rough guess of 50" long (definately not a Revell one though).

What I'd like is a big K-19 or Typhoon, but that's for later in life ;)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 09:33:34 pm
Ramesh (Mankster) should have his big Engel Typhoon there this year.

Gato may be an Engel or a Scale Shipyard hull, or even scratchbuilt.

The pools that you speak of, are they indoor or outdoor?
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 09:49:40 pm
Sounds good.

No idea what the Gato is, isn't scratchbuilt, I'll dig out a pic 'from the archives'.

Both indoor, in Stevenage and Letchworth. Haven't been to stevenage in ages but go to Letchworth every other week for kayaking.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 09:54:02 pm
Are they cheap? Been on the lookout for an indoor venue that's cheap (or free) for quite while, maybe for an evening winter run.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 10:02:26 pm
I don't think they are to be honest, our kayak club lost 1000 last year  :o I'll have a look.

Timetable seems pretty full, but I attach the relevant contact sites:

http://www.stevenage-leisure.co.uk/CentrenbspLocator/NorthHertsLeisureCentre/SwimmingPoolampFacilities/tabid/347/Default.aspx
http://www.stevenage-leisure.co.uk/Portals/8/Skins/stevenageleisure/EditorFiles/nhlc_timetable.pdf
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 10:05:08 pm
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/regatta%2009/DSC00632.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/regatta%2009/DSC00633.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 24, 2010, 10:29:25 pm
That's not a Gato class, it's a Type VII u-boat!
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 24, 2010, 10:42:25 pm
They look similar to me when im trying to remember what it looks like, he only brings it out once a year %) %) %)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Mankster on February 24, 2010, 11:03:09 pm
Ramesh (Mankster) should have his big Engel Typhoon there this year.

Gato may be an Engel or a Scale Shipyard hull, or even scratchbuilt.

The pools that you speak of, are they indoor or outdoor?

Yep, TK-20 will be there!
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Patrick Henry on February 25, 2010, 05:16:30 pm
Chris, you have a pm sir.

Rich
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 26, 2010, 11:12:54 am
Well I just won it, should be coming Monday :-))

The U-boat was apparently made by Supermodels.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 26, 2010, 03:16:10 pm
Jolly good. Welcome to the dark side!

Perhaps you might want to look at 'Perry' boats for inspiration for your boat- it looks like it has lots of potential. I can post some reference pictures up if you like.

I remember the Supermodels Type VII.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 26, 2010, 04:25:30 pm
I do like the Perry boats, 6705Russel (on here) had a TT Neptune on ebay that was dressed as one.

I like the look of that Russian MIR DSRV, almost the right dimensions and has a nice paint scheme. Going to attach a couple of waterproof torches to those rails down the side - want to do some underwater filming but our lake isn't quite as clear as your pool...
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 26, 2010, 05:09:15 pm
I have some drawings of the Mir submersible tucked away. It's a somewhat different shape to the DSRV- teardrop as opposed to cylindrical.

The converted Neptune was buot by Colin Stevens, using some reference material fro  me. What Colin did was somewhere between the Perry submersibles and the Delta Oceanographics submersibles. Looked great didn't it.

Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 27, 2010, 10:07:26 am

(http://s4.postimage.org/zdFDA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVzdFDA)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 27, 2010, 09:53:15 pm
That's a lot more teardrop shaped than I imagined, but thanks nevertheless. It'll be a bit of an imagination job by the looks of it....
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 28, 2010, 11:07:46 am
One of the good things about modelling something like this, is you can use a lot of interpretation. So you can mix and match different designs.

Your boat is a cylinder, so it would be better to look at the submersibles that are designed for diving to shallower depths. Here are a couple more images for inspiration. I have a lot of pictures of different submersibles on file.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/0835328.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/4089.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/page-152.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/page-180.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 28, 2010, 04:09:54 pm
That red and white thing looks fantastic, I think we have a winner ;)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 28, 2010, 07:12:46 pm
Ah ha. That's a Russian minisub.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/Bester1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/Bester.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/subculture84/1855-priz-pic2.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on February 28, 2010, 07:19:21 pm
Is it an AS-28?

Got a story behind it too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS-28

(http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/Images10July22-2005/SubRescue/AS-28Min-SubOnSurface.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Mini-submarine_AS-28_Priz_after_surfacing_in_the_Bering_Sea.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/AS-28_Priz.png)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on February 28, 2010, 08:22:52 pm
That's it. The Priz class, the Russians answer to the DSRV.

I believe there are some differences between the few boats in that class.

A favourite site of mine for looking up submersible information is this one-

http://psubs.org/

This site is for people who build their own personal submarines. Most of them are quite small (under 15 feet) one or two man subs. There are all sorts of oddities there. Not the easiest site to navigate around IMO, but dig around a little and you'll find plenty to get your teeth into.

Andy
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 03, 2010, 02:09:33 pm
Well it's arrived, a couple of things broken in transit but nothing serious. Just off to the shed to sort it out.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 19, 2010, 05:54:00 pm
We all live in a (no longer) yellow submarine, a (no longer) yellow submarine, a (no longer) yellow submarine... Come on everyone, join in...

Strawberry milkshake looking white bits are how the white primer has turned out on the yellow, and the rather decidedly grey bits are Halfords 'Citroen Arctic White'. Monday it will recieve it's red stripes (Halfords 'Fiat Red Orange'), then hopefully Thursday afternoon it will get it's maiden voyage.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3834.jpg?t=1269020965)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 22, 2010, 07:53:47 pm
It's all ready to go :-))

Had a lot of paint seepage under the masking tape, but without panic I waited for it to dry a bit then scraped off the worst of the red with a scalpel. I then mixed up some Tamiya paint to match the hull and airbrushed over it.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3836.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on March 22, 2010, 08:36:29 pm
Well you won't lose sight of that in a swimming pool.

Reminds me that I need a trip to the barbers to have my ears lowered!

Are you going to make a sail/conning tower for it?
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 22, 2010, 08:49:56 pm
I hope to do so yes, after I've done some basic trials down the lake. It came with a lot of unpainted ally parts (a couple of which you can see in the pic) to put on too.

It doubles up nicely as a lighthouse...
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: chingdevil on March 22, 2010, 09:03:50 pm
Why does that remind me of a bomb?????????


Brian
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: hmsantrim on March 22, 2010, 10:28:05 pm
 Hi Andyn.
               Seen to remember an article in an old marine modeller mag about Eden model subs and I think the submersible
                was called "Marvyn" at that time. 


                       cheers Frank..
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 22, 2010, 11:10:40 pm
Well mine is called Melvin now ;)

I have no idea Brian...

By the way, if you're building me a helilandingpadspring the deck will need to be at least 13" wide, just made some floats for the honeybee :-))
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on March 23, 2010, 04:13:56 pm
If you paint any metal parts use an etching primer first. This will stop the paint chipping off.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 23, 2010, 05:07:02 pm
I'm going to leave these unpainted, I think they contrast with the hull well. Thanks for the tip though.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on March 23, 2010, 06:34:25 pm
They will oxidise so I'd recommend you either anodise them or give them a few coats of lacquer.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: hmsantrim on March 24, 2010, 10:05:14 am
Hi Andyn.
             you could go here and have a look at delta submersible http://www.modelluboot.de/

               cheerss Frank
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 27, 2010, 05:25:20 pm
Well then, Operation Melvin The Stripy Soggy Submarine is progressing. After many failed attempts and an awful lot of language too strong for here I got the seal to go down properly(ish, it's got a tear in it), I've packed all the bellows and round the rear seal with silicon grease, and it's been for a bath run.

It doesn't leak anymore, and feeling adventurous I tried a couple of dives. All works well, even if it does come up bottom first...

A story is nothing without pictures, so here goes :-))

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3837.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3838.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3839.jpg)
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: Subculture on March 27, 2010, 09:11:11 pm
Replace any dodgy seals, sods law says it's the one that will let you down.

Have a word with Chris, he'll sort you out.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on March 27, 2010, 11:21:16 pm
Chris, if you're around, I need a new seal ;)

It's got a tear on the inside about a 1/8" across. Still, best to replace it.
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: sheerline on April 27, 2010, 08:55:33 am
Andy, I just got back on here, been up to the eyeballs with work and house alterations so apologies for the lateness in responding.
Don't risk your boat for the sake of a tenner, thats the price of a new set of (four) new seals.
If you need any seals or bits, give me a call :01493 754007
The boat's looking good mate, it makes a change from the basic yellow although it was really easy to see underwater.
Good luck with it, it's a very relaxing and enjoyable sub to operate.
Chris
 
Title: Re: Yellow ebay thing.
Post by: andyn on April 27, 2010, 11:59:10 am
Cheers mate, I'll give you a call mid may when I've got some funds up. Going to get a failsafe for the dive servo too.