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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: dan on March 01, 2010, 05:59:30 pm
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Can Someone please help me identify this hull, it might be easy for some of you but i have no knowledge what so ever :embarrassed: once i find out roughly what it is i would like to have a go at building it :-) thanks
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Can Someone please help me identify this hull, it might be easy for some of you but i have no knowledge what so ever :embarrassed: once i find out roughly what it is i would like to have a go at building it :-) thanks
A picture would help. :-)) O0
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Oops :embarrassed:
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I've just seen some plans on Ebay. Could this be similar ?
ken
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MODEL-36-RACING-SAILBOAT-INSTUCTIONS-PLANS-on-CD_W0QQitemZ290398156011QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Vehicles?hash=item439d1434eb
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Dan,
What are the dimensions of your hull?
Derek.
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hi derek,
im not sure of the dimensions ill get them tomorrow in the light and let you know,
thanks, dan
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I've just seen some plans on Ebay. Could this be similar ?
ken
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MODEL-36-RACING-SAILBOAT-INSTUCTIONS-PLANS-on-CD_W0QQitemZ290398156011QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Vehicles?hash=item439d1434eb
im pretty sure its a little bit longer that 326 inches :-))
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At twenty seven feet plus, I'd live on it ! O0 O0
Mike
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Another mistake made by myself, :D it's mention to say 36 inches not 326
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I've done some research for you and think it could be made to look like the Robbe Atlantis. Have a look at this site.
http://ukatlantisbuilder.blogspot.com/
A lot of work, but the result could be stunning.
Hope this helps
Ken
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Would tend to agree with you, Ken, but if Dan can post the measurements of his hull that would confirm it. :-)) Have a look at this website with the measurements of an Atlantis.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.roboat.at/typo3temp/pics/590b171001.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.roboat.at/en/technologie/roboat-prototyp/&h=303&w=300&sz=12&tbnid=NWnUQsajO-8dZM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drobbe%2Batlantis&hl=en&usg=__SIud_OEBx4vtqgLfWpII-tnEdhQ=&ei=dBeNS5XkBIW6jAe-1-CGDg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=8&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwBw
Derek.
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Having had a closer look, I don't think it is an Atlantis - the curve of the bow does not look quite right and the cut away for the rudder is not quite the same. :((
Whatever it is I wouldn't mind owning it (nudge-nudge-wink-wink).
Derek.
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Compare it with this Atlantis -
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Blimey not much difference :-)
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hi guys,
thanks for the input so far, the dimentions are 60 inches long by 14 inch beam
thanks, dan
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Going on the dimensions I would suggest that it is an 'Argus' schooner which, I believe, was designed by a HE Andrews and moulded by Bob Underhill. I don't think that there is an Underhill catalogue available any more but I have one which is several years old and 'Argus' looks like Dan's model. The dimensions given are 60" x 14.5" and displacement 52lbs. The photographs I have in the catalogue are not good enough to reproduce. If anyone else has any details of Bob Underhill plans or 'Argus' they may be able to help.
I have one of Bob Underhill's hulls which I have yet to start on. It is absolutely superb but it is not the 'Argus' (see below).
Derek.
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thanks very much for your help derek and valuble information, its much appriciated :-)) like derek said if anyone has more info on it, please could you share it with me?
thanks, dan
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Right guys, I'm going to have a go at building a yacht, you might have seen the hull on another thread. From the info i have got from other members i will be building it as a schooner. I have never built anything like this before, just scale models. So I'm going to need some help. however i do sail racing dingies so i know how most things work O0
Ill start with some (of what i think) some basic questions based on the construction.
1) I will be using real wood planking for the deck, so should i paint the hull first before fitting the ply deck, which the planks will sit on, or should i fit the Ply first then paint then fit the planks?
2) when should i fit the Sail winches, and where would be the best place to fit them, should they been in front or behind the mast that is holding the boom and sail they will be controlling?
3) what should i use for ballest, because i think its going to need around the 50Lb mark when it comes to ballest?
i think thats enough for now, but i can garrenttee there will be many more to come, i will be ordering the first materials Monday afternoon to get this project moving.
Finally what advice would you give to someone who has never built a yacht or build with wood?
thanks, Dan
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Hi Dan
I always hate spray painting when there is wood around. I would advise Painting the hull complete with rudder assembled, That way you spray inside the bulwarks (is this what they're called on a Yacht?). Then when the deck goes down you'll get a nice clean cut edge.
With regards the other nautical questions then I leave it to others, but watch with interest.
Best of luck and don't forget to build a sturdy stand and you can walk around her whilst fitting out.
Ken
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Hi Dan
I agree with Kenny--- Paint first
As for the ply deck before you fit it I would decide what sail control I wanted, my schooner uses two large sail arm servos set between the masts one to control the Jib and staysail the other controls the Fore and the Mainsail However I differ from the main stream way of fitting servos (most people mount them down inside the hull) as I fit mine to the under side of the main hatch with the sail arm's exposed on deck--- this allowes me easy access to the servos (Just remove the hatch) and also makes rigging and maintaining the sheets (the lines that control the sails) much easer to get at... the arm's are later hidden under deck houses, ships boats etc: BUT this is my metherd --- which ever way you do it check and mount any under leads and fittings before putting on the decks....
I always attach my sheets to the boom at about the centre and then to a bowser running along the boom (this gives you the most movement on the boom and allows adjustment
Ballast I almost allways use flashing lead,,, ether in sheets cut to shape or in shaped cast blocks...
If you check in Chit Chat "Rigging tool" you will see some pictures of my schooner "Wyvern" half finished on sailing trials
Freebooter :-))
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Try here http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12146.0
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Thanks TT
Jimmy
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first bit of primer was applied today, and its not looking too bad, its taken 2 days worth of sanding to get it ready, i will apply another primer coat tomorrow befor the final top coats.
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Interesting :-)). What hull and dimensions please, Dan.
Derek.
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Thanks Derek, heres a link to the info of the hull
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22638.0
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Many thanks, Dan. Had a senior moment (happen quite regularly :(() and forgotten that I made some suggestions on your original posting. Did you manage to confirm whether it was a Bob Underhill boat - one way would be by the superb quality of the moulding. :-))
Derek.
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no problem :-)) im still not 100% sure what the hull is yet {:-{
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Hi Dan,
I have tried to submit a scan of Bob Underhill's Argus but it keeps coming back with 'the file is too large' in spite of the fact that I have resized it so, I'm afraid I cannot help you any more. :((
Derek.
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Hi derek if I send you my email address could you email it to me please ?
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Here goes for another try with the scan -
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Nice one Derek :-)) Are you going to bring it to the lake!
Jimmy
Freebooter
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Thanks, Jimmy. This one isn't mine. The hull that I have is shown on reply # 15 on the link below -
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22638.0
I have yet to start on it but, hopefully, it will be at the lake this summer.
Derek.
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Thanks Derek, it does look very similar. I'll research it a bit more and then decide what I'm going to build it as :-))
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Hiya Dan and Derek,
try here for some nice scale sail images including Argus.
http://dabblers.wikispaces.com/Scale+Sail+Page+1
And is the hull you've got Derek by Bob Underwood as I have seen his name used in reference to sail boat hulls.
Keith.
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Thanks for the link, Keith - some nice photos. Yes, my hull is by Bob Underwood (although I made a mistake and called him Underhill earlier). :(( Collected from him in 2008, got the sails from Sails Etc and must get started and sailing soon. My hull is the 'Folly'.
For anyone interested in this type of boat and Bob Underwood's in particular I would suggest that they try to get hold of Marine Modelling magazines for February to May, 1999 and June, 2000, as they have a series of articles on 'Classic Sail', covering construction and sailing, etc.
Derek
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thanks for the info and link keith :-))
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OK Ive decided to build it as the Argus schooner. However i will be building it only from pictures, no plans but ill do my very best to get the scale right. If anyone notices something thats been done wrong please feel free to point it out, i will not take offence.
Unfortunately, due to circamstances i can not order any materials until a week Monday so the build is going to have to wait >>:-(
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OK Ive decided to build it as the Argus schooner. However i will be building it only from pictures, no plans but ill do my very best to get the scale right.
Hi Dan the method you use to estimate size from pics will be of interest to some of us on here, as it is something new to many.
If you don't have a method yet, and you put forward a proposed method, those few who have done it could advise further.
Just some thoughts
Mark
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Hi Dan the method you use to estimate size from pics will be of interest to some of us on here, as it is something new to many.
If you don't have a method yet, and you put forward a proposed method, those few who have done it could advise further.
Just some thoughts
Mark
im not sure yet as its new to me too, :-)) but ill give it a go and let you know what happens O0
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Hi Dan.
if you go on line to my hobby store you will get the plans for argus plans number (Argus MM405) for @ £10,
hope his helps.
cheers Frank
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I have now taken over ownership of this splendid hull and look forward to having a go when I get the time.
I'll wait until you do yours Larry before attempting any thing. :-))
Ken