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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: rg197r27 on April 02, 2010, 08:06:42 pm
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Please find attached some photos of my tamar which in build, she will be of the new St.Helier Lifeboat here in Jersey, Her penant number is 16-12 and she will be called the George Suillivan. The model is in 1:12 scale and i am using one of Speedline Models Kits
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More piccy's to follow
rich
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Nice looking build. I watch with interest so keep them pictures coming. :-))
ken
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Hi Rich,
looking good and what a good start to the build.
Alan
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Hi Rich,
Thanks for posting the pictures. I too am doing a Speedline Tamar, 16-09, Salcombe. This is my first serious big build without instructions. I am just starting the build and already you have answered one of my concerns! Thanks for the posting, some nice detail modelling there. I'll follow with interest, keep the photos coming.
Chris
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chris
if you need any help just let me know as it has been a steep learning curve
rich
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Chris
If it any help all the measurements for mine i have taken of the set of plans you can get of the rnli technical dept in poole the formula you will need is the measurement off the plans (which are 1:25 scale) measurement multiply by 25 and then divide by 12 = 1:12 measurement for use on model.
The plans which do help are avalabile from the technical dept on 0845 045 6999 and they cost £30.00
Regards
Rich
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CJ1,
Your other topic deleted as requested.
Roger in France
Moderator
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Rich,
Despite being a man, I am multi-tasking! I'm cutting out the windows and am about to fix the prop shafts as my motors have now arrived. I did get the plans from the RNLI...really useful thanks, so I have the location details for the props etc.
What sort of tray/bulkhead have you used for mounting your motors? My motors come with good mounting plates, and I would like to make a tray of sorts to make a really neat layout inside for the motors, escs, batteries and servo etc. What do you suggest?
Chris
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Chris
I am using the same motors as phil they are emax 4030/10 brushless motors, i have them but havent got around to fitting them yet
rich
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here are some photo's of todays work
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I am hoping to start spraying the hull next week
rich
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Rich, Slow down!! I don't stand a chance of keeping up at this rate.
That looks so good. What a nice job you're making.
Thanks for the pictures, again really helpful. I made up the window frames this afternoon, they were a joy to make. So pleasing. I decided I needed to have them to draw the cutouts on the cabin sides. It did make it much easier to find the positions. I thought I had marked the front windows too high because there wasn't enough room for the front camera. Then I found the photo on the disc that shows the camera housing overlapping the top of the front middle window frame....so the drawings were right all along!
How are you painting it.... with aerosols, or have you got a spray gun? What paint and colours are you using?
Chris
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thanks for the comments m8 i am going to use aerosols as i have had some 500 ml ones mixed up
I got the colours of here somewhere
If you wish to be authentic and can get the colours mixed at your local paintshop, then these are what you are looking for. I got the code direct from The Engineering section of the RNLI
Lifeboats Blue (BS381c) Oxford Blue 105
Lifeboats Yellow (BS381c) Bold Yellow 363
Lifeboats Red (BS381c) Rail Red 539
Lifeboats Orange (BS381c) Orange 557
regards
rich
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That’s going to be a great model Rich, great photos of your build. :-)) :-)) I hope you don’t mind me saying, she will perform a lot better if you swap your props onto the opposite shafts. I have always achieved better performance with twin prop models with the port prop turning clockwise and the starboard prop turning anticlockwise.
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thanks for you comment m8 i will take note once i have painted the hull
regards
rich
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Sorry i havent been around i have been busy building my tamar please find attached my latest photos
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Just getting the motors ready to fit
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regards
rich
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and another Tamar is born, paint job looks good Rich, will send you photos of my working mast.
Phil.
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Hey Phil,
I follow your website with interest. Whens the next big update? I check each day.
Dan
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soon, been working to hard!!!! :-)) :-))
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Hi Rich,
That looks good, good photos too.
Did you cut out the two small fore deck lockers in the cabin front (either side of the front escape hatch), or have you placed the covers straight onto the grp?
How are you planning to seal the cabin/deck join later or is the upstand enough to keep water out?
..and the last thing for now....have you got an opening transom operated by r/c?. I am installing my electrics inside at the moment and wondering whether and where to put a servo to do this. I'm trying to work out the position and angle to operate the ram.
Chris
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Hi chris
No i havent cut out the two small fore deck lockers in the cabin front, they are glued straight onto the grp. I havent decided on how
to seal the cabin/deck join yet but with the weight of the superstructure the upstand may well be enough to keep water out. The stern door and the deck covers are proving to be a complete nightmare to make radio controlled, As you can see from the photos they are made up and they are ready for which way i install them, You are correct it is the angles to make them work proplery
regards
rich
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Wow! that looks really good Richard. You chaps are doing a super job and it's greaty to see you enjoying yourselves. I will be at Mayhems Wicksteed bash later in the month and will be taking my prototype Tamar for a spin. It's a bit knocked about nowadays but its still fun. I can help with ram positions for the stern door etc. just drop me a line.
Adrian
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Hi chris
Just wondering on how you are progressing with your tamar
rich
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Rich,
Good now thanks. We are in the middle of building work at home so I have to take my moments when I can!
The lads on the Salcombe Tamar let me on for a photo session last week and that has spurred me on. (thanks lads!)
I don't have any metal working machinery/tools/experience, but have a friend nearby with a good workshop and he helped me this weekend. I have finally alligned the motors and shafts with the help of his lathe and brass tube, and so was able to make a strong ply motor mount and tray for the escs. I made a pair of brass rudder horns and connected the two rudders together and to the servo. I have extended the rudder tubes to above the waterline inside, but with enough space to work on them under the transom garage. With a little grease, this should minimise the water ingress here. I epoxied a ply web behind each tube to make them rigid, and managed to keep the tolerances fine so there is very little play but they still turn sweetly. Made a servo tray in aluminium, including a spare slot for a servo to operate the transom door in case I go down that route, but have still not made a tray for the batteries. I was going to check the fore and aft trim tonight at bath-time! The tray for the bowthruster battery, esc and switch are also in now.
On the y-boat, I've added detail to the outboard, and assembled, faired and primed the hull.
I've taken some photos, but can't work out how to keep their file size small enough to post on the forum. I'll post them as soon as poss.
Chris
Oh, and the windows are now all cut out in the cabin.
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Rich,
How did you construct the steps on the deck from the side deck up to the aft deck? I clearly need to do that before I trim the cabin sides. Yours look very neat.
Chris.
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How did you construct the steps on the deck from the side deck up to the aft deck?
They're moulded into the deck in the Speedline kits aren't they?
Lance
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No they arent moulded in, these need to be made up...
Russ
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thanks russ you are correct they are made up from 6 pieces of perspex i have cut the superstructure to locate around them or you could fit them so they fit on the outside and leave a gap between the steps and the hatch flange
rich
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Rich,
I like the way you have made the steps and cut the cabin sides to fit. I hadn't thought of using perspex..it's obviously what gives it the crisp finish on your model, thanks for that. The lads at Salcombe let me take some photos the other day. Here's what the real thing is like finished on their boat.
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Chris
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chris the parts for the steps are included in the kit if you check on the cd which you should of got with your kit it highlights where the parts are on the various sheets
rich
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Rich,
Thanks for that. I've been concentrating so hard on making up the electrics/internals, I had actually forgotten it's a kit! Seriously! I'll take some time this evening to read the Instructions and parts list. I had genuinly forgotten! :embarrassed:
Please don't mention it to anyone else on the forum or I'll be demoted to making up the Airfix Severn my sister bought me for my birthday!
Chris
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Thats ok m8 pm me if you need help
rich
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I picked up a big box from the post office yesturday with loods of goodys in it for my tamar it included my radio system two brushless speed controller and the bow thruster speed controller and a how load of other stuff was well
rich
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Rich,
With brushless motors, do you need special speed controllers?...and did you get an extra servo to make the stern door operate remotely?
Chris
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Chris
With brushless motors you have three wires going to as they are three phase, and i have got some extra servos and a snake link for the stern door, so i need to plan out the interior on locations etc
rich
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Rich,
Just back from holiday and have started to work on the rear cockpit/upper helm position. I finally located the floor for it, my instructions didn't include the part on the drawings and I didn't recognise it on the perspex sheet. A phone call to Adrian sorted it out. I located the steps for the side decks, but having assembled them, they don't look scale and so I made new ones from ply.
A question. I have made up the mast support boxes port and starboard, but am reluctant to glue these to the stern stowage wall assembly before painting them, as access looks really difficult after glueing, especially to the air vents on the port side box. What have you done?
Chris
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hi chris sorry i haven't been around due to illness and other problems but he ho i am getting back on track i have fitted the mast boxes to my superstructure but you need to fit the brass mast mounting brackets inside before gluing in place it can be done afterwards but it is easier before fitting
rich
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Rich,
Sorry about the health, hope you're getting better.
I'm feeling a bit sick myself now, but fortunately only mentally!
I assembled the stowage area/upper helm, carefully painting areas which I wouldn't be able to get to later. Looking at the mast support boxes, I thought I could make a better job detailing the port one underneath the air intake, cutting four small slots. When I came to fit the completed stowage area/boxes, I found that the whole assembly was too tight high up and forced the GRP sides of the cockpit slightly out of line. I tweaked as much as I could but there was still a discrepency, but as it was all glued up, I left it...but didn't like it.
This morning, first I read your post and realised that I should have fitted the brass mast support brackets as you explain, then I found the perspex detail sheets for around the air intakes included in the kit and I want to use those, and what with the misalignment......I took the whole lot out! An hour with my Dremel and a sharp chisel....and no harm done except to my pride. I'm going to start again.
There is a smaller air vent supplied for the starboard mast support box (s/a 34), but I can't see one on any of the reference photos in the cockpit. Is this the one that shows on the outside (starboard side) of the cabin moulding?
Chris
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Rich,
You were right about the brass mounting brackets! Having dismantled the upper helm area, they went in really easily this afternoon, but would have driven me mad, taken hours and probably broken something with the boxes in-situ. Thanks,
Chris
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chris have a look here i took the measurements of the plans and you are correct it is on the starboard side outter face
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rich
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Rich,
Yes, I can see it now, thanks.
I have started to glue the perspex parts to the grp deck, but have used araldite for the first ones, and the araldite has not bonded to the perspex. I cleaned the perspex first, and have ensured the backing sheets were removed. These are the two engine cover panels. At least they came away cleanly and without damage.
What have you used to bond the perspex parts to the grp?
Chris
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I found the best way is to ruff the underside and then a small area on the grp then a drop of super glue and its sticks with no problems, just make sure you get it in the right place first time :-))
Phil
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The build is progressing i will update photo's soon
rich
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Hi Rich,
On your Tamar, re the folding hatch to the Y-Boat hold.
I have the kit, but can't seem to find the hinges that cause this hatch to fold. Can you tell me which etch they are on, I think I've looked everywhere, but guess i'm just being stoooopid!!!!
Ken
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Brian
It is on the brass 0.8mm sheet of brass part number o6
rich
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Part 06 is the hinge for the rear opening door. I'm after the hinges for the folding deck hatch. Still can't find them anywhere
Ken
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Ken,
In my Tamar kit, there was a set of brass hinges of the correct size (albeit with square corners to be rounded off) in a small plastic bag in the big box. I can't think of anywhere else to put them so I assume they are for the doors.
Chris
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Thanks, Chris.
Guess that's another phone call to Adrian 'cause they wern't in my box.
Ken
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Nor mine... >:-o
Russ
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Please find attached below some mote photos of my tamar
Lifeboat
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I am hopefully painting the cabin orange this weekend
Regards
Rich
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looks lovely, Rich...
oh how i wished i'd kept mine.ceste la vie.
neil. {:-{
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Dear Rich,
Really nice work. I especially like the mast detail.
I've just started on the cabin exterior detail, working from the front. The handrails are my next job. Any tips or hints please?
Also, did you use Trimline for the yellow and red stripes?
Chris
ps Love your neat workshop! I live in damp Devon, and my drawings keep falling off the wall!
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Thanks for your comments guys, Chris cabin hand rails are not
To bad I used one metre lengths of 2mm rod this is enough for the
Length I silver soldered the spacer rods to the length, just take your time
The two rear quarter panels do have separrate hand rails any questions please
Ask. The red and yellow are 6mm trimline vinyl tape I started from one quarter to the
Other so there is no join at bow. I know what you meen about the plans
Coming off your walls
Rich
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Rich,
Thank you for the advice on the handrails. I've just got back from holiday and got stuck in! The starboard rail is soldered up and in place. I did what you said and took my time. I have a stone soldering tile which I marked up with score lines at right angles as a jig, and used engineers metal blocks to hold the brass rod down in place while I soldered the spacer rods in place. I confess soldering is relatively new to me so this is a steep learning curve.
I'm coming over to St.Helier next week for a couple of days so I'll try and have a look at their boat then.
Thanks again,
Chris
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Finally got around to painting the wheelhouse on my Tamar please
See photos below
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Rich
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The build is coming together now here are some of
My latest photos
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Regards
Rich
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Looking very good Rich, mine is more or less at the same stage.....
Russ
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Thanks for your comments Russ the mast is built
And there are photos of it in an earlier post hopefully
Going to paint it this weekend. Just need to contact
Radio control in order to lower mast and aerials
Rich
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when you starting all the hand rail work then Rich ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :-)) :-)) :-))
Phil.
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Looking great,
What colour is the final coat of red on the hull ?
Gerard
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Our tamar is one of a few which lies afloat this is why she has a red oxide
Anti fouling colour and not like most of the slipway based tamars which
Have the white anti fouling
Rich
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Phil
Hopefully soon mate
Rich
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i have been off work recently and it has given me time to continue work on my tamar, i have run the model up and every thing works and i have included these extra functions
the top three photos are videos please click on them
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thanks for looking
rich
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Nice going so far,when it`s near complete i know a man who can do your flags.(Mike alsop,scale flags & ensigns) Martin
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thanks martin for the heads up
rich
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Build is still progressing I will post some updated photos hopefully after the weekend.
Rich
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After having a couple of days off I have progressed well
Here are a couple of photos after today's work
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Updates to follow
Thanks for looking
Rich
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Thankyou for your kind reply,I'm in the middle of making the mast and would like to have the radar unit working but can't find a motor,could you advise me what you used and where to get one from that is small enough.i think you have made a great build looks fantastic,one more thing could you tell me what colour the rear transom guard is and the rear end hand rails should be.
Regards Arthur
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Evening Aurthur
I carefully hollowed out the standard resin motor casing with my dremel using a router bit ( using a low speed and please take your time as it gets very thin at the top) the motor I used is one of these [font=.HelveticaNeueUI]http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/acatalog/Robbe-Electric-Motors-For-Model-Boats.html (http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/acatalog/Robbe-Electric-Motors-For-Model-Boats.html) the motor is the 500-1 version I am running it on a 4.8 volt battery Pack.
The rear towing bar and the aft railings are painted in humbrol satin light aircraft grey (product code 166) the forward railings are humbrol satin black (product code 85)
I hope this helps you if you need anything else please get in touch.
Regards
Rich[/font]
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My finished model on display at the jersey boat
Show collecting funds for the rnli (mine is the one in the centre)
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Rich
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that is sure looking good! Well done.Did you make the mast and aerials fold electronically aka Phil?
Another query please,is what did you use for your mast lights,I plan to use LEDs,but cannot find anything suitable for the "shades"/coverings?
I plan to e mail Phil again in the hope he may supply me with a wiring diagram.
Cheers,
Mick F
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Thanks for the comments mike yes the main
Mast lowers and raises when it is in the
Upright position there is a electronic switch
Which turns on the radar, the main wip aerials also
Raise and lower to, I also used 6volt LEDs from the
Component shop with resistors in line for the voltage
Drop they also supplied the 9volt blue flashing led.
You will also need a high torque metal geared servo
To raise and lower the mast as mine is totally made out
Of brass so there is a small amount of weight when lifting
The mast
Rich
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Hi
I have purchased accurate lenses with correct light angles from www.modelllbau-kaufhaus.de (http://www.modelllbau-kaufhaus.de) you will have use google translate
size you will require are 1:25 to 1:30
part numbers 010 333, 010255, 010256,010257,010259,
Akers
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Thanks for the link mate sounds good could you check the link for me as it doesn't work
Regards
Rich
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Rich,
there is one "L" to many in modellbau ie 2 Ls not 3.
Mick F
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Thanks mick
Rich
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Sorry my slip up yes you are right there are only 2 L's
Akers
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Dear Aker,
a lot of your pictures are missing, can you check that please, we don't wanna miss them
thank you
best regards Olav