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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: 6705russell on May 14, 2010, 07:19:48 am
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I will be trying to make a start on my Brave Borderer soon, she is 1/24 scale and a superb fibre glass moulding that is one of four pulled from the plug. Next job is to source the fittings from various suppliers, does anyone know where to get 1/24 scale torpedos and racks?
Thanks
Russ
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yeh, percison control, does nearly all the fittings for it, gun, etc, all that you are looking for. :-))
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Thanks for that :-))
Russ
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Phoniex
I presume you mean Precision Controls.
I have some of their stuff from a while ago and it is not that good.
Try John Haynes, his gun kits are very good. Also look at HSL mouldings.
Cheers
Mark
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Hi Russ, that is a superb hull. It certainly looks 'spot on', especially the bow profile and chine lines. Even the knuckle has been moulded on the gunwales. :-) I hope you will post pictures of the build. The Brave class was for many, the ultimate coastal craft, and it's great to see a 1:24 scale moulding of this quality. Stern pictures of BB are few but I found this one which may be useful in the future. She's moored inbord of a German Ferocity class.
http://www.schnellboot.net/de/bundesmarine-deutsche-marine/schnellboote/typ-153-brave-borderer-pfeil-strahl/004.jpg
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Hello from Canada,Russel do you have a compleat URL for Precision Controls and John haynes please ? would sure help
Many thanks Pat
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Work as started to progress now, i will post some pictures soon. Does anyone know what RAL colour would of been for the Brave? Very few pictures/information on the internet....
Many thanks
Russ
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Russ by the late 50s early 60s the colour admiralty was using for most warships was BS 381C 676 Light Weatherworks Grey.
I got a 500mll tin from White Ensign Models for my destroyer of that period. It only comes in gloss but they recommend for use
with airbrushes a 50/50 mix with a good quality white spirit and it ends up a good silk finish. I used mine about 55% paint and found that
perfect for spraying. If you look at my build blog you will see the finish which I think is pretty good especially as its the first time I had
used my airbrush.
Hope this helps
Geoff http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=26142.0
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Thanks for that Geoff, i will be able to get that BS number mixed...
Russ
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Hi how are you going to power this boat, the mouldings look great by the way.
Peter
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Thanks Peter
Power will be three brushless motors, undecided on type or size at the minute, any ideas/configurations?
Cheers
Russ
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A little more work as been done, shafts/rudders fitted and the working trim tab made, next step is to make the linkages for the rudders and the trim tab along with fitting the brushless motors - 200w rated.
Russ
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when you try to work out the links you may find the top ones going through the hull may need to be able to pivot as we as allow the rod through, you may find it easier to have it spring loaded open with a stop and use a cable ( fishing trace wire) or look at the other boat that was built recently and the problem s he had and how he sorted it
its looking a lot better now by the way
peter
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Thanks Peter, i was having a dabble with a couple of set-ups last night, a bit of a trial and error job...
Russ
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6705russell......was the inboard central ...."no 3 engine" only installed & designed for emergency use?.....which equated to the total shaft HP transmitted when needed O0 ......Derek
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I like the design and shape of the transom flap, any chance of posting up a drawing of the one you have chosen to use as id like to use this style on my perkasa, failing that, kindly "pm" me with an image/copy.
many thanks in advance.
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how are you operating the tabs ? im looking to make some for a huntsman , my only difference being i need a pair rather than one long one !
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hi ya there Rus nice build - have you had a chance to look at MartinDoonUnder's build of his BB - he has an operating rear trim tabs. This might give you some ideas. Just out of curiosity, have your prop shafts got to go further back into the hull or are the P support brackets in the wrong place ie. too far back?
As you probably know, the prop boss should mate up against the face of the P bracket. There should be very little gap between prop and bracket (if any).
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Unfotunately because the p brackets are the wrong size I couldn't move them much further aft, the props would hit the hull. I have been looking at Martins build of the Borderer, fantastic work and will be operating the trim tab very much the same..
Russ
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Looking good Russ, forgot to text you back yesterday, sorry. See you soon, Dave. :-)) :-)) :-))
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I like the design and shape of the transom flap, any chance of posting up a drawing of the one you have chosen to use as id like to use this style on my perkasa, failing that, kindly "pm" me with an image/copy.
many thanks in advance.
I will drop you a copy of my sketch on a pm..
Thanks
Russ
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Looking good Russ, forgot to text you back yesterday, sorry. See you soon, Dave. :-)) :-)) :-))
Thanks Dave, catch up soon. :-))
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Managed to fit the motors this morning, 1100kv brushless from Giant Cod, first time i have used this supplier and so far so good.
Russ
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Very nice Russ, shame the lakes frozen over! {:-{ You can have my old bath to run it in when I rip it out?! {-) See you soon, Dave. :-))
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Yeh i could do with a new test tank :-)
Lower half of the hull now sprayed, give it a couple of days before i mask off and spray the upper half...
Russ
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May I make a comment about the props being un supported near the end I think you will need an extra bracket just behind the prop or it will shake itself to death at the recs of a brushless motor .
Peter
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Very nice Russ, you must have the heating on in the workshop now if you're spraying? %) Use the fire station bay if you want, one of the perks of the job, nice big heated bay with good lighting! I just make a donation to the Benevolent Fund each year and make sure not to get paint on the big red truck! See you soon, Dave. :-))
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I agree with HS93,those props will need support at the prop.
Best to fix now to aviod disappointment.
Gra
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Point taken on board reference the prop supports but i have not had a problem with the 1/12 Tamar and that runs on 800kv brushless with the same prop set up? I will keep on eye on them when water testing next year, shouldnt see a problem with them.
Russ
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could you not make up some longer prop bearing brackets in brass ? i make all of my own ones using the k&s metals range !
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It's a shame the p frames were short ,however, your exposed shafts should certainly create less drag than full length prop tubes. Nothing is perfect but your arrangement is much closer to the Vosper original than most. :-)
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Thanks Perkasaman, i think "drag" issues went out the window anyway when i fitted the motors! ok2
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It's a shame the p frames were short ,however, your exposed shafts should certainly create less drag than full length prop tubes. Nothing is perfect but your arrangement is much closer to the Vosper original than most. :-)
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Great pix Intel..
You're right Russ, but every little helps......... the +30% over brushed equivalents is definately .........no drag.
What size/make props have you chosen? They look like quality items.
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The outer props are Sitek,s, if you look closely the middle prop is a different make/design, i have had the two outer ones for a while, i will need to source a third eventually to match them up....
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Nice items, they look 40mm+ in size. I cannot recall the diameter of the original Vosper (turbine power) props being listed in any of the usual reference sources I checked recently, although I was researching 'Perkasa' rather than the 'Braves' specs on the usual web sites.This size has remained a mystery. :-)
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ive been onto bmpbt site this evening and although information is shown on thrust & shaft angles i didnt notice any diameters listed
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After been struck down with the "man-flu" i have made a little more progress on the Brave, finished spraying the hull and superstructure, deck sprayed, made the base for the flying bridge, long-range fuel tanks fitted and now starting to fix various deck fittings including the two torpedo racks...
Russ
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She's looking good Russ. I know you've had man-flu but managed force that mixed grill down you at the weekend! O0 See you soon, Dave & Audie... :-))
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Growing lad Dave... {-)
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you'll burst out ya shirt and not fit in that new Z3 of yours if ya grow anymore........... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-).
nice work on the BB............
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Thanks matey, I can fit a few more steaks in yet.. :-))
Hopefully tomorrow I will be installing the new sound unit.....
Russ
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Do you use the same one for all your boats, russ.
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No, all separate, in two of the lifeboats I am running the Rc Model Workshops, in the Trent is one of Actions P100 and I have another P100 with gas turbine sound for the Brave.
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Over the past couple of days i have made up both Bofors 40mm guns, all deck vents fitted, hatches and torpedos...
Russ
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Well done - might have to get back to working on my BB - only wish I could build that fast..
Martin doon under
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Today,s mission was to fit the internals and make the rear exhaust shelf, unfortunatley it looks a little bigger than it should do so i will be making a new one, speed controllers fitted along with a P100, amplifier and speaker in a sound box. I also made the second mast array and fitted the nav lights....
Russ
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She's looking very impressive Russ. Now you've mastered the mast making are you going tackle the Tamar Lifeboats? See you soon, Dave. :-))
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Hi Dave
Yeh I will be cracking on with the Tamar as soon as I have finished the Brave, got hooked on this build, really enjoying it.....
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Noticed you'd got into the Brave, I'll have to do some more soon when have finished the bathroom. Wish the lake would hurry up and thaw out, quite a few of us got new boats to test. We'll have to go over to Chasewater, seen the post about their lake being clear, wonder if they'd mind a few gatecrashers? Dave. O0 O0
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he's got the mast for his Barnett to do first........or is that a sore point, %% %% %% %% %%
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I will get to it.........eventually >>:-(
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I hope your not picking on him Neil. You don't want to make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he gets angry <*<
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Must admit Audi, it does look a bit like Russ. But what,s with the hair?
john
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Its ok John, i use hair gel now .... :-))
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Yea John, he has to gell it back over the 'thinning' bit {-)
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Ouch, you don,t hold back do you Audi ?
John
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Ok ok, this thread is about my boat not my hair, be warned i have been back on the multi gym..... <*<
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you know I love ya really Russ %)
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What scale is the multi gym Russ?
john
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it's a wonder he knows what one is,
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sorry matey but the thought of you on a multi gym is almost as funny as thinking of me on a bungy rope, <:( <:( <:( <:(
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What he meant to say was "I've got a multi-gym and I know how to dust it" {-) {-) {-) {-)
I have seen it, it's at the top end of his 'workshop' under all the boxes and crap, behind the boats O0
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You'll notice I've not commented, mainly because I've been busy decorating and haven't had time until now. %) I know you've only been able to gain access to the multigym recently because it was blocked in by boats and convertible cars. I could do with using your multigym, how much is hourly rental? Brave Borderer is looking great, Dave. :-))
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I've got a multi-gym and I know how to dust it"
AWWWHHHHH come on Audie.....I draw the line at that.......you girls KNOW that we men can't dust...................can't even dust our own boats, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Hey you speak for yourself, my workshop is like a palace compared to yours!! ok2
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Well, nent time yer up then, bring yer duster and polish, and i don't mean release agent, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
ya may as well earn ya keep, lol
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If Russ's workshops a palace then mine's heaven! Central heating, comfy chair, running water, microwave, Sky tv and most important a kettle....Dave. {-) {-) {-)
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well. i can't compete with that lads, lol.........i've hardly room to get in the door for all those models i keep having to put decks on for a mate, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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The last couple of nights have been dedicated to making the ammo boxes up and startting the bridge area..
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she's looking superb, Russ...really nice indeed :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks Neil, just a few problems with the sound system, Dave from Action as jumped in and asked me send it to him for a once over but apart from that everything going well.
Russ
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Must agree Russ, Looks great. glad the sound system is being sorted.
John
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Thanks John,
Sound system sorted thanks to Action, just waiting for the stanchions and decals from Cornwall Model Boats, waited nearly a fortnight now for the order >>:-(
In the meantime i have built the radar up and finsihed the detail on the stern....
Russ
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Just for info The Braves were fitted with Type 974 Radar with the Tx/Rx in a watertight? compartment supporting the Half Cheese Scanner
The whole system rotated at 24rpm and the power/signals were taken from the unit by a series of slip rings.
Ned
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Think I'd give CMB a call, they don't usually take long to deliver the goods. Thought a cheese scanner was something Wallace and Gromit would use? :)
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I rung them yesterday Dave, apparently they are clearing the Christmas backlog still, not to worry because they were delivered today! :-))
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Ned
Thanks for that picture, i had been scouring the net trying to get a close up to make the radar, i will crack on and make one a little nearer the mark..
Russ
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Russ, useful site for British radars is the RN museum of radar and communications - bit of a rigmorole negotiating the site
but can be well worth it - I will have to make a type 960 for my next build and it was the only place where I could get a
clear picture.
Geoff
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Are we going to see a cruiser Geoff?
I cant see you doing an early Cathedral
Ned
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Hi Ned - My first ship in March 1963 - HMS Leopard prior to the 965 being fitted.
Geoff
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I forgot the Cats had them
Feb 63 we brought Eskimo to Pompey for the first time after the long sea passage from Cowes
where I stood by her being built.
The Tribals had the AKE fitted from new but with a single lattice mast it looked like a toy wind up key
Ned
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Ned Feb 63, up at Mercury clearing the remains of the snow before going on draft April 63 in Las Palmas and
en-route to Simonstown took us 10 weeks to get there as we were flagshowing at every major (and some minor)
ports along the way. It was just 6 months of runs ashore until we had a bad collision with the SAS Pietermaritburg
and one of the lads was killed and we had to come back about 3 months early - when we did the repairs on the hull
she got the enclosed mast and 965 fitted. I left december and went up to the commcen at Fort Southwick.
Geoff
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Found these photos on ships nostalgia, thought they were interesting. Want to see her on the water, Dave. :-))
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/hmsbraveborderer.jpg)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/d68hmsbraveborderer.jpg)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/MTB1.jpg)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/MTB2.jpg)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/PICT00311.jpg)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/Mayhem/HMSBRAVEBORDERERANDB.jpg)
NB: Images copied to a different host server ( with less 'racy' images! ) - Admin
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Thanks matey, if the sun shines this weekend I should be in a position to bring her down...
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Not much done over the last few days, stanchions/railings finished though....
Russ
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Couple of pictures taken on Sunday, unfortunately my battery died before I could take any of her on the water. {:-{ I'll get her next time. Looking very good Russ, see you soon, Dave. :-)) :-))
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Thanks Dave, she is set up now and should stay on the water instead of taking off... :-))
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She is a mighty fine looking boat Russ, well done :-)) :-))
Andrew
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Some pictures of her on the water today, looking good Russ, Dave. :-))
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She produces a very realistic bow wave....... :-)) ....Derek
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Very nice boat & it was only running on 6 volts to.
Looking good Russ
(not you,the boat) {-) {-)
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6705 russell,
What an absolutely beautiful build of this model. I am currently starting to build the Perkasa 1/24 scale and this gives me something to aim for. Also your excellent photos answer many questions especially with powering the vessel. Thank you for your very informative and excellent postings.
Regards,
derfledermause.
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Really interested where you got the moulding from: I can't find a source of Brave class hull & superstructure, only the slightly different Perkasa variant.
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She looks sweet! The curl of the bow waves is ever so realistic, very clean wave form.
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Hull only;
http://www.mtbhulls.co.uk/the-hulls (http://www.mtbhulls.co.uk/the-hulls)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/25721684@N00/9556745142/in/set-72157632269542118 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25721684@N00/9556745142/in/set-72157632269542118)
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Hi Willrob,
I believe Kingston Mouldings still produce the Brave Class Model, top quality mouldings from here too.
http://www.kingstonmouldings.co.uk/pdhmsbrave.htm
I have details for the steering gear arrangement for the full size craft if anyone goes ahead and builds another model, and feels it would be of use, just send a PM.
Regards,
John
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Thanks guys. I've been 'lent' a completed but neglected Precedent 1/24 Perkasa (1250mm) and it got me thinking, could it be converted to a Brave class boat (patriotism & all that). Hence the enquiry about the superstructure / bridge moulding...
On reflection, I think it's more sensible and rational to simply put the Perkasa through a modest refit to get it shipshape again. Aside from the aesthetics, the running and electrical gear is fairly 'vintage'. The radio is 2 channel Acoms from - I reckon - about 1990 and there is interesting 'growth' on the servos and general rat's nest of bell wiring inside the hull. Think it is time to start again there.
There's a single shaft and I can't get any life out of the motor, which is wired to run from two 6V sealed lead acid batteries in series. The motor is about the diameter of a coke can (and about half the length) but other than that no distinguishing marks.
What replacement would be good for this hull? I'd like the boat to plane properly but not stand on it's transom & try to fly... Brushed or brushless? There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in price between a decent (850 size?) brushed motor plus ESC and a brushless motor / esc but I may be comparing apples and pears! What size brushless outrunner (Kv / watts) would you go for? Presumably don't want it to run at ridiculous RPM so low Kv is best? Batteries? I have a 4000 mAh 3s (11.1 volt) LiPo battery from my big motor glider. Would that be suitable?
I've read that a 50mm prop (3 bladed?) would be about the right size for this ship. Do you agree? Is a water cooled motor / ESC a good idea or an unnecessary complication? How & where does one install the water inlet; does the system operate by simple positive 'ram' effect through the water?
Sorry for all the questions & thanks in advance for any answers. All advice gratefully received!
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Hi russel, have you tried battlecrafts.co.uk for your 1/24 fittings
mike.
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This thread may be useful:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,47403.0.html
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Also try this site, they concentrate in 1/24 scale patrol boats mainly British.
http://www.hslmouldings.co.uk/