Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: Greggy1964 on May 25, 2010, 08:18:36 pm
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Just feast your eyes on this baby!
http://www.youtube.com/user/formerparatrooper#p/u/12/CRoFYd-6oTY
She is beautiful in my eyes and something to aspire to
http://www.youtube.com/user/formerparatrooper#p/u/6/D0yh8EwAn0I
Just look at how she tacks through the wind - awsome!
Showing some muscle for the ememy! :o
http://www.youtube.com/user/formerparatrooper#p/u/0/z0uqJWeUP48
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That is something to Behold. Absolutely first-class .This could easily be a movie shot ,Good Very Good .
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Excellent, but what is the American flag all about on an English ship of war???? <*< <*< <*< ok2 ok2
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Becuase she's been captured by the colonalists! :-))
If you visit Youtube and look at all this fellows videos he explains O0
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Captured or not she is superb.. :-)) :-))
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The Model is an American Kit based on a fibre glass hull
I have the completed model based on H.M.S Hebe,a French Frigate,captured in 1789 and copied by the Admiralty
because of its good seakeeping and speed
By the way H.M.S Surprise is a Fictional vessel but H.M.s Trincomalee is drydocked in the Stockton on Tees area
H.M.S Hebe regularly sails at the Norwich Model Boat club Pond
Regards Donuts
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Here's a link to the manufacturers.
Steel, Chapman & Hutchinson Ltd
http://www.modelsailingships.com/
:-)
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This frigate 8) packed quite a punch. :o ......................... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade.
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I'm no fan of these kinds of ships but what a superb video!
I'd like to know what camera he used and what kind of gimble to move it around like that!
Wonderful stuff. Even my wife and daughter were impressed by the canons and the figures!
Regards,
Vintagent
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I'm not into modern yachts as such but any period ship driven by sails floats my boat!
I know that they produce transport problems but bigger heavier vessels sail through the water in a much more realistic manner.
And yes I agree, this chaps filming skills are very impressive and add greatly to the realism of the subject :-))
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As if looking fantastic isn't enough ... she fires cannon as well. Brilliant!
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On the video, the cannon go BANG!! but on the test firing they go futt.
Discuss, please.
Vintagent
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DanL here (Lt Dan of the US Brig Syren). It was great fun sailing with Ray and the Surprise. The sound of the guns is dubbed in. I built the gun systems of both ships and there had to be a trade-off between smoke, flash and sound. Creating high barrel back-pressure with a tight wadding produced a loud bang, but smoke ouput is significantly lower. The higher backpressure is also less safe in these small thin-walled guns. For pictures and video purposes, a fairly large black powder charge is used with a loose foam rubber wad. The foam helps keep the charge dry. The loose wad and BP produce a big puff of smoke and great flash (night-time firing looks great) but little sound. Since sound can easily be dubbed in, that's the design direction taken for the guns.
More detail on the gun system construction here (a number of posts on the gun system construction...):
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1136541
Here's the latest vid of battle between Surprise and Syren:
http://www.youtube.com/user/formerparatrooper#p/u/0/bW4qV8I0duk
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Another brilliant video. Well done guys.. :-)) :-)) :-))
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I thought that might be the case and why not indeed for the effects on video? Marvelous stuff anf thanks for showing us. I found it difficult to stop watching! So, surprisingly did my wife, daughter and daughter-in-law! Now that IS a success!
regards,
Vintagent
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The Model is an American Kit based on a fibre glass hull
I have the completed model based on H.M.S Hebe,a French Frigate,captured in 1789 and copied by the Admiralty
because of its good seakeeping and speed
By the way H.M.S Surprise is a Fictional vessel but H.M.s Trincomalee is drydocked in the Stockton on Tees area
H.M.S Hebe regularly sails at the Norwich Model Boat club Pond
Regards Donuts
HMS Surprise was a real vessel. She was the french built L'Unite launched in 1794 and captured by the British in 1796 when she became HMS Surprise. She is most famous for the cutting out of the HMS Hermione.
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A splendid video with some nice cinemagraphic touches and the sound track well chosen. The humour in the credits, just the right touch, well done. The choice of big smoke or big bang is correct IMHO but Roger Wilkinson`s King George V manned model gets both. May be a matter of scale I suppose, his sound like a hand gun (revolver) going off and has a big flash and smoke. More videos please when the Americans whopp some more English ships ( under the Scot John Paul Jones) {-) %% :embarrassed:
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Our friend has put up another video of a battle between HMS Suprise and the American brig Syren.
Its a joy to watch :-))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4qV8I0duk
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Shipmates: I was invited to participate in your thread by a friend who noticed that the ship you were discussing was actually mine. It is a 1:24 scale model of HMS Surprise (Not a fictional ship at all) from a kit from SC&H in Palo Alto California. I am extremely pleased with this kit even though I have very limited experience with model ships.
I was asked to tell the thread a little about myself. I spent 6-1/2 years with the US Army Special Forces 11th Group and I made a number of parachute operations with some SAS and ASAS on several occasions. My wife and I have lived in UK, Australia, West Africa, Iran, and Austria back in the 70s. I have been retired from my job as an Architect's Field Representative (Inspector) for 26 years and I am still doing contract labor and consulting work part time along with building and sailing my square rigger. My wife and I are also activily involved in model railroading but in the summer months sailing takes priority. We live in south central Kentucky at present.
I am enjoying the several threads I participate in as well as making videos of Surprise on the high seas. This is my latest YouTube video of the gun fight between DanL USS Syren and HMS Surprise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4qV8I0duk
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Hi Guys,After consulting the Navy List I must correct an assumption I made earlier.
The marvellous video we are all discussing shows a Frigate named H.M.S Surprise,however the official H.M.S surprise
was indeed a captured French Corvette re rigged in Bermuda to a Frigate sail plan,this was done in order to give greater speed
and effectivly close the range to the enemy .Surprise was armed with short range Carronades by the Admiralty after capture
and although hampered in some respects by this type of armament ,H.M.S Surprise 6th Rate went on to have an eventfull career
Gun deck armament 24 x 32 pounder carronades
Quarter deck armament 8 x 32 pounder carronades
Forecastle armament 4 x long 6 pounder
length of gun deck 126 ft
burthen 579 tons
complement 198
rating 6th rate ( post ship)
for rating purposes the Admiralty counted only carriage guns and not swivel or carronades
Hope this clarifies my earlier post
Admiral Donuts
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Admiral Donuts--I really appreciate you adjusting your course. Yes, HMS Surprise was a real ship. I have several really good books about her including Goeff Hunt's book of paintings for the O'Brian books which of course were fictional.
The best part of all this is, I have managed to sail her in places that cannot be identified as the sea but I have done some deep water lake sailing. I put her in on Lake Superior near Sault Sainte Marie MI a year ago on our way back from a trip to Minnesota. We are planning another trip to MN later this year and I hope to engage that elusive brig Syren again. Lt. Dan is a wiley captain and he has managed to escape several times. We mean to board and take her as a prize.
Captain Raymbo
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A splendid video with some nice cinemagraphic touches and the sound track well chosen. The humour in the credits, just the right touch, well done. The choice of big smoke or big bang is correct IMHO but Roger Wilkinson`s King George V manned model gets both. May be a matter of scale I suppose, his sound like a hand gun (revolver) going off and has a big flash and smoke. More videos please when the Americans whopp some more English ships ( under the Scot John Paul Jones) {-) %% :embarrassed:
John Paul Jones was a French Welshman, hence Jean Paul Jones. His real name before being Americanised.
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A splendid video with some nice cinemagraphic touches and the sound track well chosen. The humour in the credits, just the right touch, well done. The choice of big smoke or big bang is correct IMHO but Roger Wilkinson`s King George V manned model gets both. May be a matter of scale I suppose, his sound like a hand gun (revolver) going off and has a big flash and smoke. More videos please when the Americans whopp some more English ships ( under the Scot John Paul Jones) {-) %% :embarrassed:
He was a French Welshman, real name Jean-Paul Jones. He was a French Privateer ( Pirate) who fought for the Americans because there were better Plunder chances with them.But that is boring History and doesn't fit the Picture of the War of Independence ( which was won by the French Navy and Army), hence the change of name and suchlike.
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Captain Raymbo,Sir,thanks for accepting course adjustment and clarification of intentions.
I hope your next meeting with Lt Dan with prove profitable particularly if you attack with the weather guage in your favour
Brigs are nimble things to outsail but a few raking shots into her counter should render Lt Dans sword into your hands
Regards Donuts
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If I Were Commander Dan and knew Suprise was was looking for me I think I would re-arm with long 9's and or long 12 pounders if her scantings will take it, and Suprise the Surprise by standing off and using my long guns to make a Sloop {:-{ or even if I was very lucky a Dum Barge O0 out of her, but for sure there is no-way I would close to half a pistol shot with that weight of broardside waiting for me in any thing less than a 38 or a 44 or better still a 64 gun Liner :-))
Freebooter
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(http://s1.postimage.org/ukG9A.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxukG9A)
(http://s1.postimage.org/ult2r.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxult2r)
Armed with long guns and plenty of Chain, Grape and Star Shot
Freebooter
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He was a French Welshman, real name Jean-Paul Jones. He was a French Privateer ( Pirate) who fought for the Americans because there were better Plunder chances with them.But that is boring History and doesn't fit the Picture of the War of Independence ( which was won by the French Navy and Army), hence the change of name and suchlike.
sorry Nordsee your way out there JPJ was Scottish
John Paul Jones (1747–1792), American Revolutionary War naval hero, often called the “Father of the American Navy,” was born in Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright county, Scotland, on July 6, 1747.
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Correct Meyer, you just beat me to it. :-)) JOHN Paul Jones also had a hand in re-forming the Russian navy. A good potted biography here http://www.jpj.demon.co.uk/jpjlife.htm
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Actually, almost everyone in the early American Navy were from somewhere else. John Paul Jones was one of a multitude who reckoned that represntation was needed for any taxation--and shipmates--we need another revolution here now.
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Be assured PT that Her Brittanic Majesty's naval reserves 8) will be mobilised to assist the Federal government of our ex colony. <*<
http://www.hms-trincomalee.co.uk/
At this moment a hand picked RN crew are intensively training and studying the collected novels of 'Alexander Kent' at a secret bunker location in Balsover. %)
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At this moment a hand picked RN crew are intensively training and studying the collected novels of 'Alexander Kent' at a secret bunker location in Balsover. %)
Then we're all doomed - Bolitho is a macaroni twit.
Couldn't you chaps have used Hornblower (written by someone that actually served at sea).
Jerry Todd
My Projects (http://todd.mainecav.org/model)
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I think if I remember correctly, Bolitho is a Cornishman and the writer Douglas Reeman has a fair bit of seatime in on destroyers and MTB/MGBs during the war.
C S Forester according to his Biog that during WW2 Forester moved to the United States where he wrote propaganda to encourage that country to join the Allies, no mention of any sea time at all :o :o
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Spot on Meyer
Forester wrote some Superb Yarns D Reeman (A Kent) still Sails his own boat and it is one of his Boasts that if, in one of his books he says there is a Reef there or a Fresh water spring or stream its there because he's seen it and or tasted the water.
I have had on two or three orcastions had a chance to test this out and well remember one time the chief mate payed up with a very nice bottle of first class Malt when we found a small fresh water spring that wasn't marked on any chart or in any pilot book
Freebooter
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Wow, is this an R/C modeling and sailing thread or a cobwebs of trivial history thread? Oh, no, I get it - it's a PIRATE thread and we be hijacked!
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Wow, is this an R/C modeling and sailing thread or a cobwebs of trivial history thread? Oh, no, I get it - it's a PIRATE thread and we be hijacked!
You may be right. We are striking the Union Jack and hoisting the Stars and Stripes and joining your fleet.
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Here's your flagship 8) in Charlestown Boston. (USN current list - fully crewed and operational) She never lost a battle. ;)
She's the oldest fully commissioned naval ship in the world. :o
http://www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/
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Here's your flagship 8) in Charlestown Boston. (USN current list - fully crewed and operational) She never lost a battle. ;)
She's the oldest fully commissioned naval ship in the world. :o
http://www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/
Aye--and Jerry Todd is building a scale model of this very ship. Once he has that ready I want to try to get over east and sail with him. We will have our own TALL SHIPS reunion.
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Here's your flagship 8) in Charlestown Boston. (USN current list - fully crewed and operational) She never lost a battle. ;)
She's the oldest fully commissioned naval ship in the world. :o
http://www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/
i am sorry, but HMS Victory is the oldest commissioned ship in the world. Her keel being laid down in 1759.....She remains a flag ship today..
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Maybe that should read " oldest commissioned ship AFLOAT " (Constitution) {:-{
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Aye--and Jerry Todd is building a scale model of this very ship. Once he has that ready I want to try to get over east and sail with him. We will have our own TALL SHIPS reunion.
Actually, I'm doing the 1854 sloop-of-war Constellation in 1:36th.
(http://todd.mainecav.org/model/constellation/pics/constellation3.jpg)
On the drawing board in 1:35th is the H.M.S. Macedonian
(http://todd.mainecav.org/model/macedonian/pics/macedonian_sm.gif)
Both models will compare very closely in size to the 1:24th scale Surprise.
The third boat on the board is the Baltimore Clipper Schooner Pride of Baltimore in 1:24th.
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%) Our beloved Victory.................. a Frigate ;D :}
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Actually, I'm doing the 1854 sloop-of-war Constellation in 1:36th.
Jerry, my apolgies, I got this wrong.
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%) Our beloved Victory.................. a Frigate ;D :}
HMS Victory, a first rate ship of the line--a FRIGATE? I may not understand rigging after all.
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Don't forget your own Brian Clark's 1:24th brig Killingworth (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Modellers/Brian/1ndex.htm) right here on Model Boat Mayhem!
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Modellers/Brian/images/THIRTEEN.jpg)
Has anyone heard from Brian lately?
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i am sorry, but HMS Victory is the oldest commissioned ship in the world. Her keel being laid down in 1759.....She remains a flag ship today..
I really have to smile--after reading a very well done history of Victory, I found that she contains about 20% of the original materials she was built with. It reminds me of a story my dad told me when I was quite young. He had a hammer that he told me belonged to his dad, it was all original, except that the handle had been replaced four time, his dad had replaced the head once, and he had installed a new head on it back in the 20s. Ah yes, restorations are indeed wonderful.
The Constitution however has much more of her original materials intact, she is still afloat and she is turned twice a year because of the effects of the sun. We Americans love our antiques as well even if much of it came from England when we shifted out.
Tis a great day for models--they do not cost nearly as much to maintain as one of the real ones.
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very impressive, I'm trying to aspire to uphold the colonial tradition of modelling excellence with my effort at a 1:40 Surprise.
It’s maiden voyage was not as accomplished as I would have wished
Tugwilson
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise002-2.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise003-1.jpg)
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HMS Victory, a first rate ship of the line--a FRIGATE? I may not understand rigging after all.
I think that was meant as a little joke!!! >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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Gents, you're all gonna kick me for deviating from such a fine thread, but....
Take a butcher's at Jerry Todd's homepages. Click the WWW icon just beneath his avatar, then click "My Site", followed by "Damn Yankee Workshop". When you arrive, click "Civil War Field Desk".
Or maybe easier, just click here...
http://todd.mainecav.org/dyws/fielddesk.html
Look at those gorgeous dovetails.
Now is that nice, or is that nice?
Okay, okay - I'm done.
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I think that was meant as a little joke!!! >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
I appreciate this, I really did not know whether the Victory would be referred to as a frigate. I am relatively new to this hobby and the only reference I have seen is that frigates were the cruiser of the day, while the larger 1st & 2nd rates were considered battle ships but not called that of course. I think my model of Surprise would be considered a 5th rate because it is really smaller than Diana which was called a frigate as well. Thanks for the response, I am still learning.
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very impressive, I'm trying to aspire to uphold the colonial tradition of modelling excellence with my effort at a 1:40 Surprise.
It’s maiden voyage was not as accomplished as I would have wished
Tugwilson
Tug--do you have any photos of your ship on the water? I realize it is somewhat smaller than mine but I would enjoy seeing how a smaller vessel looks on the water.
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Hi Paratrooper.
think this is the link to my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra7inbeMKX0
let me know what you think.
Tug
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Hi Paratrooper.
think this is the link to my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra7inbeMKX0
let me know what you think.
Tug
Tug, I posted a comment on You Tube. I think this is great for a shake down cruise. The wind lines might be a hassle because of the trees and land, but over all I think this is great!
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from the head man tall ships that is i take your comment very kindly.
The lake is on the New Forest where I live and is well known for it's changeable indifferent winds.
Once i get to where i know I can trust both the electronics and the Weatherly ness of her I'll try the Solent. which happens to be it's original sailing ground.
They use to lay up in the Solent by the Isle-of-White commonly called "The White" which you will read in many of the books.
My next task is going to be to get three of her cannons to fire live and I’m looking at the options that are on this forum and others
pity were so far apart, would love to visit and maybe sail together. but not sure it could make it over to yours that pond is rather longer than my batteries would last....lol
regards Tug
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Hi PT, The frigates were 'the eyes of the fleet'. Their role can be compared with that of destroyers in the WW2 period, although carronades could give them huge firepower in 'close action'. I enjoyed a couple of weeks around Boston and enjoyed a marvellous day in the Charlestown Museum. (I'm not surprised that the Constitution shares this site with a preserved WW2 Fletcher class Destroyer.) Fantastic exhibits, especially the dry dock. :-))
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Hi PT, The frigates were 'the eyes of the fleet'. Their role can be compared with that of destroyers in the WW2 period, although carronades could give them huge firepower in 'close action'. I enjoyed a couple of weeks around Boston and enjoyed a marvellous day in the Charlestown Museum. (I'm not surprised that the Constitution shares this site with a preserved WW2 Fletcher class Destroyer.) Fantastic exhibits, especially the dry dock. :-))
Yes sire, I spent some leave there when I was at Ft. Devons for a spell. I made several parachute operations there with some of the SAS as well as the ASAS--great soldiers. I was very intregued with the exhibits at Charlestown as well. One book I have speaks of the larger frigates as cruisers while those of the class of Surprise were indeed eyes of the fleet. I suspect the different classes were no doubt meant for specific actions but like all navies they were used out of role at times. I would have guessed without knowing that the brigs would fill the role similar to a destroyer--depending on their size of course.
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Tugwilson - do you have a build log or a site? I wanna see more!
The plans for Macedonian came in 1:48, and I was, and still am, tempted to do her in that scale instead of 1:35.
At 1:36, Constellation is
- Beam: 14-1/4" (36.195 cm)
- Length over the rig: 96" (243.84 cm)
- Width over the rig: 36" (91.44 cm) ~ Main yard, stuns'l will increase width if used.
- Length on deck: 61" (154.94 cm)
- Length between perpendiculars: 59-1/8" (150.178 cm)
- Draft Without ballast keel): 7" (17.78 cm) With 3-1/2" ballast keel: 10-1/2" (27.94 cm)
- Height bottom of keel to main truck Without ballast keel): 65" (165.1 cm) With ballast keel): 69" (175.26 cm)
- Sail Area: 2,807.01 square inches in 17 sails (19.5 sf, 18,109.7 scm, 1.8 sqm)
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your past the hull stage so heres the rigging ect.,
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Supriseconstruction007.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Supriseconstruction008.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Supriseconstruction009.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Supriseconstruction010.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise006.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise005.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise004.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/Suprise002-2.jpg)
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Tug, do you have some sort of motor attachement for your model? I watched the video again and I thought I could see some action at the rudder in several areas.
The rigging on your ship is very nicely done. Finding figures in 1:48 seems a whole lot easier than finding some more suitable figures in 1:24 scale. Are you using winch servos to operate the braces?
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Yeah Tug, we're all builders here, we wanna see the guts - show us the greasy, grindy bits! ;)
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the guts of the model has 4 winches, 2 pumps and one single operated servo.
Winches 1 & 2 run reefing of sails and jib.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/PICT0042.jpg)
winch 3 is for raising and lowering the main ancher.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/PICT0040.jpg)
winch 4 is sail movement port and starboard.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/PICT0041.jpg)
to assist in steering there is one pump with two outlets at the stern which pumps water past the rudder when it is moved either side. This is to assist in turning.
Finally my get out of trouble card is a small motor attached to the extension keel with a deflector shield to once again assist in direction.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/PICT0039.jpg)
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c106/Tugwilson/HMS%20Surprise/PICT0043.jpg)
the final pump has a flout attached in the bilge to remove any water that enters.
The system runs on 40.875 MHz 6 channel Tx, Rx with Action Electronics to control everything.
Tug
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Captain Tug--this is intreguing and most ingenious. Good on ya mate!
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Shhipmates--in case any of you are interested, this Surprise kit is on eBay and it is priced very nicely if someone wants to tackle the ship.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130405598984&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
RG
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Hi Para, puts the value of ours into perspective. I'm in UK but even with curency conversion thats still a lot of money.
looks like your going to have an addition to the fleet over there soon......well some time next year...or the year after that.
I wish him luck who ever it is that purchases this one.
best wishes to our cousins over the pond
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Nice looking model.... As a Historical note ... British Frigates almost never set a sail on the Crojack (Mizzen) yard It tends to interfere with the Driver which is an important maneuvering sail. However the French, Spanish, Danish and occ. Americans did set a Mizzen Course... But in the Americans case at least this was only set as a passage sail on long hauls and was not usualy part if the working sail bag
:-))
Freebooter
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The only one I saw in this thread with a sail there was a brig (Killingworth) A main course, in fact makes it a brig and not a brigantine - it's not a cross-jack.
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Jerry
A Brigantine is Square rigged on the Fore-mast and Fore & Aft rigged on the main-mast.. {:-{.A Brig is Square rigged on both the main & the fore mast, However the main sail on a brig is a large Gaff sail set on the lower after side of the main mast.... The lower yard on the mainmast of a Royal Naval Brig (and most Merchant Navy Brigs)Was known as the crojack yard and almost never had a sail set on it Because it interfired with the setting of the Gaff main sail ( Which on a brig is by far the largest sail on the vessel {:-{ unlike the Driver (Gaff mizzen)on a ship rigged Frigate which was mainly a manovering sail and was smaller than the main course
Freebooter
Jimmy James.. Master "Sail"
:-))
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I am terribly sorry, but you are mistaken sir. In the "Napoleonic period" A true brig has a square main course and a fore-n-aft spanker. Take off the course and it was considered a brigantine. What we refer to today as a brigantine was then known as a hermaphrodite (or jack-"a$$") brig - a combination of brig and schooner. Only ships have cross-jacks.
By 1810 and later, most brigs of war were actually rigged as Snows with a snow mast right aft of the main with the driver set on it. As it allowed the gaff driver to be hooped without requiring the main mast to be smooth. Thus freed, the main could made in pieces and not requiring a single tree.
Today we often use the term "brig" as a catch-all for brigs, snows, brigantines, and hermaphrodite brigs. Hermaphrodite brigs are now known as brigantines cause hermaphrodite is a pain in the jack-a$$ brig to write and say..
Here's the recreated BRIG Niagara which is technically, a snow.
(http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/IMAGES/Pennsylvania/us-brig-niagara-sailing.jpg) (http://www.sia-web.org/tours/youngstown/falltour/niagara.jpg)
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having read the last two entries, I shall now go and lay in a darkend room for an hour or two. ... {-)
as my head hurts. O0
but well done to you both, it's nice that we can have these discusions without bloodshead. or am i being too presumptuous
Tug
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Are the cannons loaded %) {-)
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I guess this would be the MAYHEM part.
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Several Surprises (well...2 Surprises, 3 Surprizes)
Good link on
http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/liste.php?char=S#2145
for anybody looking for RN wooden walls history 1750-1850. Some of the ship storys make both Hornblower and Bolitho sound a bit commonplace. There was some tough guys back then.
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well done Malcolme, you quite right and the one we most hear of it my type Ex- L'unite info as listed :
SURPRISE (24) The French L'UNITE taken by Capt. T.F. FREEMANTLE in INCONSTANT in the Mediterranean on 20 April 1796.
Sold in 1802.
•Capt. Edward HAMILTON, 12/1797, Jamaica.
•On 4 October 1799 the French schooner NANCY was captured near Cape de la Vela. She was bound for Curacao with coffee from Aux Cayes.
The Dutch privateer schooner LAME DUCK of 10 guns was cut out from the harbour of Aruba on 15 October, Mr John BUSEY, acting lieutenant, was killed.
A Spanish schooner, MANUEL, was destroyed near Porto Cavallo on the 20th.
•On 25 October Capt. HAMILTON attacked and cut out from Porto Cavallo the HERMIONE (32) which had been handed over to the Spanish by her mutinous crew at La Guira on 22 September 1797.
•In spite of 200 pieces of cannon mounted in the batteries around the harbour, her boats, with 100 men including officers led by Capt. HAMILTON, attacked the HERMIONE at half past twelve in the morning, after beating off HERMIONE's launch, which carried a 24-pounder and twenty men, which was rowing guard around the frigate.
•The forecastle was taken by half the force without much resistance but on the quarter-deck and the main deck there was dreadful carnage before the enemy retreated to the 'tween decks where the fighting continued until the enemy's ammunition was exhausted.
In the meantime the rest of the men were cutting cables, making sail and towing the ship out of range of gun-shot from the shore to bring her alongside SURPRISE.
•Her captain, Don Romon de Chalas, said that she had been thoroughly repaired and was ready for sea with a ship's company of 321 officers and sailors, 56 soldiers and 15 artillery men. She mounted 44 guns.
•119 of the Spanish crew were killed and 228 prisoners, including 97 wounded, were landed at Porto Cavallo.
•Twelve people were wounded on SURPRISE including the captain.
The gunner, Mr John MAXWELL; quarter-master John Lewis MATHEWS; quarter gunner Arthur REED and Henry MILNE of the carpenter's crew were dangerously wounded, the rest only slightly.
Mr John M'MULLEN the surgeon volunteered to take part in the attack.
•Capt. HAMILTON brought his prize into Port Royal harbour at Jamaica on 1 November.
•The Receiver-General at Spanish Town, Jamaica, was ordered by the Assembly there to forward to the captain's agent the sum of three hundred guineas for the purchase of a sword in recognition.
•On 6 March 1800 the Court of Common Council at the Guildhall, London, resolved that Capt. HAMILTON should be presented with the freedom of the city with a gold box valued at fifty guineas.
•(Two of the mutineers were tried by court martial on 31 July. See HERMIONE.)
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Ah!! Jerry
The American Love affair with the Snow, Quit a number were built as Privateer's and also Trading vessels (and some were used as trading vessels {NE Coast Coal colliers}but it wasn't all that popular in Britain)
I am not aware of any US Naval Snows but many small US war ships were built in obscure places and that isn't really my major interest
The Royal Navy Having Picked up quite a few Snows as prizes evaluated the rig and found it nothing special,,,l thought several of the prizes were purchased as stores ships and transports but not war ships
I think we can agree to differ on some of the rigs as British rigs US rigs and European Rigs differ on the same class of vessel and many naming mystakes are common
Jimmy
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Still plucking away