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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: AndrewB on July 16, 2010, 11:24:25 am
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Well I have the ply and have made a start with the ribs :-) these are made out of 3mm marine ply
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I am waiting for the builder who has been renting our garage to move on so I can set up, I have been working in the lounge at the moment, not ideal.
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I have been doing a bit of work as i have the time, sanding, cutting. So this is the boat with the ribs just sitting on the building runners.
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Andrewb..... which pt boat are you building.??
pat
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Andrewb..... which pt boat are you building.??
pat
Hi Pat
Free drawings were from http://www.pt-boat.com/ Quite good. It is a 1:20 of the Elco 80'
Cheers
Andrew
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Hello all
Well I have just put my order in with Dave at ACTion Electronics, this is what Dave suggested and is what i have ordered http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/HMS%20Brave%20Borderer%20MTB%20-%20Nick%20Panter.pdf
I cant wait for it to turn up.
Thanks to Dave, a great help ;)
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Hi all
I have just received my controller bits from ACTion electronics, great service and the product looks well made.
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Ok the latest on my wee project, I have the sanded the frames set up and glued onto the build runners, It is looking quite good, I am please so far.
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Ok the weather has been rubbish here in Wellington, have a look at my weather site www.brooklynweather.co.nz
Not that I need an excuse to work on the boat, I took the opportunity, I made up and fitted the outer keels for the outer prop shafts
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Hi mate, looking good so far. How big is this beasty going to be once it's finished? As for the weather in Windy Wellington, well landing there in a plane is an experience in itself! The wife and i will be driving through there in January.
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Hi mate, looking good so far. How big is this beasty going to be once it's finished? As for the weather in Windy Wellington, well landing there in a plane is an experience in itself! The wife and i will be driving through there in January.
Hi Jonny
the beasty is 1200 mm long, as for flying in to Wellington in a decent southerly, its a experience not to be missed ;)
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Hi All
Well it's been a bit quiet on the PT front, just a bit of sanding at nights. But I had some bit turn up from J R Haynes yesterday that I have made up, pretty good stuff too.
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Hi Andrewb,
Your second photo showing the 20mm Oerlikon appears to be mounted incorrectly.
The barrel mounting should be the other way around.
Not being smart just trying to help.I have a 80ft and 77 ft Elco at 1/24 scale.
I have used the J/Haynres armament on my 80ft Elco.
Gra
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Hi Andrewb,
Your second photo showing the 20mm Oerlikon appears to be mounted incorrectly.
The barrel mounting should be the other way around.
Not being smart just trying to help.I have a 80ft and 77 ft Elco at 1/24 scale.
I have used the J/Haynres armament on my 80ft Elco.
Gra
Good spotting, Thanks for that
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Well I have started the hull planking, I am finding it quite relaxing :D
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Looking really good mate. The planking looks really neat and tidy!
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Hi there ~Andrew B ~ nice looking build and I like the way you have assembled the frames on the building board.
I have a couple of queries - I wonder why you havent added intermediate stringers on the bottom and the side? Because, adding these helps you get the correct flare at the bow on the bottom and on the sides.
Also, why have you planked one side first completely? Because normally, planking one side at a time like this you may distort the hull sometimes.
So put a straight edge along your keel just to check.
As the glue dries out which is securing the planks, it tends to shrink and the plank tends to move and this can cause some distortion.
Lastly, are you going to double diagonal plank your hull?
Looking really good.
aye
john e
bluebird
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G'Day Andrew,
A great looking hull and good planking job to boot. I also concur with Bluebird re intermediate stringers - I built a 6 foot Brave class hull and later wished I added more stringers as this would have aided in obtaining the correct profile a lot, lot easier. O0
But having said that, it's great to see another plank on frame hull on this side of the globe and yes, planking is fun :-))
Martin doon under
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G'Day Andrew,
A great looking hull and good planking job to boot. I also concur with Bluebird re intermediate stringers - I built a 6 foot Brave class hull and later wished I added more stringers as this would have aided in obtaining the correct profile a lot, lot easier. O0
But having said that, it's great to see another plank on frame hull on this side of the globe and yes, planking is fun :-))
Martin doon under
Hi Martin and Bluebird
Thanks for that guys
The stringers a bit embarrassing, as I have the wood to put them in, but I got a wee bit ahead of myself and forgot :embarrassed:
Anyway, I'm quite please with the out come so far, I was i bit worried when Bluebird mentioned the hull distorting, but I seem to have got away with it :-))
in saying that I have used Wurth Cyano (I get it cheep as I am a rep for them) on the first layer, the second layer will be a good quality wood glue. Any suggestions would be great..
Thanks for looking
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Ok, all the first layer of planking has been completed, onto the second layer now, the stunning thing is , I still am finding it relaxing ;)
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Very nice! Beautiful planking work. I will be following your building thread...........................................Larry G.
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Well planking is done!
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..... %% Andrew says..... "Well planking is done!"
A bit difficult to get our KIWI cousins to get their story straight.....as my take on this is ........the planking has been VERY well done :-))
Woking with real wood is such a rewarding process...... :} ....Derek
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..... %% Andrew says..... "Well planking is done!"
A bit difficult to get our KIWI cousins to get their story straight.....as my take on this is ........the planking has been VERY well done :-))
Woking with real wood is such a rewarding process...... :} ....Derek
Cheers for the correction Derek :-)
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:o Andrew....is "woking" a KIWI word or did I make it up? {-) {-) %) sorry...... %%
Please post many snaps as your project progresses....Mayhem members love to see the build O0 ,,,,,,,,,, Derek
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:o Andrew....is "woking" a KIWI word or did I make it up? {-) {-) %) sorry...... %%
Please post many snaps as your project progresses....Mayhem members love to see the build O0 ,,,,,,,,,, Derek
I didn't even see that. I just can't spell
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very neat build.
Peter
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Hi All
I have filled and sanded the low spots and put on the first of three thin coats of epoxy resin.
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Super job on the planking.....looks perfect!!!! Keep those posts coming.
Larry G.
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very neat build.
I agree, an excellent job :-)). Keep the photos coming.
Peter.
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Thanks Peter, appreciate your comments
Larry G.
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I agree, an excellent job :-)). Keep the photos coming.
Peter.
Thanks Peter, Plenty of work to do , so plenty of photos to come :-))
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Three days off work, the day started wonderful, lots of sun :D
So out with the hull, bucket of warm soapy water, some 320 grit wet and dry, and got sanding ready for the next coat of epoxy.
Guess what the wind has turned to the good old southerly (cold) the temp has dropped 5 deg in 30 mins, so no epoxy today >>:-(
Any who have a look at the pics
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Hi All
Well it has been a good couple of days, Hull has been epoxied, wet sanded and primed.
I have even removed it from the build board, so my first look at the inside of the hull, I must say I am quite chuffed :D
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And so you should be, she looks superb.
Bob
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Hello Mayhemers
Well I have started fitting up some of the controller bits and bobs, while I wait for the prop shafts and the rest of the drive train from the UK.
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Hay all
I am now looking at making a start of the cabin/engine cover area, however I don't have much in the way of detailed drawings. who has reasonable drawings available with measurements.
Any ideas?
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Being an Aussie, I do know what a dingbat means...usually, but did you know it also means "an ornament, character or spacer used in typesetting, sometimes more formally known as a "printer's ornament" or "printer's character".? I certainly didn't.
This has nothing to do with AndrewB's superb diagonal planking, however.
Derek, perhaps I'm also a dingbat, as I'm currently building a freelance pusher tug of my own design for 3 of my grandsons and, while the hull is almost finished, I haven't decided on the superstructure either. I'm just making it up as I go along O0
Peter.
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Peter,
Isn't Lennox north of Derek AKA Woolloongonggggggggggggggggggggg %)
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Thanks for the saving grace Peter :embarrassed: :embarrassed: ...naturally the version of my utterance was .... the spaced out an ornamental character ./..type ...Derek {-)
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Fair suck of the sav, my topic has gone off like a bucket of pawns in the sun %% {-)
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Andrew,
Ignore them %) %) Keep at it :-)) :-)) awesome build. O0 O0
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Guys....I have sent a PM to moderator Peter Fitness requesting thread postings #37 to #44 inclusive be deleted........& an apology PM to Andrew :embarrassed: ....
Andrew...I had previously offered praise for your excellent build to date....was just sort of shocked when you acknowledged no plans for upstairs......... O0 .....Derek
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Its a giggle, I need a laff after a hard day at office
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Posts removed as per Derek's request, although I'm sure no one was offended by them....were they??
Peter Fitness
Moderator
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Posts removed as per Derek's request, although I'm sure no one was offended by them....were they??
Peter Fitness
Moderator
Peter,
Not I, but as it is Andrew's build/thread will abide with his call.
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Not me, I'm a Kiwi :-))
But I still need some superstructure drawings <:(
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Hi AndrewB, This link may help with a plan to build either a late war version (plan CF12) or the earlier layout (plan CF4) with launch tubes for the torpedoes. The plans are drawn in 1:32 scale:
http://www.coastalforcesplans.com/id1.html
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Nice Build
if you can get hold of Wooden Boat Magazine issue 129 (March/April 1996) there are several drawings there of superstructure layouts.
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Hello Mayhemers
Just a small update
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Hi All
I am having a real problem with the superstructure build, the ply I have seems to want to warp too much, I am using 1.5mm ply I think I will try the 3mm I have, What do you guys think?
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Andrew...is easy for me to say ;D.........but if the 1.5 mm ply is warping....we could question that it may not being supported adequately
Post a few .jpgs.....& am sure a professional model boat builder here @ Mayhem will help with your question.........Derek :-))
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Hi,
Might be a bit late for you but there are a series of drawings online here
http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm4/index_HIC.php?CISOROOT=%2FHIC
“Higgins Motor Torpedo Boat Diagram collection”
Regards
Danny
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Hi all it's been a while. all go here in NZ
So this is what I have been doing
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The Radar mast at the moment
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Slow progress at the moment :((
I am waiting for my shafts, motors, props, shaft couplings and rudders from Westbourne Models, They will not reply to my e-mails and I want to know if they have gone and if so how so I can at least track it. Very frustrating, I spent a lot of money and I have nothing to show for it yet!! >>:-(
Enough of the rant
Andrew
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Andrew,
Can relate, it is very frustrating when that happens it really is bad customer service. <:( <:( <:(
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Sometimes companies shut down for a short period to take a yearly inventory, frustrating is'nt it.................................................Larry G.
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Well I have had a reply from Westbourne today, So feeling a bit better :-)
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Regarding the ply warping try some simple bracing.
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Courtesy of MacDonalds and their wonderful coffee stirrers :-))
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What about Float A Boat in Melbourne for your parts.
They handle everything for model boating.Have a look at website.
Just trying to help.Have purchased from Westbourne myself in the past with mixed results.
Gra
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Regarding the ply warping try some simple bracing.
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Courtesy of MacDonalds and their wonderful coffee stirrers :-))
Thanks Bugsy, Our Mcdees has plastic coffee stirrers, good old green New Zealand
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What about Float A Boat in Melbourne for your parts.
They handle everything for model boating.Have a look at website.
Just trying to help.Have purchased from Westbourne myself in the past with mixed results.
Gra
Thanks for that Gra, Ill have a look for the next build :-))
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I can recommend Float a Boat unreservedly. They are an excellent company with a good range of model boat related products, and Adrian and Rhonda Brewer will go out of their way to help you O0
Their web site is here http://www.floataboat.com.au/history.htm (http://www.floataboat.com.au/history.htm)
Peter.
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I can confirm that.
They even come and watch us playing model boats.
They have lots of items that are not on the website as well, so ask them.
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Thanks Peter and Brian :-)
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Hello all I hope I find you well O0
Well I have made a wee bit of progress
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Shaft support brackets have been started.
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The latest installment, the center prop and rudder don't line up, will it affect the performance? I would rather not redo the rudder if I can avoid it. What do you guys think {:-{
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Andrew......when we review the snaps from Reply #66 on: November 30, 2010, 07:28:18 AM » as below....the alignment between the three prop shafts & rudders appears OK.......
So what happened?....did the center prop shaft axis move? prior to epoxy bonding?
1. we as model builders are our own best & our own worst critics
2. 95% of people viewing you vessel would not notice the glitch
3. 5% may question the alignment
4. you could prepare a document available to all... to state that the second counter rotation propellor direction requires a 5.232' degree rudder offest to compensate for the second propellor..... :o %) {-)
5. you could realign the center prop shaft & rudder <:( :-X
Derek ;)
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:-)) Thanks for that Derek.
Andrew......when we review the snaps from Reply #66 on: November 30, 2010, 07:28:18 AM » as below....the alignment between the three prop shafts & rudders appears OK.......
So what happened?....did the center prop shaft axis move? prior to epoxy bonding?
1. we as model builders are our own best & our own worst critics
2. 95% of people viewing you vessel would not notice the glitch
3. 5% may question the alignment
4. you could prepare a document available to all... to state that the second counter rotation propellor direction requires a 5.232' degree rudder offest to compensate for the second propellor..... :o %) {-)
5. you could realign the center prop shaft & rudder <:( :-X
Derek ;)
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Ok
The boat got its props wet today, is it running a bit wet? IWhat do you experts ;) think? I think I need to do some sorting out.
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Hi Andrew, how many batt. packs are you using in boat.I use a pack for each motor in my 1/24 Elco and it does get up and plane quite well.
You also need to place the batts so the boat sits right in the water.
My boat runs slow on centre motor and when i push throttle hard forward a relay kicks in flank motors for high speed .
A mate of mine has run a 1/20 scale Elco like yours using speed 600 motors on 8.4 volts for each motor with the relay system above with great success.But the boat needs to be well balanced.
After looking at your video i feel you need more speed and better balance.
Gra
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Hi Andrew, how many batt. packs are you using in boat.I use a pack for each motor in my 1/24 Elco and it does get up and plane quite well.
You also need to place the batts so the boat sits right in the water.
My boat runs slow on centre motor and when i push throttle hard forward a relay kicks in flank motors for high speed .
A mate of mine has run a 1/20 scale Elco like yours using speed 600 motors on 8.4 volts for each motor with the relay system above with great success.But the boat needs to be well balanced.
After looking at your video i feel you need more speed and better balance.
Gra
Hi Gra
I am only running 1 8.4 volt battery split between the 3 Speed 600 motors. Ill have a play around over the next while, as I do have a bit of work on the cabin and deck
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Hay Gra
What props was your mate running with his 1:20th Elco?
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Andrew
My mate no longer has his Elco but his recollection is that he used 35mm 3 blade props.
Hope this helps.
Gra
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Thanks Gra, that is what I am running
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Andrew......when we review the snaps from Reply #66 on: November 30, 2010, 07:28:18 AM » as below....the alignment between the three prop shafts & rudders appears OK.......
So what happened?....did the center prop shaft axis move? prior to epoxy bonding?
1. we as model builders are our own best & our own worst critics
2. 95% of people viewing you vessel would not notice the glitch
3. 5% may question the alignment
4. you could prepare a document available to all... to state that the second counter rotation propellor direction requires a 5.232' degree rudder offest to compensate for the second propellor..... :o %) {-)
5. you could realign the center prop shaft & rudder <:( :-X
Derek ;)
Come on Derek, the problem is that the centre rudder isn't quite vertical. Not a lot out, just a bit.
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Hello all you boat builders
Well I have been pottering about, on the cabin and the start of the mufflers
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Aren't PT's fun? I especially like the diagonal planking, so much more enjoyable than fitting longitudinal planking on a traditional hull.
Where I live (Michigan), we have humidity swings which create havoc on wood models. My PT was at first only resin coated over the basswood (lime) planking... before it ever went in the water, the seams had opened up! Resin alone won't stop the wood from working, it has no tensile strength. I ended up stripping the paint after most of the rest of the model was built, in order to apply a light layer of glass. Quite annoying, but I won't build another planked hull without glass on the outside.
You don't mention the plank thickness... ages ago, I built a 1:20 80 footer with 2 layers of 1/16" (1.5mm) planking... oh, it was heavy! And these models don't like heavy. My 2nd model was done with 2 layers of 1/32" (0.75mm) bass... with 3x 600 motors and 2x battery packs, it needed zero ballast. You can see it at:
http://matthewsmodelmarine.wordpress.com/writings/pt-41-building-one-of-the-expendables/
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Pat, enjoyed your site, book marked for future reference.
Great job AndrewB - keep it up... :-))
Martin doon under
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Thanks Pat and Martin for your comments.
Pat I have been to your site many times, fantastic work I must say!
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Hello All
Well I have been doing some building over the last few days Mufflers, Day cabin
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Hello All
Just doing a bit of work as I get the chance....It's starting to get a bit chilly out in the shed now. So some green primer, more sanding.I need to sort out what I am going to do with the 50 cals and mounts.
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It's starting to get a bit chilly out in the shed now.
Chilly?? In Wellington?? Who would have thought such a thing? :o %% {-)
Your boat's coming along nicely, Andrew, it's looking good :-))
Peter.
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Hay all
Im not sure what has gone on with my log in.....I had to re join {:-{ anyway not much done on the PT, Lack of a job means lack of funds and lack of time.....job hunting is a full time job <*<
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The site went down for a while Andrew , think most people had to re register , it was bad I couldnt get my MBM fix for too long
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:-) Hi guys, how are we all, Just let you know I am pottering along with the PT. I will post updates and pictures soon
Andrew
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will I have to do the silly verification every time I post?!..........MAD
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Good to see you back. :} pm a moderator and they should be able to reconnect your previous posts. Come to think of it I need to have them do the same for myself. %)
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Hello everyone
I am still about, the PT Boat has taken a we bit of a back seat, as I have another project on the go.......House renovations....Big ones.
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Can someone please sort out the stupid verification thing, It drives me mad! If I have to do it every post I wont bother with the site, sorry
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You've got 5 post now, that's it! :-)
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Cheers :-))
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latest sea trial, I have some of the weapons coming from Shapeways
https://youtu.be/l7pg-2ySs2g
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Rides well. :-))
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Hi Andrew
I am currently building a 1/20th Elco based on John Drains laser cut keel and rib kit. His shapes make a very accurate hull. You will love Shapeways weapons, I used some on my Higgins Hellcat and was very pleased with the detail and quality. They also have 1/20th PT crew personnel in various poses available now, by a different designer.
Your boat looks great, and performs well in your video.
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Hi ya
Thanks for your comments. Mine is based on Johns hull 1, he made the drawings available for free for a while. It has gone together pretty well.