Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: tt1 on September 04, 2010, 09:20:44 pm
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Hello folks, have finally got round to finishing my first model, a Loyal class from Model Slipway and a lovely kit it was too with excellent instructions (which I needed! {-)) and really helpful advice from Lawrie on the odd occasion that I was a little unsure.
Have taken a good number of photos but mainly from when the build was well underway, hadn't got the confidence beforehand, will post them on here if I can get this trial posting right with three basic one's for starters - (computing and electronics are certainly not my strong points {:-{)
In any event, a sincere thank you to all that has helped me along the way and especially to those of you who had taken the trouble to reply to my postings /p.m.'s with helpful advice, tips
and opinion, far too many to mention you all, but THANK YOU.
Here goes to see if I can get this right,
The stand
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And again
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Well blow me - it worked! off to the pub to celebrate, will post some pics tomorrow.
Goodnight and regards to all from a chuffed Tony :-)) :-)) :-))
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Well done Tony, looking forward to the rest of the pics, enjoy that drink. :-)) :-)) :-))
I purchased the "Tamar" from Model Slipway at Birchwood last week-end, but have to sort out my workshop before I can start it. :((
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Some pics of the build, got a bit carried away with the camera me thinks this being my first, seemed to end up taking a snap every time I added a couple of bits, but anyway I'll post most of 'em (in time.) They're probably not in date order but they show a reasonable sequence of progression I think.
In the first pic I know there wasn't a boot topping in this position on the real vessels but did it because I fancied it and for the experience. It's turned out a bit wider than I initially intended ---- I cocked up marking the first tape line! {:-{
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Think that'll do for now, would hate to bore you! ---- will post more later.
Regards to all, Tony.
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Looks really neat and tidy..... I have kind of decided on this kit for a first build myself..... I think they are fairly attractive vessels in their own way...probably due to having enjoyed their services to get ashore for many years. I quite fancied the idea of having one as a home, with the cargo hold converted to further accommodation. All very ship shape.
Good job, hope I can do as well......
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Hello sailorboy, thank you for the kind words, live aboard on a real vessel - if only, often admired and probably envied those that have done it, can't think of a nicer abode. We make do playing with our very small narrowboat at weekends etc., it's as near to seamanship as I'll probably ever get {-)
Apart from a holiday ferry trip to the Isle of Wight never been on a real working boat or ship, something I'd love to do before popping my clogs.
Anyway, thanks again, more pics will follow soon, good luck if you take up the build, it really is a nice looking boat and a great kit.
Regards, Tony :-))
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Well I did it (lived aboard) for 30 years as a job.... so perhaps it would seem a bit more natural..... until it came to paying all the bills myself perhaps!!! {:-{
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For a first build that looks excellent. Well done. I really like your idea of putting the smaller items in the trays. Keeps them handy and perhaps more importantly stops them going missing.
Any pics of the superstructure available?
MSW make great kits. Im currently building an Envoy civvie tug. Should have done some more building today but decided to clean my wife's car instead %%. Got to be done to keep the good lady happy for when I come to buy a 1\72 Type 21 from Fleetscale :-))
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tt1,
I am a little confused about which type you are building.
The gunwhales are buff (RMAS) but the superstructure is grey (RN and RNXS)
Bob
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Hi Tony your build is looking really good nice one
atb karl
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Hello Bob, please don't be confused - it really is my ignorance of build protocol, accuracy etc. etc. I really just fancied a change from grey - honestly! :embarrassed:
Only just taken up modelling and being honest I really have no knowledge of seamanship, vessels etc. and don't think we could live any further from the sea!
I just love looking at boats and now I'm hooked on wanting to build models of them. Never happier if I'm on holiday and can get into a harbour, but re my previous reply, never been lucky enough to get on or even close to the proper stuff.
Oh dear, just a thought bob - wait till you see the flags, {-) I used and abused what I had! Seriously though I'm just a happy modeller having fun, I'm afraid authenticity and museum standards are well beyond my capabilities, of course I like things to look reasonable and acceptable to the eye but the old phrase of "artistic licence" is something I hide behind.
Thanks for your interest though Bob, I'm always glad to learn and that's why I'm here. :-))
Hello Boatonic, loads of pics to come, will post some more tomorrow all being well, currently building the Shamrock now and then the Assurance class tug hopefully. Re the trays I have to work a bit tidily, saves 'em getting dusty and damaged but also easier top store away. Until I convert part of the garage for model making I currently share a corner of the conservatory with the dog! {-)
Thanks again to you both for you interest, regards Tony.
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Hello all, a few more snaps of my first build - may entertain you for a few minutes, regards, Tony.
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More great pics Tony, nice work....me thinks me'll be having one of these from Blackpool next month....I best go alone!!!!
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Nice model you have going on there keep up the great work, clearly you have a sound unit in there , are you planning other features to your build such as lighting, working winches? I'm watching this post with excitement keep going!
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Very nice build Tony. I am impressed with the detail. It all looks so smart.
Well done :-))
Ken
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tt1,
Not just being a pedantic pain but I used to work for the RMAS which operated the Buff coloured ones.
Bob
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Hello to all and sincere thanks for your encouraging remarks, : Karl, Bob, Sailorboy, Prophet and of course Ken. I think it only right to acknowledge you by name having shown your considerations by adding to the post.
No I don't think your pedantic Bob, your obviously a time served seaman with great knowledge and experience of same, I would imagine Van Gogh would of been well p****d off if some ignoramus called his masterpiece a daisy picture (or whatever it was {-)) Anyway when I met you at Wicksteed you agreed that you didn't think there were many questions that were stupid, well, seriously, can you tell me what RMAS and RNXS stands for? (asked the audience and they confirmed RN was the Royal Navy OK2)
Sailor boy, I will be at Blackpool on the Saturday all being well , and will check with Lawrie or Jackie to see if they've sold a loyal and keep an eye out for anyone with a large box :-))
Yes Prophet there's a basic diesel engine sound unit - not too bad in the paddling pool but may need an amplifier - not sure yet but we'll see. Re the lights, well! if Bob sees this he'll really be in despair! {-) {-) {-) I've fitted a grain of wheat lamp into every orifice outlet possible including 4 in the wheelhouse. You can see my electrics (?!) are a bit "Heath Robinson" (hope no one's called that on the forum {:-{) and if Dave (Action) sees it he'll sympathise with Bob {-) but I had neither the knowledge or the skill to make the lights work in a correct navigation sequence so yep you've probably guessed it - a flick of the stick and the lot come on or go off - all 34 of 'em %% The better half doesn't call me meerkat for nothing!
Thanks for your words Ken, having read a lot of your postings and followed some of your builds along with others on the forum makes me appreciate your comments all the more, I think I'm in the "kit" niche without a doubt, I have no knowledge of ships boat layouts etc etc so without the instructions and plans that come with the better kits I'd be lost and so scratch building is pretty well out of the question. I do love the music accompaniment with your videos , and your lifeboat really is the bees knees, one clever cookie - I'm not trusted with the TV remote OK2
Right,rambled on enough for now - just finished work so I'm in my wind down hour, will post more pics (of the superstructure) tommorrow today, regards to all Tony. :-))
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34 lights impressive, not sure if this is any use to you but Dave at Action has a selection of light control units, it may be worth a look, http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/las2.php (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/las2.php)
you may get lucky if you give Dave a ring he may be able to put something together for you to control all the lights with there functions but please keep going i can't wait to see the super structure and what your up to next!
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tt1
Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service (RMAS) operated all the buff and black tenders.
Royal Navy Auxiliary Service (RNXS) operated the grey ones. They were training ships for students.
There was also a RN operated tender the Yoyo which was a RN Diving Tender.
As to the "Christmas Tree Effect" I certainly don't despair as it should show her off to good effect.
1 minor point about the kit though is that these tenders usually carried an inflatable "Gemini" and not the clinker boat supplied.
Bob
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I think she's looking fantastic, the capatin and the dog are a nice touch.Just keep up the good work.
You are also very good with a camera.
atb karl
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Well done! Fantastic detail. You can be very proud of your model.
Best
Wilhelm
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Thank you very much Wilhelm, kind regards, Tony. :-))
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A few more pics this time of the superstructure.
Regards, Tony.
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Just to clear any confusion, this is one of the many pics I personally took around 1980, navy day, Portsmouth, note the clinker-built dinghy, all 4 loyals there on the day had the same.
Beautiful job by the way, well done.
Lawrie MS.
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Loyal Mediator complete with 'Jeremy'
Ned
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tt1
Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service (RMAS) operated all the buff and black tenders.
Royal Navy Auxiliary Service (RNXS) operated the grey ones. They were training ships for students.
There was also a RN operated tender the Yoyo which was a RN Diving Tender.
As to the "Christmas Tree Effect" I certainly don't despair as it should show her off to good effect.
1 minor point about the kit though is that these tenders usually carried an inflatable "Gemini" and not the clinker boat supplied.
Whilst scanning the net recently looking for info on these, noted that the diving tender one was currenly for sale...... though personally the conversion spolit the look of the thing.
Bob
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Thanks to Tony for publishing all these photographs.
I too am building this model,and Tony's pictures are an inspiration.
Well done Tony,and I hope you are as camera happy with your next build.
Alan
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Hello Lawrie, didn't realise you followed the forum, (oh dear - mind now working overtime!! {-) {-) {-)) thank you for your kind comment, coming from the master makes me feel quite chuffed.
Hi Ned, got to ask - who's Jeremy?
Hello Alan, got a lot of my inspiration from this forum too, quite often I was learning so much from different categories and quarters that, at times, for every three steps forward I ended up taking two back, but with perseverance and a lot of patience as they say. ( Looks great from thirty feet! {-).) The BIG test yet to be administered though is how it sails, didn't go under during ballasting in the paddling pool but that's as far as it's got. Look out for your pm.
A few more pics to come where hull meets superstructure and then when boat meets water.
Kind regards to all, Tony.
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I am also building a Loyal. How did you attach your pilothouse to the cabin top? How is the pilothouse roof attached? And the funnel? I am screwing all these together to give future access to wiring.
Lovely build you have there. :-)) :-))
I am planning on naming mine "LOYAL VOLUNTEER." What is the right color scheme, and what is the proper flag?
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Hi Ned, got to ask - who's Jeremy?
Jeremy was our nickname for the Gemini inflatable :D :D :D
'LM' on my pic has one in lieu of the clinker dinghy as
alluded to by Shipmate 60
Your build is an inspiration to us all
Congrats :-)) :-)) :-))
Yours Aye
Ned
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Hi Tony,
Great build!
Your motor & ESC mount / heat sink looks very efficient, can you tell me a bit more about it?
And what make is the sound unit?
Martin :-))
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Hello CGAux26 and thank you for you comment. Re the assembly of the wheelhouse roof, if you look closely (very closely) at the last photo of my first posting i.e the wheelhouse etc. you can just about see that, running around the inside walls of the wheelhouse about 4mm down from the top where the roof would attach, I've glued a 2mm square styrene strip. This is to support a false ceiling that is fitted with 4 red lamps which you can also see in the same picture, it's behind the funnel, you can just make out the wires sticking out at the rear. Another close look at the top of the wheelhouse front angled corners, you can see ( better on the left hand side) two tabs, these are glued and notched in flush with the top of the wheelhouse wall leaving a gap of about 3mm between the underside of the tabs and the top of the styrene supports, the ceiling slides in under the tabs at the front and rests on the strip supports and fits snugly inside the wheelhouse walls ( oh how I wish I knew how to draw on this computer!! {:-{) The wires are taped to the outside of the ceiling (obviously - doh!) and fed to the rear to be connected and hidden inside the funnel, the trick is to ensure enough of a gap between the styrene supports and the top of the wheelhouse walls so that the wiring does not foul, and the roofdeck, which also carries the mast lamp wires beneath itself, ( you can just about see these in the same photo as well) sits correctly in position on the walls. The roof is secured at the front via 2 screws into the tabs. I've not tried to hide these, you can see one of them in the 12th photo of the superstructure pics.
The important bit with this idea, is to ensure that the funnel is exactly the right height between where it fits on top of the wheelhouse roof, and the base where it is connected to the deck of the superstructure. The funnel is screwed to the superstructure deck from below, and if fitted correctly pulls down on, and secures the rear of the wheelhouse roof where there are no other fixings. It may help here, if after fitting, the funnel does not lend itself to a uniform seal to the deck, you can always run a thin strip of plasticard around the base as a bit of a kick board so as to speak - make a feature out of a cock up as my old dad used to say {-)
I strengthened the underside of both the funnel and superstructure deck with plasticard to ensure I didn't distort either when screwing down.
Re the colours and flags if you read the earlier responses to this thread by Bob,(Shipmate60) and Sailorboy I'm sure you'll realise they could advise you more than I. However there are photos of some real vessels on the Model Slipway site - look under "gallery" and the colours in the photos which came with the kit I think are correct also.
Well I've rambled on a bit but hope this helps, you can always pm me should you wish, goodnight, good morning? and good luck with your build, kind regards, Tony. :-))
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Thank you Martin a big help, :-)) will reply to your post a little later.
By the way CGAux26, due to Martin's edit I can now see that I forgot to mention the cut out in the wheelhouse rear of wall through which the wiring runs, this goes down to the styrene support and is as wide as necessary.
Regards to both, Tony.
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WoW!
Beautiful, wish I could build like that.
All the best!
Hama.
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Hello martin, sorry late replying to you but things have been a little hectic at the moment, anyway re the esc, sound unit and motor mount, somewhere on the forum I've read a little snippit in one of the postings, where I'm sure it mentioned that the esc could get a little warm - (I personally have no idea), so it seemed a reasonable idea to use aluminium as a dual mount and heat sink and with so much room in the hull, It allowed me to align the motor more accurately and also have room to slide any of the above fore and aft should I have needed to squeeze a few more mm clearance for battery removal etc. It makes removing the motor so easy and by being able to shunt it back and forth if I needed to change the coupling, variation in length of same would be no bother.
Since then and having met Dave (Action) at Wicksteed, I have to be honest and say I THINK what he said, when trying to explain to me why he doesn't like bec built into the esc, was something around the esc not receiving the specific required voltage which can make it a little warm and as he did say, any heat has got to go somewhere.
I did buy and fit one of his little bec gizzmos though, because although I'm very much a dummy re electrons, he made a lot of sense to me.
The sound unit by the way is from Hunter, but I think I'm going to need an amplifier - sounds OK with the superstructure off! {-) {-)
Hello Hama and thank you for you kind comment, the replies to this posting have truly been an inspiration to me - I was very wary of posting at first but am really glad I did now, anyway the following is the last pics of this build. Managed to launch and get it on the water today for its maiden voyage in a friends swimming pool of all places - I was well pleased as it seemed to sit right and sail OK although it wasn't choppy water thank goodness, and not a drop of water inside --- yippeeeee!
Thank you to all for your very kind comments - here's the last of the pics regards, Tony. ---------------------
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great job very impressed :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)), nice pool you lucky git :D can i ask ,could we see some photos with the lights on?
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A superb build! :-))
John
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Thanks guys, just for you Prophet OK2, Pics not so good without the flash and couldn't see to alter camera settings {-) {-) {-)
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Thanks again to all, regards, Tony. ( off to celebrate ------- again :-))
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superb very impressed i am loving the lights not sure what to say next :-)) whats your next project?
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Hello Prophet, building the Shamrock now, a nice little craft that's much smaller, lighter, with much less detail and no frills - but that's exactly what I want. I'm using an Eco 600 motor so it should go a bit, this is the one I think will be nice for a quick spin round the local pond and especially when the grand kids come.
Thank you for your kind comments, best wishes, Tony. :-))
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Hi,
When I joined the Port Auxiliary which became the RMAS, the RNX boats used to be referred to as mine watchers. The main task for the Loyal boats I believed was ship inspection work in harbours during times of hostilities, ie tell ships where to anchor check their identity etc. Also the RNX had a blue ensign not a white one, they where a weekend bunch of sailors who had a big budget allocated to them and they had a good time.
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nice work on your loyal class there :-) I'm hoping to get one next week .. look like a vary nice boat. where abouts did you get your light fittings from ????
Dan
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any up to 12v grain of wheat light bulbs will do the job, i believe that TT1 modified his kit lights to accept them read up the post a bit more its explained, (reply 16) . if your intrested here a link to pick some up but look else where this was a quick search price may differ on other sites
http://www.rapidonline.com/1/1/10116-grain-of-wheat-bulbs.html (http://www.rapidonline.com/1/1/10116-grain-of-wheat-bulbs.html)
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You'd be better of using LEDs or fibre optics, for the light source.
Most of the well known hobby shops sell the fittings.
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Dicky,
As most ships still use incandescent lamps or fluorescent fittings grain-of-wheat bulbs give a far more realistic light to the model for general deck lighting.
Bob
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LEDs look great on Dan's Campbeltown, plus they run cooler and are less likely to blow.
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One set of running lights on the Loyals were low voltage emergency lights
Although the model is rightly fitted with two of each, only one set would be used
while at sea.
Ned
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Hi Tony
Well done on a superb build - been following your posts - Just a suggestion - why not try a week on the Norfolk Broads, - great holiday afloat - try the Connisseur craft at Wroxham luxury afloat
Glad to hear you are doing the Shamrock, great little boat - I'm very pleased with mine - use Action Force/Star Wars figures for crew - can send photos if needed
Kindest Regards
Soldier151 a Lifeboat freaky at Killingworth Model Boat Club (Up North) Howay the lads
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hi tt, Great build. im in the middle of building my tender, just wonderd where you got your nav and mast lights from. ive hunted and cant find any the right size.
any help would be good. :-))
stewart
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Not sure where Tony got his from but u are able to purchace nav lights here...
http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/9.html (http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/9.html)
and here...
http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/acatalog/Electrical.html (http://www.mobilemarinemodels.com/acatalog/Electrical.html)
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wow, ta very much for that, got them in my fav,s :-)) :-))
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Hello Stew49, all the lights on the boat are the white metal ones that came with the kit, modified and drilled out to take grain of wheat bulbs and the lense covers made from an old biro/pen tube. Yes, it was a bit fiddly and a good test for patience but they came out really well in the end. Managed to (just) fit all the wiring inside the mast tube so there's nothing on show. Sorry haven't got any close up pics, but you can see the method on the Model Slipway site in Ivor Warne's review, this was from Model Boats March/April/May 1996.
Hope this helps, good luck with your build - I think its a little different and a cracking model, Kind regards, Tony. :-))
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Thank you Tony, great help, dont know if my modeling skills are up to that. or my eye sight {:-{
will have a go though. if it dont work out i can buy some :-))
stewart :-))