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Title: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: wallace on September 09, 2010, 07:03:26 pm
has anyone been on these cheap cigarette sites and are they any good
has anyone brought cheap fags online.
would like to hear from anyone and if anyone know where to get them from.
          wallace
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 09, 2010, 07:47:09 pm
Stick to the Tobacconist,then at least you,ll know that the one,s there will, only contain the recognised poisons put in by the manufacturers,..and not the poisons you,don,t know about that go into these "Bargain"cigs, %%

Wullie
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Prophet on September 09, 2010, 07:58:55 pm
ain't buying 'cheap fag's' illegal since they cheap because there not duty paid? we all know the rules in customs when buying smokes, limited to so much for that reason. not only that theres the health risk involved how do you know what your really smoking cheap knock off's could have all manner of chemicals not normally found in cigarettes, I'm a 20 a day smoker myself and buying them on the cheap sound well and good ( i can get them cheap from my brothers in the services so they get them 'off ship') but i would rather pay the 12 for 50g then shove something down my lungs that may be either illegal or worse more toxic then the c**p I'm already ingesting !
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: DickyD on September 09, 2010, 09:02:10 pm
Sorry Wallace but I reckon anyone who smokes is a mug. Give it up.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 09, 2010, 09:16:53 pm
I,.m an ex-smoker,but I,don,t go about thinking,those that smoke are "Mugs"each to their own,I say,It was my choice to start,just as it was to stop,I have a fiend who visits me almost every day,and he,s a smoker,but I don,t tell him to "stop"and neither do I think he,s a "Mug"i think of him as a very good friend,

Wullie,
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: DickyD on September 09, 2010, 09:36:29 pm
I,.m an ex-smoker,but I,don,t go about thinking,those that smoke are "Mugs"each to their own,I say,It was my choice to start,just as it was to stop,I have a fiend who visits me almost every day,and he,s a smoker,but I don,t tell him to "stop"and neither do I think he,s a "Mug"i think of him as a very good friend,

Wullie,
Wullie I have plenty of friends, sorry, "fiends" who smoke who I will tell to their face that they are mugs including my son.

You haven't had the emphysema as long as I have and have probably not yet got to the stage I have where I now have to travel everywhere by car or wheel chair, use a stairlift to get up stairs, have to take 30 to 40 pills a day plus inhalers, have put on 12stone because of the lack of excersize and medication, have to be on oxygen all night, need help to wash and dress, need someone to fetch and carry because of breathlessness, get your prescription delivered in two carrier bags and have died on two seperate occasions being bluelighted to hospital.
I also cant travel too far because of the water pills.

I smoked 20 a day and was as fit as a fiddle and I was a mug.

Still keep smiling as there is always someone worse off.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 09, 2010, 10:07:27 pm
Dicky,if my reply antagonized you in any way,then I apologise,
As for me,yes you are right,I probably have,nt had my emphysema as long as you,I,m 10 years into it,and have to admit,I,ve not been an ex-smoker for 10 years,as for getting around,well, I,m in the same boat as you,I have to use my Motability car,without it i,d be stranded,..luckily our house is all on one level,so no stairs,but even taking the weelie bin out,a round trip of 100m is a struggle,I too have put on weight Not so long ago used to be 3 stones overweight,..i.e.6ft 1in =13.5 stone this is what i should be,now think 21st,so i know where you,re coming from,as of yet i don,t need oxygen but i do have my little  air machine with mask,Not oxygen,   pumped air,to combat sleep apnoea,...I too have a cocktail of pills to take,Not as much as you, I don,t think,..I can,t take a bath anymore,cause I might get wedged in and not get out {-)"Not a pretty sight"and as for water pills,there the bane of my life,and its not the first time I,ve been caught out and had to head towards the nearest bush,tree,anywhere,in order to relieve myself,In fact I nearly got caught one day,and had I done so,,I probably would have been called a flasher,..Don,t all laugh at once,I,ll do it for you {-) {-) {-) {-)...but having said all this,..If there,s one thing people hate,Its getting "Preached to by an ex-smoker"...So I make a point of Not Preaching,...I just ask them,...Did you sleep in an Ashtray last night" {-) {-)

Wullie
 
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: malcolmfrary on September 09, 2010, 11:30:05 pm
Not everybody gets emphysema.  My late wife didn't.  She always appeared healthy and active, right up until an arterial blockage manifested itself that resulted in a sudden fatal heart attack last year.
Then you see people balanced in wheelchairs because their legs have been amputated due to poor circulation brought about by tobacco deposits in the plumbing.
Still, if they give you pleasure, enjoy them while you can.  If you buy from an "official" tobacconist, the poisons are traceable.  If you buy elsewhere, they are not, and you have no idea what extras you my be taking on board.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on September 10, 2010, 12:33:02 am
two things about smoking, people who smoke should be able t as long as they are sealed in an air tight plastic bag so I don't have to smell them or get there secondhand smoke, the price of them should be double so you can pay for all the damage you do to other people, buying them cheap deprives the NHS of money to fix the problems they cause and also gives money to criminals to fund other crime.

 malcolmfrary , I have to go to hospital on a very regular basis and out side they are all congregated dragging drips in wheel chairs etc coughing and spitting I have to go through a fog to get in and out of the main front door. these idiots never learn

 <*<peter <*<
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 10, 2010, 12:52:40 am
Wullie I have plenty of friends, sorry, "fiends" who smoke who I will tell to their face that they are mugs including my son.

You haven't had the emphysema as long as I have and have probably not yet got to the stage I have where I now have to travel everywhere by car or wheel chair, use a stairlift to get up stairs, have to take 30 to 40 pills a day plus inhalers, have put on 12stone because of the lack of excersize and medication, have to be on oxygen all night, need help to wash and dress, need someone to fetch and carry because of breathlessness, get your prescription delivered in two carrier bags and have died on two seperate occasions being bluelighted to hospital.
I also cant travel too far because of the water pills.

I smoked 20 a day and was as fit as a fiddle and I was a mug.

Still keep smiling as there is always someone worse off.

Right on Dicky D  :-)) :-)) :-))
Bottom line if you are a good friend and your friend is acting stupid wouldn't common sense and concern for your friend motivate you to assist in whatever way you can.
Stop making excuses and tell them to stop smoking. >>:-( <*<
And yes I gave it up and fortunately my health, from smoking, has recovered. O0 O0
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: derekwarner on September 10, 2010, 06:35:12 am
mmmmmm Both DickyD & RaaArtyGunner     ....are on the correct track  :-))....if we care for someone we should constructively help ..... O0

I gave up 15 years ago with the patches :kiss:....& never looked back..........I just wish I could convince my wife to stop before it is too late  <:( <:( <:( ....Derek
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: DickyD on September 10, 2010, 08:44:22 am
Wullie I dont preach to people about giving up smoking but I will use myself as an example as to why people should.

It is the "it cant happen to me attitude" that really frustrates me. It can, look at me.

Still back to the boat building, it's about the only think I can do on my own these days and even that is getting harder what with paint, glue and solder fumes.

Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 10, 2010, 09:16:11 am
"getting harder what with paint, glue and solder fumes"
simples,...  wear a respirator mask,

Wullie
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: PMK on September 10, 2010, 09:26:23 am
Dicky, I know that you're a proud bloke and I'm not gonna start getting all soppy by patronising you. But, for what it's worth, I really and truly do admire you having the will to finally kick your niccotine habit. In fact, just reading your symptoms alone should be enough to scare anybody away from from smoking for ever.
But as you probably know, for years and years I've been partial to smoking a bit of the five-fingered weed - all kinds of varieties. You name it, I've smoked it. And I damn well enjoyed every single one, too. So how come kicking the cannibis habit was a pure doddle, dead easy, yet kicking the niccotine habit is pure hellish?
And, in spite of this recent heart-attack caper, the craving for niccotine is still there... constantly. I've smoked just two cigarettes in the past three month and have to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed every single puff. The heart attack should have been the biggest wake-up call of all, so how come I'm still walking the walls and absolutely gagging for a smoke all the time? And it gets even worse after I've eaten, because the desire for a smoke is then even stronger. Logic and pure common sense is screaming at me, telling me not to smoke another cigarette ever again. So how do you free yourself of the constant craving?
All those pills and potions in your bathroom cabinet should be enough warning to scare me away from smoking for ever. But the cold, honest truth is, I'd smoke a cigarette even at this very moment if someone were to offer me one.
And yes, I have tried those 'Inhalator' devices, and yes, they taste absolutely vile. Same deal with niccotine patches - they don't work either.
So how on earth does one kick the craving for niccotine?..... even though we are all fully aware just how damaging the damn stuff can be?
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: DickyD on September 10, 2010, 09:47:27 am
PMK, hi dude, sorry to say but the cravings dont go away completely, some days I would kill for a cigarette.

Its really down to will power and personal choice, live or die early.

Having tried the die early bit twice I have decided to stay off the cigarettes. :-))
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: wallace on September 10, 2010, 09:48:44 am
Hi guys I really started something going about these cigarettes
Im so sorry It came up while chating to someone about cigs and he said about this site online for cheap fags
I dont smoke and all I can say if someone wants to smoke let them as I used to smoke 40 to 60 aday but not any more since my first heart attack 6 years now and im on 40 tablets aday as well cant do much exercise and put on weight as well    but im happy doing my boats and sailing them at the lake in new brighton.
Love you all and chat soon/   wallace :-))
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: PMK on September 10, 2010, 10:02:18 am
What?... died twice already?! Man, I had no idea. In that case, perhaps you made the best choice..... even if the craving is always there.
Dig this...
I'm only waffling all these posts' this morning because I'm trying to kill time, because in a couple hours time the doc's will be stopping my heart for a few moments. The idea being to test this new defibrillator - testing to see that it works its magic and jolt my heart back on-line. It's not something I'm looking forward to. And being that I'm terrified of hospitals anyway, all this waffling is my way of trying to comes to terms with it.
Apologies for bending all your ears this morning.

And assuming that the defib' actually does bring my heart back in business, I'll bet the very first thing I'll think of is wanting a cigarette.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: DickyD on September 10, 2010, 10:10:29 am
They know what they are doing dude. Dont worry.
Let us know how you get on.  :-))
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Peterm on September 10, 2010, 10:43:41 am
I was a smoker for 50 years, then I got a health shock so decided to pack it up.   I needed assistance, not enough will power, so went to an acupuncturist.  After the first session, no more ciggies and that was 13 years ago.   Won`t work for everyone but worth a try.   Pete M
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: dreadnought72 on September 10, 2010, 10:54:52 am
There's another side to cheap cigarettes.

About a year ago, in Belfast, I was in a newsagent. I saw a woman asking for cigarettes, and the seller offered her "the ones under the counter". Turns out there was a big cardboard box full of cigarette packets stashed away down there. They looked kosher, but didn't have the usual UK health warnings on. The woman paid perhaps half what she'd have normally done, and went on her way.

Asking about this, my wife (who's Northern Irish) informed me that those cigarettes are smuggled in - maybe over the Irish border, having been landed in Ireland from somewhere in Europe. They are therefore tax-free, but the profit (and it's still substantial, it's cash and it's not taxed) goes to fund extremist groups. Buy weapons, keep paramilitaries "employed", fund the knee-cappings and beatings that still go on.

By buying cheap cigarettes you're not "just" getting one around the UK taxman, you are, whether you like to admit it or not, helping to support criminal activities. In NI, that's violent sectarianism. In the UK it can be criminal gangs engaged in any kind of illegal activity, who could well using cheap cigarettes to launder money.

Now, I'm sure I'm like most people: I don't mind skirting taxes, but I really object to supporting immoral, violent and abhorrent causes.

Andy
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 10, 2010, 11:37:35 am
I of all people,know what smoking cigarettes,does to you,as smoking related illnesses ,are part of my family,but it did,nt stop me from starting,I started when I was 21 and over the next 35 an odd years tried to kick the habit,even although i was never a heavy smoker,averageing 10/15 per day,and sometimes not smoking for a week or two,then stopping for 6 months,then starting again,I was diagnosed with COPD in 2000,and stopped immediately, but it only lasted for 6months,then I started again,In 1996 my late mother was diagnosed as having,smoking related  Lung Cancer,she had a Lung removed in 1996 and died in 2006,of something far removed from a smoking related illness,My late father had a cancerous growth in his mouth removed successfully in 1972,he continued to smoke after this date,he had a massive heart attack,smoking related,in 1997,and survived,he died in 2003 from a non smoking related illness,
Although I have COPD,and other,health issues,my quality of life,is still quite good,a way above Dicky,s I think,I have good days and bad,the good outweighing the bad,
I go for a lung capacity test once a year,and luckily for me the past 5 tests have shown,that my COPD is still mild,
I don,t believe the craving ever leaves,.my Father told me 6 months before he died,..that there were times he could murder a cigarette,my mother on the other and,after she had her lung removed became nauseous if she stood next to a smoker,
To help me with my cravings I got a prescription from my Doc for Nicorette,gum,and the Inhaler,and can honestly say they do help,along with good old will power,..Will I stay off cigarettes,??? I hope so,but who knows,I just take one day at a time,..because you know what they say,"you die if you worry,You die if you don,t worry,So why worry"

Wullie
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: wbeedie on September 10, 2010, 11:56:22 am
The old man smoked for forty years before stopping 10 years ago and the last 20 years upto a hundred a day at sea(skipper on fishing boat) , when he stopped his health went down holl fast now has COPD and asbestosis from the wrapping that went round the exhaust that was in the wheel house , Even now he wished he hadnt stopped even if it killed him as the tablets and the likes he has to take every day to keep him going along with artheritis ,and other things attributed to his time at sea ,unfortunately he cant be put under general as he wont come round ,not once has he mentioned others smoking around him although my mother who smoked for 5 years constantly nags even strangers about smoking habits
Anyway back on topic I wont even consider buying cheap cigs unless they are duty free as all the rubbish that is put in them
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 10, 2010, 12:49:39 pm
Its just life,whats bad for one,might not be bad for another,i,m of the opinion that its all pot luck,,,like the old saying,"whats for you,will not go past you,"my mate Robert,his Dad was 90 a month ago,he still smokes,10 a day according to him,20+ according to his son,and up until his birthday was driving a Jeep Cherokee,but now that he,s 90, it a 4 wheel scooter,but to look at him,he still looks like there,s a few more years in him,and he started when he was 14, Then there,s my brother-in-law,he,s 52,he goes through a 150g+ of Golden Virginia,a week...100 ciggies+ per day,and he does,nt have a wheeze,I,smoked less than 20 per day, and I,ve got a wheeze,..Its all down to luck I say,

Wulie
ps, up here in Scotland,especially around weegie land,there,s been cases recently whereby counterfeiters,have been making up their own brand of Golden Virginia,..from discarded tailor made ciggie butts and floor sweepings,sawdust,and a half oz of good GV,then they packaged it in what looked like a genuine GV pouch,and it was sold at car boot sales and the Barra,s,..They got caught because they could,nt spell..."Golden Virginia"..they spelt it,   "Golden Verginia" {-)

Wullie   
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: The long Build on September 10, 2010, 01:21:57 pm
ps, up here in Scotland,especially around weegie land,there,s been cases recently whereby counterfeiters,have been making up their own brand of Golden Virginia,..from discarded tailor made ciggie butts and floor sweepings,sawdust,and a half oz of good GV,then they packaged it in what looked like a genuine GV pouch,and it was sold at car boot sales and the Barra,s,..They got caught because they could,nt spell..."Golden Virginia"..they spelt it,   "Golden Verginia" {-)
Wullie   

No right, but least someone is picking up all the cigarette butts and recycling..  :police:
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 10, 2010, 01:42:11 pm

Food for thought.  O0 O0 O0

Would you every day or week take a twenty quid note (or whatever is the price of a packet of fags in your locale) and put a match to it and watch it burn  >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*< <:( <:( <:(

That's smoking.  <:( <:( <:( <:(


Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 10, 2010, 02:52:08 pm
My stopping,was for Health issues,but I made sure I put my weekly spend,into a sealed tin,and it was opened after one year,..there was 1300 in the tin,,,I can buy a few models for that kind of money, {-) and thats only smoking 10/20 per day,I perish to think what a 40/60 er a day spends if their buying tailor made cigarettes,

Wullie
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 10, 2010, 04:31:44 pm

Well done Wullie.   O0
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: garston1 on September 10, 2010, 07:49:57 pm
Wallace, Give em up! Stick to drinkin! It'll still kill ya but you won't remember!
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Marks Model Bits on September 10, 2010, 08:30:13 pm
My uncle died as a direct result of smoking cigarettes.........

He was trying to light one on a particularly windy day and didn't see the bus!!!!!! {-) {-) {-) :-)) :-))

Mark.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 10, 2010, 08:50:34 pm

 Cigarettes killed my uncle too, he was run over by a Rothmans lorry....
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: wibplus on September 10, 2010, 09:08:52 pm
I stopped completely from 20-25 a day to nil a day. I had help.  ;)
I found a set of CDs which cost me less than a weeks cigs and the guy on the CDs simply talks you out of it and gives a lot of useful hints and tips to stay stopped.

Dont let anyone tell you that you need to be "up for it" and prepared.

I was in a foul mood that day that I listened to the CDs (it takes about 5 hours) and you can carry on smoking and have tea breaks etc whilst listening.

After a while, I began to realise that it was a long time since I felt like a smoke and at the end of the session I had eleven cigs left in the pack.  :o

I threw them away a few weeks later because they were cluttering the mantlepiece. Never had one since. (Sometimes feel like it but know how to deal with it.)  :}

I still have the discs but never needed them again. Kept them in case I might one day.  That was over three years ago.   :} :} :}
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: BarryM on September 10, 2010, 09:33:09 pm
My nicotine-crazed sister-in-law arrived from Australia and headed for the local market from whence she returned boasting of the great bargain she had bought, i.e. cheap cigarettes. When she lit one it burned with the speed and ferocity of a Roman candle. Undeterred she worked her way thorugh the rest and, given the speed of combustion, this did not take long. 

The experience should have put her off the weed for life but, apart from suffering soot falls, she is still at it.

Barry M 
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: sheerline on September 10, 2010, 10:25:13 pm
No one ever mentions the paper contained in a ciggy. Apart from the baccy itself, tailor made cigs are wrapped in thick pape impregnated with saltpeter to keep them alight. If you remove the paper and set fire to it it burn fiercly and leaves a considerable amount of ash residue. This makes me wonder how harmful the inhalation of paper fumes on it's own can be compared to the baccy itself.
Remember the little old guys propped up in the corner of the pub each night, happily puffing away on their pipes... they were always old guys, looked about 80 and usually wore a cap . When they had a pipe in their mouths it was normally unlit, occasionally they would have a flare up, smoke the pub corner out for about half a minute then carry on chatting long after the pipe had extinguished itself. They would repeat this process at intervals during the evening. The youngsters at the bar would get through best part of a pack of fags in a couple of hours.
Pipe smokers seem to last longer than ciggy smokers and perhaps it has something to do with the nature of the smoking process ie: no paper, no chemicals and a pipe which rid the comustion products of some of the tar and moisture due to condensation within the pipe itself... that why they need cleaning frequently. The ciggy smoker inhales the lot and the frequency with which he does it is much greater than the pipe smoker.
Whilst I'm not advocating anyone takes up smoking, maybe there's something about pipe smoking which is somewhat less harmfull than fags. I have smoked a pipe most of my smoking career , when you run out of pipe baccy and really fancy a smoke, I would accept a rollup but never a tailor made fag as they tasted foul and made my eyes stream. No wonder they kill people.
All said, I would never pillary a friend or collegue for smoking because there is nothing worse than banging on about something and making folk feel uncomfortable all it does is make them tend to avoid you rather than talk to you. All the lecturing and castigating in the world will not make someone stop smoking, it will just irritate them.
 
The answer is education, once in possesion of the facts it becomes an individual choice and providing it affects no one other than the guy with the ciggy himself then I'd say let everyone do their own thing. I wonder how many ex smokers light bonfires in the evenings and smoke out the local community or decide to go out in the car for a ride round cos they are bored, aren't they just as guilty of fouling the air for others as is the guy with a fag on?

Finally, as a bloke who has smoked as many times as he has given up I can tell you one thing for certain, It's not the nicotine which makes you want a fag, not after the first week of abstenance anyway, since the nicotine itself leaves the system fairly quickly.
Once the nicotine has gone, it's your brain which drives you to want a smoke, it's the sheer habit and feeling of emptiness because an old established and comforting routine has suddenly vanished and there is nothing to replace it. A lot of people turn to food, this coupled with the body's newfound ability to absorb the nutrients more easily results in a weight gain. The desire for a ciggy will knaw away at you simply because you miss it and want it and you feel lost without it. Once the nicotine is out of the system it is definately a state of mind.. a battle of the will no less.
Bin there, got the T shirt.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: Wasyl on September 11, 2010, 02:12:47 am
Saltpeter,now this s a weird substance,that has many uses,...as you say Sheerline,its in the paper of tailor made ciggies,to keep them burning,but its not in hand rolling papers,cause they continuously go out if you don,t keep puffing,This does,nt make self rolled any safer, but they do last longer,..but getting back to Saltpeter,..its an ingredient of Gunpowder,hence the big flash,
...but it was also used as a preservative during 15/1600,s,and it can also be used in the cooking of meat,A fiend of mine once research cooking habits from the time of Henry V111,..dd you know that he,Henry,once spent the equivalent of 1,000,000 by todays standards on one state banquet,...my mate Alfie replicated a meal that contained Saltpeter,He got a joint of beef,Topside,3kg,and injected it with Saltpeter and salt, stuck cloves around it,and kept it in the garage for 8 weeks,..why the garage you may ask,well it was the coolest place,as the recipe said that the meat had to be put in the cold store or game larder, after 8 weeks,the meat was placed in the oven and slow cooked for 4 hours,then rested for 2 When the meat was carved, we could see  veins of green/blue running though the meat,...now the question, was it good,...it was delicious,..different,but delicious,

Wullie

Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: PMK on September 11, 2010, 06:41:43 am
They know what they are doing dude. Don't worry.

You're definitely spot on there, my man; for they do indeed know what they're doing.
The truth is, I'm not sure why I was so spooked about it in the first place, because the whole procedure lasted just literally minutes. No pain, no fuss and everything checked-out perfectly.
Like I said, I'm pretty much terrified of hospitals, but given everything which has happened during this past few weeks I've suddenly got a whole load of respect for everyone who works there. I was treated like a King. And the wonders of modern-day medicine is nothing short of miraculous.
Grateful be I.

Smoking?
I think you probably hit the nail on the head when you said that it's mainly all to do with willpower. Unfortunately, willpower is something that I don't possess, so I'm quite taken with the idea of the aforementioned acupuncture. Or, if that should fail, then as Mr Sheerline says; perhaps even consider smoking a pipe. Luckily, for me at least, my arteries are in good condition - pretty much free of anything smoke related or fatty foodstuffs, ergo I did not need any stents installed. The main problem being that the left-hand side of the heart is weak. No-one is really sure but it seems that the weakness may have been there since birth. The heart attack could have happened at any time in the past - even when I were kid. Meaning, if this is the case, then there's no reason not to continue smoking, right?
Wrong.
I've had just two smokes recently (as opposed to the usual 12 or 15 each day). It would seem somehow foolish to continue smoking just for the hell of it, so rather than experience these hellish withdraw symptoms, I figger on smoking just one every once in a while - probably after a meal or suchlike. Because no matter how much I try to lie to myself, I just cannot escape the fact that I actually ENJOY a cigarette.

Who knows? I'm ready to try anything. But man, I wish I had your willpower.
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: wibplus on September 11, 2010, 07:46:21 am
Hi PMK
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Who knows? I'm ready to try anything. But man, I wish I had your willpower.
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As I said in my post, I still have the CDs that got me stopped and you are welcome to have a copy of them if you want.  :-))

One of the things that is stressed in the CDs is that you wont need willpower, what you use is information, logic and motivation. It seems you already have logic and motivation.   :}
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: malcolmfrary on September 11, 2010, 10:25:25 am
One of my fairly successful attempts at stopping was from a pipe.  I did truly enjoy the ritual of crumbling and packing and lighting and then keeping it that way.  Then, one day, the Red Arrows cured me.  I made the mistake of looking up while fumigating the street with an aluminium stemmed pipe.  That mouthful of tar was a really good stopper, for the next 18 months.  Tasty, as well.  It was almost 30 years ago, and I can still taste it.
The final stop happened while suffering a real cold.  I was working out how much less effective and more difficult each breath was becoming, and how long it would be before it stopped working altogether.  Then, instead of switching to Consulate, I spent the ciggy money on fruit.  Have an apple or something like it instead.  After a time, not only are you healthier and livelier, you daren't have any naked lights near you.  That was over 20 years ago, still working, and no desire to start again.
Now, about chocolate...............
Title: Re: cheap ciigarettes
Post by: sweeper on September 11, 2010, 04:47:06 pm
Hi there PMK,
Sorry to read of your recent problems, at least the jump lead treatment worked!

I can understand your touch of the "whitecoat syndrome", just had a short spell inside myself - the first in nearly sixty years. Strange experience but as you say the staff are magic.

As for quiting the weed, been there (many years ago) from smoking 20 a day of Capstan Full Strength to zero in one swoop. Hard? Yes! Painful? Yes!
Got to the stage of waking up one night in a cold sweat, I swore that I was smoking in bed and had set the bed on fire. That was the worst of it for me. I simply refused to buy the stuff, avoided going into the newsagents for my morning paper on the way to work - no paper but also no weed.
Stayed clear for quite a number of years, although I had enjoyed them I must admit I never again had a craving for them.
Fast forward a number of years and for some unknown reason I started with a pipe.... Still use it, the crap that comes out of that makes me cringe to think it used to go into my system.
My local Doc is one of the variety who blames all (and I mean ALL) the ills of the world on weed - of any type. He has stopped short of claiming that the problems in the Middle East are due to some squaddie lighting up a blue liner. Must have choked him not to say it though.

With your recent activities it could be a good idea to consider walking away from it. I'm not preaching at you man, I've had too many episodes of that myself. Given the history though?
Whatever you choose to do, good luck with the process. Stay healthy (and breathing).
Regards,
Bill