Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: KenP on January 29, 2007, 04:22:30 pm
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Had the kit 2 weeks - Jokita 1:72 scale Victory.
Photo shows the hull carcase coming together. 18 bulkheads. The gunport area is supplied in three sections of ply ( the upper two are fitted ). The lower 2 gundecks are with dummy guns, just the barrels set into wood strips, the lower one can be seen in the photo. The strips are painted black so they won't stand out should anyone look through the gunports. Middle deck is also fitted.
The ply forms the "first"planking to the upper half of the boat, the lower to be planked - my next long job. I soaked the ply well to get it to curve round the bows where it is now glued and pined ) and clamped.
KenP
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You certainly know how to take on a challenge Ken. Have to finished the customs boat or are you doing the two together?
The Victory is a superb kit but not something I have anything like the time for.
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"Vigilant", the customs boat is 99% finished. Electrics to finish off, if I decide to sail her, and maybe put oars in the ships boats.
Problem is.... she is too tall to get in my Jeep !!!!!!!
KenP
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Ken,
Another good excuse to keep her dry, hehehehe :) :)
Bob
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First planking completed. ( 1.5mm x 6mm lime planks )
The primary aim of this planking is to provide a base for the second planking which will be in 1mm x 5mm walnut. The important thing is to get the hull shape right with the first planking, use of stealers and plastic wood filling is Ok as they will all be hidden by the second planking.
The elongated verticle hole in the middle row of gunportrs is the entrance port.
The boat is on its working cradle, this will not be the final means of displaying the boat.
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Quarter Galleries in place and second planking started.
The quarter galleries are sanded and filled to shape, the windows are glazed. None of the "wood" will show as it will either be painted or covered in decoration.
Same applies to the second planking. below the waterline it will be covered in copper tiles, and above the waterline will be painted.
Any gaps or cracks above the waterline will have to be filled to retain an overall smoothness, a job I hate doing, hard to be satisfied and it takes a long time !!!
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Nice to see a build of static model on the forum...dont get much representation on our sight.Why is that do you think?
chromedome
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It's sad to cover such a beautiful wood work... even if historical.
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I am facing the same issues as I build a 3rd rate ship of the line.I have all but finished the masts using lemon wood which looks great however the prototype had masts painted yellow ocher and tar black.After lots of soul reaching I have painted the masts I will post some photos to let you make the judgement.
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Some modellers leave all the wood unpainted, they like their models that way.
I mean to paint Victory as she was at Trafalgar. Paint can also cover a multitude of sins!!!!!
Just about finished the second planking from just below the maindeck gun port to the keel. Can't go all the way up as the centre gun ports did not have lids. In consequence this linings finished flush with the first planking and then were covered by the second planking. i e they need to be lined before the second planking is completed.
Next step is to fit the main gun deck , the inner bulwarks, and plank this deck. I'll post some more photos then
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HI
JUST STARTED MY HMS VICTORY JUST DONE THE KEEL AND BULKHEADS LONG WAY TO GO YET DAVEW
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Painted masts that I mentioned
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By the way the second photograph shows the mock up which will be used to try out the RC system before building the hull.
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Good luck with your build of Victory, Davew. is yours the Jokita kit?
I've just glued and pinned in the main gun deck. It needed triming round the edges by about 2mm each side and a corresponding amount on the bulkhead cut-outs. I can't say I'm looking forwad to making up, painting and rigging the 30 18pound guns that go onto this deck. I expect I will only rig the ones in the centre that can be seen down through the main deck.
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HI KENP
YES IT IS THE JOKTIA KIT. I AM NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RIGGING,THEY IS JUST ALOT OF IT
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Photos show gun deck in place and the inner gun port ply fitted.
A real job to bend the deck ply to get it below the bulkhead protusions, The gun port ply needed about 2mm taking off the lower edge to get the inner & outers to line up.
Next job is to plank the gun deck
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Looking really good Ken
Richard ;)
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Main gun deck planked.
centre eight gunports on this deck are "open" i.e. no gunport lids. These have been lined.
The second planking and the inner bulwark planking can now be done as this planking goes over the gunport linings.
The lower plank of the inner bulwark is in place, thus was painted ochre before glueing in place as it could be difficult to get a clean paint line otherwise between it and the deck planking.
Next stage is to complete the above planking and reshape the gunports. Then paint the inner bulwarks .
After that it is the wales.
meantime there is caravanning and golf, what a busy life it is being retired !!!!
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Must be nice to have the patience to build something like this Ken.
Makes my efforts look a bit sad.
I take it you wont be chucking this in the water when its finished that'll keep Bob happy.
Richard ;)
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Inner bulkheads painted, they go up to the level of the quarterdeck.
Secondry planking completed up to the level of the quarterdeck gunports.
All three wales in place, the lower wale is deeper and slightly thicker than the upper two wales.
I found I couldn't bend the lower wale planking around the bow and get it to bend to the downward contour of the hull, it
just would'd lie flat on the hull. My solution was to use three shorter pieces of planking for each wale plank around the bow, the joints can be hidden with filler and will then be painted, should then be invisible.
Next stage is to line all the gunports. A long job and not that easy.
The lining planks are 6mm wide and have to be inset from the hull sides by 1mm ( the thickness of the gunport lids )
This only leaves about 1mm glueing surface !!!!
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Very nice Ken
Richard ;)
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Gunports lined and painted red.
Sides painted with the black and ochre bands, this is done at this point as shortly in the construction sequence, the cannons will have to be fitted to the middle gun deck before the quarterdeck is put in place. With the cannons installed it is more difficult to paint these bands.
The ochre bands widen in the middle, which narrows the black bands.
The paints used are water based from Jokita which are the true colour of Victory.
Next job is to stick on the copper plating. 2500 plates are supplied in the kit.!!!!!!
The photo seems to show the bands as having wavey edges - not true - they really are straight - it's the photo - Honest!!!!
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Get sticking Ken, I wish I had your patience. Looking good.
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It looks a great job your doing there and a true labour of love ;)
Can I ask what did the kit cost and where you got it from?
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The kit is the Jokita one and I purchased it from Westbourne Models - £640
Bought it in Jan and I expect it to take 2 1/2 years to build at my rate of building
KenP
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It looks hell of a kit and sounds to have some very nice components, bet the copper plates will do your nut in but it sounds well worth the frustration.
What is the quality like do you think it is worth the money?
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Quality of the kit is excellent. Wood is good, laser cut parts fit, lots of brass bits on frets, different size cannons for the different gun types ( Full cannons for the gun deck even though most of them won't be seen ) Lots od drawings . one instruction book fot the hull and a separate one for the rigging, plus a third book for parts identification.
On one of the brass frets one etch was slightly too thin - Jokita replaced it, no problems, and on there webb site are more photos of the construction of Victory.
All in all - a good package and highly recommended.
You get what you pay for.
KenP
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Excellent and what we all like to hear, must say am certainly tempted....sounds a thought for er in doors to dig deep for Xmas ;D ;D ;D
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At last. Finished copper plating the hull. Plates stuck on with green Zap.
Also mounted the hull on its stand. A piece of shelving from B&Q with three pieces of 5mm Brass rod up into the hull through the keel.
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Immaculate plating Ken, now we can see why we haven't had an update for a while.
Is the timber stand to stop Bob trying to get you to float it ?
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Haven't really thought about what I'll do with it once it is finished. But float it...NO. So don't get any ideas Bob.
I do know that her-indoors will go on about it being to big a boat. So guess I'll try and sell it once it is finished.
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Whoa! So do you see copper plates at night when you close your eyes now??? Nice work!
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I just plate one side of mine, anyone need some spare plates?
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Photo shows finished gundeck gratings. Shot garlands are in place with cannon balls in them ( I only lost one cannon ball, it's somewhere in the bowels of the ship !!!). Companionway ladders in place, threads are the ends of the companionway guard rails. Two large cleats are in position on the inner bulkwards. The only real portion of this deck to be seen is through the centre part of the quarterdeck.
Next job is to make up the 30 12-Pounder cannons for this deck and rig the 12 central ones, given other tasks the "boss" has in mind, I expect this could take a couple of months
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Guns fitted to gundeck. Only the central twelve are rigged, these are the ones seen through the opening in the quarterdeck
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Gundeck completed, ready to install quarterdeck.
The square box in the foreground is the steam box. Companionway handrails have been finished.
Support pillars for skid beams in place, also the bitt pins that go fore and aft of the mainmast.
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Quarterdeck in place and planked.
Skid beams also in place and painted. The gundeck, through the skid beams, can be seen in the second photo.
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Sorry, Missed off first photo !!!!!
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Looking good Ken. O0
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Inner Bulwarks in and painted. Second level hull planking complete and painted.
Quarterdeck gunports lined and painted. Capping in place, except where the poop deck will be.
The screen under the poop deck is in place, the widows are glazed and the frames painted. In battle this screen was taken down so the aft three gunports could be fully used.
Next job is to put all the bits & bobs on this deck, starting from the bow
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all of you
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Looking amazing Ken.
Merry Christmas to you.
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Ahhhhh Ken,
So that is how the Missouri turned out, shrunk a bit O0
Bob
ps Happy Christmas Ken
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Keep this up and you will have a really beautiful model. I am a Victory builder too. Mine took me almost 3 years of which 1 year was on the rigging alone. Stil worth every minute.
Barry
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Mishap or carelessness?
Re the main companionway. I had built the steps and put them to one side, then I edged the companionway opening.
So far so good. The I offered the steps to the opening to make sure it all fitted before putting up the ballustrade around the top.
Horror, I droped the steps down the companionway opening. unfortuneately they didn't come to rest on the deck below( the gun deck) but carried on down the lower companionway into the bowels of the ship where they became impossible to retreive even if I could get to see them.
Soooooo. I have to wait until JOKita are open in the New Year and persuade them to let me have a new pair of ladder sides and then rebuild the steps.
The joys of modelling - ( My wife thought it funny !!!!!!!)
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With your obvious modelling skills, have a go at making them yourself. You can always fall back on Jotika if not happy,
Barry
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Gave Jokita a phone call re the ladder sides, no problem they sent me a ladder set FOC so now I'm back in business.
Got the kevels and shot garlands on the quarterdeck, companionway to finish off and have just started on the quarterdeck cannons.
Too bloody wet & windy for golf !!!!!
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Quarterdeck cannons completed. next job is the ships wheel and binnacle
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Looking amazing Ken. O0
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Very impressive. I just love to see such a glorious vessel built so well.
Just one point. The deck planking isn't shiny is it? May be the light on the picture so sorry if it is not. It should be matt.
Keep them coming,
Barry
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It 's the light, Barry. It is matt, but tends to photo almost as gloss.
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Hi Ken
That is a beautifull model. I have a few pics of Victory if you are interested.
Holmsey
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Hi Ken
That is a beautifull model. I have a few pics of Victory if you are interested.
Holmsey
Now why doesn't that surprise me ? O0 ;D
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Ships wheel and binnacle completed.
Photo is a bit yellowy due to bright sunlight, and it's only February. The wood dust on the deck is where I drilled the holes for the copper eyeleys for the guy ropes of the binnacle.
Photo taken using a Canon G9 in Macro Mode - downside is it enlarges the detail and brings out all the little imperfections.
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Looking great Ken O0
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Ships wheel and binnacle completed.
Photo is a bit yellowy due to bright sunlight, and it's only February. The wood dust on the deck is where I drilled the holes for the copper eyeleys for the guy ropes of the binnacle.
Photo taken using a Canon G9 in Macro Mode - downside is it enlarges the detail and brings out all the little imperfections.
Ken,
If you can get it looking that good on a close up photo, it will be superb when finished........and I thought mine was good.....Excellent amigo.
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Mishap or carelessness?
Re the main companionway. I had built the steps and put them to one side, then I edged the companionway opening.
So far so good. The I offered the steps to the opening to make sure it all fitted before putting up the balustrade around the top.
Horror, I drooped the steps down the companionway opening. unfortunately they didn't come to rest on the deck below( the gun deck) but carried on down the lower companionway into the bowels of the ship where they became impossible to retrieve even if I could get to see them.
Soooooo. I have to wait until JOKita are open in the New Year and persuade them to let me have a new pair of ladder sides and then rebuild the steps.
The joys of modelling - ( My wife thought it funny !!!!!!!)
Hi Ken
Did you ever recover the ladder? Could it be shook out somehow? Does it rattle about loose inside?
Such a beautiful construction. I take my hat off to you O0
Cheers...Ken
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Never did recover the ladder, it's wedged somewhere inside so doesn't move around.
Jokita sent me a new set of sides so I made up a replacement.
Ken
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Must use Aperture Mode on the camera next time and increase the depth of focus.
Picture shows the Beakhead Bulkhead Decoration. The doors are hinged but closed, gunports open.
Pilasters painted. roundhouses complete. Bow timberheads in place.
Next job is the forecastle carronades then the bows
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Looking good Ken O0
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Ken, I have just finished a superb book which was a biography of the battle of Trafalgar. Incredibly interesting to see the story of the battle unfold and just what life was like on board at the time. A lot of personal accounts was used to give a real feel for the conditions which were generally beyond what we could even comprehend.
Putting together such a beautiful model as you are seems quite a fitting tribute to those men who basically helped to shape the country we live in today.
Fabulous model and a pleasure to watch it go together.
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Thanks for the nice comments, much appreciated.
The build has been going for just over a year now, think it will take two more before conpletion.
Hope you won't be bored with the build diary by then !!!!
Every time I go over Westbourne Models , Barry asks me how it is going. I think he wants me to finish it so he can sell me something else !!!! Think he's fed up just selling me Zap and Jotika paints !!!
Ken
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A little more progress. Three photos attached.
One is the stern of the poop deck and shows the knees and flag lockers.
The two of the bows show the head timbers and rails, also the gratings. On the gratings are the stools, hence the expression "going to visit the head ". I wouldn't have fancied that in a howling gale !!!!!
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Photos didn't all get sent
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Amazing.
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Brilliant..
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Time for two more photos.
The one of the figurehead is a bit out of focus..Sorry. The marine walk is in the background.
The other is of the skylight situated on the poop deck. windows are glazed
Currently working on the cat heads
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Ken,
Your standard of work is of the very highest standard. I applaud you and look forward to seeing more of the build. I know it takes a long time...Mine took 3 years and the last of those was just the rigging.....Worth every minute though.
Now get on with those catheads.... :D
Barry
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Catheads completed. so no more on the bows for a while now.
Photo shows the poop deck ballustrade, the bits hanging over it are the hanging points for the fire buckets ( to be added later )
The poop deck ladder can also be seen , going over one of the guns. The bannister to these steps was real fiddly to do, it's made up of three pieces of 1.5mm walnut and had to be horizontal and the top and bottom rail parallel. only a little piece but took several attempts.
Next job is to start on the stern detail
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Excellent Ken, well worth waiting for. O0
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This is an extremely beautiful build. Your work is fantastic.
Are you going to rig it with sails, or bare spars?
Andy
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I'll rig it with just the spars.
It's difficult to get the sails to look just right and to scale.
Also the sails hide the main rigging and them selves cause a lot of additional rigging
But rigging looks as if it's about a year away; hull to finish and then all the tapering of masts and yards
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Ken,
Then add about a year to complete the rigging......Painful but worth it..
Barry
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That really is a superbly made model O0 Fair puts mine to shame, but in all honesty I have to admit mine is all of 7" long being a very old Marinecraft Kit. :)
Currently reading my way through Alexander Kent's Richard Bolitho novels so my interest has been revived. On this topic I am REALLY MAD >:( Just missed a back issue of Model Boats on e-Bay with plans and an article for HMS Boxer, a 12 Gun Brig
Anyone know the date of this issue? Not given on the blurb.
Anyway. Great model mate. Keep it up.
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Oh Dear :( Boobed again :D Should have been HMS Blazer!!!! :embarrassed:
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Hi Ken
Any more progress since June or are you having a break ? {:-{
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Hi ,
laid off modelling in the summer. caravanning, golf and gardening got in the way. back to it again now.
I've completed the stern and quarters, also the entry port and step and fenders. Am now working on the channels.
Photos attached, I hope
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The photos
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Really nice Ken. thought you'd given up.
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Done a little more.
Cahannels, Chains and Rigols in place. next job is the gunport lids.lots of 'em
May take a break and build a lifeboat, something different
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Really taking shape now Ken, wish I had your patience with all that repetition.
Its looking really good.
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Very nice Ken.....but you missed a bit!
Where is the wood and bronze block on the deck that commemorates where the great man fell?
:-)
Rex
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Haven't got round to that yet !!!
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He doesnt want him to trip over it and fall again!!!
Bob
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This is looking fantastic. :-)) I've got to admit I'll never be building something like this.
I'm not crazy ( %%) enough. O0
Mark
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It really looks good, I like those old warships, especially the VOC ships. :-))
Now i`m busy Building A 1/200 model of the Bismarck, it will take almost 3 years when it is finished {:-{
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Hello Ken,your doing a wonderful job on her :-))The Jotika Vic is the best kit around.I ended up buying the Mamoli Vic about five years ago.I wish that I would have saved my pennys to buy this kit {:-{Keep up the great work.Cheers Walter
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it looks realy good. A few days ago I saw the ship on discovery channel and this model looks much like it!!