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Title: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 10:50:32 AM
The boat club iv joined locally to me were on about having their own 500 series class,and asked me if i would like to design somthing for them.
We spoke some more and could nt decide on what style of hull they wanted and left it upto me,so what i decided was if i was to design and build 3 types of hull then we could put it to the vote.
They wanted somthing a little more modern than the brushed series cab cruiser style that nearly all the other clubs run.
The 3 types of hull im working on is a cat,F1 and a mono but these would be designed to run all the same motor,esc,prop,and hardware (strut and rudder assembly) etc.
Iv got do it as cheap as possible for it to be cost effective for the members.
This is what iv got so far:
Hor hardware.
31mm prop
80amp rc max esc
2845,3600 kv,watercooled inrunner motor but also looking at a 450 Heli 2415-07T Brushless Motor 3850kv
2s 3000mah 35c Lipo
iv also got HOR water cooled mount if we decide to go outrunner motor as well as just a normal mount.
Still got to decide whether to use a standard servo or mini servo either which will be metal geared.
Heres the pics of the 1st im building.
Hardware:
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00127.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00128.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00129.jpg)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 10:51:21 AM
500 Cat:
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00133.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00131.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00130.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00134-1.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00132.jpg)
Gonna skin the deck and make a start on the canopy today,will post more pics later ;)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: 6705russell on December 06, 2010, 11:14:33 AM
Hi

You have a PM

Russ
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 06, 2010, 11:40:42 AM
That's a great looking hull!  :-))

1. A stepped hull my be a bit tricky for most modellers... unless you are planning to vac-form the hull.
2. What is the cost of the hardware you gathered?

Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 11:55:18 AM
That's a great looking hull!  :-))

1. A stepped hull my be a bit tricky for most modellers... unless you are planning to vac-form the hull.
2. What is the cost of the hardware you gathered?



Cheers mart.
The plan is to mould and make fibreglass versions as this will cut the build time down and the cost.
The cost of all the hardware is 55,without the motor and escs,but in talks with a surplier to hope fully reduce the cost even more,it will just be the delivery time from HK.
The motor in pic was 16 and the 80amp esc is 20,but if i use the outrunner thats only 9 and the batts are 13 but again in talks with some surpliers to see if i can get them cheaper.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 06, 2010, 12:00:29 PM
Why not just race one off the classes that are ther now ? you will be stuck with a boat that can only be raced at your own club, Club 500 is a cheap class with all the hulls coming from one supplier and are very cheap, you must have a good club if people want top spend that kind of money for a boat, have you tried club 500 yet there are a lot of clubs you can go to race them.

peter
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 06, 2010, 12:01:16 PM

I think cost are going to be important in tempting people to build them., hence why the Slipway Club500 is so popular.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: 6705russell on December 06, 2010, 12:06:33 PM
I think they will look spot on Daz, put my name down for one  :-))

Russ
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 06, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
this would make a cheap all the same hull on the lines of club500

http://www.astecmodels.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_31     the micro F1


http://www.astecmodels.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2_31&products_id=201
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 06, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
Why not just race one off the classes that are ther now ? you will be stuck with a boat that can only be raced at your own club, Club 500 is a cheap class with all the hulls coming from one supplier and are very cheap, you must have a good club if people want top spend that kind of money for a boat, have you tried club 500 yet there are a lot of clubs you can go to race them.

peter

I didnt see him mention a price for these hulls yet?,before making stetements like that why not let him get one built then once he has the moulds for them he can determine what the costs will be for each fibreglass hull.If this hull is withing the rules i see no reason why he shouldnt be able to sell a lot of them,looks like a nice cat hull to me,good to see someone doing something different.If your other designs are anything to go by i think you will have a winner on your hands and once people see them go you will be snowed under with orders im sure.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
Why not just race one off the classes that are ther now ? you will be stuck with a boat that can only be raced at your own club, Club 500 is a cheap class with all the hulls coming from one supplier and are very cheap, you must have a good club if people want top spend that kind of money for a boat, have you tried club 500 yet there are a lot of clubs you can go to race them.

peter

Hey bud hear what your saying but me and some of the guys think things need to brought more upto date, + i will be the surplier also got a couple of the shops interested,im hoping to start producing all the boats i design and build in the new year turning it to a buisness,Optimax H20 models.
and to say that im in talks with surpliers and all the hardware,batts etc will be discounted as im planning on ordering in bulk orders.
The guys at the club have seen my boats run and this is why they asked me to produce somthing different to all the others who knows it may catch on if i can get the cost down enough.
Iv seen 1 of them little f1 and they are ok but need reinforcing before you can add your hardware etc the are quite flimsy hence why im planning on making mine out of fibrglass.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
I didnt see him mention a price for these hulls yet?,before making stetements like that why not let him get one built then once he has the moulds for them he can determine what the costs will be for each fibreglass hull.If this hull is withing the rules i see no reason why he shouldnt be able to sell a lot of them,looks like a nice cat hull to me,good to see someone doing something different.If your other designs are anything to go by i think you will have a winner on your hands and once people see them go you will be snowed under with orders im sure.
Mart

Thanks Mart,who knows how it will pan out.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 06, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
By first appearance I propose the name Club GLS.... Goes Like Stink!  ok2
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 01:27:10 PM
LOL who knows how it will go till it hits the water but should be interesting ;)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 03:54:32 PM
Just finished sanding the edges after getting the top deck and transom skinned.
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00138.jpg)
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Just gotta sort the canopy out now
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 06, 2010, 04:59:44 PM
I take it there's no  snow on your roof Daz, not with all the heat comin' out of that workshop of yours!
Nice work matey, cant wait to see it for real soon.

The hull looks great, just hope you choose the right looking upper section to finish it off.
Incidentally, have you thought of including an "air duct" through the upper canpoy, to help pass cooler air over the electrics? rather than seal the air in [just a thought - shoot me down in flames if you have to -ha ha].
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 06, 2010, 05:44:59 PM
plenty of ice and now here LOL
Youll see it soon enough  :-))
Got a couple of designs for the hatch just not sure which 1 to use yet,either way it will look good (i hope LOL)
The  only thing with air scoops if it flips or rolls it will fill the hull up with water so will have to wait and see ok2
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 06, 2010, 10:45:00 PM
Keep it water tight and make do with a water cooled motor and speed controller.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 06, 2010, 11:42:05 PM
Hey bud hear what your saying but me and some of the guys think things need to brought more upto date, + i will be the surplier also got a couple of the shops interested,im hoping to start producing all the boats i design and build in the new year turning it to a buisness,Optimax H20 models.
and to say that im in talks with surpliers and all the hardware,batts etc will be discounted as im planning on ordering in bulk orders.
The guys at the club have seen my boats run and this is why they asked me to produce somthing different to all the others who knows it may catch on if i can get the cost down enough.
Iv seen 1 of them little f1 and they are ok but need reinforcing before you can add your hardware etc the are quite flimsy hence why im planning on making mine out of fibrglass.


OK so if this had started in the traders section there would not have been the misinterpretation it was just for your club.

Peter

Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 07, 2010, 08:22:30 AM

OK so if this had started in the traders section there would not have been the misinterpretation it was just for your club.

Peter



Give the lad a break have you nothing better to do.This thread is about his new design he isnt advertising anything YET.So he mentioned he may make things into a buisness in the future is that a crime  %),whats wrong you worried your friends at Astec might have competition  O0.I for one hope his hard work pays off,its well deserved.
Carry on Daz your doing a great job  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 08:31:41 AM
1. im not a trader (yet) so dont see the need to put it in the traders section
2. this is the 1st club iv joined and they asked me,and i just added my input.
As it stands at the minute im a hobbyist who enjoys designing and building my own hulls,and i didnt state it was just for our club,all i said was our club wanted to have their own 500 series.
This to me is a bit of a challenge and somthing else to do,also i started this thread to get some feed back and see what others thought it.
Rgds Daz
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: 6705russell on December 07, 2010, 08:34:04 AM
Carry on Daz, doing a fine job there mate...

Russ
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 08:34:24 AM
Give the lad a break have you nothing better to do.This thread is about his new design he isnt advertising anything YET.So he mentioned he may make things into a buisness in the future is that a crime  %),whats wrong you worried your friends at Astec might have competition  O0.I for one hope his hard work pays off,its well deserved.
Carry on Daz your doing a great job  :-)).
Mart

Thanks Mart :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 08:35:36 AM
Carry on Daz, doing a fine job there mate...

Russ

Cheers russ will do :}
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 07, 2010, 10:27:03 AM
Give the lad a break have you nothing better to do.This thread is about his new design he isnt advertising anything YET.So he mentioned he may make things into a buisness in the future is that a crime  %),whats wrong you worried your friends at Astec might have competition  O0.I for one hope his hard work pays off,its well deserved.
Carry on Daz your doing a great job  :-)).
Mart

Martin I have only ever bought one hull off them18 months ago and the service was crap, but the german product good, I was trying to help by putting the link on as it may have been an easy way for them to get going with a cheap nhull he had not said he was going to produce them then or I would not have posted at all.
Peter
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 07, 2010, 10:29:09 AM
1. im not a trader (yet) so dont see the need to put it in the traders section
2. this is the 1st club iv joined and they asked me,and i just added my input.
As it stands at the minute im a hobbyist who enjoys designing and building my own hulls,and i didnt state it was just for our club,all i said was our club wanted to have their own 500 series.
This to me is a bit of a challenge and somthing else to do,also i started this thread to get some feed back and see what others thought it.
Rgds Daz

Good luck with your venture, a faster cheap one make should do well.

Peter
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 11:56:09 AM
Cheers pete
Will see how it goes 8)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 07, 2010, 12:52:50 PM
No problem Peter thanks for clearing that up  ok2,guess i missunderstood what you were saying my appologies  :}.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Just finished the hatch,all it leaves now is to final sand everything do abit of filling and get it sealed ready for glasscloth.
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00143.jpg)
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 07, 2010, 05:29:56 PM
Post arrived with another motor,but not sure if it will cut it.
450 Heli 2415-07T Brushless Motor 3850kv
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00147.jpg)
Which 1 you guys think mmm
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 07, 2010, 07:16:26 PM
If you want an honest opinion, the upperworks lack something, looks too small in comparison to the hull size. perhaps a rear spoiler or something to help balance  things up?
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: knoby on December 07, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
I have thought for a while that there was room for a more modern 'club class' of racing boat, utilising the modern advancement in motor & battery technology. Whilst club 500 is great fun, it can be a little like watching paint dry sometimes & I personally feel that faster boats would make  it considerably more interesting, without increasing the overall cost by much. It would also provide a stepping stone to the faster classes of electric racing by giving an insight into the technology involved & giving competitors experience of setting up models with surface drive, brushless motors & lipo's. Although there is an 'Eco' class, the costs involved in building a competitive boat seem far from 'Eco' in price, & if these boats could constructed for the right price, I feel sure there would be a great deal of intrest in them.
i am so pleased someone has taken up the challenge of building something & wish you the best of luck with the venture

Cheers Glenn.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 07, 2010, 10:42:21 PM
I agree totally, perhaps its time that club racing had a different "slant" as no doubts there is a lot of standard "club 500" users who would like that "bit extra" now, especially after how many years of racing the same boat now.
How many people said that the earth was flat and you could fall off the edge if you went too far away. How many people mocked the invention of the electric light bulb, but where would we be without it now?
things and designs move on every day, but it takes believers to keep the determination going to see it through.....

keep goin' Daz !
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 08, 2010, 09:59:14 AM
Hey guys,iv only seen 1 of the slipway 500s,and to say the least it was abit boring watch LOL
But then when the chairman mentioned starting there own class for this newly setup club and asked me what i thought,i thought it was a great idea and time for me to design and build somthing more modern running the lastest brushless and lipo set ups as thats all i run now anyway + the fact im abit of a speed freak LOL.
I wanted to keep the 500mm size hull as the pool we run on aint the biggest and the bigger hulls i build soon cover it very quickly.
Im confident once iv tried and tested it and started looking at moulding it will be alot of fun,The setup iv chosen should give long efficient run times with some decent speed to add that fun factor aswell as being  fun competitive racing.
The way i see it,RC boats,planes cars etc should be fun and enjoyable,and this is what im hoping will happen/trying to achieve.
Rgds Daz
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 08, 2010, 10:10:16 AM
Here we go,iv mounted the hardware
I still cant decide which motor to run,but thinking the watercooled inrunner will be the best 1.
Heres some pics:
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00148.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00149.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00151.jpg)
(http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00152.jpg)
Gonna make a mount to hold the servo in the sponson
 (http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss219/retic79/DSC00153.jpg)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 08, 2010, 11:06:03 AM
How far out does the rudder post sit Daz? Im a little concerned if the boat was hit from behind by another boat, whilst racing, it could easily wipe it out.
how substantial is the mounting and the rudder?

Don't forget, you have to remember it will be in the water with several other boats, so contact AND  damage is likely to occur and the last thing we want is stranded boats with the rudders knocked off, especially with the shaping of the bow caps.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 08, 2010, 11:42:54 AM
Hey bud,these are strong little units,and accidents are going to happen its racing.
From the transom to the rear edge of the rudder is 75mm.also once moulded in fibreglass i will reinforce the transom with 4mm birch ply for added strength.
This is how surface drives run and will be fine.
Daz
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 08, 2010, 02:19:59 PM
Daz once your happy with the design if you make a top plug and a bottom one so the top fits on like a shoebox it will make joining them so easy using any good sealant,that way you could even offer them unjoined so people can easily fit the gear first then glue the tops on later.I could have a set of moulds done for you in no time m8 along with a cpl of hulls for you to test :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 08, 2010, 03:18:54 PM
Cheers mart,will get in touch soon bud.
looking forward to seeing how this little 1 will do %) %)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 08, 2010, 04:49:50 PM
Im sure it will do just fine   :-)),your only problem will be finding a lake thats not frozen  :}.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 08, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
it will be a while i think before they defrost   >>:-(
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: steamboatbob on December 09, 2010, 01:35:25 PM
oops im drooling again

srry i love small fast boats ill put an order in for 1 or 2 when they are ready daz

but i would have to go with martins idea of having them in 2 halves shipping would also be a little cheaper as box size would come into play

im thinking a 4000 kv inrunner with a x430 prop would do nicely on 7.4 lipo you could possibly get away with a 35 amp esc from hk
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 09, 2010, 01:49:56 PM
If you do them in two halves you can get two boats in one box,i did this with a 46" deep vee managed to get 3 in the one box  :o lol
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gwa84 on December 09, 2010, 04:11:17 PM
hu bud could you post a link to wher you got the motor and esc from as ime looking for a set the same size and the price seems resonable thanks  :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 09, 2010, 06:17:42 PM
oops im drooling again

srry i love small fast boats ill put an order in for 1 or 2 when they are ready daz

but i would have to go with martins idea of having them in 2 halves shipping would also be a little cheaper as box size would come into play

im thinking a 4000 kv inrunner with a x430 prop would do nicely on 7.4 lipo you could possibly get away with a 35 amp esc from hk

Hey steamboatbob,once sorted out i will probably will keep them in 2 halfs,also hoping to do the tops in different colours but gotta see what the expert says.
That set up sounds sweet,but iv 3600kv inrunner,31mm prop and 60amp esc,gonna run it on 2s to start with then just to see how it really goes im gonna do a run on 3s and see what it will do LOL

If you do them in two halves you can get two boats in one box,i did this with a 46" deep vee managed to get 3 in the one box  :o lol

Cool,i need to talk to you anyhows so i know what i need to do.

Cheers guys
Daz

Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 09, 2010, 06:18:35 PM
Well not got much done today,but got a small piece of brass tube epoxied in,this will be finished of and will be moulded with the rest of the hull,leaving only a small hole to be drilled to pass the stuffing tube through then on the mold just fill around the stuffing with epoxy and that will seal and hold it place,rather than cutting a slot and maybe messing up the gel coat,just thought it would make it a little easier on the builder.
The tube used is the id as the od on the stuffing tube.
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I used the watercooled mount and the inrunner to line up and get it where it clears the hatch,but ths way either inrunner or outrunner can be used with out having any issues or moving the mounted etc.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 09, 2010, 08:37:10 PM

I see you had the same problem with the Chinese watercooled mounts I got two like you the wide and narrow the sides are just not long enough to be easily epoxied in to the hull, I think they where for a V hull they must have been producing and they just kept making them, they are also a pain to adjust angle if you fit bolts in stead of hex heads in the sides you can adjust easy with a small spanner if you need to in the future.but with your hatch being wide you should not have to much trouble

peter
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 09, 2010, 08:41:42 PM
Hey pete,yeah not thee not tall enough but never mind,i might make some new 1s if i can find where to get carbon sheet.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 09, 2010, 09:35:32 PM
Hi mate for moulding you need to first decide how your going to join the two parts,my advice would be shoebox as its quick easy and strong.Also you can then offer different coloured tops and bottoms etc,keep it simple  :-)).What you need to do is make the top plug bigger than the hull itself so it overlaps about 1/8" all the way round,fix each plug to a board then when moulded it creates a flange on the mould which makes the mould stronger etc.The other way is make them a seamless join this is more dificult to do as a parting dam needs making arround the hull where the halves will be joined then mould one half then leaving the  mould on the hull its flipped and you mould the other half which creates a perfect  oposite mould and you will then be able to join the two halves in the moulds with a resin bog which when you pop the parts leaves a thin line of resin which needs removing and smoothing over.Then you will need to glass the seam inside also,much more work and too much for such a cost effective budget project maybe?.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on December 09, 2010, 09:54:35 PM

try the top one I used them some years ago for car chassies and as you only want small pieces it mat be cheap

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/



http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/departments/carbon-fibre-sheet.aspx

Peter
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 09, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
Hi mate for moulding you need to first decide how your going to join the two parts,my advice would be shoebox as its quick easy and strong.Also you can then offer different coloured tops and bottoms etc,keep it simple  :-)).What you need to do is make the top plug bigger than the hull itself so it overlaps about 1/8" all the way round,fix each plug to a board then when moulded it creates a flange on the mould which makes the mould stronger etc.The other way is make them a seamless join this is more dificult to do as a parting dam needs making arround the hull where the halves will be joined then mould one half then leaving the  mould on the hull its flipped and you mould the other half which creates a perfect  oposite mould and you will then be able to join the two halves in the moulds with a resin bog which when you pop the parts leaves a thin line of resin which needs removing and smoothing over.Then you will need to glass the seam inside also,much more work and too much for such a cost effective budget project maybe?.

cheers mart was gonna make a parting board and framework as thought it would be easier.the other option was to cut the hull in half then glue it to a piece of board but that aint gonna be easy LOL

try the top one I used them some years ago for car chassies and as you only want small pieces it mat be cheap

http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/



http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/departments/carbon-fibre-sheet.aspx

Peter

Cheers pete ill have a look now :-))
 
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 09, 2010, 10:29:15 PM
You could make your own,all you needs two sheets of glass some carbon and some resin,wax the glass first  ok2.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 10, 2010, 09:42:10 AM
Hey bud will sort it some how,not gonna worry to much about it at mo,just want to get finished for moulding
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 10, 2010, 10:32:43 AM
If you make another deck just oversise with 1/4" depth that would make your top mould,moulding the bottom part would be easy enough even from the existing hull especially if you glue a parting dam to it to form the lip for the mould.A balsa plug will most likeley break when removing it from the mould mind,been there done that so its a one chance thing lol.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 10, 2010, 10:48:38 AM
Alrite mart,the only part that is balsa is the canopy but im going to glass cloth it inside and out to stop it from breaking up,ill have a look at doing another top shortly.
Cheers mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 10, 2010, 11:17:10 AM
No probs mate plenty of time yet,im sure you want to concentrate on getting this one running first etc.Look forward to seeing how she goes  :-)).
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 10, 2010, 12:45:29 PM
Got the servo mount made and installed(ill be using the hor alloy 1 in the fibreglass versions) hole drilled in transom for the brass tube to put the bellow on to,bent z for fixing to the servo horn.
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 10, 2010, 01:15:28 PM
Just sorted out the cooling inlet (through the hull) and the outlet,gonna use the pick thats on the bottom of the strut,if its no good ill do another.
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Iv used some alloy tube for the outlet and sanded it flush.
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 13, 2010, 05:50:33 PM
Well after a couple of crap days iv finnally manage to get this all put together,all thats left now is to final sand it,glass cloth a little filling and paint.
Where everything is at the mo CG is around 35% from transom,and overall weight is 2lbs 1 ounce.
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I am thinking of changing motor to either the outrunner i already got or purchasing the same motor but 4000kv,and also gonna order a 30mm,1.4 prop
:D:D
Was thinking of calling it GLS 500 (Goes like stink 500) Thanks to Martin-admin LOL,think i might run it 1st though mmmmmmmm
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 13, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
Can I ask a side question? (.... well I'm gonna anyway! )  :P

When you say "CG is around 35% from transom" why from the transom?
 I would say the boat actually ends at the prop on an outrigger!
 
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 13, 2010, 06:33:11 PM
Can I ask a side question? (.... well I'm gonna anyway!   :P)

When you say "CG is around 35% from transom" why from the transom?
 I would say the boat actually ends at the prop on an outrigger!
 

I work out the CG based on the length of the hull,which is from tip to transom,then fine tune the CG once in the water but i find working from the transom is the best place to start from.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 13, 2010, 09:45:17 PM
Can I ask a side question? (.... well I'm gonna anyway! )  :P

When you say "CG is around 35% from transom" why from the transom?
 I would say the boat actually ends at the prop on an outrigger!
 

A boats cog is worked out from the transom not where the prop is  O0
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 14, 2010, 02:38:10 PM

Agreed on both counts.

But on a boat like this the CofG would be too far forward when at full flight because only a fraction of the hull would be in the water and the 'moment arm' would be measured from the point of applied force, ie. the propeller. Surely if you could get it right at the design stage, it could eliminate the necessity of trim-tabs! That a point, should the CofG measurement also include the trim-tabs?!!!

Am I being augmentative? Sorry, I live with a teenage son... and he obviously knows EVERYTHING and I think it's rubbing off on me!

Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 14, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
Why not have the "cog" adjustable "to a small degree" by the individual? say by making the battery position/locator moveable?
if this is to be a "club racing boat" this could be one of few "variables" for the individual racer to adjust, within the rules so to speak.  making everything 100% now leaves no option for the individual, but getting the boat 99% allows a little bit of "edge" for  those wanting perfection.

I'm still a little wary of seeing the "result" of 6 or 8 of these in the water in one go, racing around a circuit we have planned, but only time will tell I suppose.

if the boat is going for "retail", then yes, by all means it needs to be 100% "RFT"
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 14, 2010, 03:44:26 PM

Agreed on both counts.

But on a boat like this the CofG would be too far forward when at full flight because only a fraction of the hull would be in the water and the 'moment arm' would be measured from the point of applied force, ie. the propeller. Surely if you could get it right at the design stage, it could eliminate the necessity of trim-tabs! That a point, should the CofG measurement also include the trim-tabs?!!!

Am I being augmentative? Sorry, I live with a teenage son... that obviously knows EVERYTHING!



Trim tabs on a cat ? lol no no no  %%.
Martin people have been using this way of finding a boats cog for years and it works so why over think it   ok2.You cant work out a boats cog at the design stage as each boats different depending on what power, weight and props are used etc it all alters things so every boat has to be fine tuned on the water and things changed if need be.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 14, 2010, 03:47:30 PM

Agreed on both counts.

But on a boat like this the CofG would be too far forward when at full flight because only a fraction of the hull would be in the water and the 'moment arm' would be measured from the point of applied force, ie. the propeller. Surely if you could get it right at the design stage, it could eliminate the necessity of trim-tabs! That a point, should the CofG measurement also include the trim-tabs?!!!

Am I being augmentative? Sorry, I live with a teenage son... that obviously knows EVERYTHING!



Hi mart  my boats are designed not to run trim tabs there designed to be driven on the egde thats the point of tunnels,having the cg where it is at this starting will tell me if it needs to be moved back or forward.And another thing is tunnels/cats/hydros do not run trim tabs any,and any well set up mono does not need them either and this is all controlled by the cg placement,if the nose is light while running move the CG forward a little if its running wet move it back till you find that sweet planeing altitude and maximum speeds of what the electronics will deliver.
When setting up my boats the outboard and the strut are both adjustable,how ever i only ever adjust these if the efficient cg cannot be altered any more,the angle of the prop/strut/outboard is set to neutral position.
Rgds Daz
Why not have the "cog" adjustable "to a small degree" by the individual? say by making the battery position/locator moveable?
if this is to be a "club racing boat" this could be one of few "variables" for the individual racer to adjust, within the rules so to speak.  making everything 100% now leaves no option for the individual, but getting the boat 99% allows a little bit of "edge" for  those wanting perfection.

I'm still a little wary of seeing the "result" of 6 or 8 of these in the water in one go, racing around a circuit we have planned, but only time will tell I suppose.

if the boat is going for "retail", then yes, by all means it needs to be 100% "RFT"

Hey bud the cg is not a 100%,it will be all down to whats being run,yes the motors,esc,hardware will be the same,the batts will make alot of difference,iv got a 2s,3000mah batts made by 1 company,yet the same size batt made by another company is slightly heavier.
Another question is why so wary,it will be no different than having 6-8 of the other boats going round just a little faster,yes there will be accidents its racing an somtimes just unavoidable,Just like driving down the road and some1 hits,its the same thing.
This will be a fun class to participate in if the members are all in agree.
Only time and testing will reveal how this will unfold,and im sure the other members will enjoy it too
Daz
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 14, 2010, 03:48:49 PM
Why not have the "cog" adjustable "to a small degree" by the individual? say by making the battery position/locator moveable?
if this is to be a "club racing boat" this could be one of few "variables" for the individual racer to adjust, within the rules so to speak.  making everything 100% now leaves no option for the individual, but getting the boat 99% allows a little bit of "edge" for  those wanting perfection.

I'm still a little wary of seeing the "result" of 6 or 8 of these in the water in one go, racing around a circuit we have planned, but only time will tell I suppose.

if the boat is going for "retail", then yes, by all means it needs to be 100% "RFT"

I agree having the battery location adjustable so you can use that to alter the boats balance point if need be is a good idea.This said id think that for those wanting to race offering a kit rather than a rtr boat would be a better option so then people can do it the way they want to,but for a sports boater just offer the rtr version with adjustable battery location etc.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 14, 2010, 05:33:53 PM
When we spoke at the last meeting with the members and the chairman (mark) the idea was to have Artr boats,with all the same motor,hardware,esc,prop etc for the members to race each other on the pool,with equal power etc then it will be down to the driver and setup, the battery placement is not fixed anyway,but iv set up like this for balance and cg just to start with and get it on the water and to make sure their is plenty of room for everything to fit,also dont forget that this 1 in the going to be the plug for the fibreglass versions which will have more room inside them,due to the lack of framework that will be inside,so the placement of everything is not the finished result,it will be completly different for the moulded 1s,im only done it like this for getting it on the water and testing the hull design itself,if its fast and handles what ever i throw at it with in reason then i know the fibreglass versions will do as well.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 14, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
I'm with you Daz and don't worry the glass ones will be even easier to setup as you say not to mention nice and shiny  ;).Sometimes people over think things when the best thing to do is test things out on the water just as i know you do with all your designs.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 14, 2010, 06:06:48 PM
I'm with you Daz and don't worry the glass ones will be even easier to setup as you say not to mention nice and shiny  ;).Sometimes people over think things when the best thing to do is test things out on the water just as i know you do with all your designs.

Cheers mart,as you know i test all my hulls to the limit, theres no point in moulding somthing that is useless,especially when my name is on it.
Wait till its painted will be nice and shiny then  :}
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 14, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
All final sanded and filler work,just finished giving the hull its 1st coat of sealer,and already got the hatch glassclothed aswell.
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 14, 2010, 10:17:30 PM
Wont be long now mate  :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 15, 2010, 02:40:52 PM
Nope gonna try and get it in primer shortly fingers crossed ;)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 15, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
Just seal it and run it you can paint it later  :D
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 15, 2010, 05:32:56 PM
^^^^^^^^^ Too late ^^^^^^^
Getting ever closer,its now in primer
just letting it harden up then wet sand it,do any minor repairs that might need doing then ready for the shiny coat:D:D:popcorn::popcorn:
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 16, 2010, 08:43:59 PM
Here you guys what you think ?
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: brodjack on December 16, 2010, 09:20:47 PM
Looks great,very mean :-))

we want a 50" one for gas power now O0
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 16, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
Looks great,very mean :-))

we want a 50" one for gas power now O0

Cheers bud

Funny that,iv designed 1,my mate put it into CAD and i received the plans last week will be starting after new yr,as iv got them form little 500mm to 1500mm,so watch this space :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 16, 2010, 10:58:54 PM
Hi Daz for some reason the pics arent showing up for me  :((.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 16, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
Had to go pro with photobucket id used all my free bandwidth up or somthing like that  {-)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: brodjack on December 17, 2010, 09:01:17 AM
Cheers bud

Funny that,iv designed 1,my mate put it into CAD and i received the plans last week will be starting after new yr,as iv got them form little 500mm to 1500mm,so watch this space :-))

sounds good,keep me informed,i have a few spare monster motors and good experience setting up fast cats.. 8) :}
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 17, 2010, 09:14:37 AM
I managed to finally get alook at the pics,she looks good mate good luck with the maiden.
Mart
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
Cheers,im looking forward to it but the weather is gonna hold me back now >>:-(
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 11:00:20 AM
Here it is finished in all its glory awaiting maiden,but with snow and icey cold weather here again it maybe a while
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 11:04:45 AM
Oh and guess what it floats with no water leaking in around the bolt holes etc.
So far so good JD:D
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Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 17, 2010, 11:27:41 AM

Great colour scheme!  :-))

                                                                                   ..... the c of g looks in the wrong place!  %)
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
Cheers bud.
LOL wont know the cg properly till it hits the wet stuff and gets going :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Roadrunner on December 17, 2010, 11:40:30 AM
Very Interesting & Creative Build.

What's the final build cost so far? And what are you predictions in mass production? You have obviously built this to 'revamp' the original club 500 in a more 'racing style' which needless to say you did a bang up job.  :-))
But to be competitive on the market, cost will be an issues, im sure many members on the forum now have 'itchy' fingers to get hold of one of these new 500 racers (so theres a market there for you)  but cost will be a down side if its to expensive, as its been previously stated the club 500 is a winner for not only its design but its simplicity to build, its cost as well as all the parts included in the kit.
For a little fast electric do you feel that maybe this may be worth competing against such as the 'micro/mini v' rather then the club 500, as you have created a smaller fast electric rather then an all ages 'fun boat'?
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 11:59:05 AM
Thanks roadrunner
So far this build has cost me around 120 with out going back through everything and obviously the cost of the in fibreglass version has yet to be figured out,im still awaiting emails from supplier,but also gonna ring some1 else when he gets back in the country.
Any age will be able to run this boat,both of my lads (13yr and 6yr) will have ago with this 1.
As for competing with what else is out there,dont really take much notice as iv always designed and built my own(apart from the cat my missus got me)so not sure how it will do,i would like to see how much interest is actually out there for somthing like this + the others im looking doing but who knows whats ahead i'll just keep doing what im doing and go from there.
Rgds F1

Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Roadrunner on December 17, 2010, 12:27:38 PM
Thanks for the reply in such short time, very interesting to hear its current cost of 120 thats not bad for what you have produced with a brushless setup. I will keep watch and see what come of this project, you may have just created a new series of 'cat500's' making it a class of its own  :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
No problem.
Just gotta wait now  :D
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: gregk9 on December 17, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
I presume that once you finally get the boat to the glass fibre stage Daz, you will be making alternative  hull colours available, so not all the boats are same base shade!
Looks good  after Paint job !

Have you decided on what clips to hold the canopy on with yet?
Would it be possible to say,have a "hook in lip" on forward edge, then some form of simple clip at the stern end, rather than have to rely on  a roll of sticky tape every time.................
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 17, 2010, 06:30:45 PM
I presume that once you finally get the boat to the glass fibre stage Daz, you will be making alternative  hull colours available, so not all the boats are same base shade!
Looks good  after Paint job !
the hulls will be available in different colour tops and white bottom or even choose a different colour bottom,also will be available in matt white finish if they want to paint them and give it there own touch,im in talks with a glasser now,will keep you posted on how we get on.

Have you decided on what clips to hold the canopy on with yet?
Would it be possible to say,have a "hook in lip" on forward edge, then some form of simple clip at the stern end, rather than have to rely on  a roll of sticky tape every time.................

For the tape will do,iv never had any issues using it,but will look at an alternative at a later date if needs be for now just wanna get it wet and tested :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 17, 2010, 06:46:13 PM
With leccy boats you need to keep it watertight so id stick to using tape m8.
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on December 18, 2010, 11:16:43 AM
With leccy boats you need to keep it watertight so id stick to using tape m8.

Iv never had any problems before using the hatch tape so will keep using it :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on December 18, 2010, 11:21:02 AM
You know it makes sense lol
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 21, 2011, 06:34:29 PM

Well come on then Daz, how is it on the water?!?!?  <*<
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: F1 madness on January 21, 2011, 07:23:48 PM
Hiya mart check it out http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28360.0
 :-))
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: phillnjack on January 22, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
very good little boat




phill
Title: Re: New build-Club 500 class
Post by: martno1fan on January 22, 2011, 09:19:22 AM
Yup great little boat  :-)) :-))