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Title: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 06, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
With a multitude of BISMARCK builds going on in this section, I thought it only fair that her Nemesis, HMS RODNEY should get a little feature. %)

RODNEY was taken off the water late August and has been undergoing refit since. She's a tall old lady, 3 metres, with a pretty large beam. She is currently ten years old. (I've been attracted to that sort for many years, but that IS NOT an accurate description of my wife). :embarrassed:

Main focal points of the refit are:

1. Plank the decks. RODNEY (and NELSON) were planked from stempost to stern. However, I am not going to actually plank the decks, but rather scribe their outlines on bare wood. This is a much less expensive and less time consuming procedure, but if done sympathetically, can look impressive.
2. Fit plating to the ships side. RODNEY had a plated hull and the mould that the model came from had not got this important feature. I must stress from the outset that I did not build the model myself, but acquired it a few years ago as HMS NELSON. Hopefully a successful refit will permit me to claim some credit for how it will look. If the refit does not improve the model, well, I bought it from somebody else didn't I, so not my fault guv ??  It is hoped to present RODNEY in her late 1942 configuration, somewhere around 31st October 1942, the date of my birth.

Attached is an image of her last winter, showing the need for some TLC.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Perkasaman2 on December 06, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
A couple of news films from Pathe concerning HMS Rodney:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=15554

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12483
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 06, 2010, 08:37:57 PM
As the model splits into two sections for ease of transportation, it seems prudent to start on the forward section first. I feel that this section is not so 'involved' and would present a better learning curve prior to tackling the more complicated aft section.

The image shows some of the damage sustained over two years of pretty regular sailing. The starboard bower anchor has been knocked off and the sheet anchor was never there in the first place. There are no hawse pipes to stow the anchor stocks securely in, just shallow recesses. The gunwhales are showing evidence of collisions (not me Chief .....it's the Corvette drivers wot does it!). The refit will provide rubbing strakes to eliminate this damage in future. And finally, the hurriedly applied paint job will be renewed and improved. The image also shows the cable deck planking painted over in the temporary upper deck camouflage scheme. This only lasted less than six months during 1942. The cable deck only sports two anchor hawse pipes instead of three.

First priority is to remove all of the upper deck fittings, the 16" gun turrets, capstans, winches et al. (Do this carefully and try to retain some of the fittings to use again). Then thoroughly strip all paintwork off hull and upper deck.

Cheers,

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 06, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Many thanks for the two video links Perkasaman, I hadn't seen either of them before. :-))

Very impressed with the quality of the second one, the bombardment of Alderney.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Bernd on December 06, 2010, 08:55:41 PM
iiihh.. HMS Rodney..... %% Just kidding! {-)

Great model, I especially like the camo on your model!  O0 Please post more pictures! :-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 06, 2010, 09:06:03 PM
.... as it progresses Bernd, .... as it progresses! ;)

But I would hasten to add, this model refit will in no way be as clinical and accurate as your recreation of the BISMARCK. I shall be using her in 'on the water' pyrotechnic displays, so to rebuild to your excellent standard is not necessary. She also needs to be ready for next year's display season in May, so time is of the essence. :-))

Thank you for your very kind comment.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 06, 2010, 09:22:40 PM
Hull completely stripped of paint and thoroughly washed down. (I used Nitromors with no ill effect to the fibre glass hull or the plywood decks). Hawsepipes manufactured from 5/16" plastic tubing. Apertures drilled and tubing interference-fitted into the holes. Trimmed to fit. The 'stem' will be completely filled with car body filler to secure the hawsepipes inboard and so that any future accidental damage to the bow section can be easily re-profiled, being a solid lump. Anchors (moulded lead amalgam) dry fitted for effect. (The plating will be located under the anchors and over the existing scuttles {portholes} later).

The cable deck has been brought back to bare wood and awaits the 'planking effect'. The 16" gun platform/forward section aperture stripped to bare wood and a new section of ply surrounds this to complete the upper deck aft of the leading breakwater..
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 07, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
Cable deck 'planking' in progress. The red tape marks the end of each plank where it meets the margin plank. It ensures that the ends are 'open' so that they can be 'joggled-in' to the margin plank as is the case on the starboard side. The process seems more tedious than the 100 lines we used to be punished with at school!  As each line is drawn in indelible ink, an accidental curve round a fingertip involves the whole lot being sanded down and started again. The cable deck 'planking' extends up to the first breakwater where a fresh piece of laminate will overlay the existing deck. The rubbing strake (4.8 mm styrene angle) is yet to be positioned around the perimeter of the gunwhales.
A single piece of styrene angle will form the rubbing strake up to the outer extent of the leading breakwater. Aft of that, another piece of styrene angle will lay adjacent to the first, forming a spurnwater beading. A riveted effect is achieved along the length of the rubbing strake by indenting the inner edge with an automatic centre punch, set at the desired pressure of course. The rivets occur at seven per inch so that is a total of 800 rivets each side of the model.

Thanks for looking in.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 07, 2010, 01:39:17 PM
The cable deck with some of its components dry-fitted to evaluate any improvement in looks.

In place, behind the breakwater outline, is the fresh piece of laminate that will form the main deck. This has yet to be 'planked' and stained to suit and the breakwater will disguise the change in contour.

I feel that there is indeed an improvement and that the refit is worth continuing according to plan.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: steve pickstock on December 07, 2010, 02:25:52 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Bernd on December 07, 2010, 09:13:41 PM
Hi,

very nice deck illusion! I guess you´ll seal it with a semigloss clear varnish? BTW, are you re-applying the camo once finished with the reconstruction?

Bye!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 08, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
Hi Yarpie,
The birthdate issue, would not a First World War vessel be more apt??!
Rodney may look a little tatty, but she looks her best in the photo below, taken at Canoe Lake a couple of years ago.  Good luck with the refit.
Alan..
(http://s3.postimage.org/1hw813ev8/IMG_2470.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1hw813ev8/)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 08, 2010, 09:57:37 AM
Thanks for the comments guys.

Bernd, yes I will be reapplying the camouflage scheme, but it will be more correct. When I threw some paint at it two years ago the effect I achieved was close to her camo pattern but not quite correct. This time it will stand the scrutiny of the most pedantic 'anorak'.  ('Anorak' is a term we use in UK for anybody who studies a subject so deeply as to become a bore). %)

Alan, thanks for the image, she looks good in silhouette .... hides all the imperfections as you say! :-)) But the reference to my birthdate,

ohhhhh! you can be so cutting!! Bet you wouldn't say that to my twin sister Big Bertha. <*<
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 08, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
Right, time to start on the tricky bit, the ships side plating and the rubbing strake. The rubbing strake has been 'rivetted' on to the gunwhale. This comprises of 4.8 mm "L" section styrene which has been given a rivetted effect by using an automatic centre punch at small intervals along its length. This creates the illusion of hundreds of rivets. The top row of plating, which butts up to the rubbing strake, is nearing completion whilst the lower row progresses. The top row presents some difficulty where the plating fits over the existing scuttles (portholes). Each hole has to be accurately measured and drilled to fit neatly around the scuttle.

The plating on capital ships is butted up longitudinally, whereas on smaller ships, such as destroyers, there is an overlap at the end of each plate, leading aft.

Below the bower anchor there is a vertical bolster plate, protecting the ships side from damage when hoisting the anchor. The sheet anchor does not have a similar plate as it was used less often.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 08, 2010, 10:34:36 AM
Closeup showing a section of plating offered up to the scuttles to determine whether the holes line up. The plating fits just under the lip of the rubbing strake. Also visible are the guidelines of the lower plating. The plating looks pretty stark against the hull, but will look better once an overall grey primer is applied.

Thanks for looking in and I hope that this 'anorak' isn't boring you too much ....... %)

BTW Alan, good work on your SS OHIO build. Looking very strong and robust. Have you made any headway on how to secure the two destroyers HMS PENN and HMS LEDBURY alongside?
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 08, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
Intrigued by references to Big Bertha, is she single? Attaching destroyers, am considering some sort of '50 pence a go' event at the lakeside, with a nailgun!!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unicorn on December 08, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)   

            Big Bertha isn`t she just an unbuilt"Naughty Lass"
                                                         
                                                                                       {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 08, 2010, 01:52:40 PM
Very good Unicorn, very good. O0
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 08, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
Plating completed on the starboard side.  Both anchors are now located firmly in their hawsepipes. The angle of both anchors is correct, the angle is shallow. The plating still looks pronounced but allowances have been made so that the final camouflage coat will subdue the whole effect. Just the simple task of the port side to complete.

Thanks for viewing.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Perkasaman2 on December 08, 2010, 11:32:07 PM
I've 'trawled' another couple of precious 'Pathe' films of this great battleship:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=8876

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=55816





Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 09:46:33 AM
Once again Perkasaman, very many thanks for the clips.

Just love the 'very English and very clipped commentary'. ok2
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 10:40:12 AM
View of the forward section, port side, complete with grey primer.  "A", "B" and "X" gun turrets in situ. The plating is still fairly prominent in places on the ships side, but the camouflage pattern will rectify this.  "B" gun turret elevation has been modified, (more later) but the diameter of the barbette is still too small. All three turrets will have their camouflage pattern repainted in alignment with the ships side pattern.

It has taken about two months to get the model to where she is when the image was taken. Longer than anticipated, but some things never change ......  %)

Cheers.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
There was a distinct 'droop' on RODNEY's "B" turret elevation which needed to be cured.

A quick application of some blue tablets O0 down each spout didn't cure the problem so a mechanical fix had to be applied. ;)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 11:25:29 AM
'B' 16" gun turret elevation modifications.
To correct the 'droop' it was necessary to determine how it was all constructed. The original model builder could not remember so it was down to trial and error when it came to dismantling the turret.
It transpired that the turret moulding was glued to the baseplate, so the moulding was carefully prised away from the baseplate. Unfortunately part of the baseplate came away with the moulding leaving a large hole.
The barrels were held together with silicone and held down to the baseplates with it as well. Over time the silicone had deteriorated and lifted, letting the three barrels droop.
To overcome the problem, and to bring the elevation of the barrels into line with the other two turrets, a little trestle was made, much the same as the old village stocks. The three barrels would rest on this at their midway point whilst the breech ends of the barrels would be secured firmly to the baseplate. Simple enough. But no, one of the barrels was shorter than the other two so a spacer had to be made for that one in order to keep the barrels horizontally in line.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 11:31:40 AM
Next task was to align the other barrels fore and aft and at the same elevation as the centre barrel. Meanwhile, the barrels should be in line at the 'business end' with each barrel centralised in the turret cover apertures.

It was simple enough to achieve this and securing the barrels to the platform at the breeches was done by the use of electrical cable clamps. The masonry nail that was supplied with the cable clamps was removed and some well known servo screws inserted instead and screwed to the baseplate. These were then copiously covered in glue and should remain secure.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 11:37:28 AM
The baseplate hole was then repaired and the turret buttoned up.

Just have to apply filler to the gaps in the join and respray prior to camouflage painting.

Never worry about doing a 'mod' on a model. Once its completed you wonder what all the apprehension was about. 8)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 11:44:34 AM
All turrets and barrels in line now.

The Walrus ("Shagbat") is perched on its catapult atop 'X' turret. For the more astute of you, she is in British Pacific livery. The bolts either side of 'X' turret on the bulkhead hold both sections of the model together. This arrangement proves to be 100% watertight even after four or five hours on the water. The only times that there appears to be water ingress is after prolonged spells of going astern. This tends to force small amounts of water up the prop shaft tubes and into the stern section. But not enough to be a problem. The prop shafts are lubricated with white silicone grease regularly.

More soon. Thanks for your continued interest.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: derekwarner on December 09, 2010, 12:35:02 PM
Yarpie....good to see the "B" turret elevation corrected   O0 ....

HMS Rodney was clearly before my time.......but I do understand the hydraulic principals with her gunnery/ordanance systems........Derek
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 01:24:30 PM
Cheers Derek, the elevation problem was pointed out consistently by a colleague at lakeside so I hope that he's looking in now.

I'm thinking of marrying up both sections soon at lakeside and go for a mid winter sail, sort of "before and after" three dimensional illustration.

But I already know what the response (by clubmates) will be as to the worth of refitting her. (So all that work will apparently be for nought). <*<
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Canopus on December 09, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
If its not too late one thing you may want to look at is the diameter of the barbettes under each of the turrets as typically they are wider than the turret, albeit perhaps not so pronounced in Rodney as earlier/other battleships.

Keep the pictures comming as its nice to see an older model refurbished and to retain the original charater.

Geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 09, 2010, 01:55:55 PM
Geoff,

agreed.  I have indeed done that on "B" turret and even painted the traversing lip where it shows. I haven't created barbettes for "A" and "X" turrets in order to keep topweight down. In real terms "A" and "X" barbettes were only about 3' high, which is half an inch in 1:72 scale. But I do take your very valid point.

Cheers. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 10, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
The camouflage pattern has been applied to the forward section now.

This image shows the port side scheme and also highlights the change in width of the rubbing strake/gunwhale capping.  The difference takes place where the leading breakwater meets the ships side at the aft end of the cable deck. Aft of that it doubles in width forming a spurnwater beading which then leads aft to the quarterdeck.

Colours used in the camouflage pattern, Admiralty code first:

MS1:  Humbrol Tank Grey Matt 67.
MS2:  Humbrol Sea Grey Matt 27.
B5:    Humbrol Intermediate Blue Matt 144.
507C: Humbrol Light Grey Matt 147.

On the starboard side of the forward section a different colour is included as well:

MS3: Humbrol Slate Grey Matt 31 (which has a greenish appearance).
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 10, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
Starboard side pattern. The Slate Grey colour is visible halfway along the ships side.

This was state of play mid October this year.

Cheers,

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 10, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
Refit coming along nicely, on time and under budget?? I shall miss the droopy guns. I assumed they were at that angle to allow the crew to scrub out the barrels before ramming another cannon ball down the muzzle.. Shows what I know.
I am progressing on a method of connecting destroyers to SS Ohio. Will post a sketch on the Ohio thread after I get my quills out.
Alan..
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 10, 2010, 07:32:37 PM
Cheers for that Alan.

By the way, congratulations on your 25th post and therefore becoming a 'full Mayhemmer'. (Something your clubmates always suspected). How many posts are required before becoming a complete anarchist?  %% :D
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 10, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
I wasn't counting, but many thanks. I dont know about the anarchist bit, however my membership for 'The Guild of Village Idiots' is due for renewal next week!! :-X
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Shipmate60 on December 10, 2010, 09:17:56 PM
Don't worry Alan, your membership is fully secure.
How come it took you so long to join us, I have been prompting you for years.

Bob
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 10, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
Hi Bob,
I couldn't think of anything to say!!
Now they can't shut me up.... %%
Alan..
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 12, 2010, 08:12:08 PM
The upper deck prepared for final glue-down. The light in the garage has a yellow tinge so the photo has a strange light. The main gun deck sits one level above the cable deck and is separated by the forward breakwater which shelters the Torpedo/Paravane handling rooms. RODNEY had two underwater 24" torpedo tubes fitted at launch. The spurnwater on the main gun deck creeps further inboard than on the cable deck. The aperture on the main deck gives an idea of how much space is available in the forward section of the hull. Dissimilar woods have been used on cable deck/main gun deck but judicious staining and upper deck clutter will make it not too obvious. The main gun deck is propped beside the hull ready for placement.
(Cake decorating skills kindly provided by Padnell Park Womens Institute). %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 12, 2010, 08:22:20 PM
Main gun deck fitted and held down overnight by no fewer than 10 lead acid batteries. This is when it pays to have one's own mini Fleet, a copious supply of pukka and discharged batteries on tap. ;)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 12, 2010, 08:44:28 PM
Perhaps I should explain the 'Fleet':

Left to right.

1:96 scale RC HMS ESKIMO (served on board 1974-76). Deans kit, my second build.
1:96 scale HMS CAVALIER (served on board 1969-72). Deans kit, my first build.
1:72 scale HMS TEAZER (served on board 1958-59). Fleetscale hull, rest scratchbuilt. Starred "The Bulldog Breed" Norman Wisdom.
1:72 scale HMS UNDAUNTED (served on board 1962-64). Fleetscale hull, rest scratchbuilt. D-Day Eisenhower/Ramsay fast passage fame.
1:72 scale HMS PRETORIA CASTLE. Club mould and scratchbuilt. Passenger 1948 as SS WARWICK CASTLE.
1:72 HMS RODNEY. No affliliation. Club mould, scratchbuilt (but not by me). Undergoing current refit.

It would be nice to build all ten of the warships I served in, but there isn't the room nor the time! <:(
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Lord Bungle on December 12, 2010, 10:07:31 PM
a very nice and impressive fleet you have there, time and room seem to be the bane of everyone on here  {-)  got growled at today for suggesting I buy a larger shed {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 15, 2010, 11:50:24 AM
Lord Bungle, luckily I managed to modify the garage so that the car won't fit in it! If you can convince 'er indoors that a second (chest) freezer is a necessary addition to the garage .......

Next job, applying the "rivets" to all three triple 16" gun turrets.

I have a choice of two methods:

Method 1. Using the smallest needlework pins on the market, drilling 235 tiny holes in each turret roof and gluing-in the shortened pinheads individually.

Method 2. Using a homemade template, and using a cocktail stick to apply a tiny drop of thick superglue to where each rivet is located and quickly applying a squirt of cyanoacrylate activator. (This would instantly dry the drop of superglue whilst it still had a peak).

There are no prizes for guessing which option I chose. %)

The two attached images describe the process, but unfortunately I don't possess a camera with a macro facility, so cannot show a close up of the individual rivets (over 700). Perhaps at a later date when a colleague comes round with a better camera.

Thankfully, I am pleased with the effect and it's the first time I ever tried it. But I must admit that my eyeballs felt hollow at the end of the exercise. %%

Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate your continued support and input. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 15, 2010, 11:59:51 AM
Turrets repainted but still requiring the guardrails and other items that were stowed on top, such as Carley floats.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 15, 2010, 12:02:08 PM
"A" turret, showing the rivets.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: steve pickstock on December 15, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
They look great, I look forwards to your posts.


You missed one method that someone on here used on a Flower. Superglue pieces of glitter into place as the rivet heads. Equally mind-bending but always another option.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 15, 2010, 02:24:26 PM
Thanks Steve.

Images of turrets with guardrails added, PLUS ........

Tompions (with ships crests) in the ends of the muzzles.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: gingyer on December 15, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
Looking really good there  :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 18, 2010, 03:16:46 PM
Cheers gingyer, it's all coming together slowly but surely. I estimate that the forward section will be complete by Christmas, giving me four and a half months to complete the aft section, and therefore the whole model, by 18th May 2011 (C-in-C Home's birthday) and the start of the display season.

Like a fool I counted the upper deck ventilation inlets on some plans and discovered that there are 80 (assorted shapes and sizes) on the forward section alone. :o  But I am not going to include every one, just a representative 60 or so. There are hatches, cable reels, booms, gantries as well, all adding to too much clutter to the upper deck and I don't want to overdo it.

The image shows the making of just some of the ventilation inlets and trunkings involved.  The broader trunkings on the right fit around 'B' gun barbette (now increased in diameter to be of correct size).

We've had our third heavy snowfall in a year down here today and I'm just waiting for some bright spark to knock on my door with a view to discussing global warming........... <*<
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 18, 2010, 03:35:39 PM
This image shows the forward section with its 'decking' illusion. Strong sunlight darkens the deck colour down a bit in the photograph, it's a lot lighter than it looks. The gloss effect on the deck is created by the stain/varnish coatings, and I have further protected the finish with a polyeurathne spray matt varnish.

Ships side has now been treated with two deep coats of satin clear polyeurathane varnish too, so its just a case of fitting the upper deck clutter and job jobbed!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: maninthestreet on December 19, 2010, 12:55:44 PM
So where's the snow???
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 19, 2010, 04:02:29 PM
Aha maninthestreet!  Good question.

Sorry to mislead you. :embarrassed: The last image in the thread was taken 16th November this year. Plenty sunshine, no snow! ;)

The refit is actually further down the road than the image reveals, and, as I said in a recent post, the forward section is expected to be completed by Christmas. All that is required is the fitting of the upper deck clutter, which I was doing yesterday amid 4" of snow. But I didn't want to lug a three metre lump of flotsam (or is it jetsam?) out into the snow just to photograph it.

To date, the cable deck and anchor chains are in situ; all three breakwaters are fitted. The torpedo handling hatch assembly is in place with its attendant spars. The torpedo/paravane handling rooms have been affixed to leeward side of the forward breakwater. Most of the upper deck hatches are in place as well as 50% of the mushroom vents and barbette trunkings.

Hopefully next week I will get an image of the completed pointy bit (weather permitting) and perhaps marry both ends together in order to get a 'before and after' representation of the refit.

But many thanks for your observation and thanks for looking in. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on December 19, 2010, 04:43:26 PM
where did you have 4" of snow yesterday ? im by the historic dock gates where it was only a couple of inches deep , then the sun had melted most of it away by lunch time ! i know it was trying today , just as i arrived at the lake , it propmtly stopped just after id got home again ! the lake is starting to freeze over at the peir end ! ! are any of your members involved with the charity lake of lights evening this week ?
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:26:11 PM
The forward section today, almost complete:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:27:42 PM
More:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
Some more:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
And again:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
By the way, on the "Warships Navy Military" page, under subjects, in the left margin, this subject has a 'pages with a pen and a dark background' symbol. I've gone to the bottom of the page to see what the legend means but it's not featured.

I've not noticed it on any other thread either. What does it signify please?  I'm not paranoid, honest. %%

Anyway, final two images.

I hope that you feel that the refit has improved the forward section, so with your approval, I will attack the aft section in the New Year.

Happy Christmas and a Peaceful and Prosperous New Year to all you Maymemers! :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 20, 2010, 04:45:34 PM
Just a reminder of what she looked like four months ago:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on December 20, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
a vast improvement Yarpie now get stuck into the stern section.
Well done so far.
Geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 20, 2010, 05:47:33 PM
Looking very tidy indeed. An incentive to our other members to give some of their models a ' bit of a going over' before the new season, maybe?
Or do what I do and just slap some rust on!!!  :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Perkasaman2 on December 20, 2010, 06:08:52 PM
Watching this rebuild has reminded me that super detail is'nt necessary or essential to have a great model, whatever scale is chosen. There's more than enough features on this and most other subjects to make a really  impressive model. This is a large build by any standard and it will look superb  in or out of the water and inspire. In my book, a less detailed working model like this is worth five fragile exhibits collecting dust on a shelf or in a museum. The cammo paint scheme is awesome at this scale.  
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 21, 2010, 03:40:04 PM
Many thanks gentlemen for your very kind comments. %)

Alan, I didn't need to try your add-rust tip. I bought some 'brass' eyelets from a stall and fitted them (200) as scuttles. Didn't take long for the salt water at Canoe Lake to suss them as frauds! :(( Had to drill-out and replace the lot. %%

Perkasaman, I am touched by your erudite comment. Your views have inspired this relative 'beginner' to recommence the refit as soon as possible (but probably not Christmas Day).

By way of a Christmas card to you all, a series of images taken this morning in the remnants of the latest snowfall. These photos show the clean lines of the forward section against the rather battered and forlorn lines of the aft section. The natural daylight shows the correct colouring of the 'decking' effect (and camouflage) and how effective a pen can be rather than individual planking. (Although simulated planking is nowhere near as satisfying as the real thing).

I didn't get the opportunity to marry both ends together as my little digi-camera isn't good enough to capture detail close-in. But I'm sure that the afficionado's out there can concieve just how it fits together.

Once again, Seasons Greetings to all and thanks for looking in.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 21, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Next two:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Shipmate60 on December 21, 2010, 04:11:04 PM
Just room to add an additional centre piece and have a Super G3.

Bob
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 21, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
Now there's a thought Bob!

But what about the legion of lurking 'anoraks' out there? They'd have a field day! <*<

Next two:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 21, 2010, 04:31:41 PM
And finally the last two images which clearly show the need for a refit and revamp. But is there an improvement?

My thanks at this time must go to the two guys who built this model in the first place, without their initial efforts I wouldn't have had a clue where to start.

Cheers guys. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 21, 2010, 05:12:55 PM
Now there's a thought Bob!

But what about the legion of lurking 'anoraks' out there? They'd have a field day! <*<

Next two:



I'll keep them at bay, with my extensive knowledge/made up stuff!! :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 21, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
Thanks Alan, you're like a father to me......the one I've yet to trace ......... <:(

......O font of all wisdom and fings wot float. %)

Merry Christmas mate. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: cos918 on December 21, 2010, 07:48:21 PM
Hello
I have been watching this refit and I think you are doing a great job. Th planking looks great. How do the two half join togther?

John
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on December 21, 2010, 08:40:37 PM
i think the two halves bolt together ! , the front is looking good although im not sure about the ideas of weathering a model , the elements of time over its use can do a pretty good job , especially in that salty water that we are running in ! jon
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: steve pickstock on December 21, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
You must weather the ship, any one who looks at ships, sees the weathering.

We were singing the quality of this rebuild, and the thread in general, in the pub tonight, for me it is a stand out thread. There are some modellers on here whose work is so far above what I can do, it's unreal, I can see myself doing what you're are doing - if I had the room.

Top work man, top work.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 22, 2010, 12:48:57 PM
Thanks for your comments guys. :-)

cos918: As Triumphjon suggests, both ends bolt together. It's a simple arrangement, both bulkheads are flush; with the forward section bulkhead housing three captive bolts. The aft section has three facilitating holes and when both ends are married-up they are secured with rubber washers, backing steel washers and wingnuts. This arrangement has proved 100% watertight in the past but only if the rubber washers are carefully put in place. The only water ingress is sometimes by way of prolonged periods of going astern, where small quantities of water can be pushed back up the propeller tubes. Critical point is when the model is lowered into the water with all of the ballast in situ. There are stresses to both bulkheads and the whole model tends to sag just a little at the join! I may in future lower the model into the water minus the ballast just to relieve the stresses on both model and owner! %%

Steve, I take your point about weathering on ships. This is something that manifests itself moreso on commercial shipping than warships (although the iconic image of HMS HERMES returning from the South Atlantic in 1982 would tend to belie this statement). There's more bullsh*t on RN ships than commercial ones, after all, in commerce, time is money. Weathering to the modeller is also a preference and some poor attempts at weathering would have been better left alone. Conversely, I have seen some brilliant examples where the weathering has been subtly applied and usage has enhanced the effect. One example is unbuiltnautilus's ORCA. Outstanding. I must go along with Triumphjon's idea for the time being as far as RODNEY is concerned. The salt water content of where we sail, combined with regular usage, may soon provide some natural weathering. If not, I will take lessons from some of the guys and 'slap some rust on' as has been suggested earlier in the thread. And weathering was an important feature during wartime operations, especially amongst the hard worked escorts, Destroyers, Corvettes and Armed trawlers. By comparison, capital ships, such as RODNEY, spent a lot of time alongside the wall. But Steve, I am flattered to think that my refit has been discussed in the local pub! :embarrassed: :embarrassed: Next time mate, it's my round! Thank you very much for your kind comment and Seasons Greetings to you and yours. :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on December 23, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
Thanks Alan, you're like a father to me......the one I've yet to trace ......... <:(

......O font of all wisdom and fings wot float. %)

Merry Christmas mate. :-))


Thanks for the kind words regarding my, now approaching 24 year old Orca. Its nice to see your HMS Rodney thread outstripping my SS Ohio thread, I must work harder on that, and the best insults are truly those you have to think about...Keep up the good work and Merry Christmas one and all, remember us here in the shop over this happy time of year though... >>:-( <:( <*< >:-o {:-{
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: dave301bounty on December 24, 2010, 07:52:59 PM
Yarpy, your Rodney is a beaut ,how did you get the skills ,re Orca i have one ,needs engines etc ,but the chap who built her was a master at weathering .But i really would love to see your model HMS Rodney on the water ,bet she,s stunning .well done .an all the best  4 Chrismas and New year .301   
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 26, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
Dave,

this is a video of RODNEY on the water just prior to going into refit, shot by a colleague.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CC3jXXYK-4

As can be seen in the clip, she is in need of her current refit.

Scale speed is slightly in excess of her modest 24 knots, but the excess helps to 'kick' her round in her very sluggish turning circle (which is just about scale).

With a model of these proportions, its possible to get the vessel going through the water instead of bobbing on the surface. I still miss having her on the water most weekends, but come the Spring ......  :}

Thanks for your very kind comment and I hope to be tackling the forward section after the holiday.

Yarpie.

Oooops! the kink appears to be duff!  Will try another...... :embarrassed:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on December 26, 2010, 02:05:15 PM
you will need an ice breaker this wekend , ive just cycled down to the lake and its frozen over 99% of it , the only small patch of water is occupied by a swan !
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on December 26, 2010, 02:28:06 PM
Perhaps not this weekend triumphjon, I'm entertaining family today.

Lovely day with daughter and grandchildren yesterday, so today is the turn of both sons and their offspring to visit us.

Its a case of striking a balance between family and hobby. O0

Minus 3.5 degrees C when we left Liphook this morning and I haven't swung a golf club in anger for a month now. :((

Roll on global warming........ {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: dave301bounty on December 26, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Yarpie ,that video ,is proof of a fine looking job .Im sure you,d get the into a movie ,,got a great appearance ,,very realistic .good man .
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on January 02, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
Delighted to report that I had RODNEY on the water today. The refitted front end was bolted to the tatty back end and she sailed again for the first time in four months. Most people liked the effect of the refit and wondered when I was going to tackle the front end ...... <*< <*< {-)

A good friend and colleague took some photos for me and I will post some when they come through.

But great to have the old girl on the water again. There's something serene about the way she carves her way through the water.

RODNEY (3 metres and stationary) was rammed in the stern by a yellow fast thing (3 inches long and doing 40 knots). Now there's a David and Goliath situation for you. Guess what colour came second in the contest.

Or was the question too difficult? %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on January 02, 2011, 09:01:15 PM
and the poor little yellow job didnt go very well upside down ! new paint jobs have the same effect as the yellow flashing lights on my truck , they have a magnetic effect to passing traffic ! thats quite a contrast between the old and new restoration , good work . jon
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on January 14, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
Image of RODNEY on the lake Sunday last.

Hopefully there IS an appreciable difference and I can confidently continue with the stern section.

It is now stripped of all fittings and undergoing Nitromors treatment.

Sandy.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Ticonderoga on January 21, 2011, 01:10:15 PM
She is looking good already, can't wait to see the reminder of the refit.

Andrew
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on January 21, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
Very many thanks Andrew.

I sincerely hope that all is well with you and yours down there in Queensland. Dreadful flooding which will have its effects for years to come.

Haven't done too much with the aft section lately, too much jockeying around with numerous cancelled hospital appointments. :((

Once that is resolved I can then apply what is left of my mind to restructuring the refit programme. %%

Take care over there............

Sandy.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Ticonderoga on January 23, 2011, 11:59:50 AM
You are very welcome Sandy.

Thanks for the kind thoughts re the floods, my family and friends are all ok, high and dry, but luckier than plenty of other people.

Andrew
 :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on January 23, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Andrew,

just hope that Shorncliffe escaped the worst of it as well.  Met the lovliest of girls from there when we visited Brisbane on HMS BULWARK 44 years ago. Will never forget her. <:(

Take care.....

Sandy.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Dave13 on February 03, 2011, 06:18:38 PM
Thats a really nice model you have their  :-) how much dose she weigh? And is it a back braking exercise putting her in the water?  :-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 03, 2011, 08:15:10 PM
Dave13,

thank you for your kind comment.

Truth is, I've never actually weighed RODNEY, but it certainly is a two-man job lowering her into the water using commercial vehicle timing belts!  I might even weigh her for you tomorrow as the question has arisen before. Suppose it would be interesting to find out myself. %) But I have to be careful what I say as I may run out of volunteers when it comes to launching and recovery in the future. O0

Sandy.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Dave13 on February 04, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
Hi
LOL the only reason I ask is I'm building a model of HMS Dreadnought in 1:96 scale
and that thing looks to weigh about 4 stone!!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 04, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
Hi
LOL the only reason I ask is I'm building a model of HMS Dreadnought in 1:96 scale
and that thing looks to weigh about 4 stone!!

Displacement in tons as follows; HMS Dreadnought 21845 tons divided by 96 divided by 96 divided by 96 multiplied by 2240 =55.3 lbs, this assumes the waterline is adhered to and the hull form is correct, I tried it for HMS Rodney at 1/72 scale and came out with a substantially higher figure, however I believe Yarpies Rodney, like the Cuckoo, is ocupying somebody elses nest :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: jinks8 on February 04, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
will just say one thing 100% :-)) :-)) :}
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 04, 2011, 07:37:54 PM
Displacement in tons as follows; HMS Dreadnought 21845 tons divided by 96 divided by 96 divided by 96 multiplied by 2240 =55.3 lbs, this assumes the waterline is adhered to and the hull form is correct, I tried it for HMS Rodney at 1/72 scale and came out with a substantially higher figure, however I believe Yarpies Rodney, like the Cuckoo, is ocupying somebody elses nest :-))

Very good unbuiltnautilus, I like your maths. :-))

Having had my broadband down this afternoon, and with nothing better to do, I thought it may be an idea to trot the bathroom scales down to the workshop. And with a wonderfully unscientific method of weighing the brute, she came out at 95 lbs, including batteries and ballast.  Don't know if your calculations came to anywhere near this unbuiltnautilus, but I feel that as the waterline is about right, 95 lbs isn't too far out.

I hope that this revelation doesn't deter my colleagues from launch or recovery duties in the future! {:-{
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on February 04, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
if you think HMS Rodney is heavy try launching and recovering unbuitnautilese's galleon it ways 10 tone  :o
well i think it does it defiantly feels like it %) :embarrassed: {-) %% %% %%
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on February 04, 2011, 11:46:27 PM
then when divided as you are only lifting each end its not that bad to lift , if all else fails you will have to devise a lifting crane at the pondside !
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 05, 2011, 11:28:32 AM
Ben,

I would venture that u-b-n's galleon may be a similar weight, but in light of the cumbersome nature of square-riggers, they are much more difficult to launch. Hand holds are difficult to find and the hull needs to be swung out further to avoid damage to the protruding cannons.

Having launched and recovered GB's HMS AJAX a few times I can testify to the difficulty.

However, the Team have launched and recovered larger vessels (HMS VICTORY for instance) without the use of cranes or any other similar contraptions for over ten years now without incident. That's the beauty of 'teamwork'. %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 05, 2011, 11:44:30 AM
will just say one thing 100% :-)) :-)) :}

Forgive my rudeness in not thanking you earlier for your kind comment jinks8. Normally I respond quicker than this. :embarrassed:

Sandy.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 05, 2011, 12:29:50 PM
Ben,

I would venture that u-b-n's galleon may be a similar weight, but in light of the cumbersome nature of square-riggers, they are much more difficult to launch. Hand holds are difficult to find and the hull needs to be swung out further to avoid damage to the protruding cannons.

Having launched and recovered GB's HMS AJAX a few times I can testify to the difficulty.

However, the Team have launched and recovered larger vessels (HMS VICTORY for instance) without the use of cranes or any other similar contraptions for over ten years now without incident. That's the beauty of 'teamwork'. %)

I think HMS Dolphin weighs in at about 40 to 45 lbs, however HMS Canopus and SMS Scleiswig Holstein weigh about 175 lbs light load i.e. without ballast such as 110 amp Leisure battery, pyrotechnic effects and slightly tubby club members :-))   and we all LOVE helping to launch them!!!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on February 05, 2011, 05:28:42 PM
but when you do and you drive in it around the lake i thinks its worth it {-) %% 

sit in battle ships are awsome :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :}
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on February 05, 2011, 05:34:26 PM
but when you do and you drive in it around the lake i thinks its worth it {-) %% 

sit in battle ships are awsome :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :} :}

Radio control battleships are pretty cool too, especially ugly ones %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on February 05, 2011, 05:43:33 PM
i love mtbs there perfect their fast theyve got weapons and i can use my newest on in operation pedastall hopefully yarpie have you decided on the looking after of the galleons yet
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: triumphjon on February 05, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
having seen various launching methods over the years , i think that the method operated at the old cheddar models factory site is probably the best , with less likelyhood of injury , where you launch models at just over waist height !
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 05, 2011, 07:48:14 PM
i love mtbs there perfect their fast theyve got weapons and i can use my newest on in operation pedastall hopefully yarpie have you decided on the looking after of the galleons yet

I e-mailed you about that on Thursday morning Ben. Check your inbox, it contains good news. :-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on February 05, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Radio control battleships are pretty cool too, especially ugly ones %)

Read and understood u-b-n! O0  And like dog owners, sometimes the drivers begin to look like their charges..........  :D
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on March 31, 2011, 08:04:36 PM
Glad to report the commencement of the second part of the winter refit (after a two-month lay off). :-))

A few medical problems (top to toe inclusive and stations in between! :embarrassed:) and a freezing workshop have hindered progress.

At present working on actually planking the shelter deck, which includes the mainmast and boat deck. This whole structure, bridge, funnel, boat deck, mainmast and aft director platform lifts off to give access to the electronics which drive and steer the model.

I've decided not to do too much to this section in order to leave some of the original build visible, as a tribute to the original builders who made the model over ten years ago.

The intention at the start was just a 'tidy-up', by applying 'plating' to the ships sides and simulated decking, but as in most cases, this becomes more complex as it advances.

Photos to follow as it all progresses. %)

Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on March 31, 2011, 08:28:25 PM
As promised, some images of the shelter deck, stripped of fittings preparatory to actually laying planking.

The deck needs to be sanded back to bare wood and evened prior to laying the planks. I shall use my own method of caulking the laid planks and see how it compares to other more tried and tested procedures.

As evidenced in the images, the ships boats have been removed (for refurbishing) and the two new 50' steam pinnaces are shown too. So also is the forward 8 barrelled Pom Pom platform, 4" guns, Oerlikons and associated directors.

Plenty to do, so here are a few images to be getting on with. %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on March 31, 2011, 08:49:55 PM
good to see more works being done on the beautiful giant :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 01, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
The planking continues .......

The margin planks have been fitted around the starboard contours. Having checked to see that the bridge line is parallel to the shelter deck edge, I find that it isn't. {:-{ However, I can live with this.

Planks are laid in a five-plank repeat pattern, starting at the centreline and working outboard. I understand that this was the way it was done in the real world. The reason that I didn't just cut out a sheet of 3 ply and scribe the planks on it (as in the case of the maindeck) was because I couldn't fit the 3 ply access hole over the existing tripod mainmast, which steadfastly refused to budge. %)

The pursuit of the perfect scale caulking goes on, but I think I have located it. ok2

One of the very best methods, which produced outstanding results is found here.:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...2288&start=220

Post: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:43 pm gives the details.

As you can see, the planks have actually been 'formed-in' to the margin planks, requiring a huge amount of detailing and effort. I think that the builder has spent far in excess of eighteen months on the planking alone, something I haven't got the time for.

I've attached a couple of images of RODNEY's planking so far. I'm relatively happy with the effect to date, bearing in mind that the caulking needs to be run-in and the planking sanded to a smooth finish. This will reduce (but not entirely eliminate) the uneven effect given at the moment.

The run-out on the starboard bridge wing is evident, demonstrating that the bridge superstructure is out of true with the line of the shelter deck edge. As I mentioned earlier, shall just have to live with that. But, oddly, it's not the case with the port bridge wing.................. or is it?

The 5 plank repeat pattern can also be seen from the images. It really is important to keep this pattern correct, as any mistake will be glaringly obvious!!

Thanks for looking in. ;)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Norberto on April 01, 2011, 05:31:39 PM
Hi Yarpie your model looks very great
i like so much the restauration
first class job :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: TugCowboy on April 01, 2011, 05:37:45 PM
Really can't wait to see how the second half comes on, a work of art indeed.

Alex
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on April 01, 2011, 07:34:44 PM
 A wonderful project,and seems very ably done. Could you tell me please, what material did you use for the shiny metal ends of the gun barrels, and also how did you reproduce the tompions in that small a scale? Thanks, Mick
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 01, 2011, 09:37:30 PM
A wonderful project,and seems very ably done. Could you tell me please, what material did you use for the shiny metal ends of the gun barrels, and also how did you reproduce the tompions in that small a scale? Thanks, Mick

From someone who lived in Carharrack ........

The ferrules were already on the barrels, so I inserted a wood plug into each barrel end and fitted brass drawing pins into the wood. (Make sure that they really ARE brass)!

I then copied the ships crest from a large image online, reduced it drastically to fit the tompion and printed off on gloss photographic paper.

Once printed, I carefully cut around the outline and superglued each to the tompion. Then the critical bit, cover it all with a good couple of coats of varnish. %) %)

I'm happy with the result, but time will tell ...................  %)

Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on April 02, 2011, 12:09:06 AM
A very interesting restoration Yarpie - its looking good.

Geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on April 02, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
Thanks for that. Its easy when you know what to do. Someone who knows where Carharrack is too! Did you do any modelling when you were in this neck of the woods ? Are you now in the Pompey area ,if so please pm me ? Cheers.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 02, 2011, 01:18:58 PM
Thank you gentle-people, Geoff, Alex, Norberto, Ben, for your very kind comments. :embarrassed:  Mick, I have sent you a PM. :-))

I have now managed to complete the laying of the decking on the shelter deck and will cover that whilst I wire-wool and sand down the superstructure ready for its new camouflage paint coat. I would rather leave some of the existing features of the model in tribute to the guys who build the original model some years ago (one of whom, very sadly, has passed away). So, although the temptation is there, I will not go the 'whole hog'.

Once the superstructure is painted, then I can sand-down and stain/varnish the decking.

Pictures to follow soon. :-))

Thanks very much for your continued interest.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 02, 2011, 01:41:30 PM
Images as promised. ;)

I think (without being referred to as a rivet counter) there are about 280 planks on the shelter deck (including two short planks!). O0

The area immediately below the tripod mainmast will be painted iron deck colour and a little shack will be placed between the mast legs. Any imperfections (or should that read many imperfections?) will be covered over by the placement of ships boats, directors, cable reels, hatches, ventilators etc.

Glad to be back on track after the two month lay off. :-))

But now I'm off to prepare the Beef Wellington for my daughter, her partner and my two grandsons. Oh, and not forgetting 'er indoors, who I refer to as C-in-C (Home).

And I get away with it .............I think! %)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on April 02, 2011, 06:49:43 PM
nice idea  :-)) :-) but what exactly are you planing to keep the same then ?
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on April 02, 2011, 07:39:28 PM
I dont know if the Rodney and Nelson Boat Decks were the same as the "R" Class, but they were covered in a sort of canvas material called corteline or a name very similar ?
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: richtea on April 02, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
I dont know if the Rodney and Nelson Boat Decks were the same as the "R" Class, but they were covered in a sort of canvas material called corteline or a name very similar ?

I think its called cortiscene, and is a reddish brown thick linoleum type covering.
Regards
Richard
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 02, 2011, 09:34:01 PM
Mick,

I think the boat decks and roofs of the twin 6" guns were covered in the forerunner of corticene, still used on the interior decks of todays warships. ;)

I may be wrong, but the best part of a bottle of Merlot may jade my perceptions. :embarrassed:

Hic!

Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: MikeW on April 02, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
Amazing how its changed with the restoration. Looks brand new now. My favourite battleship design.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: richtea on April 02, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Mick,

I think the boat decks and roofs of the twin 6" guns were covered in the forerunner of corticene, still used on the interior decks of todays warships. ;)

I may be wrong, but the best part of a bottle of Merlot may jade my perceptions. :embarrassed:

Hic!



BEST PART ?

you mean theres a worst part left ?

Any way its a great refit on a beautiful ships model.
Regards
Richard
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 04, 2011, 07:48:34 PM
nice idea  :-)) :-) but what exactly are you planing to keep the same then ?


Bridge superstructure which includes:
Conning tower platform
Sounding machine platform
Projector platform
captain's bridge and Compass platform
Admirals bridge
Director control tower platform
Anti-aircraft control platform.

The mainmast and the funnel c/w searchlight platform.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 04, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
BEST PART ?

you mean theres a worst part left ?

Any way its a great refit on a beautiful ships model.
Regards
Richard

Richard, the "worst part" was donated to my daughter's partner (grudgingly of course). :}

Many thanks to you, and MikeW for your very kind comments. :embarrassed:

And now back to the grindstone ................................................................   :D
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: hmswarspite on April 08, 2011, 12:22:20 PM
Hi im very envious Im working on a 1/96 rodney as we speak , im working my way through all the ww2 rn battleship classes so ive got warspite and Prince of wales, been thinking about a 48th renown but after seeing your rodney i think 72 will be better

Love your model and your doing a awsome job
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 08, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
Hi im very envious Im working on a 1/96 rodney as we speak , im working my way through all the ww2 rn battleship classes so ive got warspite and Prince of wales, been thinking about a 48th renown but after seeing your rodney i think 72 will be better

Love your model and your doing a awsome job

Thanks very much for your extremely kind comment hmswarspite. It must be remembered that this is only a refit, and although the temptation is to go 'the whole hog', I need the model ready for the display season when the Team is mounting its own mini Operation Pedestal.

Although the photographs may flatter the refit somewhat, close inspection would reveal the many flaws that still exist. %) :embarrassed: (That's why the images are always ever so slightly out of focus!!). :D

But its thanks mainly to the much appreciated comments such as yours that I get the impetus to complete the job.

Good luck on all your builds and never, ever, compare your work to that of 'others'. Because 'others' are only too conscious of the drawbacks in their own models, and hope that other builders don't notice. O0 O0 O0 :embarrassed:
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on April 08, 2011, 04:06:56 PM


Good luck on all your builds and never, ever, compare your work to that of 'others'. Because 'others' are only too conscious of the drawbacks in their own models, and hope that other builders don't notice. O0 O0 O0 :embarrassed:


While cutting out the curved front bridge deck sections of SS Ohio last night,' rumblings' could be heard amongst fellow modellers. When I turned the flat deck parts over 180deg and offered them back to the model it turned out that the curve was , how do you say 'on the p.....'! This will not be discussed on the Ohio build thread, as , to paraphrase an almost great submarine movie "most of what you read here....DID NOT HAPPEN!"

So, never let others discourage your build, you will always be the most critical of your build, while most of the time others just marvel at a great model :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 08, 2011, 05:26:41 PM

......... So, never let others discourage your build, you will always be the most critical of your build, while most of the time others just marvel at a great model :-))

That's precisely what I'm relying on u-b-n ...... and wet weather during displays, when the model can be displayed for mere milliseconds ......  :embarrassed: {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on April 08, 2011, 05:31:15 PM
That's precisely what I'm relying on u-b-n ...... and wet weather during displays, when the model can be displayed for mere milliseconds ......  :embarrassed: {-)


 Dont even think those words...... guess who gets to make the 'go-no go' decisions now. on show days?? O0
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 08, 2011, 05:56:10 PM

 Dont even think those words...... guess who gets to make the 'go-no go' decisions now. on show days?? O0

I'm sure that C-in-C (Home) will advise, she normally does! <*< <*<

Have started painting the superstructure a la Humbrol colours, as close to the original camouflage colouring as possible.

Note that the recently completed decking has benn masked but 'er indoors reckons that when the tape is lifted, the planking will come up with it! <*<
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on April 09, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
Yarpie, I have been following the refit and enjoying it - but was at the NE model boat show yesterday where there
was a model Nelson (sister to Rodney)  an absolutely stunning looking ship when you see it close up (best in show Blackpool etc)
(1/96 scale - Makes Aisne look like a picket boat) but what was interesting was the way it was built.  Lots if ply
covered in lithoplate which gave it really clean lines and all the rivets were embossed onto the reverse of the litho plate with different sized
cog wheels before it was bonded onto the the ply of the turrets and superstructure.  I know its not relevant to your refit but its a totally
different way of building.  I think I my be changing from plasticard to lithoplate for the next build if I can source the plate.
It belongs to Brian C of this forum - well worth a look for anybody going to the show
Best of luck in continuing the refit
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 09, 2011, 04:32:29 PM
Thanks Geoff. :-))

I'm aware of Brian C's HMS NELSON, (as of course are many others), she is a very fine model and the litho plate method can be extremely effective.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 24, 2011, 06:52:46 PM
HMS RODNEY's shelter deck as of this evening.

The superstructure paintwork is all but finished and the protective masking removed. There still is some paintwork to do but that will wait until the decking is caulked and sanded down.

My chosen method of caulking is to run black flexible superglue into the seams using hypodermic needles and syringes (for accuracy).  %)

This method almost replicates the way in which it was done big-scale and as far as I know, hasn't been tried before. If it works to any degree, you will know about it. However, if the plan fails ................... you will still know about it. %) :D {-)

As per the images, the decking has been pre-prepared for the caulking process. I have taken the precaution of stain/varnishing the decking to prevent any seepage from the black glue staining the planks at the seams. Once the 'caulking' has been run-in and has completely dried, the planks will be shaved to remove excess 'caulking'. The shaving will run fwd to aft, in line with the seams to guard against accidental overrun.

Once any exposed 'caulking' has then had a chance to dry thoroughly, the first medium sanding will commence.

I give myself four undisturbed hours for the first task tomorrow, don't want a hypodermic needle clogging-up during any break .....  %)

Managed to acquire two 50 gram bottles of black flexi superglue, with a consistency of normal thin cyanoacrylate.

Meantime, I have been scratchbuilding six sets of eight barrelled Pom Poms. Helped by a colleague I must confess. :-)) Cheers Gary. :-))

More tomorrow  ............................... perhaps. %) :o

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 24, 2011, 07:06:15 PM
I'm sure that C-in-C (Home) will advise, she normally does! <*< <*<

Have started painting the superstructure a la Humbrol colours, as close to the original camouflage colouring as possible ..............

Note that the recently completed decking has been masked but 'er indoors reckons that when the tape is lifted, the planking will come up with it! <*<

Oh no they didn't Mrs Yarpie!!!! ;D ;D ;D O0 {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on April 24, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
Yarpie I will be really interested in how you get on with the black superglue.  I have never done any deck planking but just realised
if I go for the Lion  as seems likely the quarterdeck will have to be planked.  Just one thought - you said you have varnished the wood
to protect it during the caulking process.  Do you intend to remove all the varnished layer when you do the final sanding as if I remember
correctly when I visited Lion the decks were scrubbed wood and I assumed all major warships with wooden decks had them scrubbed.

geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 24, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
Correct Geoff. :-))

I remember 'stoning' the quarterdeck of HMS HERMES (first commission 1959-62) whilst under No9 punishment. %) If I remember correctly, the tool was called Shark stone (or similar).

The first coat of stain/varnish is there to prevent seepage of black glue, and will be sanded-off completely as you state. :-))

However, I will re-stain/varnish in light oak to retain the watertight properties. Any water ingress under the planking will lift them in clumps, so the 'caulking' and varnishing will hopefully guard against this eventuality.

It is an unfortunate fact that the general public do not recognise grey planking as "wood", so a light stain reassures them and circumvents the obvious questions. I know (to my chagrin) that RN planking actually turns a grey colour (having studied it closely on my hands and knees %)) and that copious amounts of daily scrubbing with sea water produces this effect.

But Bert Scroggins, your local warship 'anorak' knows different and will certainly ask why you painted your planking grey. :o

In conclusion, it may be possible to waterproof any planking with a clear matt varnish without applying any staining effect, and that way the process will go through a natural ultra violet bleaching. Provided of course that you select the correct wood colouring at the outset.

I used White Lime. O0

Hope this helps. :-))

Yarpie.

Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on April 24, 2011, 09:48:36 PM
I know what you mean about the "grey" wood - I used to have a teak grating in the yachts cockpit plus the handrails used to scrub them
regularly  and they looked cream for about 24 hours then started to go grey.
I shall watch this part of the build with extra interest.
I can't imagine an upstanding character like you would get No. 9s. I always used to get them for being absent from place of duty ( usually slept in)

Geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 24, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
..................... I can't imagine an upstanding character like you would get No. 9s. I always used to get them for being absent from place of duty ( usually slept in)

Geoff

Precisely my problem too Geoff. When I slept, I 'died' and was impossible to wake. So the Commander thought it a good idea to give me extra work and drill ........ just to exacerbate the problem! %)  As a Marine Engineering Mechanic, I was also watchkeeping, which certainly didn't help. I ended up doing one day's No9's for every week I spent on there, and I'm reluctant to reveal that I spent two and a half years on the beast. No medical exclusions in those days, one size fitted all.  Que Sera. Probably character building too. %) {-) O0

So I look forward to a day of 'caulking' tomorrow and hopefully have something positive to report in the evening. :-))

Thanks for your valued support and advice.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on April 25, 2011, 09:15:09 PM
Well, I tried the black superglue 'caulking' proceedure today with mixed results.

Sunny back garden, shelter deck firmly gripped in the workmate, hypo filled with superglue, needle attached and proceeded to run-in the first line. The glue ran fairly freely so i thought I was on a winner. Along comes SWMBO with twenty questions ........................... subject; mind boggling trivia. Carried on running-in with the needle, very slow and painstaking process, requiring CONCENTRATION. Then all the neighbours decided to perform a synchronised grass mowing. Shortly after that, the Mums had got fed up with their little darlings (10:15) and sent them out into the Close to 'make some noise'.

At this point, I decided to pour the black glue over the planking and work it into the seams in the fervent hope that any staining could be sanded off. By 11:00 the glue had perceptively dried so I thought it was about time to get 'my own back' and plugged-in the orbital sander. 45 minutes of sanding had driven the darlings mad (indication of manual work y'know, something alien to kids of today) so they pleaded with their very responsible parents to take them to the seaside.

Once sanded down level (each plank appeared to have a different depth) the job looked fairly good. Unfortunately I had sanded one small area back to the base wood, but that can thankfully be concealed. %) After that, a very light stain/varnish was rubbed into the planking, enough to match the already completed forward section. (See earlier posts). ;)

The effect is satisfactory, no more, no less. I have learned much from this process, mainly, not to expect too much if you are pushed for time. O0

A blind man on a galloping horse might be impressed with the result so I am hurriedly positioning the associated deck clutter to hide the effect. %)

No images tonight, but the overall effect is not too much different to the previous images.

Thanks for looking in.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Bernd on April 26, 2011, 08:14:42 AM
 :-))

Great camouflage!

Bye,

Bernd.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 04, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
Thanks Bernd. :-))

Just an update.

Work continues on the shelter deck, the boats, the directors, upper superstructure, 4.7" guns etc are being fitted. What is however occupying most of my time at the moment is the creation of the 6 eight-barrelled Pom Poms and their sponsons.

I found that the best way to create the sponsons was to use some domestic 3" funnels which have the correct profile. These are cut down to create the effect. The manufacture of the eight barrelled Pom Poms themselves is a tricky process, but I'm happy with progress at the moment.

The boats, most of which were on the original model, have been refurbished and placed on deck (not much room, but they just fit in position).

I hope to take a few images tomorrow, so will post them in due course.

Target completion date of 18th May will not be reached but never mind eh?  Not the first project to overrun. %)

Once again, many thanks for looking in and I can only apologise if the thread takes a little while loading and opening. It's all the images innit. O0 ok2

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: derekwarner on May 04, 2011, 11:31:27 AM
 :} & Yarpie says...... "Target completion date of 18th May will not be reached but never mind eh?  Not the first project to overrun"

 ;D... I have never seen a good nautical warship project to run.... >>:-(

1. on time
2. below budget
3. results better than expected


Just keep up the good work & keep us posted with many photographic images.........Derek  :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 10, 2011, 02:54:17 PM
Cheers Derek. :-))

And now, a subject right up your street, the manufacture of the weaponry on the shelter deck.

On the left of the image, the component parts of five of the six MK VII 8 barrelled Pom Poms. To the extreme left, a line of the lower magazines, and right of the barrel assemblies, the upper magazines for each weapon. Each mounting had eight magazines. In the foreground, the barrel assembly and two completed magazine assemblies. Don't worry about the colourful bits, these I got from a child's 'shapes' (£1) and they serve the purpose adequately. They will, of course, get a severe coat of pussers ships side grey. And the child will get what remains of the 'shapes' (probably for Christmas and suitably gift wrapped).

On the right are the component parts for the 4.7" HA QF 43 cal MK VIII guns and mountings. These will be scratchbuilt as well. It's by modelling these ships that Chief Stokers begin to learn what is involved in fighting the ship as opposed to the demanding requirements of Damage Control whilst under fire.

Below are some of the many Carley floats, two sizes, hence the smaller stowed within the larger, a common feature on Capital Ships.

So its all progressing fairly well, but I am exceeding what I originally proposed to do.

Thanks for stopping by and I hope this project still offers some interest to you all.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on May 10, 2011, 05:44:31 PM
I need some armament for SS Ohio :-))
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 10, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
I need some armament for SS Ohio :-))

Dockyard job mate. %)

Influence me tonight at the clubhouse. :D O0  But please, please tell me that you don't need Pom Poms. My cheerleading days are over. ;D {-)
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on May 10, 2011, 06:54:50 PM
Surely the correct term is 'Rabbit Job'?
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 10, 2011, 06:58:52 PM
Surely the correct term is 'Rabbit Job'?

Jack-speak.

Bravo Zulu.

Well done. O0
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on May 11, 2011, 07:36:15 PM
Don't worry about the colourful bits, these I got from a child's 'shapes' (£1) and they serve the purpose adequately. They will, of course, get a severe coat of pussers ships side grey. And the child will get what remains of the 'shapes' (probably for Christmas and suitably gift wrapped).

hope fully im not the child that will get the left over shapes :D if you dont know what to get me i think i will be able to cope with one of your destroyers as a present :-)) ;) :} :} %% %% {-) ;D
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 11, 2011, 07:54:37 PM
hope fully im not the child that will get the left over shapes :D if you dont know what to get me i think i will be able to cope with one of your destroyers as a present :-)) ;) :} :} %% %% {-) ;D

Join the queue young man, join the queue. %)

There are two grandsons and another two great grandsons who are way ahead of you in the donation stakes. O0 {-)

But haven't you just purchased a 1:144 scale mix 'n match destroyer???

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on May 11, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
yep     thought it would be a bit of fun for going around the lake with      maby doing up once i have something else on the watter
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 13, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
Just a progress report on the manufacture of the shelter deck armament.

In the background are the completed 4.7" QF MK VIII guns.

Centre of image (in white) are the: barrel assembly; some of the components that make up the eight magazines on each mounting; both sides of the spent cartridge chutes (with two others in the foreground for clarity).

To the left are the prepared magazines for four Pom Poms, shown at differing angles to illustrate the manufacture process.

Right of centre are four barrel assemblies, painted and ready for final assembly.

Right of that, in pride of place, is the almost completed first eight barrelled Pom Pom.

Finally, on the extreme right, are two of the kitchen funnels that will make up the weapon's sponsons.

All in all a fiddly job, but rewarding when completed.

At least they will look nearly correct.

Once again, thanks for looking in, the refit should be completed next month.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 13, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
Just a separate image of the "one I prepared earlier". %)

Still more work to do on it but it's taking shape.

Only 5 more to complete ................  :o O0

Thanks for staying awake ............  :D

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Brian S on May 16, 2011, 04:28:21 PM
Showing your pom poms in public, whatever next!

I thought I'd give in an join the throng but looking at the photos I'd better be off to buy some white linen gloves to help you carry HMS Rodney down to the lake!
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 16, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
Hi GazG10,

thanks for the kind comment. :-))

Those Pom Pom barrells are almost as good as the ones that you manufacture........ almost. %)

Welcome to the forum and enjoy your stay.  I'm sure that you will find things of interest on here.

If you're giong to give me a hand carrying HMS RODNEY down to the lake, could I request KID GLOVES please, you know what a cantankerous old duffer I am ............ O0

Great to hear from you.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on May 17, 2011, 02:27:57 AM
looking good !
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Jonjonzilla on May 18, 2011, 09:49:08 AM
Beautiful Work, Well done

John
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on May 18, 2011, 10:12:39 AM

If you're giong to give me a hand carrying HMS RODNEY down to the lake, could I request KID GLOVES please, you know what a cantankerous old duffer I am ............ O0


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Cantankerous old duffer, surely not!
I was going to question the lack of flared barrel ends on your Pom Poms, until I saw footage of a gun mounting which did not have them fitted yesterday. And here I was going to suggest sticking Oboe Nails down the barrels, not the sort of help you are looking for?
Keep up the good work....who hits the water first, Rodney or Ohio? Its not a race though ok2
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 18, 2011, 10:36:12 AM
Once again guys, thank you very much for your comments.

unbuiltnautilus, I had researched this in Raven and Roberts "Man o' War 3, battleships RODNEY and NELSON", and they include an image of the eight-barrelled Pom Pom without the barrel end flares/hoods. It may be a modification thing in the differing Marks of the weapons.

I might include them at a later date, once I can establish how they were as of 31/10/1942. But I am always open to constructive suggestions as I'm a relative beginner to this hobby and am still willing to learn. ;)

Noticed OHIO last night, great progress and an impressive model.

We really do have some iconic models in our three 'fleets'. :}

Don't forget, celebrationary dinner on the anniversary of the Battle of Quiberon Bay round at Admiral Hawke's on Tuesday night. :-))

Well ........ a little bit of name dropping doesn't hurt. %) O0 {-)

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on May 18, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
I will bring the French surrender flag, one previous careful owner, hardly used {-)
ONLY KIDDING!!
Its worn out...
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Yarpie on May 18, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
So le surrender flag is not the politically correct version eh?? %)

Latest progress with Pom Poms and associated sponsons.

The sponsons, being conical shaped, presented a problem, so being a LAZY cantankerous old duffer, I used some cut-down kitchen funnels instead.

The images show the sponsons, complete with interconnecting walkway, dry fitted and ready for offering up to the shelter deck position.

These are the forward pair, placed either side of the leading edge of the funnel.

Yarpie.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 21, 2011, 06:12:25 PM
Progress continues. HMS Rodney was on the water last Sunday at Canoe Lake Southsea as part of our display. Parading here temporary 'Disruptive camouflage scheme'.
With the aft end still in a primer finish and the bow and superstructure nearing completion, she made an unusual sight.
(http://s2.postimage.org/2bj4a16ck/Display_046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bj4a16ck/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bj98n7tw/Display_047.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bj98n7tw/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bje799b8/Display_048.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bje799b8/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bjps0oro/Display_049.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bjps0oro/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bjuqmq90/Display_052.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bjuqmq90/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bk1cs484/Display_159.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bk1cs484/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/2bk4nut7o/Display_176.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2bk4nut7o/)
The camouflage prooved particularily effective when the operator of HMS Howe and Yarpie were unable to see each other, resulting in a near miss, court marshal event anyone??

(http://s3.postimage.org/wwzmg01w/Display_179.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/wwzmg01w/)
A fine looking model, the original owner would have been proud to see the work going in to her restoration...keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on June 21, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
Nice to see Rodney and Yarpie back on here.I also hope that on one of my very rare visits to Pompey,I will be privileged to see her,and meet up with Sandy of course.Keep up the good work,my friend,and hope to see you back on here again.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: steve pickstock on June 22, 2011, 07:42:03 AM
Thanks for posting these. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on July 19, 2011, 06:35:21 PM
HMS Rodney had her next outing at Weymouth and I got some photos to show how Yarpie is getting on with the rebuild.
(http://s3.postimage.org/13fu8qpw/IMG_1646.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13fu8qpw/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13hhs37o/IMG_1647.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13hhs37o/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13j5bfpg/IMG_1648.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13j5bfpg/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13ksus78/IMG_1649.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13ksus78/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13mge4p0/IMG_1650.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13mge4p0/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13o3xh6s/IMG_1651.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13o3xh6s/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/13prgtok/IMG_1653.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/13prgtok/)
The proud owner looking happy, little realizing that the big boat handling crane is at home in the oven %)
This is not funny, how would you feel if you took your CHANT tanker to the last Weymouth Show and left the transmitter at home, now that WOULD make you feel like a prat!
The secondary armament was not in the oven, the 6" turrets are being worked on at present and should be back on board soon.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 26, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
Following an incident involving a 'dive bombing' a few weeks ago, HMS Rodney suffered some battle damage. The Captain was less than happy with this as the ship had just emerged from refit. However, following sterling work by the dockyard mateys, she was back at sea yesterday looking none the worse for her encounter with the worst that gravity could do.
(http://s3.postimage.org/21d6hh5fo/Display_021.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21d6hh5fo/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21dd3mjes/Display_029.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21dd3mjes/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21der5vwk/Display_030.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21der5vwk/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21di28kw4/Display_035.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21di28kw4/)
As you can see, the old girl looks splendid in her camoflage pattern.

(http://s3.postimage.org/21drzgnus/Display_036.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21drzgnus/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21dwy2pc4/Display_037.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21dwy2pc4/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21e095ebo/Display_038.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21e095ebo/)
Close up, the details added, including the recently added Twin 6" Secondary Turrets, enhance the model nicely.
(http://s3.postimage.org/21ep27lqc/Display_049.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21ep27lqc/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/21eu0tn7o/Display_046.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21eu0tn7o/)
The cold, dank, North Atlantic has nothing on Canoe Lake on a supposedly sunny Sunday afternoon. HMS Rodney turns and prepares to engage the enemy, all guns cleared for action............. <*<
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: Rottweiler on September 26, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
 

                Just wait til I get HMS RAMILLIES finished and in action.Mind you,my model will not outclass the Rodney model,unlike the real thing on D Day ! Congratulations once again,on a stupendous model.
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on September 28, 2011, 06:24:34 PM
more pics     



(http://s2.postimage.org/9m348go4/Display_026.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9m4rrt5w/Display_027.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9m6fb5no/Display_042.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9m82ui5g/Display_051.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9m9qdun8/Display_060.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9mbdx750/Display_061.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

(http://s2.postimage.org/9md1gjms/Display_062.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)


                                                              kk
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: pugwash on September 28, 2011, 08:29:38 PM
KK Next time to see Yarpie please pass on my congrats on a refit very well done.  She looks excellent.

Geoff
Title: Re: 1:72 scale HMS RODNEY refit
Post by: ben hall on September 30, 2011, 06:17:22 PM
will do










                                                                             kk