Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Double D on March 02, 2011, 01:16:26 pm
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This is interesting . .. .
Margarine was originally manufactured to fatten turkeys. When it killed the turkeys, the people who had put all the money into the research wanted a payback so they put their heads together to figure out what to do with this product to get their money back.
It was a white substance with no food appeal so they added the yellow coloring and sold it to people to use in place of butter. How do you like it? They have come out with some clever new flavorings..
DO YOU KNOW.. The difference between margarine and butter?
Read on to the end...gets very interesting!
Both have the same amount of calories.
Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams; compared to 5 grams for margarine.
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard Medical Study.
Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods..
Butter has many nutritional benefits wheremargarine has a few and only because they are added!
Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods.
Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than 100 years .
And now, for Margarine..
Very High in Trans fatty acids.
Triples risk of coronary heart disease .
Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol) and lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol)
Increases the risk of cancers up to five times.
Lowers quality of breast milk.
Decreases immune response.
Decreases insulin response.
And here's the most disturbing fact..... HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!
Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC... and shares 27 ingredients with PAINT
These facts alone were enough to have me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of the substance).
You can try this yourself:
Purchase a tub of margarine and leave it open in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will notice a couple of things:
* no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it (that should tell you something)
* it does not rot or smell differently because it has no nutritional value ; nothing will grow on it. Even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not a find a home to grow. Why? Because it is nearly plastic . Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?
Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others.
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Strange, wasn't Marg. Allegedly one of Napoleon's inventions??
Regards Ian
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Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC... and shares 27 ingredients with PAINT
Does that mean that if you hollow out a tub of Stork and add a molecule you will instantly have a pre painted styrene hull?
Colin
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Does that mean that if you hollow out a tub of Stork and add a molecule you will instantly have a pre painted styrene hull?
Colin
Quicker than a bread and butter hull %% %%
Ned
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Can't belive it's not a butty.
Regards Ian.
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Sounds like one of those e-mails that tells you to be scared of everything and not to be bothered to get out of bed.
Getting out of bed may cause death... %)
Strange, wasn't Marg. Allegedly one of Napoleon's inventions??
Regards Ian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine#History
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Very interesting,....its non properties and kinship to plastic ..reminds me of Distilled Vinegar....its made from Petrol,
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http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp
As you were....
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I was shopping in my local supermarket the other day and a young girl said to her mum, mum what does low fat mean?
her mum said it means it does,nt taste very nice. A good way to bring up a family. not! :o
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I think that's a good answer. It's accurate, and almost all of these dietary fads are either completely wrong, or highly exaggerated.
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D.G. I don't think SWMBO would argree with your witless answer when she spent about 40% of her surgery time trying to persuade
flat blobs to eat less food and eat less fat before they killed themselves
Geoff
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I remember my mom getting those white packs of marg with the spot of yellow in them. I got the job of kneading them for an hour or so to spread the colour out so it would look like butter. How things have changed.
John
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Like the doctor used to say to me,
every thing in moderation, if you put in more than you use, it only leads to more work for me.
That was thirty five years ago and it still applies today.
Regards
Richard
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D.G. I don't think SWMBO would argree with your witless answer....
I don't care. I've had enough of dietary lies foisted on us by activists who pervert statistical science with their meaningless metadata studies. We have already had so many different warnings about different 'types' of cholesterol and polyunsaturated fats, most of which contradict each other, that the only sane thing to do would be to ignore the lot. I'm not sane, so I spend a fair bit of time examining the base data behind these apologies for evidence-based medicine, and what I see appalls me. Ask SWMBO why the current advice from the BCS is downplaying their earlier advice on salt since all those holes were picked in the 1997 DASH trial. If she's interested in medical stats, ask her if she's read this paper - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/ - if she (or you) just wants to know what's wrong, keep an eye on this site - http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/
And I haven't even covered the other half of the equation - the fact that what goes into a product labeled 'low-fat' is rarely an ideal dietary mix for man or beast...
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D.G. I don't think SWMBO would argree with your witless answer when she spent about 40% of her surgery time trying to persuade
flat blobs to eat less food and eat less fat before they killed themselves
Geoff
DG must be right Geoff, after all he does know everything about everthing :}
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Less is good
None is not good
Ned
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"Low fat" is meaningless.
Strictly a marketing ploy to buy their product, is similar to reduced fat. >>:-( >>:-(
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Im surprised D.G. that you didn't quote this website to support your argument as everything on the internet is "true"
Geoff
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
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I'm not sane...
In which case, if you're implying insanity, then may I have a slice of the same pie?
Ref the butter/margarine/molecule/paint/cholesterol debate, do you think a similar argument might exist amongst doctors and statins? I digress...
A recent hiccup with my heart. Turns out that my arteries are in pretty good shape, but that the left side of my ticker has suddenly stopped working as ought. I don't live on McDonalds junk food or suchlike, neither do I give a hoot about so-called unsaturated fats, etc. But El Quacks are hell bent on pumping those aforementioned statins down my neck, which, in my case, has served only to make my overall health a hundred times worse. In fact, four different types of statin has each proven to be so bad that I would describe them as nothing short of legalised poison. After seven month of living hell, the quacks have finally decided that the statins are the root coause of my health issues and now ceased to prescribe them.
My question is, are we to believe everything that we are being told is good for us? For instance, I absolutely loathe brown bread - it has to be white bread only, but I'm told that white bread is the cause of cancers and suchlike.
How on earth did mankind ever survive all this time before the so-called health experts starting sticking their oars in?
And Pugwash, might I suggest that your good lady spend some time in Texas whereby most everyone there is obese to the point of extreme.
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PMK you don't have to go Texas - there are plenty here and they are costing the NHS a fortune in treatment.
If the trend to obesity continues there is the possibility that treatment for obesity will be the single biggest drain on the budget.
Agree with you about statins - she says no way would she have them prescribed for her.
She has been retired for a few months now and loving every minute of not having to treat people who won't help themselves
Geoff
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She has been retired for a few months now and loving every minute of not having to treat people who won't help themselves
Rather hypocritical attitude of the Hippocratic oath??
Should get rid of the NHS altogether, save a lot of money by throwing a lot those self opinionated "Gods" who make a good living criticizing lesser mortals problems.
Regards Ian.
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PMK my doctor wanted me on statins I refused them he then told me he was on them so I said Bully for you you can have my share He then proceded to take my blood pressure 212/112 think he may prescribe more tablets :kiss: :kiss:
Cheers Bob
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Circlip I find that a very offensive remark about someone who did her best for her patients for about 40yr
AND no she didn't make a fortune out of the NHS she was an employed GP - about £60k p.a. but the partners who employed her were on
about £170k - dont forget more GPs are employed than partners so the bulk of them are not making megabucks out of the system
Dont believe everything you read in the press about greedy family doctors
Geoff
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Yes plugwash and I find your remark of " Not having to treat people who won't help themselves" highly offensive. Perhaps you should study your own remarks first?? A bit of flobby gobbing in another posting you contributed to could have cost a Naval Officer her job?
Led to believe that Statins are prescribed to help control Cholesterol.
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Pugwash, if your XYL is anything like the nurses down at Taunton hospital, then I have nothing but the utmost respect for her. For what it's worth, some of us actually do appreciate all their knowledge and all the hard work they have to do.... not to mention having to deal with lazy, stroppy patients, bless her cotton panties.
Bob: 212/112 is a little on the high side, isn't it? Just holler if you need statins - I've got boxes and boxes of the damn things, which I'll never use anyway.
My ticker is struggling to pump the blood around my system now, so my BP count, on average, is usually around 80/70'ish. I can't help wondering if this is the reason why I feel so giddy/lethargic/breathless all the time, but the quacks tend not to agree. Instead they think it could be caused by something inside my bonce playing up... which is why I have an appointment for a CT scan in approx. 2 hrs time. Can't say that I'm particulary looking forward to it - I'm not onto confined spaces.
What has any of this got to do with margarine, anyhow?
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I dont think you can be sacked from the position of wife and mother even if you are an ex-naval officer.
Geoff
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Gentlemen, I am glad we have stopped being 'offended' at each other. It is a deep-rooted disease of current political debate. Everyone who does not root their argument in strict logical pre-defined terms with lashings of support data offends me, and all the ghosts of renaissance thinking, way back to the classical philosophers, but I don't go on about it.....
Now:
"..D.G. I don't think SWMBO would argree with your witless answer..."
"..DG must be right Geoff, after all he does know everything about everthing..."
I have never claimed that I am always right, but I do try to think about my comments, and always try to provide appropriate supporting evidence...
"..Im surprised D.G. that you didn't quote this website to support your argument as everything on the internet is "true"."
Hmm... I checked your proposal on PubMedCentral. It has no cites. Professor Ioannidis' paper, on the other hand, with 90 odd cites, is the most downloaded technical paper from PLoS Medicine. Goodman and Greenland's criticisims of it have been satisfactorly answered here - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1896210/ . So, on the whole, I think that the Ioannidis paper is more appropriate for my purposes.
I also have difficulty understanding sarcasm.....
"PMK you don't have to go Texas - there are plenty here and they are costing the NHS a fortune in treatment. If the trend to obesity continues there is the possibility that treatment for obesity will be the single biggest drain on the budget."
Hmm.. trends are difficult things to discuss at the best of times. However, the item below may be of interest:
"...According to the lastest results from the Health Survey for England, regarded as the best source of information on the topic, obesity rates have fallen. Yet you could have been forgiven for failing to notice: it’s barely been reported. After all the sensationalist headlines over the past few years about an ‘obesity timebomb’, would it be too much to expect some balanced reporting over the fact that the aforementioned explosive might not be going off after all?
The latest figures, published last Thursday (17 Dec 2010), show that in 2009, 22.1 per cent of men were obese compared to 24.1 per cent in 2008 and 23.7 per cent in 2006, the year before that Foresight report was published. For women, the new figure was 23.9 per cent as against 24.9 per cent in 2008 and 24.2 per cent in 2006.
But what about the future? Perhaps our children are still getting fatter? Although the UK uses a rather broader definition of ‘child obesity’ than is standard internationally, the rates for this seem to be heading downwards, too. In 2004, 19.4 per cent of boys aged two to 15 were regarded as obese; in 2009, that figure was down to 16.1 per cent. The equivalent figures for girls were 18.5 per cent (2004) and 15.3 per cent (2009)..."
Rob Lyons - Spiked
I often wonder why people are content to believe data which is provided for them by interested parties such as drug companies, politicians, journalists and other snake-oil salesmen, rather than going to the basic information which is often quite readily available.
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I would no more consult a model boat forum for dietary advice than I would a medical website for the modus operandii of electronic speed controllers. Audie - what were you thinking of?
I take statins because they were prescribed by my GP when my BP was 180/120; it's consistently now below 120/85.....works for me................
We have olive oil 'spread' in the fridge primarily because it spreads easier than butter. It doesn't taste of plastic and I don't really give a monkey's what they put in it - it's OK on toast. If I were to stop eating/drinking/doing everything which was supposed to shorten my life then I doubt if I would actually live any longer, but it would sure as hell feel like it! I gained my Boy Scouts' Smug badge when I packed in the dreaded weed. Short of taking Holy Orders that'll do me.
Bob - at 70+ years old and BP of 212/112 you are officially on the point of death, so can I have your riverboat, please?
Pugwash - public servants are fair game for folk who can't think of anyone else to blame for their personal misfortunes or their drab, miserable lives - despite the fact that nothing prevented them from joining. Your missus must know that by now. The rest of us just ignore the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph - and Circlip.
DG - you really ought to get out more. Could I suggest sailing model boats?
As for Texans, I was once married to one and there is far more cause for concern in that (red)neck of the woods than any weight issue.
Lighten up, chaps - or watch the TV images of Japan right now and then tell yourself that margarine still matters.
DM
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Sorry to disappoint Mr Action man have just taken the bp and thanks to the latest pills it was reading 154/85 so it seems I nearly made it to the gates and turned back ,however if you can hang on until I next go to a filling station to fill up the car you could be in luck , I am sorry if this is somewhat of topic but one must reply to people If only to let them know I am still kicking
Cheers All (Keep taking the pills)
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The rest of us just ignore the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph - and Circlip
Good to note I'm regarded in such illustrious company :-))
And if that's the general consensus of my postings, then I'll not give any more - - - Oh, that doesn't work, heard that too many times before.
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DG - you really ought to get out more. Could I suggest sailing model boats?
Funny, that's what my wife, my family, my doctor and the vicar say. O0 O0
But my psychiatrist, the local police and a deputation from the neighbourhood watch all insisted that I remain here... %% %% %%
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Good to note I'm regarded in such illustrious company :-))
You're third...............
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Funny, that's what my wife, my family, my doctor and the vicar say. O0 O0
But my psychiatrist, the local police and a deputation from the neighbourhood watch all insisted that I remain here... %% %% %%
Like it..
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I am now confused about whether to eat Margarine and if I should use it as a plastic substitute.
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Well done to all
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I am now confused about whether to eat Margarine and if I should use it as a plastic substitute.
Do both.
Report back.
DM
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You're third...............
No sorry action youre wrong, he,s last, there was now one else after him. {-) {-) {-)
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Do both.
Report back.
DM
Report.
1. Ugh the margarine tasted awful will 'stick' with butter as 'butter is better' says so on the label so must be true.
2. Waiting for margarine to set after using it as plastic filler will report back when set.
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