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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Pleasure boats, Sports, Race, Power and Leisure Boats: => Topic started by: biggus ditchus on April 09, 2011, 03:02:19 pm
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Until recently I didnt think I wanted a boat but having been to the Ellesmere Port Boat Show with our lorries and seeing and having a try at one I had to have one, I really liked the looks of the Huntsman and managed to trade a RC monster truck for one with a mate.
Not sure of the manufacturer all I know is its a Hunstman 31 34" and it has a fibreglass hull. Looking at it the hull isnt in bad shape but needs lots of work, wood inside isnt strong, and the varnish on the deck is awful. Cabin is where all the work is in my eyes, wondered about repair but the more I look at it the more I realise that a building a new cabin would be easier.
I didnt take any photos as I got it, meant to but with it sat on my workbench I had a go a the decking to start with, the thick dark varnish has basically peeled/cracked off with some help from a stanley blade, being careful not to damage wood underneath.
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A while later all the thick varnish is off and a light sanding attempted with good results..
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Looking at the wood around the edge of deck im thinking of removing and then putting one back on after decking is on, would that be the way to go? As it is now its not done neatly and if add decking on over the top there will be a step. You will ave to excuse the newbie questions and lack of correct terms, talk to me about caster, camber etc Im ok but anything boat related im lost sorry. Im not new to working with balsa/spruce etc I have in past built a plane from plans. I do welcome your constructive advice, I need it.
I do think this has good possibilities, I have in mind what I want its just how long and hard will i t be getting there.
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Hello
It will be a nice boat to bring back to life. They go really well on the water.
It is always worse before it gets any better. I got a Thames type boat on e bay at the start of last year and it was in need of a repaint, but when I striped it down it was plank on frame. Oh boy my wife said it was a waste of money but with in a few weeks i had her turned round. Now my wife loves the boat and dose not want me to get rid of it ;)
Stick with it there is loads of help here on Mayhem if you need it.
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Thanks I will stick at it and Im sure all well be well, eventually.
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they do make a good sea keeping model , for those of you that like to look at the real article the fairey owners club now have a facebook page , which has a very good photo album showing both the all models of fairey marine products ! needless to say some very detailed colour photos too ! jon
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Cheers already got a link to the fairey owners club website and looked at photos, good reference to get on with.
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another good one is the george curret boat sales as he sells mostly fairey marine boats too , . decent quality fittings are a little thin on the ground for these models , so ive started making some for my own boats , including brass mooring cleats and alloy air scoops for the cabin sides . jon
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Finally plucked up courage to do a bit more to boat, have sanded the hull back and the wood isnt too bad and fibreglass is in perfect shape so little work there which is a great relief to me. The cabin on the other hand was worse than thought so the build has started, its no where near the standard many of you will achieve but Im happy with results so far, posting a couple of pics including the old cabin.
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2 photos that show worst parts of old cabin
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Looking good Ritchie!
Bring it wed night, we can have a look at the prop etc, bring molegrips and a hammer , its coming out, like a bad tooth!! :} :}
Mine is STILL >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o WAITING for the replacement shaft to arrive from the supplier, spent a small fortune and it arrived bent! (with others also bent!), now been waiting a month, did you get any plans?
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Done it from eye and measuring up old cabin, not exact but its close enough. :-)) Are u sure it needs to come out?
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Not worked with wood in a long time but really enjoying this, hope it turns out as well as I hope.
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looking good :-)
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had one of these with a Irvine 61 once, it went like stink grate fun but swapped it for anther boat, now run a fairey swordsman
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is it brushless yet bat44 ? im going to put the spear on brushless when ive worked out which ones it needs !
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Hi biggus, have you got any further with your Huntsman rebuild yet ? Any more pics ? I'm starting a rebuild on a 47" huntsman but my decking is slightly worse than yours so a bit more work to do.
Have you decided weather your going to move the prop, red181 said prop needed to come out ? I don't live far from Warington (Atherton) are you a member of any clubs? here are a couple of
pics of mine. Regards Alan :-))
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the correct motor positions in a huntsman 31 , this one has been fitted with a pair of model motor direct 777 motors which are running on a 14 volt supply through a single electronize esc !
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the correct motor positions in a huntsman 31 , this one has been fitted with a pair of model motor direct 777 motors which are running on a 14 volt supply through a single electronize esc !
Should there be a photo showing us where Jon ? My pm's must be sending you like me LoL. Alan
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oh s--- ! must be old age ?
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this is what you should have seen !
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the correct motor position, is relevent to the length of the shaft, and the angle, and the point at which it exits the hull :-))
many of the old plans knocking around are for ic set up, which itself requires differences to electric set up, and again twin or single screw. There have been over the last two years a number of really nice Huntsman builds, that have failed at the last hurdle, because the builder has tried to remain loyal to the original ic plans, and the results have been an underpowered (due to the prop angle being too great) or really poor handling, as the rudder has been far too cllose to the end of the hull, or too far down the hull.
On the fairey owner website, there is some very good reference to the prop angle, and rudder position
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Here you can see the prop is not in the centre of the hull, and the attitude of the propellers will propel the boat forwards, if the attitude was more of an angle, then the boat would lose forward propulsion as its driving the boat upwards (in theory!), this can then make the rear of the hull "light" and attribute to poor handling, particularly cornering at speed, something a number of builders have complained about in the past. Let me say these hulls handle beautifully, the more abuse they get, the better they go :}
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you could always try this novel idea of rudder angle, this was a recent visit to Newsham Park, Liverpool, in the centre of the lake! Goodness knows what I hit, it also broke a blade off the prop and moved the shaft, luckily didnt sink %%
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your rudder angle looks familiar , ive had a couple like that myself , the worst one bent so far as i lost all movement from one blade & no blade on the second stock ! must say handling is much better on twin motors than it was on my old ic versions with a single shaft .
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Well been about 2 months since my last post on here, put the Huntsman aside for a while whilst I finished a couple of my other car projects (Old Tamiyas). Now those have been attended to its back to the Huntsman and on with the roof... not having manual (until now) I went with doing it in 4 parts front, rear and two small strips. So far I have done the front and rear, and quite happy with it.
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Think I have decided on a name for it too, my two grandkids are Jack and George (Twins) so decided on the name "JayGee"
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Really on a roll lately... 2 vintage cars restored, 2 others built and finished and now more work on the Huntsman..
Finished the roof filling in the gaps between front and rear, gave it a sand and looks good imo. Still got to strip paint from the hull before i can do much more.
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I would like to hear your opinions, I have now managed to come by some instructions so can work on the cabin glass.
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taking shape well . for my window frames ive been cutting the " frame " in reverse from some self adhesive silver stickers which i stick on the inside of the glass before gluing the " glass " to the cabin sides !
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taking shape well . for my window frames ive been cutting the " frame " in reverse from some self adhesive silver stickers which i stick on the inside of the glass before gluing the " glass " to the cabin sides !
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Nice build triumphjon
When I built my Fairey Huntsman 31 I used plumbers alluminum tape ( what they use to fix lagging )to cover the window frames,
it is self adheseive and easy to work with. looking forwards to seeing photo,s of it on the water.
john
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Hi biggus, what are you using to power your huntsman and what have you decided to use for your windows ? I'm doing something similar to yours but a bit behind your stage.
I decided to plank my deck and hopefuly it will look Ok. I keep reading your thread looking for info and ideas. Alan.
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photos of on the water wont be for a little while yet , its only had a couple of " sea trials " theres still quite a bit to finish , including the front skylight , rear sliding hatch , mast internal & external lighting and deck fittings !
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Hi biggus, what are you using to power your huntsman and what have you decided to use for your windows ? I'm doing something similar to yours but a bit behind your stage.
I decided to plank my deck and hopefuly it will look Ok. I keep reading your thread looking for info and ideas. Alan.
Its electric (I dont do nitro), motor is a Torpedo, I believe still not up to speed with boat stuff. For windows I will use thin sheets of lexan but for the frames Im still a little stumped as I dont fancy the stick on idea. Plankig would look great on deck although not sure I have patience nor ability to make it look good.
Regrds
Rich
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Can't add anything to the thread, just watching with interest. Great work up to now. :-)) :-)) :-))
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for the windows i,m planing on using .005" shim steel,- cut the inside to shape and size,- cut the outside oversize, pass through a laminator, - then finish trimming the outside (i need a bit more practise with the knife and scissors yet though :o).
PS. thanks Jon , the scoops arrived yesterday, I'll have a play with them in the week :-))
the window
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I got some 900 motors of fleabay, the rest of the build is going a bit slower than i hoped but its all getting there.
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cliff
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glad to hear the scoops have arrived , they could probably benifit from a little more polishing and possibly given a clear coating to retain the shine ? progress has slowed on my own 31 and stopped altogether on my spear . as you have been making your windows from shim steel what about using some litho printers sheet as this used to be alloy ( real huntsman have alloy frames ) ?
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Hi Rich, have you done your window frames yet ? The reason I'm asking is, I had a walk into a shop called HOBBYCRAFT in Bolton yesterday and found some sheets of Aluminium "10 by 4 inches and .016 thick. It looks Ideal for making the frames, but they're just under £3 each. I tried to take a couple of pics but it's hard work because of shine. Alan :-))
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Hi Ritchie, pity you couldn't make it wed night, that ally sheet from hobby craft looks good, and the right colour!!
For the frames I used clear plastic, from packaging like easter eggs etc! cut it out, drilled from the inside using a tiny drill bit but not all the way through, just before it was about to cut through, this created a "bump" when viewed from the correct side. Painted in aluminium paint, the bump fills with paint and from the correct side looks darker than the rest of the frame creating the illusion its the rivet detail all around the frame, only when you run your finger around the frame you realise its not a rivet, its the mind playing tricks!! :}
Then sticked some clear plastic behind for the window glass. I then scrounged some off cuts of window tint from the local tinting dealer, and stuck that on to "tint" the windows, then cyno'd the whole frame and glass on to the boat. Repeated the process on all side windows, as the front window has no rivets its the escape window and is different.
I do like the look of that ally sheet from hobbycraft, it would save on painting :-))
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red , one small problem with your huntsman 31 window frames , they are actually screwed together with counter sunk screws not rivets , the front screen is also screwed in the same manor as the other cabin frames .
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he has just said that they are smooth on the out side and give the appearance of a bolt/rivet/fastener in fact the boats where fitted out by dozens of different yards only the bare hull was supplied and so all different types of fasteners where used some where flush some slightly domed the slot would be 1/16 full size divided by 12 for 1/12 scale and you wold not see it , so what is the problem ?
Peter
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red , one small problem with your huntsman 31 window frames , they are actually screwed together with counter sunk screws not rivets , the front screen is also screwed in the same manor as the other cabin frames .
Mines a 28, bolts, screws, rivets, I doubt the terminology matters as long as something is there! At first glance, you would never know there is actually nothing on the outside, its a dimple from the inside and the paint creates the optical illusion. Same for the scoops, I dont really think anybody will be critical enough to comment if there is no screw slot in the bolt/rivet/screw :}
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Thanks for all the useful ideas guys. I have come up with an idea as Im never going to be able to cut the frames well enough but I can measure and draw and going to see if I can get a mate to do a CAD drawing and get them water cut out of thin alu plate (had bits done for my cars so no reason why cant do it for boat) :-))
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Started planking the deck but due to a slight monetary issue (hobby fund this month has taken a bit of a battering) I have had to put that on hold so got back to stripping the paint off hull, laborious job but will be worthwhile.
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Oh and this is where I got up to with planking, just a test at moment but Im happy I think.
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Hi Rich, your planking will look great as your putting the pattern in it. I didn't have the confidence to do that so just did plain, also the deck on mine wasn't exactly central and
even on both sides ( hoping it won't be seen from a distance LoL ) I'll have to keep it well away from side of lake. Anyway your build is looking good. Alan
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Thanks fella, think its going to be a long project but fun all the same.
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Project moved on a bit since last post, decking is done on one side
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Then took the boat to a mates house (ModelBoatMayhem member nighttug/confucius) to reset the prop angle for electric use, cheers Andy.
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well done ritchie! prop angle looks way better
maybe see you some time at Taylor Park, you could see the Huntsman that is exactly like yours running :-))
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Finally got all the strips put onto deck and some stain, now have 2nd coat of varnish on (in pic it is still wet, I have gone for satin finish)
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Paul I hope to get down to St Helens over the next couple of weekends and wednesdays (have a few weeks off from work at last)
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Varnish has dried and have to say Im happy with the finish, now motor is fitted and working on servo mount for rudder I may get this in lake on wednesday for a quick test before comitting myself to painting hull.
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Well done Rich, I've fallen a bit behind with mine again. I haven't finished the interior cabin or the deck fittings but I hope to put it on the water just to see how it looks and performs.
I think it will be slow but will have to wait for a while to get anything more powerful funds are down again. Our pet dog Toby has to have a tooth out and some blood test done on
Friday, it's going to cost £250 for him but he's worth it LoL. Anyway good luck if you take yours to lake on Wednesday, it's looking good. Alan
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Hi Richie,
not heard from Andy re wed night, so Huntsman could be getting its first bath on wed night!! :} followed by club 500 thrash! :-)) charge those batteries mate %%
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Huntsman had its test run today on 4s (14.4v) lipo with an 890kv outrunner brushless motor and had some niggling issues with prop shaft but when it did run it was quick. Time to strip down and paint hull and finish cabin.
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Hi Rich, I've just been down to Taylor Park but there wasn't anyone there from the club that is.
I was sat there for 45 mins before I decided no one was coming LoL just got back home now
so was your first sail a good one? Alan
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Hello Rich how are you , i see your also a member on here i to took the pluge as i have rekindled my interest in boats and like you i have a thing for wooden hulls so much more interesting than the RTR stuff i have had in the past .
I love the work you have done on the boat looks great you must let me know how the new motor performs in that hull as mine is about the same size if funds allow i hope to have mine finnished in 4/5 weeks we must have a day out on a lake when there both compleat .
Regards Ade.
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Hi Ritch, congrats on getting the Hunts wet! :}
Soz, couldnt talk the other day, gaffer was watching over me! Got to sort that prop seizing, otherwise the esc could pop, How about a new inner prop without the thread at motor end? Couple of quid from SHG at the shows bank hol weekend, and a ballrace bearing top end, ? then you can use a collet to take out the slop as we discussed? Make sure you have a washer at the back of the nut (prop end) otherwise at your high revs the nut will be backing into the bearing, all these little things get important when running fast. My mate silver solders my nuts on the shaft (ouch! {-)) so they cannot move if the prop goes loose.
I see from the pic the shaft has an oiler, did you lube the prop with oil?
Are you at lake sunday morning?
Paul
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Hey Ade good to see you on here, Paul I will be at lake on Sunday and intend to run the Huntsman again as it didnt get a proper test due to the nut issue. I have an oiler in place on shaft but the innershaft is also coated in teflon grease will talk to you more about it on Sunday (hope your huntsman will be there too as I need to look over a few things.
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fingers crossed Rithie, looking forward to the first club500 race, and Hunts batteries on charge as we speak,
Paul
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its not fair iv not got any think to run thats fast :((
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Don,t worry Andy my boat has no motor every think is faster than mine.
Regards Ade
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can i ask where you got the seats they look perfect for my huntsman
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Im not sure who the question is aimed at, not me I guess as I havent got any seats sorted yet for mine.
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Im not sure who the question is aimed at, not me I guess as I havent got any seats sorted yet for mine.
It fooled me too Ritchie. LoL Alan.
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hi biggus nice job so far had one of these boats years ago with a 61 size engine in it went like a bat out of hell but alas no more, now run with a swordsman
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Looks very nice chap, and a 61 thats a big motor in this size boat.
Bit more work done on it now, including its maiden run to test the setup and its working well. Now it has the white, blue and clearcoat on (not brilliant but will work just fine on the water), cabin has been sanded and filler primer applied ready for top coats.
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Ritchie, got to ask about the pills! Is that how you make your club 500 go so fast, give it drugs! :D
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{-) Didnt notice they were there, they are Diclofenac for my arthritis. Dont think they would help your Club 500, could try putting one in your motor and test it out.
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Been working on the cabin, now in paint and started on the windows... just doing it simply using .020 lexan and cutting strips of vinyl for the frames. Also had the name made for the transom, as previously mentioned its Jay Gee (for Jack and George my twin grandsons)
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Hi Rich,
As you're a fellow TC man I've been keeping an eye on this and must say you've made an excellent job of restoring her. A bit of a change from clambering around Black Rocks with the crawlers :-))
Cheers,
Roger
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Thanks Roger, Im doing the best I can... not perfect but for something I will enjoy running, enjoy satisfaction of building it I will be happy. Bit of a difference to working on the cars and yes a slight difference to clambering over rocks.