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Title: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 14, 2011, 11:22:54 PM
Good evening all,
With the drawing work for our first model, Free Enterprise V, almost complete and the project now moving to the slipway for construction, our thoughts are now turning to our second offering.  A few modellers have expressed an interest in the vessels of the North Sea Ferries fleet that plied their trade between Hull and Rotterdam / Zeebrugge.

We are delighted to announce that we have now commenced lofting the drawings for the M.V. NORLAND.

Completed in 1974 at the A.G. Weser, Bremerhaven yard in West Germany for North Sea Ferries, she commenced services in that year between Hull and Rotterdam. She remained on this route for 13 years - with a break of 1 year between April 1982 and April 1983 when she was requisitioned by the MOD for war service in the Falklands. In 1987, following lengthening at her original build yard, she switched to the Hull / Zeebrugge route and here she remained until her sale in 2002.

Our model will represent her in her pre-lengthened condition enabling the modeller to depict her in her Falklands guise with helicopter decks etc. should they so wish.

As will be usual with all Linkspan Models ferries, the scale will be 1:96.

More as we go along......
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 15, 2011, 04:29:10 AM
Put me down for one of them please Carl. You have just made me a very happy man and I'll go to work with a spring in my step even if it is half four in the morning.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 15, 2011, 04:20:58 PM
Ali - yours is Number 2 (Number 1 will be the prototype....)  :-)) :-)) :-))
Already, I am finding that this one is far easier to design than FEV.......

Will want to do the Norwave/Norwind too sometime..............but need to do a bit more research first.....

For the Norland / Norstar, if anyone can spare some detail photos of them I will be forever in your debt. I have the book 'Ships of the Night' kindly donated by Ali (wartsilaone) and it is very useful.......but closer, detailed images would never go amiss!!!!!!!
Cheers
Carl  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 15, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
Hi Carl. I'll see whet I can do.

Ali
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 15, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
OOPS!!! Wrong credit given for the book...............sorry Peter (HansP). :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

However Ali (wartsilaone) is also a very good chap and is equally helpful........

Now - where that spade so that I can dig myself out of this deep hole?????
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 15, 2011, 05:07:02 PM
Hi Carl. I was a bit confused. I thought for a minute that I'd lost one of may favourite books. Anyhoo check out  HVVferry web site for the G/A plans of Norwind/Norwave.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP on April 15, 2011, 10:56:36 PM
Carl,

No problem, just the fact that you're taking this model on is compensation enough for me! You are bringing back a North Sea Ferries icon and, for me, restoring many memories of the trips we had as a family on her between Rotterdam and Hull over the years.

Of course, if you're really feeling guilty then you could always send me a complimentary kit instead  :}

Keep up the good work!

Best wishes,

Peter.
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 20, 2011, 07:51:48 PM
Hi all. I am currently working on some decals which can be used on this model. They will look something like this.
(http://s1.postimage.org/2e6tcyphg/Untitled.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2e6tcyphg/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/2e6wo1eh0/nl_nsfo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2e6wo1eh0/)
A bit more development is needed to get the letters in the right font and the right size. I'll let you know how I get on in a few weeks.

Ali
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 20, 2011, 10:26:07 PM
Smashing job Ali - just what is needed  :-)) :-)) :-)) - will most likely get Barrys Model Lettering to produce the final kit graphics using your originals, if thats ok with you? Will be speaking with him soon about the Free Enterprise V graphics......

All the decks are now lofted, along with the f/g hull profile - and I have now figured out the method of superstructure removal to gain internal access.

Just going to start on the hull frame profiles then superstructure basics, then back onto deck detailing and support.

It is surprising just how much time is needed to be spent thinking through a build whilst preparing the drawings - it really isnt just a case of 'drawing a boat...'.

Enjoying it though  O0 O0
Carl

PS - Ali: about the Norwind / Norwave, I have checked out the HHV site and the plans are just the ticket. The only thing I really need now is a GA profile or similar drawing to work out deck heights, hull profile etc. Unlike Jecobin, I cannot work out the drawings to enough accuracy from a 3/4 view photograph (that man is amazing when it comes to ship drawings...) C.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 20, 2011, 11:40:05 PM
Hi Carl. I Have a side profile of Norwind in 1:1000 scale. As soon as i get my new scanner I will I will get it to you.
Ali
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 21, 2011, 10:27:57 AM
Now.....THAT would be the icing on the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Ali - look forward to that...
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Guy Bagley on April 21, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
we built a P and O ferry in LEGO some time ago, we were issued loads of  drawings for her, - i still have these on file somewhere...i will check to see if they can be sent elsewhere, - you may have more use for them in the future than we do as they sit in a file somewhere gathering dust........
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 21, 2011, 10:44:01 AM
Cheers for that Guy - if you can and are able, they will be given a very safe and loving home  :-))

I am in regular contact with Brian Rees (publicity officer) at P&O about the models, and he is very supportive of the venture and has helped me with obtaining photographs and drawings in the recent past, including introducing me to others who have helped....

Look forward to hearing from you soon...
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 21, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
Hi Carl. The lettering is proving quite difficult with the resources I have at hand but here is a taster of of where I am at the moment.
Ali.
(http://s3.postimage.org/25o7tjn7o/0_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/25o7tjn7o/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 24, 2011, 12:17:47 PM
Hi all. I've been putting in some hours over the last couple of days and come up with these.
(http://s3.postimage.org/31tdtki84/FINAL_inverted.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/31tdtki84/)

(http://s3.postimage.org/31tis6jpg/Norland_Norstar_name_template_inverted.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/31tis6jpg/)

Or if you prefer.
 
(http://s3.postimage.org/31tw0hbno/Norland_Norstar_name_template.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/31tw0hbno/)

And even.

(http://s3.postimage.org/31u5xpemc/Norwind_Norwave_template_inverted.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/31u5xpemc/)

Lit me know what you think. I can email them to if you like.

Here to help Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on April 24, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
All this is so exciting, keep up the good work!
Hama
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 25, 2011, 09:47:07 PM
Hi Ali - How are you doing these texts? Are they in 'word'? Will they be in a file format that we can send to the manufacturer (yet to speak to Barry = no idea what format he requires yet!!!!!  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

It seems the paint and lettering will be ready long before the model is!!!!! They do look VERY good........
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 25, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Hi Carl. The lettering was made on Paint. I'm going to redraw everything to get rid of the pixels using the these first ones as templates. I will need some guidance as to how big the lettering has to be as i have nothing to use as reference point.
Here is something which shows I was a bit bored over the weekend, you may be able to use this to scale the letters up.
(http://s3.postimage.org/fheplwn8/redo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fheplwn8/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 25, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Crikey Ali - it was sailing weather this weekend!!!!!!

As for the lettering sizes - I have imported your image into the CAD drawing and scaled it up and come up with the following:

The bow lettering 'NORLAND' = 65mm long x 8mm high
The Company lettering 'NORTH SEA FERRIES' = 356mm long x 30mm high
The stern lettering 'NORLAND' = 60mm long x 7mm high
The stern lettering 'HULL' = 25mm long x 6.5mm high

Hope this helps friend!!!! - Dont forget the 'NORTH SEA FERRIES' either side of the stern vehicle door!!! he he he..
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 25, 2011, 11:23:48 PM
Yes I was thinking of that Carl. I could do with a plan of the rear if you have one otherwise I'll have to knock something up.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 25, 2011, 11:35:23 PM
It will be a few more weeks yet before I can get to that stage..... As soon as I have something I will drop it down to you.
Need to loft out the decks accurately, including those within the hull and the tank top, to interpolate the shapes into hull frames. Not having lines drawings for the hull, it is the only way - takes bloomin' ages though!!! Once this is done, it will give us the transom shape - et voila, stern ramp size etc.
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 27, 2011, 01:19:02 AM
Hi Carl. Here is something I put together to work out how the "north sea ferries" fits in. It shows the difference in size between the main body of the hull and the flat stern, also how the rudders are off set from the props a fair bit.
(http://s1.postimage.org/1697rbvlw/stern1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1697rbvlw/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on April 27, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
Nice drawing Ali - is that your sketching? Very helpful to me I can tell you!!!

She will be a more simple hull to mould than that of the Free Enterprise.

I can see I am going to have to be EXTRA careful with getting the proportions right with this one - you guys know her far more intimately than I. %)
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 27, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Hi Carl. Yes it is a sketch of mine. It's not perfect but it will give you an idea of where all the windows and stuff are. I'll start work on the front view soon.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on April 29, 2011, 06:04:27 PM
Hi Carl. I'm sure your calculations will be much more comprehensive but here are my preparations for the 1:1000 scale models that I am planning to produce. The hull shape does look relatively simple but we'll see when I put the layers together.


(http://s4.postimage.org/2emhs2p0/IMG_00011.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/2emhs2p0/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 02:48:44 PM
Carl. I'm going to Bruges in May for the 25th anniversary if my beloved Norsea/Pride of york. Would you like some more photos?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 03:10:47 PM
My god yes please Ali!!!!!

As many outside deck and detail pictures as you can feasably manage without being locked up for 'terrorism activities' would be most useful.......

All photos are useful  :-)) :-)) :-))

If you manage to get on the bridge, some good clear shots of the GA plans (usually found on the back wall behind glass) would be the bees knees - as well as bridge interior shots. For the GA plans, one photograph of each deck layout would be clearer than trying to photograph the whole drawing at once........and obviously at as high a resolution as possible...

I feel that I am asking too much here Ali....sorry mate....

I wish I could do this exercise for all the boats I have planned............

Is this a special cruise then? Or something you are celebrating yourself? 25 years on one run is a major achievement for the ferry business. Pride of Dover managed to rack up 23 years (87 - 10)and Pride of Calais has managed 24 so far...........
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
Ok Carl. I'll see what I can do. I would love to get on the bridge but somehow I doubt it. However I will be able to get plenty of shots of Norland/Norstar and also Norwave/Norwind.                                                                                                                                            As for the the anniversary May 8th will 25 years since Norsea's maiden voyage. I'm taking the wife and I'm having some his and her's sweatshirts made up.                                                                                                                                                                 I'm going to stop there, I've said too much already. I'm starting to sound like a complete anorak, but maybe you already knew that.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 03:40:28 PM
Not at all mate - why not drop the skipper a line before you go c/o the Company Office in Hull letting him know why you are travelling and your enthusiasm for North Sea Ferries..........he may be accommodating. I've known it happen...........

C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 03:49:31 PM
It may be worth a shot. I'm not even that bothered about going to Bruges as I've been there many times before. If I could stay on the the ship all day and have a nosey about it really be something. But that would mean I wouldn't get them photos.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 03:50:33 PM
Hope they have spruced her up since last year. Watch you dont miss the Russian submarine in the Zeebrugge dock area, if you like that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 03:59:13 PM
Hi Duncan. She did look pretty good after her visit to South Shields last February but the cruel north sea never lets up on trying to paint and metal work.
I assume that photo was taken from the Rossife ferry. I'll have to do that trip one day.

PS. Sorry Carl for High jacking your thread.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 04:06:39 PM
Correct Ali but we went because the route was ending, nothing from Rosyth now sadly.  We were on the Scottish Viking which opens up a train of thought ,sorry, thinking about recent rail ferry chat ! I hope some of the emerging ferry models will have couple that have exposed deck space for vehicles, or trains for the older ones. Copyright photograph acknowledged.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 04:09:30 PM
Nord-Pars-De-Calais springs to mind.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
I dont class this conversation as 'hijacking'..........its all 'ferry talk' to me, and most enjoyable  :-)) :-)) :-))
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 04:24:31 PM
OK here is a starter for ten :D    Hmmm not very pretty :((
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 04:27:23 PM
Ali will know it - Norking.........
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 04:56:35 PM
Check this out!
http://www.boregroup.com/bore/images.nsf/files/E7DB3C9E26ABC698C225723E0037AEED/$file/Norqueen.pdf
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 04:58:06 PM
And this!
http://www.boregroup.com/bore/images.nsf/files/FBD80AA615642896C225723E0037C61D/$file/Norstream.pdf
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 05:00:15 PM
HA!!!!!

Great minds think alike...........I just sent you an email with these attached - candidates for waterlining??????

Will get the FEV drawings over to you by the weekend mate  :-))
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 05:03:13 PM
Yes I wish every ship company was as forthcoming as this one.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on November 08, 2011, 09:23:03 PM
Hi Ali do thoes links work as it opens up a new page with nothing on it?

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 09:29:55 PM
See if this one works.
http://www.boregroup.com/bore/cms.nsf/www/ourfleet
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on November 08, 2011, 09:34:53 PM
Hi Ali
yes that works ,thanks nice find.

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 10:07:43 PM

(http://s10.postimage.org/u39z1qy5x/user1947_pic72594_1309024848.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/u39z1qy5x/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Something youre not telling me Ali???? {:-{ {:-{ {:-{

Have you been building on the quiet????

That is a cracking model  :-)) :-)). Where did you find it???
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 10:14:08 PM
It's on a dutch forum. I think it's 1:50 scale, at more than three metres long it must be.
http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/werkschepen/21746-ms-norstar.html
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 10:23:35 PM
YIKES!!!!

3.45m long, 0.5m wide and weighs over 130kg when on the water!!!!

A very beautiful model - and will be even more incredible when she is finished.  Any bigger and the owner will not need a conventional ferry to get to the UK!!!!!!!!!!

From my, admittedly very poor understanding of Dutch, one of the guys on that site is building the Norqueen? :o :o

Have bookmarked it for closer study 8) 8) 8)

Thanks for that Ali  :-)) I think I may register there and post up some news about our little ventures with the r/c and waterline ferries.....you never know!!
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 10:25:39 PM
You Never Know!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on November 08, 2011, 10:28:17 PM
From what I under stand she will never be finished. see link  >>:-( :(( <:( <:( <:(

http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/bouwverslagen-schepen/140699-bouw-containerschip-op-basis-van-norstar-romp.html

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 10:36:36 PM
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!

What has he done???????????

He took a jigsaw to it and cut it up!!!!!!!!!!

Ali mate - I know a good counsellor - she will soothe your brow!!!!!

Bloody hethen!!!!!!!
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on November 08, 2011, 10:41:46 PM
yes i did not want to say ,but what planet is he on . all that work down the drain all for a box boat.

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 10:54:57 PM
My heart sank just like the boat would having been cut in half. I could not believe it.

Still not the first time this has happened.

As they say suit your self.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 10:59:20 PM
If only wee'd known a few months earlier.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 08, 2011, 11:00:09 PM
Ali - when the time comes, which would you build (I think I can guess....) Norland or Norstar?

My guess is Norland...........if so, then we will build the prototype as Norstar.....

All the drawings should be finished by the end of December.......concerted effort is planned. I want to start prototyping in the new year.
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 11:11:49 PM
Carl. You're damn right! The Norland was the first north sea ferry I went on and you know how it goes. You never forget your first time.
It's good to hear you're progressing. I wish I could help you more. If I come across anything I'll let you know.
(http://s11.postimage.org/eqvqo7m9r/MINIATURE_OF_NORWIND.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/eqvqo7m9r/)

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP on November 15, 2011, 03:11:55 PM
A useful link for more photos of the Norland -> http://www.quaysides.co.uk/norland.htm

The photo sequence toward the end documents her final departure from Hull, "saluted by Norsun and Pride of Hull....."

Regards,

HansP
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 15, 2011, 03:21:30 PM
A gold mine!!!

Thankyou Peter - lovely photos there.............will be very useful  :-)) :-)) :-))
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Netleyned on November 16, 2011, 05:37:38 PM
Now gonna be Bahamian from Hull

Ned
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on November 28, 2011, 01:04:51 AM
Hi John - that link doesn't work for me?

Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on November 28, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
Here you are Dave.
http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/werkschepen/21746-ms-norstar.html
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on January 10, 2012, 11:57:48 PM
Hi Carl. Not sure if you've seen this one but there's some cracking Photos.

http://www.quaysides.co.uk/norland.htm

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 11, 2012, 12:20:01 AM
Hi Ali - Yep got that one and downloaded all the photos to my archive file  :-)) :-)) :-))

I have dropped a line to P&O asking if they can introduce me to their naval architect practice that they use for classification work. I am hoping that they will have record drawings of all the older vessels, including those of the NSF fleet, stashed away somewhere (on a computer?) that they could let me have.
Will report back in due course......

Cracked on with the hull profiles over Christmas - not the easiest of hull shapes I can tell you  {:-{ {:-{
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on January 11, 2012, 12:31:40 AM
I'm sure you've got your hand full with the FEV but it's nice to know you haven't forgotten her.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on January 11, 2012, 05:01:25 AM
drawings of all the older vessels that they could let me have.

Carl I bet you could get where water couldn't.
By the way - for each new design - is there always a model built? Where would they usually reside?

Dave .............. after a long break I'm back at work tomorrow night  <:( <:( <:(
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on January 11, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
Norwind
Norland
Norstar
Norsun....................Alll in the entrance hall at Zeebrugge

Norsea....................in the waiting area, Hull

Norbay
Norbank..................Unknown, Possibly Rotterdam, maybe Liverpool.

Pride of Hull
Pride of Rotterdam...if there are any models they will be in the new terminal at Hull or in Rotterdam.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 11, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
Carl I bet you could get where water couldn't.
By the way - for each new design - is there always a model built? Where would they usually reside?

Dave .............. after a long break I'm back at work tomorrow night  <:( <:( <:(

Ali has list the main lot.
As morden ships are modeled on computers with virtual 3D avaible there is not a need to do models as much as there use to be. Sadly is is an area in shipbuild that is slowly dieying out. High profile ships have models built for press realise etc but run of the mill ships sadly no more

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on January 11, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
That is sad John and proves not all progress is good.
One of my abiding childhood memories is visiting the museum in Liverpool
and seeing all the ships models - nearly all bigger than I was. Dinosaur bones
couldn't hold a candle to those old girls.

Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 11, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
For P&O I know that they have Pride of Dover, Kent and Canterbury along with European Seaway at their Dover office reception, and a large model of the Spirit of Britain resides on the ship.
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on January 11, 2012, 09:13:32 PM
Even these days I think most big ships have a model made of them, be it a commission or a shipyard model.

(http://s13.postimage.org/calqwt777/2_1310572230_stena_hollandica.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/calqwt777/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/b44sksvev/stena_hollandica_technical_2.jpg)[/url
You can see the reflection of the real ship too.

Ali.
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 (http://postimage.org/image/b44sksvev/)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on January 11, 2012, 09:26:12 PM
You can see the reflection of the real ship too.

Now was that an artistic decision Ali? 8)

Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 11, 2012, 09:28:21 PM
You can see the reflection of the real ship too.
Ali.
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I can NOW......thought I was going daft  %% %% %%
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 11, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
. I missed wored what I was trying to say. The big shipyard models you see in muesum eg QE2 from John Brows yard now n the Glasgow transport muesum are not done. Morden ship building dosent require them for tank testing etc. Them may make some to see how liverys work.
 How ever Shipping companys  still order models for the office and board room.dissplay  on there ships etc.

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2012, 01:18:27 AM
Hi Carl,

I have come across your thread and acknowledge your diligent work in constructing model boat kits from scratch.

As you seem to have a penchant for ferries and passenger vessels in general I thought my contributions in a German model boaters' forum might be of interest to you too.

A couple of weeks ago I discovered the DELFTship (DS) hull lofting programme and was struck by it.
First because in its base version it can be downloaded and used totally free of any license charges.
And believe me, the free version is fully sufficient for generating lines plans suited for model making purposes.
I can only nudge you towards using this software for your hull frames reconstruction work too as it will save you hundreds of tedious drafting hours.
I was so amazed how quickly I could get grips of DS and produce hull lines of all sorts of vessels in virtually no time.
Added to this comes the benefit that once you have produced a hull model you can set as many sections at any position of the hull as you please, be it frame sections, waterlines, buttocks or diagonals.
You can also linearly scale a hull to any other suitable dimensions, so that you can start with a similar base form and scale that to you intended design's main dimensions.
This will cut the time to arrive at a set of lines even further.
But you could also transform a hull by the relevant naval architect's hull form parameters according to Lackenby's method, if you feel so inclined.
Thus you can produce hull lines like a ship yard would on contracting a new order.

I have started digitizing hull forms here in my thread in said forum from mainly data sheets of vessels that can be found on a few shipping companies' websites which contain little excerpts from the general arrangement plans (GAP).
Because one can load those GAP excerpts as background images in DS and gather the hull lines from there.
For some of the hull lines that I present I possessed a copy of the vessel's body plan.
Some of the lines were produced on request of other model boaters who wanted to build a model of a particular vessel but lacked plans of her.

As I already have posted hull lines of some cruise ships and a ferry maybe this could nurture your interest as well?

However, a word of warning, concerning the loading time of the images in the first few postings of mine.
When I started publishing them in that forum I didn't care for the image sizes but just set links to the bmp files as DS output them (of course DS also handles the common CAD file format DXF in case you require to further process them in another CAD programme).
Until a model boater friend complained about the pages' loading time.
From then on I converted the images to compressed file formats beforehand to which I link now.
So the latter postings in my thread will load much faster.

Here are e.g. my hull lines of one of the most elegant and sleek ferries ever built in my opinion (until they ruined her by adding ugly buoyancy blisters to her hull to meet IMO/SOLAS regulations introduced after the ESTONIA sinking).

see hull lines of TOR BRITANIA (http://www.rc-modellbau-schiffe.de/wbb2/thread.php?postid=250891#post250891).

How about producing a kit of her?

Cheers
Ralph
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on January 18, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
A couple of weeks ago I discovered the DELFTship (DS)
I was so amazed how quickly I could get grips of DS and produce hull lines

Hi Ralph

That was an interesting post and link. I admit I would like to be able to produce simple plans and frames etc.
Is DS the sort of program a person with no experience of drafting could learn? I assume you had relevant
skills before you got DS.

Regards Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on January 18, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
dave try this


http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19208.0

Peter
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on January 18, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
I've tried DS before but never got to grips with it. Seeing that there is a tutorial on here I thought I'd download it again and give it another try. The only thing is, the site is closed for maintenance so I'll have to wait.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 18, 2012, 09:50:28 PM
Hi Ralph
I have had a look at the post on Tor Britainnia ,very impressive. I am working my way through all the 5 pages on the thread you have done on the German forum via Google translator. I have a question is there much on model ferries on the diffrent German forums?

John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
Hi Ralph

That was an interesting post and link. I admit I would like to be able to produce simple plans and frames etc.
Is DS the sort of program a person with no experience of drafting could learn? I assume you had relevant
skills before you got DS.

Regards Dave
Hi Dave,

sure one can learn handling DELFTship (DS).
Maybe even easier if you haven't had much exposure to lines drawing in naval architecture.
I have to admit that I have some experience in manually drafting hull lines with the naval architect's tool set of special drawing instruments like e.g. ship curves, splines and ducks, planimeter, drawing compass and ink pens.
But this was many years ago.
I can remember that it took almost a whole day of drawing just the grid for the section planes and made your back ache.
This had to be done with utmost care and precision as the whole lines plan relied on an accurate grid.
I think that DS maybe is easier to fathom if you don't have this background because you are not mentally bound to working on the respective spline curves of body sections, waterlines and buttocks which makes it getting used to the hull model that DS employs in the beginning.
In DS you manipulate a 3-dimensional set of control points, edges and surfaces which form and define the hull by moving them and inserting new ones or collapsing them where appropriate with the mouse or other pointing device.
Though you can lay control splines at any section of the hull model that is not quite the way the traditional naval architect is used to proceed.
I thus found it an enormous help in DS if you often change the display window to the 3-dimensional perspective view of the so far generated hull, especially if you marked certain control points and edges by clicking them in one section view with the mouse and thereby highlighting them in yellow on which you currently worked.
This helps really seeing what influence certain manipulations have on the hull as all changes are promoted to all views in quasi real-time.
Especially, if your working on an area of the hull which is particularly tricky like e.g. the tumbling in bulwark of a tug's stern.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
Hi Ralph
I have had a look at the post on Tor Britainnia ,very impressive. I am working my way through all the 5 pages on the thread you have done on the German forum via Google translator. I have a question is there much on model ferries on the diffrent German forums?

John
Hi John,

I am really sorry that you took the pain to sift through my German outpour.
When I wrote it I didn't have a Non-German audience in mind.
Basically, I dropped a few words about my motivation why I chose the respective vessel and had a few remarks about the vessel's background and what sources I used for reconstruction of lines (i.e. mostly articles in naval architecture periodicals of (then) newbuildings' descriptions as well as data sheets which were available at shipping operators' websites).

I am afraid, I don't know of any German forum or club devoted to model ferries.
For unknown reasons one very rarely, if ever, sees model buildings of ferries at RC model boaters' meetings, which is a pity.

I only found this reference to a model of TOR BRITANNIA (http://www.saemann-aetztechnik.de/kundenarbeiten/schiffe/schulz.html).
But on the website of the Hamburg model boats club
(who have a several time world champion in scale ship model making (see Mottschall's homepage (http://www.modellbau-mottschall.de)) amongst their members)
I cannot find any photos or further reference to the model which purportedly was built by an SMC Hamburg member.

Unfortunately, the shipyard which built TOR BRITANNIA (i.e. Lübecker Flender-Werft) which I visited over many years during my summer holidays at the Baltic Sea in the Lübeck Bay area, especially when spectacular launches of newbuildings were due, is no longer in existence.

HTH
Ralph
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 23, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Hi Ralph
I have now worked through the 6 pages. I mst say very impressive. Google does an ok job of translating and I can get the gist of what is being said. I like the drawing of Silja Symphony ,I have been on her twice. Yoo are very good at Delf ship program.
What I was asking if there any post / threads on RC-Modellbau- Schiffe . DE Forum on Ferry models .


John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 23, 2012, 11:24:34 PM
Hi Ralph - Please forgive me for not answering sooner....I have been so snowed under at work and then spending hours in the workshop, I havent seemed to have had much time to contribute much on here lately....

I had a quick look at your posts on the German site and, I have to say, I am extremely impressed with your work.  I have had a look at Delftship in the recent past but I find that I just cant get my head around it at the moment.

I am, primarily, a 2D draughtsman on CAD - where I can draw 2D images and then convert them to 3D in my mind to visualise the finished result, the consequences of 'old school' teaching in architecture.  Today, the 'young guns' all use 3D packages to produce building designs, however I seem to be stuck in the past producing drawings as if I was still on my 'double elepant' sized drawing board!!!!!

Thank you for the complimentary comments re the kits - I am trying to produce something that either no-one (or very few) have tried commercially before, so it is taking some time (especially for the first one), and I am having to learn as I go.........I want to get it right, and there are a few friends on here who are waiting very patiently for me to progress (thank you all  :-))).........but it is just me at the moment - with some help in the background with technical matters - so it is taking a little longer than I would like....

As for a kit of the Tor Britannia (or Hollandia?) - that is certainly a subject worth considering...........I will drop you a PM tomorrow if you dont mind as I have a few questions that I dont want to clutter up this thread with.

Regards
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on January 28, 2012, 06:15:36 PM
Hi Carl,

I noticed that you still lack a lines plan of NORLAND.
And as it isn't too much ado for me I felt free to take the side elevation (presumably from a general arrangements plan (GAP)) which you posted initially in this thread, and reconstruct a set of hull lines of NORLAND in DELFTship.
Then on hhvferry.com I discovered some decks views (http://hhvferry.com/norlandstar_origpm.jpg) (purportedly from the GAP).
And finally, from this Wikipedia article on MV NORLAND (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Norland) I took her main dimensions.
I preferred to create my set of lines with her original dimensions as built, because according to this article and some photos that I viewed of her on shipspotting.com, she was lengthened in 1987 by a 20.5m midship section.
I think if a model boater has the additional required transportation capacity and thus wishes to build her in the lengthened version
that it won't be a too challenging task to supply a fitting midship section from the lines.
With regard to the reported beam I am not sure if that is her moulded breadth or her over all breadth, including the for ferry vessels typical fenders.
Anyway, any deviations resulting from this I consider not to be conspicuous on a model.
The proportions seem to look balanced.

Thus I took these dimensions:

Lpp........138.00 m
B..............25.20 m
T................6.02 m

About the lower knuckle line in depth of the car deck I am not sure how far to the bow it extends.
I only had very few pictures from shipspotting.com as a reference which were quite shady in this area of the fore ship.
On those it looked to me that the knuckle line didn't have a visible crease edge forming influence any more.

However, if you are interested I could supply you with my resulting DELFTship (DS) fbm data file.
With it you could download the free version of DS and further improve or correct my set of lines if your reference material shows better evidence.
Beyond, you can create sections (i.e. frames, waterlines, buttocks, diagonals) at virtually any point of the hull in any required spacing.
You could also discard all the sections that I had set without affecting the shape of the hull.
I think this is an invaluable feature of digitized hull lines for any model boater as you can arrange e.g. frames where your model construction would require them.

Here I will only post the body plan and compound lines plan that DS created of my work.
If you want to see more (e.g. 3D model preview shots) see my posting in my thread on our German forum (http://www.rc-modellbau-schiffe.de/wbb2/thread.php?postid=262507#post262507).

Regards
Ralph


(http://slipway.in-berlin.de/maritime/ships/norland/Norland_bodyplan.jpg)



(http://slipway.in-berlin.de/maritime/ships/norland/Norland_Linesplan.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 01, 2012, 04:18:26 PM
Hi Ralph,

That is incredible work - I am in awe!!!!!!

I have many questions - so I sent you a PM (didnt want to clutter up the forum.....).

The particulars you have would have been breadth moulded - the rubbing strakes would be extra - though as you say, at a model size of 1:96 I dont think it is critical so long as the main features are all in proportion to each other.  And I agree with you about the length - it is my intention to offer her at her original length and offer a hull section for those who want to re-create the lengthened version.

I have many more photos of her - including some detailed underhull and close-up shots - but this I have mentioned in the PM......................

Thanks for taking the time to produce these drawings - they certainly are a work of art  :-))
Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on February 01, 2012, 09:59:31 PM
I have a feeling the stated breadth of 25.2 m includes rubbing stakes. The lock at Hull is 25.9 m wide and there's about foot clearance on either side.

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 01, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
I will bow to your superior knowledge on this one Ali - you know her far far better than I do... Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 02, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
Ali - these are the particulars I have for the Norland. Can you please confirm their accuracy please?
Cheers, Carl

Technical Details (Prior to 1987 Lengthening)
Shipyard AG 'Weser', Werk Seebeck, Bremerhaven, Germany
Launched 1973
Construction Number 972
Delivered 1974
Length Overall 152.77m
Width 25.2m
Draught 5.2m
Gross Tonnage 12988 BRZ / GT
Speed 18.5kts
Engines 2 x Stork-Werkspoor 16TM Diesels
Load Capacity 500 Cars
Passengers 1243
Flag United Kingdom
IMO Number 7333822

Technical Details (Following 1987 Lengthening)
Length Overall 173.25m
Draught 5.7m
Gross Tonnage 27000 BRZ / GT
Passengers 889
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Talisman on February 02, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
Hi Carl,


However, if you are interested I could supply you with my resulting DELFTship (DS) fbm data file.
With it you could download the free version of DS and further improve or correct my set of lines if your reference material shows better evidence.

Regards
Ralph



You don't get offers like that every day....
Carl, with those files you know what i could do with them...
Regards,
Kim
Let the record show I'm not pursuing them ... regardless of how tempting!!!...
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 02, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
You don't get offers like that every day....
Carl, with those files you know what i could do with them...
Regards,
Kim
Let the record show I'm not pursuing them ... regardless of how tempting!!!...

Dont I know it Kim, dont I know it....................
Rest assured, the moss is not growing under my feet!!!!
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norseman on February 02, 2012, 05:23:07 PM
Are the feet up on the old desk again then Carl?  {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 02, 2012, 05:32:16 PM
I wish  %) - luckily, I can leave Mayhem running in the background whilst I try and concentrate on some paying work  %% %%

Just hope the boss doesnt look over my shoulder :police: :police:
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Talisman on February 02, 2012, 05:37:57 PM
The first rule of a Hobie must be ...
Don't let work get in the way...
and if you can make it pay ...


Perhaps the next line should be ....
Don't delay?

Just thoughts
Kim
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on February 02, 2012, 08:38:25 PM
All looks good Carl..apart the engine type.

TM410's

Ali.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 02, 2012, 08:43:43 PM
Cheers Ali - not heard yet from Ralph, but will keep on............
C
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on February 02, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
Not sure how many cylinders they have but have look at this.......MUSIC....SWEET MUSIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtYETSuWpQU&feature=related

Ali

PS As you stated Probably 16 cylinders each.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on February 06, 2012, 01:38:53 AM
Hello Carl,

a couple of days ago I sent you an email to your submitted address and attached the fbm file of my NORLAND lines to it.

I hope that the mail server serving the given MX domain accepted my attachment, though its size was a mere ca. 250 KB which normally should be below the deny threshold of most servers.

Regards
Ralph



P.S. I posted my estimate of the hull lines of the French ferry NAPOLEON BONAPARTE a few hours ago in my thread.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 14, 2013, 11:26:53 PM
1.590 metres long  :-))
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes1_zps93a05374.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes1_zps93a05374.jpg.html)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes2_zps67bff51a.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes2_zps67bff51a.jpg.html)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes3_zps03d46656.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes3_zps03d46656.jpg.html)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes1_zps93a05374.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes1_zps93a05374.jpg.html)
 
 8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 14, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes4_zps58b08387.jpg) (http://s513.photobucket.com/user/carlmtflo/media/Norland%20and%20Norstar/hullframes4_zps58b08387.jpg.html)
 
 :-)) 8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on July 15, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
Hi Carl,
Those (virtual) hull outlines look spot-on!  You are giving us an enticing glimpse of Norland / Norstar, and judging from you WIP photos of your first kit, this will also be one to savour. Keep at it!
Best wishes,
HansP
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: wartsilaone on July 18, 2013, 09:52:41 PM
Hi Carl,
consider my appetite thoroughly wetted.....I can't wait.


Ali
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 23, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
Now that the Free Enterprise V plug is finished, I can move on to working on the plug for the Norland......
 
All the frames and keel have been printed and now transferred to ply ready for cutting.  This plug will be done differently to the FEV in that it will be plank-on-frame.
Here we go - the clock is ticking!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor231114-1_zps226b78e7.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor231114-2_zps84af736b.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 29, 2014, 01:58:12 PM
Been turning perfectly good sheets of plywood into sawdust this morning  %%
 
Roughed out the hull profiles for the plug - now to run them through the bandsaw to get them to the proper shape....
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor291114-1_zps89c97a0e.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 30, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
Hull profiles all cut to shape!!!
Now to see if it actually resembles a hull when it is all fitted together..... %%
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor301114-1_zps758cb8bb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor301114-2_zpsd8da4fb4.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor301114-3_zps4bddeb61.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor301114-4_zps354c9941.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on November 30, 2014, 08:59:45 PM

Now that is really a nice bit of saw work.    :-))


Ken
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 30, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
Thanks Ken!!  :-))
Managed to break a new bandsaw blade in the process though, which was a bit of an annoyance.......
 
Pleased that I got it all done though - need to take a trip to B&Q tomorrow to buy a plank of mdf long enough to mount it all on.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 01, 2014, 10:36:36 AM

I love my bandsaw.  i even cut the dog's biscuits into three's  by hand, each side of the blade   :o   I use it for everything I can.

You blades must be quite thin , as I've never broken one in 50 years. Just worn them to death.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on December 02, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
Carl,

This is brilliant news and thank you so much for sharing your progress with us. The pictures of the hull spacers look great, and the shot of that keel former gives a tantalising first glimpse of the size of what you're about to create.

The loss of hard drives and all that much data can feel like a body blow - the same thing happened to me years ago, when my hard drive crashed and I thought I'd lost almost four years worth of detailed 3D mesh and texture modelling for umpteen railway simulation projects. It almost finished my interest in the hobby; so well done for getting back up and keeping going.  :-))

Can't wait to witness next year's progress with this model  - slowly but surely you are re-awakening a slumbering North Sea giant from the past, all power to you! 

Best wishes,

Peter
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 02, 2014, 11:27:57 PM
I love my bandsaw.  i even cut the dog's biscuits into three's  by hand, each side of the blade   :o   I use it for everything I can.

You blades must be quite thin , as I've never broken one in 50 years. Just worn them to death.

Cheers

ken

Hi Ken - yes, the blade is very thin and runs on a 3 wheel Dewalt DW100 saw.  Spoke with Ian at Tuff Saw's who supplied the blades and he has said that if I send it back he will have a go at re-welding it. It is a 1/4" Hobby/Thin Gauge blade with fine teeth so that it doesnt rip the ply to shreds....
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 02, 2014, 11:33:41 PM
Carl,

This is brilliant news and thank you so much for sharing your progress with us. The pictures of the hull spacers look great, and the shot of that keel former gives a tantalising first glimpse of the size of what you're about to create.

The loss of hard drives and all that much data can feel like a body blow - the same thing happened to me years ago, when my hard drive crashed and I thought I'd lost almost four years worth of detailed 3D mesh and texture modelling for umpteen railway simulation projects. It almost finished my interest in the hobby; so well done for getting back up and keeping going.  :-))

Can't wait to witness next year's progress with this model  - slowly but surely you are re-awakening a slumbering North Sea giant from the past, all power to you! 

Best wishes,

Peter

Hi Peter - Long time no hear!!!
Hope you are well?
 
Yes, the data crash was rather a body-blow but, thanks to some wonderful friends in various places, I seem to have managed to recover most of the lost data as we exchanged a lot of info between us over the years - effectively, my friends acted as a 'data backup storage'  {-) .
 
As to the ferries - now that I have a half-decent workshop and the day-job has calmed down a bit, I am thoroughly enjoying myself with these.  The fact that the workshop is just 5 paces out of my dining room through 1 door is a great incentive to get things done - no traipsing down a cold garden to a shed!!!!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 07, 2014, 07:14:52 PM
Another productive day in the shipyard!!!
 
All the hull bulkheads prepped and ready to be fitted to the building board :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-1_zpsd1e4ec3b.jpg)
 
These were then clamped to the board and securely screwed down :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-2_zpsebc560b5.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-4_zps0a407025.jpg)
 
All present and correct!!! Just the keel to add :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-6_zps360b8915.jpg)
 
Keel added!!! :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-7_zpsbf27c21f.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-8_zps51d03ccb.jpg)
 
Now for a spot of planking........
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor071214-9_zps94db2f94.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on December 07, 2014, 08:04:18 PM
Fantastic stuff Carl, looking absolutely superb!  :-))  :D  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 09, 2014, 11:41:04 PM
Been 'eyeing in' the planking and sanding the bulkheads to ensure they lie fair.
 
Dropped a few planks on dry to see how they run and try and work out the sequence:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor091214-1_zps8a35cde7.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor091214-2_zpsdbcd5521.jpg)
 
It is going to be a bit of a bind having to turn this model around every couple of planks - but that's the way it has to be!!!!
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 10, 2014, 11:17:33 AM

I had this problem with one of my  'Big'  boats.

I put a pivot point in one end of the base frame and a fold up leg on the other. I then swung the base board out into the workshop on the pivot and fold the leg down to the floor.  It looked like an ironing board and I was able to walk around both sides.

When finished for the day I could fold the arm away and swing the whole assembly back onto the bench.

Hope this helps

ken
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 10, 2014, 11:27:06 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Ken  :-))  I will probably give that a go this weekend  O0 . Will make life so much easier!!!
 
Well, this evening I started the planking - both sides.  This is the first ever planking I have done in my life!!!  Time consuming isnt it?
Got this far and will let this lot dry off and continue tomorrow evening........
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor101214-1_zpsc1af03d5.jpg)
 
Doesnt look much does it?
 :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: derekwarner on December 11, 2014, 01:00:23 AM
Hi Carl....planking is time consuming but is also such a rewarding experience  :-))....you will love the final product  O0

It appears that you are using PVA white glue....which is OK providing it is adequately sealed [interior & exterior], and one plank installed to port followed by one identically located plank to stdb is the rule  :-))

The planking material also appears to be relatively close straight grained which is a good attribute when you come to steam bending....what species of timber is it?

However am unsure why the planking length spans 4 frames only where you also show one plank spanning approx. 14 frames ?..... keep us posted with images...... Derek
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 11, 2014, 09:21:10 AM
Hi Derek,
Yes, I can agree that this caper of planking is surely a peaceful exercise!! It cant be rushed.....
 
The timber I am using is cedar from Dennis at Twigfolly - good price and very quick service  :-))
 
As for glue, yes it is pva but this is only a plug - it will not see water. Once all the planking is on I will give the inside a couple of coats of resin to add strength before working on the outside of it.
 
Re the planking lengths - the elements only spanning 4 frames are forming the section of superstructure above and in line with the main hull as shown below (where the concentration of windows is). On the finished plug there will be guidelines here to show where to cut the final shape and where the windows will be. The first plank spanning 14 frames is the first of the main hull planks:
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/NORLANDframes_zpsb8632838.jpg)
 
Looking forward to carrying on with it this evening  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Liverbudgie on December 11, 2014, 12:22:18 PM
Instead of individual pins to hold the planks used a good hand stapler, I don't mean the office desk type either Stanley do a good one and I got mine from Screwfix.

LB
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 14, 2014, 11:35:49 PM
Planking, planking, planking................
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor141214-2_zps5c4c2e88.jpg)
 
I have a feeling that this is going to take a bit of time!!  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dana futura on December 18, 2014, 11:49:10 PM
Another favorite ferry. Keep planking mate. Nice job  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 20, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
And yet more planking.......... %)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor201214-2_zpsaa752548.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor201214-1_zpsee9866c3.jpg)
 
Will it ever end I ask myself........ %%
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on December 20, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
Hi Carl
looking good. For the bow are you going to be using blocks of wood?

john
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 20, 2014, 09:14:10 PM
Thanks John - Yes, for the bow and the stern also. I have the templates at the different waterlines ready so that the shape comes out correct.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Leaky Bottom on December 20, 2014, 09:36:29 PM
Just as a matter of interest where about do you sail your boats, is it in Redditch.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on December 20, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
To be honest, I havent had the time to actually sail anything in over a year now  >:-o
 
I dont know of a lake in or near Redditch to sail on, but there are quite a few canals!!! Are you local?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Leaky Bottom on December 20, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Yes I am in Redditch, I tried getting the use of Arrow Valley lake from the council but after almost a year I gave up and now I travel to Bournville
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on January 02, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
Hello Carl,

I wish you a very happy New Year, and one more fortunate than the past was to you!

Your stamina and pursuit of your kit developments against all odds are awe-inspiring.

Now, seeing your NORLAND plug build taking shape is very impressive.

Thank you for letting us peer in your workshop by posting those photos.
When I saw you standing in front of your disc-type sander smoothing frames on one of them I really thought this was a colleague of mine who has a spitting resemblance.

Me lacking any machinery, and only having a venerable manual fretsaw for cutting frames, keels, decks etc. I always used to position the paper template frames on the plywood so that the edge of the stand extensions to assemble the frames keel-up on the building slip board would coincide with the edges of the plywood sheets.
This would save me from long freehand fretsaw cuts that need to exhibit a straight line, which is always a bit difficult to saw.

Also I used a kind of trolley where I fixed my building slip board on, which used to be an undercarriage for a TV-set.
So I didn't need to lift and turn the whole slip board with the hull's frame carcass each time when I needed to fix another plank stripe to the other side.

Regrads,
Ralph
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 18, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
Belated Happy New Year All!!!!  :-)
 
After spending some time on preparing fittings and details for the Free Enterprise kit, I have now managed to get a chance to carry on with planking the Norland plug.  I think the phrase is "we are getting there!!!!" :
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor180115-1_zpsc6d54b7b.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 09, 2015, 09:37:41 PM
Planking is finished!!!!
 
For a first time effort, I dont think it has come out too shabily..... wood blocks fitted where the curvature was too much for planking and now the sanding begins. Not looking for perfection from the wood, just a good enough surface that a skim of filler or two would suffice.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor090215-5_zps5b2041b3.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor090215-6_zpsfb34bc92.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor090215-7_zpsa0f81b67.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on February 10, 2015, 11:58:19 AM
Hi Carl,

Beautiful work  :-))

Really good to see major progress like this, thanks for sharing the update with us and best of luck for next stages.

Best wishes,

HansP.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 11, 2015, 10:47:29 PM
Many thanks for the compliments Peter!!!! I have to say I really enjoyed laying the planking, and it was so satisfying to see the shape coming together. That cedar planking from Twigfolly really is good stuff - highly recommended  O0 .
 
Spent this evening shaping the bow and bulb.  It helped enormously marking the known 'waterlines' along the stem and then using waterline templates cut from stiff card to gauge the shape as the wood was carefully sanded away.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor110215-2_zpsaec6f54f.jpg)
 
The slight gaps where the frames are will be filled with filler when I skim the whole boat.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor110215-1_zpsbacf3121.jpg)
 
I have worked so long on this hull 'upside down', I thought it might be interesting to see what it might look like the right way up  %% !
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor110215-3_zps19504f82.jpg)
 
Tomorrow I shall make a start on giving the whole hull a light sanding in readiness for the filler  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on February 11, 2015, 11:36:26 PM
Carl,

My goodness, this is going to be one very impressive model ferry! The complex hull contours in the second shot are testament to the effort you've invested in this. Let us have more shots as you go on, you must be pleased to be seeing such a massive yet sweeping hull shape emerge from all the sanding, planking and sawdust..... 

Can't wait for more but don't let us hassle you, and keep enjoying this build  :-)

Best wishes,

Peter.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 14, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
Planking a hull gives a far, far better 'line' than does using block foam between the frames!  I think I will stick with this method for the future hulls  %%   {-) .
 
More progress today - skim coat of filler added.  My plan is to use the filler to just take out the grain of the wood and fill all the little holes made by the planking pins.  There will obviously be areas where just a bit more than a skim will be needed, but I dont think it will be much.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor140215-1_zps4fd46ce4.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor140215-2_zps8aa9586d.jpg)
 
Once this layer of filler has been sanded back, I will give the whole hull a couple of coats of 'filler primer' then flatten that back. Once I am happy with the finish, it will be time to add all the detail that needs to be moulded - windows, rubbing strakes, belting, openings etc.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 01, 2015, 09:36:52 PM
Following a few weeks of fillering & sanding, fillering & sanding, managed to get a couple of coats of primer onto the wood today.
 
Once this has been rubbed down it will be time to add a few coats of filler-primer and then to rub THAT down to a super-fine finish ready for the detail such as rubbing strakes, belting and windows to be added.
 
At this rate we should have a prototype by September!!!
 
 (http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010315-1_zps87vloips.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010315-2_zpsl0pc0jyr.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: City trawler on March 05, 2015, 07:24:02 PM
Will this hull be available to purchase as I'm looking at building a NORLAND for my dad who served on her in the falklands
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
Will this hull be available to purchase as I'm looking at building a NORLAND for my dad who served on her in the falklands

HI - Yes, she will be available as a full kit.  We are hoping to have the prototype ready for the Blackpool Show in September.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: City trawler on March 05, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
I'm too far away for the Blackpool show. But I will 100% buy a kit when there ready. This will mean so much to my dad
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2015, 09:42:53 PM
Thanks Simon  :-))  That means alot to me  O0
 
Will you R/C her or keep her for static display?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on March 05, 2015, 09:49:49 PM
Hi Carl, put me one away of me when there ready but no rush you know why {-) dont think i,ll need it for a few years but realy got the bug now.form what I,ve seen so far it looks perfect.
Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: City trawler on March 05, 2015, 09:51:32 PM
I will R/C her for sure
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2015, 09:55:10 PM
Right guys!!!! I had better get back out into the workshop then and crack on!!!!!  {-)
 
Thanks for all the encouragement and support  O0   O0   O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2015, 10:06:48 PM
First coat of filler/primer added and rubbed down :-))
Second coat tomorrow...........
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070315-1_zpse6er3h7j.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 08, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
A little bit of filler here......a little bit of filler there........
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080315-1_zpsf9z1pirl.jpg)
 
..........a thorough rubbing down, and then a few more coats of filler primer:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080315-2_zpsvstocouz.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080315-3_zpssik9eqi2.jpg)
 
There are still a few small areas that require some attention but then, after another flattening, she should be ready for some top-coats.  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on March 09, 2015, 09:59:11 PM
Hi Carl, this is superb and those hull lines just keep looking better and better. I plan to "stuff and mount" my Norland, but with full LED lighting, operating stern doors, modelled car decks, interiors and rotating radar....... She'll never touch a drop of water, but from the comfort of my study I can invoke all those wonderful night crossings of the North Sea. But no plans to install a smoke generator in the funnel, though :-)

Found this link on Youtube tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Uq3NR8rV0

Wonderfully evocative night scenes on deck of the Norland and footage of the last commercial voyage, Falklands endeavours etc - well worth a watch - some parts seem to be extracts from an ITV production, quality of camerawork is excellent. 

Best wishes,

Peter. 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: HansP74 on March 10, 2015, 11:12:44 AM
Found this too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyqEt29uTMU

.... it's an hour of VHS filming shot on / around the Norland on her Falklands deployment, plenty of detailed shots (including the bridge) that could be really useful in developing the basic kit or for anyone wanting to model her as used during the Falklands.

Regards,

Peter.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 03, 2016, 10:20:45 PM
RIGHT!!! Time to start updating this little thread with some progress, now that the Free Enterprise V kit is finished and starting to sail out the door...........
 
Managed to find some time to progress the drawings to the stage where we will be prototyping the laser-cut sheets for the superstructures very soon now.  Just waiting on the delivery of some wood strip to add the rubbing strakes to the hull plug then a little final fettling and she will be off to the fabricators to make the mould and pull a couple of fibreglass hulls.
 
In the meantime, we have started to design the 3D fittings - the first being the stern ramp.  A quite large (110mm x 70mm) part that would be added following cutting the aperture in the stern:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/stern%20ramp_zpsq9swns9c.jpg)
 
More anon  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 10, 2016, 11:49:19 AM
Good morning All - update from the Linkspan Models shipyard  :-))
 
Now that we have the laser cutting machine, it will be easier to accurately transfer data from the drawings to the plug - for instance, the location of all the openings in the hull.  These need to be marked on the plug so that they appear on the fibreglass moulding to accurately locate all the windows etc that need to be cut out.
 
To that end, templates cut from 0.5mm styrene are produced and laid on the plug and the openings then marked:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20100716-1_zpsiaql31wf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20100716-2_zpsocay65jn.jpg)
 
Carl  ;)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on July 13, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
Nice work Carl, that plug looks fantastic! This will be a most impressive model.
That twobladed prop seen on the first pic seems a little blunt though! :embarrassed:
All the best to both of you!
Hama
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on July 13, 2016, 10:42:06 PM
Ooh, it looks like it might need a bit of balance!

Keep up the good work Carl. Youy are doing great.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 26, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Nice work Carl, that plug looks fantastic! This will be a most impressive model.
That twobladed prop seen on the first pic seems a little blunt though! :embarrassed:
All the best to both of you!
Hama

Thank you Hakan - so good to hear from you friend!  Flo and I do hope you and the family are well?  I am thoroughly enjoying trying to get this model together, but Flo is very keen for me to make a start on the Dalaro!!!!!!  Lines plans are what are really needed for me to get going though - the GA's you kindly gave me when we met are perfect for everything else, but the lines plans are essential for producing the hull form  :-)) .
 
For those unfamiliar with Dalaro - here she is........a beautiful Stockholm archipelago ferry skippered by our own Hama!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Dalaro/2_zpsqnled5ga.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Dalaro/DSCF6358_zpsiio5g5kw.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on July 26, 2016, 10:09:23 PM
Would you design it to the same scale as your larger ferries or go for a similar sized model in larger scale?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 26, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
The first of the 3D parts for the Norland arrived today - the rear vehicle loading door/ramp.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20260716-1_zps6seibdfo.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20260716-2_zpssbti4x40.jpg)
 
This will be used as a master to produce a mould for resin copies - the 3D part on its own is rather costly!!!!
 
I was lucky enough to spend a day recently at the offices of P&O Hull - formerly North Sea Ferries - where I was allowed to spend time photographing their builders model of the Norland (1:100 scale) and come away with an archive box full of photographs of the ship for me to scan.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/DSCN1189_zpsp2cmzmhx.jpg)
 
Nearly finished the plug now - more photos at the weekend  :-)) :-)) O0
 
Carl  8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 26, 2016, 10:14:55 PM
Would you design it to the same scale as your larger ferries or go for a similar sized model in larger scale?

Probably a larger scale to be honest Ian - 1:48 or so I think.  She is too small for 1:96 really. Although I can see the attraction of sticking to one scale throughout, I don't think it would be practical with these smaller boats.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on July 26, 2016, 10:15:00 PM
Hooray. I look forward to seeing them Carl. I am pleased to see your range blooming so.

Re Delaro, that makes sense, and as the ferries would probably not have met in real life, the scale difference will not be an issue like prhaps doing a fleet revue with different scaled warships of the same era together.

Lovely work mate  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 26, 2016, 10:20:02 PM
Cheers Ian  :-))   With the Dalaro at 1:48 the possibilities for detailing are endless.  That crane on the fore-deck for one!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 29, 2016, 09:11:48 PM
Cracking on this evening................
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20290716-5_zpskfvahzrf.jpg)
 
This is the third filler skim and rub down for the hull plug - needs to be as smooth as a babies!!!!
Tomorrow should be fitting the rubbing strakes and marking out the windows and other openings, then it will be a final coat of filler primer and sand smooth before delivery to the fabricator  :-))
 
Pip pip  :kiss:
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on July 29, 2016, 09:30:54 PM
Is that a collection of abrasive polishes on the shelf behind the plug Carl? She's looking good  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on August 07, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
Is that a collection of abrasive polishes on the shelf behind the plug Carl? She's looking good  :-))

HA HA!! Unfortunately, the workshop still has to double as a store for the usual garage stuff!!!!
 
Anyroad - pressing on with the plug..............rubbing strakes and masks for the openings added to the port side of the ship.  Now to do the same for the starboard side...... :-))
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070816_zps7w1xe3og.jpg)
 
Carl  8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on August 18, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
Cheers Ian  :-))   With the Dalaro at 1:48 the possibilities for detailing are endless.  That crane on the fore-deck for one!!
Hello Carl!
We now have access to the drawings for Dalaroe, I've sent you an email with contact information.
All the best to you and Flo!
Hakan
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on August 23, 2016, 06:55:29 PM
Hello Carl!
We now have access to the drawings for Dalaroe, I've sent you an email with contact information.
All the best to you and Flo!
Hakan

Hi Hakan  :-)
Thank you so much for this - I have emailed the chap in Stockholm and am awaiting developments.  I will let you know (obviously!) when I hear back.
By the way, Flo and I were talking the other evening and discussing about trying to fly out to Stockholm in mid to late February 2017 to see Dalaro in action on the ice.  Will talk later, but it could be possible  :-))  dependent on work commitments.
Speak soon friend!!! O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on August 23, 2016, 07:00:47 PM
Been cracking on with the plug for the Norland recently..........
 
All the guides for the openings in the fibreglass hull have been sorted - they just need 'backing' now to prevent the fibreglass of the mould falling through them!
All that is left to do now before it heads down to Sherborne for moulding is to smooth out the blemishes with filler, add fillets where necessary under the rubbing strakes (where they appear on the real ship) and remove the 'carrier flight deck'  {-) from the plug!!!
Here are a few shots as she stands - and this is the first time I have actually turned the hull over and stood it in its 'proper' stance!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230816-1_zpsro1cg9m9.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230816-4_zpsaym6ymek.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230816-2_zpsddsipgsm.jpg)
 
Getting there!!!  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Brian60 on August 24, 2016, 11:56:48 AM
Cracking on at a pace Carl. I'd love to be there when you deliver it and they see that bow nose section :} I don't know how they lay up the grp, whether it is hand done or sprayed. But I've found on mine that once you actually produce the hull, that bit is nightmare to actually get to, but on mine it has the bow decks etc to have to reach into. at least your bow is open so maybe not so bad.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on September 17, 2016, 11:48:17 AM
Last bit of work on the plug now - final fettling before taking it down to the fabricator on Monday to have the mold made and the prototype hull pulled from it.  Plan is to have the prototype hull and kit parts ready for viewing at the Warwick show in November   :-)) :-))
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20170916-1_zpscudkgulm.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20170916-3_zpse0y1yaf8.jpg)
 
Carl  8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: BFSMP on September 17, 2016, 06:29:03 PM
THAT IS MAGNIFICENT.

SUPERB.

Jim.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on September 18, 2016, 11:58:25 AM
THAT IS MAGNIFICENT.

SUPERB.

Jim.

Thank you kind Sir!!!!  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
 
Final shots of the plug - all finished as much as I can do.......the fabricator will now give it a coat of 'Reface' and then put the final polish on it before molding.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20180916-1_zpsmjja3myt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20180916-2_zpsmzi0eipt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20180916-3_zps4lkwhpbd.jpg)
 
Carl  :-)) 8)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on September 18, 2016, 02:53:16 PM
It would have been great as an escort carrier! Good luck with your mould making Carl.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dougal99 on September 18, 2016, 05:14:33 PM
Carl


With the impending changes to Westfallenhallen will hall 5 be big enough?  %%


Doug
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 22, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
Carl


With the impending changes to Westfallenhallen will hall 5 be big enough?  %%


Doug

Never mind the hall Doug - what about our motorhome???? {:-{
Somehow, we have to get this one, plus a couple of boxed up FEV's and Flo and myself all in the waggon and across to Dortmund without wrecking the model....... %%
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 22, 2016, 07:58:11 PM
Had time to drop in to the fabricator in Dorset today..........................
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20221116-1_zpsxyc7uvvg.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20221116-2_zpsnt6nwjjb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20221116-3_zpsh5nao3hm.jpg)
 
Going by what I saw, there is a distinct possibility of the first hull being pulled from this by the end of November!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))
 
Actually, it has been arranged  O0 , I will be collecting the prototype hull on the 30th  :-) :-) :-) :-)
 
More soon friends!!!  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on November 22, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
Great NEWS Carl, you just seam to get better and better I just have to get back modelling so I can fininsh
 The SD 14 and a few others so I can think of order two from you.hope to chat soon friend.I may not make M.M.M. Christmas cracker as no transport if wife is at her mums that weekend.
                                                            Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on November 22, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
Wow, your fibreglassers have done a stunning job Carl. That looks smooth enough to make a mirror from. I am sure though that your plug went a long way towards this finish.

Where abouts in Dorset are they?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 22, 2016, 10:31:14 PM
In Sherborne Ian............Ace Fibreglass.
 
He also produces FG hulls for Jotika and Caldercraft  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on November 23, 2016, 12:33:34 AM
Just found this build of your plug Carl
Certainly looking good,and its sure going to produce another fine model
Wishing you great success matey,you deserve it
Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: tigertiger on November 23, 2016, 04:06:30 AM
What I like most about this thread is that it shows just how much work actually goes into developing a kit.
It helps explain why kits actually cost what they do.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: BFSMP on November 23, 2016, 06:24:51 PM

What I like most about this thread is that it shows just how much work actually goes into developing a kit.
It helps explain why kits actually cost what they do.


And the meagre rewards that kit designers and manufacturers receive from profits after putting so much development time effort and money into it, makes my blood boil when people go bleating to the public rather than straight to the provider first if there is any and I mean any problem or fault.


And yet those same people NEVER ever give praise publicly when they find a product without fault. >:-o >>:-( <*<


Jim.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 23, 2016, 06:32:25 PM
The curse of the kit manufacturer - managing expectations.

Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on November 25, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
Looking real good Carl!
Hope to see you in February.
Hama
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 30, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
Looking real good Carl!
Hope to see you in February.
Hama

We are working on it Hakan - will send you an email this weekend to discuss if that's OK? So looking forward to seeing a real winter from a 'different' perspective!!!!  :-))   And Flo is keen to know if she stands a chance of seeing the Aurora Borealis from out in the far reaches of the Archipelago..... It is one of her 'must see' things.........
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on November 30, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Well, today sees another milestone on the road that is Linkspan Models!!!
 
Today, I collected the first hull out of the mold for our second kit, the MV Norland, from the fabricator.  Yet again, Ian has worked his magic and produced for us a magnificent hull - clean, smooth and strong.  Took a little persuasion to release from the mold but, once it came out and was trimmed off, it was clear to see that she will be the perfect basis of a great kit:
 
 (http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-1_zpsfcr0zgrj.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-2_zpss4emdfsb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-3_zpswwsi9ouf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-4_zpsmiyeyrmr.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-5_zpsofe2ctti.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-6_zpsqmlxvnzs.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-7_zpskwxc4gff.jpg)
 
And here is Flo modelling the new hull - all 1.6m of it!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-8_zpsfwh96b2u.jpg)
 
A few shots of the bare hull on the workbench this evening............
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-9_zpsk322xtrh.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-10_zps6impgrpf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-11_zps515sgg0t.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20301116-12_zpsiplvwnxi.jpg)
 
Too cold to make a start this evening, but tomorrow.........well, lets see................... :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on November 30, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
Wow, that is a challenging hull shape what with the bulb and those side plates sticking up. Good show, now get warm and hopefully tomorrow will e productive and relatively warm in Linkspan HQ!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dougal99 on November 30, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Carl


with that hull you're definitely going to need a bigger van, Flo could probably float in it  :-))


Here are a couple of snaps to wet her appetite, taken last year in Canada. (Only -15 C )


Doug
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on December 01, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
Wow! Excellent shots  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 07, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
Happy New Year All  :-)) :-)) :-))
 
Well, we are back from our travels around Europe and keen to get cracking on the Norland prototype.  Bit of a deadline to meet really in that we would like her practically finished by the time of the Dortmund show in early April - not much pressure there then!!!!
 
Spent the evening in the workshop starting to trim the hull and preparing it for cutting the various openings etc.
 
First job was to remove the central mold line along the keel - normal stuff as a result of the two part mold....
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-2_zpsw0bm3jhd.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-1_zpsajqcmumv.jpg)
 
As the hull is quite a bright white, cutting the various openings and trimming the hull back is made easier by highlighting the various  'edges' etc. with a dark pen or pencil:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-4_zpsg5ijfnmy.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-5_zpsup2r1soq.jpg)
 
The positions of the rudder shafts, and the centres and extremities of the openings for the propshafts, were also highlighted:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-3_zpsnzajvsxm.jpg)
 
The relatively complex shape of the hull sides toward the stern need careful consideration if they are to be depicted accurately.  It was found that, unfortunately, the molding process has obscured some of the 'defined' edges in this area so reference was made to the drawings for dimensions.  A dim of 65mm was clarified, up from the point where the underside of the hull meets the vertical, and a pencil line drawn in.  This will be highlighted in the instructions:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-6_zpsqcrax8by.jpg)
 
Then, with careful cutting, sanding and filing, the final shape was obtained:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070117-7_zps5cbuxgvz.jpg)
 
The fibreglass behind this 'shape' will need to be sanded smooth as it will be visible on the finished model.
 
All this cutting and sanding is vital at this stage prior to inserting the propshafts, rudders and motors to prevent contamination by the fibreglass dust.  Will crack on with the rest of the hull tomorrow morning - hopefully it will all be ready for the motors and shafts by the evening  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 07, 2017, 10:48:56 PM
Hi Carl
looking good


John
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on January 07, 2017, 10:51:20 PM
Another Great kit is born Carl, once am sorted in the garage I'll have to find room for one keep up the good work friend am watching all with great interest. :-))


                  Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on January 07, 2017, 10:58:01 PM
Big brother is watching you!!
Well Iam anyway!
Good Luck with her my friend
Mick F.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on January 08, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
Is the loss of definition due to mould release wax or other unctions building up and preventing the gelcoat from taking all the detail during lay up?

It is interesting to know these points to improve GRP moulding and casting.

Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: raflaunches on January 08, 2017, 08:14:16 PM
Hi Carl


Looking good and very impressive. :-))
With regards to your stern moulding issue, would it be possible to include in the kit a template for the shape required?
You would only need one because (I hope and think) that both sides are identical. A cheap and easy solution that is included in the instructions much like the shape of the hull when you build up the stand sections in a Dean's Marine kit. Just a thought because too many modellers could get confused or mis-read measurements if you just show a picture.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 08, 2017, 11:19:10 PM
Is the loss of definition due to mould release wax or other unctions building up and preventing the gelcoat from taking all the detail during lay up?

It is interesting to know these points to improve GRP moulding and casting.
Hi Ian - The loss of definition has been caused by the fabricator smoothing off the edges of the plug to ensure that the f/g hull releases from the mould cleanly and that there are no air bubbles trapped.  It is nigh-on impossible to get sharp. 90 degree edges on fibreglass out of a mould as the finished product would be weak at that point being almost entirely gel coat and easy to chip.  When I hand over the original plug the 'defined edges' are 'sharp' but they have to be smoothed down.  Apparently, the problem is worse with a larger hull as there is more danger of the hull being broken or damaged when it is released from the mould (it is more flexible).
Not too much of a problem - so long as I clarify in the instructions and drawings where the cutting has to take place.  I like to leave a bit of 'extra' on the hull and leave it for the modeller to trim it down to the final size.  That way, we cannot be accused of supplying an undersized or badly trimmed hull (as I have seen others accused of in the past).
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 08, 2017, 11:21:51 PM
Hi Carl


Looking good and very impressive. :-))
With regards to your stern moulding issue, would it be possible to include in the kit a template for the shape required?
You would only need one because (I hope and think) that both sides are identical. A cheap and easy solution that is included in the instructions much like the shape of the hull when you build up the stand sections in a Dean's Marine kit. Just a thought because too many modellers could get confused or mis-read measurements if you just show a picture.
Hi Nick - Thanks for the kind comments  :-))
I hear what you say about a template and, yes, I will look into that for this area of the hull.
It is crucial to the whole hull accuracy that this part is correct and that the bulwark above the stern door is perfectly level and true as this will then dictate the level and accuracy of the remaining bulwarks as I point out below.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 08, 2017, 11:41:33 PM
Another day in the workshop getting myself - and everything else - covered in a fine layer of fibreglass dust!
 
Continued with the trimming of the hull upper edges today.  It is essential to start at the stern and ensure that the bulwark above the stern loading door is at the correct height and perfectly level.  Set up the hull so that it is level fore and aft and side to side on the workbench and trim the bulwark down to the 65mm 'height line' mentioned earlier - using a spirit level to ensure accuracy:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-1_zpsnklhlheu.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-4_zpsle19yotm.jpg)
 
Once this has been trimmed level, a final check can be made on the whole lower stern bulwark area to ensure all is level.
 
Now take one side of the hull and, ensuring that the stern bulwark is still level and the hull is stable on the workbench, measure up from the bench a distance of 218.5mm and repeat this at numerous points along the side of the hull.  This will give the line to trim the top of the hull down to:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-2_zpskdxyo5lt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-3_zpsahoz0qsl.jpg)
 
Once the hull side has been trimmed down to the correct level on one side, ensure again that the stern bulwark is perfectly level and then commence trimming the other hull side down to match the previous one.  As we know that the hull is truly level side to side, regular checks can be made while trimming the second hull side to ensure that both sides also become 'level':
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-6_zpsoiaaboyh.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-7_zpsu9uulzkf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-8_zpsgztirxde.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-11_zpsuala7pps.jpg)
 
It sounds way more complicated that it is in practice, but it absolutely ensures that both hull sides are the correct height above the waterline and are level with each other.
 
The same exercise is carried out on the bow:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080117-12_zpsqet1tzg3.jpg)
 
Regularly check that the stern bulwark is still level as this exercise is carried out as the vibration from sanding can cause the hull to move.
 
As of this evening, all the upper edges of the hull have been trimmed with the exception of the fore-peak bulwark.  Expecting the motors to arrive tomorrow - going to try a pair of Mabuchi 555's to begin with driving 40mm dia 4 blade props.  Estimated displacement is 32lbs (14.6kg) so lets see how we get on eh?
More soon!!!!  :-))
 
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 13, 2017, 10:19:17 PM
A few more of the 3D fittings arrived today.
Some, like the rudder assembly, will be used as masters for resin cast items but others - here being the stabilisers and prop shaft brackets - will be included in the kit 'as is':
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20130117-1_zpsqr4yr2fk.jpg)
 
All the holes where the brass shafts pass through plus the opening in the shaft brackets for the prop shafts need reaming out to clear out the residue of the 3D printing process to allow the shafts to fit snugly.
 
Tomorrow should be a day of producing the rubber mould for the rudder castings plus opening up the holes in the hull for the prop shafts.
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: cos918 on January 13, 2017, 11:08:00 PM
Hi Carl
looks good . Thoes  stabilisers look very fragile


john
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 13, 2017, 11:31:44 PM
Hi Carl
looks good . Thoes  stabilisers look very fragile


john
Tough as old boots John!!!!  They are designed to be operable - either by servo or manually.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 14, 2017, 11:25:08 PM
More cutting of holes in the hull today - firstly, the slots for the prop shafts and the holes for the rudder shafts:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-5_zps4l7wn9bp.jpg)
 
Note that the rudders are set slightly inboard of the prop shafts:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-6_zpsvrn1pllj.jpg)
 
Slots are cut in the time-honoured fashion:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-7_zpsaja6obpa.jpg)
 
Also made a start on marking out the openings for the windows along the hull:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-1_zps7an0hsbb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-2_zps2loq7nig.jpg)
 
These were again cut out by chain drilling the waste areas first and then cutting with a disc attachment on the Dremel:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-3_zps2wuzfjrr.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140117-4_zpsjxsmtrmb.jpg)
 
These rectangles will be filled with the windows, laser-cut into 2mm thick styrene sheet and epoxied into place.  Any cracks or gaps around the edge of the rectangle can be filled and sanded back.  Doing it this way, it is simpler to cut even rectangles and having all the windows laser cut will ensure that they are all of equal size and evenly spaced along the hull sides.
 
More soon!!!  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on January 23, 2017, 11:52:10 PM
Evening Happy Modellers!!!
More progress on the Norland prototype.............
 
Before advancing on the hull windows, the propshafts and motor bases were fitted and lined up for smooth running:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20210117-6_zps8om1vvn2.jpg)
 
Once all was dried and solid, the motors and shafts were removed and boxed away and the ends of the tubes sealed with masking tape to prevent sanding dust from getting in them.
 
Next, the timber deck-edge supports and hull bracing was fitted.  Firstly, a line 2mm down from the top edge of the hull was drawn in:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20210117-2_zpsadur57n8.jpg)
 
The timber stringers were then fitted with 2 part epoxy for a firm hold:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20210117-3_zpsa5pafie1.jpg)
 
Once these had had 24 hours to harden, the hull cross-bracing was inserted - again using 2 part epoxy and good clamps:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20210117-4_zpswlzigf90.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%202101017-5_zpsdwrcy8bp.jpg)
 
The fibreglass hull is so 'stable' and of a decent thickness that further internal bracing or bulkheads are unnecessary.  There will be, however, further deck support cross-beams to be fitted so these will add further to the bracing.
 
Once all was dry - 48 hours were given for this - a start was made on opening up the window apertures in the hull.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20220117-1_zpsk3pxvxao.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20220117-2_zpshc5nnrjk.jpg)
 
With this kit, we have gone the route of designing it to have larger, rectangular, openings cut in the hull (easier to do) filled with laser-cut parts that contain the actual window openings:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230117-1_zpsiza6wlka.jpg)
 
These were going to be on 2mm styrene sheet but the first batch looked wrong - the depth of the window frame was too much - so we changed to 1.5mm thick which looks much more representative.  Doing the hull windows this way ensures that they are all evenly spaced and are the same size.  A far easier method to cut out fewer, larger openings than to have to cut out each window individually!!
 
To take a break from filing fibreglass, I made a start on constructing the funnel.  As per our Free Enterprise V kit, it is made from a skeleton of lasered styrene sheet which, when cleaned up, slots together quite well:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230117-2_zpsfxwnevb3.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230117-3_zpshpxhzlrt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230117-4_zpseunxu87y.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20230117-5_zpsfhum2gmm.jpg)
 
This will then be wrapped in 0.5mm lasered styrene and then topped off with a vac-formed funnel cap.

Should get most of the hull windows finished tomorrow.  Should also be placing an order for the electrical gubbins so that we can get her on the water to test before we go too much further with the build.
 
Pip pip!!!  :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on January 24, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
I agree, the method you have gone with does look much easier to set up and fit.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 04, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
Pressing on with all the bits and pieces related to the hull - rudders, stabilisers etc.
Took a little figuring out as to the best method to set the rudders up properly - first task is to establish the correct skeg to hull interface angle:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20310117-1_zpszx0da3xr.jpg)
 
Then to find a way of setting the rudder tubes vertical - firstly ensure that the hull is level in all directions:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-1_zpsmynjorzk.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-2_zpsg5crstss.jpg)
 
Then I created a jig to hold the rudder blades steady:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-4_zpsluh5pu7v.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-5_zpszrx5yvpw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-6_zpsfc5puunr.jpg)
 
Once happy that all was 'square' we could fix the tubes in place with 2 part epoxy:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20010217-8_zpsbbcslkxx.jpg)
 
The rudder skegs are in 2 halves to allow the fitting of the rudder.  Once they were cleaned up and trimmed to the correct angle, a light coat of epoxy was smeared on the mating faces and they were then clamped around the protruding rudder tube on the hull:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-01_zpscwmyu0au.jpg)
 
Just need to fair them in to the hull now:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-09_zpsbf7diete.jpg)
 
 :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on February 04, 2017, 09:25:27 PM
Very smart Carl. The whole thing looks very crisp.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 04, 2017, 09:26:01 PM
The other little task this week has been to make and fit the stabilisers.  I decided a while back now that the kit would have the stabilisers supplied and it would be up to the modeller if he wanted to have them working.  On the prototype they will be.
 
After much thought and sketching, we came up with the following - a styrene box made from 1.5mm thick sheet with the 3D printed stabiliser unit housed within operated very much like a rudder would be....ensuring that the shaft tube extends above the water line!  This was a little tricky in practice as the top of the shaft came very, very close to the side of the hull.  We got there in the end though:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-02_zpswxxmv7jn.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-03_zps3nknpbsp.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-04_zps8vh1tzrc.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-05_zpseetjr1ht.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-10_zpssyxflzpm.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-11_zpsbecg3hl6.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-15_zps8vhwlnxf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-16_zpsgfiw62qg.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-17_zpsr0ebck11.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20040217-19_zpszztf3bqt.jpg)
 
Tomorrow's task?  Sort all the electronics!!! %%
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on February 04, 2017, 09:33:07 PM
What an interesting kit Carl. I can see Arduino applications to detect the pond side or approaching boats and then retract the stabilisers being developed.

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Post by: Rottweiler on February 04, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Maybe even be able to adapt your stabilisers to fit my QE2 ! Mine are basically the same within a sealed box,but would be worked by gears and motors,all mechanical
This certainly does look brilliant.

Mick F
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: derekwarner on February 05, 2017, 12:37:27 AM
A very ingenious & Dockyard like building for the assembly and installation of the rudders and supports Carl :-))

I have never been involved with finned stabilizers, however was once seconded to assist in resolving a [pure] hydraulic systems stabiliser fault with an RAN vessel.......so.....

With respect to the stabilisers, it appears that the stdb blade has been installed with an approx. ~~10 degrees upward lift in the FWD plane.......from this, should the port blade not be installed with the same ~~10 degree but with a downward lift again in the FWD plane?.....[or do I have the geometry all wrong and both P&S blades have the same ~~ upward lift...or angle of attach as in an aeroplane foil wing?]

The stabiliser housing water tight box's are free flooding, however is the design height to accommodate the withdrawal of blades in an semi inclined [taller profile] manner?

Derek
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 10, 2017, 11:56:07 AM
Hi Derek - Great questions there!!
I will try to answer within the text below as it would be more relevant I think.

A very ingenious & Dockyard like building for the assembly and installation of the rudders and supports Carl :-))

I have never been involved with finned stabilizers, however was once seconded to assist in resolving a [pure] hydraulic systems stabiliser fault with an RAN vessel.......so.....

With respect to the stabilisers, it appears that the stdb blade has been installed with an approx. ~~10 degrees upward lift in the FWD plane.......from this, should the port blade not be installed with the same ~~10 degree but with a downward lift again in the FWD plane?.....[or do I have the geometry all wrong and both P&S blades have the same ~~ upward lift...or angle of attach as in an aeroplane foil wing?] On the full-sized ship, the stabiliser blades would rotate about their chord to either produce lift or visa versa dependent upon the roll of the ship.  Their movement would have been controlled by either gyros (in early systems) or computers (today).  They would be independent of each other and move to correct the roll of the ship.  In a model, I don't think that this independence is feasible so I took the view to introduce a little equal lift on both sides.  I doubt that it would have much effect to be honest - it is more cosmetic on a model than anything else.

The stabiliser housing water tight box's are free flooding, however is the design height to accommodate the withdrawal of blades in an semi inclined [taller profile] manner? Absolutely! On the full-sized ship the blade would be rotated almost flat before retraction but on the model this isn't possible so I had to make the slot large enough to allow the blade to swing in comfortably.

Derek

I will see how she performs on trials with the stabilisers extended.  If they introduce some unwanted movement I can always re-design the blade profile to be 'neutral' (the same camber above and below) and this would probably allow a narrower slot in the hull.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 10, 2017, 12:03:12 PM
Getting very close to the first 'on water' trials now - with a bit of luck (and half decent weather) that should be this weekend  :-))

All the electronics have been installed : mixers on the motors to allow slewing when stationary, bow thruster fitted, and Action Electronics 'Servomorph' installed for the stabilisers (these yet to be connected to the servo) -

(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20090217-2%202_zpsdiyiyea6.jpg)

(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20090217-3_zps77r70rco.jpg)

(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20090217-5_zpsoely3uo7.jpg)

Please excuse the untidy wiring - job for this evening!!!!

Last one for now........

(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20090217-4_zpszaauw4gv.jpg)

Carl  :-))
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Post by: dougal99 on February 10, 2017, 12:36:59 PM
Carl,


I liked your wiring, looks a lot like mine  :-))


Impressed by the speed of your build, makes my efforts look very slothful. Looking forward to seeing the completed model at Dortmund.


Doug
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 11, 2017, 10:33:16 PM
Carl,


I liked your wiring, looks a lot like mine  :-))


Impressed by the speed of your build, makes my efforts look very slothful. Looking forward to seeing the completed model at Dortmund.


Doug

Thanks Doug! Just hope I can get her presentable by then........  Not for the want of trying!!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 11, 2017, 10:38:39 PM
Was hoping to get her on the water this weekend but I think the weather may have put the kybosh on that idea - at least for today.  So spent the day in the workshop (surprise surprise....) fitting all the main (C) deck supports.  It is planned that this deck - and all above it - will be removable giving acres of access to the hull:
 
Bow deck (fixed):
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110217-1%201_zpsoxkxqeio.jpg)
 
Main deck supports with hull bracing below - this hull bracing is strong enough to be used as handles for lifting the boat in and out of the water:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110217-3_zpsgzsj4gbr.jpg)
 
Main - C - deck temporarily laid in place.  The large openings are mainly to save weight and materials:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110217-4_zps7euttdoq.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110217-5_zpssdpf4tg2.jpg)
 
CT  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on February 12, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
The great big space in the plastic sheet must accomodate most of the smaller pieces for the kit!

I like your idea of making the hull supports as lifting handles. Tip noted for future reference:O)

Does your hull fit in your laser cutter? The reason I ask is because it occurred to me that larger apetures in the hull sides could be laser cut neatly if the hull was held in a simple cradle. I had a quick look on the web and found that laser cutting GRP is possible and less damaging to the material than conventional machining or water cutting.

This is the link: http://www.industrial-lasers.com/articles/print/volume-26/issue-5/features/laser-machining-fiber-reinforced-composites.html

Even if it just saved you some time then it might be worth looking at. Mind you, if the hull does not fit in your machine, then ignore my gibberings:O)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 12, 2017, 09:21:53 PM
The great big space in the plastic sheet must accomodate most of the smaller pieces for the kit! That it does Ian  :-))  - mostly other parts of the deck but also the hull window frames.
I like your idea of making the hull supports as lifting handles. Tip noted for future reference:O)  The handles are bonded to the same sized pieces of timber bonded to the hull sides fore and aft to give rigidity to the hull.  I wouldn't risk carrying the boat any great distance, but in and out of the water would be ok.

Does your hull fit in your laser cutter? No, not even close.... The reason I ask is because it occurred to me that larger apetures in the hull sides could be laser cut neatly if the hull was held in a simple cradle. I had a quick look on the web and found that laser cutting GRP is possible and less damaging to the material than conventional machining or water cutting. I like the idea, and the theory is sound, but the cutting bed would need to be quite large......and I am unsure what toxins would be given off by lasering resin.

This is the link: http://www.industrial-lasers.com/articles/print/volume-26/issue-5/features/laser-machining-fiber-reinforced-composites.html (http://www.industrial-lasers.com/articles/print/volume-26/issue-5/features/laser-machining-fiber-reinforced-composites.html)

Even if it just saved you some time then it might be worth looking at. Mind you, if the hull does not fit in your machine, then ignore my gibberings:O)  Not gibberings Ian........thought provoking ideas I call it.  Without these sorts of discussions technology and ideas wouldn't advance.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 12, 2017, 09:32:41 PM
Bit more done today - again too cold and now too windy to have a first test sail.....
 
I find the most difficult part of designing a ship kit on a computer, with the software that I have / know, is the front wrap-around part of the superstructure.  I realise that I need a 3D package that can compute a skin and then lay it out flat.  I can create the internal framework - that part is just basic geometry - but to then get the skinning to work correctly the only method I can use at the moment is to wrap a piece of card around the frame and mark it off.
 
Firstly, the internal framework is built up:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20120217-1_zpsmgfepgjr.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20120217-3_zpsmf5t5cn0.jpg)
 
And then placed in position to check fit:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20120217-5_zpsljawfq5s.jpg)
 
All being good, the frame was then glued up with liquid poly applied by brush.
 
This next shot shows the half skinning with the window locations indicated:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20120217-6_zpsyna5ztzv.jpg)
 
This half skin will now be scanned into the computer, tidied up, mirrored to make a full skin and then sent to the laser cutter for cutting in 1mm styrene.  1mm is better for this situation as, while it doesn't bend as easily as 0.5mm, when fitted it doesn't give a hungry horse effect.
 
Whilst we couldn't sail today, we did have a 'tub test'.  Even though she is too long to fit into our bath, we managed to submerge the bow thruster tube and the propshafts and rudders (in turn) to see if there were any leaks.  Thankfully, there were none!!!
 
That's it for tonight.....up early in the morning so calling it a night.
Pip pip
Carl  :-))
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on February 13, 2017, 10:27:55 PM
I knew of a lad on our old wargames forum who was into designing computer game characters and was often on about 'skinning' models. I don't know if he used a 3d drawing program, but you might find that a younger member of your family has the knowhow to do some of what you are looking to learn.

Re toxins, I read that kevlar supposedly gives off cyanide, but as you are using Polyester resin? I assume that there will be a few nasties in the air as you cut.

Will the carcass underneath the curved front ba made a simpler structure given that you will have the dimentions and shape sorted?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 18, 2017, 01:39:05 PM
Hi Ian - Yes, when laser cutting we have to be very careful of the chemical composition of the materials being cut as, not only will they not do your lungs any good (even with air extraction, fumes still get about) but some gasses can seriously corrode the machine.
 
As for the front 'wrap-around' - I am going to see how far I can reduce the support structure before it gets too weak.  As it stands, it only took me about half an hour to clean up the parts and glue them together - almost self supporting really!
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 18, 2017, 02:12:26 PM
Finally, today was 'Launch Day' for the Norland prototype  %% %% %%
 
A bit breezy on our local canal, and the air was biting somewhat, be she handled the conditions very well:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20launch%202%20180217_zpsgfbglo3c.jpg)
 
After placing her on the water, lead sheet (3" square per piece) was laid inside fore and aft until she sat on her designed water-line.  We weighed her when we got home and she tipped the scales at 13.4kg all up.  Naturally, the amount of lead will be reduced as the weight of the superstructure needs to be factored in yet.
 
Here are a few more shots of her on the water - 2 x 555 brushed motors driving 40mm dia brass props through Action Electronics P94 and P102 boards.  She has mixing on the rear props and a 400 sized bow thruster:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20Launch%203%20180217_zpsrgjgbfn8.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20Launch%204%20180217_zpsj72tpxfw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20Launch%205%20180217_zpspiuvfwvv.jpg)
 
And here is a little video we made of the occasion  :-))
 
https://youtu.be/giIsyQs23FQ (https://youtu.be/giIsyQs23FQ)
 
Very pleased with how things went this morning - now to crack on and get the superstructures built!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 18, 2017, 02:21:44 PM

Nice show of power and a good turning ability, even in the wind.

Smashing model.   :-))

ken
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Mark T on February 18, 2017, 03:43:26 PM
Nice show of power and a good turning ability, even in the wind.

Smashing model.   :-))

ken


I couldn't agree more.  It seems to have plenty of of power to cut through the water.  I'm looking forward to seeing the detail going on.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on February 18, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
She looks very impressive! Well done and congratulations on a successful trial!
Hama
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on February 18, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Congratulations Carl, she looks very good on the water,and seems to answer very well. We can see there is a chop on the water,with a breeze blowing,but it didnt seem to affect her at all
Look forward to the next stage my friend.
Mick F
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on February 18, 2017, 09:52:50 PM
Looking Great Carl,
 another winner I think following you with interest a master in the making.


                                         Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: boathound on February 18, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
Looks fantastic, can't wait to build one!  :-)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on February 19, 2017, 03:12:35 PM
You can see the effort taken to get the design right. Lovely job Carl  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on February 19, 2017, 10:07:37 PM
Thanks for the compliments folks  :-))   Was pretty nervous putting her on the water for the first time - and the Free Enterprise ferry was in the back of the car in case things went quiet in the middle of the canal.... :embarrassed:   Need not have worried though - she really did perform very well with plenty of oomph and was as stable as a rock.
 
Been back in the workshop today cracking on with the superstructures.  A fiddly and time consuming process but worth being patient over to get everything squared up.  It is far easier to build up the structures in situ on the boat as opposed to off the model (I tried both methods).  That way, checks and adjustments can be made as you go along.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140217-5_zpsuqbei2ir.jpg)
 
Firstly, small tabs from scrap sheet were glued around the opening to assist in locating the structure walls:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140217-7_zpsjvrsupww.jpg)
 
This element was built off the model and then located on the deck - I don't advise doing it this was as it was a bit of a bind to make it fit in the end:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140217-8_zpsni23e4dz.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20140217-9_zpsg2w7o4yj.jpg)
 
The middle section was built up in situ - much easier:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20170217-1_zps4jmgtn3h.jpg)
 
The permanently fixed part of the superstructure was braced with wood and small sheets of 1mm styrene added as decks - these can be seen through the windows so I will detail these with seats/tables etc. later and form a 'backdrop' around the opening in the decks from photographs:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20190217-3_zpsjmno5zs5.jpg)
 
Once this lot had dried sufficiently, I continued with the removable part of the superstructure:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20190217-1_zpsljvhmnn2.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20190217-2_zpsp4dbkst3.jpg)
 
The question was raised earlier about reducing the amount of structure within the rounded front (with the black windows showing).  Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be possible as a fair amount of strength and rigidity is needed in the framework of this part to allow the skin to be wrapped around and held tightly while the glue sets.  If there was less support structure there would be a danger that it would collapse as the modeller tried to wrestle the skin in to position and add elastic bands/clamps/masking tape etc.
 
OK!!! That's it for tonight.........shower and bed methinks..........
 
Pip pip  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on February 20, 2017, 09:35:54 PM
Nighty night, nighty night, you have earned a well deserved kip after all that building.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 02, 2017, 11:39:17 PM
Back in the workshop this week following our research trip to Stockholm to photograph and measure one of the archipelago ferries for a future project  :-)) ok2 .
 
Cracking on with the decks and superstructures - one more to go (bridge deck) and then we have reached the top.  Should have that on this weekend.  Then it will be down to filling all the joints and prepping for paint.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20020317-1_zps9gjtsoi9.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20020317-2_zpstnuovjfv.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20020317-3_zpsfn7xpvj3.jpg)
 
I think we should just about make it for Dortmund  O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Robbie11 on March 03, 2017, 02:00:38 PM
Will you be fitting this one out with the Falklands heli-deck? Looks fantastic so far!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 03, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
Will you be fitting this one out with the Falklands heli-deck? Looks fantastic so far!

Hi Robbie - thanks for the compliments.

The kit will be offered just as the basic civilian version as standard but there will be optional accessories available shortly after release:

A Falklands upgrade kit - containing styrene parts for the heli-decks, etched brass sheet containing the safety netting and other details, a Sea King helicopter, graphics for the 2 Para crest for the funnel and written and drawn instructions on how to modify the standard kit to represent her in Falklands guise.

A detailing upgrade kit - containing internal detail such as seats and tables for the various lounges that can be seen through the large windows plus a detailed bridge interior.  These parts will be produced in 3D plastic.

It makes sense to offer these as additions to the basic kit as not all purchasers will want to have them.  Especially so for the internal 3D parts, they are quite expensive and to include them as standard would push the cost of the kit up disproportionally.

Hope this helps?

Carl
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Robbie11 on March 03, 2017, 04:42:46 PM
Falklands upgrade kit sounds excellent. She would certainly look great next to my HMS Plymouth which is finally almost ready for the slipway!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on March 03, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
This must be one of the most impressive rc-kits available when released!
Is there only one option for her colours as this is before the lengthening?
Keep at it my friend, it's looking fantastic!
Hama
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 03, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
This must be one of the most impressive rc-kits available when released!
Is there only one option for her colours as this is before the lengthening?
Keep at it my friend, it's looking fantastic!
Hama
Thank you Hakan - You are too kind Sir!!!!  :embarrassed:
Yes, She only had the black and white colour scheme until she was lengthened. Then she took on the blue and white and, eventually, the colours of SNAV of Italy.....  Then again, there is no law to say that the modeller cannot make up their own colour scheme!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 03, 2017, 09:58:44 PM
With such a short time to go until the Dortmund show, there is no way that we can fit etched brass details such as handrails, vents and steps as we wouldn't be able to prototype the brass sheets in time.
SO.............for our prototype model, we are going to experiment with laser-cut card for some of the detail - even if it might only be temporary.
This evening, I had a play with our laser machine and a sheet of scrap card from an Amazon packet (not the most ideal card material as it is quite fibrous) and managed to produce some ventilation grilles - which fit within the superstructure walls - and a length of ship's railing.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170303_21_25_49_Pro_zpstosfhonh.jpg)
 
As said, the card stock was poor quality really but I think this warrants investigating further.  My father used to build card ship models at 1:200 scale and used a lot of laser cut card details on his models.  Strength was added to the card by coating it in superglue.  I think I might experiment with some satin varnish first and then a coat of white paint.
 
What do the esteemed folk on here think?  Producing this sort of detail in good quality card of a suitable thickness might well bring the cost of the kit down as it is very expensive to prototype etched brass sheets.  If strength and waterproof-ness can be added to the card there might just be hope......
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on March 03, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
The card cut outs look excellent Carl ! Be aware that Satin Varnish is mostly waterbased these days,so maybe it will cause the card to swell?
I cant suggest an alternative though,sorry.
Things are progressing very nicely on your model,which is more than I can say for the Caronia! Yours though is going to be something really special.
Good Luck
Mick f
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 03, 2017, 10:12:21 PM
Card is a very practical and underrated material and has been used to build complete working models in the past. Glynn Guest is very fond of it. He recommends and has successfully used model aircraft dope to impregnate, stiffen and waterproof the material which gives an excellent finish for painting and is very durable. Shellac is an alternative and works very well too. I imagine that another option would be DeLuxe EzeCote which is water based and doesn't smell.

Artists card also comes in a range of thicknesses and is cheap as chips - what's not to like really?

Just out of interest could your laser machine work with 0.5mm birch ply - another very good material?

Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 03, 2017, 10:55:21 PM
Hi Colin - Of course!!! I had forgotten about dope.....dope that I am  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: .  I have read Glyn's articles and, yes, he does use a fair bit of card in his models.  I will experiment with some different coverings and see how we get on.

As for the machine coping with 0.5mm birch ply - no problem at all.  The only downside I can think of (without having tried it yet) is that it needs more laser power to get through and, therefore, could increase the width of the cut line (kerf) thereby making fine detail cutting difficult - but worth investigating nevertheless....thank you!  The ply would certainly give more strength to the railings.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 04, 2017, 12:10:34 PM
On first sight, I thought it was a 3D rendering given the way that the scorching adds an element of 3D to the edges. On further study, at that distance (given the rule is a 6inch one and so quite close to the camera) I think that even with a cheaper card, your results are smooth and in pretty good shape.

My concern with thin ply is wether it will be as strong in both axis'? As ply will have fewer laminations in one direction, will this be exacerbated with very thin ply? One benefit of card is that it has less grain, so it is as strong or weak in both directions. While you are not looking to procuce parts that have to be bent to shape, cutting parts off of the fret might cause distortions as can be experience with plastic sprues and brass frets, but casuing the part to break.

Naturally, a thinner ply will need much less cutting pressure than say etch, and maybe this will reduce the chance of damaging thin ply components.

I think your idea of using card has positives, and if you can find the perfect medium to impregnate and waterproof it, then you can indeed create good parts at a lower cost.

You can get thin MDF/HDF sheets so maybe that is another avenue to persue?



Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard Q on March 05, 2017, 08:35:04 PM
Hello Carl. Many years ago I built one of the card models of the SD14, she was built using good quality manila card, (the kit is still available I believe,) so as to be able to sail he,r the entire hull and decks were coated in sealer then coated in resin, she was perfectly waterproof, so much was the strength it was nigh impossible to damage her, I appreciate this would be far too time consuming to do this for your card fittings trials, but as you say card is very versatile and always worth a thought.  Howard Q.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dreadnought72 on March 05, 2017, 08:46:22 PM
Cheap as chips - G4 pond sealer, a single-part resin, soaks in really well to porous materials, dries to a toughish finish. You end up with a card/plastic surface that'd work great on items like this.


Andy
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Carl,
For superfine detail try Mylar, can be cut and etched, on low power high speed (on Laser)


Difficult to find the right glue but at a push roughen the surface and superglue will do the job, might get you through the show.


Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2017, 11:04:32 PM
Hello Carl. Many years ago I built one of the card models of the SD14, she was built using good quality manila card, (the kit is still available I believe,) so as to be able to sail he,r the entire hull and decks were coated in sealer then coated in resin, she was perfectly waterproof, so much was the strength it was nigh impossible to damage her, I appreciate this would be far too time consuming to do this for your card fittings trials, but as you say card is very versatile and always worth a thought.  Howard Q.

Hi Howard  :-))
I, too, with my dad, built an SD14 but we replaced the manila card shell plating with lite-ply.  The rest of the model is still card - as the designer intended - and sails beautifully.  Still experimenting but will post up the latest attempts in a minute.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Cheap as chips - G4 pond sealer, a single-part resin, soaks in really well to porous materials, dries to a toughish finish. You end up with a card/plastic surface that'd work great on items like this.


Andy

Cheers Andy - will take a look.  Looking for something that can be easily added by the modeller whilst the parts are still in their frets to stiffen up the card prior to cutting out and adding to the model.  A spray application would be good - might even do that ourselves before adding the fret to the kit box if we go down the card route.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
Carl,
For superfine detail try Mylar, can be cut and etched, on low power high speed (on Laser)


Difficult to find the right glue but at a push roughen the surface and superglue will do the job, might get you through the show.


Regards,
Kim

Hi Kim - Hope you are well?
I will take a closer look at Mylar as you suggest.  Only had a quick squint so far at a couple of sites - but the first thing that strikes me is that it may be too flexible for handrailing.  As I said - needs closer inspection!  Thanks for the tip  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 11:17:52 PM
Hi Carl,
Your right, it is flexible, but here is the beauty - it will spring back not fold or break.
or cut your Stanchions and pass brass rod through it.


Hell of a lot cheaper than brass etch for the prototype.

Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 05, 2017, 11:19:44 PM
Been a busy weekend in the workshop!
 
As well as experimenting with the idea of using card for some of the detail parts such as handrails, stairways and ventilation grilles, we have been cracking on with actually building the model.  I have got to the stage now where I am having to complete the manufacturing drawings as I go along to enable the parts to be cut on the laser so it seems that not much progress has been made. However, as each drawing is completed and the sheet lasered out, that means one less drawing to finish for the production process.
 
Managed to find some quite stiff card that appears suitable for the ventilation grilles - on the prototype at least!  Research will continue for the kit production.............
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-1_zpsxirlkyvf.jpg)
 
The vent grilles themselves are single thickness card with the slats lasered in.  The vent doors are 2 part items - the door itself and the lip/seal around the edge.  The photos show the basic parts in the original card colour.  They will be sealed and then painted when the superstructures get painted:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-2_zpstlddcnb7.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-3_zpsfrtzubmf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-4_zpsfsvsfvlz.jpg)
 
Personally, I don't think it has come out too bad.  Card is far easier to work with than brass, is cheaper to produce the parts and easily replaceable should any damage or loss occur.
 
In other news, we have managed to get most of the bridge unit built.  This will now allow us to take templates for the bridge front with the bridge windows and the lower bulwark that wraps around the bridge front and up to the bridge wings:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-5_zpsurop07zb.jpg)
 
And this is the state of play tonight!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20050317-6_zpsx4wbchnj.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norsun_P on March 06, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
Carl,

This is taking shape magnificently! The impressive bulk of the Norland is really becoming apparent and thank you for sharing your trials, tribulations and discoveries as you go. The forward bridge section really captures the look of the real thing, and I can't wait to see the first finished model when you get there.

Keep going and best of luck for Dortmund  :-))

Regards, 

Peter
(formally user "HansP")
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 06, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
The card pieces do look very attractive in the grey. I can see the attraction of this for warships especially as a good base colour for painting on. I was worried about what seems to be residue in the grilles but wonder if that will dissapear once the vents are fitted?



Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 12:36:02 AM
Carl,

This is taking shape magnificently! The impressive bulk of the Norland is really becoming apparent and thank you for sharing your trials, tribulations and discoveries as you go. The forward bridge section really captures the look of the real thing, and I can't wait to see the first finished model when you get there.

Keep going and best of luck for Dortmund  :-))

Regards, 

Peter
(formally user "HansP")

Hi Peter - Great to hear from you and thank you for the encouragement.  Will you be going to Dortmund yourself?
As for the bulk of the ship, I am quite surprised at how portly she appears out of the water but in her day she was one of the largest (if not THE largest) ferry operating out of UK waters.  Really enjoying this build I have to say.....even if my domestic life is a bit on hold at the moment!!!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 12:42:24 AM
The card pieces do look very attractive in the grey. I can see the attraction of this for warships especially as a good base colour for painting on. I was worried about what seems to be residue in the grilles but wonder if that will dissapear once the vents are fitted?
Ian - Sorry I haven't responded to your PM yet...I promise I will get to it tomorrow.  Was hoping to answer at lunchtime today but have been stuck in meetings all day.
I am really 'struck' by how the card has lasered so cleanly.  The German card model company HMV use lasered card quite a bit for the details for their models but at 1:200 generally.  I am really tempted to ditch the lasered plastic doors on the superstructure and go with card versions as they come out so much cleaner and crisper.  There are no structural implications and it would save the modeller having to clean up such small plastic parts before assembly.  As for the residue, it is charred paper and can be blown away quite easily - I just hadn't done it before fitting the grilles  :embarrassed: .
Might even prove to be a little 'side line' producing laser cut and etched watertight doors, grilles etc. for other models and warships as you say..... hmmmmm food for thought there..........
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 12:47:29 AM
A few shots of this evenings work - assembling the top deck superstructure:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-3_zps9m6ofygw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-4_zpsmy782zis.jpg)
 
Making liberal use of the 5mm x 5mm obechi to brace up and strengthen the parts - very little weight added - and sufficient will be provided in the kit.
 
More grilles and cover doors added:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-6_zpsplkj7qmj.jpg)
 
Also provided in the kit will be sufficient 'I' beams to add to the underside of the overhanging decks - primarily at the rear:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-7_zpszefeueet.jpg)
 
Finally, a couple of overall shots port and starboard of the state of play as at midnight!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-2_zpshgjsrjlf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20070317-5_zpsjisg24mk.jpg)
 
Night night!!!!  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 07, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
I hope you slept well Carl as your late nights are producing a lovely model.

Re your sideline idea, I think that your only limitation is that you can only laser cut 2 dimensional parts. May I suggest you try cutting portholes and rigols as these are often a tedious item to make or produce, so doing a load in various sizes and on frets would be a winner. Maybe there is a limit to how small a diameer you can cut though.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
I hope you slept well Carl as your late nights are producing a lovely model.

Re your sideline idea, I think that your only limitation is that you can only laser cut 2 dimensional parts. May I suggest you try cutting portholes and rigols as these are often a tedious item to make or produce, so doing a load in various sizes and on frets would be a winner. Maybe there is a limit to how small a diameer you can cut though.

Portholes you say Ian?  Hmmmm....... I think I am going to have to start paying you for all these ideas  {-) {-)
 
How about these then?  300mm dia glass area at a scale of 1:96.  One represents an opening light, the other fixed.  Just knocked together following your suggestion so could probably improve on the quality with better quality card and more experimentation on the laser settings.  We could even cut the clear glazing to fit!!!
 
As cut:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Linkspan%20Models/WP_20170307_21_36_51_Pro_zpsboa36a3r.jpg)
 
After gluing together with thin superglue - this adds a little stiffening to the card as well:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Linkspan%20Models/WP_20170307_21_41_21_Pro_zpsjug13pm0.jpg)
 
I like the idea!!!!  Will most certainly come back to these ideas after the Dortmund show  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on March 07, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
I think you are going to get enough ideas and projects,to give up working for a living.
Will you pay Flo overtime rates lol.But I must admit the portholes are looking good!!
Cant wait to see that model,you are really progressing with it,and it will be a sure fire ht for you.
Wish my Ramillies could progress that quickly,and with such quality.
Mick F
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 07, 2017, 10:30:41 PM
Given your deadline for completion towards the show, I am impressed you had the time to develop them Carl!

They do look very detailed given they are made from 2 dimensional parts. Regards payment, my mind pops these ideas out as and when. Most are daft but a few seem to work. It is the ability to take an idea and make it work that is the skill. How many times have the theories of scientists and inventors been proven and developed. You have a machine and you know how to wield it.

Are you whittling Ferry tonight?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
Yes Ian - Whittling ferry as usual........ Just finished gluing the top deck superstructure on using 2 part epoxy on the wooden strengtheners.  No photo as she doesn't look all that different from last night.
 
As for the portholes - 'twas a 5 minute job to draw them and 5 seconds to cut them.  The longest time was to get the settings somewhere close between the laser not cutting through the card to totally incinerating it.  There are 3 variables on our machine which are variable from 1 to 100 : speed of the laser head over the bed, power of the laser in a straight line and power of the laser in corners or curves.  More work needs to be done on this aspect as looking at those ports under a glass highlights that the bolts around the rim, instead of just being etched impressions, are actually cut holes.  Too much power here methinks!  Quality and thickness of the card has a lot to do with it too.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
I think you are going to get enough ideas and projects,to give up working for a living.
Will you pay Flo overtime rates lol.But I must admit the portholes are looking good!!
Cant wait to see that model,you are really progressing with it,and it will be a sure fire ht for you.
Wish my Ramillies could progress that quickly,and with such quality.
Mick F

Hi Mick  :-))
Give up the day job eh?  I wish........ Unfortunately, my position at work means that to give up now would be a major loss to our income - and it is this income that is used for the development work for Linkspan!  And as for paying Flo overtime, I would have to pay her something first  {-) {-) .  In fact, Linkspan is actually HER company!!! Tax reasons say that my name is kept off the books so, in theory, she can pay herself!!! 
 
As for your Ramillies - don't put her or yourself down friend.  She is a cracking model and a real credit to you.  You are on a personal mission with this model and I, for one, cant wait to see her on the water.  Remember, I have seen her in the flesh and can attest that she can stand scrutiny with the best of them.  There is only one Alex McFadyen and there was only one Brian King - both men produced sublime models and us mortals can only dream about attaining their standard.  I am enjoying building the Norland.  In fact, she is the only r/c model boat that I have ever built myself to completion (my Yorkshireman is still unfinished after 15 years!) so it will be a unique experience for me to actually finish it  O0 O0 .
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 07, 2017, 11:26:32 PM
I agree with the comments about Alex and Brian but you can probably add Andy Dalton to that company. His HMS Renown pre dreadnought exhibited at the Model Engineer Exhibition is easily in the same class as Brian and I am currently subbing an article from him which will appear in Model Boats in due course.


Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 07, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
I agree with the comments about Alex and Brian but you can probably add Andy Dalton to that company. His HMS Renown pre dreadnought exhibited at the Model Engineer Exhibition is easily in the same class as Brian and I am currently subbing an article from him which will appear in Model Boats in due course.


Colin

I am sorry Colin - I wasn't aware of Mr Dalton or his models.  I look forward to reading your article and learning more.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 08, 2017, 12:16:29 AM
No need to apologise Carl, I was simply sharing the information that we still have models of Alex and Brian's calibre which is good news. Have a look at my report on the 2016 Model Engineer Exhibition on thd Model Boats website to see a couple of photos of Andy's superb model.


Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 08, 2017, 09:57:55 PM
Finally!!! After many phone calls and emails, a representative of the Company who will take delivery of the Norland when she is complete has arrived at the shipyard.  He is the skipper and, as is the way with new-buildings, he will 'stand by' the vessel at the yard until she is complete to familiarise himself with all aspects of her.
 
As time and the build progresses he will be joined by other members of his crew - first the Chief Engineer, then the senior bridge officers and then finally the ship's compliment just before she goes out on trials.
 
Here is the Captain being shown around his new ship by one of the Directors of the shipbuilders:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080317-1_zpsptksryks.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20080317-2_zpser8atqnq.jpg)
 
Skipper is looking a little grey and his uniform is somewhat crumpled - he must have had a terrible flight!!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 08, 2017, 10:14:34 PM
You need to get an exclusive interview Carl...

Does he approve of the cardboard?

Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard Q on March 08, 2017, 10:15:44 PM
Hello.  The word is lived in, for the skippers uniform, he has a very busy schedule, Dortmund here we come!!!!, she is looking good Carl, you are making a superb job of the model it is a credit to your skill and perseverance. Howard Q
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on March 08, 2017, 10:19:27 PM
Carl,
 Have you nicked two of my most important work force from my Austin & Pickergill SD14 build.
    Your doing an amazing job my friend hope to see you at m,m,m in may.
           
          Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Atlantic Mouldings on March 08, 2017, 11:20:34 PM
looking good Carl. :-))


See you at Dortmund,  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 10, 2017, 11:28:29 PM
You need to get an exclusive interview Carl...

Does he approve of the cardboard?

Colin

Ha ha - It has taken this long to pin him down!!!
 
As for approving the cardboard - he has another part to consider.  This is a small platform that leads from one deck down over a lower one to a waiting lifeboat.  It contains a wooden ladder rolled under canvas:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/399870_2578828283845_1376092268_n_zpsypya0lwu.jpg)
 
An ideal candidate for etched brass you would say......  Well, whilst waiting for other stuff to dry off from gluing I have been experimenting with laser cut card again:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170310_22_49_22_Pro_zpsert4kon3.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170310_22_49_43_Pro_zps4nk5domk.jpg)
 
Again, not good enough quality card at the moment but it looks like it might have possibilities:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170310_23_09_39_Pro_zps8lcvc9ys.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170310_23_10_07_Pro_zpsheytx0pm.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170310_23_10_34_Pro_zpsfdqxz0wx.jpg)
 
Bit of tweaking and adjustment and better quality card might just make this work - there are 10 of them on the ship.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dreadnought72 on March 11, 2017, 01:34:54 PM
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/399870_2578828283845_1376092268_n_zpsypya0lwu.jpg)
That's familiar! I took my eldest son (then twelve weeks old) to a Medieval weekend in Belgium back in May, 1998. We took the Norland from Hull to Zeebrugge (I think!). A car and trailer full of armour, weaponry, tent, furniture and nappies: I must have been crazy!  %%


Andy
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 11, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Busy weekend!!! Target is to finish the building of all the main structures so that fettling can take place during the early part of the week in readiness for painting.
 
All decks now completed.  Funnel in build as is the foremast.  Bridge front to be added tomorrow along with numerous ventilation grilles scattered around.
 
State of play this evening:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110317-1_zpsvuqo590g.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20110317-2_zpsefq9minx.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: big_bri on March 12, 2017, 02:53:18 AM
 Truly Outstanding Carl. :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Brian60 on March 12, 2017, 07:44:01 AM
Coming along in leaps and bounds Carl.

I thought you might like this one from a Dutch builder, its at 1:100 scale, I like the way he's managed the photo perspective so that it looks like a full scale ship.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 12, 2017, 08:39:21 PM
Hi Brian, I was expecting you to write 'Here's a picture of a real Norland somewhere in Scandinavia'. This model is so realistic! And at 1:100th as well.

Your model is coming along nicely Carl. I see the skipper is inspecting the bridge arrangements prior to you fitting it:O)


Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norsun_P on March 13, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
Hi Carl,

Sadly I can't make it to Dortmund this year, but I am really enjoying following your progress to get the Norland ready. Your discoveries along the way seem to be providing all sorts of offshoots into other areas, you are clearly innovating the business of making ferry kits as much as providing new models in themselves. Will you be sailing her on the "pond" in the Westfalenhalle, or just have her on static display? 

I really like the way the model captures the bulk of the hull, and with it the whole point of the Norland / Norstar, which was their enormous capacity. The breadth of the upper decks and the *huge* amount of deckspace on offer, something passengers on PoH / PoR can only dream of, is readily apparent. It's great to see the first tantalizing form of the iconic funnel and forward masts towering, even temporarily, over the superstructure. When the time comes to place an order, I am looking forward to the model re-awakening many memories of my crossings on her so long ago.

Great to hear that a detailling kit will be offered - "mine" will never sail, but will be stuffed and mounted with all the detailling you can provide. I intend to make the stern door operational, fit out the rear end of the cardecks and install LED lighting throughout. After all, she's a "ferry of the night" and will look stunning sat in my study with radars spinning and all lights aglow..... can't wait :-)

Keep going Carl, you deserve a medal for your efforts - or at the very least a very full order book from Dortmund!

Peter
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 13, 2017, 11:44:57 PM
Been working on the funnel this evening.  Quite a distinctive shape so needs to be got right.
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20130317-4_zpsigsssnkk.jpg)
 
The funnel itself has a skeleton of 0.5mm styrene which is then skinned also in 0.5mm styrene.
 
The funnel top / cap in the kit will be a vac-formed part however the prototype uses the master that will be moulded to form the tool for vac-forming:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20130317-1_zpsmwnslyeb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20130317-2_zpsnpr336vt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Nor%20130317-3_zpsrosr7wjh.jpg)
 
Once the glue has had 24 hours to dry the stepped appearance will be rubbed down to form a smooth cap.
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 24, 2017, 11:33:09 PM
Been a busy week in the Linkspan Models workshop!  The Dortmund show is fast approaching and we want to get the Norland prototype to a stage that she will look presentable at least.  She wont be finished - much detailing to add - but the main ship will be built and painted.
 
Tasks this past week have included sorting the rear stepped decks, fitting the bridge unit and painting.
 
Firstly, the decks at the rear are stepped forward from deck to deck and have a pronounced sloping edge to them.  To achieve this edge, 'I' beams were fitted below each deck, much like the real ship, and were allowed to project a little beyond the rear edge of the deck:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170316_22_14_58_Pro_zpscynm0qa6.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170316_22_15_55_Pro_zpsfami2xfk.jpg)
 
This would then give some additional support to the sloping deck edge trim - which is a specific shape for each deck cut on the laser:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170317_23_12_01_Pro_zpsejq4y6kw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170317_23_22_11_Pro_zpsfdl5dfal.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170318_09_22_29_Pro_zpsiiscsi4n.jpg)
 
The use of tape to hold the edges in place while the glue dried was essential!
 
Next came the equally tricky task of fitting the bridge front and windows - again special shapes to allow the units to curve around the front and, at the same time, slope forward and backward.  They are still not quite right and will be fettled some more for the kit, but will suffice for the prototype for now:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170318_22_17_14_Pro_zpsnnvoxryb.jpg)
 
Then it was time to get some colour laid on!!!
 
Firstly, the red primer antifoul:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_16_11_17_Pro_zpsyijyryil.jpg)
 
Then the grey primer for the superstructure unit:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_17_33_41_Pro_zpss69uvixs.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_17_33_34_Pro_zpsgko4z1jj.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_17_41_41_Pro_zpstcsdnc7c.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_17_41_50_Pro_zpseczarjpw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170319_17_42_15_Pro_zpsgj7himxz.jpg)
 
And now this is the state of play as of this evening - all upper-works have been sprayed with appliance white and the decks brush painted with Humbrol Green (Matt 88).  The funnel is Volkswagen Brilliant Orange on a grey primer base:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170324_23_11_10_Pro_zpszticyntk.jpg)
 
We have also had our first delivery of the 3D fittings for the kit - bollards, capstans, the tops to the large vents on the foredeck and the spare anchor:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170324_22_55_48_Pro_zpsswuxhkvv.jpg)
 
Tasks this weekend include a second coat of green on the decks, construct the wind deflector on top of the bridge and prep the hull for the black paint  :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Capt Podge on March 24, 2017, 11:40:42 PM
You are certainly going to the enth degree with this one Carl - those deck edges must have been a nightmare to produce and fit. She's looking every inch a ferry. Good on yer. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 25, 2017, 09:35:08 AM

I agree, it is looking great.  I'm admiring the precision of her shapes and the overall effect.

Coming along great.    :-))

ken
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: colin-stevens on March 25, 2017, 09:39:22 AM
Not my thing, but following this build with alot of interest. Its superb.

Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 25, 2017, 05:14:26 PM
Thank you for the kind comments Gents  :-))
 
Have taken advantage of the great weather today to finish off painting the hull - the anti-foul and the white upper-works were done during the week and now it was the turn of the main hull sides which are black.
 
Patience is the watchword here - masking the upper and lower limits of the black took the best part of 2 hours and was accomplished with 3M fineline vinyl tape (as recommended by Stavros) to form the paint edge.  Onto this was laid the paper held with regular masking tape firmly secured along the centreline of the blue 3M tape:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_14_04_27_Pro_zpslqcvty5z.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_15_31_47_Pro_zpsxosoq4vn.jpg)
 
Once all is covered and checked for any chinks in the armour, it was time to take the bull by the horns and start spraying the black:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_15_44_26_Pro_zpstrvjjr42.jpg)
 
Warm weather and no wind certainly contributed to an enjoyable day outside!!  It didn't take long to get the black down nice and evenly and, following half an hour to allow the paint to flash off, it was time to remove the masking to reveal whether all that work in the morning had paid off.
 
Have to say, I don't think it turned out too shabby  :-))
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_16_39_51_Pro_zpsctk395kv.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_16_40_21_Pro_zpsoyrn5278.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170325_16_41_12_Pro_zpst0cczyle.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: colin-stevens on March 25, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
Oh my. A real stunner
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 25, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
Amen. There is nothing shabby at all about the model. She looks a little like a nineenth century warship or a classic ocean liner. Perhaps the latter style is what the company was looking for.

Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: hama on March 25, 2017, 08:15:02 PM
Wow :o
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Howard on March 25, 2017, 08:17:31 PM
No words needed Carl  the photo's say more then words can.
Hope we may chat again if your going to mobile marine models in may.


                            Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 28, 2017, 12:51:48 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Gents!!
Hama - Just as soon as we get back from Dortmund, thoughts will be turning to starting the design of Dalaro  :-)) .  I think I have figured out how she will go together......
 
Howard - We hope to be there in May... Need to speak with Brian and let him know....
 
Been experimenting with producing our own graphics.  Laser cutters can cut very precisely when carefully set up but the biggest problem with graphics is the material used - PVC. Poly Vinyl Chloride.  It is the Chloride part that causes us the problem.  When burned - as when cut with a laser - it gives off deadly chlorine gas....which is not good for the lungs and not good for the laser machine as it is highly corrosive.  However, we have found a supplier of Chlorine-free vinyl and this is what we have used.  It feels, looks, cuts and sticks just like the normal PVC graphics but wont kill us in the process!!!
 
Anyroad, graphics have now been applied - well, all the main white ones that is......need to get some black vinyl to add the name and port of registry on the stern flanks.  I don't think it has come out too badly!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_19_50_07_Pro_zpsm2jmutae.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_19_57_45_Pro_zpsjrmolrfe.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_20_07_42_Pro_zpst6pa0nhx.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_23_03_07_Pro_zpstim8jpow.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_23_03_23_Pro_zpsh5vvzcty.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_23_03_43_Pro_zpskbuptn8y.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_23_04_00_Pro_zpsqdo8aulj.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170327_23_04_23_Pro_zpsebt5qvsv.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Stavros on March 28, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
And a lovelly clean crisp line between the black and antifouling crackin work there


Dave
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: raflaunches on March 28, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
Stunning work Carl, she's come a long why since I saw the prototype hull at Wicksteed last year. Keep up the good work and can't wait to see her on the water. :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: chipchase on March 28, 2017, 09:03:19 AM
Ferries are not my thing either Carl but i am really impressed with the way she looks your making a fantastic job her. :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Robbie11 on March 28, 2017, 10:58:33 AM
She's come a long way since the early pictures on page 5 of this thread. Looking tremendous!!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Norsun_P on March 28, 2017, 12:08:26 PM
Carl,

She looks fantastic, a real gem! Even without all of the added detail parts the model captures the real thing brilliantly, can't wait to see the finished thing.

Please post some pictures from Dortmund if you get chance....

Best wishes,

Peter
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: BFSMP on March 28, 2017, 03:01:23 PM

ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!........this model is a really stunning model.


Jim.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 28, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
Amen. I like your endevours to do as much yourself as possible. Some things are best left the experts, but things like laser cutting and doing the drawings are your speciality. (Along with plug making of course!)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 29, 2017, 11:51:03 PM
You are all embarrassing me!!!  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:  But thank you all the same  O0 O0 . 
 
Managed to finish off the major graphics this evening (in between casting parts for the Free Enterprise kits) - just the name to add toward the stern in black:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170329_23_13_37_Pro_zpsbtfjc950.jpg)
 
And the real ship....
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/NSF%20LETTERING_zpsdcxnit9n.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: derekwarner on March 30, 2017, 12:54:35 AM
Looking fine Carl  :-)) ......

Question....what is the purpose of this ungainly block like protuberance attached to the foredeck superstructure?

Derek
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on March 30, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
Hi Derek - It is the housing for an internal passenger staircase.  There will be 4 large ventilators in front of it eventually so it wont look so obvious.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on March 30, 2017, 08:42:33 PM
And the real thing looks to have a railing around it as well further improving the look.

Don't be embarrassed be pleased that you can build a really nice model out of your kit. I know it is your kit and you should know bestest how to put it together, but the in-progress shots show you havn't pugged tubs of filler into it or needed to shim panels with bits of plastic showing it is a tight kit.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 08, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
Been a little quiet of late on here....but have certainly not been resting on my laurels since we got back from Dortmund......
 
We had a cracking show out there - made all the more enjoyable by the friends we shared the show with as well as the numerous modellers and enthusiasts we talked to.
 
However, it has been 'all guns blazing' since we got back - on both the Norland and day job fronts!!!  For the Norland, we have been preparing the artwork for the etched details as well as pulling the drawings into some sort of sensible and readable format.  The instruction book has been started to be written but I have yet to make a start on the 3D diagrams for the instructions - this will be one of the last things I do.
 
For the etched details, we have decided to go with nickel silver this time.  It is a slightly harder material and will stand a little more 'abuse' in this scale than will brass.  Most of the parts will be 0.3mm thick with detail picked out by etching away material (for instance the blades of the oars for the lifeboats will be etched to a final thickness of 0.15mm).  In addition, we will be offering sheets of 3 hole and 2 hole stanchions separately as a part of a new range of accessories and fittings.  We will also be offering etched details of oars, bridge window wipers, lifeboat davit chains and , eventually, stairways and ladders - all in 1:96.  A little later this year we will also make available a range of 3D printed fittings such as bollards, vents, winches and radars.
 
Back to the Norland etched details - these are the jpeg images of the etched nickel silver sheets.  These will now go to the fabricator for etching............
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20LM002%20-%203%20-%2003%20NS_zps9z7o3cw7.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20LM002%20-%201%20-%2003%20NS_zpswesasp8h.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20LM002%20-%202%20-%2003%20NS_zpshtoavvao.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/Norland%20LM002%20-%204%20-%2002%20NS_zps3usnmalj.jpg)
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on May 08, 2017, 11:27:48 PM
Wow,you have been busy.I think you will find a readymarket for most of those fittings in that scale!
You will soon be able to invite people to
"Come up and see my Etchings" lol
Mick F
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 09, 2017, 12:04:35 AM
Talking of Dortmund, here are a few 'snaps' that were taken during the show............
 
Huge thanks must go to Doug and Mike from the Peterborough Area Model Boat Club for allowing us to snaffle some space on the end of their stand to display the Norland and Free Enterprise V - Thoroughly good chaps and great company!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/DSCN1336_zpsn1uoj3rt.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/DSCN1331_zpsx3wq6eco.jpg)
 
Thanks also to Ron Dean and his 'opo' Colin........it was Ron that first encouraged us to go to Dortmund - and now we are hooked!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/DSCN1333_zpsludjb4wn.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/DSCN1334_zpsg5axdngu.jpg)

 

 
And finally, a couple of shots of the Norland on the indoor pond at the show.......
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170404_12_37_00_Pro_zpskthem69e.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170404_12_36_34_Pro_zpsqjycqvoj.jpg)
 
We also have some short video of her sailing and just as soon as I have sorted it I will post it here.
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: dougal99 on May 09, 2017, 09:22:32 AM
The Dortmund pictures must have been taken with a fast shutter speed - not a berliner in sight  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on May 09, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
The stanchion frets do form an optical illusion! I salute you having to check those through before signing off.

Your idea to have some accessories is a good idea.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 18, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
Getting very close to the launch date for the Norland now!!!!  %% %% %%
 
Have ordered the first three production hulls from the fabricator and they should be with us by the 12th June.  Fair bit to sort out and 'tidy up' yet such as the instructions and drawings, but just about all else is ready  :-)) .
 
A few more of the prototype 3D fittings arrived today:
 
The two ships horns - these are mounted into the windbreak above the bridge windows:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170518_22_06_50_Pro_zpscqwbb5k6.jpg)
 
And the final davits to make up the full set for the ship - these are slightly smaller than the main set as the first boat each side of the ship is slightly smaller:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170518_22_16_33_Pro_zpscopl1pzb.jpg)
 
I hope to have at least some of the etched nickel silver railing and stairways fitted by the time of Wicksteed even if it wont be completely finished.
 
Nearly there now!!!!!!  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on May 18, 2017, 11:05:10 PM
I can't wait to see it Saturday week Carl!
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 18, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
I can't wait to see it Saturday week Carl!

Looking forward to having a chat Ian  O0
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 19, 2017, 11:44:53 PM
The prototype etched nickel silver sheets arrived today - pretty pleased with them I have to say  O0 O0 .
 
The scale wiper blades for the bridge windows are a little delicate to say the least and need handling with care so as not to damage them and the oars may be a little too scale as well but, overall, I think they will do...............
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_38_34_Pro_zpsgzdmkj6w.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_38_18_Pro_zpsafue2we9.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_41_33_Pro_zps8slclalz.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_37_57_Pro_zpsbdwzfwzf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_42_44_Pro_zpsdiaf5ukz.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_37_26_Pro_zpsoerbccyw.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_40_16_Pro_zpsanka8smj.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170519_19_42_23_Pro_zps6r4hcxl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 20, 2017, 09:36:24 AM

My goodness.  That's fine work.

Splendid job.    :-))

ken
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Post by: Howard on May 20, 2017, 11:02:13 AM



             Amazing Carl, A master works his magic again.


                       Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on May 20, 2017, 11:45:21 AM
That is a lot of etch! You rarely get a tenth of that in a plastic tank kit.

What are the flower like pieces?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 20, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
Thank you all - trying to move the bar a little higher in the kit world.........
That is a lot of etch! You rarely get a tenth of that in a plastic tank kit.

What are the flower like pieces?

Those are the propellers for the lifeboats Ian - they just need the blades tweaking when applied to the model.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 21, 2017, 09:53:52 PM
Starting to apply the etched nickel silver now - I love this material.......so much better to work with than brass as, thickness for thickness, it is a lot firmer and bends (when needed) much 'cleaner' without kinking.
 
One of the stairways folded up and placed (not yet fixed) in position.  There will be a round handrail glued to this which is a continuation of the railings from the deck above:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170520_22_51_26_Pro_zps1tsmz5bd.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170520_22_54_19_Pro_zpszkhirtbb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170520_22_54_33_Pro_zpsg19ia3bf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170520_22_54_45_Pro_zpsg7drbquv.jpg)
 
Also made a start on the access gangways and ladders to the foredeck and up to bridge front:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170521_21_01_16_Pro_zpsaw0ac2sd.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170521_21_01_35_Pro_zpsge0jq1mf.jpg)
 
Boy, am I looking forward to dealing with all those stanchions..........over 750 of them!!!!!
 
 :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on May 21, 2017, 10:28:45 PM
Do lots of breathing exercises and deep breaths, or have a small glass of your favourite tipple to steady your nerves pre stanchion:O)

It looks very accurate that stairway.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on May 29, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
Now that Wicky is over for another year, it is full steam ahead to get the Norland prototype finished so that she can be photographed for the launch.  To which end, I also have to balance the tasks of finishing tidying up the build drawings, creating the 3D diagrams and writing the instructions...along with creating the last of the 3D printed fittings (windlasses etc,) - all with the aim of launching the kit sometime in June!
 
Main task on the model is to get all the railings added, then the lifeboat davits and boats then the last of the fittings.  As mentioned, this is going to be a task and a half so plenty of breaks taken to steady the nerves and prevent me losing my temper with them when things don't quite go to plan.
 
Done so far - the access walkway to the bow and half the railing under the bridge windows:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170529_22_43_08_Pro_zpsxa0ur8fw.jpg)
 
Lengths of railing on the uppermost deck has been started:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170529_22_42_37_Pro_zpsmywpr7xc.jpg)
 
And this is the method I use to mark out where the stanchions appear on the deck:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170528_20_26_31_Pro_zps6nu5palh.jpg)
 
Now, what do folk think?  Should I leave all the etched metalwork in it's natural state, thereby highlighting the nature of it when the model is on display at shows, or should I paint it?  I am tempted by the former to be honest and not just because it saves the ball-ache of painting it all, but being painted it would be prototypical.  Interested in your thoughts...........
 
 :-))

PS - There is still the top handrail to be added to all the stanchions yet - I am waiting on a delivery of suitable wire.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: gingyer on May 29, 2017, 11:39:32 PM
Why not half and half??


One side all painted for photos and display of a finished model
And the other showing the parts
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 30, 2017, 06:39:19 AM
I would prefer to see the model properly completed otherwise it just looks unfinished, but I do understand your point. I have seen models in shows where there is a tray in front of the boat with a selection of fittings 'in the raw' so to speak so it is possible to see exactly what has gone into the model, in your case what people will be getting with the kit.


Best under glass of course!


Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: BFSMP on May 30, 2017, 12:48:11 PM

I agree with Colin on that one.


I have always felt that museum models [although they were showing the craftsmanship of the apprentice ship builders in part, as well as the designated model builders] looked unfinished and as such "not real".


And the suggestion of having some sort of display case with certain parts of the etchings in a fabricated manner would look superb, imho.


Jim.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 30, 2017, 03:21:39 PM
This is what Colin Vass did when displaying his amazing Warspite model.

Colin
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on May 30, 2017, 08:20:05 PM
Could you draw and laser cut a paper mask that goes over the deck and has slots that the stanchions sit in? Then spray them in situ as I assume they will be the same colour as the walls they are above?

If you drew the hole marking jigs then would it be that difficult to copy and modify the jigs to become masks with slots instead of holes/centre marks?

I assume you have the distinct benefit of having marking jigs for all the rails on the ship?
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 03, 2017, 11:47:20 PM
Hi All - Thanks for the views on whether to paint the etchwork or not...really appreciated  O0 .
 
Have decided to go for it and will be spending time with the brush and Humbrol in the near future.  As for making a mask to spray the railings, in theory it might be possible but practically I would have to mask off the whole ship if I were to spray them in-situ.  I think the answer will be to assemble the stanchions to the decks 'dry', add the horizontal railing (I generally use superglue on each joint instead of solder) and then when the glue has dried, remove the whole assembly and spray elsewhere.  Once the paint has dried the completed section can then be reintroduced to the deck with a pin-prick of superglue in the hole in the deck.  Will post the results later  :-)) .
 
During this week (evenings) I have been tidying up all the kit assembly drawings and ensuring that the data drawings for the laser-cutter are correct and complete.  Nearly there with that now so just have to order up some more styrene sheet and we will be good to go for cutting the first 5 kits worth.  Today has been spent in the workshop creating the masters of the lifeboats.  These will be vac-formed units in the kit to keep the weight down:
 
First job - create the basic wooden form from pre-shaped styrene and hard balsa (that I just had hanging around):
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170603_161255_zpsskcm8sed.jpg)
 
These were then roughed out on the bandsaw to get the plan shape:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170603_163324_zpsxjxj4hhd.jpg)
 
and then finished off by hand sanding.  As these are going to be used for creating the master mould, they were waxed and polished to within an inch of their lives and secured into their styrene mould boxes:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170603_214610_zpsnjvyqdlo.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170603_214620_zpsct8bulgd.jpg)
 
Whilst there are 10 lifeboats on the ship, there are only 2 sizes (8 large, 2 small) so we can get away with only making 2 masters.  These were then encased in the RTV mould mix and then placed in the airing cupboard to cure overnight:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170603_222311_zpslhkfhvde.jpg)
 
Once these have cured, resin castings will be taken - 8 times for the large one and twice for the smaller - so that they can be attached to a board and vac-formed as one sheet.
 
More tomorrow!!!  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on June 04, 2017, 12:54:24 AM
Were my lifeboats,ex Caronia model,no good for your purposes Carl?
Those you have made are looking good anyway.Another positive step forward.
Keep up the good work
Its going to be a beauty!!
Mick.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 04, 2017, 01:34:31 PM
Hi Mick  :-))
No mate, the Caronia boats were too small to use.  No matter though, I will take moulds from them so that you have a nice fresh set for your restoration.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: Rottweiler on June 04, 2017, 03:05:58 PM
Thanks Carl,certainly no hurry to have them.
Shame you couldn't use them though
Mick.
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on June 04, 2017, 11:11:26 PM
Hi carl, I fear that styrene band around the edge of the hull master will cause you no end of trouble at the vac forming stage unless the wooden layer below it is the same size or more. It looks like it will cause an undercut trapping the vacformed sheet onto the masters.

Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on June 04, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
Done so far - the access walkway to the bow and half the railing under the bridge windows:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/WP_20170529_22_43_08_Pro_zpsxa0ur8fw.jpg)
 


Hello Carl,

I haven't been here at Model Boat Mayhem's for a while, so I've been missing your advances with the NORLAND kit prototype.

I am stunned and congratulate you to your achievements so far and the exquisite model shipwright craftsmanship that you exhibit here.

A couple of days ago I bought the latest issue of the German ModellWerft (https://www.vth.de/modellwerft/heftarchiv/2017/ausgabe-6) model boat magazine because it featured an article about the scratch scale build of DFDS's PRINCESS SEAWAY (ex TT Lines´ PETER PAN) whose model was also depicted on the magazine's front cover.
In the same issue was a report about the Intermodellbau 2017 exhibition at Dortmund, and in this article on page 70 there was a photo of presumably Linkspan's booth at this venue showing a model of the PRIDE OF HYTHE.

Unfortunately, Dortmund is too far away from Berlin for me, so that neither my wife would give me leave for a visit, nor that I could afford the traveling for just a day or two.
Otherwise I would have enjoyed to have met you at your booth for a wee chat.

Anyway, that article reminded me of your tireless and diligent project, that I should more regularly follow here.

Just a silly question about your photo above which I quoted.
Is the side walkway really meant for the crew to access the forecastle deck?
This seems a bit strange to me, as the front wall of the superstructure surely must host a door for access from within.
Likewise, I cannot imagine that the walkway is for uses such as window cleaning, paint work, or light bulbs changing.
Or is it an exterior access to the focsle in case of fire or smoke in the indoor rooms and paths?


Ralph
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 11, 2017, 10:26:43 PM
Hi Ralph - Great to hear from you :-))
 
Thank you so much for the compliments - although I am not so sure that I exhibit 'exquisite' craftsmanship with my modelling as evidenced by the wind visor above the bridge in the photo  {-) , but I sure am enjoying developing this kit.
 
With regard to the ModellWerft magazine, and the model of the Princess Seaways therin, I would love to be able to obtain a copy as this sounds like a great article.  I do know the model and the modeller as we 'follow' each other on Facebook - he is currently building a 1:100 version of the older TT Linie ferry Peter Pan.  I didn't realise that a shot of our Pride of Hythe was also within - although I did speak with the Editor when he was visiting the stands.  We didn't have a Linkspan booth as such though, we were kindly allowed to exhibit the models on the PAMBC stand.
 
As for the walkway on the Norland model, yes; it is actually the only means of access that I am aware of, of getting to the bow.  There are no other doors in the front superstructure I can find on any of the plans, drawings or photos that I have.  I understand that there are a couple of hatchways in the foredeck which, I assume, are emergency escapes from spaces below the deck.
 
Pressing on now with getting everything ready for the launch of the kit this month - although it does seem like chicken and egg getting there though!  Either I have to work on the drawings and instructions or I work on finishing the prototype model.  Either way, the launch cannot really take place until both are completed.
 
I do hope you can one day make it to Dortmund - it really is a great show and it would be marvellous to meet you at last!
 
All the best
Carl
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 11, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
As mentioned above, there are many 'small' matters that need to be attended to before we can officially launch the kit.  The main drawings are now 80% complete - just the deck detailing and detailed elevations to complete.  The instructions have yet to be started, as have the 3D drawings that will form part of those instructions, but we have copious notes to refer to!!!
 
All the wood, propellers, propeller shafts and wire are here, the styrene sheets are on order for delivery this week - laser cutting at the weekend!!  A few more 3D fittings to be designed - primarily the anchor winches for the bow - and then the order will be placed (over 150 fittings per model).  The etched nickel silver sheets are ordered and the graphics will be cut next weekend. And the biggie!!!! I collect the first production hulls tomorrow evening!!!!!  O0 O0 O0  So.........all set for a launch this month!!!!
 
As well as cracking on with getting all the drawings sorted - and this includes ensuring that all the 'production' drawings for the laser machine are correct with no 'bugs' - I have been trying to progress the work on the prototype model.  This weekend it has been work on the masts :
 
Above the bridge and just in front of the binnacle is a simple mast carrying the steaming lights.  This is constructed from 2mm ramin dowel with 1mm brass support legs.  The platforms carrying the lamps are lasered out of 1mm thick styrene.
 
I found it was easier to construct this mast off the model using a scrap piece of styrene as a template to hold the mast and supports - so with the template dimensioned up, the correct sized holes were drilled in it and the dowel inserted, followed by the brass support legs superglued into the dowel:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_150204_zps9ylxncml.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_152838_zpsvexll9r9.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_152851_zpsqzmzqyk0.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_152912_zpsrlp8fav4.jpg)
 
Once dried, the lasered styrene lamp platforms were glued in place:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_174157_zpsxlpojzkf.jpg)
 
Following this, the whole assembly was painted and then mounted on the model with the main upright mast let in to a 2mm hole in the deck and the support legs resting on the deck.  The whole lot was superglued in place, then the 8 individual lamps were added to the platforms:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_212433_zpsud38b7dx.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_212529_zpstqv0nao9.jpg)
 
The main mast has also been structurally completed and just awaits the fitting of the radars and handrailing:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_212549_zps8yy3v9cf.jpg)
 
And this is a quick overview of how she stands this evening:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170611_213024_zpsoojn8mad.jpg)
 
Lots more railing to add yet......................... %%
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on June 11, 2017, 10:59:18 PM
You are on a winner if you are providing templates in the kit for such jobs Carl  :-)) I think that little things like that make a good kit great and shows you care about your customer's building experience. No model boat kit is snap together, but a jig here and there are so helpful. A few styrene military model kits have provided jigs in the past.

Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 12, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
You are on a winner if you are providing templates in the kit for such jobs Carl  :-)) I think that little things like that make a good kit great and shows you care about your customer's building experience. No model boat kit is snap together, but a jig here and there are so helpful. A few styrene military model kits have provided jigs in the past.

Hi Ian - Yes, there will be a few jigs with this kit.  The mast shown here (although that is quite simple, but every little helps!) and one for setting up the rudders - which will be most useful I think.  The shafts should be self aligning with the use of the A frames, but a jig for setting their spacing apart will also be included.  All these jigs can be incorporated on the 'scrap' parts of the 2mm thick styrene.
 
 
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on June 12, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
A 'Red Letter' day here at Linkspan Towers - the first 3 production hulls have arrived!!!!!  %% %% %%
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170612_203046_zps3rwzhjdf.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170612_203057_zpstbgffduj.jpg)
 
Now to crack on and get the rest of the kit ready........................ ok2 ok2
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: ballastanksian on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 PM
I bet you felt it was like Christmas opening those up eh Carl! From what I can see they look really crisp
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: deadwood on June 17, 2017, 04:13:07 PM
With regard to the ModellWerft magazine, and the model of the Princess Seaways therin, I would love to be able to obtain a copy as this sounds like a great article. 

Hello Carl,

I would like to send you the scanned article. But I am not sure if you have received my email that I had sent to your sky.com account.
At least it wasn't bounced and a DNS query shows it as a valid MX record.
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$ dig sky.com. mx +short
1 mx-eu.mail.am0.yahoodns.net.

Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: carlmt on July 21, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
OK - I know I have been a bit quiet on here lately regarding the Norland.  Sorry folks - life has got in the way (the day-job mainly) but it doesn't mean that we have been resting on our laurels here at Linkspan HQ.
 
Two of the first three Norland hulls have gone to their new owners - even though we hadn't quite got everything together - but these chaps were keen to see what all the fuss was about and they will be receiving the remaining bits and bobs over the  next week or so.
To that end, the last of the 'prototype' parts have arrived and we are quite pleased with how they have turned out.
 
First up is the final sheet of etched nickel silver:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_215532_zpsygkzydq4.jpg)
 
This sheet (there are two kit's worth shown here) replaces the idea of using laser cut card for the vent grilles.  We just could not source suitable card stock in the short time frame for the purpose so we have gone the etched metal route:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_215809_zpsc1kmj33a.jpg)
 
I think you will agree that it is very crisp and, should the modeller wish to, each grille slat can be rotated by 45 degrees to better represent the original.
 
In addition, we had the final 3D parts turn up.  First up are the life-rings and panama ports:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_220430_zps5kproto2.jpg)
 
These will also be made available as accessories - initially at 1:96 scale - in packets of 5, most likely launched at Warwick.
 
Also a future accessory, but in actual fact a prominent part on the Norland fordeck, is the spare anchor:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_220453_zpszqyhiabd.jpg)
 
And finally, the anchor cable windlasses (starboard version shown):
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_220517_zpsavlc4u9i.jpg)
 
And the whole ensemble:
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170721_220556_zpsoxxzvamm.jpg)
 
So now that that is the kit parts sorted, just the instruction book to write!!!!
 
First show will be Haydock, then Ron Dean's Open Weekend, then Blackpool and finally Warwick.
 
Must get the prototype model finished then!!!!  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
 
Pip pip.
 
Oh....by the way......one of the chaps who was mad kind enough to buy has been in touch to ask if it would be possible to produce the parts necessary to depict the model in her stretched configuration!  As if the model isn't long enough already  :o .  Well.......anything is possible.........
I love a challenge......................
Title: Re: Linkspan Models Norland / Norstar - Development of a kit.....
Post by: derekwarner on July 22, 2017, 04:28:07 AM
Yes Carl.......these etched nickel-silver detail plates looks very crisp indeed :-)), however a few questions

1. do the individual etched panels require a super light rub with ~~1200 W&D paper to obtain a surface for paint to adhere  <*< to?

2. with the external surface of the plates being nickel coated ''family of brass of copper & zinc" ....we assume this will not corrode or oxidise ....however the edge of the sheet being etch cut.....will they oxidise if left unpainted?

3. if the answer to 2. is yes......then do the manufacturers who etch the completed plates add a preservative [oiled or WD40] type finish to stop oxidation?

Derek

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Post by: ballastanksian on July 22, 2017, 01:18:00 PM
Nickel is corrosive and will react with other metals if they touch, but against GRP, it should not be an issue. I have found that with things like ladders or grilles, abraiding in the direction of the slats/rungs is much less likely to cause distortion, as the slats are not being dragged up and down.
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Post by: hama on July 22, 2017, 10:13:34 PM
This kit looks fantastic and Lucky me, I'll see it all IRL  tomorrow!
See you soon my friend  :-))
Hama
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Post by: carlmt on July 22, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
This kit looks fantastic and Lucky me, I'll see it all IRL  tomorrow!
See you soon my friend  :-))
Hama
Very much looking forward to it  :-)) :-)) :-))  - safe journey up from Londinium.  O0
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Post by: Ianlind on July 23, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
Derrick,


Nickel Silver ( Nickel Bronze ) is solid Ni Bronze, not coated, and does not contain any silver that I am aware of. This is so much better than the previously used Etched Brass, as it has much greater strength for the same dimension. I use .3mm sheet.
The stuff I use is so fine you couldn't rub it with emery or you would destroy the detail


We spray it with etch primer or Automotive etch primer which does the job.


The Locomotive wipers and mirrors I supply in "HO"- 1:87 don't need spraying, as they are a stainless steel appearance like the real thing!


Ian
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Post by: Ianlind on July 23, 2017, 10:09:19 AM
Forgot to add to the last post, that you can actually get Stainless Steel etched as well, if you use the right people. Not something you do at home!
Ian
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Post by: derekwarner on July 23, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
Thanks Ian...I was looking on the wrong side of the coin.....or the wrong page in the book  :embarrassed: and did not realise it was [currently] commercially available in sheet form... "electroless" nickel plating is now an extremely versatile replacement for chromium deposits...... Derek

'Nickel silver first became popular as a base metal for silver-plated cutlery and other silverware, notably the electroplated wares called EPNS (electro-plated nickel silver)'

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Post by: markjames68 on July 24, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
I am one of the eager chaps that bought one of Carls first kits, i was looking for a different project and mine will be completed with very heavy weathering and heli decks ( and seakings) as she was on her return from the Falklands.


i have got all the pics for and fully intend to do a build thread but thought mayhemers might like to see this quick shot of the kit as it stands now in my workshop, im awaiting the etch and 3d bits at the moment but fully expect them to be excellent as i cant praise the fibreglass and plastic parts enough. Its a superb fitting kit compared to some of the more famous manufacturers and the plastic parts build up very well indeed, their length is a little tricky to deal with but nothing a little care in construction wont solve.


If you are looking for a new project or something thats a little different from the run of the mill tugs and warships, this is a great choice.


I have no connection with Carl other than being a very happy customer, will post a full thread as soon as i have some juicy pics of the Falklnds mods to show.
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Post by: Robbie11 on July 24, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
Will be following this one with great interest! If I ever finish my HMS Plymouth this will be my next build and I too intend to fit her out in Falklands guise. Are you intending to use Carl's Falklands fittings (and if so, do you know if these will be launched at the same time as the Norland?)
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Post by: markjames68 on July 24, 2017, 12:55:46 PM
As far as i know, Carl will be producing a falklands add on at some point, i will be scratchbuilding my own as its actually pretty straight  forward, the only tricky bit is the seakings, Carl has given me a resin 96th one that im going to try turn into a vac kit master, hopefully of a quality Carl can use. He told me there would be etched blades and heli deck nets in the add on kit. If anyone has any of the Revell or Tamiya 1/100 sea kings, i would be happy to purchase them...
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Post by: ballastanksian on July 24, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Will be following this one with great interest! If I ever finish my HMS Plymouth this will be my next build and I too intend to fit her out in Falklands guise. Are you intending to use Carl's Falklands fittings (and if so, do you know if these will be launched at the same time as the Norland?)

Amen, this will be an interesting thread to watch Mark  :}
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Post by: Robbie11 on July 26, 2017, 02:52:13 PM
Great video on YouTube, "MV Norland. The Home Coming From The Falklands 1983". Great pictures showing weathering, general detail (2 Para badge on the funnel) etc. Also need to get a 1/96 Chinook for the aft heli deck!! Its a brilliant home movie!!
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Post by: carlmt on August 08, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
As far as i know, Carl will be producing a falklands add on at some point, i will be scratchbuilding my own as its actually pretty straight  forward, the only tricky bit is the seakings, Carl has given me a resin 96th one that im going to try turn into a vac kit master, hopefully of a quality Carl can use. He told me there would be etched blades and heli deck nets in the add on kit. If anyone has any of the Revell or Tamiya 1/100 sea kings, i would be happy to purchase them...

A bit of an update needed methinks!!!
 
Further to Mark's comment above - yes, we will produce a Falklands 'add-on' set however this is going to have to wait a month or two as we are flat-out trying to finalise the basic kit in readiness for the forthcoming show season.  Hand in hand with that task is trying to get the prototype at least to a stage where it might be said to be 'finished'!
For the basic kits, all is now sorted except for the final drafting of the Instruction Book.

In addition to the Falklands add-on, we have had a request to look into the feasibility of producing a 'stretch' kit.  I think that this would be feasible as we have the drawings for the lengthened ship.  I will be talking it through with the fibreglass fabricator tomorrow but we think that it would be possible to produce an 8" length of hull to insert into the standard kit hull.  The modeller would have to accept that some work would need to be done to fair the hull below the waterline where the new part is inserted but, if he or she wants to go to the lengths (sorry for the pun) of stretching an already large model into something even bigger, then that work should not be beyond them.

In the meantime, as said, we are trying to get the prototype finished to a state where it can be displayed - hence I am going boss-eyed drilling and mounting hundreds of stanchions.  Whether they will all be painted in time for the first show time will tell.
 
Here is the state of play this evening:
 
 (http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170808_204015_resized_zpswkfgkiu7.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170808_204032_resized_zps4fv2ita4.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170808_204101_resized_zpsvut6dwyt.jpg)
 
So - the clock is ticking!!!!
 
The first show, where we will have kits of the Norland (and the Free Enterprise V) available for sale will be Haydock Park at the end of the month.  Then in September we will be at the Deans Marine Open Weekend for high jinks and frivolity.  October you can find us at Blackpool and then in November it is Warwick.
 
See you there??  :-)) :-))
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Post by: BFSMP on August 09, 2017, 12:13:27 AM
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MODEL............MAGNIFICO!!!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: dougal99 on August 09, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
I hope you didn't make Flo drill out all those stantions.  :police:
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Post by: carlmt on August 09, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
I hope you didn't make Flo drill out all those stantions.  :police:

He he......... I did!!! And, funnily enough, she said she enjoyed it  %% .  It was only cleaning up the holes with a 0.3 drill to ensure that the wire would pass through.  Most of them probably didn't need it but it kept her out of trouble for a few days  {-) ok2 .
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Post by: carlmt on August 13, 2017, 03:00:57 AM
Burning the 3am oil to get the Norland finished for the Model Boat Convention at Haydock Park - 12 days to go!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170813_024623_resized_zpsn7cv4d5v.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170813_024634_resized_zpsnph1hjrb.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170813_024549_resized_zpshrcajo7o.jpg)
 
Never known a ship have so many railings!!!  %% %% %%
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Post by: dougal99 on August 13, 2017, 08:10:50 AM
Looking really great Carl. How are you going to paint them? Not a job I'd fancy. Get some sleep and  then back at it. Doug
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Post by: hama on August 13, 2017, 08:45:12 AM
Looking really good, I bet the glue-fumes smelled worse than our famous cheese  {-)
I know you're working double overtime to get her finished now, and it will be worth it! I think you will sell loads of this one  :-))
All the best to you and Flo!
Hama
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Post by: carlmt on August 13, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
Looking really good, I bet the glue-fumes smelled worse than our famous cheese  {-)
I know you're working double overtime to get her finished now, and it will be worth it! I think you will sell loads of this one  :-))
All the best to you and Flo!
Hama

Got quite a taste for the camembert now!! There is a particularly ripe one in the fridge at the moment - the girls would love it!!  {-)
Just noticed that you sent me an email a week or so ago - I am so sorry for not having noticed it or responded sooner  :embarrassed: :embarrassed:  - I will reply tomorrow morning.
 
Meantime - the boss of North Sea Ferries is standing at the rail wondering where in hell his lifeboats are!!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170813_174217_resized_zpsxtxoztut.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170813_174232_resized_zpsbhtfeqdh.jpg)
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Post by: ballastanksian on August 13, 2017, 11:34:05 PM
The railings are interesting and well represented Carl. I bet you are glad they are nearly done.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on August 13, 2017, 11:38:03 PM
"Women and children first. Male passengers next. Then the crew. Ferry business executives, bankers, politicians and estate agents might find a pallet to cling to."  %)


Andy
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Post by: carlmt on August 14, 2017, 12:04:32 AM
The railings are interesting and well represented Carl. I bet you are glad they are nearly done.

Not wrong there Ian, but only at 50% at the moment - have the port side to start yet!  This lot need tidying up before painting as you can see.  To be perfectly honest, I am a designer foremost and my modelling skills leave something to be desired, but so long as she is something like presentable, then any potential purchaser can see the potential - and if I can produce a half-decent result then someone with more skills than me will make a cracking job!
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Post by: carlmt on August 14, 2017, 12:05:02 AM
"Women and children first. Male passengers next. Then the crew. Ferry business executives, bankers, politicians and estate agents might find a pallet to cling to."  %)


Andy

Brilliant Andy  {-) {-)
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Post by: colin-stevens on August 14, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
Oh my, Does that look the part or what.
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Post by: carlmt on August 20, 2017, 12:58:36 AM
With just under a week to go until the Haydock show, we are flat-out trying to get the Norland prototype looking somewhere near decent.  I doubt she will be completely finished, but the starboard side should be just about there so that is how she will sit on the stand - starboard side to the viewing public!!!
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170820_004329_zpsjrbedhbg.jpg)
 
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/Norland%20and%20Norstar/20170820_004346_zpssnwopywp.jpg)
 
The Model Boat Convention at Haydock Park is where we will officially launch the new kit and there will be a few available if anyone is interested!  ok2 :-))
C
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Post by: BFSMP on August 20, 2017, 01:29:13 AM
pretty orgasmic, carl............what a beautiful model.............you deserve great success, and I hope it comes your way.
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Post by: ballastanksian on August 20, 2017, 08:49:00 PM
Amen  :-)) Look on the bright side carl, the other side will allow you to show potential customers what the railings are made of and how you did it.
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Post by: hama on August 20, 2017, 09:48:55 PM
Bravo! :-))
Best of luck on the show, I bet it will be a success!
Hama
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Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 17, 2017, 05:51:42 PM
 
Some photos from Deans Marine:  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,59503.msg625902.html#msg625902

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Post by: KitS on June 27, 2018, 09:55:40 PM
I've only just found this thread about the Norland, thanks to your link on the Suilven thread.

Lots of nostalgia for me there, I spent hours aboard the Norland yo-yoing back and forth across the North Sea from Hull to Rotterdam in the late 70s and early 80s. The 'all you can eat' breakfasts and dinners were a high point.  :-) :-))