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Title: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 02, 2011, 07:53:09 pm
After long and careful thought, and succumbing to the salesmanship of No.1 son....I went out today and bought an i-Pad.
Cost at least a months worth of SWIMBOs pension but she didn't seem all that bothered. Wheels within wheels .
However. Talking to people who actually have one of these devices they all said it was all "Intuitive" and any moron could understand the whole thing.
But while I was in the process of actually buying the thing my eye noticed a book titled "The Dummies Guide To The i-Pad". So I bought that as well.
Please tell me just why a book explaining how to use an "intuititive " and so-called simple machine takes a book of over 290 pages to explain.
As you may have noticed, I'm not altogether "computer illiterate"...but now I feel like the moron mentioned earlier.
Next step? Who knows.
Get learning again ,and hope the brain cells can re-generate somehow. BY.

Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: 6705russell on June 02, 2011, 07:57:27 pm
Hi Brian

I am using the iPad, always use it on here, the main issue is logging your iPad with iTunes but it's quite a simple process, you will need do that on another pc though...

Russ
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 08:29:40 pm
I pad= Total Dogs Wholop!

Your opinion noted and the rant removed.

Bob
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: AL 1 on June 02, 2011, 09:14:49 pm
MODERATED

Aggresive or threatening messages against another member are not allowed on the forum.


Brian
Global Moderator
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: 6705russell on June 02, 2011, 09:20:42 pm
I would keep your stupid comments to yourself, might make yourself anti-social.

Russ
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: The long Build on June 02, 2011, 09:24:01 pm
Quote from: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 08:29:40 pm
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Normally i'm the first to buy new gadgets but not this one.... buy an I pad then they bring out an I pad 2... in how long 6 weeks from launching the first... please what a joke, its a big con with this tech! Give it till November and the I pad 3 will be out in time for xmas!   I'll put money on that !!

Ipad 1 launced April 2010
Ipad 2 Launced March 2011   a bit more than six weeks, and I know people who change their car at leats once a year, so I see no problems really..   So you don;t like it  but in 2010 14.8 million worldwide did.. :}
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 02, 2011, 09:27:30 pm
People are entitled to spend their money as they wish. You shouldn't criticise their preferences just because they don't accord with your own.

Colin
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: snowwolflair on June 02, 2011, 09:27:49 pm
He cannot help it, an apple must have fallen on his head as a child. :-)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 09:56:49 pm
if you don't like my opinion that's fine ( i don't really care.) but none the less i can voice it, just accept it instead of getting on ya high horse and biting back because you don't like what i said.

The above comment isn't true, if you cannot express yourself in a less aggressive way you will be moderated further or other sanctions imposed,

Bob



Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: malcolmfrary on June 02, 2011, 10:10:17 pm
What these tablet devices need is a protective cover for when they are not in use, hinged to one edge to stop it getting lost.
Thinking about it, you could fit all, sort of, operating button thingys on the lid, much like a keyboard, and have the screen stand up at the back of it.  Or have I just invented the netbook?

What is intuitive to somebody who has been a computer design frgeek for the last score of years, is almost certainly incomprehensible to a normal person.  297 pages sounds about right for converting geek intuition into human thought.  I remember, many years ago, seeing an engineering handbook about the RS232 signalling protocol.  When you come down to it, that has, basically, three wires, send, receive and earth, with the opportunity for designers to pile a few extras on.  That handbook was almost 100 pages.  It is/was the "serial" port on your old PC that early mice and modems would plug into, when 2400baud was considered as pushing the limits a bit.
Having said that, I have been messing with electronicery since leaving school, and programming a VCR was still a job to pass on to my kids.......
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 02, 2011, 10:16:15 pm
When you buy a new car it comes with a handbook amounting to a couple of hundred pages or more. When you hire one you just get in it and drive it! Handbooks are fine but once you have read them you rarely need to consult them again.

I have an iPhone 4 which I like very much but it has lots of facilities on it that I don't need but other people may find essential. You just pick out the bits you need and disregard the rest. The documentation is there as a reference.

Colin
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: snowwolflair on June 02, 2011, 10:20:23 pm
I store +18,000 photos and 200+ ship plans on mine along with hundreds of pdf files of drawings including the entire Jecobin X drawings set.

Its great in the workshop any drawing any photo any ship any size in seconds.  You dont even have to wait for a hard disk to spin up. :-))
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 02, 2011, 10:52:14 pm
Oh dear. I had no idea that such a simple post could lead to such a lot of "blue print". I'm sure that the "machine" I've bought is a very capable bit of stuff (should be at the prices charged), but all I was trying to get across was that what seems to be intuitive to some is a pain in the tripes to others. So far I've learned how to charge up the battery....so progress of a sort I suppose! BY.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 02, 2011, 11:11:33 pm
Just enjoy the thing Bryan, if nothing else it is a mental challenge and I'm sure you will find a practical use for it. If we didn't try these things our brains would atrophy!

I have got a wonderful App for my iPhone (which I imagine will also run on the iPad) whereby you can hold it up to the night sky and it will display the stars and celestial objects you are looking at and give you all sorts of information about them. Magic! It uses GPS to work out where you are and an internal gyro type mechanism to establish the orientation of the device.

Just what you needed in the RFA when the weather was overcast and you hadn't had a fix for days!

Colin
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 11:30:46 pm
Post moderated - you have been warned...twice.

Peter.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 02, 2011, 11:42:06 pm
RR,
Thank you for the compliment.
Your opinion has been left, your rant has not.
Your rant was always going to get a response, which it did and was moderated.
I have been through your Komet build log, the rants are a bit boring, but it is mostly factual so was left.
I always enjoy reading your posts, you really do give me a chuckle.
You have been on Mayhem to know the ethos, your rant was beyond what is acceptable.
I am not going to get in a discussion with you about past or future posts, or anything else, ok2 but be assured I will be reading yours with interest to ensure that I get my daily chuckle.

 ;)

Bob
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 11:48:55 pm
lol top man least i make some one happy  :-))
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: DickyD on June 03, 2011, 01:51:42 am
Quote from: Roadrunner on June 02, 2011, 11:48:55 pm
lol top man least i make some one happy  :-))

Are you really that naive  ?
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Trooper63 on June 03, 2011, 02:26:23 am
I have an iPad 1, and use it at work.  I was always reluctant to buy one, as I'm not an apple fan, but I fully admit that I would be somewhat lost without it now.

I'm a master IV and the apps which are available are excellent.  From navigational programs to study guides, you need it then it is here.

I also do training and assessment, and I can records the tracks of assessments and send them to anyone else for training or records.

They are amazing.  Oh, I have an "otter box" case for it, making it rugged, and for the small boats a waterproof envelope with clear front.

Keep at it sir, you will grow with it.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on June 03, 2011, 03:11:14 am
What can I say but that I don't have one and don't want one, nor do I have a Mobile phone, but am surviving well no ringing at the movies etc.
Ah the bliss of it all.
 %) %) %) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 03, 2011, 07:07:59 am

I've briefly use these I-pads and must admit, I was very impressed with the concept, speed and ease of use.

 Cons: Way, way over priced, no 'Flash' content, seem very susceptible to damage and i think you will still need
 another laptop, PC or Mac for other stuff it can't do ....

Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 03, 2011, 09:04:27 am
Quote from: DickyD on June 03, 2011, 01:51:42 am
Are you really that naive  ?

~Ever heard of sarcasm Dicky~ try writing something constructive for a change instead of getting on my case with nearly every post i type.  O0
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: TugCowboy on June 03, 2011, 11:00:21 am
I've recently got an iPad2 and I take it everywhere with me! the Mrs got me a lovely Carbon Fibre case for it too, so its not going to get damaged. The battery life is brilliant and it makes a great sat nav, I use it for paperwork and as others have said its wonderful for use in the "workshop" so easy to load up a plan, zoom, drag it around etc and anyone could use it.

Very handy for making sketches, annotating photos etc.

Amusingly, I saw at least 2 other people at Wicksteed using iPads, and all were using them to check Mayhem ;)

Alex
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 03, 2011, 11:26:31 am
Quote from: Colin Bishop on June 02, 2011, 11:11:33 pm
Just enjoy the thing Bryan, if nothing else it is a mental challenge and I'm sure you will find a practical use for it. If we didn't try these things our brains would atrophy!

I have got a wonderful App for my iPhone (which I imagine will also run on the iPad) whereby you can hold it up to the night sky and it will display the stars and celestial objects you are looking at and give you all sorts of information about them. Magic! It uses GPS to work out where you are and an internal gyro type mechanism to establish the orientation of the device.

Just what you needed in the RFA when the weather was overcast and you hadn't had a fix for days!

Colin
The only times we had navigational problems was when a war canoe was in charge! Bryan.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: DickyD on June 03, 2011, 11:28:01 am
Quote from: Roadrunner on June 03, 2011, 09:04:27 am
~Ever heard of sarcasm Dicky~ try writing something constructive for a change instead of getting on my case with nearly every post i type.  O0
I could not write anywhere near the amount of postings you do, I have other things to keep me busy.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tigertiger on June 04, 2011, 03:22:49 pm
One of the airlines, I think Alasakan, has just issued its pilots with ipads.

All the charts and flight plans can weigh in at over 25 lbs (about 12kg). These also need to be produced at a printer.

The ipads will hold all of this information, weigh less (occupational health benefits) and cost less to produce and maintain.

The ipads will not be loaded with games.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: essex2visuvesi on June 04, 2011, 03:48:31 pm
Quote from: tigertiger on June 04, 2011, 03:22:49 pm
One of the airlines, I think Alasakan, has just issued its pilots with ipads.

All the charts and flight plans can weigh in at over 25 lbs (about 12kg). These also need to be produced at a printer.

The ipads will hold all of this information, weigh less (occupational health benefits) and cost less to produce and maintain.

The ipads will not be loaded with games.

I hope they know at below 0degC the screen becomes erratic and can suffer total failiure.  Same goes for the iPhone.

There was a lot of problems with them here in Finland over the winter.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: sunworksco on June 04, 2011, 04:45:56 pm
I have an iPhone with iPhly for rc aircraft.
I am also building a carbon fiber case and installing my Robbe F-14 radio parts into the case with the twin and single sticks on the face. I am then installing the iPad in the middle of the case with the Spektrum telemetry http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Technology/telemetry.aspx
The Robbe F-14 will have 75MHz and also 2.4GHz TX modules.
It will have unlimited rc model memory and enabled to send data and images/videos anytime anywhere.
I am using a Wi-Fi only (no 3G internet) iPad and a Virgin/Sprint Mi-Fi puck. http://www.virginmobileusa.com/mobile-broadband/mifi-2200.html?cid=DaV_ppc_go_mifiV_b_virgin+mifi
Sounds crazy but this will be the future of rc.
Regards,
Giovanni
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on June 04, 2011, 11:01:23 pm
Just a thought, where is the advantage in not being able to see all of the picture.
The example of pilot maps has weight saving advantages but does not allow the user to view the full map, showing what is between point A to B, or even beyond and around the points of interest.
There is an advantage if the selected map course is loaded into the i-pad, but unforseens could alter the course, without the full information around you at a glance, hey  presto big problem, also shipping charts come to mind.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: TugCowboy on June 05, 2011, 09:18:50 am
As a bit of a flyer myself, and with many pilot friends, its something that's come up often.

An airline wouldn't put in such functionality without thinking about it. There is currently an app by Jeppesen which is great for approach plates and should you need to change plate fast, for whatever reason, then its far easier to do so with the iPad than with a load of maps. A couple of flicks of the finger, or a few keystrokes is all thats needed. Not Finding out the right book/wallet and then flicking through till you find the right one which has probably been put back in the wrong place anyway.

Correctly applied, good technology like the iPad increases functionality, not removes it!
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: essex2visuvesi on June 05, 2011, 09:53:32 am
Quote from: TugCowboy on June 05, 2011, 09:18:50 am

Correctly applied, good technology like the iPad increases functionality, not removes it!

Untill the battery runs flat :)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 05, 2011, 05:37:17 pm
Can an iPad be powered (and used) only by using the charging cable? Handy for indoor use....save the battery for use elsewhere. BY
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: bikerdude666 on June 05, 2011, 11:40:57 pm
Should be ok, I leave my iPhone plugged in all day and use it only unplug it when I go to work at night, then straight back on charge in the morning.

Not sure what battery is in it though, if it's the same as my MacBook pro I wouldn't leave it charging all the time as this bu66ered my laptop battery and now only works on mains (new 1 costs around £100)

But I think they use the same type of battery as the iPhone and as such should be fine.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: AlisterL on June 06, 2011, 01:14:47 am
Hi Brian,

yes the iPad can be run from the charger and still charge the batteries too. I have to say I haven't done this and still used either the 3G or WiFi at the same time however.

FYI and for those who don't like the look of the iPad but want a pad/tablet, I've had an Acer Iconia A500 from work for a couple of weeks now. Similar price to the iPad but runs Android 3. It's a very nice device too. Other options would be the Asus Transformer - I think that's the name. One thing to look for is that they have Android 3.x on them and not 2.X... 2.X is for phones, 3.X for tablets...
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tigertiger on June 06, 2011, 04:33:27 am
My daughter the geek has taken her battery out of her laptop and only runs it on the mains/charger cable.

The reason for removing the battery is that there are only a finite number of charges before the battery starts to degrade. According to her sources. And so by removing the battery this problem is removed. It also makes for lighter transportation.

I would assume that the ipad also has a removable/exchangeable battery.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: AlisterL on June 06, 2011, 06:33:39 am
The batteries in any of the i* stuff are not supposed to be removed by anyone other than Apple staff when they do a refurbishment I believe. Opening the case will void the warranty in short order. Despite that, kits assisting this procedure are easily found. The batteries are lithium something, so do have limited cycles like any of that type. On the other hand, I have an iPhone 3GS that is now over two years old and is still going strong - not that I use it anymore it has been replaced by other things :)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 07, 2011, 04:44:00 pm
Sorry to keep asking about this most frustrating of machines!. Put it down to being yet another "age thingy".
Is there any way data (print, pictures etc.) can be transferred/copied from the desk-top PC (non-Mac) to the iPad? I've got the "iPad for Dummies" book, but haven't found a solution as yet......if there is one. Sorry for all the palavar, although the way the thread has progressed has been very informative. Bryan Y.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tigertiger on June 07, 2011, 04:52:08 pm
Yes, there is software that converts it.
Not sure what, but I think modern macs have it built in. Maybe not ipads.
Some of it may be downloadable as freeware/shareware.

but yes, it can be done
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: dreadnought72 on June 07, 2011, 05:10:26 pm
If both PC and iPad are connected to the internet, you might find it easiest to email yourself documents/attachments, and "save as" (or whatever Macs do) at the receiving end.

I once had to move files from a PC to a Mac 2metres away via a server in the US and two trips across the Atlantic. Annoying, but it worked and was the quickest way to get the job done.

Andy
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Dekan on June 07, 2011, 05:24:12 pm
Roadrunner... It's very hard to post anything critical about Apple products, as their supporters/thought police are ever vigilant to nip such heresy in the bud.. :police:
How do you tell people that a lot of Apple's product are mostly smoke and mirrors...Very little innovation... lots of marketing :o
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: bikerdude666 on June 07, 2011, 06:19:24 pm
I'm not sure about pics to an iPad from a pc, if theres a pc version of iphoto then it's incredibly easy, but I don't know.

You can do it direct from a digital camera to iPad if you get the right adapter, available on the apple online store.

Btw I was 1 of the biggest critics of the iPad when it came out, didn't see the point, drawbacks of an iPhone with the drawbacks of a Netbook... Now I've used 1 and have to say am considering getting 1. I jump to apple defence when people moan that apple won't let you illegally share files, there's a key word there, 'illegally'...
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: sunworksco on June 07, 2011, 07:47:14 pm
I just bought an iPad 2 and I'm amazed at all the incredible things it can do, like point it at a plant and it will identify it!
Point it at the night sky and it will identify the star system. Amazing!
Regards,
Giovanni
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on June 07, 2011, 10:22:24 pm
Quote from: sunworksco on June 07, 2011, 07:47:14 pm
I just bought an iPad 2 and I'm amazed at all the incredible things it can do, like point it at a plant and it will identify it!
Point it at the night sky and it will identify the star system. Amazing!
Regards,
Giovanni
Recall reading somewhere a long time ago, that there was something called 'Homo Sapiens', that could do the same, plus much much more.  ;) ;) :-)) :-)) %) %) %)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 11:44:03 am
Quote from: RaaArtyGunner on June 07, 2011, 10:22:24 pm
Recall reading somewhere a long time ago, that there was something called 'Homo Sapiens', that could do the same, plus much much more.  ;) ;) :-)) :-)) %) %) %)

Think many forget its not really the computer that is identifying the objects its just searching the web for similar images until its gets a hit.... but its all come from real people who know these things who have spent the time uploading images and accurate descriptions and such.

Its just a lazy. Sorry but i will never buy into it, i have yet to see these things help me in a way that's useful that i can't do off my own back with a little bit of effort, besides you learn more when you search rather than just have a simple answer throw at you...

Of all the technology in the world you would think they would put i to better use then proving the masses with another reason to be lazy, anti social & addicted to a battery powered gadget that really doesn't do any good in the long run, its just a gimic to make money, same as the banks and there over draft charges and such rubbish.. where's all that cash go? in big wigs pockets to drive nice fancy Z class Mercs or some 50 bedroom mansions for a family of 4 and not spent on helping out poor countries to pull them out of the poverty trap, which is half the reason the worlds in a state right now.....

When i end up in a retirement home ( swear my kids will put me there!) i dread to think of all the people in there with me trying to use'' I watches'' or some rubbish with crippling arthritis, partial sightedness, god knows what mental damage it will do if a 80 year old cant get there fix of Facebook or twitter it will most likely be a cause for a heart attack!

Your status on facebook '' WoW currently having a heart attack cos I can't log into twitter'..............................

Sure you all guessed I don't like the Ipad, huh!

When someone shows me how its a real NEED to the world and it can change things for the better... then i might start coming round a bit but doubt that will never happen in my life time!


Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: philk on June 08, 2011, 01:10:03 pm
i have to admit i tend to agree with rr above

gadget that does some a few things well but not really necessary and does nothing that can't be done better by other cheaper options.

when you look at the technology inside it it's about twice the price it should be but thats apple all over


Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tigertiger on June 08, 2011, 01:20:02 pm
Technology can be your master or your servant, you can choose.

But 100 years ago there were those who refused to use the telephone.

I also read an old story about a man who refused to use a car, or bus. c. 1940s, he said he could walk everywhere he needed to go. As time progressed his kids moved to another state. He gradually lost touch with his family.

I dislike computers, but I am here ain't I.  %)
I have not choice about facebook or twitter, both are blocked in China. But I do rely on skype for video calls with our daughter in UK.

I could use a road atlas, but I find the GPS is more convenient when driving, as you can't check a road map in the middle of a one way system in Manchester.

I used to think that electric windows were a foolish luxury, until I tried to drive a RH drive through border controls on the continent and had to pass my passport through the window, on the opposite side of the car.

I used to think that mobile phones and email was for posers and geeks. Now most people find them essential, even for domestic and family use.

I used to think nobody needed a car bigger than 1.3L until I regularly did long journeys.

I could go on and on and on and on..................................................... %) %) %) %) %) %)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: stubbsy on June 08, 2011, 01:56:40 pm
I hear Apple are bring out a new gadget next year, don't to much details but they are calling it the i-pen.  %% {-)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: pugwash on June 08, 2011, 02:36:59 pm
and for those into self flagulation there will be the i-lash

Geoff
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: malcolmfrary on June 08, 2011, 03:16:58 pm
Quote from: sunworksco on June 07, 2011, 07:47:14 pm
I just bought an iPad 2 and I'm amazed at all the incredible things it can do, like point it at a plant and it will identify it!
Point it at the night sky and it will identify the star system. Amazing!
Regards,
Giovanni
A truly wondrous device for doing things that never needed doing before it was available.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 03:17:25 pm
Quote from: pugwash on June 08, 2011, 02:36:59 pm
and for those into self flagulation there will be the i-lash

Geoff

lol people into that!?
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on June 08, 2011, 03:27:47 pm
Quote from: pugwash on June 08, 2011, 02:36:59 pm
and for those into self flagulation there will be the i-lash

Geoff

was that the one made for Max the lash Mosley
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: essex2visuvesi on June 08, 2011, 04:29:14 pm
The new apple product aimed at children has been shelved as market researchers concluded the "i-Touch Kids" would not sell well
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 08, 2011, 04:39:41 pm
Now seriously thinking that I should never have asked what I thought was a simple question. Some answers very amusing. Some somewhat dismissive. But until you've actually tried the device then the "no-sayers" are really just blowing in the wind.
With 65gb to play with......as soon as I learn how to store all my modelling "stuff" in the gizmo (presently stored on CDs) I may just begin to make some inroads into reducing the "clutter" and re-locate the CDs into the loft.
I'm not sure (to say the least) about storing "stuff" in some sort of ephemeral "cloud" (sounds a bit "Nebulous" to me).
I also quite like e-books....but I don't like not being able to pass a finished book to someone else. Second-hand bookstores are "lifesavers" for many people for all sorts of reasons. I'd hate to see e-books kill off that market. Having said that, I didn't buy "the machine" just for myself. For various reasons (boredom, too much heat, too much bright light, airports etc) nowadays I "stay at home" and let SWMBO and her sister gallivant to furrin parts. The e-book is of great benefit to travellers.
All in all, I'm still a bit ambivalent. Bryan Y.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 04:48:54 pm
In regards to backing up stuff on an ipad and consigning all of it to the loft i think that's not such a good idea.

 I have a laptop and a desktop both with 250 gig hd's and i back up everything on DVD/CD you never know when something might fail, HD etc, Ipads can also be hacked and obtain viruses believe it or not! Its always worth backing up your stuff and keeping it handy just in case.
I pads have not been out long enough to find how long there lives are... would you trust sending it off for repair hd, screen, battery and loose all that info stored on it with no back up for things you no longer have, it takes a lot of trust and i'm not that trusting (besides i can fix my own pc when it goes wrong cant fix an Ipad without voiding warranty)

Store what you like on there by all means just make sure you keep up to date with backing up things  :-))
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: jimmy2310 on June 08, 2011, 06:10:02 pm
I've just bought the wife the latest gizmo from Argos its called an iRON, oops I'm in trouble she's reading over my shoulder.

Jimmy
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 06:17:16 pm
What century do you live in ~Irons have been around since before I was born! but here's some encouragement for the Mrs...



Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: snowwolflair on June 08, 2011, 06:18:41 pm
What this thread needs is a C-iYOTE
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 06:30:59 pm
Yeah always one step behind,(reminds me of Microsoft)  everyone know the Roadrunner outsmarts the coyote {-) O0 Beep Beep  {-)
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Netleyned on June 08, 2011, 06:40:59 pm
Sad lack of coyotes in oggieland
must feel safe there RR

Ned
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 08, 2011, 06:52:02 pm
Don't worry Karma will get me in the end.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: omra85 on June 08, 2011, 11:01:30 pm
I thought "if Bryan can do it - so can I", so off I went to buy myself one of these new gadgets.
Entering the computer shop, I  asked the large guy with the pony tail for an I-pad.
He sneered and said "we don't sell Macs".
"That's ok" says I, "I've got an umberella anyway - but I still want an I-pad".
With that, he leaned over the counter, right up close, peered into my eyes and said "yes, they do look a bit bloodshot, try next door"
Well the shop next door appeared to be a chemists as well - I suppose small businesses HAVE to diversify nowadays). There was a girl behind the counter, and (in my sexist way) I thought I might have "difficulty" explaining what I wanted!
But no! As soon as I mentioned the word "I-pad", she winked and shot off upstairs.
In no time at all she was back, and sold me the I-pad which came in a large box and was already wrapped (in plain brown paper for some reason??).  It was dirt cheap! To be honest I was expecting to pay more than £12.99 for it, but I wasn't going to quibble.
Anyway, I'm home now and am unpacking it.  It must be very small, as I can't find it in the box - just the packing which seems to be packets of extremely large nappies!
What do these I-pads actually look like? (and what is incontinence? - American for a worldwide guarantee perhaps??)

Cheers
Danny
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: AlisterL on June 09, 2011, 12:32:28 am
Bryan,

the iPad can print to a wifi printer that is running something called Airprint. Many of the cheap wifi capable printers available these days support this.
As for syncing stuff from iPad to PC and vice versa, there are a number of apps available in the app store that do this over WiFi. Almost all require some software installed on the PC that can talk back to the ipad when you ask it to do things. I have never tried any of these personally, so I can't recommend one and I can't tell you if you might have to pay for one either.
On the other hand, iTunes will sync photos and stuff to and from the iPad and PC when you connect the two with the USB cable and if you let iTunes manage your photos.
Or you have a GMail account and set that up on the ipad, you can sync notes and stuff between GMail and the iPad.
Additionally, when you connect your iPad to your PC, in iTunes when you select your ipad in the sidebar of the left and then choose the Apps menu item in the main screen, this will list all the apps installed that will transfer files between the iPad and the computer.

HTH...

Alister.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 09, 2011, 05:20:00 pm
Alistaire.....thanks for your response. Now all I have to do is sit down, break into chunks and let the little grey cells work on it. Sheesh. And all this is supposed to be "intuitive"....maybe I've just lost my intuition!
Actually (in real life), this morning I took the infernal machine back to whence it came and sort of explained that I didn't understand why the recommended "upgrade" had taken 5 hours (!) to download, and then proceeded to "freeze" the whole damn thing. Nor did I understand why (after "syncing"...more than once), why I kept getting the statement that "No Internet Connection Is Available"...even though I was on the Internet when that message came through!
"They" (the "Boffins") found that they had the same problems as I was having. Great sighs of relief from yours truly.
"Never had this before, sir. This is the first time we've had one of these returned" (Really?). Now all I have to do is wait for anything between 24 hours and 8 weeks (eh?) for a replacement. Then no doubt the saga will re-commence!
All a bit like the old nursery-rhyme...."When she's good she's very good....but when she's bad she's friggin awful"
A "life changing experience"? You betcha, but not the sort I anticipated. BY.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 09, 2011, 05:42:49 pm
lol, Word's I told you so are coming !

Surely though since it was returned because its not working correctly they should have just exchanged it then and there rather then making you wait for god knows how long, normally you get a minimum of 30 days on fault products for instant replacements, over that, then the 1 year guarantee kicks in for repairs.

Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 09, 2011, 06:53:56 pm
Quote from: Bell Boat Racing on June 08, 2011, 11:01:30 pm
I thought "if Bryan can do it - so can I", so off I went to buy myself one of these new gadgets.
Entering the computer shop, I  asked the large guy with the pony tail for an I-pad.
He sneered and said "we don't sell Macs".
"That's ok" says I, "I've got an umberella anyway - but I still want an I-pad".
With that, he leaned over the counter, right up close, peered into my eyes and said "yes, they do look a bit bloodshot, try next door"
Well the shop next door appeared to be a chemists as well - I suppose small businesses HAVE to diversify nowadays). There was a girl behind the counter, and (in my sexist way) I thought I might have "difficulty" explaining what I wanted!
But no! As soon as I mentioned the word "I-pad", she winked and shot off upstairs.
In no time at all she was back, and sold me the I-pad which came in a large box and was already wrapped (in plain brown paper for some reason??).  It was dirt cheap! To be honest I was expecting to pay more than £12.99 for it, but I wasn't going to quibble.
Anyway, I'm home now and am unpacking it.  It must be very small, as I can't find it in the box - just the packing which seems to be packets of extremely large nappies!
What do these I-pads actually look like? (and what is incontinence? - American for a worldwide guarantee perhaps??)

Cheers
Danny

At the moment I reckon that a supply of "Pampers" may have been more appropriate. Bryan.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: bbdave on June 09, 2011, 07:20:49 pm
Bryan the "sales of goods act" states they have to supply a replacement or a full re-fund if it don't do what it says on the box.


I'm thinking of getting one at the moment but not sure how it'll differ from the laptop.
Do they have a usb port?

Dave
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 09, 2011, 10:55:28 pm
Quote from: bbdave on June 09, 2011, 07:20:49 pm
Bryan the "sales of goods act" states they have to supply a replacement or a full re-fund if it don't do what it says on the box.


I'm thinking of getting one at the moment but not sure how it'll differ from the laptop.
Do they have a usb port?

Dave
No. But therein lies a problem. Hence my request about downloading CDs/programmes etc. from a PC to an iPad. BY.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: john s 2 on June 10, 2011, 12:20:33 am
Possibly im wrong. But I thought that under an EU directive all electrical Goods have to have a two year
warrenty which most manufactures pretend is not correct. Can anyone confirm please? . John
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: The long Build on June 10, 2011, 12:45:34 am
I thought it was only 1 year but there is something about reasonable expected life or something
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 10, 2011, 01:00:06 am
All items sold in the uk are subject to 1 year minimum manufacturer warranty.

Items that are electrical are not always subject to the 30 day money back guarantee, they usually fall in as REPLACEMENTS and REPAIRS only.

24 month warranty's are a myth on most common items, Hence why this gadget insurance rubbish is put out so much! 

BY.Your entitled to a new Ipad (new in a box not a fix on the one you have since its less then 30 days old!) not a refund by law mate, Repairs should only be issues on Items Older then 28 day's from purchase date, anything within that time frame should be REPLACEMENTS only.

Not sure? check trading standards i did  :-))
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: bikerdude666 on June 10, 2011, 07:36:53 am
May be wrong but I believe since the Japan quake there's a shortage of screens etc, so stocks are primarily sent out to apple shops and even they are in short supply, from his post I'd say BY is getting a new replacement but they had none in stock and were just unsure how long it will be til they can get 1 in.

Like I say probably wrong but possible, where did you buy it from BY?
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: TugCowboy on June 10, 2011, 09:06:17 am
Never take it back to the shop you got it from unless its an Apple store.

Apple has a brilliant policy of every customer getting one additional "free" no questions asked, swap to cover accidental damage or out of warranty stuff. In addition if you book an appointment with them, they will also normally guarantee any fixes within a few hours.

I've never had anything but instantaneous service from Apple.

Got a brand new keyboard and screen for my Macbook even though it was a year out of warranty. Fitted within 2 hours while I had a wander round the shops.

They don't fit with my love of Open Source, but as an ease of use item I find everything Apple way above all the mainstream stuff Microsoft put out!
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: philk on June 10, 2011, 10:15:40 am
re:May be wrong but I believe since the Japan quake there's a shortage of screens etc, so stocks are primarily sent out to apple shops and even they are in short supply, from his post I'd say BY is getting a new replacement but they had none in stock and were just unsure how long it will be til they can get 1 in.


i think the delay is due to the dust inspired explosion at the foxconn factory that makes these they say it will cause no delay but there chinese businessmen and rarely tell the truth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13476800


***Edit, color change. The beige was tool light to see against grey background. Brown should be OK***
TT
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on June 10, 2011, 12:31:44 pm
A lot of assumptions among the last few posts....mostly correct. Delivery delays being the main cause. Even our "local" (Metrocentre) apple store haven't got any. Secondly, I decided to get a different model rather than a refurbished one or a direct replacement (delivery for the latter would still be "iffy"). So, like everyone else, I'll just have to wait awhile. No real hardship....after all, the sale of my ship moulds paid for it in the first place! BY.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on June 10, 2011, 10:46:11 pm
Just came across this bit of information, probably not relevant to current problem   O0 O0
Might have too look into it further.  %) %) %)



Bought my son an i-Pad,

my daughter an i-Pod.


 The wife got me an i-Phone and I got her an i-Ron.


She wasn't overjoyed even after I explained it can be integrated with


 the i-Wash,

 i-Cook,

i-Clean network.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tobyker on June 13, 2011, 10:39:42 am
I'm wondering about going portable. I'd thought hard about the Cambridge Sciences tablet until we were advised to wait for Android 3. How long will it take for Android 3 tablets to get more affordable? Or is the best thing to jump in now at the level I can afford because otherwise you are always waiting for the next upgrade when you could be learning? I like the idea of the GPS and being able to google and read the e-mails on the move. I don't want to pay £400 and would be happier paying half that.

The annoying thing is that the techies can get organised quicker than the luddites!
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 13, 2011, 12:42:22 pm
you want my advice? no well i'll give it anyway ...


WAIT! don't buy one of these for a while yet. Let the market settle, there's now 8 different pallet pc's out at present, let the technology work out the bugs, that means life span of battery's etc. None of these have been out long enough to say how long their life span is. there is also the fact that 3d screens (no glasses) are in production (nintendo ds started that) which will no doubt be implemented into the next generation of pallets so yours will be out of date in seconds, and that's just the start of the what's up and coming.

If you want a small portable computer buy a HP 14" pallet laptop! its a full computer and has the functions of touch screen added (where you think apple stole the idea from in the first place?!) the screen can rotate 360 and lay flat so its like an ipad or whatever, but you have that extra ability of cd/dvd drive. decent hds (500gig +, mine has 1 tera bite! can''t see and ipad with more the 64gig lol), decent net functions, and no 'purchasing apps'.

There are to many products out there that top the ipad just a lot seam to be stuck and can't see this is just a gimic to part with cash. Remember the ipads and other handheld systems still require a computer to do a lot of jobs (upload programs, films music. etc etc etc.) your just better off buying a proper computer which i have no doubt will last longer!


Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tobyker on June 13, 2011, 02:02:57 pm
Thanks, rr, though your advice may be a counsel of perfection. I've got a desktop, and I'm not looking for computer power - just something inexpensive and portable. GPS thrown in would be handy for bike rides, and I'd like e-mail/the web away from home. The HP 14" does seem a bit ott and expensive for what I want. For example, I ride a Royal Enfield, not a ZZR1400 or R1, if you get my drift.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Roadrunner on June 13, 2011, 02:19:01 pm
If you just need a gps/sat nav system what about the 'tom tom' go , or similar many of those now incorporate functions similar to the ipad, net functions, radio,mp3,  tv in some! They are usually around the 6" square mark, prices from £50- £400!

Contracted ones tend to be cheaper to buy but even there packages are not unreasonable. The chairman of our club has a built in system to the dashboard, its got pc functions, radio, mp3,mp4  cd control, built in phone, sat nav and a bunch of other pointless gadgets when your driving, all touch screen and voice controlled.

There are Aslo many 'smart phones' out there that incorporate gps/sat nav and have the functions of a micro pc. The Iphone 4 ( although i hate it) the Android series, sony erricson, Windows Phone, HTC  Nokia, Samsung, Motorola to name a few, out there that will do all the jobs you require. ( remember smart phone not 'camera' phone) phones on paygo, from £150- £350 ish contract on the decent smart phones free to £100+ the month contract which for those types of phone are in the £40-£80pm mark.

Told you i was a tecky  :P There are many gadgets out there that can do particular jobs, but i doubt you could get away with using a sat nav setup ipad on a bike or in a car without getting pulled over by the plod brigade!  :police:
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: tobyker on July 05, 2011, 09:19:24 pm
Pushbike rides - so I can find the fastest way home if I get lost - though I can read a map, but it won't have any speed info. I'm wondering about the Jextab delux which will apparently be upgradeable to 3. Trouble is I also like the 11.6" screen Acer net/lap thing- though I don't really want a laptop  after all I've got the desktop to work on. Ho hum it's all very perplexing.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: Bryan Young on July 11, 2011, 04:37:24 pm
Now that I've got my iPad up and running (nearly 3 days of frustration) and slowly getting to grips with the things capabilities (magic) I have yet another question.
Is there a device that will enable me to increase the range of the (Belkin) router? I, in my ignorance, sort of assumed that a form of signal amplifier would be commonly available. Apparently not so. I don't need much more distance....perhaps 20ft or so, to allow the pad to be used within a detached workshop/garage. Any thoughts? BY.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: riggers24 on July 11, 2011, 04:51:20 pm
Bryan,

Are you with virgin media? If you are go on to there website and you can get a free router. I have just recieved mine and it has improved the range no end.
Title: Re: i-pads
Post by: treeboa on July 12, 2011, 08:29:53 am
after using an ipad of the mates, looking at the cost of the app`s, seeing just how invaluable a tool it would be in my life i went totally sideways and purchased a samsung galaxy tab, i now have a device that does for me exactly what the ipad would personally give me, it does however have access to the android market where a lot of ` apps` are free of charge, not only that but it does something the `i-blab` cant do not even the new updated one - its capable of making and recieving telephone calls, sending texts and mms`s, it has flash, it was still a damn sight cheaper than a second hand `ipad`, it has wifi, it has gps and gprs, it even plays `i tunes`  music  {-), so im out fishing with the mate, im chatting to him about a fishing tackle deal i had just seen on the web and showed it him on the tab when suddenly the call tone goes, its my partner lilyann, asking if the mates with me as his wife s trying to ring him, hes gobsmacked because his `matching` i phone is flat and on charge in the car, the call has come in seamlessly with the web browsing, no ipad can do this, yes they can use instant messenger, thats assuming the data connection is good, but his has not been set up for messenger, so hes blapping about the memory his pad has, my tabs got 64gb as well, hes muttering about some barcode scanner thing, so i shows him the one on my tab, he started blabbering about the pdf reader on his, so i sent him some pdf docs i have been reading on the tab about e boats and while i was at it an ebook which i have been reading off and on for a month, so he then starts bemoaning the iphone and the cost, only to be totally urinated off when i tell him as my contract was up i had just replaced it again with o2, with that i got the galaxy s which does near all the tab will do albeit a smaller screen, im now paying less monthly than i was previously and i have a spare mini tab/phone - just means shifting the sim across, seems his son is getting the `i-doorstop` for uni and hes off to get himself a tab on contract, he is flogging his `i always dead phone` which is on o2 same as me and putting the sim into the new tab, best part, if i need to i can take my big laptop away with me and tether the tab or the galaxy s to it and access the web via that rather than have a seperate `dongle`
end the day its horses for courses, the ipad offers a lot of expensive apps/functions i will never ever use and from what i have seen and read few other people will use either