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Title: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 07, 2011, 12:11:12 PM
Just started to assemble this Amati Riva Aquarama. It's the first time I have built a model boat so I expect there will be mistakes along the way.

I decided to go with brushless motors as I have used these in some of my model aircraft in the past as they have immense power for there size and weight.
Decided on a pair of Turnigey 540L inrunners with water jackets and 2  70amp esc's, watercooled with reverse.
The power is going to be 2x 2cell LiPo's  30C  5500 mah.
What attracted me to the 540L was the fact that they have internal cooling fans, which must add to the cooling.
May also add a fan assisted extraction system to the engine bay as this appears to be a close compartment.

Anyway chaps and chapesses here are some picts to look at and by the way please chip in with any suggestions and help and if you see that I am making monumental errors
please let me know as I'm sure there will be some.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 07, 2011, 12:18:30 PM
Will have to reduce the resolution on my camera as it's not possible to post more than a couple of photos per post.

Sorry.
Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Timo2 on August 07, 2011, 12:40:26 PM
Hi mike

  Ref Motor   Look good lots of power not over revving  :-)  but i think it;s a 3cell pack supply  ok2

  Try Photo Re-sizer :-       VSO Image Resizer

  Timo2
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 07, 2011, 12:58:37 PM
Hi Timo.
You are correct, the batteries that I have ordered are indeed 3 cell, my mistake.

Thanks for the info.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 07, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
A few more photos, thanks to Timo.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on August 07, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
this is going tio be a nice boat. I noticed the picture of the cooling jacket if you use this in conjunction with the fans inside the motors you wont need to but an extracter fan in the engine compartment. plus you can run the cooling to the esc's. advatage with water cooling is its needs no motors to operate so no additional loads on batteries. And a fan is just a way another way of getting water inside your boat.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 08, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
Did a little more on the boat yesterday, mostly bow and transom sections.
The majority of the build has been with super glue and activator, the good quality ply seems to quite like it.
Just a couple more photos showing this.
The laser cutting of the ply and hardwood is quite superb

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 13, 2011, 03:05:30 PM
Did a little bit more to the model today, started to add the mahogany fwd cabin sides and the cockpit sides.
Am starting to get a little concerned about the amount of space available to hide the electrics. Don't have the motors, esc's or batteries yet
so maybe save the worrying for later.
The parts fit of the the kit is really quite good providing all of the frames are installed perfectly square and upright. Will have to make my own rudders
and posts as the commercially available ones are totally the wrong shape but that should be quite an easy job.
Anyway here are a few more photos of the build so far.

Mike

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 13, 2011, 03:07:49 PM
More pics.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 13, 2011, 04:00:59 PM

One comment Mike, have you tested the strength of one of the joints yet? I only say that as the burnt ash edges
produced by the laser cutting surface? On my Bismarck ( half build  <:( )  didn't take the glue too well I would
suggest you go round all joints again with a tick superglue to 'fillet' all the joints for extra strength.

 What do other Mayhemers think?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: CF-FZG on August 13, 2011, 04:32:03 PM
  Ref Motor   Look good lots of power not over revving  :-) 

35,000rpm is not over-revving %)  a tad overpowered maybe ok2

The 'Amati' power pack is two geared 540 motors, both running from a 15A esc - around 120 watts.  

Your BL setup is capable of nearly 1.5 kilowatts - that's why I think it's a 'tad' overpowered

Look at what prop rpm you'd get from that setup, and go for something similar (or slightly quicker) in a brushless setup.


 What do other Mayhemers think?

Martin, I think there's 2 extremes of 'how to treat laser-cut edges' - first the school that just sticks them together, and the second that insists on sanding away all the edge until they're down to bare wood.  I've found, (along with many others that have been using laser-cut kits for several years to build aeroplanes), that you only need to 'take the burnt bits off before glueing. 
On balsa the edges should be a light brown - can be glued straight away.
Plywood, (lite and regular), should only need a light rub with 180 grit paper to get a glueable surface.
Thick plywood - the only wood you should see a black 'burnt' edge on due to needing the higher power to cut through the wood, (on thin ply or balsa, black 'burnt' edges indicate sloppy setup of the laser), and can require a 'good' sanding to get down to good wood, but be careful as you can take too much off the edge and end up with a sloppy fitting joint.


Mark.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Timo2 on August 13, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
Hi All

    CF-FZG

            Ref  Motor 540L   810 Kv on 3s / 11v Lipo    =    Max  8910  RPM       Not   35,000 rpm


    Timo2

  P.S. High torque inrunner, excellent for running propellers without needing a gearbox
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 13, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Thanks for the advice Martin but not to worry, all the burned carbon sanded away b4 glueing.
Also, any advice re the prop sizes would be appriciated, abouth 8500 revs I think.
Timo2 you are correct.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: CF-FZG on August 13, 2011, 05:33:22 PM
            Ref  Motor 540L   810 Kv on 3s / 11v Lipo    =    Max  8910  RPM       Not   35,000 rpm

You're correct, sorry my mistake :embarrassed: 

I couldn't find the motor at first so went with the link from the photo which gave me a 2800kv motor.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 13, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
CF-FZG.

No, it's a 810kv motor.

Turnigy 540L.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 13, 2011, 10:16:57 PM
Is this the same kit as in the Model Boat, September 2011?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: CF-FZG on August 13, 2011, 11:01:51 PM
Is this the same kit as in the Model Boat, September 2011?


Just reading that article myself - and yes I think it is, interesting conversion :-))

I have one gripe with the review so far - he says he used the Graupner Jetdrive 6 and a JP brushless motor....  arghhhh - which one, (and that Jetdrive isn't listed on the suppliers website either)


Mark
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 15, 2011, 12:54:15 PM
Hello.
I have reached an impass with the build and really need some help / advice.

The problem is this, the cockpit floor and footwells  and bulkheads are supposed to be covered in a sort of vinyl / rubber material that is supplied in the kit.
I saw a build thread on R.C Groups of this kit and the builder had severe probs with gluing this stuff, enclosed picts tell all.
At first glance I thought that the builder should have taken more care with the gluing, but non of it , this stuff is un glueable, absolute rubbish.

My question is this, what else could I use for the job ? Am considering mahogany/lime planked panels or maybe grating for the floor.
All suggestions wellcome.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on August 15, 2011, 01:49:52 PM
i have vinyl in my boat. i stuck it down with CA glue. sticks fine.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 15, 2011, 02:32:37 PM
Mad Mike.

Tried that, just peels off, no good for this stuff.
Feels almost greasy, daren't try to clean it with a solvent tho' in case it melts, mind you, not going to use it so may as well give it a go.

Useful suggestions most welcome.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on August 15, 2011, 11:05:21 PM
spray glue? double sided tape? keep the vinyl it nice  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: boatmadman on August 15, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
PVA? Hot glue?

UHU por - used as a contact glue?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 16, 2011, 10:43:15 AM
Electrics arrived this morning from HobbyKing. No duty to pay which was good.

Unfortunately, no programming instructions for the ESC's. Will do a search on the net for some.
Motors are of excellent quality and the water jackets are a good fit, all in all I am well pleased.

Re the rubbery stuff in the kit which has defied all attempts to glue it. I have solved the problem.
Have ordered some faulx leather which has a fabric backing and according to the supplier is eminently glueable.

Some more photos.
Mike

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: nick_75au on August 17, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
I would like to know how those ESC's work out, I was recommended not to get them as members in a local club haven't had much luck with them. I've got a pre built Riva Corsero I'm putting a 500 Kv outrunner on 6 cell Li-po.

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 17, 2011, 01:16:11 PM
Hi Nick.
The problem that people seem to be having with these ESC's is that they don't have the correct programming info.
The link to the info on HK forum is not the full programmimg info, if indeed the correct info.

I have what I believe is the correct info, but as it will be quite a while until I get to the electrics stage I don't know for sure.
Although, the spec listed for this particular controller on the HK website does seem to agree with what I have, particularly the reverse feature.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 17, 2011, 03:16:26 PM
A few more photos of the build so far.

Am slowing down now as I have reached the more complicated stages.
Here is the start of the varnishing of the FWD Cabin, 2 thinned coats of Rustins Yacht varnish thinned 25% with Turpentine, not Turps Sub.

Also I have the Faulx Leather material, less than 1mm thick, very soft and flexible. Eminently glueable.
I have loads to spare if any one wants any, just send me the postage costs.
It is almost white, as near enough as makes no difference.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 17, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
Couldn't find any proprietary scale shape rudders so decided to make my own.

It's the best that I can do given my skill and available machinery but almost scale, (ish ).
The photos are before soldering and after soldering with a little polishing of course.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on August 18, 2011, 12:11:17 AM
there great. this boat will be awesome when its finished!! :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 20, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
Hello.
A little more done today, covered the cockpit panels and seat pedestals, the faulx leather is absolutely perfect for the job.
Glues easily and can be stretched around corners.
The pics include the Amati supplied seats, not my work thankfully.

On a different note, I am thinking of using the Hitec Opto 6 2.4GhZ radio.
It has a couple of free mixers and servo throw / expo with end point adjust.
Has anyone used this radio and what do you think of it?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 21, 2011, 03:12:34 PM
A little more done today.
Fwd cabin floor and grating started, the grating was teak so no varnish needed and the floor in mahogany has had the first sealing coat of varnish.
The cabin seats are covered with the faulx leather with a 1/4in. thick foam padding.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 21, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
Glued in the motor mounts today, had to adjust to accept the larger diameter water jackets.
They sit quite well and should leave enough room for the Robbe rubber couplings, although I haven't received these yet.
Until then I can't order the prop shafts as I have no idea of the length of the couplings.
Will get the shafts from Marks Model Bits, www.marksmodelbits.com (http://www.marksmodelbits.com).
A few more photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: pompebled on August 21, 2011, 10:08:39 PM
Hi Mike,

I wonder how you'll be able to align the shafts with the motors if the motormount and the cutouts for the shafts are already in place?

Also, make sure the outlet on the cooling jackets is on the highest point, so the jackets will fill up completely, avoiding the infamous 'half motor cooling'...

Regards, Jan.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 22, 2011, 06:10:01 PM
Hello Pompebled.

The supplied motor mounting system is set to the correct angle so that the cutouts in the frames can be used, some adjustment is built in.

Take your point about the water jacket nipples having to be at the highest point. In the photo they are not yet fixed, just for a trial fit in the rear cradles.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on August 22, 2011, 06:33:17 PM
when you finish youl have to give us some footage of it going !!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 22, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
Hi MadMike.

Will do that but I don't think it will be this year. Have nearly done most of the easy bits, difficult things ahead.
I'm determined to complete the running gear and the electrics before starting the planking, much easier to see what you are doing like that.
One thing I'm pretty sure about is that the boat is not going to be short of power.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 25, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
Help needed !

I need to decide on the prop size.  Am thinking of the Rabosch 45mm 162 type prop.

The motors are going to be turning about 8500rpm with fully submerged props. What do you think?
Any help would be very welcome.

Also, the Robbe rubber couplings that I have received are very good but any mis-alignmenmt, results in the rubber part wanting to slide down from the housing.
Should I Silicone the parts together ? Although, I am aiming for no alignment problems just needing anti vibration dampening.
The Robbe part no. is, R1446, if this helps. 

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: fatcat123 on August 25, 2011, 08:17:03 PM
Sounds about right looking at a chart i have..
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: pompebled on August 28, 2011, 09:50:31 PM
Also, the Robbe rubber couplings that I have received are very good but any mis-alignmenmt, results in the rubber part wanting to slide down from the housing.
Should I Silicone the parts together ? Although, I am aiming for no alignment problems just needing anti vibration dampening.
The Robbe part no. is, R1446, if this helps.  Mike.
Hi Mike,

Siliconing the parts together sort of defeats the point of having a coupler with a rubber middle section, I'd say...
Use a solid piece of pipe with the correct holes and the size of the 1446 and use that to align the motors to their shafts, once that's done, replace the solid part with your 1446 coupler.

I'd get a few plastic props for testing purposes, smaller than what you're going to run. Only testruns will determen how big you can go without overheating issues.

Regards, Jan.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on August 29, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
Pompebled.
I take your point, especially re experementing with cheaper plastic props, but, is there a direct comparison, plastic v brass ?
No one seems to state the pitch, only the diameter !

My thoughts on whether to silicone the rubbers to the metal adapters on the Robbe couplings was not because of any misalignment but purely due to the fact that the joint is quite sloppy,
not at all secure. I intended, (intend ), to use an industrial compound to, "Vulcanise", the parts together forming one completely flexible unit. This will satisfy my requirements for anti vibration and torque absorption.
The compound which I have used before to construct anti vibration engine mounts on 100cc model aircraft engines with great success is Sikaflex 292.

I am approaching the dreaded planking stage of the build, have posted a couple of photos of the stern or transom of the boat which seems to show a problem with the Amati kit.
The horizontal frame across the transom is definitely cut wrongly. Even after carving and sanding the dimensions don't add up.

Have a look at Sharkeys Aquarama build thread on RC Groups, pages 6 and 7 to see what I mean, poor chap really struggled. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1454417&page=6

Not an insoluble problem but at 350 quid for the kit it should have been sorted.


 

 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 04, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
Managed to spend a little more time on the model this week.  Fitted the water jackets to the motors and pressure tested them, all seems o.k.
Batteries arrived but, alas, they are to big to fit in. Thought I measured the space available correctly but obviously not, pratt !!

Started the dreaded 1st layer of planking, thank goodness for the Amati pin pusher and very mini nails.
Never done this before I but am using the full size technique of shaping each plank to fit before fixing.

I have come to the conclusion that the accuracy of the first layer of softwood planks determines the quality of the final Mahogany finish

Anyway, 2 couple of photos of the work so far.

Mike.
 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 04, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
A few more photos.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 11, 2011, 08:13:19 PM
A few more planks added , I think that shaping the planks before fitting is the best way to go as I don't have to fill in the gaps with offcuts.

The Graupner inlet / outlet fittings are going to sit nicely inside the rudders and are a very neat solution for water pickup and discharge.

Using Raboesch shafts and props, super quality but given up on the Robbe rubber couplings as a friend says that they have a tendency to tear up and slip.
although I'm sure people have used them with great success.

Have put the planking on hold for a while whilst I make some P brackets from brass plate and bar, will post some pics when the are roughed out.

Does anyone have the answer to how to work out the shape of the exit holes for the prop shafts ? The shaft tube is 6mm diameter and the shaft angle is 11 degrees.
Thought about cutting an 11 degree angle on the end of a bit of 6mm tube, might work.

A couple of pics of the work so far, very slow project !!

Mike. 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Gravman on September 15, 2011, 06:45:06 PM
Very nice work so far.  She will be a fine model when finished.  As I recall there was another kit of the same boat with a resin hull and you planked over that.  Has anyone done that kit before?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 04:47:44 PM
Hi. All.
Another weekend and a little more done to the model. Before any more timber work I decided to roughly fit the running gear whilst there was still access.

Completed the fabrication of the P brackets, remembering to make a handed pair, the P itself I silver soldered to the upright but had to soft solder the flange plates because they had to be done in situ, would have set light to the planking had I used silver solder.

Only the first set of Limewood planks are fitted so far but have allowed enough clearance for the props when finally finished. 40 mm props shown but may well try a pair of 35mm also.

Mike.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 04:50:32 PM
A couple more photos.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 18, 2011, 04:57:15 PM
very nice. the rudders looks a bit small though against the props but what do i know. its going to be interesting to see how this boat goes. I have found in my experience that open cockpit fast boats are prone to taking on water. Not from the bottom though from over the sides. youl see what i mean when you take her out for the maiden voyage
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 05:15:32 PM
Mike.
I agree about the rudders, have made them scale size but may look more in keeping with 35mm props.
In the plans the rudders are somewhat small compared to the prop size. The blades that I made are only soft soldered to the shafts so would be an easy job to remove and replace.
May well do that at a later stage.
Thanks for the comment tho,' as I said at the beginning of this thread, this is my first attempt at a boat build so every comment is much appreciated.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 18, 2011, 05:28:52 PM
is this a static display/converted for rc model?

as far as the rudders are concerned i think they will work fine, but will look odd.  i think you will need an autobailer in the end aswell
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
It's the static display one which I'm trying to add R/C remote control.

Please offer any advice where you see a need for it as it is costing quite a lot of money so fa,r ( mainly on mistakes and unnecessary items ).

Didn't realise that boats are equally as expensive as R/C aircraft.

The grand kids better enjoy this model !!.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Chris_b_uk on September 18, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
Hi Mike
Can i ask where you got your prop supports from?
Is it best to have some or can you do without?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: grasshopper on September 18, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
check out reply #43 - the man's a proper modeller, he made them himself.

And I for one, am very impressed - please work faster, I'm enjoying this thread!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 06:27:19 PM
Chris.

The P brackets ( prop supports ) are home made, unfortunately not ready made.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 18, 2011, 06:41:10 PM
Grasshopper.

Wish I could do more work more a Little quickly.

I have problems at home to deal with which take up an awful lot of my time, what with having to earn some money to pay bills etc, it is blessed respite
to be able to retire to my shed for a little escape. this allows me to do some work on the model.

I know little about model boat building but am overwhelmed by the advice offered by you modelers out there.

Thank you all for the support so far.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: craftysod on September 18, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
As Mike has said,he made them,and a superb job,he has done.
Yes you do need them,if the propshaft extends an amount from the hull,it will stop the shaft vibrating,
I have them on my Rivarama
HTH
Mark
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 18, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
when this model is finished it will be of the highest quality. I made my boat with vinyl and cushioned seats, not to this kind of standard but i found that water finds its way easily into the seating bay. It fills up here first then dips and leaks threw into the hull, my boat came back with 1/2 inch of water in the bottom. If this is intended as static display i would seriously consider fitting a bernoulli syphon autobailer before you seal all access and put finishing to the hull. Also make sure the wood is pretected from the elements from the inside to as all the wells and cavities will get water in them.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 24, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
She has a bottom, not a very pretty bottom, but a bottom non the less.

Some of the Lime Wood, "Planks", are a little thinner than the others which is not a major problem but means need a little more sanding will be needed to even out the base for the final Mahogany skin.

Mike, took your advice and made a new pair of rudders, a little larger than the first pair and also more scale shape. The photo shows the difference.

Have a couple of weeks leave from work now so maybe get a little more done.

The planking is a challenge I must admit, but the accuracy of the Limewood layer is most important as it sets the standard of the final Mahogany skin.

Mike 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 24, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
have you had props and motors running yet?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 25, 2011, 09:31:51 AM
Mike.

Only received the radio Friday. Hitec Optic 6 2.4GHz and I am still waiting for some silicone cable and connectors so haven't been able to try any of the electrics.

Did get a cracking charger from Giant Cod tho' so have been able to fiddle about with that as I have the batteries.

I did make a mistake when ordering the original pair of Li-Po's, must have mis read the dimensions as they were far to big to fit in the boat.

Sold them on the Bay and was able to get all back that I paid for them.

Have now got a pair of Zippy 3 cell 3000Mah that will fit a treat. They came with the connectors already fitted so those are the ones I am waiting for, can't get them locally.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 25, 2011, 10:42:32 AM
what boat you got next on the drawing board?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: dondecap on September 25, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
hi mate.
nice build there.......... will look great on the water..:)
batteries........why don't they supply the connector's mate when fitting connectors on batteries? especially when a different one like this...

regards
don
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 25, 2011, 05:10:43 PM
what boat you got next on the drawing board?

Mike.
I would really like to build the Riva Tritone twin screw version but can't find any plans.
Don't think there are any kits available, just the ready made ones from Korea or Vietnam which I don't want.

I know that Chris Craft made wooden runabouts and also a German or maybe a Swiss company but none are as beautiful as the Riva.

If you know anyone supplying plans for the Tritone please let me know.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 25, 2011, 05:13:39 PM
hi mate.
nice build there.......... will look great on the water..:)
batteries........why don't they supply the connector's mate when fitting connectors on batteries? especially when a different one like this...

regards
don


Dondecap.
The connectors are readily available on the Bay but not locally to me. Have some comming tomorrow so will be able to try the electrics then maybe.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: gwa84 on September 25, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
hi ive just converted my stuff to thease conectors be cerfull when soldering them get the heat on and solder quickly and put a heat shunt on the conector ive had quite a few melt and move the metel bullets inside them  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 25, 2011, 09:37:13 PM
Mike.
I would really like to build the Riva Tritone twin screw version but can't find any plans.
Don't think there are any kits available, just the ready made ones from Korea or Vietnam which I don't want.

I know that Chris Craft made wooden runabouts and also a German or maybe a Swiss company but none are as beautiful as the Riva.

If you know anyone supplying plans for the Tritone please let me know.

Mike

look at this link you might find it interesting:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352683
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 26, 2011, 04:56:19 PM
Hello All.
Thanks to Sharkey1 on RC Groups I have discovered Pool Noodle.
Silly name but is perfect for model boats.
Never heard of it until I did a Google search and it turned out to be the flotation stuff used in swimming pools.
I think that it has been banned from public pools but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, have got some and it is absolutely lovely for making sanding blocks, especially for compound curves on model boats.
Suppose you all know about Pool Noodle but is a revelation to me.
A couple of photos of it. You can make all sorts sanding blocks with it and also use it for buoyancy.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 28, 2011, 04:15:23 PM
Have done a little more to the model recently, a little more stripwood fitted and opened up a little space for the Li-Po's.

Made the rudder tubes and decided to add a flange, unfortunately had to soft solder the flange in place due to the angle required, much preferred silver solder but would have had to make a jig,

far easier to use soft solder this time.

Also, made the Docking Light housings using sticky backed chrome tape, far better than umpteen coats of silver paint.

Having a rethink on the motor controllers, will keep you posted when I have decided which way I am going to go.

The battery location is courtesy of Sharkey on RC Groups, many thanks.

A couple of photos on the progress.

Mike.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 28, 2011, 04:16:34 PM
A couple more photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Gravman on September 29, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
Mike you are doing a great job.  The brass work is very well done.  I wanted to ask if you still had any of that leather left?  I would like to have some for my own Riva kit.  Just let me know how to get the funds to you.

Thanks

John
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 29, 2011, 02:00:58 PM
Mike you are doing a great job.  The brass work is very well done.  I wanted to ask if you still had any of that leather left?  I would like to have some for my own Riva kit.  Just let me know how to get the funds to you.

Thanks

John
Hi John.

Just tell me how much you need and I'll send it to you. Length x width please ? I have a piece approx 1.00m x 1.20m left but don't take it all unless it's a full size Riva that you are building  :-)

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 29, 2011, 06:23:56 PM
As a break from the planking decided to complete the work on the steering gear.

Threaded the rudder shafts 4mm and made up the bellcrank out of an old servo arm.

The other two tillers are the same. Made the push rods from 2mm carbon fibre with my favourite connectors, ball joints.

Possibly have to make a couple of spacer collets to hold the rudders at the correct height.

A question for you, do the rudders need a little toe in as they are not fully balanced ?

I remember in the past, many years ago, we used to toe in the outboard motors when using twins.

A couple of photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on September 29, 2011, 06:30:37 PM
i had a go making my own rudder. i used my soldering iron. it came out ok ish, needed a lot of filing though. Your rudders are a great definition of ingenuity and resourcefulness.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Gravman on September 29, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
Hi John.

Just tell me how much you need and I'll send it to you. Length x width please ? I have a piece approx 1.00m x 1.20m left but don't take it all unless it's a full size Riva that you are building  :-)


Mike.

How about 30cm x 30cm?

If you have a PayPal account I would be happy to pay.

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Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: derekwarner on September 30, 2011, 07:01:49 AM
Hullo Mike....you mention rudder allignment  %)

I am not sure if it is an optical illusion in PICT0010....but the L shaped servo horn rudder connection appears to be of shorter throw between the connection axis on the link arm pivot as compared to the longer throw in the I shaped horn rudder connection

 ;D...if this the case the rudder with the I horn connection will rotate a greater amount relative to the actual servo rotary movement

 :-)) ....again if this is the case you could reposition the link arm pivot point one step for a shorter throw on the   I shaped horn rudder connection

Keep us posted with your progress...very interesting  O0...I have never seen a lazer cut assembly build........Derek


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 30, 2011, 07:45:07 AM
Hullo Mike....you mention rudder allignment  %)

I am not sure if it is an optical illusion in PICT0010....but the L shaped servo horn rudder connection appears to be of shorter throw between the connection axis on the link arm pivot as compared to the longer throw in the I shaped horn rudder connection

 ;D...if this the case the rudder with the I horn connection will rotate a greater amount relative to the actual servo rotary movement

 :-)) ....again if this is the case you could reposition the link arm pivot point one step for a shorter throw on the   I shaped horn rudder connection

Keep us posted with your progress...very interesting  O0...I have never seen a lazer cut assembly build........Derek



Derek.
The steering assy. in the picture  is just a rough mock up, not permanently set yet. just roughly assembled for trial fit purposes.

Any final adjusting will be done on completion of course, but thanks for pointing that out.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 30, 2011, 08:18:03 AM

Hi John.

Will send today via Airmail, should be with you in about a week.

Have sent a little more than you need, just in case of mistakes  :-))

The best adhesive to use is the contact type, works really well on this material.

Don't worry about payment, have this with my compliments.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 30, 2011, 04:52:20 PM
Finally the bottom and the sides are complete, ( first layer anyway ).

Looks like hours of sanding to get a perfectly smooth and even finish ready for the final Mahogany skin.

Will plank the foredeck tomorrow which will be a doddle compared to the hull, I hope !!

A few photos, by the way, re my question regarding any rudder toe in / toe out, any advice ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on September 30, 2011, 04:53:04 PM
And a couple more.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 01, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Hello everyone.

Did get the foredeck planked today along with sealing the internals, even those you can't see.

The work done on the Fwd. cabin has not been hidden, you have to shine a torch in there to see it. Hey Ho, at least I know it's there.

Rapidly approaching the heavy duty sanding stage, maybe make a start tomorrow.

Weighing in at 1.5 Kg. as seen.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 02, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Hi,

Today is a sanding day, all day I think, using the old pencil technique, sand until the pencil marks are gone, then it's done.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on October 02, 2011, 11:40:46 AM
A harder, fainter pencil would make the sanding easier.  {-)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 02, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
Hello All.

A couple of pictures proving the point.

As Duncan Norvel said, "Plank Me", or was it "Chase Me". Probably not "Plank Me".  :o

The pencil technique works well, also, a spray with water with washing up liquid makes the pin holes dissapear.

Sorry for the reference to Mr. Norvel, he was a British comedian, for our continental viewers
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 02, 2011, 09:29:33 PM
its coming on great now. im not sure about vandalising the boat to make sure youve sanded it well though lol.  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 03, 2011, 06:37:53 AM
its coming on great now. im not sure about vandalising the boat to make sure youve sanded it well though lol.  :-))

When doing 1:1 scale car bodywork I have used a similar technique... spray a contrasting colour (usually black over standard grey primer) and then sand back to highlight low spots in the bodywork
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 03, 2011, 09:27:12 AM
im just rough.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 03, 2011, 11:30:13 AM
im just rough.
Don't believe a word of it.   :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 03, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
lol dude im rough:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32783.msg325820;boardseen#new

Im not one for presentation. i like function.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: lleksam on October 03, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
Hi
I'm new to forum and have just found your build thread, looking fantastic. I'm just starting a Aquarama from a set of plans i found and a few mahogany stair treads I have, 6`long 12" wide and 3" thick, my table saw and  planer-thicknesser are going to get some hard work soon. I did post in beginners about motors but you answered my questions here. http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32915.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32915.0)

I have a few questions to ask, if i may, You have put the first coat of planking on hull, what is the size of that planking and what wood is it if you have any idea, and what is size of mahogany planking, please.

I plan to use http://www.overlander.co.uk/tornado-thumper-v2-3536-1000kv.html (http://www.overlander.co.uk/tornado-thumper-v2-3536-1000kv.html) these motors now,  with a machined stainless mount TIG welded to the end of the prop shaft.

Please if any one has any hints, ideas, help, or just want to tell me I'm a idiot, please reply on my other topic as not to hijack this one

Thank you in advance

Steve
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: tjfromdevon on October 04, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Nice build log - I found it extremely interesting - I have used the same ESC's in my Italeri conversion and managed to program them. I can provide some instructions if you still want to use them.
Regards
TJ
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 04, 2011, 06:46:02 AM
Nice build log - I found it extremely interesting - I have used the same ESC's in my Italeri conversion and managed to program them. I can provide some instructions if you still want to use them.
Regards
TJ
TJ.
P.M. sent.
Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 05, 2011, 11:09:16 AM
Hello all.
Have finished sanding the 1st layer of planking to my satisfaction. Some of the planks were quite low and I didn't want to bring the down the others to their level because it would have resulted in the higher ones finishing up wafer thin.
So, had to bite the bullet and use a little fine surface filler here and there, shows in the photos.
Am very pleased with how the bow flair turned out. Now all the planks are level and very smooth.

Have done enough to the top decking for now, will concentrate on the final Mahogany hull bottom and sides, unlike the Limewood bottom layer, I am looking very forward to doing the hardwood finish layer.
I think it will take quite a little while to do tho' as I am aiming for no gaps or filler to be required.

Have not totally dismissed the use of fans for cooling yet. Have a friend dropping me off a couple of laptop cooling fans today, will fiddle about a bit to see if it is feasible.

Meanwhile here are a few pictures.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 05, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
whats the point in using cooling fans though?

1 they are additional weight
2 they are additional power drain
3 they require vents in the deck to allow movement of cool air
4 contributes radio interference
5 not water proof

water cooling is the better option by far. Its light, requires no power, needs no maintenance can be sealed into a completely water tight hull no venting.

what ever you decide though im sure you got your reasoning. this is just my oppionion  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 05, 2011, 01:26:22 PM
whats the point in using cooling fans though?

1 they are additional weight
2 they are additional power drain
3 they require vents in the deck to allow movement of cool air
4 contributes radio interference
5 not water proof

water cooling is the better option by far. Its light, requires no power, needs no maintenance can be sealed into a completely water tight hull no venting.

what ever you decide though I'm sure you got your reasoning. this is just my oppionion  :-))
Sorry Mike don't accept any of you your arguments.
1. Weight  they weigh a few grams.
2. Power  they draw less than a servo at idle.
3. Vents can be conceived to not allow water in, they don't have to be at deck level.
4. Absolutely no interference to decent 2.4 receivers, also they are brushless.
5. Why would they need to be waterproof ?
And here's a 6. They will be used in conjunction with water cooling not instead of. Although I see no reason why that can't happen

I don't just dismiss the idea out of hand because it is not the "Norm"

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: John W E on October 05, 2011, 02:39:46 PM
Hi,
 the use of cooling fans in a model which has the electrics in a confined space, is a good thing as it stops a build-up of hotair in one place.  

 

It moves the air around and in practice the fan should be placed so that it sucks the air out of the compartment and the vacuum that is created pulls fresh cold air in. Using this method along with water cooling will be adequate for most fast electricmodels.

 

I used a similar set up in the1/48 scale HMS Leeds Castle which was originally built for a 24 hour race.  It has two fans cooling all the electrics - one is set on a thermal switch for the motor which are also watercooled.
PS nice build  :-)) :-))

 

aye

john

 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on October 05, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
very nice. the rudders looks a bit small though against the props but what do i know. its going to be interesting to see how this boat goes. I have found in my experience that open cockpit fast boats are prone to taking on water. Not from the bottom though from over the sides. youl see what i mean when you take her out for the maiden voyage

Hi bud,a few down my boat club had problems with taking on water over the sides,i told them how to cure this and have no problems now,
A simple spray rail,placed along where deadrise of the V meets sides it only has to be 3mm lip of wood and problem sovled.
 Great build by the way,but watch them ESC 's they are not reliable,iv got the proper programming for them from the manufacturer in china who supply these to HK.
you may be lucky by using 2 motors and ESC so they load but still wouldnt bet on them lasting.
Good luck and nice job
F1
 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: dreadnought72 on October 05, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
A really good build, this. Many thanks for documenting it. The woodwork is superb!

Andy
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 05, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Hi bud,a few down my boat club had problems with taking on water over the sides,i told them how to cure this and have no problems now,
A simple spray rail,placed along where deadrise of the V meets sides it only has to be 3mm lip of wood and problem solved.
 Great build by the way,but watch them ESC 's they are not reliable,iv got the proper programming for them from the manufacturer in china who supply these to HK.
you may be lucky by using 2 motors and ESC so they load but still wouldn't bet on them lasting.
Good luck and nice job
F1
 
Hi.
My first foray into boat speed controllers and have managed to get the correct prog. info, (I think so anyway,Suppo are the makers I believe).
Have had a total rethink on the motor control and will post the results in due course.

Spray rails will work I agree but the full size Aquarama's didn't need them due partly to the fact that they were a near perfect design and most importantly running in full scale water molecules, unlike 10% scale models which have to contend with full scale water.
Most Aquarama models that I have seen run do look ungainly in the water, I am convinced that they are too heavy, grossly under powered and incorrectly balanced, ( boats do have an ideal C. of G. after all ).

Can't prove any of this at the moment but fully intend to.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on October 05, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
Suppo are another company who buy them,they dont make them,i could order them say for instance with red heatshrink and put my name on them.

Agree 100% with full scale and 1/10 scale running on full scale water and i hope you perfected the design so spray rails are not need,CG is the main thing and weight,but if youve built of the plans with no changes to the design etc i think youll find you may have to add them or out up with filling the cockpit area full of water.
I was simply answering the question above and advising the best way to cure it.
Ill be watching to see how get on progress and hope you prove me wrong,but wont know till youve got it on the water
Good Luck
F1  
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 05, 2011, 06:10:45 PM
Many thanks F1 Madness.
P.M.sent.
Will add the spray rails anyway, as I think you are right in your observations.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: John W E on October 05, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Hi.
My first foray into boat speed controllers and have managed to get the correct prog. info, (I think so anyway,Suppo are the makers I believe).
Have had a total rethink on the motor control and will post the results in due course.

Spray rails will work I agree but the full size Aquarama's didn't need them due partly to the fact that they were a near perfect design and most importantly running in full scale water molecules, unlike 10% scale models which have to contend with full scale water.
Most Aquarama models that I have seen run do look ungainly in the water, I am convinced that they are too heavy, grossly under powered and incorrectly balanced, ( boats do have an ideal C. of G. after all ).

Can't prove any of this at the moment but fully intend to.





Mike.

That looks a canny chine spray rail to me on the realone and its factory fitted as well

aye
john
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 05, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Sorry Mike don't accept any of you your arguments.
1. Weight  they weigh a few grams.
2. Power  they draw less than a servo at idle.
3. Vents can be conceived to not allow water in, they don't have to be at deck level.
4. Absolutely no interference to decent 2.4 receivers, also they are brushless.
5. Why would they need to be waterproof ?
And here's a 6. They will be used in conjunction with water cooling not instead of. Although I see no reason why that can't happen

I don't just dismiss the idea out of hand because it is not the "Norm"

Mike.


Im not closed minded i just think its over complicated solution when simple alternatives are available. Im sure that it will work fine.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on October 05, 2011, 11:54:16 PM
Many thanks F1 Madness.
P.M.sent.
Will add the spray rails anyway, as I think you are right in your observations.

Mike.

I would,be a shame to finish it then if it did need them you'd have to add them after all the work getting a nice finish on it.
F1
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 06, 2011, 07:22:48 AM
Sorry to be a numbnut but what are spray rails?   :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 06, 2011, 09:43:06 AM
Sorry to be a numbnut but what are spray rails?   :embarrassed:

Look here. http://www.yachtcouncil.com/media/images/yachts/88/114366/BigSlideShowSize-Motor-Yacht-Other-114366-forward-sections-showing-fine-entry-and-three-spray-rails-for-lift-and-dryness.jpg

They are for deflecting displaced water outward and away from the hull. The picture shows 3 below the chine

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 06, 2011, 10:15:35 AM
See:  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=31991.0
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: John W E on October 06, 2011, 10:53:44 AM
Look here. http://www.yachtcouncil.com/media/images/yachts/88/114366/BigSlideShowSize-Motor-Yacht-Other-114366-forward-sections-showing-fine-entry-and-three-spray-rails-for-lift-and-dryness.jpg

They are for deflecting displaced water outward and away from the hull. The picture shows 3 below the chine

 
Hi there, sadly the answer given to spray rails is only (partly) right.  The most important one has bean missed out in that:

Is number 4 spray rail this one?

 

(As I tried to point out ina earlier post) –this is the main one and it can come in many forms.  The rail in the photo above and in the aquarama photo the sprayrail is built into the hull as a flat area - that is at the chine between the V of the bottom and the side of the hull. This spray rail’s job is to prevent water climbing up the side of the hull and creating a grater wetted area there for generating more drag and a wetter top deck

 

hope this helps

 

aye

john

 

 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 06, 2011, 07:26:28 PM
Hello all.

Work done today. Roughly finished the after "Slipway" as the Italians call it, not glued up yet as it may need altering when the transom is complete.

Fitted the first of the Mahogany planks with the two chine guide planks and then the first keel layers, did soak the keel ones before gluing just to get them to lay flat.

The other pictures are of my facilities really, I don't have many tools etc. but do have a lovely sanding table which I made many years ago from an old washing machine motor and some left over Formica worktop.
It is 9" diameter and with the 3/4 H.P. induction motor, cannot be stopped no matter how hard you push, just replaced the  abrasive with new 80 grit alu oxide.

The other bits are self explanatory, including my Pool Noodle sanding thingy's which are absolutely great, just wrap around the grit of your choice, stick with gaffa tape and you are ready to go.

Hope this thread is not becoming too boring, please say so if it is.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 06, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
A few more pics.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 06, 2011, 11:39:10 PM
i like the sanding table, good idea that. threads not boring at all you just know what your doing thats all so not much to say really. I can only speak for myself but im looking forward to see this thing in action especially with 2 brushless motors in it! what props are you using?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 07, 2011, 07:46:46 PM
What about these little devils.

40mm x 28mm x 30mm high with on/off switch, cooling fans and 60 amp constant. Fwd / Reverse etc. with BEC.

Have changed the power feed to the fans as the can't tolerate any more than 2 cells Li-Po, although the controller can take 3 cells.

The prog card saves a lot of time and for a fiver you have to have one.

Sorry Mad Mike, I think fans are the way to go, although, I will still water cool the motors.  ;)

Am going to fit a larger fan, extraction mode to the "Engine Room" so should work out O.K, if not easy to revert back.

Mike.

Some pics.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 08, 2011, 04:48:20 PM
Some more work on the model today.

Bottom planking progressing nicely, absolutely love working with this Mahogany, very hard and holds a very sharp edge.
Pleased with the bow so far, joints seem quite tidy, although a lot of sanding to be done later.
Trial fitted the running gear on the finished layer, opened the prop shaft holes with the aid of a home made tool and they are quite acceptable, very little filling to be done.

The picts show both the 40mm and 35mm props, have set the shaft angle to accommodate both sizes.
Need a couple of posts to accommodate the pictures.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 08, 2011, 04:49:17 PM
More photos.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 08, 2011, 04:50:13 PM
A couple more
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 08, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
Thats some real nice planking you have done so far
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: dreadnought72 on October 08, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
^ What he said!  :-))

Andy
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on October 08, 2011, 05:29:18 PM
Ditto!  :o
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 08, 2011, 11:05:42 PM
Can you plank my Victory?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 09, 2011, 05:38:19 PM
6 more planks fitted today, it's taking about 15 mins to complete each plank, what with shaping, sanding and bevelling them.
Going to be quite a little while on this stage.
Anyway, needs must so have to get on now.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 10, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
Bottom planking completely finished now.
Turned out O.K I think.
Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: fatcat123 on October 10, 2011, 04:44:03 PM
Turned out very ok!

Nice job. I would love to attempt this kit, i really would.

Dan
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 10, 2011, 05:05:16 PM
Dear Santa

I've been a very good boy, please can I have a Riva Aquarama by Amati
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on October 10, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
Mike,
Excuse me if you've already said but...what method are you using to attach the mahogany planking? The last time I tried this I had a awful time getting it to stay flat.
Looking good, by the way.
Robert.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 10, 2011, 05:20:37 PM
Mike,
Excuse me if you've already said but...what method are you using to attach the mahogany planking? The last time I tried this I had a awful time getting it to stay flat.
Looking good, by the way.
Robert.
Hello Robert.

I am using the yellow Aliphatic Resin glue, there are some other yellow wood glues out there but nothing comes close to the real stuff.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on October 10, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Do you find that the planks try to curl before the glue dries?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 10, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
Do you find that the planks try to curl before the glue dries?
Haven't had that happen yet. My planks are 1.5mm thick so maybe that helps, mind you, I do pin each plank down using 0.5mm brass pins using a pin pusher.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on October 10, 2011, 06:57:11 PM
My planks are 1.5mm thick

Ah. That probably would help, yes. The ones I was using were very, very thin indeed.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 10, 2011, 10:06:33 PM
Thought you may like to see the brushes and varnish that I am going to use.

The two brushes with acrylic handels are from Rylands / Staples and are very close to the quality of Sable,the wooden handled one is just a cheap and cheerful sealer coat brush.

The varnish is Le Tonkinois which contains an awful lot of Tung and Linseed Oils.

Just as a matter of interest.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 14, 2011, 04:10:27 PM
Bottom and sides Mahogany planking completed now, the longest 2 planks were a tad short so had to let a little piece in at the point of the bow.
Shame, but they will be covered by the bow metal work.
The planks have had their first spray of soapy water to fill the nail holes, 2 couple more sprays should do it.
A few more photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 14, 2011, 04:22:19 PM

"The varnish is Le Tonkinois which contains an awful lot of Tung and Linseed Oils."   :o

          I hope MI5 isn't monitoring this topic!    ok2
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 14, 2011, 04:46:44 PM
"The varnish is Le Tonkinois which contains an awful lot of Tung and Linseed Oils."   :o

          I hope MI5 isn't monitoring this topic!    ok2
Havn't taken the lid off yet Martin but have heard that the smell may just do the trick.  ok2

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 16, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
Hello all.

A bit more work done today, transom completed ready for sanding plus started on the foredeck.
Using UHU Hart for this job as it has been in my shed for at least 5 years now and is just the the right consistency.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 17, 2011, 06:53:37 AM
You don't hang about do you?

You have got further in 2 months than I have in 2 years!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: AlisterL on October 17, 2011, 07:39:28 AM
Looks really good Mike!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 17, 2011, 08:54:54 AM
i bet one of the main reasons why mike makes so much progress is because he doesnt watch telly :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 17, 2011, 09:59:42 AM
neither do I but the wife/kids/extended family all seem to have things I have to do that are more important than boats  {:-{
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 17, 2011, 10:03:06 AM
i bet one of the main reasons why mike makes so much progress is because he doesnt watch telly :-))

.... how is that possible?!?!?  :o
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 17, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
i have a missus kids etc and it doesnt seem to inhibit my modelling. When i take my boats out all my kids come and we have a nice day down at the lake  :o
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 17, 2011, 06:49:26 PM
 :((
Can anyone help.
Managed to break a piece of the Mahogany laser cut part, unfortunately it's one half of a pair.
Not enough scrap left to make a repair so need a small piece to fix the problem. Which is the colour, Amati don't say what Mahogany they have used and given that there are dozens of sub species
it's impossible to to find the correct one.
Anyway, bought 2 leaves of Mahogany veneer on the off chance that they may match but as you can see they don't.
Considering dying the veneers to match, which would be almost impossible I think, or and a big OR, does anyone have any offcuts that may match my missing bit ?
If not, can you suggest the best way out ?

By the way, the foredeck is complete apart from sanding, very pleased with the symmetry.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 17, 2011, 06:50:48 PM
Last 2
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on October 17, 2011, 07:12:36 PM
cant you join the two broken peices? all you need to do is add a bit of mahogany backing to strengthen the join, as long as its on the inside.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 17, 2011, 07:19:38 PM
cant you join the two broken peices? all you need to do is add a bit of mahogany backing to strengthen the join, as long as its on the inside.
Wish that I could Mike but unfortunately I trod on the broken bit and the bits flew everywhere, ( prat, I hear you say ) and you are right.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: fatcat123 on October 17, 2011, 08:27:07 PM
What about making two new parts from the the new wood? Or does it have to be that colour for varnish etc? to match the rest of the boat.

Dan
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 17, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
What about making two new parts from the the new wood? Or does it have to be that colour for varnish etc? to match the rest of the boat.

Dan
Hi Dan.

That was my idea by getting the 2 new leaves, the only problem is that the " orange " colour doesn't match the already fitted deck parts.

Am thinking about dying the already fitted parts along with the new veneers. Could get a little costly tho' as it would be trial and error.

I have to sort something out soon as I can't do anymore until this problem is solved.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 18, 2011, 10:54:21 AM
Have you tried contacting Amati about the broken part?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 18, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Have you tried contacting Amati about the broken part?
Just received an email from Andrew @ Euromodels U.K.
Very quick reply to my email question, proper old fashioned service that is.
He is contacting Italy to acquire the appropriate parts, just as well really as I broke the other one today.
Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 18, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
lol maybe you should ask for 2 sets
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 21, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Hello All.

A day off from building today, thought that I would set up the Tx and motors.
Have removed the ratchet from the throttle and made it sprung return to central, as the std elevator stick. This gives me independent control of each motor, including reverse.
Programmed the 2 speed controllers, ( very easy with the prog card ), and, after a little jiggling about with the program parameters have managed to get the motors to work in unison,
you can even hear the correct sound of twin motors in perfect synchronisation.
Rudders will be on the right hand stick alla Mode One ailerons.
The twin fans seem to work very well, so ESC cooling may not be a problem.
I am going to fit the 2 displaced 6v fans as extraction, venting from grilles below the cockpit rear seats,( all being well).

On a slightly different subject, can anyone tell me where to get a couple of lengths of 4mm tri stock mahogany abt 800mm long?
Or maybe some one out there could machine me some up :-)

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 22, 2011, 05:09:54 PM
Did find some veneer that roughly matches the Amati Mahogany so able to get on a little.

I used the new veneer for all of the work aft of the windscreen so that the difference is not so noticeable, that meant cutting out all new parts but able to use the originals as templates.
Have whetted the whole top decking which gives some idea of what it will look like when varnished and the difference is quite acceptable, also, not all of the Mahogany parts supplied in the kit are the same shade,
I think that helps as it seems the full size Riva did show some shade differences.

Anyway, here are a few more pictures to look at.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 22, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
Definately putting this kit on the christmas list!

And when my numbers come the wife has authorised a real one :)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 22, 2011, 05:32:16 PM
Definately putting this kit on the christmas list!

And when my numbers come the wife has authorised a real one :)

You'll be behind me in the queue, halfe a million Euros tho'

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on October 22, 2011, 05:39:12 PM
there was one for sale here in Finland... a snip at €350,000
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on October 23, 2011, 09:03:08 AM
This is really great Mike. Finally joined up on here to follow this build properly and see the photos.

I have been building one of these myself since 2009, and it has certainly tested my patience, but you are really 'sailing' through it. Looks superb and I only wish I'd had your build to follow while I was doing mine.

The problems I have had are as follows, this Amati kit is good but certainly not without (niggling) fault. This is one of my first kit boat builds, but I have done a couple of scratch models over the years, so I was expecting a bit better I think. For those thinking of tackling this kit, it seems deceptively simple, but it does need a bit of head scratching. Arguably that is part of the fun of course!

1. The kit is designed for RC but the installation seems to have been a bit of an afterthought - I am using the trans kit reduction units (they are too noisy, I hope to get rid of them) but I hated the oversize shafts and plastic props supplied - on the real boats the shafts are exposed on leaving the hull and at quite a steep rake to climb up to the engine bay (the twin V8's are installed under the sundeck, not under the passenger seat). There are no proper scale prop supports supplied so had to a lot of drawing and thinking to sort the whole thing out. It is a shame that the builder has to resort to making up his own brass bits and pieces, that isn't good enough at this price in my view.
2. The laser cut ply deck section shapes do not match the laser cut mahogany sections. Quite bizarre that. I considered the mahogany to be the master, and recut the ply ones from my own material. You've solved that one as well!
3. Different mahogany shades on the laser cut bits - my 'saxboards' wouldn't match left to right - I had to buy new mahogany, took an age to get some of the right shade. Same with the 5x5mm fender strips.
4. Variable mahogany strips - when varnished mine came out all sorts of different shades. Yours have a completely different grain to mine, but look an even colour so you should be good.
4. Not enough spare material for the 1x1mm lime - ran out despite being very careful and had to get some more from an Amati stockist; again wasted a lot of time on that.
5. Instructions go all the way to the end of the hull build, and then suddenly it turns into a lovely finished boat with some arrows pointing out where to mount things! I was hoping there would be some advice on finishing, some better photos around the bows (note they have the mounting height of the chrome prow wrong - it should fit to the top of the saxboards)
6. The chrome finisher strips look like someone has trampled all over them. I hope they look ok once fixed to the boat.
7. My windscreen was bent out of shape. The other fittings are nice, but the etch satin parts are too matt. They can be polished up, but then they'll go 'off' over time?

I had terrible trouble around the bow by the way, just trying to get nice even profile deck lines fore-to-aft is a big challenge while keeping the plan view deck shape curve consistent port to starboard. You didn't seem to have any trouble getting that right straight from the off Mike. Impressive. I spent many weeks on that.

Cheers, Colin


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 23, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
Thanks for the post Colin, sounds as though your Aquarama is finished, wouldn't mind seeing some pics of it.

I have to agree with your comments, especially about the Mahogany deck parts not fitting, the CAD program does not take into account any slight variations in the building, after all no two builds will be the same.

One of my biggest moans is the amount of burning to the Laser cut edges, especially on the Mahogany veneers which are mostly show parts and with little excess to sand the carbon away.

Amati should have been a little more generous with the cutting, making those parts a little oversize to allow the carbon to be sanded away.

I think that the Saxboards under the bow "Musetto" as per full size is quite doable, have fitted the parts dry and with a little reshaping here and there should work.

See what you think ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on October 23, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
I'm only just in front of you actually Mike, finished the woodwork and finally applied some varnish a couple of weeks back and taking stock of any tidying up and refinishing that might be needed. My aim was to apply it before the weather took a complete dive, and fortunately things have been kind to us. The hull was sat outside today in the October sun continuing to cure after another round. There are a couple of bits I am a little disappointed with to be honest, but its just tough now, the thing is sealed and that's it. I will sort out some pictures at some point, not wanting to disrupt the neat flow of your build thread though...

Exactly right for the 'Musetto' by the way, you've cracked it. The interesting thing is the chrome part actually sits correctly when placed like this, so the part is designed right but the instructions and build up prototype are wrong. How did you extend your saxboards?

The mahogany veneers are a pain - the carbon is one thing, and also one has to be so very careful to get all the levels right, there is no room for sanding them when they are so very thin or you go through the top level and ruin them.

Colin
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 23, 2011, 07:58:26 PM
Hi Colin

I know what you mean about the thinness of the veneers, have gone thu' myself in a couple of places.

I used the supplied Saxboards, you are sliding them in an ark rather than in a straight line so only lost a little in length, not enough to warrant making new ones

Have chucked away the supplied wood for the after rubbing strips, certainly not Mahogany, more like Lignum Vitae or Ebony. Will have to recover it from the bin just to see if it floats,
apparently Lignum Vitae sinks, not a good omen on a boat I think.

Do your cockpit rear seat parts fit ? Mine certainly don't, far to wide to fit where they are supposed to, alterable I suppose !

Have a look at this thread on RC Groups, makes interesting viewing although I think you have to register to see the photos, worth doing tho'. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1454417

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on October 25, 2011, 03:54:33 PM
Good work in respect of the Saxboards, makes good sense. I had to make mine from completely new material so was able to add a bit on at the fore edge. I had a struggle to get a nice smooth curve when I cut them out. Hard to beat the laser.

My rub strip material was bizarre, one piece looked almost like Walnut, the other side a very pale wood. Inconsistent, and useless at the same time!

Rear seats. Well I am with you, they don’t fit. I can sort of cram them in but then the edging surround strip doesn't fit above the backrest. Looks like something else we'll have to mess about with. I haven’t fitted any of the white flooring parts yet as I decided I had so much woodwork to do it would be best to leave them out. I used an emulsion on the floor and interior woodwork just to cover things up in the interim. I did get my vinyl to stick when I made the cabin cushions -  I think I used a combination of Cyano edges and a contact adhesive on the flat, but I'll get them out of the cupboard and find out if they are still holding up.

The RC group build is interesting - some big modifications around the rear - seems like he got into trouble there, but made a good decision to sort it out. Just amazed he had enough strip left to effectively plank that twice. Watching the complexity of his plumbing work increasing!

Any thoughts on a figure yet? I found a 7" high Mr Spock, if I can cover up the ears maybe it will work!!!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Sharky1dk on October 25, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Looking really good...   ;)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 28, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
Hello.

Had very little time to build this week but gave the foredeck a thinned coat of varnish just to see if the colours were O.K. Am quite pleased with the results.
Roughly fitted the windscreen, (several filled holes later), which, after an awful lot of jiggling, is acceptable.
Couldn't resist the temptation to roughly fit the cockpit and sundeck upholstery, just to see how it will look, seems fine but the cockpit rear seat backrest and squab
are a terrible fit, will have to do some serious surgery to make them fit properly. The problem is that the rear seat assy. has to be removable to allow access to the motors/batteries et al.

Have bought a few 12mm compasses, (working) as I hope to replace the naff Amati supplied one. Had to buy 5 and as I only need one I have 4 going spare.
If anyone would like one then send me a P.M.

Some photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 28, 2011, 08:10:56 PM
Hello.
A couple more
Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
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Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Sharky1dk on October 28, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
 :-))

Would love to put my hands of one of those spare compasses, and know where you got em' from...

Robert
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 28, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
:-))

Would love to put my hands of one of those spare compasses, and know where you got em' from...

Robert
PM me your address Robert and I'll send you one.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on October 30, 2011, 01:18:06 PM
Well, still having trouble with my varnish here, but mainly owing to user error.

Had another look at the seat - the backrest is too wide and too deep - if you pull the cushion forward it helps, but then you can see a gap. I removed the compartment cover, and just fitted the seats without it - better but cannot really live with it like that. Perhaps the cover can be modified as I don't see what can be done with the seats themselves.

Good progress on the screen fitting - I was wary of cutting holes until I'd varnished things (figured the varnish would help stop the wood splitting), but I am nervous now reading about the difficulty of fitting the screen correctly at the first attempt)! This isn't easy all this...
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on October 31, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
Hi All.

Have 5 days leave from work this week so hopefully will be able to get a little more done to the model.

Saxboards fitted and glued and the dash received it's 9th coat of varnish, so may be able to fit it tomorrow, also, made and fitted the after rubbing strips, had to machine my own 5mm square Mahogany as I couldn't find any pre made that matched the colour.

Will have to do the same for the spray rails I think.

The dash is the next job to be done before I can continue, so hopefully more progress tomorrow.

A couple of pictures.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 01, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
That dash looks very nice. I glued mine in first before varnishing, but then I had to be very careful that the glue didn't get in the way of the varnish taking properly later on.

Have you started making the dashtop yet, that is fun (needs various bending, filling, adjusting, etc)?  I managed to use the kit parts this time though, which was a minor victory I suppose.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 01, 2011, 03:55:45 PM
Hi Colin.

The next step is to complete the dash assy. plus the returns at each end, these are drying, taped to the wooden spoon handle after a good soaking in boiling water with washing up liquid added.

Made 3 just in case one decides to snap.

For something to do by way of a change I started to assemble the instrument panel , had to buff the bezels because they were very dull and stained but came up quite nicely.

Having to send the rear mushroom vents away for re chroming as the nickel plating,(or lack of it), from Amati was disastrous, the brass was, is, clearly visible in the photo
.
Didn't have any offers from anyone to make me some and not being able to buy any ready made I decided to make my own Mahogany tri stock for possible spray rails.

Made 2 x 1mtr lengths of each, 5mm and 3.5mm, the smaller one is I think the better size. Whilst I had the wood I made 2 new after rubbing strips to replace the bizarre material supplied in the kit.

So, a few photos to peruse.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 01, 2011, 04:49:50 PM
Wonderful work!

My returns needed a bit of trimming, but there was plenty of spare material and went together easily. I used hefty rubber bands to hold them to a suitable size battery while they were drying from kettle treatment - tell me how does the washing up liquid help though?

Those bezels come up well, I wonder how long before they tarnish, could be worth lacquering them perhaps?

Disappointing on some of the parts again then. I hope Amati read these threads.

For my rubbing strips I also used new material, tapered a little at the front like yours - it looks more flattering that way.

Are you really going to implement the spray rails then?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 01, 2011, 05:05:54 PM
Undecided yet Colin, but looking at some of the videos posted on YouTube, some of these models go like pigs,

especially the ones from Vietnam, the others that seem to run correctly are having to do a scale speed equivalent to at least 70 knots.

So, will decide later on this but at least I have the mouldings to use if I want to.

I am convinced that if the balance point is correct and the weight is not too excessive then, with the appropriate amount of power, the model should ride as per full size.

It will take a very good argument to convince me otherwise.

By the way Colin, washing up liquid contains, "wetting agents", these make the water effectively wetter, soaks in better and quicker.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 02, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
Some of those boats look far too nose heavy, plowing up a lovely bow wave. Others ride the water like a hydroplane at crazy non-scale speeds and look vaguely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: derekwarner on November 02, 2011, 11:06:04 AM
.....ukmike says...... "Having to send the rear mushroom vents away for re chroming as the nickel plating,(or lack of it), from Amati was disastrous, the brass was, is, clearly visible in the photo"


Mike...there are a few misconceptions here with plating  <*<

1. to provide a bright chromium plated finish over polished brass, a pre electrolytic deposit of [more noble] copper is required
2. a chromium deposit over copper will require extensive polishing to achieve a lustre
3. an electroless deposit of nickle can be achieved on etched plastic or metals = the bright shiny lustre you are after

4. 90% of the bright mirror like chromium surface finishes we see in appliances or automotive accessories are from an electroless nickle deposit process

5. conventional plating shops are not equipped to provide an electroless Ni plating process ...........  :D :o Derek
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 02, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
.....ukmike says...... "Having to send the rear mushroom vents away for re chroming as the nickel plating,(or lack of it), from Amati was disastrous, the brass was, is, clearly visible in the photo"


Mike...there are a few misconceptions here with plating  <*<

1. to provide a bright chromium plated finish over polished brass, a pre electrolytic deposit of [more noble] copper is required
2. a chromium deposit over copper will require extensive polishing to achieve a lustre
3. an electroless deposit of nickle can be achieved on etched plastic or metals = the bright shiny lustre you are after

4. 90% of the bright mirror like chromium surface finishes we see in appliances or automotive accessories are from an electroless nickle deposit process

5. conventional plating shops are not equipped to provide an electroless Ni plating process ...........  :D :o Derek
Wow, how ignorant am I then !

All I did was to send the bits to the chrome plater so that he can fix it.

He says he can so thats O.K.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to get to grips with the concept of glue and nails. >>:-(

Thanks for the info tho'.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 02, 2011, 01:23:15 PM
Hi Chaps.

Have managed to make an acceptable compass, pulled the dome from a cut up washing up liquid bottle, (what is it with me and washing up liquid, doesn't bare thinking about !!).

Made an extra one, just a tad smaller in case my idea turned out to be rubbish.

Bought a packet, (5), of white metal porthole castings from my local model shop, they make them theirselves and do leave a little bit to be desired regarding finish, but can be made to look O.K.

That is what I have used for the base mounting flange. Am quite pleased with the result so will use one.

Not so pleased with the supplied cockpit coaming upholstery though,have a good look at the pictures, they are not the same size, (not one end anyway), and are really far too small in depth for where thy are supposed to fit.

Have decided to make some new ones the correct size once I have worked out how to use a sewing machine.

The dash returns show what the coaming upholstery is supposed to hide, they just won't do it.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 02, 2011, 02:21:20 PM
Oh wonderful...more quality parts then. I had better check mine.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 03, 2011, 02:15:57 PM
Oh wonderful...more quality parts then. I had better check mine.

Colin.

Have been able to reduce the width of the cockpit rear seat squab quite successfully by heating the turned over end material using a heat gun.

They seem to have used Henkel contact adhesive which is not as tenacious as Evostik so it was not that difficult to lift enough material to make it possible to cut 4mm ish from the ends.

Re glued and pulled the ends back in place, I now have about 2.5mm clearance from the cockpit sides.

Have done the same to one end of the backrest so far but the same technique worked.

Decided to close the dash returns with Mahogany, couldn't stand looking at the shaped ply ends.

I am going to make some new coaming upholstery to the correct size, to that end have obtained an old Singer sewing machine which seems to work, at least the light comes on and the what's it's name goes up and down

when the pedal is pressed. Don't have a clue how to thread the cotton onto it because it came without instructions but have printed a simple diagram from the net on how to do it, also, there is a little spool under a hatch which

also needs cotton. Will experiment with it, see what happens.

Some photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 03, 2011, 02:32:27 PM
after this build you will be a master upholsterer, i used CA glue to make my vinyl inyterior. I did do some stitching but vinyl is hard stuff to stitch by hand, plus it looked like proverbial.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 03, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
be interesting to see what you did with the backrest, that is the bit that doesn't fit for me. Did you just reduce the width on that as well Mike by the same approach? If so, cunning!

My varnish has gone wrong, back to the drawing board on the bow and some of the deck. Bit fed up really and need to wait for good weather again (which probably means next year now to be honest, it is too strong to apply in the house).
Also ruined one of my brass rudders when I was soldering it together to the shaft. I think the flux was wrong so more hours have been wasted. Oh to have your skills on some of this stuff.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 03, 2011, 07:18:27 PM
be interesting to see what you did with the backrest, that is the bit that doesn't fit for me. Did you just reduce the width on that as well Mike by the same approach? If so, cunning!

My varnish has gone wrong, back to the drawing board on the bow and some of the deck. Bit fed up really and need to wait for good weather again (which probably means next year now to be honest, it is too strong to apply in the house).
Also ruined one of my brass rudders when I was soldering it together to the shaft. I think the flux was wrong so more hours have been wasted. Oh to have your skills on some of this stuff.
Yes just the same method Colin but only did one end, until I make the replacement coaming padding I won't know how much to take off.

What varnish are you using with such a bad smell and poor results ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 04, 2011, 07:42:20 AM
Trade stuff - it was working fine in decent weather but I tidied up the bow, re-applied and now I am getting a blooming effect all over- its damp basically. The workshop I use is just an elaborate shed which is unheated. Things aren't too bad, I just need to be patient...
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 05, 2011, 12:16:44 PM
Hello All.
I need all your opinions / thoughts on this modification to the hull that I have made, although it is not scale at all, I believe it may be necessary for the correct running of the model,
given that most seem to ship an awful lot of water unless they are travelling at ridiculously high speeds.
I have hardened up the chine using the 3.5 mm tri stock that I made and carried it forward a little to form a bit of a spray rail

I have only done one side at the moment until I get your comments, good or bad.
Although it is glued on properly I can remove it quite easily leaving no signs that it has ever been there.

For myself, I quite like it and it does look fit for purpose.

Have a look at the photo's and let me have your comments please.

Also, fitted the laser cut dash top Mahogany pieces, (which needed altering of course ), then roughly sanded them to shape before applying one coat of LeTonk to see have they look.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: gwa84 on November 05, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
spot on with the rails should help her out of the water and on the plane nicly i say keep em they look right  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on November 05, 2011, 01:51:35 PM
Hi Mike,

Great work, and a really good idea.  :-))  O0

From what I saw from the original Riva Aquaramas, they are built exactly the same way. Enclosed some photos

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/16/97/39/81/photor10.jpg)

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/16/97/39/81/photor11.jpg)

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/16/97/39/81/photor12.jpg)

Charles
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on November 05, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
Hey mike
nice job on the build and the spray rails look fine too me
GWA i suggested the spray rails not so much getting on plane though they will help but these hulls tend to draw the water up and over top,filling up the boat interior with water,had a couple of chaps down our local boat club with them,i advised fitting the spray rails to deflect the water away from the hull keeping the interior dry,it worked a treat and they were happier than ever rather emptying the  boat of water every couple of mins they could enjoy running them more,thats why somewhere earlier in the thread i suggested the same and hes made a nice job of them
Anybody else building or brought 1 of these id reckonmend they do the same,for the sake of a couple of quid it can help save the electronics etc
Top job mike :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 05, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
Hey mike
nice job on the build and the spray rails look fine too me
GWA i suggested the spray rails not so much getting on plane though they will help but these hulls tend to draw the water up and over top,filling up the boat interior with water,had a couple of chaps down our local boat club with them,i advised fitting the spray rails to deflect the water away from the hull keeping the interior dry,it worked a treat and they were happier than ever rather emptying the  boat of water every couple of mins they could enjoy running them more,thats why somewhere earlier in the thread i suggested the same and hes made a nice job of them
Anybody else building or brought 1 of these id reckonmend they do the same,for the sake of a couple of quid it can help save the electronics etc
Top job mike :-))


Thanks F1.
On a lighter note tho' and for future reference, can you tell me where I can get a couple of meters of Brazilian Mahogany supplied and machined to 3.5 mm  triangle for a couple of quid ?
I did ask this question in an earlier post but received no replies.
Would have saved me an awful lot of time and money if I could have bought it ready made.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 05, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
Very subtle and nicely executed those spray rails.. be interesting to see how much difference they make. If I need them I am going to have to retrofit, which will be painful. But to be honest my boat will be 95% display/ 5% use so I'll have to live with it unless I want to undo more varnish.

Got my brass rudders soldered up - it was the flux all right, swapped it and the job was simplicity itself.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on November 05, 2011, 04:16:26 PM
Hi mike
ok a couple of quid was more of an expression
The guys used hardwood brought from local diy as theres boat are painted then touched them after fitting them,but as for mahogany 1s i cant help there without doing a good search on the net,surely some1 does them somewhere
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 05, 2011, 04:24:46 PM
Hi mike
OK a couple of quid was more of an expression
The guys used hardwood brought from local diy as theres boat are painted then touched them after fitting them,but as for mahogany 1s i cant help there without doing a good search on the net,surely some1 does them somewhere


That's O.K. F1

Just a little leg pull, knew exactly what you meant. :-))

You are quite right though, as a lot of builders of this model do paint the whole of the botton in white, so any wood would do in that case.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 05, 2011, 04:30:45 PM
Very subtle and nicely executed those spray rails.. be interesting to see how much difference they make. If I need them I am going to have to retrofit, which will be painful. But to be honest my boat will be 95% display/ 5% use so I'll have to live with it unless I want to undo more varnish.

Got my brass rudders soldered up - it was the flux all right, swapped it and the job was simplicity itself.
Hi Colin thanks for the comment.

I may be wrong and maybe the model doesn't need the hardening of the chines, belt and braces I suppose.

By the way, can you post your motors, propellers and ESC's setup because I know several potential builder of the Amati kit would like to know this ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on November 05, 2011, 04:31:36 PM
but... I saw many, many Rivas Aquaramas, Super Aquaramas, Aquarama special, Tritone, etc... outside water this week, and they all have the hull painted in white AND blue or dark red... as you can see a little bit on the pictures I posted earlier.

I saw also before that many modelers painted the whole of the bottom in white, but they should not... %)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on November 05, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
I am also very interested with information about propellers, motors, ESC's to use with this boat, I am about to start the building of the same kit shortly and I find it difficult today to find out exactly which motors to use for example...

I am following various threads and I am learning as model builders post how they progress, this is a huge help for me.

I have found nice shafts and propellers from Raboesh, the propellers are 3 blades of course, 35mm, and have a pitch of 35.9

I was told to get motors which would have about 900kv, but I find it very difficult to find such motors. The only ones I have on my list which have a reasonable size are the ones ukmike found, the Turnigy 540. However, on the Hobbywing web site, the reviews on this motor aren't good.

I found neumotors 1415/2Y, but they are at 1100kv, and are quite long.... quite heavy... and 4  or 5 times the cost of the Turnigy..

and the worse think, I am not sure about exactly how much kv I should take, so all the advice which can be provided is really welcomed !!!  %%

Charles
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 05, 2011, 04:50:01 PM
I am also very interested with information about propellers, motors, ESC's to use with this boat, I am about to start the building of the same kit shortly and I find it difficult today to find out exactly which motors to use for example...

I am following various threads and I am learning as model builders post how they progress, this is a huge help for me.

I have found nice shafts and propellers from Raboesh, the propellers are 3 blades of course, 35mm, and have a pitch of 35.9

I was told to get motors which would have about 900kv, but I find it very difficult to find such motors. The only ones I have on my list which have a reasonable size are the ones ukmike found, the Turnigy 540. However, on the Hobbywing web site, the reviews on this motor aren't good.

I found neumotors 1415/2Y, but they are at 1100kv, and are quite long.... quite heavy... and 4  or 5 times the cost of the Turnigy..

and the worse think, I am not sure about exactly how much kv I should take, so all the advice which can be provided is really welcomed !!!  %%



Charles
Charles.

The reviews of the Turnigy motors are mostly when they were used in aircraft, inrunners are not suited to aircraft use, best used for marine applications.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on November 05, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
That's O.K. F1

Just a little leg pull, knew exactly what you meant. :-))

You are quite right though, as a lot of builders of this model do paint the whole of the botton in white, so any wood would do in that case.

No worries
abit of banter goes along way  :D

For motors you could look at leopard,scorpion,Neu,castle all good quality but then theres the cost and the for esc,swordfish,scorpion,castle,turnigy/seawing
i run Leopard motors and swordfish esc with no issues at all,also run scorpion outrunners aswell with good results
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 05, 2011, 06:15:16 PM

I saw also before that many modelers painted the whole of the bottom in white, but they should not... %)

Good observation - they are white down to the chine though, along the full length and round the stern, so from most angles you only see the white. Hard to be 100% sure, but if you look at the internet there is certainly evidence that most of these craft had a coloured panel down there, and mostly red it seems (I originally thought it was unpainted mahogany). There is a line on the Amati drawing to suggest the split actually. Still, there are greater problems to worry about on this model...
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 05, 2011, 07:09:32 PM

By the way, can you post your motors, propellers and ESC's setup because I know several potential builder of the Amati kit would like to know this ?

Mike.

Hmm, well I am not sure my experience counts for much as none of my boats have seen a pond yet! Actually I am lying a little - I did some trials with my Bluebird of Chelsea which looked beautiful on the water but was already sitting slightly below the scale water line - that after I'd followed David Metcalf's notes on displacement to the letter, and still with a bunch of other finishing fittings (more weight) to be added. 
But anyway, my approach for the Riva is as follows, so far:

1. I am (sort of) using the Amati transmission kit (comes with noisy plastic gearboxes and twin 540's I think. Cannot see branding on the motors. I reckon they are too big anyway...)
2. ESC is an Action Electronics Mixer (P94 I think)  - this thing is very twitchy to set up, very hard to get both props running together and stopped together. But anyway, I threw good money at it, so it stays for the moment.
3. Rudders - I was using the ones from the trans kit but they are a bit hefty so I also made some brass ones that look a lot sleeker - I can swap them easily and see if they make any difference on the water, but when the boat is back on display gathering dust, it can have the brass ones on it for keeps! I moved the rudders back 10mm (with internal modifications), to give me more room for bigger props and to better match the 'display position' for the rudders.
4. Props - the plastic ones supplied in the trans kit may work well but boy are they ugly, I replaced them with twin handed 3 blade Raboesch, yes I think they were the 35mm ones.
5. Prop supports are brass struts 'Araldited' deep into the hull, with silver soldered bronze bushes. They are supposed to take the shaft reaction, so they are reasonably beefy. A bit of a gamble, but with adjustment the thrust could be taken up by the gearbox bearing, not the motor itself because of the layout.
6. Prop shafts (4mm) - the props run exposed outside the hull and through the bronze bushes; the shaft tubes are ground back flush with the hull line and will be painted so that they cannot be seen. There are very small bronze bushings pushed just out of sight inside these tubes. 
7.  I have shortened the trans kit gearbox propshaft output itself to suit the arrangement -  with the motors mounted in place under the seat, the gearbox shafts pass to a pair of Huco couplings and then out to the props shafts themselves through the hull.

If it works at all, I'll be amazed!! Should look good though which is my primary concern to be honest. If it doesn't sink on the lake and can idle along besides the odd yacht and generic tug at Maldon, I'll be more than happy.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 16, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Hello All.

In my attempt to faithfully reproduce this beautiful boat I have lost sight of the basic reason that I started it.

It seems that no two examples are the same, every one has been restored at some point so there is not a true representation of the original and I have looked at hundreds of pictures of them.

Therefore, this build will now become MY restoration build. I will still try reproduce the basic attributes of the original but keep in mind from now on that the finished model will be, (and was always intended to be), a gift to my 2 beautiful grandsons.

The Amati kit ever more disappoints me as I progress through the build, especially the supplied seats and upholstery, these are truly a disaster. The rest of the accessories are not to bad but do require a fair degree work on them.

I have even had to send a couple of parts away for re chroming, just to make them usable.

I intend to correct the problems with the seats and upholstery and use as many of the supplied accessories as possible, this will make progress very slow so there will be no new posts here for a little while.

I haven't abandoned this thread and will resurrect it from time to time to keep all interested parties up to date with the build.

Stay well everyone.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 16, 2011, 02:31:27 PM

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Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 16, 2011, 03:45:52 PM
Hello All.

In my attempt to faithfully reproduce this beautiful boat I have lost sight of the basic reason that I started it.

It seems that no two examples are the same, every one has been restored at some point so there is not a true representation of the original and I have looked at hundreds of pictures of them.

Therefore, this build will now become MY restoration build. I will still try reproduce the basic attributes of the original but keep in mind from now on that the finished model will be, (and was always intended to be), a gift to my 2 beautiful grandsons.

The Amati kit ever more disappoints me as I progress through the build, especially the supplied seats and upholstery, these are truly a disaster. The rest of the accessories are not to bad but do require a fair degree work on them.

I have even had to send a couple of parts away for re chroming, just to make them usable.

I intend to correct the problems with the seats and upholstery and use as many of the supplied accessories as possible, this will make progress very slow so there will be no new posts here for a little while.

I haven't abandoned this thread and will resurrect it from time to time to keep all interested parties up to date with the build.

Stay well everyone.

Mike.






mike just enjoy the build and enjoy boating with your grandsons. Dont try to hard and take fun out of the build or it will ruin the hobby for you, which is what its all about.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 16, 2011, 04:19:34 PM


mike just enjoy the build and enjoy boating with your grandsons. Dont try to hard and take fun out of the build or it will ruin the hobby for you, which is what its all about.

You are quite right Mike.

Lost my way a little, perfection in my case isn't achievable.

This is going to be  finished to the best of my ability but allways keeping in mind the original purpose of the build, simple may be best.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 16, 2011, 06:23:04 PM
The loss of daylight hours doesn't help enthusiasm I find. I've ground to a halt completely... 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 16, 2011, 07:07:06 PM
I think youve done a great job to be honest. i think the dash and the seats look brilliant. they actually look comfy :}
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 19, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
This may be of some interest, especially Mad Mike as we have discussed the pro's and con's of cooling fans previously.  ok2

A simple Plenum Chamber positively pressurised to extract any hot air from the, "Engine Room". Not scale I know but this is my restoration after all.  O0

I have made provision for preventing normal amounts of water ingress from the cockpit area but obviously it won't cope with buckets full .

There's a perfect sump already in the FWD cockpit where the grating sits.

Some photo's.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 19, 2011, 11:36:24 AM
its not that i was against the use of cooling fans, its something used reguly. i use car esc's for my boats and people will disagree with that. All i was pointing out was why use fans when a few bits of pipe and a water scoop would do the job sufficiently? its a lot simpler, cheaper, not likely to go wrong, you wont need to worry about what ingress at all and if there is it wont damage anything. Do as you wish its your boat :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 19, 2011, 11:41:26 AM
its not that i was against the use of cooling fans, its something used reguly. i use car esc's for my boats and people will disagree with that. All i was pointing out was why use fans when a few bits of pipe and a water scoop would do the job sufficiently? its a lot simpler, cheaper, not likely to go wrong, you wont need to worry about what ingress at all and if there is it wont damage anything. Do as you wish its your boat :-))

Just a leg pull Mike, no more than that.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 19, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
only a bit of banter :}
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 19, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
These are things that I had already started but until I receive items that I have on order I thought that I may as well finish.

The wiper blades do need trimming I know.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on November 19, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Hi Mike

I've got an old fifties Hales Spraymaster to work on / change around, and I'm hoping to find some inspiration in your build - I'm just off to post number 1 and a nice long read of your build  :}

Regards Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 26, 2011, 07:19:12 PM
Hello All.

Am modifying the model a little in an attempt to prevent spray from entering the hull and also to make it an awful lot easier to access the rear of the boat.

Have moved the rudder servo position forward 1 frame and opened the access to the port rudder tubes and cooling water intakes.

Have modified the Sundeck hatch floor so that I can fit a closed cell neoprene seal around the ply to make this water tight.

I hope that by hardening up the chine and making it into a continuous spray rail , this may divert an awful lot of the spray into the boat that these models seem to suffer from.

Also, following hours of practice with my 5 quid sewing machine , I am going to alter the Sundeck and Cockpit coaming upholstery also the seats , will post some pics when complete.

Here are a few photo's.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 26, 2011, 07:23:01 PM
Forgot to say.

The seat squab has been re shaped and is still waiting for me to make the new covering.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 26, 2011, 09:38:21 PM
Interesting stuff Mike. Have you had to move the servo forwards to help you with your water cooling strategy then?

Also, what are the different colours on that exposed seat squab - the white and black sections?

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 27, 2011, 08:54:26 AM
Interesting stuff Mike. Have you had to move the servo forwards to help you with your water cooling strategy then?

Also, what are the different colours on that exposed seat squab - the white and black sections?

Hi Colin.

The different colours are because there are 3 types of foam, each with different densities, the white is the hardest with the main black one medium and the little end black bits are the softest.

The final covering will have a layer of 2mm soft foam glued to it then fitted permanently.

I've made a test piece of the faux leather covering and it seems to work well enough, holds it's shape perfectly.

I am struggling with the sewing tho', a sewing machine must be one of the most complicated devices ever made, I can get perfect top stitches with birds nests underneath

or perfect stitching underneath with birds nests on top coupled with constant thread breaking. The thing defies all logic.

Still, there is no rush to finish so I will get there eventually.

I moved the servo fwd. so that I could remove some of the ply to make more access to the water pickups and rudder posts.

Mike.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 27, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
As I mentioned before, I moved my rudder posts rearward about 10mm, and convinced myself I could get to them before I planked the hull and finished the deck. Well, access is certainly not easy at all. I have a real fight to get the washers and nuts and bolts in place down there.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 27, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
Hello each.

Have been working on the hatch in the Sundeck in an attempt to make it water tight.

In the kit all of the corners are left open which was asking for trouble, especially as this model is prone to chucking large amounts of water into this space.

Have sealed all the way around the sides and modified the area where the ply hatch sits, adding a lip that allowed me to fit a soft silicone tube seal all around

The hatch cover is now fixed with 2 countersunk M3 machine screws into tee nuts underneath, Amati made no provision of any kind to either stop water ingress or to fix the hatch cover.

So that I only needed 2 fixing screws I deliberately introduced a double bow, (warp) into the ply cover. A negative one in the fore and aft plane and a positive one in the port /stbd plane making the fixing screws the apex of the bows.

Seams to work O.K.  Will have to do something to stop water entering via the rear hatch but this I think will be a little more difficult.

It is now an awful lot easier to get access to the port side rudder tube and water pickup point since I re located the rudder servo and removed the unnecessary plywood

Have a look and see what you think.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on November 27, 2011, 08:51:35 PM
looks good, very good infact!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on November 28, 2011, 03:59:45 PM
very nice mike. looks pro!! :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on November 30, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
Hello

This post is probably of more interest to Colin ( turbinecolin) or anyone else building or contemplating building the Amati Aquarama.

I have had to modify the waterproofing of the rear hatch because the manufactures of this, ( not cheap ), kit has given no thought to the possibility of water entering at this point.

I have had to modify the construction of the rear hatch seating to effect a watertight seal,. This has proved very difficult at the almost finished stage and would have been very easy earlier in the construction, before the deck was fitted.

Anyway, here are a couple of pictures to show what I have done to solve the problem, the closed cell Neoprene has yet to be glued in place.

A 2 mm machine screw through the pennant staff socket will fix the rear, with the same through the shower outlet, (how posh is that ?) will sort out the front.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 02, 2011, 06:25:57 PM
Hello everyone.

Regarding the post earlier where I moaned about the quality of the mushroom vents, which were in fact supposed to represent the fuel filler caps.

I sent them off for re-plating and polishing, here are some some photos of the finished items. An improvement I think you will agree.

All for 5 quid.

A question, I need some soft foam rubber to allow me to continue with the new upholstery that I am trying to do.

I need a piece 4mm x about 300mm x 600mm. Light in colour so that I can mark the positions for the sewing.

Can anyone help, I have asked my very good friend in France the same question.

Some photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on December 03, 2011, 09:00:25 AM
Those chrome parts look better.

I love the rear hatch, one of my favourite parts of the boat.
Mine is quite a tight fit, I am not sure how much water will get past it but I need to run a test.  To start with it didn't fit at all, but I brought the boat back into the house at the end of the season (from the workshop outside, too damp down there really) and it has shrunk enough that the hatch slides in now. The wood moves about with moisture and temperature quite dramatically it seems.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 03, 2011, 04:22:29 PM
Hello All.

Foam rubber sorted, made it myself.

Mike.























Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 03, 2011, 05:42:12 PM
How did you do that Mike?

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 03, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
How did you do that Mike?

Dave
Hello Dave.

Due to the absence of any help here, I bought a block of 75 mm thick  x 400 wide x  mm x 600 mm long foam rubber , ( none fire retardant, the fire retardant stuff is rubbish ), then cut slices 3 to 4 mm wide on my ancient Burgess band saw.

Worked reasonably well, at least allowed me to continue with the upholstery, which will be Coffee and Cream BTW.

Will take a little while to complete but I will post some photo's of the upholstery when complete.

Mike.






Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 03, 2011, 09:09:43 PM
its not that people wont help mike in some situations people cant help. When i did my upholstery i used some old ebay packaging. just the same stuff as what your using albeit less of it. whats wromg with the current seats u have anyway?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 10:00:34 AM
its not that people wont help mike in some situations people cant help. When i did my upholstery i used some old ebay packaging. just the same stuff as what your using albeit less of it. whats wromg with the current seats u have anyway?
Hi Mike.

I know that if people could, they would. That goes without saying.

The 2 front seats are O.K. but the two parts that make up the cockpit rear bench seat didn't fit at all, not even close. Also, the seat squab has to be easily removable to access some of the gubbins that make the boat go.

As you saw in an earlier post, the Cockpit and Sundeck coaming upholstery are a disaster, maybe I've just been unlucky and received a Friday afternoon kit.

So, having to remake those two bits and also uncover the rear seat bits for re shaping I will be using the same material that I have used for the cockpit flooring, it's off white which means everything will have to be changed to suit.

Had the woodwork not turned out quite so well then I would have probably used the parts as supplied by Amati, although how I could have fitted the bench seat I have no idea.

I also prefer the more subtle colours, Cream and a sort of Coffee, rather than the gaudy blue and white, which reminds me too much of a spiv in a pair of cheap trainers.

As the cold damp weather has arrived I can't do any varnishing, as I can only work in my shed at the bottom of the garden. This gives me plenty of time to fiddle about with things like the upholstery to get them as perfect as my limited ability allows.

Griping over, take care.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 04, 2011, 10:04:59 AM
no varishing eh doh. looks like theirs nothing else for it but to move into the house  :D. You must make a video of this on the water, speaking of water have you tested it in the domestic tank yet?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
no varishing eh doh. looks like theirs nothing else for it but to move into the house  :D. You must make a video of this on the water, speaking of water have you tested it in the domestic tank yet?
Not yet Mike.

The only water that it has seen so far is my washing up liquidy spray used for closing the nail holes in the woodwork.

You've set me thinking now tho', what if instead of going forwards, it goes downwards. Think I'd better tie a bit of string to it on it's maiden.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 04, 2011, 11:30:41 AM
do a  bath test we all do just hold on thats all  :} use it to check for leaks, though i doubt you will have any, but i find its the best way to make sure that the heavy componets are sitting in the right place and that the waterline is correct.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 12:32:06 PM
do a  bath test we all do just hold on thats all  :} use it to check for leaks, though i doubt you will have any, but i find its the best way to make sure that the heavy componets are sitting in the right place and that the waterline is correct.
Will do that Mike.

Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
Those chrome parts look better.

I love the rear hatch, one of my favourite parts of the boat.
Mine is quite a tight fit, I am not sure how much water will get past it but I need to run a test.  To start with it didn't fit at all, but I brought the boat back into the house at the end of the season (from the workshop outside, too damp down there really) and it has shrunk enough that the hatch slides in now. The wood moves about with moisture and temperature quite dramatically it seems.
Hi Colin.

You are quite right, the wood expands quite a lot whilst it's in the shed, mine also, suddenly my hatch doesn't fit ant more.

Brought it into the house,( sneaked it in actually), hopefully it will shrink a little.

This site is great, don't you think. You can get help, silly suggestions and even thoroughly usefull information from builders far more advanced than we two. ?

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on December 04, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
Totally agree Mike, it is a new experience building something and having others doing the same thing at the same time. I really look forward to the updates on the various threads going on at the moment.

I tried my Riva in the bath by the way to assess the waterline situation. Even weighed up with the all the fixtures and fittings temporarily taped in position, and the RC equip and batteries fully on board, it still sits a bit too high at the stern and the bow is too low. Fortunately a little ballast positioned right over the rudders 'rotates' the boat back to the correct waterline. Meanwhile I have a split along the bottom of the hull V, I think from the water penetrating, but it could also be owing to the central heating. Not a disaster as it will be painted eventually, but these teething problems keep occurring.

I also had a real annoyance with my RC, a glitch that had the whole system shut down on me for no reason during testing - turned out to be a faulty switch for the receiver batteries - it was really tricky to get to as I'd buried it inside the hull before planking.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 06:53:41 PM
Colin.

Let us have some pictures of your model, I'm sure everyone would be most interested.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 04, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
Hi
I prefer posts with pictures - not only enjoyable but also useful when considering problems and options. O0
Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on December 04, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
OK, will look into it....please don't let me interrupt the build though Mike...
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 04, 2011, 08:58:11 PM
Please dive in Colin.

I'm sure everyone will be very interested in your model.

Who knows, you might end up being famous. ok2
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on December 04, 2011, 09:31:02 PM
Hi
I prefer posts with pictures - not only enjoyable but also useful when considering problems and options. O0
Dave

Yes please very helpful  O0 O0 :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 10, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
Hello All.

Varnishing on hold now until after the winter but I am starting to get to grips with the sewing machine.

After much practicing I have completed the Sundeck coamong upholstery.

It's not too bad, much more acceptable than that supplied in the kit, so I think it will do.

The cockpit next and then the seats, a big job I think.

Here are a couple pictures of the finished product.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 10, 2011, 09:32:12 PM
looks great to me. Judging by your standards the seats in the model will be better than the real thing %%
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 11, 2011, 02:33:25 PM
Made the cockpit coaming upholstery today and also sew the material for the seat squab.

I took several attempts before I was able to make reasonably satisfactory items.

Here are some photo's of the stages involved in arriving at a piece that was good enough to use. A professional machinist would have done this in a few minutes I think, instead it took me 5 hours.

I hope never to have to do this again. Fortunately, my next project after the Aquarama has no upholstery at all.

So, here are the photo's.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 11, 2011, 04:04:53 PM
Hi Mike

A lot of work there but it really does look the part. Is that upholstery a waterproof item then?

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: stevesteve on December 11, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Yeah, il second that, your boat is a real stunner!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 11, 2011, 04:42:30 PM
Hi Mike

A lot of work there but it really does look the part. Is that upholstery a waterproof item then?

Dave

Hi Dave.

The inside of the upholstery is liberally coated with a contact adhesive and the false leather is PVC so I suppose it's probably reasonably waterproof.

Must admit to having give that aspect no thought though.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 11, 2011, 04:50:25 PM

Must admit to having give that aspect no thought though

Probably best not to think too much Mike - I do think  O0 .............but as a consequence I don't achieve very much {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on December 11, 2011, 07:10:06 PM
Great work Mike, really great...
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on December 12, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
Very, very nice job Mike...  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 12, 2011, 07:28:48 PM
Hello.

Please have a look at my post in Working Vessels.

Can anyone help ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 17, 2011, 04:20:09 PM
A few hours in a very cold shed today and I managed to complete the cockpit rear seat squab.

Turned out not too badly so now I can work on the seat back.

Similar technique as the comings, the stitching isn't perfect but it's the best that I am able to do.

Some sequence pictures.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 17, 2011, 04:23:29 PM

I DO like that.   :-))     You can come over and stitch for me any time.

So realistic. She's going to look tops.

Well done.

Ken
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 17, 2011, 07:17:37 PM
NEAT ........... in more than one sense, very nice.

Loving watching this part.

Will there be another cushion between the seat and combing?

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 17, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
NEAT ........... in more than one sense, very nice.

Loving watching this part.

Will there be another cushion between the seat and combing?

Dave

Hi Dave.

There will be a seat back to fill in the space, probably do it tomorrow, depending on the outcome of my sewing of the cover, usually take several attemps to arrive at a suitable usable one.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 17, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
theres not many people who put real cushioned seats in there boats mike, have you got some carpet to go in?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 17, 2011, 08:31:33 PM
theres not many people who put real cushioned seats in there boats mike, have you got some carpet to go in?
Cheeky.  ;)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 18, 2011, 12:50:45 AM
carpet would be nice, though shame itl get soaked. i put vinyl seats in my fast electric. i had no sewing machine though so i put the sponge in then glued the seats, i started to sew them by hand but i was bending the needles trying to get it through the vinyl. Your seats look proffesional in my oppinion puts mine upholstery to shame.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 18, 2011, 03:14:28 PM
Managed to complete the seat backrest today, the covering is the best of 3 attempts, the other two were rubbish.

Also have started to remove the two little upholstered end panels next to the louvered vent, they were a little too small which left too larger a gap.

All the new upholstery is not yet fixed in place, just positioned for the pictures.

Have a look.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 18, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
ah, now I see
yesterday I thought you meant a small filler cushion, not a full back.
Spot on job that.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 19, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
Everyone, I would like your opinions.

After reading Norseman Dave's post, (thanks Dave), I have made an alternative back to the rear cockpit seating.

It's Dave'sfill in cushion idea, made with a piece of coaming offcut that I had.

Please give me our opinions as to which is the best one, the full backrest or this one? I can modify the stitching pattern if needed.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 19, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
full backrest, bit of lumber support would go a long way in a fast boat :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: aslo44 on December 19, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
Hi Mike, brilliant build really looks the job. I think in my opinion the fillet looks slightly better fit than the full backrest
for example at the corners and along the bottom where the two cushions meet. Having said that tho they both look great
Regards Alan
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: gwa84 on December 19, 2011, 03:46:43 PM
i must say i doo like the inset backrest better looks cleener  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 19, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
Hi - I like the insert because it gives more a sense of added depth  O0
having said that, the full seat was ever so good anyway  :}

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on December 19, 2011, 09:25:11 PM

Both options look good.

Seeing the consensus is evenly divided, will tip it in favour of full backrest.

That is what you would expect to sit on and also makes the model complete. :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 20, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
you need to start a poll mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on December 20, 2011, 01:10:00 PM
Nah, just take a rest  {-)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 21, 2011, 02:03:55 PM
Better fitting end panels for the rear seat base, not at all happy with the big gaps between the removeable and fixed parts so this is better I believe.

The front seats are the next job, the photo shows the supplied seats,(which will be replaced), and bases, far too high I think, not so much in the Cockpit as higher than it.

Will chop some off the seat pedestals to bring them lower, the photo shows a temp mock up of the level that I think is about right.

What say you ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 21, 2011, 02:09:17 PM
very nice, have you got any pics of the hole boat as it is atm?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 21, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
very nice, have you got any pics of the hole boat as it is atm?
Hi Mike.

I haven't but if you tell me what you would like to see then I'll post some.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 21, 2011, 02:18:03 PM
just a couple of distance shots to get some perspective of the whole model. another thing ive been scanning through your pics of you cooling box seat thingy, where does the ingress of water go to?? from what i can gather the fans lay flat on a 30 degree angle correct? do they suck air in to the boat or blow it out?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on December 21, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
Hi Mike.

The fans in the rear seat base are constantly blowing air out at an alarming rate, as are the ESC fans, the air intake is from the rear panel scoops, ( how technical is that ? ), is directed toward the front of the,(engine room),

which should, given the pressure, keep everything pleasantly warm.

My addition to the model of the substantial spray rails to the hull will hopefully not allow any water into the boat, having said that, my two grandsons,(hooligans), might do the impossible and flood the boat.
 
My son will have to deal with this, I'm far too old and tired to deal with it.

Some photos of the build so far.

The other Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on December 21, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
excellent pics thanks. i cant see the intake vents on the boat, but leave that for now im sure youl show them when its finished. I like the lengths you have gone to for heat issues, i dont think you will have that much heat really. In fact judging by the motor size to the prop size it wont be even warm lol,better be safe than sorry though. im very impressed even if it is a mega overkill cooling system.

you will be taking it out yourself before you pass it on to your grandsons? I hope they dont reck the boat, it would a terrible shame. I know what my kids are like (2, 3, 6 and 11) and they sometimes get a bit silly, beleive it or not though my youngest son is actually the most careful of them all and possibly the most careful kid ive ever met. I let him sail my slower boats when we go to the lake while other ruff'ns are at school.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 01, 2012, 02:14:15 PM
Happy New Year all.

I hope all goes well for you and yours in this comming, uncertain year.

Have made a little more of the deck upholstery, made the 3 pieces that form the cockpit surround, the next will be the Sundeck cushions which will need to be removeable may add the contrasting colour to some parts.

That will only leave the front seats which I've been putting off starting. Not looking forward to that job at all.

Here are some pictures of the 3 new pieces and then  a couple showing everything roughly taped in place.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 08, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
Hello All.

You may remember earlier in this build I said that the contrasting colour for the upholstery would be Coffee, well it definitely isn't.

I made the two Sundeck cushions this morning using the Coffee material and when put in place they looked really, really awful, couldn't bin them quick enough.

Have a look at the picture, I'm sure you'll agree.

So, all Cream it is then. To this end I made all new cushions and added a little twist that I think looks good. What do you think ?

A couple of photos of the finished Sundeck, nothing fixed yet of course.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on January 08, 2012, 02:31:22 PM
getting there  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on January 08, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
Hats of to you bud youve done an awesome job of this,looks great
hope to see some vids of it running once completed :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on January 09, 2012, 12:41:23 AM
Hi - yep I have to agree it looks great and there's no need to do more.

Just out of interest though, did you consider the centre section in coffee?
or think maybe about just coffee piping?

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 09, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Hi - yep I have to agree it looks great and there's no need to do more.

Just out of interest though, did you consider the centre section in coffee?
or think maybe about just coffee piping?

Dave
Hi Dave.

I did try a centre section using the Coffee colour but it didn't look good at all, I think it's because the decking is brown also.

Contrasting piping would be the perfect way to go but that is way beyond my skill. I struggled to sew in straight lines.

The two front seats are going to be a monumental challenge for me which I have to admit I do keep putting off.

I keep looking for other little jobs that need doing instead. If I don't think about them maybe they will go away, doubt it tho'

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: pompebled on January 21, 2012, 11:25:50 PM
Hi Mike,

Congratulations on your progress so far, very impressive!

The Raboesch props are good for slow moving scale applications, for a speedboat the blades are way too dull, which will reduce the performance considerably (to put it mildly; actually, it could drive up the powerconsumption to the point where both motors and ESC's get uncomfortably hot and the thermal circuitry will kick in... Also the speed reached won't be what you'd expect from a Riva.)

Tuning the blades by making them more aerofoil shaped, will make a big difference in performance.

I realize this is a lot of work, specially as the props will need balancing after the blades have been shaped.
An alternative would be to use carbon props from the Graupner K-series for running the boat and keep the brass ones for display.

Regards, Jan.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on January 21, 2012, 11:49:01 PM
K-series for running the boat and keep the brass ones for display

If the K ones are better then that's really a neat little trick Jan, I think that brass props do look ever so nice.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 22, 2012, 12:26:00 AM
Hi Mike,

Congratulations on your progress so far, very impressive!

The Raboesch props are good for slow moving scale applications, for a speedboat the blades are way too dull, which will reduce the performance considerably (to put it mildly; actually, it could drive up the powerconsumption to the point where both motors and ESC's get uncomfortably hot and the thermal circuitry will kick in... Also the speed reached won't be what you'd expect from a Riva.)

Tuning the blades by making them more aerofoil shaped, will make a big difference in performance.

I realize this is a lot of work, specially as the props will need balancing after the blades have been shaped.
An alternative would be to use carbon props from the Graupner K-series for running the boat and keep the brass ones for display.



Regards, Jan.

Hi Jan.

Thanks for the info but I thought that the K series were surface piercing hydro type that need to be turned at high revs, not submerged run at relatively low revs and at not very efficient angles.

I have little knowledge of model boat props but would 3 blades be better in this particular model configuration ? Any advise will be most welcome

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: pompebled on January 22, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
Hi Mike,

The K-series are Hydroprops indeed, but they can be 'abused' for subsurface drive, no problem.

In fact, you can use any prop that has a suitable blade shape, on my M.A.S. model I (tank) tested with the Graupner X-props, which are designed for subsurface use and won't turn much more than 8000 - 10.000 rpm in my set-up.
I'm aiming for 18 - 20 mph.

These props are the Graupner 455.x series:
http://www.graupner.de/de/products/1be70983-07b5-4873-80ae-f2ebea0d8f72/455.2/product.aspx
The come in different sizes and either M4, or M5 threaded inserts.

Greatest benefit over the brass 'clubs' is the fact the blades are shaped correctly and will deliver propulsion in stead of foam (and high ampdraw).

Regards, Jan.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 22, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Hi Mike,

The K-series are Hydroprops indeed, but they can be 'abused' for subsurface drive, no problem.

In fact, you can use any prop that has a suitable blade shape, on my M.A.S. model I (tank) tested with the Graupner X-props, which are designed for subsurface use and won't turn much more than 8000 - 10.000 rpm in my set-up.
I'm aiming for 18 - 20 mph.

These props are the Graupner 455.x series:
http://www.graupner.de/de/products/1be70983-07b5-4873-80ae-f2ebea0d8f72/455.2/product.aspx
The come in different sizes and either M4, or M5 threaded inserts.

Greatest benefit over the brass 'clubs' is the fact the blades are shaped correctly and will deliver propulsion in stead of foam (and high ampdraw).

Regards, Jan.


Thanks for that Jan, much appreciated.

What are your thoughts on 3 blade designs ?

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: pompebled on January 22, 2012, 11:33:53 AM
Hi Mike,

If you prefer three blade props, make sure they have the correct blade shape.

Once the boat is ready for sea trials, getting a handfull of plastic props in different sizes and making a number of testruns would be the easiest and cheapest way to figure out what's the best solution in terms of motor temperature, speed and runtime.

Once you've established that, either get the 'best' prop in brass or steel, or run plastic props and use the 'pretty ones' for display purposes.

Regards, Jan.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 26, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
Had to bite the bullet and start work on the two front seats having put it off for long enough.

Bought 3 cork sanding blocks, ( 3 bloc de ponçage en liège, Charles ) for 49p each, guessing that if they turned out to be no good for the job I wouldn't have wasted too much money.

Have just about completed the drivers seat ready for covering and roughed out the basic blocks for the double passenger seat.

The cork has proven to be perfect for the job and at little cost, just hope that I can make a good job of sewing the vinyl covering.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on January 28, 2012, 08:01:26 AM
Very nice job Mike !!!!   :-))

Dor you plan to rebuild the front seat mahogany backrests too ???

Could i ask you what are the characteristics of your batteries ?

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on January 28, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Very nice shaping - does cork carve well / sand easy / any problems working with it?
I hadn't considered doing anything with cork before (except for the vino when there's no corkscrew <:()

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 28, 2012, 10:04:34 PM
Very nice shaping - does cork carve well / sand easy / any problems working with it?
I hadn't considered doing anything with cork before (except for the vino when there's no corkscrew <:()

Dave
Hi Dave.

I cut it to an outline with a band saw and then shaped it with my home made sanding table.

Finished it off with some 400 grit paper by hand, very easy to work with, I was surprised, but does make lots of very fine powdery dust when sanding.

At £1.50 for the 3 blocks, has to be high on the list of stuff to use.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on January 31, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
Started to make and fit the seat covering which is going not too badly so far.

Took the opportunity to reduce the the overall height of the seats as those supplied in the kit are too high, they stand way above the cockpit sides and look quite silly, (my personal opinion).

I will also have to reduce the height of the seat bases a little to achieve the correct height, this will be quite easy tho'.

A couple of pictures showing the progress so far, also the material marked out for the cushion stitching.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: NigelW on February 01, 2012, 09:19:26 AM
It has to be said Mike, there are some stunning builds on this forum and yours is up there with the best of them. Inspiration to the rest of us mere mortals! I'd love to know where you find the time! Keep the pictures coming.

On the props front, I'm no expert but have you considered prop shop? They're not cheap but they seem to have a prop for every possible application. I actually used George Sitek for my Dutch Courage as they look good and were good value but I think for your application they're worthy of spending the extra for best performance combined with scale appearance..

Nigel
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on February 01, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
awesome skills you got there mike!!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
Almost finished the seats , just the double passenger one to complete. Cleaning up of excess contact adhesive to be done now.

Making seats is a job that I wouldn't like to take on again. I hated the blue/white upholstery supplied in the kit, not only because of the colour, but the majority of the pieces were a really poor fit.

The pictures show the sequence, ( not necessarily in order ) and the final seat along side the Amati one. My seat is the one on the left.

I think that the supplied seat in the kit is better than mine but this is a one off so hopefully I will not have to do it again.

I like the Amati seat, but I also like my seat, which is best ? Only one way to find out, FIGHT !!!!

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
Will post some pics of the other seat tomorrow
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on February 01, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
from the pictures i think your seat is as good as the amati one. there are lot of threads on all kinds of boat construction but i think this is the only thread on soft furnashings. If thats the correct word.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
from the pictures i think your seat is as good as the Amati one. there are lot of threads on all kinds of boat construction but i think this is the only thread on soft furnashings. If thats the correct word.

Thanks for that Mike.

Let me know if you if you need a new settee or maybe a set of curtains. :-) :-)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on February 01, 2012, 08:03:56 PM
did you ever make that radio to go in your model?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 08:15:16 PM
did you ever make that radio to go in your model?

Decided against it Mike, had to draw the line somewhere, after all, when the model is finally finished and proved on the water it will be passed to my 2 Grandsons.

It's my first foray into model boat building, after having to give up my RC aircraft due to failing eyesight but I have a boat project for myself waiting following this one.

Were it mine, then I would have tried to do more scale finishing, but it was always intended for the boys, (hooligans). 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 01, 2012, 08:16:18 PM
Let me know if you if you need a new settee or maybe a set of curtains. :-) :-)

I would like a sofa like Mike, if you could just run me one up  {-)

Re chair - the Amati in the photo looks a little bit ill fitting at the bottom on each side
whereas yours is quite crisp.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
I would like a sofa like Mike, if you could just run me one up  {-)

Re chair - the Amati in the photo looks a little bit ill fitting at the bottom on each side
whereas yours is quite crisp.

Dave

Can't help there Dave.

The last one I made went like a pig even after fitting a 200 Evinrude.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 01, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
It has to be said Mike, there are some stunning builds on this forum and yours is up there with the best of them. Inspiration to the rest of us mere mortals! I'd love to know where you find the time! Keep the pictures coming.

On the props front, I'm no expert but have you considered prop shop? They're not cheap but they seem to have a prop for every possible application. I actually used George Sitek for my Dutch Courage as they look good and were good value but I think for your application they're worthy of spending the extra for best performance combined with scale appearance..

Nigel
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Thanks for the kind comments Nigel.

I think my efforts pale into insignificance compared with some of the beautiful scratch builds on this site. that is true skill.

Will give PropShop a look tho', thanks.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on February 01, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
if this model is a rough one for "hooligans" as you yourself have said then what will a good one look like lol.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 02, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
A picture of the near completed seats as promised, they are not too bad but as my schoolreport often said, "could have done better".

I need to fit the fold away seat back trays, the smaller of the Mahogany profiles together with the grated bases, varnishing in progress.

I am also going to add to the lower back of the seats an elasticated mesh for keeping newspapers / magazines etc. with Mahogany surrounds.

They are the larger of the 2, not yet cut to size. Have included a picture of a car example to show what I mean.

The elastic netting will be made from a pair of Fish Net tights from Wilco, unfortunately the assistant wouldn't  model them for me but for 2 quid what do you expect.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 02, 2012, 08:22:37 PM
they are not too bad but as my schoolreport often said, "could have done better".

unfortunately the assistant wouldn't  model them for me but for 2 quid what do you expect.

Re quality Mike - you need to stop being so modest -this is all gorgeous work and the upholstery is amazing.
I'm learning a lot from you and getting ideas too.

Re assistant - it might have helped a lot if it had been a female assistant  O0 {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: MikeA on February 02, 2012, 10:32:48 PM
considering it wasnt long ago you bought the sewing machine and didnt know where to start. You have just made furnature which in my oppinion is an incredible achiement, give yourself a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 06, 2012, 05:06:31 PM
Seats just about complete now, there's a little damage to the lower back left side that needs fixing, (superglued my finger to it !!).

Have made the netting and frame for the drivers seat but I'm not happy with the way it looks so probably won't fit it. The passenger seat netting frame needs the cut ends finishing and varnishing.

Also, a couple of pictures of the cockpit with the seats laid in place, can't decide which rear seat back to use but it's not particularly important yet.

Just noticed that I have bent the Aquarama nameplate on the dash, luckily I have a spare, best leave fitting it until the boat is finished I think.

Some photos although nothing is yet fitted, just laid in place for the pictures.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 06, 2012, 05:35:40 PM
What a smashing pair of details - both winners for my money.
............... and I am said to be very tight  O0

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on February 06, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
Mike,

Now that the upholstery is in position, it looks to me that the "cabin Lining" is missing a "pleat" (stitching) in the back corner, which is accentuated by the rear seat which ever seat back option, you choose.

Or is it an optical illusion, camera shot??
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 07, 2012, 07:35:48 AM
The back seat looks fine - I think it is the pleating on the combing (coaming?) that is out of alignment by one pleat.
I hadn't noticed it until you set me looking for what you meant.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: stevesteve on February 10, 2012, 04:22:16 AM
the back cushion is slightly to the left, theres not a pleat missing, 9 on both sides. nobody noticed until it was mentioned and it does not notice.
the boat is absolutely stunning and something to be real proud of
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on February 10, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
the back cushion is slightly to the left, theres not a pleat missing, 9 on both sides. nobody noticed until it was mentioned and it does not notice.
the boat is absolutely stunning and something to be real proud of

Without getting into an argument and not being destructive but constructive, I beg to differ.

 Yes the boat is indeed stunning, but there is one less large pane, fold, pleat, call it what you will from the front of the boat, the windscreen to the back, on the "padding” around the inside edge of cockpit. Namely 10 and 11 but I need glasses.

If it is not noticeable how can it be seen? It is clearer if you Refer to post number 258 and photo CMIG0395

I have been avidly following this fantastic build as have others and did not notice/missed the “error" until the seats were temporarily in situ.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on February 10, 2012, 08:26:10 AM
Like you say it's not noticeable until someone points it out.

Now I see it it's obvious but until you guys mentioned it I never noticed it
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 10, 2012, 02:23:46 PM
No you don't notice - but after being pointed out you see 'something'
I could be wrong but it looks like a tweak in the alignment is all thats needed.
Either way Mike is hands on so he can tell us - and we don't need to argue.

I'll say it again - the boat is lovely and also the upholstery is fantastic. I have
learnt a lot on Mikes build. :-))

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 10, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
Hello.

Point taken about the misalignment in the coming stitching, I did know about it but was naive enough to think that it would escape your notice. No so.

It certainly has fooled my Grandsons, but then again they are only 7yrs old.

So, I am going to make a new part with the last remaining piece of fabric that I have left, hopefully it will be better.

Here is the fabric marked out for sewing, should be somewhat better.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on February 10, 2012, 09:40:24 PM
Mike,

Is it possible to "insert" two small stitching's instead of making a new piece.

So long as the pleats are balanced/even they don't necessarily need to align with the seat pleating.

But it's your boat and your the boss.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 11, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
Here it is finished, this will have to do as I don't have any more fabric left.

Same technique as before really, the foam fingers are cut too long so that it's easier to hold and place them on the pre glued backing, contact glue so only you only get one go.

Once fixed then it's simple to trim the excess with sharp scissors.  The seat base and back are glued as one piece now so that they can be removed as one.

It was totally impossible to re work the first piece, I did look hard for a way to be able to use it though.

Some pictures for you to scrutinise  :-) , please don't point out any faults that will require re making as I said earlier all the fabric has gone now so will have to live with them.

Any other suggestions most welcome.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on February 11, 2012, 03:33:29 PM
Truly great work Mike  :-))
Inspirational really.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on February 11, 2012, 04:00:07 PM
Thanks Dave, much appriciated.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: RaaArtyGunner on February 11, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Mike,

Brilliant, if that doesn't deserve 10 out of 10, nothing will. :-)) :-)) :-))

Looks exceptionally good to me. O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on March 21, 2012, 03:56:36 PM
Hello all.

At last the temps are beginning to rise so I will start to varnish the boat shortly.

I intend to do 3 coats with 24 hrs drying time between coats then cut back with 400 grit.

3 more of the same but with 800 grit and then 3 more with 1000 grit. All dry.

The final coats will be 3 more coats with 24 hours between coats with 1200 grit used wet and then a final cut with cutting compound.

My question is this...  T-Cut won't do it, I've tried it, so what is the best cutting compound for use on non synthetic varnish to achieve a mirror finish ?

Any suggestions will be most welcome.

BTW, it will be hand done as I don't have any polishing machines.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on March 28, 2012, 04:18:11 PM
Hi All.

Apparently, after talking to both Farecla and the 3M tech Dept's. it's not at all a good idea to use cutting compound on varnishes made of natural oils.
Two pack is O.K. but not old fashioned varnishes. Will have to take extra care with the brush applied coats then !.

Have opened up the Shed and started to continue with the Aquarama build, some pics of the progress so far.
Varnishing time has arrived so that's the next job.

I hope that opening the cockpit hatch to the battery / motor compartment for every re charge will not be necessary, hence the screws.
Everything should be able to be done via the Sundeck hatch.
Have secured the rear hatch with magnets, seems O.K.

The accessories are just laid in place for photo purposes.
Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 01, 2012, 12:53:07 PM
Almost ready for varnishing now, final sanding done and daytime temps are O.K.

Decided that it would be best to coat the whole boat in one go rather than one half, let dry then the other half.

To this end I've made a,"Varnishing Jig", this allows me to do the bottom and sides then flip over to do the deck.

Should do the trick !! Hopefully.

Some photos.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on April 01, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
That's looking smashing Mike....and the jig's really clever too.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 01, 2012, 01:51:42 PM
That's looking smashing Mike....and the jig's really clever too.

Thanks.

Think I'll fit a couple of stretchers, just to tie the two jigs together, they are a bit wobbly at the moment.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 09, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
Hello.

2 coats of varnish so far, it's still soaking into the planking but I think the next coats will start to build up now.

Haven't flatted it yet, that's the next job, probably do it dry.

It did have the third coat but somehow I managed to contaminate parts of the deck with grease, I think through touching it from time to time to see of it was dry.

This caused the wet varnish to be repelled into dry lines and circles, managed to wipe it all off with some kitchen roll soaked in Turpentine, all seems O.K. now

Lesson learned, but then, dropped one of the metal G cramps onto the rear deck, fortunately just damage to the still soft varnish and not the wood, easily put right thankfully.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on April 09, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
Ooohhhh....shiney.......I like it!  :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 14, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
Two more coats following wet and dry sanding

Have found problems with the Le Tonk varnish which apparently they are aware of, apparently, the gloss is so high that it is essential that any glaze is removed

before the next coat is applied. This manifests itself by the wet coat splitting from the previous coat, very much like grease or wax  contamination.

They are blaming this on E.U. regulations regarding the change of chemicals allowed in the manufacture !!.

I am de glazing using neat white spirit and 0000 grade wire wool, seams to be working O.K.

Lots more coats needed yet but this is proving to be the most difficult stage of the build, and the most critical.

Some photos of coats 3 and 4.

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 16, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
Hello All.

Please tell me if this build is becoming boring.
 
I know that the varnishing stage is a little repetitious but I thought that it may be of some value to you chaps who are contemplating a varnish finish.

After 6 coats the glaze is just unbelievable, can you have too much shine ?

If the procedure is followed for using LeTonkinois varnish then I would defy any one to better it.

Epifanes, Stoppani, and any other exotic, ( expensive  finishes), no where near close.

Will continue to post more pics if it will be of continuing interest, please let me know.

Last thing that I want to do is to become boring.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: CJ1 on April 16, 2012, 07:46:31 PM
Boring? You must be joking. That is looking fabulous.
What are you applying the varnish with, i.e. what sort of brush? and what are you cleaning with, tack cloths?
Chris
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 16, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
Boring? You must be joking. That is looking fabulous.
What are you applying the varnish with, i.e. what sort of brush? and what are you cleaning with, tack cloths?
Chris




Hi Chris.

The brush is a cheap 3/4 inch Artists one from Staples the office supplies store, £1.85 I think and yes, you are right, after a wipe over with White Spirit then a good wipe with a Tack Cloth.The next coat is then brushed on.
  
Two coats, then followed by a wet and dry sanding with 400 grit waterproof paper lubricated with a little washing up liquid in warm water.

No pics of the 6th coat yet but I will be changing to 800 grit for the next sanding.

Thanks for the encouragement, will keep the pics coming.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on April 17, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
and this is fior your grandkids? can't wait to see when you really put some effort in for you own build lol

400 grit sounded a bit coarse for sanding varnish layers to me, BUT judging by the finish you are acheiving I am completely wrong.

Keep up the good work
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 18, 2012, 08:21:31 AM
Hi

Pictures of 7th coat, full gloss reached now I think, the next few coats will only add thickness.

The surface is now perfectly level,  just a couple of small sags here and there but these will be removed after wet and dry sanding.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on April 18, 2012, 09:05:11 AM
Very very nice.... Im jealous
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on April 18, 2012, 09:40:44 AM
ooh its nearly finished dead exciting  %%
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: dreadnought72 on April 18, 2012, 10:28:33 AM
Boring? Not a bit. Utterly stunning, more like.

Though were it mine, I could never put it on the water if there was a risk of bumping it!  :D

Andy
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 18, 2012, 11:23:00 AM
Boring? Not a bit. Utterly stunning, more like.

Though were it mine, I could never put it on the water if there was a risk of bumping it!  :D

Andy

Thanks Andy.

I fear it will get quite a few bumps once handed over to my hooligan grandsons, (they're not really), good lads both of them.


Mad Mike.

Longtime no hear, are you well ?

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on April 18, 2012, 06:09:52 PM
yeah im fine. I havent commented on your thread since the meltdown so i dont get the updates for it. Im waiting for this boat to be finished, what im really looking forward to though is your interpetation of that venice ferry thing your gonna do with the fibire optic destination panel. Are you going to design the hull your self?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on April 18, 2012, 08:32:58 PM
Hi Mike,
Excellent work there, that LeTonkinois seems to be the varnish of choice on all these builds. How is the drying time and what are you doing about dust? Looks really terrific.

I too was in the site meltdown. Most frustrating.

Not done anything on my Riva since last year around November time. After I bought the boat in from the workshop the whole thing spent the winter moving around, the wood drying out I presume - I have some massive cracks in my varnish and the wood has split - rather fed up about it to be honest- the whole inlaid foredeck has taken a couple of big hits to it, which is virtually impossible to make an invisible repair to. In fact, the repairs are going to take quite a bit of skill, more so than I spent laying the entire deck in the first place I reckon!

I was using a two-pack trade furniture varnish which has the advantage it can be sprayed, dries fairly quickly, and can be cut with polishes and generally played around with like paint until it looks like a mirror. But unfortunately it wasn't able to cope with the amount of shrinkage going on, in fact it was rubbish at that and I wish I'd stayed with a conventional varnish.  It was all starting to look quite well too. Cursed British damp!

Almost on the home straight now Mike?


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 18, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
Hello Colin.

The LeTonk, being an oil based varnish takes at least 24 hours before any rubbing down can be done. Always stays relatively flexible so that the wood can move about if it wants to.

Unfortunately, unlike the old recipe which you could apply a second coat before rubbing down, the current one has to be de glazed between coats which slows the progress somewhat.

As for dust specs, it isn't possible to totally stop them and frustratingly the finish can't be cut back with compound, unlike 2 pack.

I may try some non Ammonia very fine cutting paste, but at £20 a throw I also may not.

It would probably need to be machine applied anyway and I think the model would be too small for that.

Sad to hear about yours though, I wouldn't like to take on the repairs that are needed.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on April 18, 2012, 10:28:01 PM

Well, I am being patient with it. I always believe 'model-make in haste, repent at leisure', and this has certainly been a good time to step back a bit and work on other projects. The Airfix kits have had a good airing. And I've been playing a lot of snooker!

Noticing there are several internet Riva builds going on and we've all been stopped by the northern hemisphere winter. I find that quite amusing. All coming out of hibernation again now.

Colin
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on April 24, 2012, 09:20:39 PM
Hi Mike

Just found you again post meltdown
Looking great isn't she.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on April 25, 2012, 06:28:13 AM
Maybe we should have a competition for the MBM's shiniest woodwork  O0
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 25, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Hi All.

After 10 coats it's not possible to improve on the finish, the only problem that I have now is the very small dust specs that are settling onto the still wet varnish.
 
I think that it's not going to be possible to totally eliminate these, given that I'm varnishing in our kitchen.

Does anyone know, or have any idea as to how I can cut the finished coat back to remove the dust specs.
 
Given that the Le Tonkinois varnish is a naturaly  soft finish, T-Cut, no, Toothpaste , no, 2500 paper, no.

Tried everything that I can think of, without luck.

Any ideas ? A photo of the 10th coat.

Mike.




Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on April 25, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
Hi

A bit late for this build but maybe for your next one - http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html
or something of that type. Sort of grab the dust out of the airn pre varnishing. What do you think?

Oh - yes I want to see the Venitian Waterbus build start too - that's another one I lost in the meltdown  {:-{

Dave

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 25, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Hi

A bit late for this build but maybe for your next one - http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html
or something of that type. Sort of grab the dust out of the airn pre varnishing. What do you think?

Oh - yes I want to see the Venitian Waterbus build start too - that's another one I lost in the meltdown  {:-{

Dave



Hi Dave.

Happy machine, how good would that be ?

Vaporetto build, probably later this year, have most of the bits to start and a lot less precise than the Riva.

A build thread, maybe, will do if there will be any interest. It will be for me this time, first and possibly the last.

Who knows ?

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on April 25, 2012, 09:56:17 PM
Mike, is it worth letting it really set for a good long time, (and it could well be a few weeks), then trying again with the cutting?

Looks jolly marvellous by the way.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on April 26, 2012, 12:08:39 AM
use brasso!! when i was school we worked with some perspex and after filing wet n dry we finally polished up the rough edgess with brasso. turned out like a mirror.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 28, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
15th and final coat of La Tonkinois, I don't think any more are needed now.

I think it's reasonable enough , still have the inevitable dust specs to deal with but have worked out how to remove these after the varnish has hardened, two or three weeks maybe.

You are right Colin, the harder the better for any retro work, thanks.

At least it will give me a change and a chance to finalise the interior, upholstery and deck fittings.

Couple of photo's

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on April 28, 2012, 11:34:29 PM
hey mike find this the other day and thought hmmm:

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/info_1_730.html
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 29, 2012, 07:47:27 AM
hey mike find this the other day and thought hmmm:

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/info_1_730.html

Hi Mike.

Thanks for the link, that's the one that I have the plans for.
 
£210 is a little much but will have a search, see if it can be sourced at a little better price, a kit would certainly save an awful lot of work.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on April 29, 2012, 09:14:57 PM
Hi Mike

Where did you get offered the best deal on your LeTonkinois varnish and did you have to buy anything else with it please?
Oh, and how much did you use too? - erm coverage type question.

Thanks Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 30, 2012, 07:19:07 AM
Hi Mike

Where did you get offered the best deal on your LeTonkinois varnish and did you have to buy anything else with it please?
Oh, and how much did you use too? - erm coverage type question.

Thanks Dave

Hi Dave.
I got the varnish from Brian @ letonkinoisvarnish.co.uk   500ml  £12 plus £3.50 post.
I also bought a box of tack cloths locally from the Crown/Dulux trade centre together with a bottle of Rustins Turpentine.
All 15 coats on the boat plus some scrap test pieces and I have only used about half of the tin.

Hope that helps.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 04, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
Here's the "New Look" Riva.  :((

Because I have to make provision for the fitting of the two metal bow protectors, which I should really have done earlier. I could, probably will, damage the finish.

I have decided to flat the lovely final coat, (there were some blemishes in it also), so that if I do cause some damage, it will be easier to correct before any final varnishing.

Will post some pictures of the bow pieces as I progress as it is going to be trouble I think, they are screwed in place by several 1mm chromed wood screws but they leave a gap at the very point of the bow.

I have fathomed a way to join them seamlessly but it may result in a little damage as it has to be done in situ.

Here are a few pictures of it looking very sorry for it's self.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 05, 2012, 09:15:35 AM
You sanded that down?

I have a question....

ARE YOU MAD?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 05, 2012, 12:40:09 PM
You sanded that down?

I have a question....

ARE YOU MAD?

I'm quickly beginning to think so.

However, it's done now and I have roughly fitted the two bow pieces following a little pre shaping.

Have marked the areas that need a little more trimming before joining together to form 1 piece.

This is probably the most difficult part of the whole build, especially if a only perfect finish will do, wouldn't blame anyone building one of these to leave out these bits,

especially if the Mahogany planking is good at the bow.

Pictures showing the metal pieces, ( Stainless Steel I think ), and an indication of the size of the screws with the pilot drill compared to a 1p piece.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 06, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
Here you go, the finished product,(almost, save for more final buffing ), and no damage to the woodwork.

Will post some photo's of the process that I used if it is of any interest.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 06, 2012, 03:26:50 PM
Please do that looks most excellent
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on May 06, 2012, 05:50:17 PM
Yes, please elaborate, I am assuming you are going to tell us you silver soldered it or something like that?, but I fully expect you will surprise us? Neat job Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 06, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
That sanding down was the surprise of the year. O0

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 07, 2012, 12:17:32 PM
Bow protectors.

I used 60/40 solder with a large tip fitted to soldering iron which was turned up to full, a high heat is I believe important.

Protected the boat so that no heat was transferred to the wood, I cut a small window in several layers of paper kitchen towel, placed it over the place to be soldered,

taped it down then thoroughly wet it with water. I pressed it down onto the metalwork so that if formed a heatsink then quickly ran in the solder, building up enough to

allow for a rounded finish.

I did several tacks to make sure that all was going well then went back to complete the joining.

I did pre fit the two pieces first and re shaped where necessary.

Photo's as promised.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 07, 2012, 02:26:54 PM
And to think this will end up a childs plaything!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 07, 2012, 04:18:08 PM
Suddenly the shine re appears, better than ever, miracle or what ?

This is the definitely the last coat, totally fed up, varnish and I are no longer friends, probably never to meet again.

This will have to do.

Some photo's.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 07, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
Again wow!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 10, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Houston we have a problem, I thought things were going too well.

The two front seats that I made, using the same material as all the other upholstery, have changed dramatically in colour making them unusable.

I believe that the change in contact adhesive that I had to make when my Henkel ran out has caused the leaching of colour.

One picture shows the difference between Henkel and the ****fix direct stuff. The rest of the upholstery has stayed off white whilst the seats have gone a decidedly yellow colour.

As I have no more of the material left to re cover the seats, ( or enthusiasm ), I have reverted back to the Blue and White Amati supplied seats but changed the colour to match the rest of the upholstery.

Will be able to transfer the seat furniture over so it may well not affect the finished product, could have done without this tho'.

Another 2 pictures of the new look Amati seats, can easily colour the stitching to match the rest.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 10, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Aw - that's the absolute pits Mike after the effort you put in and with a great result too.

What is your reccommended glue called and I'll buy some? Supplier?

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 10, 2012, 03:34:49 PM
how did you change the colour of the blue and white seats, paint them?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 10, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Aw - that's the absolute pits Mike after the effort you put in and with a great result too.

What is your reccommended glue called and I'll buy some? Supplier?

Dave

Hi Dave.

The Henkel contact glue came from Lidl about 2 years ago, don't think you can get it here in England.

If you do find it please let me know as I will certainly buy some.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 10, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
I pop into Lidl and Aldi occasionaly - so I'll look for you.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 10, 2012, 04:17:19 PM
how did you change the colour of the blue and white seats, paint them?

Hi Mike.

Did you get the little spanner yet ?

Didn't use any paint to dye the Amati seats, (don't think that you can successfully paint Vinyl can you ) ?

The process is known only to me and the Hoomigoolie Pygmy head hunters tribe in the Amazon jungle.

If I told you I would have to kill you.  ok2  ok2

Seriously, it's a leather dye from Canada.

Mike. M.




Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Brian Roberts on May 10, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
Hi Mike
Sorry about your seats, you must be gutted after all the time you spent on creating them, I suppose if they were going to discolour better now than when installed in the boat.
Regarding the contact adhesive have you tried Henkel Loctite Adhesives tel: 01442278000?
Regards

Brian
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Netleyned on May 10, 2012, 05:06:19 PM
Another UK contact is 01606593933 Tech Services or email technical.services@henkel.co.uk

Ned
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 11, 2012, 01:27:22 PM
Thanks for the info Brian / Ned.

No joy here in England but I think Gary, ( essex2visuvesi ) in Finland may be able to source some.

Hope so, because it is the best contact adhesive that I have used.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 12, 2012, 09:42:46 AM
Dashboard just about finished now.

Just some excess glue to remove once hardened.

Have gone with the Red wheel as I'm going to use Red for the waterline stripe, didn't like the blue.

Windscreen and compass not fitted yet.

Some pictures.

Mike.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on May 12, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
I love the key rings  {-)

How about adding some furry dice?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 18, 2012, 08:22:40 PM
Bottom White paint done now, following horrendous problems with masking and lifting.

I absolutely hate enamel paint, give me Cellulose any time.

Anyway, after lots of hours doing retro work it's all finished now, including the Red stripe, (not the waterline or Boot Topping).

The exhausts are permanently fitted now, Siliconed and screwed.

Some pictures.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: CJ1 on May 18, 2012, 08:36:58 PM
Gorgeous work Mike! I hope you are as proud of it as we are impressed.
Chris
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 18, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
Gorgeous work Mike! I hope you are as proud of it as we are impressed.
Chris

Thanks for that Chris.

Can't wait for this build to be completed, starting to get a bit fed up with it now,can't wait to start on my next, ( and second ), project as it will be for me and not for the kids.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 18, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Your second project - I'm chomping at the bit Mike  O0
I've really enjoyed the first.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 18, 2012, 09:45:18 PM
Your second project - I'm chomping at the bit Mike  O0
I've really enjoyed the first.

Dave
Evening Dave.

A little more to complete yet but the end is in sight thankfully.

I have to admit that the Vaporetto build can't start soon enough.

I have some ideas that should make for a very interesting thread.

Will continue to keep the Aquarama build up to date of course as it seems to be regularly followed.

BTW I need to make a boat stand/cradle/carry for the Aquarama and have no idea how to do this.

Any help / plans would be gratefully received.
Mike.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 18, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
you building the vaporetta from scratch mike??

on boat stands something simple is sufficient. heres what i did:

(http://s13.postimage.org/t1wtszq1f/DSCI0151.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t1wtszq1f/)

i used cereal box card to mark the profile of the hull then transfered that to wood. Im sure youl do a better job that i have. If i was to modyfy this so is carriable i would put 4 hook eyes in each corner of the base then use 2 straps going from the front ones to the back ones. That way you can remove the straps for display.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 18, 2012, 11:02:13 PM
you building the vaporetta from scratch mike??

on boat stands something simple is sufficient. heres what i did:

(http://s13.postimage.org/t1wtszq1f/DSCI0151.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t1wtszq1f/)

i used cereal box card to mark the profile of the hull then transfered that to wood. Im sure youl do a better job that i have. If i was to modyfy this so is carriable i would put 4 hook eyes in each corner of the base then use 2 straps going from the front ones to the back ones. That way you can remove the straps for display.
Thanks Mike.

Something similar would be good, just need to allow for the twin shafts and rudders.

I have a paper plan for an early Vaporeto so will have to do a mix and match of them all as there is very little information available about any of them.

May also do a floating waterbus stop,(Fermata), to go with it. Maybe!

There is a reference book available from a chap in Venice but at 70 Euro's it's a bit too much for me.

ACTV has a site that will be of some help also but any other information would be most welcome, particularly technical specs.

Mike M.


 


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 19, 2012, 11:06:51 AM
What is the title and author of the book Mike?
Also have you (is there) a Vaporeto specific model in mind?

Now I'll have to learn the difference between a Fermata and a Vaporeto :embarrassed:

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 19, 2012, 11:30:29 AM
What is the title and author of the book Mike?
Also have you (is there) a Vaporeto specific model in mind?

Now I'll have to learn the difference between a Fermata and a Vaporeto :embarrassed:

Dave

Hi Dave.

The book is  ...." Vaporetti - un secolo di trasporto pubblico nella laguna di Venezia" ( Vaporetti - a century of public transport in the lagoon of Venice ).

Author:   Gilberto Penzo.

Vaporetto = 1 (singular)   Vaporetti = 2 or more. (plural).  Fermata = Bus stop.  Fermate = more than one i.e Bus Stops.

Here endeth this mornings lesson.   :-))   :-))

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 19, 2012, 11:54:14 AM
have you had this boat wet yet mike?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 19, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
have you had this boat wet yet mike?

Hello Mike.

No, not yet, although it has had a fair amount of my sweat dropped onto it.

I was aiming to fit the shafts and rudders before introducing it to water, suppose I could tape the holes and sit it in the bath for a while,

that's if the wife doesn't mind sharing of course.

Have had a mistake in the white bottom painting pointed out to me this morning by my good friend in France.

The reverse "V"  on the bottom is the wrong way round, I noticed it as soon as I had applied the white paint, but by then it was to late to correct

Don't think the 2 boys will be that bothered about it tho'.

I am very bothered, were I going to keep it I would rub everything back re varnish and re paint.

Age thing I think, as I am making more and more mistakes as the boat nears completion.

Mike M.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 19, 2012, 12:16:45 PM
its understandable you want to get it done. I want you to get it done!! if your lads dont like it chuck em peice of emery cloth!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 19, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
Fitted the bow protector and "Musetto",( Nose ).

4 1/2 hours work and 56 screws with 6 blisters from using the jewellers screwdriver and 2 broken 0.5mm drills , am quite pleased with it tho', certainly not a perfect fit but good enough, if you look at it from the other side of the road that is.

Picture as usual.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 19, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Actv-1.html some links
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 19, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Actv-1.html some links

Thanks Dave.

Great site, as you can see I will have to do a mix and match as I want to incorperate some of the features of several of the Serie.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 20, 2012, 03:52:01 PM
I like the mix and match idea Mike - that makes it unique and your own.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 20, 2012, 04:22:26 PM
A little more done today.

It seems that every job now is trouble, metal parts not fitting, plans and manual not the same, and, if the job is tricky then Amati conveniently forget to mention it.

Never mind, here are some pictures of the days progress, including modifications because the supplied parts don't and cannot possibly fit.

If anyone out there reading this is contemplating building this Amati kit then please go ahead, as it is a very good one.

Give me a P.M as I have solved, in most part, the problems that you Will undoubtedly encounter during the build.

Pictures.

Mike.




Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on May 20, 2012, 05:10:26 PM
Mike, Mike, Mike. That is becoming a thing of wonder. I assure you that all your hard work is worth it......even if all I ever see are the photos. :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 20, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
Mike, Mike, Mike. That is becoming a thing of wonder. I assure you that all your hard work is worth it......even if all I ever see are the photos. :-))

Many thanks for the kind comments.

Enthusiasm is waining a little now but I am determined to complete the build.

Not much more to do now to complete.

Will carry on with the pictures as I near the end.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: waverunner on May 21, 2012, 08:08:15 AM
You've already gone far past the point where I would have thrown the towel in and given up.

I admire your stamina and perseverence. The quality of your work is amazing. Can't wait to see it in action.

It's exactly the boat I wanted, but I chickened out and bought the Graupner Ti Amo instead. It's a quality model but not a patch on what you've done.

Wanna swop?  {-)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 22, 2012, 03:17:36 PM
Here you go, my next build.

Actually. a mix and match between the three.

Are they not lovely ?

Mike
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 22, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
looks too complicated for me. Im sure youl do a grand job of that, or a half ***** one cos youve run out of enthusiasm  %% Either way mind it will look better than most peoples crafts even you did have a slack moment.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on May 22, 2012, 05:10:38 PM
There's a kit, isn't there? Or are you scratching it?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 22, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
There's a kit, isn't there? Or are you scratching it?

I have a plan for the Panart one and was going to build from that.

The kit is available here at about £210 which is a little much for me, however, a friend in Italy has found one for me for 150 Euros

so I will be going that way, it's of a quite early example but eminently alterable.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 22, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
I'm a big fan of the working man's ferries; those daily workhorses
that the river cities have should really be celebrated more, so for
my money you've made a great choice Mike. :-))

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 24, 2012, 04:34:10 PM
Approaching completion now.

Varnishing jig dismantled, just like a building site really, shell complete, first and second fixings done, just waiting for the interior and furniture to be installed.

I need to build a cradle / carry  before I can fit out, all of the fixtures and fittings are ready but I have decided that the rudder blades are far too large.

Am going to scrap them and make two more a tad smaller, no need for them to be quite so big.

As you can see I have started the cradle, so finalising the build hopefully shouldn't be long now.

Here are a few photo's

Mike.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 27, 2012, 09:40:02 AM
More work done.

Started fitting the bits that make it go, now that I have a stand.

Some pictures.

Mike.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: rmaddock on May 27, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
I hadn't realised what a big model she is 'till the pictures on the garden chair.
Superb!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on May 27, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
proper stand that, nice n sturdy. boats not bad either
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 28, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Hi Mike

How did you make the windsheild frame - I must have nodded off somewhere.
I am still failing miserably on that item..... {:-{

Nice stand too - I like the front of it a lot.

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 29, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
Hi Mike

How did you make the windsheild frame - I must have nodded off somewhere.
I am still failing miserably on that item..... {:-{

Nice stand too - I like the front of it a lot.

Dave

Hi Dave.

I think you must have nodded off for a little while, mind you, I find myself doing that more and more.

The Windscreen is an Amati part, comes with the fitting kit, it needs a white seal around the bottom, but at the moment only fits where it touches.

A bit of bending and twisting might do it.

Like a lot of the fiddley jobs left to do I'm putting them off until there is nothing else left.

Finishing the cradle at the mo. need it completed before I can take the boat to the water, although what water I don't yet know.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on May 29, 2012, 09:34:03 PM
I thought Gorleston on Sea had a big boating lake?
Or has it gone the way of so many municipal ammenities - not cost effective and filled in.... Tesco Metroised even.

How about Coltishall - there's a nice pub there too %)

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 29, 2012, 10:23:17 PM
Hello Dave.

There is a quite small oval shaped boating pond on Gorleston sea front, quite shallow which is good and filled with fresh water.

Also, there is a fountain thing in the middle circled by spiked metal fingers at water level, have seen several powered models impailed on them.

Coltishall has a river and a good pub but no lake that I know of, not a public one anyway.

We do have many rivers and broads here but more importantly, what seems like thousands of holiday hire cruisers, some of the drivers do leave a lot to be desired on the skill front.

Reminds me of the M25 in the daytime except that there is, unfortunately, no lane markings or central Armco barrier.

I'll probably test it on our little pond, make sure all is well, then take it to my sons to be handed over to the boys, apparently there is a goodly size lake in Chichester.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on May 31, 2012, 07:26:57 PM
A few photo's of the motors/esc's/batteries/servo and receiver installation, if it is of any interest.

A little tidying to be done but finished for the most part.

Also shows the upholstered, "Bathing Slipway", prefer this to the standard white painted.

Have decided to scrap the two fromt seat bases and will replace them with some varnished Mahogany ones.

The two little switches are the ESC's On/Off, will be mounted under the bench seat which will be Velcro'd on, ( the seat not the switches).

Hope everyone has a great weekend at Wickstead and that the weather holds, would have loved to have been there.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 05, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
Turfed the wife out of the bath and gave the boat it's first encounter with water, ( warm, soapy and with bubbles ).

My very first attempt at You tube video, it's a bit rubbish but that's because the wife if doing the filming, (my excuse anyway).

All seems O.K. very very powerfull, could only mange 1/4 throttle.

Here's the link.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cao4496nDF4

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on June 05, 2012, 08:57:00 PM

Hi Mike,

Nearly jumped out of your hand.    {-)    Looks to have a bit of power there.

Well done.

ken

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Norseman on June 05, 2012, 10:33:08 PM
You're going to need a bigger bath O0

Dave
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 08, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
Hello All.

My next post will be the last in this build log.
I am at the moment working on the Windscreen fitment, which,  I have to admit, is proving to be the most difficult so far.
Once completed, I will post some pictures, or maybe a video of the final build. The run on a pond I will post here with a link to Youtube.

The Amati kit is good, especially if anyone builds it using the part as supplied.
Whilst the manual covers most of the construction not everything is covered, unfortunately.

In my opinion, this is a kit for the more advanced builder, as Amati suggest, me being no exception to this as it is my first model boat build.
I have enjoyed every trial and tribulation with the build in this past year, but will never attempt something similar again.

My Vaporetto build is possibly the exact opposite of this, which was as the full size a masterpiece of wooden boatbuilding.

I will enjoy the dents, rust, dodgy paintwork and the general scruffiness of an overworked passenger vessel.
Paint runs or sags will be the norm along with verdigris and waterline slime.


Mike. 
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 08, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Well, here it is, 1 year later and almost complete, some stuff held in place for photo purposes.

All will be done tomorrow.

Will not bother with a video of the finished boat but will still do movie of the first run in the local pond.

Some pictures, see what you think.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: papymouzot on June 08, 2012, 08:07:31 PM
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Mike,

My English isn't good enough to express my views about your so successful build, it is superb, magnificent, exceptional.... !!!!!!!!!!

The build is superb, and the finishing is incredibly good, superb.... MAGNIFIQUE !!!!!!!!!!


It is definitely the most beautiful Riva model I ever saw...

Congratulations, it meant a lot of efforts, thinking, time, sweat... but you can be really proud of you....

I hope you will have a short rest, I can't wait to see the next (second) build... The Vaporetto.. How on earth will you manage to make a better build ? I am curious !!  ok2

Charles
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: turbinecol on June 08, 2012, 10:11:28 PM
Yes, certainly the best build-up we've seen on the web of this kit. It looks simply marvellous.

The kit is hard work, but you've clearly demonstrated what can be achieved with a bit of patience sir.

Congrats and enjoy the next build.

Colin
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on June 09, 2012, 01:34:37 AM
very very nice mike, you have done it justice, well done :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on June 11, 2012, 06:36:51 AM
I hope you are pleased with yourself young man!... Im sure there are many Riva model owners now putting theirs into cupboards so as not to be judged against yours
Simply a fantastic build and write up :) well done

Mods can we have this thread made a sticky somewhere? maybe in masterclass?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 11, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
To Charles, Dave, Colin and Gary.

Many thanks for your very kind comments and for following the build for about a year now.

I'm quite new to model boat building, even though the years have passed rather too quickly for me, I have really enjoyed building this boat.

The big handover day is going to be Saturday the 23rd June, when my Son / Daughter in Law and the 2 boys are comming to see us.

Have told Andrew, ( my boy ) that I don't want to hear about it once they get it home.

Once again my thanks to you all.

Watch this space though, the next build is looming. :-)) :-)) :-))

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on June 11, 2012, 04:57:29 PM
when are you going to take it for its maiden voyage?
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 11, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
when are you going to take it for its maiden voyage?

Hi Mike.

Sorry that I have omitted to thank you personally for your input into my build. We have exchanged friendly banter now and again, I very much enjoyed it.

Would like it to be this weekend, weather permitting of course, but unfortunately, someone has run around my car with a key or screwdriver so I have to take it in for repairs.

The only other transport that I have is my wife's little tiny Smart Car, maybe that will do.

Although I don't have a video camera I will use the digi camera that I have used for the build posts.

All that I am concerned about is the lack of water shipped over the sides.

An awful lot of these models tend to run very nose heavy and as a subsequence take in far too much water.

Will definitely let you all know.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on June 11, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
i wasnt after any credit fella but thanks none the less :-))

when it comes to getting to the lake, i take my boats 3 miles accross town on pram using public transport and me legs, so the use of smart car is a luxury  :}

does the camera you use have a video function? they usually do when you go into modes.

yes these open models do tend to let water in but with your boat being on the large side it might not be too much of a problem, if you have to add a bailer to it.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: F1 madness on June 15, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
Mike you done a great job on the build looks stunning
Defo 1 of the nicest aquarama build iv ever seen and the attention to detail is awesome
 :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 16, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
Mike you done a great job on the build looks stunning
Defo 1 of the nicest aquarama build iv ever seen and the attention to detail is awesome
 :-))

Thanks Daz.

Praise indeed from somone who knows  how to achieve perfection.

Hoped to run the boat today, (Sat), having remembered to threadlock the props onto the shafts, but it's blowing a gale here and raining.

Maybe tomorrow, hopefully !!

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 19, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Hello.

Ran the boat in our local pond this evening, other than a quick test in the bath this was its first time for real.
Unfortunately there was no one there to work my camera for me. Will definately get someone next time even if it's the wife.  :-)

The boat ran really well, the 35mmm props seem just right, gave a very realistic scale like speed.
I have limited the throttle to 75% Fwd and 25% Reverse which turned out to be O.K. a little more reverse say 35% would be better and maybe allow the ability to spin the boat in it's own length.

There is however one problem that needs solving before I hand it over to the Grandsons and that is that after getting the boat home, 10 mins fron the pond, I did find a puddle of water in the rear most compartment.
That's the one that houses the rudder tubes, water in/out fittings and cooling pipes. The 4 pipes were / are a very tight fit onto the fittings and the rudder tubes do finish above the waterline.

Everything is well sealed, with epoxy pooled around them inside the hull as the picture shows on the P brackets, absolutely no water ingress beyond the last frame.
I think the problem may be that water is leaking through the rear hatch cover which is directly over the rear compartment.

Will attack the problem one thing at a time and start by fitting the seals to the rear hatch which I had already made but for some reason forgot to fit and then progress from there.
One fix then one run in water until I find a cure. Can't really give it to the boys as it is, so it's a must do.

All work on the Vaporetto will now have to stop until this is fixed, shame as I am really enjoying the Vappi build.

Some pictures that may help.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on June 19, 2012, 11:14:46 PM
try running the boat full welly with the back lids off in the domestic tank. Sometimes water can come up the rudder tubes between the shaft and the inner wall when the water around them is under pressure. Itl only be a trickle too.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 20, 2012, 06:09:36 AM
try running the boat full welly with the back lids off in the domestic tank. Sometimes water can come up the rudder tubes between the shaft and the inner wall when the water around them is under pressure. Itl only be a trickle too.

Thanks Mike, will do that first , sounds about right as the little puddles were the same on each isde of the keel.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on June 21, 2012, 07:00:48 PM
Hi.

Problem solved, you were quite right Mike.

The water was being driven up the rudder shafts, defeating the grease so it must have been quite high pressure.

Have fitted an O ring on each shaft on the underwater end which butts up to the rudder blade and shaft tube.

On the inboard end of the tubes I have added another O ring which compresses onto the top of the tube by a washer and 4mm nut.

Thicker grease also used, the servo doesn't seem to mind the extra load either.

Should be all systems go for the final test before the boat is handed over.

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: red181 on June 21, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
I promised myself an early to bed night tonight, and found this build thread, 1 1/2 hrs ago! dont know how I missed it from day one, could not stop reading, it was excellent!! well done!!

PLEASE PLEASE some video of it running! %)

A superb build, and some excellent work :}
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Mad_Mike on June 22, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
yes definatly need to some footage :-))
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: waverunner on July 02, 2012, 07:51:35 AM
Vid please. The suspense is killing  O0
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: david.harrison on June 28, 2014, 09:31:23 PM
:-))

Would love to put my hands of one of those spare compasses, and know where you got em' from...

Robert

A little late in seeing this thread, but I would also love to know where you got those compasses for my Amati Aquarama build. I live in Canada.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 08, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
Mi scuso se ho riaperto un build log molto vecchio, ma è un bellissimo build log con risultati eccellenti, ho adottato alcune soluzioni vostre  con soddisfazione.
Grazie ho imparato altre cose sul modellismo navale, io costruivo solo aerei da progetto ed ho iniziato a comprare le uscite in edicola del kit Amati (Hachette) non credendo di ritrovarmi con un bellissimo modello e ben riprodotto.
Mi auguro che il varo sia andato bene e sarei felice di vedere video e sapere le sue impressioni su motorizzazione adottata e la trasmissione con le eliche più appropriate.
Io credo che istalerò la sua stessa motorizzazione, speriamo a lei sia andata bene.
Sarebbero gradite le foto del vano motore e tutte le specifiche dei componenti istallati e risultati.
Grande UKMIKE e grande Riva Aquarama!
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: derekwarner on April 08, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
Welcome Caronte ......the Moderators will request future postings be in the English tongue, ...........

[it appears you are refereing to a year 2012 posting from UK Mike which is fine]. I am sure our members would like to see video's or and pictures of your engine compartment and all specifications of the components etc

Your translated posting is below.............Derek
________________________

I apologize if I reopened a build log very old, but it's a beautiful build log with excellent results, I've adopted some solutions your with satisfaction.

Thank you I learned more about the ship models, I just used to make fighter aircraft project and I started buying the kit newsstand Amati (Hachette) not believing to find myself with a beautiful model and well played.

I hope that the launch went well and would be happy to show you videos and know his impressions on DMV adopted and the transmission with the propellers are most appropriate.

I believe that istalerò his own DMV, hopefully she went well.

Would you like the pics of the engine compartment and all specifications of the components installed and results.

Great UKMIKE and great Riva Aquarama
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: stevesteve on April 08, 2017, 11:14:42 PM
this is a work of art, i dont even know what i like the most about it, everything is so perfectly done but i think im most impressed by the interior, its beautiful, i dont even have to ask if your proud of this boat lol
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 02:00:26 AM
Sorry but I I have to use a translator
I've seen that UK MIKE does not write from 2012 I sent him an email, we now expect response.
I'm putting together a little photo of my build log 'Aquarama under construction.
I hope it's as beautiful as her.
See you soon.



Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 09:59:27 PM
Mike responded to my mail.
Unfortunately no photos and even video, however, is available for each approfondimnto on building.
I think his build log is very complete and detailed, leaving little to the imagination.
I hope you come back with other construction units.

Mike ha risposto alla mia mail.
Purtroppo non ha foto e neanche video però è disponibile per ogni approfondimnto sulla costruzione.
Credo che il suo build log sia davvero completo e dettagliato e lascia poco all'immaginazione.
Spero torni con altre costruzioni esemplari.

Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
My Aquarama
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
My Aquarama work in progress
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 10:26:15 PM
Dal principio
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 10:27:17 PM
Finite
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 09, 2017, 10:39:31 PM
This work has been assembled with 100 sets a duration Hachette collection two years.In this work the kit Amati and has been designed exclusively for this collection,
last series 2012. After Amati is selling the updated kit as hachette files.
For convenience of shipping the strips and the main spar and other material were dissected to be contained in A4 format as the files.
Along with the kit he was attached an encyclopedia on Riva and assembly instructions step by step.
The final cost was about 1000 euro without engines and radio.
In Ebay are collected COMPLETE even at 100/150 euro, they could have made the last 3 series the best and most complete as Amati, the second almost as the last (windshield acetate resin dashboard), while the first series has the hull foam to be covered with mahogany strips.
I end and the beginning of this project from an Aquarama 1: 7 to 125 cm from motorize combustion 4 strokes with 2 OS FS 30/40 modified with water cooling.
I thank Mike for the beautiful build log.


Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Caronte on April 10, 2017, 11:56:59 PM
This should be the test UKMike


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cao4496nDF4
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on April 11, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
Yes it is.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Andjo on January 10, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
Hello all,
I am a new member from Belgium.  40 years ago I built a lot of model boats which when I emigrated went to The Child Beale Park.  I returned to the boat scene a couple of years ago after aircraft building and flying.

I want to say a big thank you to UK Mike for his superb foto's and text about his Aquarama build.  I have just bought one from Cornwall Model Boats and I also bought the motorisation set which has been recently upgraded.  I am presently building a 46" Huntsman and the Riva is next.  I too was not too sure about the planking but Mike's text and foto's have allayed all my fears.

I will follow any posts about the Amati Riva with great interest.

Best wishes to all.
Andre
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: spiff on July 09, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
Hi Mike, may I ask where did you get the keyrings? I really like them!!


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Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: ukmike on July 09, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
Hello Spiff.They are from Cap Maquettes France.Part No. 18.P191 15mm. They are supplied white so I added the red.https://www.newcapmaquettes.com/Bouees-couronnes-plastique-blanc.html?fromrec=1

Mike.
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: spiff on July 09, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
Hello Spiff.They are from Cap Maquettes France.Part No. 18.P191 15mm. They are supplied white so I added the red.https://www.newcapmaquettes.com/Bouees-couronnes-plastique-blanc.html?fromrec=1 (https://www.newcapmaquettes.com/Bouees-couronnes-plastique-blanc.html?fromrec=1)
Mike.


Mike, thank you.  My Aquarama is progressing well:
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3170021-Amati-Riva-Aquarama-Runabout-1-10/page2 (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3170021-Amati-Riva-Aquarama-Runabout-1-10/page2)
Title: Re: Aquarama Build
Post by: Taranis on July 09, 2019, 05:33:27 PM
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