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Title: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 15, 2011, 08:03:03 pm
Hi
I recently purchased a used, already assembled seawind at a yard sale but the previous owner had lost the remote. Does anyone have one for sale? I have the internal stuff and it works but just need the transmitter. Would a new transmitter still work on my old stuff? Is there someplace I could buy a replacement transmitter?

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: john s 2 on August 15, 2011, 08:45:56 pm
Ive a Seawind myself. My model is set up as a 2 ch rig. Rudder and sail winch. I see no reason why you
cant buy a secondhand transmitter. Look at your rec to find out what frequency its on 25 or 40.Buy a sh
trans of correct freq. Please remember crystals must match.Keep the one in the rec and just buy one for
the trans. It a personal thing but with 2.4 being so cheap. Id buy a set eg Radiolink under £30 No more
crystal or freq probs. Just remember to keep arieal leeds above water line. John.       
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: triumphjon on August 15, 2011, 09:40:07 pm
having purchased my seawind just over a year ago , although it was fitted with radio i replace the rx with a planet 2.4 unit , which ive placed inside a balloon , has your boat still got the factory radio hatch fitted as they bend and leak !
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 15, 2011, 10:04:56 pm
I believe it still has everything except the little remote thing you use to control it. Sorry I'm really new to this and this is my first boat. there are two balloons in the hull, one for the battery pack, one for a little black box with a bunch of wires coming out of it. I think it's got everything it needs in the hull of the boat. How do I find out what frequency or crystals my boat has? Do you have a link to a set eg radiolink? I'm really confused because I'm new to all this.

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: triumphjon on August 15, 2011, 10:52:01 pm
inside of your hull you should have three little boxes and a battery box , two of the boxes are servos , normally the larger of the two will have a cord attached to a long arm screwed onto the top of it , this controls the amount of sail movement , the other one controls the rudder , both of the servos are controlled from the receiver ( rx ) another small oblong box with three cables and an ariel from it , the operating frequency of this box will determin what transmitter you need
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: john s 2 on August 15, 2011, 11:04:14 pm
On the reciever Box it should have what frequency it is. The crystal plugs in, its quite small and may have a
paper tag or printing to tell you what the exact frequency is. JOHN.   
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: JB on August 15, 2011, 11:12:16 pm
A link to radio control frequencies here, the 'remote' is called ...Transmitter or TX or sometimes Tranny..! remote and radio are not the same...hope this bit of info helps...there is a list of the 'numbers' for each frequency somewhere, I'll try to find one.

JB.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/ra/publication/ra_info/ra60.htm

Its likely your radio is 40MHz, I could be wrong though...! here's a list of numbers/ frequency.

http://www.ukrcc.org/40mhz.html
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 01:48:58 pm
The little crystals thing that plugs in says 74. i can't find anywhere it says what frequency it's on. Here's everything it does say:
ID: FPR122JE
AM2 Channel Receiver
Here's what it said on the crystals:
Type 72-11
75.670
74 (in really big font size)
AM Rx

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: triumphjon on August 16, 2011, 02:07:02 pm
the receiver needs to be removed , its for aircraft only ! i would recomend buying yourself a 2.4 ghz set up . jon
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: JB on August 16, 2011, 02:11:01 pm
Take a look here.

75 MHz...not legal in the UK i'm afraid.

USA use that frequency.

75.670 = channel 74.

JB.

http://rcvehicles.about.com/od/glossary/g/75MHz.htm
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 02:12:11 pm
why can't it be used for both?  Im pretty sure the receiver is the one that came with the original boat, but I'm not sure. Where can I find a 2.4 ghz set up? How much would that cost?

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 02:12:53 pm
I don't live in the UK, I live in the US. this article would make sense because my crystals said 75.610. so i would need a 75 MHz transmitter....???

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: JB on August 16, 2011, 02:17:35 pm
I think your best plan in view of the frequency of the receiver is to buy a new 2.4 GHz set, they are really cheap now, I have a Spektrum DX6i TX, about £80 which is very reasonable, you can pay anything up to £1k and more!

Planet r/c is well thought of I understand, can't comment myself on the make as I've not had one.

Hope this helps you. :-))

JB.


 
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Boomer on August 16, 2011, 07:44:32 pm
When Seawinds were being sold with Radio and receivers in the past, they were AM type 27mhz -perhaps 75 - which as we all know worked, but are not worth buying since 2.4 ghz technology has been developed. Sailboats (generally) don't require expensive multi featured, multi channel radios - basic two channel systems will work - it is nice to have 4 and a few features on your radio to set up end points.  You can buy inexpensive 2.4 systems for very little money these days from a varity of online stores. My suggestion is to buy a simple 2.4ghz set up and forget the old AM stuff.

Hobbyking.com sells a number of them at prices that are hard to beat. Take a look http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store/__82__190__Tx_Rx_Systems_Parts-Complete_systems.html

For $30 or less you can have a nice 2.4 ghz set up - that is cheaper than messing around with the old stuff and besides that old AM equipment is subject to interference from almost any AM source. Some "Dolt" near where you are sailing could be microwaving a hot dog and take control of your boat. When that happens the boat can not be controlled by you. Not kidding.

Seawinds are not cheap and are worth putting a decent radio and receiver.

Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 08:44:12 pm
Ok, so the 2.4 ghz system will prevent my boat from being hijacked by other radio waves and work in the us? will the remote include little crystals plug in thing? Also, will I need to program it??Thank you very much this has been super helpful, sorry I'm so new to this.
Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: JB on August 16, 2011, 09:06:09 pm
I don't live in the UK, I live in the US. this article would make sense because my crystals said 75.610. so i would need a 75 MHz transmitter....???

Thanks

How did I miss that ? ! yes you just need a 75MHz Transmitter with a crystal to match,

If you do buy a 2.4 GHz radio control set you don't have crystals, that's the main attaction for all of us now, the radio seeks out free frequencies for you...as others have said, there's nothing wrong with any of the different frequencies...unless there is interference from other users, the UK had severe problems when CB radio landed here...it is (was) on 27MHz alongside the cars boats and aircraft models !!! <:(

Aircraft changed to 35MHz and boats/cars to 40MHz...

JB.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 10:16:03 pm
Will a 2.4 ghz still work in the us or is it only for the uk? If it will work for me I'll probably go with the 2.4 ghz previously posted by winchaser just to simplify the whole crystals thing.
Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: JB on August 16, 2011, 10:27:00 pm
Yes 2.4 GHz is in the US to, if you have a hobby store near you or can find one online you will see all the radio available to you, it will be a little different in looks but its the same, no crystals to worry about :-))

JB.

Here's a link to a USA hobby store.

http://www.towerhobbies.com/
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 16, 2011, 10:57:06 pm
Can I still get this one:
http://hobbyking.com/hobbycity/store/__9042__Hobby_King_2_4Ghz_6Ch_Tx_Rx_V2_Mode_2_.html

I visited tower hobbies and all the ones I found were either for planes and helicopter or really really expensive. Is hobby king just for the UK? Their site says they have a us warehouse too.

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Boomer on August 16, 2011, 11:39:42 pm
These radios are as simple as dirt! I live in California which the last time I checked was still in the US. If you go to the link I provided and read the description you will see this unit comes with the radio (transmitter) and the receiver. There are several different units listed on the HK site. Try to fine one that is in stock in their US warehouse. It will cost less to ship it - but the price of might be a buck or two higher - much better service from their US location. You have to register but if you got here you can do that.

Tower has some lower priced units too, but HK is almost always a bit cheaper. Tower is a much better outfit to do business with overall.  

Use only a stick style radio for sailboats. Pistol grips are not designed for sailboats!

There is a very active RC forum in the US = rcgroups.com with lots of good information on everything to do with RC - go to their sailboat section and check out the various topics  Worth a few minutes to visit that forum  :-))

Hobbyking sells world wide.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on August 17, 2011, 02:21:23 pm
ok, thanks. I just ordered it and should be all set.

Thanks!
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: airwolf572010 on September 15, 2011, 07:50:09 am
Yeah so after all that help how is the boat and radio gear handling the situation now???

Armo
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 02:15:16 am
Sorry, I was away for a long time and couldn't work on my boat.  <:( However, I am having difficulties binding my radio to my receiver. I'm trying to follow this video tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPSJnul2zc My receiver doesn't come with a satellite attached to it. The satellite seems to be the blinking and beeping things in the tutorial but my receiver doesn't have one and doesn't seem to blink or beep. I looked on the Hobby King website and it's not like the one I bought is supposed to come with a satellite receiver.  How would I go about binding my receiver to my transmitter if it's not beeping or working using the instructions from the video? Also, where would I put my sail servo; the throttle, elevator, or aileron plug in?

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: airwolf572010 on October 10, 2011, 02:34:34 am
Hi Why Muck Around with the TX/RX
Just click on to Hobbyking and they have some teriffic deals on 2.4gz stuff which will fit the Kyosho great.
I have had no problems with any of their TX/RX on fast electrics and have also fitted it to my Monsoon and Legend sailing boats.
No problems.

Armo :-))
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: dondecap on October 10, 2011, 01:30:45 pm
hi mate.
you still fighting the radio?
have you got the battery plugged into the receiver in the boat the right way round?
usualy the signal wire goes to the front of the receiver..the manual should show you. there should be a light in the receiver when powered on. this may be red or orange.
look closely around the receiver for a small hole about the size of the end of a match stick....in there there will be a 'bind button'.......press this and the light will start to flash..........it's looking for the transmitter........... switch on the transmitter ...you may have to push a button or flick a switch to bind. then the light should go steady green after a few seconds.
regards
don
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 03:25:01 pm
There's no little hole as far as I can see that would bind the receiver. Still no light... There's a bind button on my transmitter but not the receiver. Here are some pictures. Also there is a battery plug that goes into the boat and also one that goes into the transmitter. So, if I have the bind cord in the battery plug, do I just have the battery sitting around? I have the battery plugged into the servos but there's another cord that goes into the servo. Still, either way it doesn't turn on or make a light or anything.

Thanks

Here are two pics of just the boat in general.
(http://s1.postimage.org/y84lo4g4/101011094605.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y84lo4g4/)

(http://s1.postimage.org/y8eiw7es/101011094554.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y8eiw7es/)

Transmitter:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y8mskxvo/101011094524.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y8mskxvo/)

Receiver with bind cord in it:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y8teqbus/101011094140.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y8teqbus/)

Entire Receiver:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y900vptw/101011094058.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y900vptw/)

Receiver with servos plugged in:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y96n13t0/101011094001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y96n13t0/)

Battery that plugs into boat:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y9ewpu9w/101011093838.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y9ewpu9w/)

Sail and Rudder Servos:
(http://s1.postimage.org/y9liv890/101011093814.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/y9liv890/)
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Netleyned on October 10, 2011, 03:26:10 pm
Sail servo ---- Throttle
Rudder-------Aileron
Battery any spare will do

Ned
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: airwolf572010 on October 10, 2011, 03:34:41 pm
I think on that HK you should have the following positions.
Take out the bind plug for a start, they are programmed at the factory normally.
Position 1 is for the rudder.
Position 2 is for the Sail servo or Position 4
Position 3 is normally for your ESC or battery.
Check to make sure your connections are placed in correctly eg the plus and minus are the right way.
Give the battery holder with the 4 batterys a good check and jiggle it around. sometimes they play up too. I have the same set with no probs at all. So retry that before you start replacing things yet.
Ok
Armo
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 03:56:50 pm
It's just not doing anything. I've tried every  combination of servo plugs and channels, I've replaced the batteries in the batter pack, I've done everything. Could there be something wrong with the servos? Even when I turn them on nothing happens to the receiver or servos. It just seems like nothing is connecting to the receiver. Should I call Hobby King and see if it's defective or something?
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: DickyD on October 10, 2011, 04:15:58 pm
Binding instructions from Hobbyking


TO BIND:
1. connect the Rx to a Battery notice the blinking led
2. hold down the bind button on the bottom of the controller
3. turn on the controller while holding down the bind button and watch the led
4. when it stops blinking you are done (less than 5 secs for me).

Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Netleyned on October 10, 2011, 04:18:43 pm
Plug the bind plug in as per instructions
Plug the battery pack into any set of pins
making sure the polarity is corrected
You should get a flash of the led in the RX
Switch on the TX wait a few seconds then press the bind button on the TX
Led on RX should flash a few times as it binds then led should be steady
Switch everything off take out bind plug and plug battery pack into the socket bind plug was in
Plug servos into throttle and aileron sockets Throttle Sail servo Aileron Rudder
Switch on all
If no joy then try a different RX

Ned
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Netleyned on October 10, 2011, 04:20:55 pm
Correct Richard
Forgot to say the bind button should be held down while powering up the TX
Thats the important bit :-))

Ned
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: DickyD on October 10, 2011, 04:39:31 pm
Apparently if you plug the battery in the wrong way round you burn out the receiver.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 04:46:35 pm
Well, no blinking light, no light at all. I think the receiver's dead or something but the way the battery is and the way the battery has always been in there is the only way it fits so I don't think I've burned it out.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: DickyD on October 10, 2011, 04:53:14 pm
Servo leads should have the black lead on pin furthest from the label.  :-))

Yours in your photo would appear to be the wrong way round.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Timo2 on October 10, 2011, 04:55:04 pm
Hi Sterling98

It would be nice to put your location on the info box  :-))

As Dicky said   Black wires to the outside edge hope this helps


 timo2
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 05:13:56 pm
Shoot, I had them in backwards. Ok, let me see if it works the right way or if I blew it.  >>:-(
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Timo2 on October 10, 2011, 05:20:21 pm
Sterling98

To bind only : -     battery and binding plug only   OK.

Timo2
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 05:20:38 pm
IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)  :} :D Thanks for all the awesome help guys! I''l get some pics of it sailing when I take it out this weekend.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Netleyned on October 10, 2011, 05:34:39 pm
You lucky lucky person  :-))  :-))  :-))
Got any Lottery Numbers?

Ned
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: airwolf572010 on October 10, 2011, 05:44:18 pm
After all that dont forget to use the Balloons please we dont want a wet battery holder plus rx etc do we eh??? check the boat for Holes yet hahah
Armo
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 10, 2011, 06:03:48 pm
Check, already done!  :-)
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Boomer on October 10, 2011, 10:28:06 pm
Been away, but it looks like you got some very good advise. I seen in the photos your boat came with very good servos! Back when Kyosho sold these boats with the servos and radios included they came with the Futaba S38001 sail servo and the S 3004 rudder servo. Sadely Futaba decided to discontine the S3801 the do still offer parts should you ever need them.

It appears at some point there has been some water inside the hull, and rusted some of the screws that hold the servos in place. It is always a good idea to keep your hardware as clean as possible and free of corrosion. Make your your connectors are not rusted inside - can prevent a proper connection and flow of electricity.

Another thought beyond the balloons, would be to put a piece of sponge in the hull to absorb any small amounts of water that may make it inside the hull. Be sure to remove it when you have finished sailing for the day and remove any water still in the hull. Also when not in use, leave the boats hatch cover off to let any moisture trapped inside to dry out.

Kyosho sells parts from their web site so should you require any replacement parts they are one possible source. I image there are a few local hobby shops in the UK that sell parts for these boats as well.
Here is a link to the Kyosho parts web page here in the US. They may have one over there as well. I have ordered from them and had no problems.

Enjoy your new boat.
''Windchaser"
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 11, 2011, 03:05:42 am
Great! I'll put a sponge in. I bought it used at a yard sale for fifty bucks so I have no idea where it came from or what's happened to it. I live in the US, what's the link again??

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: triumphjon on October 13, 2011, 10:50:05 pm
besides having my rx and battery packs inside balloons  and having a smear of sealant around the joins in the cases of my servos ive been putting a couple of sachets of silica gel inside the hull of my boat , one of my earlier mods was to replace the oe hatch for a thick perspex item
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Boomer on October 15, 2011, 01:17:03 am
Great! I'll put a sponge in. I bought it used at a yard sale for fifty bucks so I have no idea where it came from or what's happened to it. I live in the US, what's the link again??

Thanks

The other forum is called rcgroups.com here is a link to the sailboat section: http://www.rcgroups.com/sailboats-59
As you will see it is a pretty active fourm. There are lots of good threads on Seawinds, Nirvana, and many other rc yachts.

The forum is not limited to sailboats, and has something for most every interest. Check it out.
Didn't realize you were here in the States. There are plenty of places in the US to get parts for your Seawind should you need them.

Windchaser
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 25, 2011, 04:27:59 pm

(http://s4.postimage.org/6j3f8e5yh/photo_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6j3f8e5yh/)

Here's a photo of her sailing. We didn't take her too far just because it was the first time and I didn't want to find out something's not working in the middle of the lake. :D But, she sailed great, can't wait to take her out again. Thanks for all the help!
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: airwolf572010 on October 25, 2011, 05:10:00 pm
At long last, Great feelin isnt it and well done all the best with her in the future,
cheers
Armo :-))
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: tigertiger on October 26, 2011, 02:52:28 am
Congrats on the launch, you will love sailing  :-))
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: sterling98 on October 26, 2011, 02:24:35 pm
Also, any thought on sailing in salt water?? Should I just keep sailing in the lake? I'm concerned the salt water will damage the hull or something....

Thanks
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: tigertiger on October 26, 2011, 03:22:50 pm
Salt water  :o

If you have steel components, like screws, consider replacing with brass screws, or grease them up.

Rudder tubes should definitely be re-greased regularly.

Make sure hatches are sealed as best as possible. Some people put all electrics in a butty box to keep it sealed just in case. In effect the butty box is your radio tray.

Carry fresh water in the car to rinse off the boat as soon as possible after it is out of the water. Or if there is a tap near the pond. I have also seen those garden spray pressurised bottles used for cleaning.

Salt water, no problem if you take a little care.
Title: Re: WANTED: Radio set/ RC for Kyosho Seawind
Post by: Boomer on October 29, 2011, 04:23:24 pm
With proper preparation sailing in sea water should be not be a significant issue.
Some simple precautions would include:
Putting your receiver inside a balloon sealed by a wire tie - same thing to your battery pack.
You can water proof your servos with some silicone sealant, or the liquid electrical tape products.
Make sure your hatch is properly sealed and there are no places for water to get inside the hull.
Put some pieces of sponge inside the hull to absorb any water the may find it's way inside.
Put some flotation foam in the hull. Must be enough to keep it afloat if the boat were to fill with water.  <:(
Fasteners that are not stainless should be painted or sprayed with a silicone spray or light oil to prevent corrosion.

After use wash the boat to remove salt residue. Remove the sponges, check for any water intrusion, clean parts that may have
gotten wet. Pretty much the same prep you'd do in a full sized boat.

Windchaser