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Title: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: river tay on September 24, 2011, 10:04:06 AM
I've just bought the Italeri Schnellboot, which I'll convert to RC, but am having great finding some Cammett sea mines to finish it off. having searched " t'internet", all stockist seem to show no stock levels. I've even e-mailed Cammett, but to date have had no reply. Can anyone help locating a set of these, and possibly the rubber dingy too?
Cheers,
River Tay
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: treeboa on September 24, 2011, 10:40:05 AM
had same issues mate, 5 months and still waiting for replies, you see them come up on ebay occasionally - but they then get silly bids
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Sub driver on September 24, 2011, 12:20:33 PM
Hi.
Cammett no longer produce anything for the italeri Schnellboat, they stopped production quite a while ago now.

regards
Sub.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: longshanks on September 24, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
Accessories for Italeri Schnellboot available here

http://www.modellbau-schatton.privat.t-online.de/html/preisliste.html

Scroll down to near bottom of page .. 1/35

Ref 3545 Depth charge
      3546 Mine
      3558 Mine
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on December 23, 2011, 08:23:21 PM
I've just bought the Italeri Schnellboot, which I'll convert to RC, but am having great finding some Cammett sea mines to finish it off. having searched " t'internet", all stockist seem to show no stock levels. I've even e-mailed Cammett, but to date have had no reply. Can anyone help locating a set of these, and possibly the rubber dingy too?
Cheers,
River Tay
A company called Mastercasters now owns the original Cammett moulds.
They are reproducing the Schnellboot accessories including the mines/armoured skullcap/dinghies/gunshield etc.
Hopefully they will be to the same standard as Cammett productions. (watch this space)
Hope this is of help to you.
I have these on order and are due for delivery in the next week or so.
For more information contact Roberta at:

info@mastercasters.co.uk

MasterCasters
 
28 Bridge Road

Oulton Broad

Suffolk

NR32 3LP

UK

Phone:

 (+44) 01502 586920




Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on December 24, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Hi.
Cammett no longer produce anything for the italeri Schnellboat, they stopped production quite a while ago now.

regards
Sub.
A company called Mastercasters now owns the original Cammett moulds.
They are reproducing the Schnellboot accessories including the mines/armoured skullcap/dinghies/gunshield etc.
Hopefully they will be to the same standard as Cammett productions. (watch this space)
Hope this is of help to you.
I have these on order and are due for delivery in the next week or so.
For more information contact Roberta at:

info@mastercasters.co.uk
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on February 22, 2012, 08:15:54 PM
A company called Mastercasters now owns the original Cammett moulds.
They are reproducing the Schnellboot accessories including the mines/armoured skullcap/dinghies/gunshield etc.
Hopefully they will be to the same standard as Cammett productions. (watch this space)
Hope this is of help to you.
I have these on order and are due for delivery in the next week or so.
For more information contact Roberta at:

info@mastercasters.co.uk

Have finally taken delivery of the dinghys and skull-cap bridge. The mines are going to be cast soon apparently!
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: longshanks on February 22, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
Any chance of a few pics?

Whats the quality like?
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 07, 2012, 10:24:53 PM
Any chance of a few pics?

Whats the quality like?
I will upload when I have worked out how.
Dinghy's very good, Skullcap quite a lot of flashing to trim.
However apparently this was a first batch and they are having some more cast.
They now have Canvas Dodgers in stock, the mines have now gone for casting.
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: longshanks on March 07, 2012, 10:53:59 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 14, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Just worked out how to upload pics!!!! :embarrassed:
Not very good pics of the dinghy's and skullcap bridge available now from Mastercasters, using the original moulds
from Cammett. Canvas dodgers have just been released and the mines have gone for casting!
(http://s16.postimage.org/ltsq5nlc1/DSCF0639.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ltsq5nlc1/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/qjinu9cch/DSCF0643.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qjinu9cch/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: longshanks on April 14, 2012, 11:14:10 PM
Castings looking good  :-))

Nice touch supplying paddles and rowlocks... what are the ' U ' shape etchings for?
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 15, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Castings looking good  :-))

Nice touch supplying paddles and rowlocks... what are the ' U ' shape etchings for?
They fit around the outside of the dinghy with cord attatched through them!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: george on April 15, 2012, 09:01:14 PM
  Hello

 Can you give us an idea of the prices for these additional upgrade fittings and accessories?

 Thanks
 George

 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 16, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
The prices at present are:

Dinghies £7-99  Skullcap Bridge £17-99  Canvas Dodgers £26-99 all plus postage:
I spoke with Roberta at mastercasters last night and apparantely there is a delay in producing the mines set at the moment !

I have tried to upload some pics today of the progress of my S100, unfortunately I keep getting an INVALID FILE notice.
The pics are the same camera/file format/size as previously submitted. I wonder if there is there a problem with the site again!!
I will try again later!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 16, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
Progress so far:
(http://s15.postimage.org/5bgk46eaf/DSCF0562.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5bgk46eaf/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/xs5vaw5hz/DSCF0565.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/xs5vaw5hz/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/ssbmunag3/DSCF0654.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ssbmunag3/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/umz1pwr13/Prob_mods_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/umz1pwr13/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/gscnjmkt7/Prop_mods_4.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gscnjmkt7/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/g9cnv0zdh/prop_mods_6.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/g9cnv0zdh/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/5ay1mxbm3/DSCF0684.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ay1mxbm3/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/lj5yk4r3d/DSCF0686.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lj5yk4r3d/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/urbqvzeb1/DSCF0685.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/urbqvzeb1/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/4644ftyaf/DSCF0629.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4644ftyaf/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 02, 2012, 11:59:29 PM
Progress so far, starting on the rudders etc next!
(http://s14.postimage.org/sfv6gmfkd/DSCF0182.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sfv6gmfkd/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/t7gcbnbfr/DSCF0184.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t7gcbnbfr/)

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Norseman on July 03, 2012, 08:15:19 AM
I was just thinking what good pics those last two where
and I accidentaly clicked on the open picture - it enlarges even further :-)) briliant :}

Dave
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: john44 on July 03, 2012, 09:17:54 AM
See what you mean Dave. brilliant photo,s. Ojay

john
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 06, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Thank you for your positive comments guys, I am currently weathering the bridge area while waiting for the filler on the rudders to set.
The etching parts for the dinghies are proving to be difficult to fit accurately!
More pics to follow soon!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Norseman on July 06, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
I am currently weathering
We are all currently weathering <:(
Yours seems to be the only enjoyable type though :-)) Happy Summer

Dave
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: spooksgone on July 07, 2012, 10:42:29 PM
That's looking good so far, are you going to motorize it? I have some bit's knocking around that might be of use to you, let me know if you need any thing, free of charge of course.
Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 08, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Hi Phil, thanks for the comments and offer. I think I have most areas covered, however I may take you up on your offer if i encounter anything
I haven't thought of!
Yes it is going to be R/C,d. I have 3 x 480 motors + all the radio gear which I will be tackling in the next few weeks.
I'm presently just enjoying assembling the photo etch stuff and modifying the storage facilities on the deck.
Rudders and tubes now completed, just need to sort out how to make the Lurson linkage work with the normal steerage system!
I'm still waiting for Master Casters to get the mine set in production so I can complete the stern area.
A couple more pics of the Master Casters items I recently purchased
(http://s10.postimage.org/50mj7talx/DSCF0202.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/50mj7talx/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/60d8zernz/DSCF0204.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/60d8zernz/)

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: spooksgone on July 08, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
Check out the build of the robbe s boat on this site, it's on the home page, I think. sure that I have seen it some where.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 08, 2012, 04:46:36 PM
Progress so far, starting on the rudders etc next!
(http://s14.postimage.org/sfv6gmfkd/DSCF0182.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sfv6gmfkd/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/t7gcbnbfr/DSCF0184.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t7gcbnbfr/)


Hatches/rudder/storage modifications so far!
(http://s9.postimage.org/45qflwgkr/DSCF0205.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/45qflwgkr/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/fyax4hfnf/DSCF0207.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/fyax4hfnf/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/x9xzrliz5/DSCF0208.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/x9xzrliz5/)

(http://s9.postimage.org/mmpfqglwr/DSCF0214.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mmpfqglwr/)

(http://s8.postimage.org/webzekixt/DSCF0211.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/webzekixt/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/meb79znf5/DSCF0212.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/meb79znf5/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 09, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
This weekends progress!
(http://s12.postimage.org/qep3q69ah/DSCF0218.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/qep3q69ah/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/cz230q0sp/DSCF0220.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cz230q0sp/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/5ahbn5unr/DSCF0221.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ahbn5unr/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: spooksgone on July 10, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
The robbe s boat build is on the mayhem home page, it's in my builds. It should help you sort out the rudder linkage system.
Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 10, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Some more related pics!



(http://s13.postimage.org/yofv487sz/DSCF0223.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/yofv487sz/)
(http://s15.postimage.org/m5xfi74t3/DSCF0203.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/m5xfi74t3/)
(http://s9.postimage.org/aqcyx0pzv/DSCF0565.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aqcyx0pzv/)

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 24, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
Have finally taken delivery of the dinghys and skull-cap bridge. The mines are going to be cast soon apparently!
Gregg
I have been informed this morning that the Mines sets are finally going to be cast. They will contact me when they are available!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Norseman on July 24, 2012, 05:00:29 PM
You are .............. 99 .............in the queue

You are .............. 98 .............in the queue  {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 27, 2012, 08:14:48 PM
Some of my work this week, getting there SLOWLY !

(http://s8.postimage.org/99yaazzch/DSCF0370.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/99yaazzch/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/gz06k0lo9/DSCF0328.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gz06k0lo9/)

(http://s15.postimage.org/we4v7vf93/DSCF0313.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/we4v7vf93/)
 Just need the mines to fill the space :-))
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: wullie/mk2 on July 28, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
The prices at present are:

Dinghies £7-99  Skullcap Bridge £17-99  Canvas Dodgers £26-99 all plus postage:
I spoke with Roberta at mastercasters last night and apparantely there is a delay in producing the mines set at the moment !

I have tried to upload some pics today of the progress of my S100, unfortunately I keep getting an INVALID FILE notice.
The pics are the same camera/file format/size as previously submitted. I wonder if there is there a problem with the site again!!
I will try again later!

£26.99 +postage, for the canvas dodgers WOW,that is very expensive,..i,ve got a 1/24th scale S38 and i got the dodgers made,using calico,and they only cost £7..see pic...if you give me the dimensions i can get you a set done
(http://s13.postimage.org/f81pzmzc3/Picture_051.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/f81pzmzc3/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: wullie/mk2 on July 28, 2012, 12:22:07 AM
I,ve got a set of crew for this model,..i had the model, but swapped it for an u-boot,...but the crew did,nt want to go with the boat,
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 30, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
£26.99 +postage, for the canvas dodgers WOW,that is very expensive,..i,ve got a 1/24th scale S38 and i got the dodgers made,using calico,and they only cost £7..see pic...if you give me the dimensions i can get you a set done
(http://s13.postimage.org/f81pzmzc3/Picture_051.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/f81pzmzc3/)

Thanks for the offer, however I don't intend to fit any dodgers. As a note, the Master Casters phot-etch dodgers are only a couple of pounds more than Cammett used to charge several years ago.
Love the version you have built,  :-)) any more pics!
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: wullie/mk2 on July 30, 2012, 05:04:51 PM
Hi Gregg, I did,nt build this model,...when i got it,it did,nt have any dodgers fitted,and it was only light grey in colour,i added the dodgers,and the camo paint job,and then i added a crew of resin figures,i,m in the process of weathering it,I bought one of the Tamiya weathering packs,and they are really good,..i get all my decals made for me,as its quite hard to get 1/24th decals,
(http://s18.postimage.org/l9srp5nud/Picture_092.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/l9srp5nud/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/8kyh5hhpx/Picture_086.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8kyh5hhpx/)

(http://s11.postimage.org/k816tifjz/Picture_083.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k816tifjz/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/6rd6y85jx/Picture_087.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6rd6y85jx/)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: wullie/mk2 on July 30, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
sea mines here,
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Deutsche-Seemine-08-39-Bausatz-fur-S-100-Boote-1-35-Italerie-/261073790853?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&h
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on August 16, 2012, 10:37:25 AM
Everything on hold until grand-kids go back to school  :((
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 03, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
Everything on hold until grand-kids go back to school  :((
Only a few more days before I can get back to a normal life, ;) and get my modelling board back out :-))
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 08, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
sea mines here,
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Deutsche-Seemine-08-39-Bausatz-fur-S-100-Boote-1-35-Italerie-/261073790853?pt=Standmodelle_Bausätze&h
Thanks for the suggestion, however I am going to wait for the Master Casters mine set.
( I have waited several months, a bit longer won't bother me) {:-{ while I get on with other areas.
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 25, 2012, 01:13:13 AM
Latest modifications, removable main hatch so internal detail will not be lost.
Forward flak tub enlarged as per rpalmacci@free.fr excellent plans.
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot/flaktub2.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/DSCF0374_zpsc4c45b81.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/DSCF0376_zpsc5afe756.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/DSCF0372_zpsc34d9027.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/DSCF0373_zps5510f422.jpg)

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2012, 10:40:05 AM
Last night project also from the excellent plans from rpalmacci@free.fr  I have really got into these as they are so
easy to use and make a big difference to some of the detail.

(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot/RailingsPedestalFlakTubMods.jpg)

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 26, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
Greg,

 Any chance of giving an idea of what the "plans' from "rpalmacci" Comprise etc
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
Greg,

 Any chance of giving an idea of what the "plans' from "rpalmacci" Comprise etc

Click on the address in my post and it will take you to his e-mail address and he will forward his listings  :-) or
http://rpalmacci.free.fr

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Norseman on September 26, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
Hi Gregg - I think it's an email link.

Dave
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 26, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
Click on the address in my post and it will take you to his e-mail address and he will forward his listings  :-) or
http://rpalmacci.free.fr

Gregg

 Gregg,

Thank you, understood  :-)) :-)) :-))

Later, seen his site, A Good find, Has a lot of good info and drawings.

Did you go for all the drawings or what did you choose to "correct"
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2012, 10:13:50 PM
Guday m8,

Glad you understood my ramblings on here.

I have corrected the forward Flak tub, the safety railings for the midship and stern armament and constructed the
pedestal for the Quad Flak-Vierling I am fitting. Check out my pics on here!

At a later date I am converting another Boote to an earlier version using Roberts plans for the earlier bridge structure.

I purchased his drawings ( so cheap) just to have a look then got hooked on actually using them. Robert is also a very
imformative person and always happy to answer any questions.

Hopefully this will help you!

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 27, 2012, 02:04:54 AM

Gregg,

Am saving the pics for reference for my build, when???????????????? one day, in case they are lost from the site.
Title: Re: Italeri 1/35 Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 21, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
For those of you requiring a set of EMC mines for your Bootes, I have just found this supplier http://WhiteEnsignModels.com who are
advertising a set of Depth Charges  & 4 EMC Mines 1/35 scale for the schnellboote.  (MasterCasters)

Have sent an order so eagerly awaiting  some heavy ordanance  :-))

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri 1/35 Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on December 07, 2012, 09:39:59 PM
For those of you requiring a set of EMC mines for your Bootes, I have just found this supplier http://WhiteEnsignModels.com (http://WhiteEnsignModels.com) who are
advertising a set of Depth Charges  & 4 EMC Mines 1/35 scale for the schnellboote.  (MasterCasters)

Have sent an order so eagerly awaiting  some heavy ordanance  :-))

Gregg
Well apparantly these are out of stock :(( :(( :((
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on December 30, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Festivities over, etch-mate out and get on with the multiple 20mm magazine racks!
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on January 07, 2013, 06:41:21 PM
Back on track at last. As I can't get any mines or depth charges (out of stock) :((  I will be filling the stern area with nautical paraphanalia instead!
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot%20For%20Web%20Sites/ReplacingRivets.jp)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot%20For%20Web%20Sites/ReplacingRivets3.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot%20For%20Web%20Sites/PhotoCheck.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot%20For%20Web%20Sites/PhotoCheck3.jpg)
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/Italeri%20Schnellboot%20For%20Web%20Sites/PhotoCheck2.jpg)

Gregg
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on January 07, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
The missing picture hopefully of the rivet replacement
(http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b416/ojayspbody/ReplacingRivets.jpg)
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on February 18, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Having had the brushes and sponges out again, now putting main assemblies together!
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 02, 2013, 09:47:50 PM
latest mods include temporary fit of motor module, taken mould for life jackets and remove boots from crews legs!
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 12, 2013, 05:27:38 PM
Crew limb and head mods under constuction (decapitated and amputated) to position differently from the normal behind guns etc. Figures are a first for me so unsure how they will turn out!
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 29, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
AFV modified figures finally coming together as a naval crew, not yet finished but reasonably happy so far!
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on May 06, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Some more crew mates in production!
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 16, 2013, 12:55:55 PM
Having now decided to incorporate the Luursen Efekt in my build, I built a mock-up on my building board to chek out angles/linkage lengths etc.  Surprise surprise it actually worked so here a pics of my attempts and finished product.
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Just a little work carried out this week, a little more weathering and new locker/cabinet doors fitted.  Torps and tubes painted, brass railings fitted etc. A coat of future to seal before clear matt!
 
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 26, 2013, 08:47:34 PM
 
For us who don't know, could you please explain the Luursen effect, shown in your photos.
 
Thank you
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: cdsc123 on September 26, 2013, 09:19:53 PM

I quote from Harald Foch's Fast Fighting Boats;
..."is based on the flow structure in the vicinity of the propellers and behind them. By swinging out the aerofoil shaped side rudders to about 30 degrees a sudden flow breaking takes place inside the wake, and an air-filled hollow space is caused so that direction and acceleration of the water as well as the stern trimming is markedly influenced.
The following three effects are caused;
1.The rpm is lowered by some revolutions, or the power rises at constant revolutions, as a cause of the retained wake. The propeller efficiency is improved and the speed up-raised by about one knot.
2. The stern wave lifted at about 27m behind the ship is flattened and the other waves lowered remarkably.
3. The stern trim of about 2 1/2 degrees at maximum speed is removed so that the boat runs nearly horizontal.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
Basically it is about keeping the Hull horizontal and increasing the speed by a few knots.
This is an excerpt from a technical journal on the Schnellboot!
Experimentation with S-1 and the intial batch of five additional boats led to immediate  improvements and innovations.  For example, beginning with S-7 (1933) the increased reserve buoyancy of a knuckle added at the bow prevented the boat from nosing into waves in foul weather. Another key innovation was the addition of a special rudder arrangement beginning with S-2 (1932).  Port and starboard of the main rudder were two smaller rudders  which could be angled outboard to 30 degrees.  Known as the "Luerssen Effekt," at high speed,  the angled rudders drew a ventilation air pocket slightly behind the three propellors,  increasing their effiency, reducing the stern wave and keeping the boat at a nearly  horizontal attitude.   A wedge was added to the lower stern beginning with S-18 (1938). This deflected the water flow slightly downwards, counteracting any tendency for the hull to  settle into the water as speed increased.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
I quote from Harald Foch's Fast Fighting Boats;
..."is based on the flow structure in the vicinity of the propellers and behind them. By swinging out the aerofoil shaped side rudders to about 30 degrees a sudden flow breaking takes place inside the wake, and an air-filled hollow space is caused so that direction and acceleration of the water as well as the stern trimming is markedly influenced.
The following three effects are caused;
1.The rpm is lowered by some revolutions, or the power rises at constant revolutions, as a cause of the retained wake. The propeller efficiency is improved and the speed up-raised by about one knot.
2. The stern wave lifted at about 27m behind the ship is flattened and the other waves lowered remarkably.
3. The stern trim of about 2 1/2 degrees at maximum speed is removed so that the boat runs nearly horizontal.

I like your description better Christian! lol
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 26, 2013, 10:02:07 PM
I quote from Harald Foch's Fast Fighting Boats;
..."is based on the flow structure in the vicinity of the propellers and behind them. By swinging out the aerofoil shaped side rudders to about 30 degrees a sudden flow breaking takes place inside the wake, and an air-filled hollow space is caused so that direction and acceleration of the water as well as the stern trimming is markedly influenced.
The following three effects are caused;
1.The rpm is lowered by some revolutions, or the power rises at constant revolutions, as a cause of the retained wake. The propeller efficiency is improved and the speed up-raised by about one knot.
2. The stern wave lifted at about 27m behind the ship is flattened and the other waves lowered remarkably.
3. The stern trim of about 2 1/2 degrees at maximum speed is removed so that the boat runs nearly horizontal.

No wonder they were succesful boats you wonder how we won the war against such technology, for that era
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 26, 2013, 10:05:02 PM
Basically it is about keeping the Hull horizontal and increasing the speed by a few knots.
This is an excerpt from a technical journal on the Schnellboot!
Experimentation with S-1 and the initial batch of five additional boats led to immediate  improvements and innovations.  For example, beginning with S-7 (1933) the increased reserve buoyancy of a knuckle added at the bow prevented the boat from nosing into waves in foul weather. Another key innovation was the addition of a special rudder arrangement beginning with S-2 (1932).  Port and starboard of the main rudder were two smaller rudders  which could be angled outboard to 30 degrees.  Known as the "Luerssen Effekt," at high speed,  the angled rudders drew a ventilation air pocket slightly behind the three propellors,  increasing their efficiency, reducing the stern wave and keeping the boat at a nearly  horizontal attitude.   A wedge was added to the lower stern beginning with S-18 (1938). This deflected the water flow slightly downwards, counteracting any tendency for the hull to  settle into the water as speed increased.
 
 
 

Thank you, will have to now digest your photos to understand the setup.
Thanks again to all  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: derekwarner on September 26, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
I don't understand the red line linkage between the inboard servo arm and the outer servo body.............. :o .......Derek
 
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32872.0;attach=129268;image)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 26, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
The linkage you mention is attached to the sliding servo box (outer servo) which slides forwards & backwards.
This physically moves that servo fore & aft!  Depending on the angle of the (outer servo) arms determines the angle of the rudders!
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: derekwarner on September 27, 2013, 01:35:56 AM
Thanks ojays........ O0  ...I understand now..... I have not seen this concept used in model RC.......very ingenious.......
1. do you use a servo slow down on the inboard servo?
2. does the function [improved performance in the real vessel] carry over to the scale model? .......Derek
 
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32872.0;attach=128892;image)
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Circlip on September 27, 2013, 09:42:54 AM
If you omit the central rudder connection from the "Front" servo, you have the setup that one version of the Vee tail mixers we've been using in toy aeros for years.
 
  Regards  Ian.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 27, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
I can't take the credit for the design, as I saw a similar set up in metal on another site!
As to whether it works, time will tell.  I have seen a Boot on You-Tube and it appears to work at high speed.
The steering/speed etc will be controlled through some electrical gizmo's I bought from 'The Component Store' (previously Action Electronics)
As to the V-tail mixer, I often used these in my R/C planes.  However I liked the challenge of constructing this, and making it work!
 
 
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Mad Scientist on September 28, 2013, 01:06:19 AM
'The Component Store' = http://www.componentshop.co.uk/ (http://www.componentshop.co.uk/) , right?
 
Sorry, I'm new here.
 
Tom
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 28, 2013, 07:53:22 PM
'The Component Store' = http://www.componentshop.co.uk/ (http://www.componentshop.co.uk/) , right?
 
Sorry, I'm new here.
 
Tom

Thanks for correcting that Tom, their service is brilliant.  I received my goodies the day after ordering!
Gregg
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Mad Scientist on September 29, 2013, 03:26:49 AM
'Service is brilliant!'
 
Yes, it, looks brilliant from my perspective, too!
 
Ordered the Traplet Pilot Boat Plans and 'Woodcut' set today. Checked out Component Shop, and look forward to ordering items from Component Shop! Really love the links to the ACTion Electronics .pdf files.
 
Tom
io the
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 18, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
For all you Booters out there who are after EMC Mines for your build, they are available form the original moulder Robin (ex-cammett) now of his new venture www.scalewarship.com (http://www.scalewarship.com)  :-)       
The carriage is of a slightly different type to the original, but I'm sure the quality will still be as good.  He is also thinking of producing a set of the Conical Magnetic mines in the same scale.  :-)
To view the EMC go to . www.scalewarship.com/store/index (http://www.scalewarship.com/store/index)
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 19, 2013, 04:37:37 PM
Yet another set has just popped up, available at the end of the month apparently. :-)
A set of 4 injection moulded similar to the original cammett product. www.facebook.com/AFVCLUB.TW (http://www.facebook.com/AFVCLUB.TW)
 
Seems Christmas has come early for us Booters! :-))
 
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 22, 2013, 02:40:45 PM
Yet another set has just popped up, available at the end of the month apparently. :-)
A set of 4 injection moulded similar to the original cammett product. www.facebook.com/AFVCLUB.TW (http://www.facebook.com/AFVCLUB.TW)
 
Seems Christmas has come early for us Booters! :-))
 
Gregg

Not being imported into the UK until January! <:(
Gregg
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 27, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
Is there a problem today, I have tried to update my post with some photo's and keep receiving an error mssg stating that the present server may be busy, try again later! >>:-( >>:-(
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 27, 2013, 02:25:17 PM
Trying again.
Finalising the weathering, crew positions and preparing the access hatches for sealing. Having problems with my Vallejo Matt varnish, shaken, stirred and still drying with a sheen.  Think I may have a dodgy batch, and may use another make to finish!
 
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on January 30, 2014, 06:02:50 PM
Having got some of my Mo-Jo back, and a new camera, here are a few updates.
I noticed that several of the crew figures I was going to use had gone AWOL, so here are a few new poses I have produced.
The next step is to tackle the hull, all 3ft of it, hopefully it won't take too long (no pun intended) but it will be the largest area I will have attempted with brush & acrylics.
Thank goodness for Future to seal between base coats & weathering, makes it so easy to remove errors!




Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: mark w on January 31, 2014, 04:18:53 AM
Lookin' great  :-))


Mark
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on February 18, 2014, 09:33:11 PM
Started on the hull weathering at last, been putting it off for a long while as such a large area to cover, 39 inches long.




Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: mark w on February 18, 2014, 09:56:44 PM
Ojays,
 
Lookin' great  :-)) . Models always look better as a "real working" type boat, I believe.
 
Mark
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on February 22, 2014, 10:40:28 PM
A few close ups of the crew positions etc..

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: mark w on February 23, 2014, 03:44:31 AM
Very cool  :-))


Mark
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on April 07, 2014, 11:13:35 AM
Made a start on installing the electronic gizmo's. 
Positions not finalised yet as still need to do a balance check on water.




Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on June 28, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
Not been modelling for a while for various reasons.
Now back and major electrical problem now sorted.
Weight comes out a little more than I anticipated at 6.8lbs (may have to use a smaller battery), just hope she doesn't sit too low in the water.
Hopefully maiden voyage soon!
Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: derekwarner on June 29, 2014, 01:05:01 AM
Gregg....that sure is a bit of realism with the acetylene bottle standing up & the oxygen laying down  :-))......

If you are trying to save some weight....why not exhaust the gas bottles  {-) .....after all they contain liquid...... %) ....Derek
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on July 07, 2014, 11:04:40 PM
 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) Derek.
Waterproof seals fitted (windscreen wiper blade rubbers)
Electronics all working correctly with rudder/prop mixing sorted.
Lurssen Effekt working as I wanted (well mechanism anyway)
Don't know if it will affect the attitude as it should on water.




Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 09, 2014, 10:54:03 PM
I have decided this is as far as I want to go with this build.
Just need the parks authorities to refill the boating pond, that they have decided to drain for the first time in 25yrs.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 09, 2014, 10:58:14 PM
The last batch!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on November 09, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
My next build, which I hope will be ready for when the pond is refilled next year.
R/C again but only as a surface runner, as I haven't the funds or expertise to make her a diver.
All 53 inches of her.

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: essex2visuvesi on November 10, 2014, 12:25:50 AM
Im tempted to buy one of these, but I have too many others to build first.


The attention to detail on this beggars belief, I love it..... looking forward to seeing it on the water
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: derekwarner on November 10, 2014, 01:16:41 AM
 :-)...I am not tempted to try a build >>:-( .....but absolutely superb detailing & weathering ojays  :-))... congratulations.........

I have sent a PM about larger images & e-mail address...............Derek
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ballastanksian on November 10, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Hi Ojays, Lovely build and impressive paintwork. It is a shame that the mines were such a nuisance to get, I bet you are glad you did not want loads as it might have taken ages to get them all.

I hope your lake is refilled and ready soon
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on September 04, 2018, 12:45:31 PM
Very late update.
Still not having a local pond to use, I have temporary membership of Bridlington Model Boat club.
Hopefully I will be able to take the S-100, and my Flower Corvette, and finally get them on the water.
Photo is of the only time she has touched water so far.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: Perkasaman2 on September 04, 2018, 03:48:58 PM
Many thanks for the update. It provided a chance to read your excellent build thread.
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 16, 2019, 10:39:23 PM
Finally in the lake.

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 16, 2019, 10:41:00 PM
Many thanks for the update. It provided a chance to read your excellent build thread.
Many thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed!
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: mrzippy on March 17, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
Hi Ojays, Interesting, informative build and superb weathering an inspiration for fellow modellers !
Any thoughts about the rudders set up ? now you've had her running.  Paul

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on March 17, 2019, 12:24:40 PM
Hi Ojays, Interesting, informative build and superb weathering an inspiration for fellow modellers !
Any thoughts about the rudders set up ? now you've had her running.  Paul)

Thanks for the positive comments.
To be honest, no noticeable difference in speed or stance.

Gregg
Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 04, 2019, 04:24:47 PM

Now moving on to a new owner.
I have achieved what I set out to do, and need the space and funds for new projects.


The motors have been changed since last posting, now higher revving which has made a
big difference.
The Lurssen system now actually makes the hull flatter when activated at speed.


Result, a happy builder.

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 04, 2019, 04:29:13 PM

Pic 2.



Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 04, 2019, 04:30:29 PM

Pic 3.



Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 04, 2019, 04:31:25 PM

Pic 4.

Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 10, 2019, 08:19:39 PM

Little update.
I have changed the motors to higher revving ones, and back to the lake.
A big difference, when the Lurssen was applied at speed, there was a definite
change in hull attitude.
Now having achieved what I had set out to do, she has moved on to a new owner.
But not before a last visit to our local pond.



Title: Re: Italeri Schnellboot accesories
Post by: ojays on October 10, 2019, 08:23:36 PM

Done it again, doubled up on the posts.
Memory obviously getting worse, sorry no idea how to delete one of the posts.