Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: AT Boatyard on October 11, 2011, 06:09:41 pm
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Hi every one. Please be made aware that there is a guy making out he is selling a 1/8th scale Trent Class lifeboat. He is claiming that his grand father built it and that his name was Peter. We bid on this lifeboat and won the item on Sunday. The guy was going to deliver it today, but has given one excuse after another.
He already had our money and wanted us to leave his feedback before we got the item. We became very wary of this. This is not how ebay and paypal work. He is claiming that it is not Ron Patterson's Trent, so here are two links, one from Mayhem showing Ron and his boat (scroll down the page) and one from ebay.
Let me know what you guys think. Pay special attention to the colour of the ropes in the forward hatch and also the stand.
Can we have two people in Britain build very thing identical?
Here are the links Mayhem http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8032.msg106970#msg106970 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8032.msg106970#msg106970)
Ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270832318650
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Absolutely the same boat , report this to Ebay/PayPal AND the police this is fraud
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Looks dodgy to me!
Be afraid be very afraid!
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Time for the Police I feel....the guy has re-listed a boat that has been paid for and to me, looks like Rons boat..... <*< :police:
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There cannot be two boats built so identical as that, no way, stay clear and report it.
Jimmy
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Absolutely the same boat. Even the table is identical. >>:-(
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Definitely same boat, same Ron and same Mrs Ron in the background!
Russ
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It does say on the original listing at the bottom
"Any offer will be accepted. Relisted on behalf of my husband due to delivery problems "
But as others have said ...
Get your claim in quickley with Ebay / paypal.. Notice account only open september 2011... It could be genuine, these things happen..But.. :police:
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Same boat no question, report him.
Brian
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not only that,
I remember speaking to Ron and him saying he WOULD NEVER sell it.
Defo the same boat.
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look at his feedback sold this boat as a Severn on 3rd October according to pictures on the listing
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Am I a bit slow here,
It's obviously the same boat...
Are we saying the boat has been stolen and offered for sale, or the ebayer doesn't have the boat, just the pictures and it is a complete con?
For sale again and again?
Allegedly
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definitely the same pictures attributed to two different listings - one for a 1/12 Severn one set for a 1/8 Trent
Feedback left by the first "buyer" also
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on his feedback 8th 12th scale looks same slug
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Well does anyone have a contact for Ron to find out if it has been stolen? surely, if it had, new pics would have been taken...
Dan
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That's definitely Ron's 1/8 Trent and I remember him saying that he'd never sell it, got to be fraud and time for the police. Dave. >:-o >:-o >:-o
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listings just been removed!
Heres the sellers info
andrew horsley
356 binns road
old swan
liverpool
Merseyside
l13 1dd
United Kingdom
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slow down chaps the guys address is on the listing if you google maps it you will see the house so the address does exist although that's not to say he lives there your better off emailing him and getting a landline phone number to speak to him personally.
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Doesn't mean its his house though does it.
The listing is wrong from the start... too suspicious.
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You beat us to it fat cat. We have his mobile number if you want it.
Also everything he does, he does it by ebay mobile.
Power to the Mayhemers.
Thankyou for your support guys and girls
regards
Debbie and Alan
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yep, your right he uses his mobile to advertise also if you look at what he's sold and bought it's just cheap tat to build up some feedback <*< I hope you paid with Paypal or your going to have a hell of a job getting your money back.
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Factoid
The Meccano factory was in Binns road
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Assume it already has been reported to ebay though by now?
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That place has been bulldozed ,gone ,not there ,dosent exist .
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That place has been bulldozed ,gone ,not there ,dosent exist .
I did say "was" :-))
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Ebay should have much better checks in place before someone can set up an account, at the very least a proven, checked valid address with contact details. Dave. >:-o >:-o >:-o
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The completed listings says he's successfully sold the same boat 3 times!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/csc/andywavertree1987/m.html?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m283
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Managed to file a report with ebay saying the item appears to be someone else's.
The level of detail on the boat cant be anything other than the same one.
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I've filed a report on ebay too, would be interesting to hear what Ron Patterson thinks about it. Would be good it those photos on ebay could be traced to a website, Dave. >:-o
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The completed listings says he's successfully sold the same boat 3 times!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/csc/andywavertree1987/m.html?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m283
Oh christ a Tamar aswell.
That middle pic of it, slightly blured and on full power looks familiar aswell.
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Hi
I looked on google street view and the address exists, but a quick people search on 192.com didn't show an A or Andrew Horsley in Old Swan. I really hate dishonesty.
Regards Norseman
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he's not only tried to pull this one, but only a week or so ago he had the same worded advert on a listing for a fully built Tamar 1;12 scale boat, on a buy it now for £650 and it sold within an hour of going on, so it looks as though he has also conned someone for £650 for a tamar that didn't therefor exist, and I'm sure that I recognised the boat as someone's on here....there was also a link to the boat sailing on you tube but can't find it at the mo.
so has anyone bought a tamar on here for £650 in the last 10 days and is waiting for it............definately a con, and this sort of thing was rife in the motor section for about 18 months ..lets hope it's not going to filter down to model boats. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
neil.
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One thing though, Why did you leave feedback before receiving the item ?..
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he's not only tried to pull this one, but only a week or so ago he had the same worded advert on a listing for a fully built Tamar 1;12 scale boat, on a buy it now for £650 and it sold within an hour of going on, so it looks as though he has also conned someone for £650 for a tamar that didn't therefor exist, and I'm sure that I recognised the boat as someone's on here....there was also a link to the boat sailing on you tube but can't find it at the mo.
so has anyone bought a tamar on here for £650 in the last 10 days and is waiting for it............definately a con, and this sort of thing was rife in the motor section for about 18 months ..lets hope it's not going to filter down to model boats. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
neil.
I knew it, look at the photos - http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html (http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html)
Same as ebay
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I just looked at his two remaining posts for motorbike stuff. Interesting both were posted from ebay mobile. So is it easier to scam from a phone than a computer with an IP address?
Norseman
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If you look at the state of the spelling,in the advert,and the way its worded,definately a foriegner scammer
Or he needs to go back to school
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I have ebay mobile on my iphone, you still need to be registered to use it.
However, if hes using a dodgy address, and a pay as you go simcard, its possible he would get away with it. But paypal would have to release funds into a bank account anyway..
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Quite a few people these days use a mobile as their only phone... no land line.
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Yes I understand no land line is possiblebut I think most people have access to computers. I googled the address and got
Property type: Terraced | Tenure: Freehold | Last sale:£83,500 | Sale date: 12th Oct 2009 and now has an estimate value of £74,026
It's amazing what's on the web about us all - and I have almost no computer skills.
Norseman
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I know hindsight is a marvelous thing but if I was paying hundreds for somethin from ebay regardless of reputable feedback or not, I would want to pick up in person and see the goods before parting with the money. An item for a tenner, 50 or even say 75 quid I would risk to paypal but hundreds no. And any item that says pick up or delivery only after cleared funds just sets the alarm bells ringing. I tried to buy a Lamby frame and bits last year for a bargain buy it now price but even though it was only 25 miles away and I could pick up in an hour the seller insisted I pay by paypal first then pick up. I walked away. I really do hope you have your money refunded and these robbing Bs are brought to book.
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Just a thought, has this seller ever had any thing hes listed ? Or has he scammed some pictures? Sadly its possible from Mayhem even.Of course without permission. This would be why things look identical.John.
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Well the tamar are defo off speedlines site.
ive seen that picture featured somewhere aswell of the trent with ron in the background.
Sods these people are. Its makes me question what dragged them up to be scammers.
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I knew it, look at the photos - http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html (http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html)
Same as ebay
I knew I'd seen them somewhere before.....it was the slipway launch that I remember.
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And he's got 100% feedback,because of 9 items he bought,and 3 he scammed ,to leave feedback.
Would never buy of someone,without less than 100 positive feedbacks,been bitten before
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Well the tamar are defo off speedlines site.
ive seen that picture featured somewhere aswell of the trent with ron in the background.
Sods these people are. Its makes me question what dragged them up to be scammers.
You're right, knew I'd seen those Tamar photos somewhere. Also on Ron Pattersons Trent the 14-14 on the rear of the superstructure is a little small, exactly same in one 'allegedly' for sale/sold, Dave. >:-o
http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html (http://speedlinemodels.com/page29aaaa.html)
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Mobiles have a gps and it works ,so a person can put an advert on from any place that dosent exist , not really clever just a nasty way to con .
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Hi Every one here is the con mans phone number 07572420269
If we all keep ring it and sending him text then the phone will become useless to the con man.
he will have to turn it of or get a new sim
kind regards
Alan and Debbie
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He's on another site
http://zx6r.com/classifieds/16281-zx6r-98-02-pyramid-seat-cowl.html
and has "other" activities
http://m.vivastreet.co.uk/auditions+liverpool-l15/female-models-required-/36204758
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I saw this and read it and was particularly taken by the offer to deliver anywhere in the UK for £40 (which was £50 in the postage section above) It seemed like an outstanding offer, too good to be true and made me think about how trusting most of us are about the 'tales of woe' increasingly seen in listings - along with the appalling picture quality and minimal descriptions some think are acceptable. I hope ebay take this up and involve the police, it would be nice to see someone involve the media and get some reassuring feedback and constructive comment from the very anonymous people at ebay and paypal. I think this is on the increase and need to feel that these massive and profitable companies are bothered!!
This makes me very angry >>:-(
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Hi Everyone
Forgot to say we got all our money back from paypal.
been on the phone tonight to another chap.
He give the con man money last week and has had all the excuses under the sun.
He is on the phone to paypal as i type this.
I do hope he gets his money back to.
kind regards
Alan and Debbie
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As much as I dont like Paypal, the one thing I have noticed in my years of using them, is that they will always blame the "seller" irrespective of reasons involved if there is a dispute.
Particularly so where there are claims of Non delivery - the seller has to provide proof of delivery or they will lose everytime.
And in Paypals small print it states that they Paypal must have access to online proof of delivery - now obviously this can be contentious and of course NOT all courier firms have such a facility. In the past on a couple of occasions I took issue with them and pointed out that a certified receipt provided to me by a courier was sufficient proof and they backed down. In the early days of Royal Mail Special Delivery they did not have this online facility and Paypal tried refusing to accept their supplied printed proof - threatening them with County Court action soon turned that attitude around.
However if YOU pay by Paypal and you collect the goods, that throws up another case of worms potentially. As a buyer you could claim subsequently that you have not had the goods and the seller has to prove this somehow - I wonder how many times this has happened. And before anyone says it, addresses stored by Ebay are not necessarily accurate at all, all they are concerned with is taking as many fees as they can get, not security when opening accounts.
AND of course lets not forget Ebay INSISTS that Paypal is offered on all auctions, and it is outside their terms of trading to put in a listing Cash Only accepted as method of payment - if someone complains they pull the advert and do not reimburse your listing fee always.
Mind you of course there can be problems with transactions whereby you meet up with someone and hand over CASH - how do you know the police are not going to come knocking on your door in the future for buying stolen goods ?
What do we all do - lock ourselves in our houses and not come out in the future or do we take our chances in the big bad world full of scammers and thieves ?
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I stuck the boot in last night and reported him and his escapades to Merseyside police giving the dealings on ebay, the Kawasaki forum and his modelling web site as fraudulent daliances......pity more of us don't take the same strong line....only takes a phone call or an email, and he'll be right in the S ***.
neil.
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Very true Neil - some Police Forces are more receptive to Internet Fraud these days.
Pity all of them are not - once went to report an issue a couple of years back, and as soon as they heard the word Ebay they were disinterested.
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Not much use where you guys are but I know Essex Police has a very good Internet Fraud dept.
Someone tried to pull a fast one a few years ago claiming I didn't post something.
He was happy once he saw the Royal mail receipts and tickets. Apparently its a common scam. Wait a month or so and then go to the police as most people will chuck the tickets away once it shows a delivered
Something to bear in mind tho If you send something recorded, even once its been delivered keep the tickets. You never know when they might be needed.
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A couple of years ago I sold an RC car to a chap in Belgium through another club site for Tamiya cars and he paid me through Paypal as 'goods'. Even though it wasn't an ebay sale it was a convenient way to move funds.
After a couple of months he complained to Paypal that it was never received without even consulting me and they stopped my account instantly!! I had not kept the receipts and the only way I could get my account reinstated was to refund £155 >>:-(
Almost a year later the car turned up in his club showroom which I'd been watching like a hawk :police: luckily I had kept pictures of it and all the mail exchanges with him and paypal and could instantly prove to the club moderators what had happened and they were good enough to take it up with him on my behalf. He claimed it had arrived six months late smashed to bits which didn't stack up with the pictures he posted and even if this had been true it's no excuse for theft or fraud <*< luckily for me he paid up as I'm not sure how Paypal would have reacted or how long it would have taken to sort through them.
So, moral is that it's not just ebay transactions where you are at risk but any transaction where you've used Paypal to pay for goods and unfortunately, as someone said earlier as a seller you're considered guilty until proven innocent >:-o
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Anyone wanting horror stories on Paypal should read the forums on www.paypalsucks.com -- they are a law unto themselves at times it would seem.
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unfortunatly as seen ebay is an ideal place for scammers - both ways and flogging stolen goods, one reason i tend to either collect it myself or deal with people that have a good feedback, i have had a few blatent lies told too me recently, seen a few radio`s that i was interested in but as they did not say what band they were i have asked - ive had a few replies back now saying the likes of ` hi, its 35 but all aircraft are now using 2.4 so its ok on water`
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So pleased the OP got their money back, I've always been very wary of scammers buying from me and claiming non delivery, so I always make sure I keep postage receipts until I've received feedback. I have a few outstanding from a few months ago so I'm waiting for the fallout!! I have been known to stand some postage costs myself if I'm worried about the package. I recently sold an item and quoted Royal mail second class, but bottled out and sent it UPS!! Cost me another 6 quid!! Oh well.....
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Also get yourself a prepay mastercard to link to your paypal account and use for online dealings. Only put on what you're going to spend, that way no one gets access to any of you bank details
This is the one I use
http://www.mycashplus.co.uk/
There is a small fee but its nothing compared with some of the alternatives
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on reason i don't use ebay anymore aswell as the countless other reasons... is because i once had an issue with paypal and rang them. I got a rubbish response and so i kicked off, next thing i know my account had been cancelled and would never be re-opened. the only way to open a new one is to change address and close all my bank accounts and then open a new one.
Don't think so some how...
Dan
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I like the sound of the prepaid Mastercard O0
That has to be the way forward for on-line shopping and definitely worth a look.
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I still buy Ink cartridges for my printer off Ebay but only from a supplier that I've been using for the last 5 years ( 4 sets of colour and 8 black , 20 cartridges in total with free delivery for £8.50 from England , ok all refilled but I've never had one fail and considering official Epson inks are around a tenner each..... )
When I get round to having a clear out of the hulls I won't build I'll list them on here at least I know the guys on here so nowhere near the risks of problems that you get on Ebay
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Hi
I've had over a hundred purchases on Ebay (many international) and have only been done once for £52 - and that was by a UK scooter guy I had bought from him before too - said the item was misplaced etc etc. I use Ebay a lot but if something looks even slightly odd to me I walk away, and there has to be a lot of 'selling' feedback too.
Oh yes and there was once a USA guy who had doubled the amount on the Paypal site when I went to pay - it would have been easy to miss seeing that one.
All in all though I couldn't have found parts for my 1950's german scooters without Ebay.
Regards Norseman
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I know hindsight is a marvelous thing but if I was paying hundreds for somethin from ebay regardless of reputable feedback or not, I would want to pick up in person and see the goods before parting with the money. An item for a tenner, 50 or even say 75 quid I would risk to paypal but hundreds no. And any item that says pick up or delivery only after cleared funds just sets the alarm bells ringing. I tried to buy a Lamby frame and bits last year for a bargain buy it now price but even though it was only 25 miles away and I could pick up in an hour the seller insisted I pay by paypal first then pick up. I walked away. I really do hope you have your money refunded and these robbing Bs are brought to book.
well I know this is off topic so apologies but, I always or nearly always stipulate cleared funds before the item is posted. Are you seriously saying you expect the seller to post before he has received money?
You wouldnt be able to pay for a car and drive it away immediately unless you paid cash. If you pay by cheque \ credit card or other method, the seller expects to have your money before you drive away.
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Yes but is,nt this stating cleared in my account.. Not paypal account but his / her bank account,ie buyer has paid and then seller has transfred the funds from paypal to their account.. ebay rules once paid on ebay/paypal goods must be delivered within the designated time frame.?
The way Ebay is at the moment a seller would not last long if items were not delivered within 2-3 days
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well I know this is off topic so apologies but, I always or nearly always stipulate cleared funds before the item is posted. Are you seriously saying you expect the seller to post before he has received money?
No im not saying that, Im saying if I could pick something up and pay cash on collection why would I do what some people on ebay insist on which is making payment by paypal first then coming to collect it. I certainly wouldn't expect someone to let me collect the goods take them away and then pay but in the example that I gave that happened to me, and perhaps I didnt make this quite clear, I wanted to buy something, drive through to them and give the seller cash and then take item away. THis seller insisted he had to have the payment made through paypal first then I could come an pick it up as he wouldnt accept cash on collection. And I have seen quite a few ebay ads for high priced goods that say 'full amount to be paid within 24/48 hours etc before Item can be collected'. If your collecting it why cant the seller accept cash? May have a genuine reason but whats more simple than cash on collection?
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I think that there is something about paying cash, and the buyers have said that they never collected it and have put in a claim or something and then the buyer gets there money back as Ebay will only accept Recorded/special delivery as proof of posting.. or something like that..
Just looking at the ebay board it is actually better for the seller to accept cash and not pp so pass..!! The boards seem to say even if they live next door have it delivered.. obviously not always possible but then thats ebay
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hello, if anyone's interested I'm selling the website name 'Model boat Mayhem' it's really mine and you can have it for £200 cash. Send pound notes to Mr Asif po box 33, flat one just above the sweetshop merseyside. I'll send you the name, honest!
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Only £200-00,
If you give me your bank details you can recover the £20 Trillion pounds owed to me, take half of that for your trouble and take off the £200-00 for the Domain Name.
Anonymous
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hello, if anyone's interested I'm selling the website name 'Model boat Mayhem' it's really mine and you can have it for £200 cash. Send pound notes to Mr Asif po box 33, flat one just above the sweetshop merseyside. I'll send you the name, honest!
Deal!
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No im not saying that, Im saying if I could pick something up and pay cash on collection why would I do what some people on ebay insist on which is making payment by paypal first then coming to collect it. I certainly wouldn't expect someone to let me collect the goods take them away and then pay but in the example that I gave that happened to me, and perhaps I didnt make this quite clear, I wanted to buy something, drive through to them and give the seller cash and then take item away. THis seller insisted he had to have the payment made through paypal first then I could come an pick it up as he wouldnt accept cash on collection. And I have seen quite a few ebay ads for high priced goods that say 'full amount to be paid within 24/48 hours etc before Item can be collected'. If your collecting it why cant the seller accept cash? May have a genuine reason but whats more simple than cash on collection?
Ebay see 'cash on collection' as a potential means of avoiding their (excessive!) charges. So they try and force you to use paypal to make sure they get their pound of flesh while at the same time, promoting buyer safety should anything go wrong.
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Hi Alan,
Any response from Ebay or Paypal yet?
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I very nearly bought the Oxford First Time Panniers of this guy but he wanted payment via goods and for me to pay his ebay fees, he was told to do one, which I am glad about now...
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I see your man is not a registered user now.
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On E'bay at the moment.
This listing (270832318650) has been removed, or this item is not available.
Some sort of response I suppose.
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Hi Alan,
Any response from Ebay or Paypal yet?
Cant speak for anyone else but I've had no response from fleabay regarding the listing I flagged up to them.
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Hi Alan,
Any response from Ebay or Paypal yet?
yes martin got all my money back and ebay have kicked the con man off
regards
alan
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A good result in the end Alan
Geoff
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Hi all , We used to say that there was a sucker born every minute, but I think that has changed to two every 30 seconds. This is how I deal on Ebay, I check the sellers feed back & take particular note of how complaints have been handled. If their feed back is less than 99% I will steer clear of them, NO exceptions. Any slight suspection & I will wait for another to show up, I don't let greed drive my buying. With over 400 Ebay transactions I have had trouble two times, both were corrected by Ebay to my satisfaction. It is always a judgment call but with a little care you can save yourself a lot of grief. Buyer beware still lives on. Mick B.
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To a point I agree, but I have also seen sellers ratings trashed by just 1 buyer who felt that a used and worn item should not have any marks on it and wanted a partial refund, they got the refund but still neg'ed the seller for no good reason..That 1 neg would take them below your threshold of 99%, which at the end of the day is your descision, however I will look also at the person /s who have negged a buyer I might be interested in and see if they have a habit of doing so, how long they have been on ebay etc etc..
I can almost guarantee that if all sellers (not ebay) had similar ratings as to ebay None of them would be 100 % as you can never please everyone and you always get 1 plonker buying stuff..
Reading the boards more buyers are complaining about the price of the postage, where in a lot of cases the postage charged is less than they have been charged, this really urks me as if you bid on something you can see the cost of postage so if your not happy move on.
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There are wise words here. Like so much else folks tend to forget "Caveat Emptor". As one who has sold and bought on ebay I always look at feedbacks as a guide to buying and ask questions where I have doubts. Also I look at the spelling of the listing, most conmen don't seem able to spell.
As a seller I'm certain I've been ripped off a couple of times by people claiming not to have received the goods and having to give refunds. But how can you prove some guy in Australia did get a parcel without paying the PO double to do what they said they would do in the first place. All standard postage rates should come with a guarentee of delivery, you shouldn't need to pay extra for it.
It's become quite fashionable to knock ebay but it's still a useful resource provided people take the same sort of care they would take in any retail situation.
I ordered some GRP resin yesterday and was able to buy a quarter of a kilo whereas my local supplier would only sell me a full kilo. Like any other tool Ebay can work if you use it properly.
As for the numbnuts selling the lifeboats I just hope they can find a suitable yardarm.
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... But how can you prove some guy in Australia did get a parcel without paying the PO double to do what they said they would do in the first place. All standard postage rates should come with a guarentee of delivery, you shouldn't need to pay extra for it.
I don't use the PO any more. Delivery is slow, service is poor, and prices are often not competitive.
Now I use parcel2go.com for domestic and international. You get instant quotes online from 4 carriers/services. They use DHL and other major carriers, offer a range of delivery options (1day,2day, slower), and are sometimes much cheaper than the PO. Added bonus they collect from your home. I also think (can't remember) that tracking is online.
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If you want to use DHL and have more than one parcel to send internationally to the same recipient then use http://www.parcelmonkey.co.uk/ as they cheaper for multiple packages
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You need to watch out for the smaller, franchies. One setup used by the firm I work for decided that he wasn't making enough money. Locked up his unit and left..... with our goods inside, weeks before we got the stuff back.
Fastway turned out to be slow-way...or even no-way