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Mess Deck: General Section => Full Scale Ships => Topic started by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 01:20:36 am

Title: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 01:20:36 am
I not really sure where to put this bit here goes. I found this video of a ship which is likely to be my next model or at least her sister Norbay.
Things like this are invaluable when it comes to hull detail. It must useful to someone else.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps4zRyj43sE&feature=related.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 09:20:01 pm
I know this has been mentioned before but I'll stick it in here anyway.  A great site for deck plans and G/A plans.
http://hhvferry.com/deckplans
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 09:33:42 pm
Another great place for photos of ferries.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 14, 2011, 10:33:23 pm
And another - mostly Dover related....

http://www.doverferryphotos.co.uk/

BTW - excellent youtube vid of the Norbank there Ali.........thanks mate, thoroughly enjoyed that  :-)) :-))
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 10:37:25 pm
Hopefully we can make this a regular thing and grow it into a great place to come if you need any ferry related info.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 11:09:58 pm
Here's an other vid you might like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aBfEOmOJXs&feature=related
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 14, 2011, 11:31:51 pm
Cheers Ali - nice ship, but I dont think she would make a good sailing model. Imagine the windage!!!!

Here is another ferry site that I have in my 'favourites':

http://www.ferryfantastic.webs.com/photogallery.htm

Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 11:36:42 pm
WOW! see what can happen with a bit of collaboration.  Bookmark this one.

Thanks, Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 14, 2011, 11:42:26 pm
Another one for you mate............right up your harbour!!!!

http://www.justferries.de/norbay.htm

Loads of videos here..........
Carl

PS - and this is the link to the photographs:

http://www.justferries.de/fotografie_faehren.htm
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 14, 2011, 11:55:47 pm
Justfrerries is a good one to subscribe to, new stuff uploaded all the time. I've been looking in to this one.
 http://www.ferry-site.dk/ferry.php?id=9350680&lang=en
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 15, 2011, 08:50:56 am
How about this one for nostalgia........

a bit before I was born (me 1963, the film 1960..)

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=345

Ferries in Dover 1960..
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 11:46:22 am
Nice video. Those were the days of proper integrated travel. I quite fancy doing some of those Sealink ferries but there doesn't seem to be that much info about.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 15, 2011, 11:54:56 am
I have some original builders drawings of a few of them:

Duke of Lancaster
Lord Warden
TSS Dover
TSS Avalon
MV Speedlink Vanguard

and GA's of:
Hengist / Horsa / Senlac
St Anselm / St Christopher
Vortigern

I also have some nice drawings of the Stena Leader (originally Buffalo for Pandoro Fleetwood/Larne service).
Will get them sent over   :-))

Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 12:02:01 pm
Thanks Carl I knew you would have the answers.
Speaking of PANDORO, I do want to get the Deans Marine Muirneag but rename it Belard.
(http://s8.postimage.org/sfcdvg5dd/images.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/sfcdvg5dd/)
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 12:15:05 pm
Some really good one's there mate. That should keep me busy for a while.

Thanks again Carl.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 09:30:52 pm
Just seen this. Crafty Beggars!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-15727637
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 15, 2011, 09:42:38 pm
Thin edge of the wedge!!!

Or maybe they are trying to create a warchest to buy the SeaFrance ships after tomorrow......
Carl

PS Will they have a rasta crew and steel band to entertain?
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 09:55:04 pm
I liked the ships with the British crews because you can have a good chat with them. The last time I travelled however, I did notice a rather multinational feel so I think this has been happening for a while.
 It's not necessarily a bad thing as people do say the the atmosphere on the Dutch ships which have a very foreign crew, tends to be better.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 15, 2011, 10:13:09 pm
Found this today while looking for further inspiration.
http://www.irish-ferries-enthusiasts.com/index.php
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 16, 2011, 04:40:36 am
I enjoyed that first video - ferry pleasing, and so close to home too  :} Got to look at the rest now

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 16, 2011, 04:46:09 am
In the land of the $ I like West Coast Ferries Forum http://ferriesbc.proboards.com/index.cgi

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 16, 2011, 08:28:54 pm
Ahh yes some nice ships there. I found this one on youtube. The question is, Which end is the front?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VlLHLSPCmc&feature=related
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 17, 2011, 07:17:52 am
Like the Ferry, Hate the advert.

The you go Ali, you simply said 'front' that's great!!!
because I would agonise over prow or bow
As I do window, port or porhole etc etc
To prove the point it is now going through my head
Is there a definition of a porthole?
I annoy myself sometimes O0

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 17, 2011, 12:03:18 pm
I didn't think 'bow' was the right word to use as it look like this ship has two. I can only assume that under the water line, its more like a conventional ship. I suppose a better question would be. Which side is Port and which side is starboard?

Ali
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 18, 2011, 12:23:02 am
Hi guys. Have a look at this.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.s.scott/St-Columba/build.html
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 18, 2011, 05:51:12 am
Thats ferry nice. Love the BR logo too - happier days before I was privatised.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Fergusdaddy on November 23, 2011, 12:03:22 pm
Nice video. Those were the days of proper integrated travel. I quite fancy doing some of those Sealink ferries but there doesn't seem to be that much info about.

Sealink ferries of the late 60's to 80's are my favourite, along with the similar vintage Townsend ships

Best sites I have found are this
www.faktaomfartyg.se/
which is unfortunately in Swedish, but has photos of all ferries from every operator you could think of, and
www.sealink-holyhead.com/
Which has a great collection of photos of all sealink ships, including some fantastic fitting out pics of my personal favourite, the 1967 Antrim Princess



Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 23, 2011, 02:31:39 pm
Hi Joe. First of all, welcome to Mayhem. I'm sure you'll find the forum very useful and informative.
It's good to hear from yet another ferry fan, at this rate we'll need our own category. Thanks for the links, something tells me you've been checking out the Irish ferries forum.
Let us know if you're building or planning something. We always like to see what's being produced.  And of coarse If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask.

Ali.     
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 01:45:22 am


Regards Dave
(http://s8.postimage.org/gwjr467up/Ramon_1914_oakland_antioch_and_eastern_010.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/gwjr467up/)
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 03:46:09 pm
I've never seen a ferry with OLE on it before. I would assume it's only energised when in port.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 09:11:22 pm
Anyone know what the deal is with Seafrance?
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 10:57:02 pm
Hi Ali

Lol  :o - yes live on dock. This is the only image I have of that connection.
Dave

(http://s12.postimage.org/ijpthnatl/ramon_1914_oakland_antioch_and_eastern_001.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ijpthnatl/)
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 11:12:56 pm
Ali, Carl, I have some pictures of a big old paddle train ferry The Solano, plus pictures of a cracking model, and maybe something about plans. Model images are 'property of' so I can't post them here. But I can dropbox the lot if wanted.  :P


(http://s10.postimage.org/ficctjkvp/Solano_034_Info.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ficctjkvp/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/s5spo3v2f/Solano_041.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/s5spo3v2f/)

(http://s7.postimage.org/7o7rcgiyv/Solano_036.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7o7rcgiyv/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/vumej9z79/Solano_027.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vumej9z79/)
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 11:15:17 pm
It would probably connect with the power lines automatically when it docks  like a bridge would. It must only be a short river or lake crossing.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 11:18:48 pm
Seafrance - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-15857694
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 11:19:16 pm
They don't do things by half in the US do they.
Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 11:24:42 pm
Not until they can build a bridge and then they are ruthless to the point of making the ferry crossing illegal.

Re crossing Ali - Solano and Ramon mentioned on here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suisun_Bay

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 11:27:10 pm
This might be the end for Seafrance then. As for their ships who knows. I'm sure P&O would love them, that would just about kill off any competition.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 24, 2011, 11:34:34 pm
Most likely be DFDS who will step in - competition commission will not allow PO to trade alone on the Dover Calais route as there would be a monopoly. DFDS just have to up their bid from the current E5 million to secure the route. Of course our French friends in the Union want to run it themselves - but they don't have the money.
A right mess!!!!!
Carl (from mobile)
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 24, 2011, 11:41:25 pm
I knew you wouldn't be far away Carl

Despite monopolies - if French administrators are anything like the ones over here then they will be gagging to strip and sell the assets - all that lovely cash commission.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 24, 2011, 11:44:29 pm
First the flag of convenience business At P&O and now this. The ferry industry as a whole must really be struggling at the moment.
Worrying times.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on November 24, 2011, 11:59:34 pm
Sorry guys - been out and about all evening, but following the posts on my strawberry gooseberry blackberry thing.....

Dave, that Solano looks very interesting.......there certainly are a huge number of subjects in the ferry field!!!! Obviously, any 'details' always gladly given a home  ok2 ok2

As for the ferry scene today, the problem has been overcapacity on the Dover Straits. This is evidenced by P&O only increasing their schedules by 3 return crossings per day with the European Seaway and an extra night crossing by the Pride of Burgundy. SeaFrance had some 20 return crossings per day scheduled................. There have been no build ups of traffic at Dover, nor has Operation Stack been introduced, since SeaFrance stopped operating. So the capacity available now seems to be sufficient.

As for SeaFrance, unless either the Unons or another investor (most likely DFDS with LDLines) comes up with something in the order of E30million, then they will go totally to the wall. They have until December 12th........... It has been stated by the administrators running SF that it is cheaper to keep the ships in port than to run them. All the staff (except for a trusted skelleton crew on the ships) have been sent home. The Unions, however, are not at all happy about this as they fear that SF are loosing customers.........this proves how much they are living in a dream world as, because of their actions, SF have been loosing customers for years - that is why they are in the mess they are in!!!!!!!

The administrators have also stated that whatever money is left in the pot will run out anyway by the middle of December, and they doubt they will have enough to pay the December salary run..................

I think we have seen the last of SeaFrance.......................3 ships are tied up in Calais, the fourth (Nord Pas de Calais) is stuck in Dover and is running out of food, water and fuel and they have just sent 2 ships to India for scrap - controversially!!!!

A sorry tale indeed........
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on November 25, 2011, 12:11:32 am
Ahh yes I heard that they were trying to get those ships back from India. It makes you wonder who's been running this company recently. They've really let let themselves go.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 25, 2011, 12:21:27 am
Ships to India - bet there was some graft involved in that little deal.

'been out and about all evening' Carl you lucky So and So - I got flu and pnuemonia jabs and my head is banging, and your out on the Razz

Solano - post you a link tomorrow - lovely model

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on November 30, 2011, 11:37:11 pm
Hi Guys

Threads gone quiet, so whilst surfing about I found an interesting site. :} (I was really looking for The Aragon 1959 - now a recofigured box for cars)
This is just one section for ferries  of a bigger site - there are lots of pics but so far I have only looked at British Railways Shipping.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/FerryCards.html
As I said lots to look at lads - but maybe you already know the site?.

Regards Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 12:22:26 am
Cheers Dave - Yes, I have had this one bookmarked for a while now............but it may be of interest to others on here who were not aware  :-)) :-))

Here is another - with quite a few pictures of ex Dover Straits boats in new waters....

http://www.fotosdebarcos.org/viewforum.php?f=23

Spanish site - but none the worse for that!!!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 01, 2011, 12:44:06 am
Cheers Ali

I've been thinking about the original comment (somewhere).  I think (no, I'm convinced) there would be better traffic with a proper Ferry section. There's no shortage of variety or history, they are international, come in all sizes, and models are built. What more do you need to qualify for a stand alone section?

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 01:30:53 am
There is a UK ferries forum which I found only today. It's not used much though. But maybe worth a look
http://s9.zetaboards.com/ukfe/index/

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 01:52:24 am
Hey Carl . Is the Eurovoyager  on photosdebarcos an ex Sealink ship? It looks familiar.

Ostend, That's where I've seen it.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 10:39:03 am
Hey Carl . Is the Eurovoyager  on photosdebarcos an ex Sealink ship? It looks familiar.

Ostend, That's where I've seen it.

Hi Ali - yes she was first in Sealink colours as part of the consortium with Belgian Marine - she served the Dover/Ostend route.
When Belgian Marine fell out with the privatised Sealink, they fell into bed with Townsend Thoresen for a while and she carried a TT orange hull until BM was privatised to become Dover-Oostende Lines.

Here are a couple of 'Then & Now' shots - her 'jumboisation' has certainly NOT been a success from a visual point of view............
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Arrow5 on December 01, 2011, 11:00:55 am
Wow, they certainly uglied that one up. :((
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 11:15:57 am
Thanks Carl. I thought she might have been rebuilt by them bulges on the side. I assume they give extra displacement and stability.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 11:31:43 am
They are purely stability sponsons................hollow boxes in effect...........to prevent her turning turtle after her enlargement.......

A very nice looking ship in the beginning - bloody ugly now though  :(( :(( :((
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 11:40:03 am
It certainly has looked better. Those sponsons do nothing for it's appearance. The only ships I know of that look half decent after this work has been carried out are Nordic Ferry and Baltic Ferry. 

Ali. 
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 01, 2011, 12:20:01 pm
Uglying up - I quite liked this ship (a little graceful) seen in a recent thread, but the other day Colin posted up a link

Aragon
(http://s10.postimage.org/81y0ridhx/Aragon_1959_Harlands.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/81y0ridhx/)

She became Hoegh Traveller in 1972 - http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1332391
(http://s10.postimage.org/d0gxsarx1/Hoegh_Traveller.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/d0gxsarx1/)

Dave



Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 12:30:35 pm
Now that's a conversion and a half. To be honest, I like it.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 12:35:13 pm
You would be hard pressed to know it was the same ship  :o :o :o
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 12:38:05 pm
There must be a way of building this ship so you could have two models in one.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 01, 2011, 12:39:09 pm
I'd quite like to see the top deck's detail - but overall there isn't much to catch the eye - a bit too slabby for me. Maybe really because I had been watching a thread with lots of old ships on, and then as soon as I think ' I do like that one' up pops Colin with the conversion.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 01, 2011, 12:42:15 pm
Yes - two possible with that - hull colours differ though.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 01, 2011, 12:59:43 pm
You can buy one at 1:1250 scale....

http://www.taft.com/ModelWeb/Pages/shiptypepages/AU/Hein%20Muck161W-Hoegh%20Traveller%20(Car%20Carrier%20ex%20RMS%20Aragon).html

Colin
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 01:05:20 pm
OH MOTHER!!!!!!!!!

Have you seen the 1:1250 ferries that have been available??????????

Dave - including a couple of Kalakala's!!!!!!!

Ali - time to burn the midnight oil my friend - I doubt that many of these are on the market anymore............and if and when they do appear, very deep pockets will be required!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 01:10:58 pm
I've bookmarked that one for later. Thanks Colin.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 01:27:35 pm
Have a look at the price of these.
http://stores.ebay.de/Modellbau-Conrad
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 01:34:07 pm
GULP!!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Arrow5 on December 01, 2011, 01:57:30 pm
Do any of the shipping lines sell mini models like those for publicity purposes and casual collectors on board ships ? They would have to be a wee bit cheaper than the serious collectables shown.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 01:58:44 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220902801335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_499wt_1153
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 01, 2011, 02:01:59 pm
Looks a tad short to me that one Ali????

Got the scale a bit off............

That you bidding or do you already have it? If not you, I might have a punt - but it cannot compare to your offering!!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 02:04:11 pm
I've not got one of them yet. I might have to save my pennies for the Norland model.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 01, 2011, 02:14:47 pm
I've just paid 105 Euros +p&p for a Queen Mary 2 - it's my Christmas present!

I shall display it with the others....

There were some Chinese made ones for sale on board at around 40 but they were poor quality. Some years ago Norfolkline were selling small models of their new Dover Strait
 ships on board which weren't bad but they were not to the usual scale.

Colin

Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 02:19:19 pm
That is one nice collection there Colin. I hope to build a display case for mine. The Canberra is my favourite.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 01, 2011, 02:22:28 pm
You must have seen this one Carl.
http://www.taft.com/ModelWeb/Pages/shiptypepages/FY/RhenaniaRFR6-Free%20Enterprise%20VI.html
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 01, 2011, 08:05:43 pm
Hi Colin - so very nice and in a display cabinet they really look the part  O0 Nice link posted too.

Carl - you varmint - you had me very worried there, but I have seen those Kalakalas before (you might have the pics in the K media folder). Ha, just for a second I thought you had found a large model.

Here's an arty representation I do like

(http://s7.postimage.org/ojlfk9eyf/image.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ojlfk9eyf/)

so funny to have gone to all that trouble only to shove it on a piece of ratty scrapwood  :o

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 02, 2011, 12:27:06 am
You must have seen this one Carl.
http://www.taft.com/ModelWeb/Pages/shiptypepages/FY/RhenaniaRFR6-Free%20Enterprise%20VI.html

Aye Ali - have spotted that one a few times on ebay - gone for top dollar too on the rare occassions they have come up.
They could have chosen to model her before the jumboisation.........did nothing for her looks............but would still have one in my collection  :-)) :-))
They also have a Free Enterprise II - and a nice model it is too  :-))

Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 07:17:32 pm
My Norland travel agents model arrived today.
(http://s12.postimage.org/shnb0m2sp/100_2643.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/shnb0m2sp/)


(http://s10.postimage.org/vzd931imt/100_2639.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/vzd931imt/)

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 12, 2011, 08:48:31 pm
Like it lit up Ali  :  8) - what plans have you got for it next?

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 08:59:23 pm
Well I can't say it's brilliant but I must really resist the temptation to change it. I might put it up somewhere over the stairs.
It's making me want to start a scratch build of this ship but I promised myself I would wait until Carl's kit was ready.

Ali.

 
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 12, 2011, 09:16:57 pm
And I promised not to have any Rum tonight ............. but maybe I got my days mixed up?

Yes I think I did  %) - Honestly I'm not an Alcy

Ali, there must be something you could tweak while Carl is having fun?

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 09:22:10 pm
Due to the high winds this big fat ferry had trouble berthing.....Poor thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-16093543

I happened to see it passing Cromer on Friday morning as I was driving my train back to Norwich.  My office windows are great!

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 09:29:25 pm
Cheers Dave. I too am partaking in a little rum and coke tipple.

I promise not to upset anyone this time.

I paid top dollar for this on Ebay. Who knows if It's over the odds but I don't want to ruin it. It would be the first time I have left anything alone.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 12, 2011, 09:29:57 pm
Yes Ali

I see you guys in your warm dry offices pass me by at a 100mph - do you drivers ever think about the guys in orange , freezing and wet through? I'm one of those Jaffas mate.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 09:34:04 pm
Wouldn't be many trains running if you guys weren't about. I always wave and give a friendly toot.

Ali. 
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 12, 2011, 10:06:03 pm
Thanks Ali  :-)) - I've often thought it must be very scary for you guys to see one of our track lads not acknowledge and move away  :o :o :o >>:-(
Now back to Ferries Ali.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 10:22:31 pm
Definitely, It's my week off.

I plan to do a bit more on the Norbay waterline model then start on Spirit of free enterprise.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 12, 2011, 11:01:02 pm
Hi Friends!!!

Back from the annual round of the rellies.............all see and satisfied before the missus and I disappear next sunday...

Ali - That travel agents model may not be a 100% scale reproduction but it is a genuine article and probably damn rare!!! Dont touch it!!! It has an appeal all of its own. It is these quirky 'souvenirs' of the past times that I enjoy collecting..........although I drew the line at the FE7 key fob on ebay today.......it went for nigh on 18!!!!!! Someone must have wanted it bad!!!!

As for Norland - should have the drawings 90% completed over the christmas break - going to be splitting my time between Norland and Kalakala, although K should be a tad quicker......... With Norland, my main focus will be on the hull formers - I want to get a set of drawings up to Kim (Clyde Models) in the New Year for him to quote me for a CNC cut plug.......if the cost is 'reasonable' then that will speed up the hull production no end. We shall see............

Dave - I envy you the chance for a tipple today. Driving around as I have it was too risky to partake........although plenty of offers on the table.

Ho hum - Christmas soon.........and I have a feeling my good lady has bagged me a goodly selection of ferry books to fill my stocking!!!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on December 12, 2011, 11:06:42 pm
Hi Carl

Me and Ali have to be very selective about when we tipple - ours is the toughest drugs and alchohol policy around matey.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 11:06:58 pm
I will be leaving the Norland alone as I'm sure there can't be many of them around.
Take your time with all your kits Carl. There's no doubt they will be worth the wait.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 12, 2011, 11:14:54 pm
Hi Carl

Me and Ali have to be very selective about when we tipple - ours is the toughest drugs and alchohol policy around matey.

Dave

Fully understand that - Joe Public may loose a little faith if they thought their train drivers were p****d or otherwise under the influence when conveying them to wherever..........and as for you guys, being without your full faculties when working so close to instant death doesnt bear thinking about!!!!!!!

When I used to fly (albeit privately) and when I was driving coaches, i was absolutely tee-total. With the coaches, I never knew from one day to the next when I was going to be called in to drive, so the risk wasnt worth it. These days, I no longer drive the coaches or fly light aircraft, but my alcohol intake hasnt increased a great deal...........just the odd beer or whisky occasionally...............
C
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on December 12, 2011, 11:17:17 pm
I will be leaving the Norland alone as I'm sure there can't be many of them around.
Take your time with all your kits Carl. There's no doubt they will be worth the wait.

Ali.

Now THERE is a statement I will print out and hang above my workbench!!!!!!

I do hope they will live up to expectations..............dont want to let you guys down {:-{
C
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on December 12, 2011, 11:20:44 pm
Don't want to let you guys down...... That's why I' know your kits will be top notch.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: cos918 on December 13, 2011, 09:33:06 pm
Definitely, It's my week off.

I plan to do a bit more on the Norbay waterline model then start on Spirit of free enterprise.

Ali.


Hi Ali
Is that you leting the cat out of the bag that you are doing a sprit class ferry

John
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: cos918 on December 13, 2011, 09:42:47 pm
Hi Friends!!!

Back from the annual round of the rellies.............all see and satisfied before the missus and I disappear next sunday...

Ali - That travel agents model may not be a 100% scale reproduction but it is a genuine article and probably damn rare!!! Dont touch it!!! It has an appeal all of its own. It is these quirky 'souvenirs' of the past times that I enjoy collecting..........although I drew the line at the FE7 key fob on ebay today.......it went for nigh on 18!!!!!! Someone must have wanted it bad!!!!

As for Norland - should have the drawings 90% completed over the christmas break - going to be splitting my time between Norland and Kalakala, although K should be a tad quicker......... With Norland, my main focus will be on the hull formers - I want to get a set of drawings up to Kim (Clyde Models) in the New Year for him to quote me for a CNC cut plug.......if the cost is 'reasonable' then that will speed up the hull production no end. We shall see............

Dave - I envy you the chance for a tipple today. Driving around as I have it was too risky to partake........although plenty of offers on the table.

Ho hum - Christmas soon.........and I have a feeling my good lady has bagged me a goodly selection of ferry books to fill my stocking!!!!
Carl

Hi Carl
 A few good books. X4 by ferry publications 1. Brittany ferries 1973-2007 2. Fishguard Rosslare 1906 - 2006 3. Baltic ferries 4.Ferries of Belgium (oleander on front cover)

X1 if you can find a The Road Across the Sea  Viking Line english Version was at first in Finnish only.

John
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 08, 2012, 10:45:30 pm
Some beautiful ships on here. Check out the second to last photo Carl.
http://shipmodels-costassarlis.blogspot.com/

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 08, 2012, 10:57:48 pm
They are very good static models to quite a large scale - cheers for the link Ali  :-)) :-)) :-))

And yes, I found the Anthi Marina (ex Spirit of Free Enterprise) - a very crisp model indeed.....in far better condition than the real ship  %) %).

I also found a photo of a model of Romilda.................ex Free Enterprise VIII..........now sadly gone for scrap in Turkey.. <:( <:( <:(
I notice he advertises himself as a professional model maker......he certainly seems to have the skill for producing nice static models...
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 08, 2012, 11:02:16 pm
I looked at that Romilda and took a double take. Something rang a bell but I didn't recognise it.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 08, 2012, 11:08:14 pm
She had the bow rebuilt to look more 'conventional', and an awful (and I mean awful in both senses!!!) lot of work done to her rear superstructure to accommodate cabins..........and yet she retained an upper car deck / garage amidships - only accessible via internal ramps from the main, lower car deck.
All else was as she was built........

Only two of the series left now: FEV and FEVII (in Indonesia) - but she was 'Jumboised' back in the 80's.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 08, 2012, 11:11:32 pm
Well as long as there are enthusiasts like us, these ships will never be forgotten.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 09, 2012, 12:25:58 am
If you post them, they will look.

I'm just having a Field of Dreams moment.  :-)

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 09, 2012, 09:43:38 am
Here you go chaps - loads of ferry pictures from around the world here..............

Decent quality images too  :-)) :-))

Check out the photos of the Spirit of Free Enterprise / Pride of kent being stretched  :o :o :o

Carl

http://www.naviearmatori.net/gallery/viewalbum.php?id=213
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Arrow5 on January 09, 2012, 01:54:29 pm
SeaFrance in liquidation announced on BBC.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 09, 2012, 02:32:22 pm
SeaFrance in liquidation announced on BBC.

With a rumour that Eurotunnel want to make a bid for the ferries  :o :o :o

Biggest load of nonsense I have heard all day - why would they want to buy ferries when they are competing with them for traffic? The ONLY reason I can think of is to take the hazardous cargo trucks across that cannot use the tunnel..............

Cannot see P&O and DFDS putting up with that!!!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: cos918 on January 09, 2012, 05:45:32 pm
Here you go chaps - loads of ferry pictures from around the world here..............

Decent quality images too  :-)) :-))

Check out the photos of the Spirit of Free Enterprise / Pride of kent being stretched  :o :o :o

Carl

http://www.naviearmatori.net/gallery/viewalbum.php?id=213



Carl
THANK you for that find   :-)) :-)). The photo are top. The detal in some of thoes photo are worth there wait in gold.

John
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 09, 2012, 06:13:50 pm
Eurotunnel may simply want to take them out of circulation by selling them on.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 09, 2012, 10:04:16 pm
True Colin, true...................but I guess they would have to pay a fairly high price as I am sure that DFDS/LD Lines would be interested in buying them (especially the Rodin and Berlioz) for a Calais service and the Nord Pas de Calais as a dedicated freight ship on the Dunkerque run.  The Moliere is not really suitable for either run so I guess would be sold on.........

The French press are reporting that the Eurotunnel offer is to buy the ships and then rent them back to the proposed workers co-operative to operate.
I think that ET have had their arms twisted by the French government over this..........ET is a mostly French company, it's employees are mostly French state railway employees (SNCF), SNCF is the parent company of Seafrance, SNCF (as a state organisation) was blocked by the EU commission from bailing out Seafrance....................therefore I think this is 'state aid' by the back door..........
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 13, 2012, 10:36:09 pm
Had this one pointed out to me by a kind gent on the DoverFerryForums page:

http://www.beeldbankoostende.be/Zoekresultaat/tabid/68/Default.aspx

Old pictures of boats and ferries at Ostend in Belgium - some real classics here  :-))
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 14, 2012, 01:10:31 am
Hi Carl

that link gives me 'server error'?

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 14, 2012, 09:54:02 am
Strange!!!

Try this:

http://www.beeldbankoostende.be

and type in MAALBOOT in the box where it says ZOEK then press the red button ZOEK NU
C
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 14, 2012, 05:09:21 pm
That's a nice link Carl. I've been to Oostende a few times and I'll probably end up there again in May, there's good model shop there.
I've joined the Dover ferry forum too.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 14, 2012, 05:17:16 pm
Is that when you are heading over on your 'anniversary' cruise?

And welcome to the Dover Ferry site - it is very good for the latest news and developments in the channel as well as all the photos and history.  The moderators can be a bit 'heavy handed' at times, and if a thread goes slightly off topic then they are apt to close it without warning.  You certainly dont get the banter there that you do here - I think they try to keep a slightly higher, professional, stance!!!!

Still, I find it useful...................
C
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 14, 2012, 05:37:32 pm
Ok I'll tread carefully thanks Carl. It's certainly a useful site though and many potential customers :}

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 17, 2012, 12:30:07 pm
Hi all,

Another site with more than just ferries.............but I have included a direct link to the ferries page............

http://matkustajalaivat.com/Indexfiles/FerryIndex.htm

Some quite obscure ones here, as well as the regular old chestnuts!!!!!
Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 17, 2012, 03:07:13 pm
I was looking for some GA plans for Spirit of Britain which I eventually found but my search led me to the STX Europe site. This is one of the better shipbuilder websites IMHO. You can do a search for a vessel or a company and sometimes there's  a little extra info in a PDF download.

http://www.stxeurope.com/businessareas/

Ali.

P.S. Now I know what my next model will be.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 23, 2012, 06:56:24 am
Hi Guys

Here's a news item on the Kalakala. Got loose in high winds and rashed ainto a barge. Naughty  :police:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/12/26/1958993/army-corps-kalakala-a-hazard.html?storylink=mrc

Her days are severley numbered I fear.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 23, 2012, 10:01:56 pm
Hi Dave.

Not good news then. I fear that poor Kalakala's day are numbered.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 23, 2012, 10:30:51 pm
Yes - once the Army Corps settle on a course of action they will carry it out quickly
Shooter on the grassy knoll and all. Maybe it's more than a coincidence that I'm going
to build her? My first decision must have been around the time of her first real difficulties
in Hydlebos Waterway. Synchronicity - is that the word I want Ali? Anyway I am gagging
to make a start - will be asking you plug questions soon I hope.

My money - I think there is a scrap firm only a mile or two away that the Corps will tow her to.
They are talking $26M a month if she sinks and closes that waterway, tow her too far and you have
an increased chance of pollution if she sinks, leave any room for delay and there will be another
legal challenge.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 23, 2012, 10:39:01 pm
I'll give you a virtual hug Dave.
I must admit I was really cut up when I learned that the Norland and Norstar(as I know them) were going to Alang to scapped. It's funny how a hunk of metal can mean so much.

Ali. 
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: carlmt on January 23, 2012, 10:44:53 pm
Hi Dave - commiserations mate...I think I have this coming myself soon with the old FEV... As for the hull frames for the model K - can you give me a couple of weeks to test my drawings with a mock up please? Am thinking a plank on frame solution may be best for this one... Drawings are done but I want to mock up an assembly for you to look over before I finalise them. Carl
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 24, 2012, 03:29:35 am
Just back from work and having a strong hot coffee

Hi Ali - Yes I'll take the virtual hug mate - I have spent a lot of time and effort on Kalakala - feels like my first motorbike is going south.

Hi Carl - I am truly aware of how hard pressed you are just now so please please don't mind me. My wife keeps me waiting just on
principle so I am well used to it. Having said that maybe I do fancy the boat more  {-) Oh the number of ways I would die painfully if she
ever read these boards  O0 {-) The thought of an 86 year old rival would really annoy her (the Peralta hull's 86 and Jenny is only 55).

I see you both said hello to Midori - can you guys just smell ferries on the ether?

Regards Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 28, 2012, 05:50:08 pm
Hi
I'm just browsing and the picture below caught my eye.
site link here http://scherbakshipmodels.tripod.com/id106.html
(http://s7.postimage.org/zdeha7rbr/scherbakcruiseships2009a.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/zdeha7rbr/)

Freedom has come in the form of my wife suddenly going to see a show in London.
Kids (19 & 25) are in total shock because I won't cook for them.
Dog looks quite worried as 18:00 nears and no move made towards his bowl. {:-{

Dave
I will feed Buzz the dog soon.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 28, 2012, 05:53:47 pm
I think I'll stick to making ferries, slightly less windows.

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on January 28, 2012, 06:03:26 pm
Hi Ali

when does a vessel cease to be a ferry? I mean a regular run between two points say across the Irish sea is a ferry,
maybe to Spain it's a ferry, but how far can you go and still call it a ferry?

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on January 28, 2012, 06:08:15 pm
In theory I suppose you could have called the Titanic a ferry.

There is a thread on this subject somewhere in another forum but I've never read it. I'll get back to you on that one.

Ali
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on February 01, 2012, 09:28:40 pm
Hi Ali

remember the Ramon post on page 1? http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35188.msg0#new has another one.
Not as attractive but was on show at a UK show.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on June 22, 2012, 12:33:40 pm
I've uploaded a ton of photos to Photobucket from my trip to Calais.
http://s1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh585/ferryfan5/Calais%20trip%2019%20July/
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on June 22, 2012, 03:32:02 pm
So nice to see you again Ali - it's been a bit quiet ferry wise without Carl (or have I been not looking properly?)
I'll enjoy your photos no doubt :-))

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: cos918 on June 22, 2012, 06:21:02 pm
Hi Ali
nice photos you must have seen all the ferries on the Dover Calais run. So what the new sprit class like? I see tey have moved the seafrance ferries to the other side of the dock.

john
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: meechingman on June 22, 2012, 08:06:16 pm
We have plenty of photos of Newhaven-Dieppe ferries, old and new, at www.ournewhaven.org.uk, as well as loads more of shipping right throughout the port.

Andy
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on July 17, 2012, 10:51:27 pm
Hi Lads

Something I came across - The Wallasey ferries - you know I like the old stuff best
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38361.msg383172#msg383172

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: wartsilaone on July 29, 2012, 06:34:25 pm
TONIGHT 20:00 Engineering Giants, Ferry Strip Down

Ali.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on July 29, 2012, 07:35:09 pm
Will 'The Stripper' be playing in the background Ali  {-)
Don't get too excited mate.

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: deadwood on July 29, 2012, 08:22:44 pm
TONIGHT 20:00 Engineering Giants, Ferry Strip Down
Is this TV broadcast announcement where the scrapping of ferries will be shown?

If it weren't about picking over the frames of ships I would have regretted that I cannot receive British telly stations overhere.
But having to watch the demise of grand ship ladies would be too gut-wrenching to me.
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on July 29, 2012, 09:10:06 pm
No - it was a big dry dock overhaul. Only a few minutes of what happens at lifes end - and the steelworks part of that was good.

Amazingly my wife watched the show from start to finish with genuine interest - go figure that???

Dave
Title: Re: Ferry Links
Post by: Norseman on March 11, 2013, 07:02:49 pm
Just had a pot of coffee with http://www.ships-and-funnels.de/Categories/Ferries-en.html

Dave