Model Boat Mayhem
Shows, Events, Club websites and Club Events => Club List => Topic started by: Daemon on December 01, 2011, 02:53:39 am
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Hi guys, i'm currently emailing people at the bmba about starting a UK club for model warship combat, just wanted to do an interest check on here.
Theres info available at wikipedia here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_warship_combat
and at the forums here: www,rcnavalcombat.com
So, just an interest check, but let me know if you are interested!
Dave
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If you are thinking of using lead shot, just confirm it's o.k. with your local water authority. <*<
Two of ours here have banned the use of lead in their waters.
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Typical shot is standard BBs, or for larger caliber 4.76mm steel ball bearings.
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I think the bigger isssue is whether the air guns on the
model boats will be considered fire arms.
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If your on privetly owned land,with the owners permission then all should be fine. Sadly there is a risk of missaiming causing injury.John.
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Umi_Ryuzuki: No, they are not powerfull enough to be classed as air rifle's, they hold a similar muzzle energy as an airsoft weapon, which is (legally defined as) a toy.
John s: As with above, the only real injury risk is to the eyes, and for that reason there is strict construction rules that do not allow gun elevation above the horizon, and for eye protection to be worn by all water-side participants.
The hobby is insured by the North American Model Boat Association in the UK, and the reason for my talks with the British Model Boat Association is for them to be able to afford any club members the same insurance coverage that they currently afford other registered and fee-paying (21GBP a year) members of regular (and registered) model boating clubs.
I am also talking with members and officials of the US clubs about rules systems, and build rules.
Dave.
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I have watched some of the videos and can't really see the point of it. Having Hood and Bismarck slug it out inches apart like a couple of Nelsonic era ships is not very realistic is it? And those bilge pumps give a sort of Jet Ski effect which I'm sure was never seen at Jutland. Surely a far cheaper and authentic effect would be achieved by just chucking pebbles at a model 50 yards away on the lake... You'd get better splashes too.
Colin
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. While the originator feels he is responsible enough with colleges to shoot the c**p out of each others models fine, but then you get the numpties who see this and go and do their own thing without insurance or supervision. Can't even get fireworks sorted so what price toy boats with guns.
Regards Ian.
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looks like fun would there be an age limit on this if club was made and i was allowed to play i would join
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Who is going to police the wearing of eye protection when a little lad
breaks away from Mum to get closer. As they do
Who is going to bear the cost of insurance for the event?
Ned
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im guessing insurance would be covered by some sort of annual club insurance
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I'm guessing that insurance companies would turn away...rapidly.
Rich
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some people i know run around with lite armour thick googles and an airriffle in a field and are insured so im sure insurance for this will be a dodle compared to finding insurance for them
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hi there all
just been discussing this with my son - he is into Airsoft hobby - and with regard to insurances who is covered by what,,,,
apparently one must be a member of Ukara to purchase any airsoft weapon and also the land used to game on - also has to be registered and have their own insurances for personal injuries. http://www.ukara.org.uk/index.htm
here is a link for Ukara just to have a read through and find out any information that may be useful - it may be a possibility of using a similar insurance to these to cover the model gaming - hey ho....
aye
john
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some people i know run around with lite armour thick googles and an airriffle in a field and are insured so im sure insurance for this will be a dodle compared to finding insurance for them
Air rifles?? Are you sure?
An air rifle has a 12ft/lb limit which is more than enough to kill rabbits, rats, crows, magpies and wood pigeon.....and humans if hit in the right place. Airsoft on the other hand has a 1ft/lb power limit with the 6mm projectile having a weight of no more than 0.2g.....enough for a small bruise should it hit you.
I would bet next weeks Euromillions top prize that the kids running round in that field do NOT have insurance of any kind, not if they ARE using air rifles....and if they are, they're the most stupidest people in your area.
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1 there adults and 2 it mite be airsoft i dont know that much about it but theres loads of them that do it and its a club
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In that case it'll be Airsoft Skirmishers then, similar in a way to paintballing, but cheaper ok2
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How about the safer option of paint-ball ship combat instead of BBs ? Big splat of paint on the enemy vessel`s "magazine area" to determine winner, each ship has different coloured ammunition. No sinking, no jet-ski pumps etc., less danger to participants and bystanders. Water pollution would be great though.
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but plastic bb pellets are available in most shops to kids over 4 so cant we just use plastic ones
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not forgetting to mention the club im a member with lets fire balls of there ships and uses lots more explosions all we have do do is stay 4 m away from public so maby if there where some rule eg you need to be .... faraway from the nerast person to the ship there could be a maximum range on the ships guns and this would be used to calculate the above
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This sort of thing can be...no,is dangerous...the late Bernie Wood, Paul Thompson, Ron Perrott and plenty of others were playing about with firing deck guns, operating torpedoes and exploding depth charges over twenty five years ago, and they will all tell you the same...if you don't know what you're doing, you can be seriously hurt. And insurance companies do not like the idea of people getting hurt, seriously or otherwise.
I've seen Bernie Wood's garden left looking like an Iraqui war zone after an experiment with working depth charges went wrong...there's a well known story of Ron Perrott having to explain to his wife that she couldn't have a bath because one of Ron's torpedoes had blown a hole in the bath when something went slightly wrong...the late Nick Burge managed to put a missile through one of his house windows due to a slight error...Bernie and I managed to kill one of my ex-wife's favourite goldfish with a mis-functioning torpedo...need I say more?
Yes, it can be fun to have an operating deck gun on your submarine and go around blowing holes in surface boats, but one slight error can result in an injury to yourself or an onlooker.
We in the AMS used to put on a display with a sub firing operating torpedoes at a surface boat which had a built in explosive charge and was capable of sinking, we've done this on small display pools at shows with spectators standing just a few feet away. We were very lucky that nobody got seriously hurt, and we wouldn't even consider doing it nowadays...H&S would jump on the idea before we even started, insured or not.
I would ask that you investigate the legal implications of having operational weaponry on any model boat, and consult several different insurance companies to see what they say...then have a long chat to a H&S expert for his views.
Rich
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Rich is right. Accidents can easily happen. Any use of pyrotechnics must be treated with the utmost care - just ask the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team. I remember years ago somebody experimenting with 'blowing up' a merchant ship for an Atlantic convoy display. The very small charge that was supposed to just hole the model had a much greater effect than anticipated and those present were lucky to escape without injury. The story was published in Model Boats as a warning not to get involved in this sort of thing on an amateur basis. Explosives of any kind are unpredictable in their effects. You only have one body and it's best to keep it intact! Unfortunately such warnings are not heeded by the 'like a big bang, won't happen to me' brigade. The resulting injuries can be particularly nasty.
Colin
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as a member of the PMBDT and one of the so called airsoft player's, playing with any type of pyro is dangerous and should not be used unless you have the right insurance and all the safety measures have being taken care of first, then you have to get permission from who owns the water you are using and thats just the start of it as we have found out over the last 5 years this is geting harder and harder. As to using airsoft guns on the boats this is not the best thing to use as some of these gun do have a high power out put even if you used the cheep guns.sorry but airsoft pellets don't just leave a bruise they can and i have seen this they can knock out teeth, now i am not saying not to do this but you have to be aware of all the dangers that this will bring. if I'm not mistaken was this not tried some years ago but did not work that well, but if you have all this covered then go ahead and have fun
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I am aware of VCRA laws, and they would not stop the production of the weapons systems used on RC Naval Combat boats because VCRA applies only to "Realistic Imitation Firearms", and as the weapons do not look like a real firearm, they are not prohibited.
There is a strct NO PYRO Rule in rc naval combat, aswell, all weapons are simulated using co2/HPA powered "air guns" (simply for lack of a better word) but these have the same muzzle energy as a cheap airsoft weapon, of 1Joule, and are therefore not counted as air rifles/pstols by UK gun laws.
I am aware of UK Gun laws, especially regarding airsoft, as I am a player, myself, and there is nothing in them that would prohibit this kind of sport.
as for those who said its not realistic - its a game, not a simulation. There is no way to have an accurate rc naval warfare simulation without breaking many gun/H&S laws & regulations.
If people are interested in information about the weapons systems, information can be found here: https://rcwarships.org/rcwarships/nwc_new/?category_id=29&menuaction=phpbrain.uikb.view_article&art_id=7
Dave.
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Rich is right. Accidents can easily happen. Any use of pyrotechnics must be treated with the utmost care - just ask the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team. I remember years ago somebody experimenting with 'blowing up' a merchant ship for an Atlantic convoy display. The very small charge that was supposed to just hole the model had a much greater effect than anticipated and those present were lucky to escape without injury. The story was published in Model Boats as a warning not to get involved in this sort of thing on an amateur basis. Explosives of any kind are unpredictable in their effects. You only have one body and it's best to keep it intact! Unfortunately such warnings are not heeded by the 'like a big bang, won't happen to me' brigade. The resulting injuries can be particularly nasty.
Colin
The Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team take safety extremely seriously, with a series of rules and regs that the members must follow to use these effects, also the models are checked yearly (MOTs) by our resident experts, we have safety documentation as well as rules, and pyrotechnic range safety checks have been carried out in the past at secure locations (pays to know people in the MOD!), our paperwork is second only in depth to a typical model yacht race, and you know how dangerous they can be.
As far as the article in Model Boats magazine, I have got most articles that have featured the team in the past and can not pin down this incident. I feel that in the 90s the magazine suffered from an undercurrent of 'dissing' the activities of the Display Team and can think of at least two articles. One at Olympia where an effect was described as leaving an undescribable mess spreading across the bottom of the pond following a series of explosions, I was there and it was my model. This was designed to do what it did and did not leave an undescribable mess spreading across the pond. At the first International Festival of the Sea we had a good write up with the addition that our use of a drydock resulted in HMS Victory getting her bottom wet for the first time in 125 years. No mention of the adjacent dry dock filled up for a diving school having any contributory factors, nect door to that was the Mary Rose and next door to that was HMS Victories dry dock..guilty.
I must say that in recent years the coverage of our displays has been excellent and has shown no sign of this apparent bias of previous years.
I would take issue with the statement 'experimenting'. This is not permitted at a public display, all our experimenting, as stated earlier, goes on behind closed doors.
Pyrotechnic effects are dangerous and any posts I have made in the past on the subject have related to the safety aspects and not the practical side of creating these 'big bangs'.
Daemon seems to be looking into all the proper aspects of this side of the hobby and I wish him well with his pursuit of this in the UK.
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As far as the article in Model Boats magazine, I have got most articles that have featured the team in the past and can not pin down this incident.
It predated the PMBDT, it was sometime back in the 1970s! Nothing new under the sun.
Colin
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It predated the PMBDT, it was sometime back in the 1970s! Nothing new under the sun.
Colin
This incident happened thirty or so years ago and before JC became editor. The "target" had a "torpedo" fired at it, on impact a small charge of flash powder was supposed to ignite making lots of smoke; the unfortunate thing was that either far to much flash powder had been used or, that some gunpowder had become mixed up with the flash powder though, I suspect, the charge was all made up entirely of the former as the damage to the sturdy "target" was more or less terminal and bits went all over the place.
Well remember the 1st IFOS at Portsmouth and the Olimpia show and the resultant noise, smoke and bits floating in the pond afterwards, as I was covering both.
Returning to the point of this heading. I just don't see the point of destroying something you have built and spent time and money on, it's childish at best.
The risks involved are in my jundiced view just not worth it, there only needs one accident and the whole marine modelling scene will be tarred. Keep it on the other side of the pondwere they like playing with guns and real ammo.
LB
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I'm sorry by I feel like I must reiterate this point:
THERE ARE NO PYROTECHNICS USED.
All damage is to a silkspanned balsa "skin" which is placed over pebetrable "windows" cut into the hull of the boat. These balsa panels can be plugged/patched easily and are generally replaced once a year.
All electronics are scothkoted or encased in a watertight box, and there us usually a floatation device starched to one end of a long spool of wire aatched to the hull to assist recovery in deep water, although most battling us done is water 1 to 3 feet deep.
I think that covers the previous comment...
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Not my cup of tea, however I can't think of anything that would interest kids more than seeing ships sinking each other. Also it's a bit of fun, sometimes I think we can take our hobby a bit to seriously, so as they say "live and let live" A different subject on the site shows some modellers know how to have a bit of fun, re: the duck race.
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Not my cup of tea, however I can't think of anything that would interest kids more than seeing ships sinking each other. Also it's a bit of fun, sometimes I think we can take our hobby a bit to seriously, so as they say "live and let live" A different subject on the site shows some modellers know how to have a bit of fun, re: the duck race.
Precisely :-))
I totally accept your pints of view, one of the only posts that recognises 'it doesn't appeal to me' but 'let's not stop others having a bit of fun :-))
I was finding the thread quite interesting for similar reasons to you, and then the Elf 'n Snakeys got involved saying how irresponsible it is to use pyrotechnics - WTF are they on about - read the posts about what it's about >>:-(
Too many members of the 'I don't like it so it shouldn't be allowed' brigade involved in this thread, (again!!)
Mark.
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This incident happened thirty or so years ago and before JC became editor. The "target" had a "torpedo" fired at it, on impact a small charge of flash powder was supposed to ignite making lots of smoke; the unfortunate thing was that either far to much flash powder had been used or, that some gunpowder had become mixed up with the flash powder though, I suspect, the charge was all made up entirely of the former as the damage to the sturdy "target" was more or less terminal and bits went all over the place.
Well remember the 1st IFOS at Portsmouth and the Olimpia show and the resultant noise, smoke and bits floating in the pond afterwards, as I was covering both.
Returning to the point of this heading. I just don't see the point of destroying something you have built and spent time and money on, it's childish at best.
The risks involved are in my jundiced view just not worth it, there only needs one accident and the whole marine modelling scene will be tarred. Keep it on the other side of the pondwere they like playing with guns and real ammo.
LB
Glad to hear the incident was years before the display team even formed. The description of the charge make up is enough to make a sensible person wince, of course it did what it did!
If there was anything floating about after our displays at these events it would have consisted of bits of 1/16" balsa and brown parcel tape, hardly 'indescribable'.
'Childish' is what keeps grown men sane, dont deny us that little pleasure!
The risk of 'risks' can sometimes get in the way of the chance of 'sensible' behaviour in us all. I witnessed an incident involving a model of medium speed hit the pondside at the Warwick Show a few weeks ago, the OOD promptly shouted at the owner and his young son, ejecting him from the pond loudly, following a simple error of judgement by the operator. Father and tearful son promptly last seen heading back to their club stand. "The model could have left the pond and hit a member of the public!" not that size of model and not with that power set up. Good PR I dont think. A quiet word would have been the better action in my humble opinion.
We can all be guilty of shouting loudly before engaging brain cells. Most times those proposing an idea have thought it through, including any risks, before moving to the next stage. We do take into account the risks, in this day of 'dont do this, dont do that, it could be dangerous,' we have to...
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Hi Dave
Sounds a great idea and I wish you luck in setting it up. I've often looked at the Aussie setup which seems to be very well run and everyone seems to be having a great time.
Look forward to your first event and would love one day to take part.
Regards
Alan
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I just don't see the point of destroying something you have built and spent time and money on, it's childish at best.
Really? Anymore more childish than making little boats and sailing them round and round a pond.
I'd be interested in it if it was in the area, and if it didn't cost too much, always liked the idea, thought before about trying to fit 1 of the firing mechanisms from 1 of the RC tanks, but didn't get much further than thinking lol
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A member of our club has done precisely that, removed the BB firing mechanism and barrel from a defunct tank and fitted it to the front of one of his grey boats, it works ok, the little yellow plastic balls aren't that impressive though.... {-) {-)
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hi cf-fzg you seem to be upset that some people find this a bit dangerous or not for them well that is their right to say that as this is an open forum,i do believe the gentleman who started this was looking to see who was and was not interested in this side of the hobby. now as to the pyros this was brought up in some of the posts now no one said that pyro's would be used but if they were to be used care should be taken, as a member of the PMBDT and one of its safety officers we do know a thing or two about this , and as i said at the end of my post if all the safety side is sorted then go and have fun
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Hi bat44,
I think I understand your post, it's very hard to read with very little punctuation.
However, I didn't say I was upset 'that some people find this a bit dangerous or not for them' - please read what I wrote. I was primarily objecting to those who are not capable of understanding some pretty simple statements, especially when the OP repeatedly stated certain things about the safety of these 'guns'.
As for the pyros, I think I made clear my thoughts on those who responded to the subject, obviously the same people I mentioned in italics above. I do appreciate that pyros and other 'things that can go bang' are dangerous when used incorrectly, (for modelling purposes ok2 - after all they are supposed to be dangerous :}), and also know a little about the safety requirements/distances etc. required for their 'safe' use.
Mark.
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Not quite blasting each other out of the water with TNT but still looks like fun (can I say Fun !.). It looks like they try sink each other by ramming or trying to dip the stearn / bow down into the water to slowly flood it, they also appear tp firing water jets at each other as well( mind you from a previous thread that is probably not allowed either)
Yes its probably a stupid thing to do, but so what, if they enjoy it go for it..
I think a RC Naval Combat Club in the would be fun but I think the Insurance bill might be a tad High even if you could get one..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57GInh50DBE&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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The ramming is accidental, there are bb cannons on board that they use.
The jets of water are bulge pumps used to simulate damage control to put off the ships sinking.
Rams are generally against the rules if they cause hull damage.
Dave.
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Doh , Should have read the video text..
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hi cf-fzg if you was not upset then why would you use this >>:-( as it stands for >>:-(tickoff
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so wait back to the original post how many people would be interested and If you have advice great , if you have worries fine thanks for worrying .
But if your going to tell some one that how they want to extend there modeling experiences is stupid........ don't bother
a mans trash is another mans gold (you may hate the idea but to someone else its Einstein)
wait for a post to come up saying what do you think about not a post that says who would be interested in joining my club. (hope my punctuation is up to your standard CF-FZG :D :-)) )
>>:-( kk >>:-( :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
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I would like to take a moment to thank EVERYONE on their input, it has helped me to reach the decision that I WILL continue further inquiries into setting up a club in the UK.
Thank you, honestly, for your input, and once again THERE WILL BE NO PYROTECHNICS. ;)
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Not quite blasting each other out of the water with TNT but still looks like fun (can I say Fun !.). It looks like they try sink each other by ramming or trying to dip the stearn / bow down into the water to slowly flood it, they also appear tp firing water jets at each other as well( mind you from a previous thread that is probably not allowed either)
Yes its probably a stupid thing to do, but so what, if they enjoy it go for it..
I think a RC Naval Combat Club in the would be fun but I think the Insurance bill might be a tad High even if you could get one..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57GInh50DBE&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Our club doesn't play like that. Bumper cars is not our game.
The Queen's Own Scale model warship club has been described as a slower more tactical game.
Ships will bump, but people are looking for firing solutions, and also setting up firing solutions for team mates.
It's the reason you will see the first two ships pass each other, because they don't want to be set up by
the following destroyers. Then you see the ships stop, because the skippers are setting up for a quick turn
should the chasing destroyer try to continue past.
Of course you see the following destroyer in the foreground stop also, because he is wary of getting caught in
a turning gun fight in the following position. More tactics being played out here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgqFogdKGfk
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So the airsoft aren't in use in this country ? I run a model tank that fires an airsoft pellets 25m ... Six tanks run around the woods shooting at targets ... And they punch holes in two or three sheets of card targets ... You can get replacement gun units for them ... Can't remember where from but they are quiet cheap under £20 for a full unit
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Airsoft units are unsuitable for a number of reasons:
1. They're electric, as such, they will be rendered useless after the first sink.
2. They're too big, there wouldn't be enough space in the turrets of even the largest battleships to fit three of these and barrels.
3. They're electric. Must be said again, as whilst servos and motors can be scotchkoted, the mechanism inside the unit is very susceptible to water.
I know of the units you mean, because I own an rc tank with an airsoft unit, myself.
The weapons used are purpose built using a paintball CO2/HPA tank, with a series of pressure regulators to drop the pressure down to 100psi, where its fed into a copper/pvc accumulator of between 1 and 2 cubic inches, where a solenoid or servo-operated poppet valve releases that stored co2/hpa up into the barrel, where it picks up the bb/steel shot and propels it out the barrel at between 50(for the 6mm, largest calibre) and.. I'm not actually sure what velocity the smallest bb sized shot is fired at, but it still has the same muzzle energy of 1 joule. I could do the calculation, but I don't know the weight of the bb sized steel shot.
Must be steel, lead would risk water polution.
Any further questions?
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100PSI ! having seen the damage a truck tyre can cause at this pressure id not want to see what damage it could do to a person . i think the whole idea of shooting anything from a model is potentially dangerous to all members of the comunity
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I think its 100psi, I will have to go over the rules sets(there's about six of them) to check. I think 100psi is the air tank pressure before the regulators drop it down.
There is a lot of rules to minimise crowd danger, ie: no weapons may fire with a positive elevation, limiting both the maximum range and the likelyhood of spectators/participants being hit by off-target shots.
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100psi is the max
Co2 pressure in the tank runs as high as 800 psi.
Our guns are individually calibrated and are not allowed to shoot through 2"(50mm) of pink or blue styrene foam insulation.
Most guns will have their pressure regulated below 100 psi to meet that standard.
Putting your hand behind the foam during a gun test is the ultimate trust in your settings. ok2
The volume behind any shot is only 1/2 to 1 cubic inch of volume, which is 1/4800 to 1/600 the volume of a 15" car tire.
Fighting at a private or isolated pond is a necessity,... a requirement.
Even with the guns no higher than "zero elevation", the models will pitch and roll, and the shot skips off the water.
I have seen shot skip off the water and only been able to watch as it bounces up and hits at the chest.
If this scares you, then the game is not for you, if you can imagine the tactics, are able to think through the
firing solutions, hit a target and are excited by the challenge, then setting up a small 1/72nd scale destroyer may be a consideration.
http://queensown.org/index.php
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hi krafty kid i have got that site we were talking about on the phone
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http://queensown.org/index.php
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An excellent website, it covers, in detail, build of models, safety rules, battle rules and so on. Recommended reading for all the naysayers out there as well as anyone contemplating a similar organisation over here.
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Thank Uni, yeah, queensown is a good website, so is www.rcnavalcombat.com and www.strikemodels.com is a good source for hulls/cannons/etc.
Daemon.
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Here is another approach worth considering...of course the Elf `n saffties will point out the dangers inherent in getting pond water squirted up your nostrils :o www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSi_Ydiyhgo
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Here is another approach worth considering...of course the Elf `n saffties will point out the dangers inherent in getting pond water squirted up your nostrils
Did you see those comments from the 'gun lovers'? It's a whole different mindset in the US, they just seem to love shooting things. It strikes me a really funny that they have a Department of Homeland Security that makes it as difficult as possible for the rest of the world to get into their country because we are all potential terrorists, and when you finally do, everyone seems to be running around with guns! real Alice in Wonderland stuff.
Sure, it's people that kill people as one of them says, but it's a heck of a lot easier in a country where most households appear to own a firearm!
Colin
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Model warship combat has nothing on firearm ownership in the USA,...
Flame throwers are not considered firearms... as some midwest springer tug owners might point out.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gyWbiUCcnpM
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Model warship combat has nothing on firearm ownership in the USA,...
Not directly, no. But I think it still stems from the same mindset of enjoying shooting things.
Many moons ago, 45 years in fact, I was a founder member of the UK Naval Wargames Society. We used to refight naval battles from Napoleonic to WW2 times using 1:1200 models on community hall floors. It was all great fun at the time and we did a lot of serious research into the characteristics of the various warships. The Society still exists although I have long outgrown it. When I was a kid I would have loved to have fought naval battles on lakes using BB shots to sink the enemy. That's what kids like. But as you grow older most people outgrow the 'bash things' mentality and it evolves into more sophisticated avenues such as the demos by people like the Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team who put on entertaining displays for the public based upon historical scenarios.
I have visited the States a couple of times in the last ten years and the general attitude to guns and 'the right to bear arms' leaves me feeling very uneasy. The closest I have seen to this elswhere is in Egypt where toting a firearm seems to be a common practice. That doesn't sit too well with us in Western Europe. Rifles and shotguns may be considered tools of the trade in certain occupations such as farming and that is fair enough but handguns are made for one purpose only and that is to kill or maim other people. As such their use properly belongs to the military and maybe the police although we manage pretty well in the UK without arming our regular street police.
Colin
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It looks a lot of fun but I don't fancy building a new boat each time. I don't think the H&S lot would allow it.
These boats don't sink but they put on a good show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7R6Pf7fZdI
Ali.
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There are so many complaints of health and safety gone mad yet judging by some of the replies on this thread it seems to be self propogating by the very people who complain about it {:-{
I don't participate myself but our club is affiliated with the Brisbane Battle Group. There are many misconceptions posted here, Australia has some of the toughest gun laws in the world, even air-soft is officially banned yet we have several active BB combat clubs. It wont be easy to convince the beaurocrats but go for it.
http://www.ausbg.org/bbg/index.htm
Here is the rules O0
http://www.ausbg.org/bbg/bbg_hobby_info_Page_Content/AusBG%20Rules%20(2005)%20BOR.pdf
Nick
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It looks a lot of fun but I don't fancy building a new boat each time. I don't think the H&S lot would allow it.
These boats don't sink but they put on a good show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7R6Pf7fZdI
Ali.
you dont build a new one each time. they are built to be sunk and repaired repeatedly... people are still battling with boats made 20 or so years ago.
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people are still battling with boats made 20 or so years ago.
So is the Royal Navy so I suppose it's quite realistic in that respect then!
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So is the Royal Navy so I suppose it's quite realistic in that respect then!
Treason! Arrest that man! :police:
Oh...hang on...we pensioned off all the guards, didn't we? Oh well...be a good boy in the future then.
Rich
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you dont need to re-build a boat everytime it sinks
they have a float thats attached to a long reel ( id have at least the max depth of battle space + ~1/3 ) of STRONG Wire ( i think high guage fishing wire )
so the boat sinks, the float detaches and remains on the surface, so you can use the wire to either gently lift her off the bottom and get her to the surface where she can be pulled out the water
then its a simple patch and shes good to go again ( the electronics / batterys should be in watertight boxes inside so they shouldnt get wet )
every once a year or so, most people completly re-skin there boats
probs not a good idea but has anyone thought of the r/c Tank warefare kits that are avalible ?
they work on infrared light, so no projectiles to worry about
and after so many hits the loosers battle system shuts down ( or the whole boat if you would prefer )
this would mean the loser has so suffer the humiliation of having to request a 'tow' back to port
no sinking...perfectly safe...and readily availible...
sure watching boats sink is alot better for the kids as they get a visual representation of the battle, but once health and safety get involved it opens up like a can of worms
i seem to remember reading something along time ago that claimed that they could be classed as concealed weapon
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infa red sounds a good ida if you wanted you could set a servo up to push a panel attached to the boat via string that panel if big enough when the system runs out will be pushed of and sink no rebuilding
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yeah thats what i thought. if you want them to sink, maybe you could have a bilge pump that works in reverse ( pumping water into the boat ) that activates when your ship is out of the battle, that would sink the boat pretty quickly
wouldnt damage it, and would be much simpler to install than a sliding trapdoor
im sure i read that the air powered cannons would be concealed weapons, unless they had markers and stuff * including bright orange caps for the barrels *
i would think they would have alot of similar traits to paintball guns in regards to safety and operation
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infa red is the way to go
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ive been thinking about this...and ive come up with a viable option ( i think, feel free to poke holes in )
yet 4 identical warship ( ish ) hulls that are stable ( thinking yamato or bizmark hulls )
fit moveable turrets ( 1 fore 1 aft ) to the ship
hook 'lazer tag' weapons to the guns
wire the 'recivers' to the superstructures
hook it up to 2 controllers ( so one person can control the guns, the other can aim / fire the weapons )
have a small hole in the belly but attach a valve to prevent water from entering.
once a player is out of the game..a servo would open the valve ( like a tap ) and water would begin to pour into the ship
if she doesnt make it to port quickly...down she goes
also have a free floating lifeboat on the deck attached to the ship via a long cable + winch
when the ship sinks the lifeboat floats free and the winch ( contained within the ship ) unwinds out keeping the 2 firmly attached
rescueing a sunk ship would simply involve picking up the lifeboat...and very gently...lifting up the ship off the bottom