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Title: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 03:19:55 PM
I have just been told by management that I can have a new workshop/shed the question is what do you think is the best size I know that people will say, the biggest you can get, but it has to be remembered that is would need insulating , heating , lighting all of which get dearer as the size get larger. I have in mind a 20ft x 12ft or 20ft x 10ft open to sensible ideas
                   Cheers
                       BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: RickF on March 25, 2007, 03:22:51 PM
Move into the loft, Bob. All-weather modelling!

Rick
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on March 25, 2007, 03:27:21 PM
At your age dont take to long making your mind up Buddy ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 03:46:01 PM
I don't care how old I am I can't die I have too many boats to finnish off , and build , anyway Richard only the good die young  ::) ::) , can't move into the loft that is already spoken for
           Cheers
               BobB
                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: FullLeatherJacket on March 25, 2007, 04:23:14 PM
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/131251milbs/caris01.jpg)

My first attempt at posting a piccy. This is my personal sweatbox, which is 17 ft x 8ft. Couldn't build onto the back of the garage because this is a conservation area and I'd need an act of Parliament to fetch up that b100dy flowering cherry tree.
Workshop is just about the right size, except like any room your stuff expands to fill it very quickly.
FLJ
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Tug on March 25, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
Mine was 17 X 12 must admit a bit extra would have been useful,

An empty shed looks gi-normas, till you get the benches all round and the shelving
 the centre bench for delicate jobs,

Pillar drill, belt sander, grinder, then Two lathes. er! an extention needed.  but it was cosy and fully insulated a greenhouse heater completed the job.

so I think your 20X12 is a good size, ask when you order it I got an extra foot at the same price,
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 25, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
Bob,
It really has to be as large as you can.
As has been said, by the time you get the bench, shelves etc, the available spare space is reducing all the time.
Even insulating eats up space.
I work in a double garage and dont have enough room, but bloody cars have to fit as well.

Bob
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 04:48:19 PM
I have at the moment got a 16ft x 10ft and with all the boats , lathe , sawbench and numerous other tools it is a bit tight for room . The idea is to give the old workshop/shed over to her in the kitchen as a potting shed come covered area to keep all the gardening tools and lawnmowers , and our bikes and tandem , have had some prices for a 20ft x 12ft pent roof shed and by the time I have put electrics in and insulated it there isn't much change from 2000 but they don't put pockets in shrouds and the graveyard if full of rich people and I suppose it isn't as much as some spend on their holidays each year
                                                                                  Cheers
                                                                                       BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: dougal99 on March 25, 2007, 05:59:59 PM
Bob

Get the biggest you can afford/fit into garden. The only trouble is that your work/boat collection will grow into whatever space you've got.  :(

Doug

PS You can always leave it to me in your will  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: omra85 on March 25, 2007, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from Tug  "ask when you order it I got an extra foot at the same price"

So you'll be changing your name to Jake now ??? ;D

Danny

Who works in a draughty, uninsulated garage hence spends much time on here ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 25, 2007, 06:51:05 PM
When it is this cold you got it  :)

Bob
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 06:57:24 PM
Hi Doug
    Will think about it depends how much rum you ply me with at Skipsea  ::)
                                         Cheers see you soon
                                                          BobB
                   
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 06:58:46 PM
Danny I would be pleased with an extra foot whatever the time of year or temp. :o
                                                  Cheers
                                                         BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: slewis on March 25, 2007, 07:31:03 PM
The biggest shed you can fit in the space you have and has been said earlier you WILL always fill it up and it wont be big enough !!
(http://shutter02.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/005/52/FB/7B/05/0Y+J9m1EsAyGWhII6g8ukNyXdpu1deIn0280.jpg)

My shed Workshop approx 30' X 15' and full of junk !  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: dougal99 on March 25, 2007, 07:45:40 PM
Hi Doug
    Will think about it depends how much rum you ply me with at Skipsea  ::)
                                         Cheers see you soon
                                                          BobB
                   

Bob

Unfortunately, not going to make it this year.  :(  Have a good time.

Doug
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: John W E on March 25, 2007, 07:51:58 PM
shane - I spy with my little eye - something beginning with B sitting on the bench

do you feed him  ;D

have a look at this link

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

aye
john e
bluebird
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: slewis on March 25, 2007, 08:01:53 PM
What a strange link  ;D ;D

The Badger is an inheritence from a dear departed friend who was into taxidermy .
I have no idea what I am going to do with it !

Shane
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on March 25, 2007, 08:10:54 PM
Danny I would be pleased with an extra foot whatever the time of year or temp. :o
                                                  Cheers
                                                         BobB

FOOT ??  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 25, 2007, 09:07:44 PM
Foot as in feet and inches and her in the kitchen   ........I'll leave you to make the connection between the two Richard
                                                                                                    Cheers
                                                                                                          BobB   :-* :-*
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Roger in France on March 26, 2007, 06:46:53 AM
When I built my new workshop I had the intention of storing all the garden tools there. I put a 2m. wide roller shutter in at one end to be able to drive my rather large diesel mower in and out. However, after fitting out the shop the mower now lives in one of the garages!

Big enough is never enough!

One tip I will give you is to try and arrange for a couple of pendant power points, Since doing so I have found that having a socket just above head height is very convenient, more flexible, the cables of appliances are less of a nuisance and it is much safer.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 26, 2007, 09:29:10 AM
Why not kill two birds with one stone? Buy a 1:1 scale boat and you will find that for most of the year it actually turns into a workshop.  ??? ???
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: tigertiger on March 26, 2007, 10:56:47 AM
Just a thought.

A friend of mine had a large shed, about 25x12. But it was split into 3 rooms. 2 small one large.

One was used for storage. The other two were work areas, but if it got cold he would move into one (less heating) and close the door.
This also has the option for heating one for paintshop or poxy duties when things are a bit cool. It also means you can do stinky stuff, leave a door open but still hide in the warm of another room.

The shed wasn't rectangular either which opens up some possibilities.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: bigH on March 26, 2007, 11:35:15 AM
I just open the door to my workshop, throw stuff in quick and shut it again before everything inside falls out.   My dearly beloved (HAHAHAHAHAARGH) has suggested the local dump.  bigH
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: tigertiger on March 26, 2007, 12:41:07 PM
I just open the door to my workshop, throw stuff in quick and shut it again before everything inside falls out.   My dearly beloved (HAHAHAHAHAARGH) has suggested the local dump.  bigH

Sounds like spring cleaning and a trip to ebay may be in order  ;D ;D









How much do you think you get for wives on ebay? :-* :-*
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: tobyker on March 26, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Shane - isn't that an airbrush on the bench - or if it's not no 'airbrush, perhaps a shaving brush in waiting. But all that space, and no motorbikes?
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: omra85 on March 26, 2007, 01:59:15 PM
American - unfortunately there's no English equivalent ;D

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w191/omra85/requests.jpg)

Danny
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 26, 2007, 03:29:23 PM
Right guys thanks for your input have now ordered 20ft x 12ft pent roof shed which I will section so I have a storage area
                                                                                                               Cheers
                                                                                                                    BobB ( every man should have a shed)
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on March 26, 2007, 03:49:57 PM
just a hint can you get roof lights fitted to it , Ive got a velux window in my room and it makes it so much nicer to work in ,also think about plug sockets work out how many then double it at least.try not to use florescent lights ,they can be dangerous in workshops (strobe effect), go for spots .Think about a small consumer unit in it so you can isolate things .Peter
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: chingdevil on March 26, 2007, 08:50:55 PM
After reading this thread I am green with envy, some of you guys have workshops bigger than my living room (15x13). There is no way SWMBO will allow anything that big in our garden. Perhaps I could put her up in the shed 8x8 and then use the bedroom ;) ;)

Yeah Right!!

The other Brian
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Big Mark on March 26, 2007, 09:05:50 PM
I only have a small garden so I'm going to go for a 10 x 4 like this
(http://www.metal-sheds-online.co.uk/images/storemore/ferndale.jpg)
Easy to light and heat and I'm not planning anything too massive in the next few years
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: slewis on March 26, 2007, 09:13:37 PM
Sorry Ching  but this is half the garden  :P
(http://shutter07.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/006/5F/76/FD/6B/GjEg5bfUgXJf-C0SZhnXpyvHNIoR0YAL01E0.jpg)

The workshop pointed at by a red arrow.
The other half of the garden is the same length but woodland.
Cost new ?
100 cash in 1928 by my grandfather its so big as he had to buy the plot next to it as a condition of sale (shame)
But its gonna cost a fortune in inheritence tax when it becomes mine  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Bunkerbarge on March 26, 2007, 11:41:34 PM
just a hint can you get roof lights fitted to it , Ive got a velux window in my room and it makes it so much nicer to work in ,also think about plug sockets work out how many then double it at least.try not to use florescent lights ,they can be dangerous in workshops (strobe effect), go for spots .Think about a small consumer unit in it so you can isolate things .Peter

If flourescent lamps are used in a workshop environment they must be double tube units.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Roger in France on March 27, 2007, 06:53:46 AM
Bunkerbarge,

Can you explain your insistence that fluorescents must be double tubes, please?

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Big Mark on March 27, 2007, 09:12:35 AM
I'm a bit of a duffer but I think it is to do with the frequency that the tubes flicker. A single tube could flicker at the same frequency as the light reflected from a spinning chuck on a lathe or drill which would then make it look as if it was stationary.
If you have two tubes then I think they flicker at different frequencies and so avoid this issue.

I THINK that is the issue

Cheers
M
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Bunkerbarge on March 27, 2007, 09:16:43 AM
A flourescent tube actually gives a flickering light that is in time with the frequency of the supply i.e. 50 times a second.  Normally this is not noticeable to the human eye so all you see is a consistent light.

If however you use this light to illuminate rotating machinery and the item is rotating at a speed which is exactly divisible by 50 i.e 1000rpm, 1150 rpm, 2500 rpm etc it is possible that a strobe effect can be set up and the rotating object can appear to be stationary.  Obviously a potentially very dangerous situation in a workshop environment.

To counteract this you should always use a twin tube fitting in such a situation, as is a regulatory requirement in a commercial building, whereby the two tubes flicker out of sync with each other and cancel out the strobe effect.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 27, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
That's very interesting Bunkerbarge - I wasn't aware of it but it is obvious when you think about it.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: chingdevil on March 27, 2007, 10:00:44 AM
Blimey Shane now I am green with envy, that is some garden. If you ever get fed up with model boats, with that much space a garden railway would be ideal.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Bunkerbarge on March 27, 2007, 10:42:46 AM
Shane - isn't that an airbrush on the bench - or if it's not no 'airbrush, perhaps a shaving brush in waiting. But all that space, and no motorbikes?

I'm with you there tobyker!
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: cbr900 on March 27, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
This is my new shed just finnished, it is 16 metres x 8 metres, it should be big enough for me for a few years.....


Roy
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on March 27, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
Roy that aint no shed its a bl***ing warehouse !
Wheres the new house, iinside ? ???

Richard
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on March 27, 2007, 05:39:37 PM
Reminds me of a certain Australian gent .......................thats not a shed this is a shed..........and that realy is a shed could get all my boats in there and still have room to work ;D ;D

Cheers
     BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Roger in France on March 28, 2007, 07:05:20 AM
Bunkerbarge:

Thanks for the info. re fluorescent tubes. Helpful and informative.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 28, 2007, 07:16:08 AM
Bunkerbarge,
But dont you have a single fitting over your workbench!!   :)

Bob
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: cbr900 on March 29, 2007, 01:39:59 PM
Richard,  Bob,

This is the new House moved in last week, still sorting things out.....

And YES the House will fit inside the Shed......

Roy
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: RickF on March 29, 2007, 01:50:01 PM
Roy,

Glad to see you have things prioritised - hobbies first, then all you need is somewhere convenient to eat, sleep and cr*p!

Wish I had that sort of space, but the UK is not that big (or empty).

Rick
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Bunkerbarge on March 29, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
Bunkerbarge,
But dont you have a single fitting over your workbench!!   :)

Bob

Fair point but the picture is a bit misleading the tube is actually over the bikes, on the workbench there are a total of five lamps, non of which are flourescents.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: cbr900 on March 29, 2007, 02:32:30 PM
That must be why they call this the wide brown land........ ;D ;D ;D




Roy
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on March 29, 2007, 05:22:59 PM
That must be why they call this the wide brown land........ ;D ;D ;D




Roy
Not because its a s****y country then Roy ?? ???

Is the shed on your section ?

Richard ;)
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: roycv on March 29, 2007, 05:58:28 PM
Hi all, I designed my own shed / workshop 10 years ago.  It is 12 feet x 8.  The size was chosen as I had just been thrown out of the small bedroom which was this size.
First it had to be warm.  So it has double glazed window glass.  The bare double glazed window glass is much cheaper than you might expect.  It has 2 inches min. insulation all round and the floor is nice and solid, 3/4 inch ply.
Lots of power points available and permanently warm.

The main worktop came from the kitchen and is about 2 inches thick.  I went to a local bespoke kitchen company and they made two sets of drawers units for me.  Not dear, as I chose a cheap white finish and said I wanted the bare minimum machine work done and I would finish them off and transport them.  That is I put on decorative edging for drawers and the drawer handles. (2 units for the price of 1) They are still the best running drawers we have!
All still nice and solid having moved it all once.
regards to all Roy

Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: cbr900 on March 30, 2007, 01:49:18 PM
Richard,

The block of land we have is 900 square metres in size, both fit on well with a small amount left over for her indoors to have her garden.........


Roy
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Tug on April 01, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
I said ..up there.. a shed is never big enough
Yippie pictures after 3 years... (is it 3 years so soon)  Tug

(http://)
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on April 10, 2007, 03:08:42 PM
Thought you might like to see the progress so far with the new workshop base is now ready and workshop is being delivered 1st May
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on April 10, 2007, 03:28:37 PM
Doesn't appear to be much wrong with your existing workshop in the photo Bob.
Did they tell you which 1st of May Bob?

Richard
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on April 10, 2007, 04:35:28 PM
I can only assume by your remarks that that is how you used to treat your customers Richard  ;D ;D  and the date given was and still is 1st of May 2007 and if your remarks about the existing shed are aimed at the bungalow ..........you now have her in the kitchen to deal with .........she was last seen heading at a very rapide rate of knots southward  :P :P
                                                                            Cheers
                                                                                 BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on April 10, 2007, 04:45:25 PM
And this is where she is going to put you when she catches up with you  8) 8)
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on April 10, 2007, 04:55:09 PM
Look again Bob your chickens have escaped or do they fly South in the summer along with your good lady?
As for my customers Bob, I used to be a lot more specific, I always started a week on Tuesday.

Richard ;)

PS Have been keeping an eye open but have not seen your good lady fly over yet. Does she have sat nav?  ;D ???
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: a3nige on April 20, 2007, 02:04:02 PM
Very nice.
Are there any plans for sheds anywhere (preferably free) as I want to build a new workshop which will be about18ft x 8ft with a 3ft deep x 6ft long extention on the back left hand side. Cost to buy such a beast will be very prohibitive to the finance manager!!!!

Nige
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on May 01, 2007, 12:08:48 PM
Right it is now the 1st of May 2007 and despite Richards remarks the new workshop has arrived , the two men arrived here this-morning at 9.00am having left Birmingham at 6.00am it took them just two hours to put together and to prove that i am telling the truth here are a couple of pics ,no doubt Richard will have something to say but I don't care I can't spell I can't see but I do have a nice new shed to play in , and also my beloved MG is back on the road
                                                                                      Cheers
                                                                                            BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on May 01, 2007, 12:31:24 PM
Very nice

Peter
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 01, 2007, 01:51:37 PM
Hi BobB,

.... can I come and live in your workshop?!?!
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on May 01, 2007, 02:26:26 PM
Only if you send me a parking pass for Wicksteed Park Martin  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: tigertiger on May 01, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
Double doors.
Very useful.

Hope you have a lot of fun in there.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on May 01, 2007, 04:17:01 PM
Still say a shed in the front garden is a funny idea Bob. ???
Still once you get the sink and the washing machine plumbed in I've no doubt your good lady will be over the moon with it. ;D
I notice you have 2 windows, very nice, what are the 2 holes for?

There that wasn't too bad was it ?

By the way
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The i should have been a capital I.

Richard
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on May 01, 2007, 04:17:38 PM
What front garden ? maybe if you had a front garden you may know the difference , could be that I used a lower case "i" just to give you something to pick up on still if that's what floats your boat
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: DickyD on May 01, 2007, 04:19:28 PM
Sorry, beach ;D

Just looked, still got front garden.

Sorry Bob it will take more than that to float my boat.

Seriously though, very impressive shed and I'm glad to hear your car has been resurrected. You poser you.

Richard ;)
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: dougal99 on May 01, 2007, 10:17:02 PM
Bob

Just in time for Natonal Shed week qv ;D

Doug
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on May 02, 2007, 08:19:07 AM
Thanks Doug will miss you next week
                        Cheers
                             BobB
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 08, 2008, 05:35:14 PM
I haven't dared to post in this topic before now, not wishing to reveal the chaotic horror of my workbench, but having had a bit of a tidy up I thought I might share it. My workshop is actually quite small, ( 10 feet by 6 feet) and is a divided section on the end of the garage which was probably intended for storing garden tools, although, given the size of the garden, a knife, fork and pair of scissors to cut the "lawn" would be perfectlly adequate. I put in a false insulated floor, and covered the walls and ceiling with fibreboard so the electric convector makes it quite snug in the winter. As can be seen, I have tried to make the most of the space by really packing things in but it's not bad really. Paint spraying is done in the garage or in the garden depending on the weather.

Colin
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: craftysod on December 08, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
I'm jealous at the lot of you,got 3ft by 2ft desk in living room and SWMBO on emergency alert with hoover
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: Peter Fitness on December 08, 2008, 09:18:50 PM
When we lived on our farm, I had a 40' x 20' shed. Now I live at the beach, I have a 10' x 10' shed. However, at least I don't have to walk as far, as it's quite compact  :} , and nowhere near as neat and tidy as Colin's.  :embarrassed:  The fan is there because, in the summer (now) when I open the shed up, the temperature can be over 40 degrees C  :o Some photos below.

Peter.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: PMK on October 25, 2010, 11:01:45 PM
I put in a false insulated floor...

This is intriguing because I have read how several members are insulating their shed/shop floors. How is this done? What materials do you use?
My floor is just standard 3/4"-thick tongue & groove. Quite cold. So in order to insulate it, would I need to fit a layer of, say, 1"-thick polystyrene on top of the T&G? And if so, then would it be okay to lay some sheets of 3/4" tanalised chipboard on top of the poly? Would this make the floor 'bouncy'?
Would really appreciate your help/advice with this - thanks.
Title: Re: Ideal Size For A Workshop
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on October 26, 2010, 01:50:36 AM
whatever you use you can put thetype of boards they use to floor a loft nice and cheap and they can be glued together on all sides, don't worry the foam is dense enough to hold it I have a foot of concrete supported by 8" of foam 20' foot by 10' go for the foam with a reflective layer then heat will be reflected back to you.

Peter