Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: chris gillespie on December 31, 2011, 08:45:12 am
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Hi everyone
Ive taken the plunge and decided to make my first model boat, ive been at it for a month or so. Thoroughly enjoyable and addictive, alot more goes into it than meets the eye.
Iam making a FV Northwestern from Deadliest Catch, i love the elegant old girl and havent seen too many try and make her, so hopefully ill do her justice.
Total Scratch build
I am a complete novice so some methods may seem bizarre, started out by carving her hull out of high density foam, which was reasonably fast and productive. having already made myself full sized 1:32 plans. I struggled for a while to adequately seal the foam for future fibregalss layup, but i got there in the end with plain old pollyfilla yes i was surprised how well it worked, it was easily sandable and took to the foam well.
So my journey onwards full of self discovery lol, alot of materials id never used before, the next was fibreglass, which was reasonably priced, my technique however for a first time was pretty good, the odd tear in the gel coat where i added the matting, however the resin and strength was all good.
Hull is ready for deck and rib fit outs, wheelhouse is formed, sadly the cold weather has halted recent progress, however nothing is lost and i have whipped up 100 odd pot frames.
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Foam sandwich
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Taking shape 1
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Taking shape 2
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Taking shape 3
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Foam sealing
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First Fibreglass
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Deck and ribs
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Deck and ribs 2
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Pot Frames
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Hy Chris.
Welcome to the forum, I will watch this build with interest, it's looking good. Any more info on how you made the pot's.
Bosun
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Hy Chris.
Welcome to the forum, I will watch this build with interest, it's looking good. Any more info on how you made the pot's.
Bosun
Yes they are made of matches, technically the pots should be round however i feel with the netting and the buoys they look the part, dirt cheap which is great as starting out ive spent a small fortune kitting myself out with this and that. On the bright side my next model should be cheap. Ive used about 3000 matches to make a 100 pots i still have 2000 left to get me up to 170 odd which would be pretty realistic.
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those pots do look good. i thought the Northwestern actually does have square pots anyway. it will certainly look the part with 170 of them stacked on deck. please keep us up to date with the build. craig
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wow great first go what else have you built you obviously have some building experience.
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Yes that hull looks really great! Northwestern is my favorite too. You made your own plans? It looks very accurate. Will follow with great interest.
Good luck.
Hama.
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those pots do look good. i thought the Northwestern actually does have square pots anyway. it will certainly look the part with 170 of them stacked on deck. please keep us up to date with the build. craig
Yeh sorry they are square however they are made from round bar. The 5000 matches cost £4, the paint approximately £20 so pretty cheap, just loads of time cutting and glueing.
wow great first go what else have you built you obviously have some building experience.
I built a birdhouse http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157623021119251/ I am a bricklayer by trade, ive never made scale before, carved, used fibreglass.
Yes that hull looks really great! Northwestern is my favorite too. You made your own plans? It looks very accurate. Will follow with great interest.
Good luck.
Hama.
Thanks Hama
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Have a pat on the back for such a succesful first attempt at scratch building. Talk about jumping in the deepest bit of the deep end!! :-))
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Very impressed for a first attempt at scratch building, you must have a natural skill hidden away O0
Regarding the pots, if matchsticks look right for scale, surely cocktail sticks would be also about right - and round ? Just thinking out loud Chris if someone else was thinking about trying it %)
Looking forward to more news on the build as well
Mike
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Very impressed for a first attempt at scratch building, you must have a natural skill hidden away O0
Regarding the pots, if matchsticks look right for scale, surely cocktail sticks would be also about right - and round ? Just thinking out loud Chris if someone else was thinking about trying it %)
Looking forward to more news on the build as well
Mike
yes cocktail sticks would do, however they would be way more expensive all in, the trouble also 7x7 pots the matches and cocktail sticks are just too short , so have to glue extensions on. the cocktail stick bond was less strong than the matches. If i had a smaller scale they would have been fine. :-))
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yes cocktail sticks would do, however they would be way more expensive all in, the trouble also 7x7 pots the matches and cocktail sticks are just too short , so have to glue extensions on. the cocktail stick bond was less strong than the matches. If i had a smaller scale they would have been fine. :-))
That's sorted that then ! Length did cross my mind but thought there wouldn't be much difference to matchsticks. I'll shut up now and wait for the next update from you :-))
Mike
PS Agree with your choice of Northwestern, she has lovely lines and looks brilliant butting into a head sea in the series. There is a couple of others of similar design but the rest are ugly things, but obviously good sea boats !
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That's sorted that then ! Length did cross my mind but thought there wouldn't be much difference to matchsticks. I'll shut up now and wait for the next update from you :-))
Mike
PS Agree with your choice of Northwestern, she has lovely lines and looks brilliant butting into a head sea in the series. There is a couple of others of similar design but the rest are ugly things, but obviously good sea boats !
She has lovely lines indeed, i spent a while researching alot of the dutch harbour boats. Iam a forward wheel house guy, the stern wheelhouses just do nothing for me. This guy has loads of pictures of most of the fleet if your interested 700 odd :-)) http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=fvalbum&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs229.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee92%2FFValbum%2F&ei=5WYAT7veIMugOvidgKsD&usg=AFQjCNFtbqXzEo2ssNiEW6xGrHw8ETEPwA
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Thanks for the link Chris, there are a good few hours viewing there ! I knew obviously that there were far more crabbers than seen on the DC series but not quite so many ! Are all the Dutch Harbour boats crabbers or do they go after other species ?
Mike
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MikeK
There is only about 80 boats fishing king crab and same again for oppies, since they changed the quota system 3/4 years ago. There are numerous other fisheries though like tanner crab, brown crab which dont get the glitsy deadliest catch attention.
Not all boats that fish king, fish oppies also i think it really does change yearly depending on who leases certain portions of quotas etc.
The fvlbum link has a great diversity of most of the boats, some are dedicated to boats that have sunk, there is also a huge amount of trawlers there also. :-))
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So i did my first water test last night, watertight and is very well balanced. However im going to need an awful lot of weight/ballast.
Iam planning to include a fair bit of hardware which shall hopefully bring the weight up. This will include 2 12v lead acid batteries in parrallel, feeding the motor and a large diesel sound generator.......6V lead acid in the bow for bow thruster, all the lights, bilge pump, radars and working crane mechanism.
Hopefully and with some good planning ill be able to fit all this in. Its not just about hiding it under the deck as i want an area accessible to incorporate maybe ballast tanks as this might help my dilemma.
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I have a selection of motors, this is because ive been given some contradicting information i may have to trial and error it. There is a Johnsson 600 which some claim will be too fast..i think it might be the best option as the northwestern model will be very heavy and will need power, in real life she does 11-14 knots which is pretty decent. The other engines are a 540 6:1 which ive been advised as giving better scale speed, i have my concerns as scale speed is diffult to get right, at that size the water is like soup as opposed to water therfore more power is needed, which maybe makes it look a bit faster. The last one is a graupner 600 that is 8.5 volts so id need to run it off of a 6v battery. A friend has a lifeboat which is a bit shorter than my model but has twin triple 7s, this worries me as the speed isnt that fast. Anyway plenty of time later on to decide.
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I did a mock up of the wheel house just to see how it looks, the wheelhouse was only taped together and put on temporary supports, the wheelhouse and captains quarters need to be trimmed too, but im very satisfied with the look and realistic form. I may have to look at the bow as it appears a bit sharp, not a lot though.
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Another amateur mistake i made was to buy poundland epoxy, it was terrible stuff, didnt set properly and was very brittle when an area did eventually set. I already did my ribs and deck with the 'rubbish' epoxy so redid it with araldite which im sure will be far superior and trustworthy.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/)
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Very nicely done!
John
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What size are the props you intend to use, This info will help to make an informed decision. In any case you probably don't need more than 6000 RPM unloaded shaft speed. In most cases this will require a geared motor.
Nick
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What size are the props you intend to use, This info will help to make an informed decision. In any case you probably don't need more than 6000 RPM unloaded shaft speed. In most cases this will require a geared motor.
Nick
its to scale at about 55mm
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OK, you need to aim for about 4500 RPM under load, for a direct drive motor it should turn at about 75% of unloaded RPM so 6500 RPM unloaded.
The 8.4 speed 600 at 12 volts would need a reduction of 3-3.5 to 1 or about 2:1 at 6 volts.
The MFA 6:1 motor at 12 volts will turn at about 2600 RPM, which would be too slow IMHO, the 2.5:1 ratio would be better at 6300 RPM
You need to determine the RPM per volt of the unknown Johnson to determine if its suitable. See here...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1035433&highlight=measuring+brushed+motor+kv (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1035433&highlight=measuring+brushed+motor+kv)
There is such a vast range of Johnson motors that without some data no one can make an informed opinion of whether a motor is suitable or not <*< ok2
You can run a motor at any voltage (within a reasonable range of its nominal voltage, as you double the voltage you double the RPM and amps but power goes up by a factor of 4, vis-versa halving voltage)
A Speed 900 or Action/MMB 900( I cant keep up with who has them any more %) ) would be ideal at 12 volts direct drive, it has the right RPM and enough torque, gearing the other motors at the suggested ratio will give the same result.
Hope this helps :-)
I have seen your post over at RC groups as well, I will copy this info over
Cheers
Nick
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OK, you need to aim for about 4500 RPM under load, for a direct drive motor it should turn at about 75% of unloaded RPM so 6500 RPM unloaded.
The 8.4 speed 600 at 12 volts would need a reduction of 3-3.5 to 1 or about 2:1 at 6 volts.
The MFA 6:1 motor at 12 volts will turn at about 2600 RPM, which would be too slow IMHO, the 2.5:1 ratio would be better at 6300 RPM
You need to determine the RPM per volt of the unknown Johnson to determine if its suitable. See here...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1035433&highlight=measuring+brushed+motor+kv (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1035433&highlight=measuring+brushed+motor+kv)
There is such a vast range of Johnson motors that without some data no one can make an informed opinion of whether a motor is suitable or not <*< ok2
You can run a motor at any voltage (within a reasonable range of its nominal voltage, as you double the voltage you double the RPM and amps but power goes up by a factor of 4, vis-versa halving voltage)
A Speed 900 or Action/MMB 900( I cant keep up with who has them any more %) ) would be ideal at 12 volts direct drive, it has the right RPM and enough torque, gearing the other motors at the suggested ratio will give the same result.
Hope this helps :-)
I have seen your post over at RC groups as well, I will copy this info over
Cheers
Nick
Thanks very much Nick, much to think on, im also not very electrical so this whole project is a leap into the unknown, am i right in assuming i could stick the 12v rated johnson 600 which is a nippy motor apparently and just set my speed controller at start up ? ive been recently advised that is an option.
Thanks again
Chris
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I cannot answer that question without knowing the specs of the motor, but I dont think it would work as well as matching the motor RPM to the prop RPM.
Setting the speed controller to only give partial throttle generates extra heat in the ESC, for constant running I don't think this is desirable especially with the large capacity batteries you are using.
Nick
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are you putting twins in it?
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I cannot answer that question without knowing the specs of the motor, but I dont think it would work as well as matching the motor RPM to the prop RPM.
Setting the speed controller to only give partial throttle generates extra heat in the ESC, for constant running I don't think this is desirable especially with the large capacity batteries you are using.
Nick
MMMMM interesting, the guy giving advice is treasurer for local boat club, lets say he has had a few boating incidents from what im hearing lol.....
i shall thoroughly investigate this when the time is right :-))
are you putting twins in it?
No she is a single screw :-))
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Nick
i found my purchase slip for the Johnsson,
JOHNSON 600 SIZE 3 POLE MOTOR WITH INTEGRAL COOLING FAN 6V - 12V OFF LOAD CURRENT 1.57A 20.000 RPM
DIMENSIONS L;65MM D;36MM 3.2MM SHAFT
so where does that leave me? lol
thanks again
Chris
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who suggested these motors for you?
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A guy at the model boat club.
Its quite possible im a dumbass and didnt check for other varients of the "Johnson 600" however one would assume a johnson 600 rated for 6-12v would be a fairly standard.
the MFA 540 6:1 was recommended by Dave from action electroncis, as he sold it to me lol.
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people have different ideas whats suitable. I personally would have a chose a 555 motor from mmb.
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Defo go with A 900 motor from ACTion good motor,if to slow then this motor WILL take up to 24V BUT use an ACTion speed controller
Dave
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The 600 will work as well but it also needs to be geared, 20000 / 6000 = 3.3:1 reduction.
Most motors (especially brushed) need some sort of reduction to be efficient, The Action 900 is large for the power but has the right RPM, a smaller motor with gearing will be more efficient but not enough to be significant unless weight is an issue (not in this case ok2 )
http://www.maxxprod.com/mpi/mpi-10a.html
On this page near the very bottom is a relatively cheap 2.9:1 gearbox
Model ACC365 2.9:1 $21.50 Speed 500, 600
Its close enough to the 3.3:1
Or on this page
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/gearboxes.html
a couple of 3:1 500-600 gearboxes
There is a Mabuchi RE 800 that has similar specs to the Action 900 as well but I haven't seen them.
Edit, it looks like it might be the MFA torpedo 800
Cheers
Nick
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Thanks again Nick
Ill get myself some 3:1 ratio gears as i have 2 johnsons, so i can set it up and i also have a back up :-))
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Having had experiences of The MFA geared motors I would not bother
I don't doubt your calculations in the least Nick BUT did you allow windage undercurrents and an emergency situation......Main reason of a 900 motor as simple it has the oomphhhh not only to do the job but has masses of RESERVE to get you out of trouble,.having seen some tugs sailing backwards against a headwind fitted with geared motors.....I for one will not have them near a model.
as for a 900 being large in size it is NO longer than a MFA geared motor.
I would hate for charles to install the wrong motor and then have to re engineer to fit the correct one
It's your choice but i know what i would do
Dave
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Welsh Wizard, Re-read my post #18 %)
Ive got a 6:1 MFA sitting in my motor box as well, wonder why its not in a boat? Its better suited to a 80-90 mm prop or a slower model
Nick
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Hello Chris, a very interesting subject, my questions are what did you use to seal the foam core with, and what did you use for a release agent prior to the fiberglass layup?
Thank you Pat.
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Hello Chris, a very interesting subject, my questions are what did you use to seal the foam core with, and what did you use for a release agent prior to the fiberglass layup?
Thank you Pat.
I used polyfilla, which is a compound for filling in plasterboard holes, someone reckoned it was similar to spackling compound, it adhered well to the foam and sanded really easily. Another bonus was it had a good working time, just keep water away even when dry.
when i got smooth i gave the polyfilla a quick spray with some left over paint, which is used for car body work, this worked two fold as it created another seal over the polyfilla to stop it getting damaged and is water proof. I gave it very final fill and sand.
I coated the plug approx 10 times with release wax (pic below) then a sprinkle of baby talc
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Chris
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Hello Chris, many thanks for the information.
Pat.
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Very interesting build ... I am looking forward to the rest of it.
Cheers
Tom
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So ive basically spent the last few days cutting and glueing the hull ribs, this isnt a particularly glamerous job however very neccessary.
The fibre glass although strong has a certain amount of flex, so the ribs and infills are to act as wall supports to keep a certain amount of rigidity. It is the best that can be done as i need a certain amount of open plan space.
The wife has been harping on about putting some paint on %) ive resisted the temptation making sure i have all the structural work finnished first, id say im nearly there. Only deck supports left to do down below, then ill be ready to commence work on the decks.
Ive also been doing some outer hull work only in the form of gentle filling and sanding. the wheel house has also had gentle filling and sanding, so ill maybe prime it tonight, make the wife happy lol.
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A happy wife makes a happy boat builder :-))
Cheers
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That is so true, she affords me a great amount of undesturbed time (3 kids). However shes wanted finnished paint and dare i say fittings since fibreglass hehe :o
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Ok heres pictrues of the rib and infill work for strength.
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I primed the hull, then added one top coat of white paint, i stilll have to sand it, the wheelhouse was given a prime and one coat as well.
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Looking great Chris, do you intend putting in any transverse bulkheads just to make absolutely sure there is no twisting of the hull or is she nice and stiff now ? just wondered as there seems to be a fair bit of unbraced hull between the side knees
cheers
Mike
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Looking great Chris, do you intend putting in any transverse bulkheads just to make absolutely sure there is no twisting of the hull or is she nice and stiff now ? just wondered as there seems to be a fair bit of unbraced hull between the side knees
cheers
Mike
She is nice and stiff at the moment, iam planning a forward bulkhead, and possibly one at the stern where the engine will be mounted, maybe another at the back of exhaust stack.
Ive basically set myself up with open plan at the moment to see what i can fit in, as i have a bit of hardware etc. The deck where the wheelhouse is will be permanantly fixed to the exhaust stack,
She is really rigid at teh moment so itll be fine till i work it all out :-))
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That's good news then, my thoughts were on when she is just sitting there with all the parts setting off hard, sometimes a twist can slowly take up in the hull. OK zip put in place across cake hole back to watching and enjoying ! %) :-))
Mike
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So ive spent the last few days, remaking my mould, as i had made good adjustments to the hull and felt it worthwhile to re do for future. At this stage im thinking ahead of maybe making an Early Dawn and North American also. This would involve reducing the length which can be done by adding a temporary stern plate to my mould, as the Early Dawn and North American are the same hull just havent been lengthened.
Ive worked out and penciled all the hull markings and openings, ive primed the lower hull ready for first coat of red anti foul.
no photos at the moment as interent is at a trickle at the moment
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no photos at the moment as interent is at a trickle at the moment
I'm interested Chris O0
Dave
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ok internet is working better today, here is some photos of the mould and hull prime work. The mould was a great success nice and tight, strong and secure.
Sadly because of the heat reaction it took some of the top layer of paint with it, and bubbled large areas. So i know it wasnt lack of release agent, just the heat reaction with the resin and hardner.
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no photos at the moment as interent is at a trickle at the moment
{-) that is so funny Chris. My last reply read your spelling mistake 'interent' as interest and not internet.
I thought you felt no one was interested - I'm wetting myself here mate {-) {-) {-) %%
Dave
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I thought exactly the same {-) {-)
I thought 'Oh No not another build thread that's going to peter out'
I also think that the Northwestern is the best looking crabber.
Being stretched twice makes a lot of difference comparing her
with Early Dawn and North American. Mind you, not so many
pots to construct if building one of those O0 O0
Keep the piccies coming Chris
Ned
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{-) that is so funny Chris. My last reply read your spelling mistake 'interent' as interest and not internet.
I thought you felt no one was interested - I'm wetting myself here mate {-) {-) {-) %%
Dave
Oh i see... {-) {-) {-)
There has been plenty of views, not much debate and conversation about it, i would have thought it would be popular and spark conversations etc.
Maybe itll happen when it looks recognisable.
Regardless ill keep updating even if one person likes it or is inspired then itll be worth it :-))
I thought exactly the same {-) {-)
I thought 'Oh No not another build thread that's going to peter out'
I also think that the Northwestern is the best looking crabber.
Being stretched twice makes a lot of difference comparing her
with Early Dawn and North American. Mind you, not so many
pots to construct if building one of those O0 O0
Keep the piccies coming Chris
Ned
No itll not peter out, if spent an awful lot of money for materials, never mind man hours. Besides its kicked a kind of obsessive compulsion and passion in me %) {-)
thanks for the interest guys :-))
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I thought 'Oh No not another build thread that's going to peter out'
Hi guys - re quote - just posted a thread of that name.
Dave
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We are watching Chris and waiting for the day the hulls are for sale.
A lot of guys on here like the real vessel but there is not a lot of info
out there. Your hull looks right. Your Bridge/Deckhouse looks right.
I know that some forum members have recorded the series and
printed stills of the deck details with the intention of a build.
Yours Chris, is the first that has got this far.
Keep on Keeping on :-)) :-))
Ned
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Hy Chris
I am one of those who have'nt yet made a comment, but I have been watching with great interest, you're doing a really nice job. I know the work you are putting in can be just as frustrating as it can exhilerating, but well worth the effort. Looking forward to more of the same.
Bosun
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We are watching Chris and waiting for the day the hulls are for sale.
A lot of guys on here like the real vessel but there is not a lot of info
out there. Your hull looks right. Your Bridge/Deckhouse looks right.
I know that some forum members have recorded the series and
printed stills of the deck details with the intention of a build.
Yours Chris, is the first that has got this far.
Keep on Keeping on :-)) :-))
Ned
Your right Ned there is very little out there, i have some 600 odd pictures of the Northwestern i have watched all the series of deadliest catch a few times, purely to look for shots of the Northwestern.
Interestingly ever where ive researched reckons the Cornelia Marie is longer or at least the same length as the Northwestern. I have a Deadliest Catch still that shows and proves the CM is a good bit shorter :-)). A bit of usless info for you haha.
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Ive been working on the hull details, these are all pencilled on and are ready to be cut/drilled added to etc. Ive added the first coat of red anti foul, lightly sanded. This is all the paint work ill do on the bottom until all the running gear/keel/and bow thrusters etc.
(http://s17.postimage.org/71zhumouz/6726988613_1a2302c858.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/71zhumouz/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/74ql56hs7/6726990833_aec5433468.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/74ql56hs7/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/45g55caj5/6726986055_8dec26302f.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/45g55caj5/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/9xkuq89qp/6726981287_ef30b35ce2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9xkuq89qp/)
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Your right Ned there is very little out there, i have some 600 odd pictures of the Northwestern i have watched all the series of deadliest catch a few times, purely to look for shots of the Northwestern.
Interestingly ever where ive researched reckons the Cornelia Marie is longer or at least the same length as the Northwestern. I have a Deadliest Catch still that shows and proves the CM is a good bit shorter :-)). A bit of usless info for you haha.
Maybe the data for sizes was pre Northwestern lengthening as it had a good bit added to it after she was built cant remember how much but it was in Sig Hansens book
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Maybe the data for sizes was pre Northwestern lengthening as it had a good bit added to it after she was built cant remember how much but it was in Sig Hansens book
on the official site she is 125 feet, and has been since long before deadliest catch, the overhead still was series 3 or 4. We can only take the data that is available, everything about the cornelia has been pretty much unofficial.
here is the pic below
(http://s16.postimage.org/farkgfslt/boat_sizes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/farkgfslt/)
i would put the cornelia marie at 120 feet or so
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Then you have LOA and Registered length , from tip of stern to tip of bow for LOA and Stempost to Stern post for registered length to get around size rules
on the official site she is 125 feet, and has been since long before deadliest catch, the overhead still was series 3 or 4. We can only take the data that is available, everything about the cornelia has been pretty much unofficial.
here is the pic below
(http://s16.postimage.org/farkgfslt/boat_sizes.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/farkgfslt/)
i would put the cornelia marie at 120 feet or so
For example I was aboard a vessel and her registered length was 28.45m but LOA was 33m here is a picture of a model by Bill Woods of the vessel in question (http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/509/medium/Radiant2.jpg)
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Ive been working on running gear, the holes have been drilled. I had to wait and get a longer prop shaft, at the outset i was going for a short as shaft possible, the 90mm was 30mm too short, so i now have a 160mm just to make sure.
The reason was to keep all the weight in the middle. Ive drilled through for the bow thrusters and also added the keel to the hull. The hardest part so far has been the bilge keel's tricky little things, thankfully they are on now and solid.
Ive also drilled through all deck openings for water escape, also the under deck tank flows. Ive made my own 7mm rubber strakes just need to prime them and stick them on.
Ive got 12 hawsers to drill and anchor area to sort, so not alot left to do asthetically externally.
I have stern deck section cut and ready and bow section is also ready. This isnt going to be as straight forward as it appears, im looking to have some fixed sections of deck and moveable areas on moveable areas lol.
Coming up to crunch time, ELECTRONICS i have a mixture of excitment and trepidation, as i have very little clue about it
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Hi Chris, I am another one watching that has said nothing to date, I think it is because you are doing such a good job of explaining all the steps as you go along. Keep up the good work, I for one will be following you right to the launching & beyond. A very interesting build overall. Mick B.
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Hi Chris, I am another one watching that has said nothing to date, I think it is because you are doing such a good job of explaining all the steps as you go along. Keep up the good work, I for one will be following you right to the launching & beyond. A very interesting build overall. Mick B.
Thanks, its nice to talk about things, sometimes its a bit lonely wittering on by oneself hahahahaha. Seriously thanks for saying hello.
Im just posting what ive done and what i might be doing next,
All running gear is sealed in, including bow thruster. Ive also been busy marking out below waterline welds/joints etc, ive aslo made 6 large fake anodes that run underneath. There is also about a dozen small anodes at the stern. Ive made 2 fins to act as the sonar sensors.
Ive also been working on finnishing the narrow strip on the top hull ( formerly the original deck height)
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Keep it up Chris
When it comes to the electronics there are more sparkys on this site with the expertise to set you right
even if they disagree at times.
Keep the log and the photos coming
Ned
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Hey - you work fast. It's less than a month since you first posted - Great progress.
At the risk of sounding thick - what are anodes on a ship? What do they look like?
I am actually moderately thick, but I just hate to sound it :embarrassed:
Dave ........... and I have actually started watching DC since watching this thread O0
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anodes are usualy bar,pear or circular shaped bits of zinc that re placed on a vessel to halt electolosis in being that they are softer than steel so eat away first
(http://www.trawlerpictures.net/uploads/gallery/album_348/gallery_8_363_1323700743_42761.jpg) you can see them unpainted on the anti fouled part of the hull and these are replaced yearly
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Interesting build Chris, one of our club members has a model of the Northwestern. I think he bought it as a kit when he was in America. Following your build with interest.
Brian
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Interesting build Chris, one of our club members has a model of the Northwestern. I think he bought it as a kit when he was in America. Following your build with interest.
Brian
Interesting, didnt know they did kits, before i started this project i searched and searched and found hee haw...nada, nothing remotely like the real thing. A guy Braak has made a timebandit and is also doing a Northwestern, its the closest so far but i think his wheelhouse is too big. I seen one made by an ex trawler guy on ship nostalgia that isnt like the real thing at all.
I would love to see a photo and more info if possible Brian :-))
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Hi Dave, some of the better car makers put anodes on bolts where wings attach to the body, it really stops corrosion, sad part is even bodyshops don't know they exist & don't install new ones when they do repairs. I am waiting to see more of your build Chris, are there actual anodes for model boats, I have never heard of any. I knew they put them on full size boats & ships though. Mick B.
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I am waiting to see more of your build Chris, are there actual anodes for model boats, I have never heard of any. I knew they put them on full size boats & ships though. Mick B.
Mick, unless you build a model with a steel hull and sail in salt water, you don't need the real (model) things. Plus they are designed to give protection to steel vessels immersed continuosly in the sea from one year to the next, not for a couple of hours on a Sunday, so no worries ! :-))
Mike
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Hi Dave, some of the better car makers put anodes on bolts where wings attach to the body, it really stops corrosion, sad part is even bodyshops don't know they exist & don't install new ones when they do repairs. I am waiting to see more of your build Chris, are there actual anodes for model boats, I have never heard of any. I knew they put them on full size boats & ships though. Mick B.
No they are imitation, it wouldnt be too hard to make real ones for models, as its just a sacraficial metal bolted on. However as MikeK stated its for steel/metal hull and salt water, not many metal models about and even then they are not in the water long.
The boat moving through the water creates friction and an electric charge, it is this that causes a corrosive reaction on the hull unless these weaker metal anodes are fixed. This works because because the charge follows the path of least resistance which will be the weaker anodes.
It is quite genius who ever thought of it :-)) saved trillions and 100's of thousands of boats.
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According to Wiki - Anode page, it was Sir Humphry Davy (a clever guy all round http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphry_Davy)
In 1824 to reduce the impact of this destructive electrolytic action on ships hulls, their fastenings and underwater equipment, the Victorian scientist-engineer Sir Humphry Davy, developed the first and still most widely used marine electrolysis protection system. Davy installed sacrificial anodes made from a more electrically reactive (less noble) metal attached to the vessel hull and electrically connected to form a cathodic protection circuit.
Dave
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Interesting, didnt know they did kits, before i started this project i searched and searched and found hee haw...nada, nothing remotely like the real thing. A guy Braak has made a timebandit and is also doing a Northwestern, its the closest so far but i think his wheelhouse is too big. I seen one made by an ex trawler guy on ship nostalgia that isnt like the real thing at all.
I would love to see a photo and more info if possible Brian :-))
I will try and get some info on this Chris
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I will try and get some info on this Chris
Good man, look forward to it O0 :-))
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The weather here in scotland has been on the cold side, so struggled to get much done with glues and epoxies etc. Ive set up a form of heating in the garage and have managed to do the framework for the deck ive already cut. Much like the hull supports many little pieces to be cut and glued together.
I have taken pictures, but there isnt a great deal to see, i have still been plodding away on it most days, just seems im floating about in different sections doing little bits. The hull below water just needs to be finnished with paint, bow thruster grills and to glue on the fake anodes and sonars. Ive done a fair bit on the hull above water, all holes have been drilled and cut including hawsers, the only hole to do is anchor.Much like the bilge keel, ive found the trim that was formerly the deck height a bit more difficult than anticipated, it is so thin in all directions but they are done, just the bow one to do.
It would be very easy to just paint the former deck line, also easy to paint the detailing for water escapes and tank in/outflows, but ive done it the hard way, in my mind im hoping it will give greater depth and realism to the model.
The deck water escapes and tank flows, i drilled out and cut to there shape, the tank flows are in line with the deck supports i put on earlier and i managed to drill and cut to a decent depth. Because these naturally lie close to the waterline, i prethought about how to tackle this as i dont want water coming in. The holes are sealed from the inside with resin, resin is also applied from the outside. ( havent tested yet)
The deck run offs, i will be sealing with clear plastic. Id love to have it all real, just cant afford water in about the electrics i just dont have the space for sealed tanks and water collectors.
Ill post pictures again at some point, just not a great deal to show that is different.
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Here is some photos, as ive said, ive jumped about a bit,
Stern view, with markings/ anode positions, bilge keels, main keel added prop shaft plumbed in and rudder,
(http://s8.postimage.org/hm01zz5sx/6803858967_a5718d67ed.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hm01zz5sx/)
Bow thruster and forward bulkhead in, first stage of deck support
(http://s16.postimage.org/pju74338h/6803901239_2398d95efb.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pju74338h/)
deck support, first stage old deck height, all deck water escapes cut out + tank in and out
(http://s18.postimage.org/mw1j23zn9/6803751767_be2a4d36ca.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/mw1j23zn9/)
deck support, first stage old deck height, all deck water escapes cut out + tank in and out
(http://s11.postimage.org/602gc52hb/6803721275_2c07c39fa9.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/602gc52hb/)
2nd stage deck assembly, all the fiddly bits, the deck has been cut already
(http://s7.postimage.org/ooq3r3ihj/6803874459_0c2105d63a.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ooq3r3ihj/)
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I would love to see a photo and more info if possible Brian :-))
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Hi Chris had a chat with one of club members regarding the Northwestern kit; it wasnt a kit after all.
It was a scratch build that he had done for his grandson that lives in America.
Regards Brian
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I would love to see a photo and more info if possible Brian :-))
Hi Chris had a chat with one of club members regarding the Northwestern kit; it wasnt a kit after all.
It was a scratch build that he had done for his grandson that lives in America.
Regards Brian
Dont suppose he would like to post a picture? thanks for replying Brian :-))
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More deck work, shame all the individual cuts and work will be hidden from the eye {-) it is strong and light exactly what i want for above waterline. I also placed on about 90 pots just to see what they looked like on.
the look is pretty good, they all fit well per real life, they will sit better once deck finnishing has been completed, the temporary deck had bows in etc, but ill post it up.
So i will be continuing with the bow deck next.
(http://s17.postimage.org/z0u0tw5m3/6819962353_93cc3aa800.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/z0u0tw5m3/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/5la5k0nbb/6819917745_c9a90130c2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5la5k0nbb/)
(http://s16.postimage.org/6sb6m0ztt/6819925957_1ccba93639.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6sb6m0ztt/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/iqz9d95jh/6819931961_6a48f9f57b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/iqz9d95jh/)
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She is looking great, I bet you are chuffed with her so far. By the time you have covered the pots with netting I guess they will be quite a heavy top hamper, much as in the full size - especially when you find a source for the scale cod that no doubt you will be baiting up with going on your attention to detail so far %)
Watched the episode the other night where it is all going pear shaped on the Cornelia Marie - very sad. I believe she is being missed out from the next series but the two brothers are crewing on the Wizard and Northwestern. Hopefully they will knock the youngest lad back on the straight and narrow.
Mike
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She is looking great, I bet you are chuffed with her so far. By the time you have covered the pots with netting I guess they will be quite a heavy top hamper, much as in the full size - especially when you find a source for the scale cod that no doubt you will be baiting up with going on your attention to detail so far %)
Watched the episode the other night where it is all going pear shaped on the Cornelia Marie - very sad. I believe she is being missed out from the next series but the two brothers are crewing on the Wizard and Northwestern. Hopefully they will knock the youngest lad back on the straight and narrow.
Mike
Thanks mike
Iam on the whole very pleased, obviously im still along way away, as the hull isnt even finnished, but its mostly cosmetic. The pots are actually very light, even with netting, rope and boys in, they would literaly blow off quite easy.
They are for me the only 50/50 thing so far. I spent alot of hours in the beginning making them, they are not quite right as they are too thick and the bars are square. They look the part from a distance. However im having a love hate relationship with them, sometimes i think aye they will do, then others its nah they wont do. I have a plan for others but thought it be prudent to work on the boat.
I am also planning to make other boats from the show, so i have played with the idea of putting those pots on the North American for example.
Yes the Cornelia Marie wont be on the show , im sure she is still working though, just doesnt have king and oppie quotas, so wont appear on the show. Begs the question if the young Harris boys are comitted to there 25% share in the boat or the fame of deadliest catch, maybe the boys were given an offer they couldnt refuse.
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I suppose you could make a few out of suitably sized soft wire formed around a scale block to get the shape & left open at the end so you could slide the block out. You don't have to have a full compliment on the stern, after all once she is working they are all on the sea bed, so just a few would get the right effect ?
Mike
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I suppose you could make a few out of suitably sized soft wire formed around a scale block to get the shape & left open at the end so you could slide the block out. You don't have to have a full compliment on the stern, after all once she is working they are all on the sea bed, so just a few would get the right effect ?
Mike
yeh pretty much, i use rebar tie wire quite often and have some in the shed, it would be perfect if i can get it to fix properly, its already naturally rusty so im not wanting to solder, im thinking glue epoxy maybe as it dries clear.
I havent even tried one, so itll be an experiment later on.
I would like the effect of having a full stack, also to be able to unload quickly, so what i thought was make 30 -50 then have some kind of frame where the 30-50 will be shown, inside the frame will be strong but hollow maybe has a hidden handle, even a weight on the bottom or magnets to keep in position. then have another few, full of crab etc for display on table. As im having a working crane it might be a nice touch to have a few that i can lift on. So i might actually end up with another 100, that would be fine as 250 is what she holds, but she stores alot in her tanks also, so they aint visible.
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yeh pretty much, i use rebar tie wire quite often and have some in the shed, it would be perfect if i can get it to fix properly, its already naturally rusty so im not wanting to solder, im thinking glue epoxy maybe as it dries clear.
I havent even tried one, so itll be an experiment later on.
I would like the effect of having a full stack, also to be able to unload quickly, so what i thought was make 30 -50 then have some kind of frame where the 30-50 will be shown, inside the frame will be strong but hollow maybe has a hidden handle, even a weight on the bottom or magnets to keep in position. then have another few, full of crab etc for display on table. As im having a working crane it might be a nice touch to have a few that i can lift on. So i might actually end up with another 100, that would be fine as 250 is what she holds, but she stores alot in her tanks also, so they aint visible.
Whoa ! you have opened a Pandora's box there ! It just gets bigger and bigger ! If you did end up making them from wire the clear epoxy could well end up as shiny specks everywhere. I have used some kind of epoxy that was black years ago and for the life of me cannot remember it's name. Still as you say there is still a lot to do on the hull before you get to the tiddly bits, so time to think of more solutions and I might remember that black stuff
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Devcon does a dark stuff which dries black and if you also add some very fine metal filings then it will rust to almost an invisible join
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Devcon does a dark stuff which dries black and if you also add some very fine metal filings then it will rust to almost an invisible join
That's the stuff !! I 'liberated' some from the engineers stores just before I packed in the sea. Thanks for saving me some brain wracking sir (or is it racking ?) :-))
Mike
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Thanks guys
so how about clear devcon and some rusty fillings. I have devcon 2ton, this is the stuff i invisioned to use :-))
black in my opinion would be slightly better than solder, it would still stick out i would have thought....its a lot better than solder though.
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Thanks guys
so how about clear devcon and some rusty fillings. I have devcon 2ton, this is the stuff i invisioned to use :-))
black in my opinion would be slightly better than solder, it would still stick out i would have thought....its a lot better than solder though.
If you have the Devcon already and can source the rusty fillings (friendly dentist ?) :D why not try a little blob and leave it outdoors to see if it rusts ? I have a suspicion that most of the filings would be sealed waterproof by the devcon. Only one way to find out .... O0
Mike
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If you have the Devcon already and can source the rusty fillings (friendly dentist ?) :D why not try a little blob and leave it outdoors to see if it rusts ? I have a suspicion that most of the filings would be sealed waterproof by the devcon. Only one way to find out .... O0
Mike
i could just paint the devcon, like ive done with the pots ive already made :-)), but from you guys response it seems gluing is an acceptable way to do it.
im still working on the bow decks, and mid decks.
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Let the iron filings lay in a tray with a drop of water for a few days and they will rust before they are used and can be used with any clear epoxy.
Ned
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Ive been busy working on the bow deck, although the smallest section of deck it is proving to be the most time consuming. It will have 2 removable sections and initially had a fair bit of head scratching as the best process going forward.
Im satisfied ive come to the best conclusion, not worth taking a picture of at the moment, but ill post a picture up soon before i start to fix down the permenant sections of deck.
The 2 removable sections allow great access to the bow section where the bow thruster is and the 6V battery will be, there will be a whole host of electrical work in there also.
A combination of Devcon 2ton and Gorilla glue has been used, with the cooler weather both have been very satisfactory in doing their job, I do give the newly glued work a few blasts of heat with a hair dryer. Gorilla glue has worked out very well for my framework, as with the expansion properties it pushes it all tight without really buckling and distorting, good clamps help also.
So iam hoping to have this fiddly section completed over the weekend.
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seems strange having not updated for a whole week, im feeling guilty of neglect lol
Ive been very busy this last week, with work that pays the bills so havent done a stroke on the Northwestern. Ill hopefully get some stuff done this weekend, ill be busy all next week too.
just thought id let anyone that is interested know, its not gone cold
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Ive taken the plunge and decided to make my first model boat
Hey Chris
Some plunge mate - you're allowed to come up for air.
Plus it's been proven that busy people are much more likely to achieve their objectives.
Stay busy O0
Dave
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Hey Chris
Some plunge mate - you're allowed to come up for air.
Plus it's been proven that busy people are much more likely to achieve their objectives.
Stay busy O0
Dave
Thanks Dave, i put in a lot of effort the last few months, as an amateur im probably a lot slower than others. I guess this is my air moment lol, it will be sailing by the summer %%
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So here is more photos, some subtle changes :-)
The hull detail is pretty much done, just hawsers to glue, and hole for anchor. The fake anodes are on as are the sonar's. Ive started putting internal rails along the deck walls.
The pin stripe lines are on to represent the steel plate joints on the bow particularly, ive also added in pencil the deck floors which are visible in a lot of photos. The idea is when i put the finnish paint on the lines will be faint but still visible hopefully adding real texture.
Detail on the starboard side is pretty much finnished, vertical pot protectors, and horizontal pot protector have been fixed. Im playing with the idea of a piece of metal between vertical protectors instead of paint.
The 3 piece moveable deck is cut and has one catch rail on, the fixed deck will have the other catch rail to keep it positioned. The forward moveable deck is an interesting project, and is time consuming the idea is this allows me full access to the bow, but also will support middle moveable deck, it will also have a small canteliever from the deck above, so cutting has to be good and measurements also ( yes there has been a bit of head scratching as i also need to work in the detail of bait fridge, door to galley etc.
Any feedback welcome
Deck work
(http://s14.postimage.org/tzlt0yrul/6780353668_eb61bf9fc6.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tzlt0yrul/)
Open plan deck with 3 moveable decks missing
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Moveable decks
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Port detailing
(http://s9.postimage.org/ia813ndzf/6780364000_f378c30c77.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ia813ndzf/)
Starboard detailing
(http://s10.postimage.org/t5osxp88l/6926482661_66f1cca9a7.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/t5osxp88l/)
Starboatd bow detail and pin striping, bow thruster cover also done
(http://s15.postimage.org/n2pbzkivb/6780367186_3429bf7975.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/n2pbzkivb/)
Port bow detailing, fake sonar recievers visible also
(http://s16.postimage.org/bzga7kr69/6780370948_b56c424368.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/bzga7kr69/)
Bow detailing, just anchor hole to do
(http://s10.postimage.org/psgkazenp/6780369692_d03284023c.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/psgkazenp/)
stern view, with fake anodes
(http://s18.postimage.org/aevbygiw5/6926489735_6709b1ef5c.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aevbygiw5/)
Full length view of starboard side
(http://s16.postimage.org/on9tpba8h/6926505653_1a768d8b2a.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/on9tpba8h/)
Full length view of port side
(http://s14.postimage.org/kftqojat9/6780389514_21a1fbfb36.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kftqojat9/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/
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Still looking very, very nice ! Looking at the latest pics, it looks as though the top of the rudder tube must be pretty close to the water line, Hopefully this is just my imagination and feel free to chuck imaginary bricks at me for suggesting such a thing. Better the imaginary bricks now than the 'oh s-it ! much later %%
regards
Mike
pls excuse the lots of 'looking' above {:-{
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Nice work. I'm jealous!
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Still looking very, very nice ! Looking at the latest pics, it looks as though the top of the rudder tube must be pretty close to the water line, Hopefully this is just my imagination and feel free to chuck imaginary bricks at me for suggesting such a thing. Better the imaginary bricks now than the 'oh s-it ! much later %%
regards
Mike
pls excuse the lots of 'looking' above {:-{
Yes Mike it is below the waterline at the moment, its actutally the full length of the tube i bought, as im trying to be as accurate as possible where the rudder is positioned to real life, its left me a bit short.
I need to fix an extension to the tube and the rudder itself, unless a good fill o grease would do {-) :o
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Ah that's a relief then ! no bricks incoming just now. O0 from a selfish point of view it's reassuring my eyes are not as cr-p as I feared !
I don't think generous amounts of grease would stop water getting past a rotating rudder shaft somehow and adding an extension with the same I/D will be fiddly - sleeving maybe ? Anyway, with the modelling skills you are showing with your first build, Chris I am sure you will find a way round it :-))
Mike
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any more updates chris.
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any more updates chris.
thanks for the interest
ive not had a lot of free time, these last few weeks, i have this week coming off so plan to hit it hard, as ill be away from home for 5 weeks. So ill update more
this week as i go :-))
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So ive had to re-register....never mind im sure others had to aswell. <:(
Still been very busy earning money far from home, i havent done as much as i would like. However !!!!!
seem to say it a lot but ive been doing a lot of work on the deck, its all fixed on and the hatches are nice and snug. Ive done some small bits to the wheelhouse, and before i bore through for the anchor hole, im making a small adjustment to the bow, basically 3/4mm shaving.
the moveable deck on the mezzanine is finnished, the bow deck is fixed permenantly
Ive had a frustrating time, i tried to seal up the scuppers with plastic which was fine, but looked crap so whipped them out tearing some finnishing work and paint in the process. The rubber strake i actually made out of silicone, was a good idea i thought, sadly i used the non paintable stuff gggrrrrrrrrrr.
So ive redone the strake with good stuff all pre plastic areas have been touched up, and other areas that i wasnt satisfied with sorted...
Ive finnished the exposed gunwhale strengthening and top rails, ive started work on the port work area (bait fridge, and bait prep area)
Im officially loving it again, at the start of the week it was close to getting a hammer at it...hahahha.
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Im officially loving it again
That's good news Chris - looking forward to some new pics when you get time. I didn't know you could paint silicone.
Hey don't forget your avatar - just helps seeing people on threads elsewhere - guess I'm just visually orientated
Dave
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ok here is some pics,
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/
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Thankfully my work away from home is coming to an end, so i can get this project moving again. ive not had time to do a great deal, just added some detail on the inside at the bow and some paint. The trim along the gunnels has been done and primed.
ive made a start also on the deck finnish which is planks for the stern area, and metal in the mid section.
Im also the proud owner of a few kits for the winter lol....fairmount alpine, aziz, smit rotterdam and samson 2, im looking forward to tackling these kits, as well all the parts are in the box.
The scratch build has taken its toll as there is no plan its all come from pictures and my head and sourcing of suitable materials has made it all abit slow its hard to believe where i was with this build just after christmas and how little it appears to have moved since. To be fair ive worked a lot in the last couple of months
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Cheer up Chris
It isn't a race and you have to work away too.
The build has been interesting to follow - love this
woodwork especially - wish I could do that with a
bit of tree :}
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:-)) Dave
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Thanks Norseman
So ive managed a few days of undisturbed work on the project, oh the joy
The first thing i did was paint the top of the gunnels Blue, woow!!!! what a difference it made perhaps you cant tell by the photos but in an instant it brought it to life, and appeared as if great progress had been achieved...
So a tip, if you lose your way on a build, maybe it looks like your getting no where, add a bit of paint it appears more finnished..lol
Ive made the hood/roof for the wheelhouse and painted it, it also brings the whole thing to life.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7211/7157557239_b6cc9c1ea7_z.jpg)
I made a start on the timber decking, which is all individualy cut
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7342763120_d97acd2447_z.jpg)
Finally some detail on the hatches, obviously it all looks new and ill give it a weather beaten look at the end
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8158/7157552927_2097b5e8b9_z.jpg)
I decided to have a punt and do some detailing at the operations area, added a few doors and a slightly different looking decked area, again this will need to be aged and a whole pile of other details to go yet.
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It's going to be a fine model - glad you had a few days of workshop joy - my bet is it was raining outside too.
Dave
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That's the beauty (or not !) of scratch building - hours of work and nothing appears to be happening, then hey presto a great leap forward %%
She's looking better and better Chris !
Mike
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Aye weather was poor Norseman
Mike it truly is amazing what a small touch of paint can do, it gave me such a surge of enthusiasm that is still lasting now,
ive finnished off the detail in the bait area, finnshed the detail on the metal part of the deck ( again needs to be weathered at a later date. Fixed and waterproofed my crane mount, the crane body is first coat painted, made my crane rigt and left swivel redy to be inserted, spent an hour or so drawing 2d plan of the crane jibs and associated detail ready to make into 3d.
first part of the mast is sized, the mount inbedded in the deck all positioned.
Ill load pictures later :-))
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Here is a picture of the mid deck detail and bait area.
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Ive masked and prepared for final white coat of paint
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Ive made a coiler and my own rope hawsers in and out. I finnished my crane drawings and have started to form it also
(http://s18.postimage.org/k3o9jlyg5/7415235010_0d5e626577_z.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/k3o9jlyg5/)
I just wasnt happy with my original wheelhouse, i left some of the protective film when i added the windows so i was painting happily over it, sadly there was some speckling that wouldnt come off, when it did it permanently misted the windows so ive made a new one and cut window trims as well
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/
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another update
ive added comparison photos also, just as reference as the camera angle and distance doesnt match the real pics,
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Want one whens the kit coming out :-))
coastie
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Ditto, have started saving my pocket money in hopes ! O0 :-))
Mike
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Looking great!! I love the comparison photos :-)) :-) :-))
Dave:)
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Brilliant!
Put me down for a kit as well
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amazing work. we have another truely talented modeller in our 'crew'.
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amazing work. we have another truely talented modeller in our 'crew'.
<:( <:( <:( Just what I needed - someone else very talented - spare a thought for the ham fisted like me O0
{-) Only kidding Chris (even though I am ham fisted) just love your work.
Dave
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Fists of ham and fingers of butter... thats me too! :D
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Fists of ham and fingers of butter... thats me too! :D
ah, but you have the saving grace of being kind hearted and helpful. I'm going to look for a build log and see if you tell fibs too ;D
Dave
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thanks for the encouragement guys
i dunno about talented, my eye for detail is alot better than my capabailities at the moment. Im only using the basic of the basic tools, jigsaw and stanley knife mainly. My wife got me a tool similar to a dremmel, woow that would have helped me a lot earlier in the build...its a handy piece of kit.
Im glad this build is still creating interest, as i was worried it was dying a bit.....call me a whoore if you will but i started posting on 5 forums or so, due to lack of interest im only posting on 2 :embarrassed:
* coughs * they are the best ones ;) :-)) :-)
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Hi Chris lack of tools no problem I made my first model krabbencutter with the very basic tool kit all I had was a stanley knife sharp bit for cutting and the handle as a hammer "xxxxx" to remember at times which end was which strangely enough I`ve just manged to bust the stanley after 31 years faithful service using it the correct way. as for the model long gone eldest son climbed behind the telly when he was 18 months and push it over and it unluckily bust the boat rather than the tv (rental) otherwise I`d have had to replace that
keep up the good work watching this thread like a hawk
coastie
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Fists of ham and fingers of butter... thats me too! :D
so i'm not alone in that department. :D
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thanks for the encouragement guys
i dunno about talented, my eye for detail is alot better than my capabailities at the moment. Im only using the basic of the basic tools, jigsaw and stanley knife mainly. My wife got me a tool similar to a dremmel, woow that would have helped me a lot earlier in the build...its a handy piece of kit.
Im glad this build is still creating interest, as i was worried it was dying a bit.....call me a whoore if you will but i started posting on 5 forums or so, due to lack of interest im only posting on 2 :embarrassed:
* coughs * they are the best ones ;) :-)) :-)
Yea I saw your postings on Ship Nostalgia Forum, but didn't make any remarks in case you thought I was stalking you ! %) :embarrassed: ok2
Mike
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Yeh Mike
ship nostalgia pittered out, however the main contributers were actually posting here or rc forums also, so i thought id disembark a few as discussion was non existant.
happy with any discussion even if percieved stalking lmao :police:
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Do Stalkers get so far north Chris?
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never seen any further north of liverpool or newcastle {-) lol
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Just look over your left shoulder right NOW ! heh, heh, fooled you :D :P
Mike
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hows progress going chris. no updates for a while.
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Ive not had a lot of time on it.
Ive added some graphics on the wheelhouse, stern and bow, all the detail on captain's quarters is finnished apart from liferings, ive added both sets of hydro controls for crane and some other details.
ive spent a while trying to get the mast and all associated bits ready, its quite time consuming given all the different thicknesses of materials .
cheers
Chris
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisgillespie1/sets/72157628647156587/
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looking good. :-))
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Just send it here {-) {-) {-)
coastie
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Hi Chris, I have followed your build from the start, you are doing a great job of it. I am looking forward to the launch day. If it is possible could you show more pictures of internal mechanicals & bridge details & also what working features do you plan on fitting ?. Mick B.
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Really impressive! :-))
And so good to see the earlier comparison photos. Very accurate indeed.
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Can't add more than has been said above ! She's looking great ! .......................................However ! that fence is in need of a fresh coat of preservative ! :} O0 {-)
Mike
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thanks guy's
Ah Mike..thats the wife's job, shes actually painting the other side at the moment <*<, the garage is also due to be replaced...all in good time :D
@ Irishcarguy, no internal workings yet.....lol its just an open plan void...well i have bow thruster in and i have made battery holders :-)) i am hoping to have a fully operational crane i.e at least 3 function, left and right, up and down, boom up and down...for the life of me dont think ill be able to have an extender boom as well / hook up and down.
im planning full arsenal of lights.....3 nav lights.....8 halogens.....7 large halogen/spotlights
i have a pump, im dithering as to include it or not, the real thing is quite a powerful site anthing resembling a pee would be naff....so im thinking about it i could put a kink in the pipe to make it more spray and forced looking.
The bridge/wheelhouse im hoping will have dials lit up etc...i have plans and layouts ready so as soon as the mast is finnished that is my next port of call.
The dual radars will be operational.........i think all that is more than enough for a noob like me ....;...lol......some of the above my fall by the wayside also if i find it difficult :embarrassed:
Chris
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Thanks for the reply,that is quite a list, I wonder if the show people would have an interest in your build when finished.I would send them some photos, you never know what bright idea they might come up with to use it in the show. Just a thought, and you are doing a bang up job, lovely model. Mick B.
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thanks guy's
Ah Mike..thats the wife's job, shes actually painting the other side at the moment <*<, the garage is also due to be replaced...all in good time :D
Now there's a man with his priorities in the right order :-)) Now, I dare you to show her this posting {-) <*<
Mike
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Hi Chris any updates of the NW
coastie
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not much to report coastie.
ive been busy doing payed work again, ive had a few goes at trying to master soldering...as this is the next mini project getting the mast and all its sections and bits sorted
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Thanks chris looking forward to the next installment
>>:-( %% :embarrassed:
coastie
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sorry to pester you but any updates
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Not a problem.
Amazingly when i need a bit of time to get on with the build, i become busier than ever with my "grown up" {-) job, ive literally been doing 6 and 7 days a week, and any spare time at nights has been eaten up by my wife and 3 kids under 7 %%
Im fully expecting to get back under way in the next few weeks :-))
thanks for the continued interest.
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cant wait for the next installment Chris
coastie
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i managed some time on the build this week,
however tuesday i spent much of the 6 hours re-familiarising myself with what i had cut and prep'd months ago....damm no easy task {-)
today i was working on the mast and derrick, i did cut some pieces months ago that were for this, they have gone walkies....no problem though worked out all the scale sizes cut and all are fixed into place.
i fixed on my home made hawsers.....well they were half bought, i made ears for them for inside the hull ( rope would normally be wrapped round them irl ) on the outside i hand made the hawser openings.
nothing worth talking a picture of, maybe over the weekend
weather up here is pretty wet, so i may have more days to cattle on....
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Nice to hear from you Chris and I'll await your pictures O0
Wet down here too.
Dave
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any more updates. :-))
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sorry didnt realise you had enquired.
i havent done much, as ive been busy sorting space in the garage, could not move ( very frustrating time ) lol......ive also been working on Maggie M as i needed some gluing therapy lol.
here is some pics of the mast and derrick :-))
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3701/dscn9052u.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/834/dscn9053m.jpg)
cheers
Chris
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Looks Great Chris. :-))
Thanks for posting an update.
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looking good Chris :-))
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This is looking so good! Soon time for Sig and Edgar to get onboard, lets go fishing!
Keep up the good work!
Hama
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Nice build Chris - well done on a great looking build :-))
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looks very authentic :-))
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Very nice model you have built! If you are interested in building scale crab pots the maybe you're interested in how I made them... ok2
I am building the FV Cornelia Marie in 1/32 scale.
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THIS link is to a pic of a boat very similar to the NORTHWESTERN my be before she was lengthened to be eligible for a bigger pot quot er
http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=141463&title=paragon&cat=609
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paragon and her sister ship "rainier" are very interesting vessels :-))
they are similar in shape but not built at the same shipyard as far as ive researched, there are literally dozens of northwestern hulls fishing out of dutch harbour...
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hello chris i've got 16dvd's from the first 3 series of deadliest catch which you are more than welcome to borrow if they could help you out in anyway
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thanks tattooed
i have over 600 pics of the northwestern so i should be ok :-)
cheers
Chris
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sorry chris but time to ask for any more updates on your build.
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Thanks hopeitfloats.
I havent done anything else on it. It is mostly detailing still to do, im using it as a prototype for dimensions and positions that can be replicated. Ive spent a huge chunk at the beginning of the year designing workable model drawings for the alaskan fleet, making plugs etc.
I just wanted a break from that genre, i have embarked up on a new small project, as i basically havent really done much of what i love doing making boats etc....
Whilst im still using my 1st northwestern build as a test prototype, ill not add anymore to it, until im satisfied with mouldings and working drawings etc.
cheers
Chris
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Hi this is my V2 Northwestern and a couple of others
The signage is just for indication purposes
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Here is a few others
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.443770989093784.1073741831.401185880018962&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.443770989093784.1073741831.401185880018962&type=1)
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Well you wont be very popular on here as hardly any of the members understand Face book let alone use it
Dave
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Its clicking a link....lol
Truth be told i did try and upload some more pics on here....but it just froze in the attachment area {:-{
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Fine looking hulls Chris :-))
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Its clicking a link....lol
Truth be told i did try and upload some more pics on here....but it just froze in the attachment area {:-{
:-))
Chris,
If you post your text, then go back in and modify your post, and add the attachments, the
photos will often upload with no issues the second time around.
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ok Umi will give it a try %%
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Works well Umi :-))
Strange having to do that everytime.....or does it depend on busy times with other users {:-{
ill try it again to make sure
The last picture, is allocated to others in the fleet, the small one is Maverick, next to Ramblin Rose, the ones nearest are Early Dawn and North American etc
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Not quite the same photo angle, but just for indication purposes
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Fantastic work Chris :-))
will you be selling them as a semi or full kit
I would have to go for a time bandit hull when you have them ready for sale
Regards Jason
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Thanks Jason
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you´re make a very good job, keep up the good work Mr.Gillespie :-)) :-)) :-))
Regards. Brian..
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Been building a distillery in the western isles, so not alot of time spent developing
but here is some fitting prototypes
The pot hauler isnt quite finnished some bolt details still to be added
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Its been a while, as most know I had a set back or two...and it has taken a while for the pain to remove its self from the proverbial goolies :embarrassed:
So with some sense of a rejuvenated phoenix.... I pulled my first hull from the mould, I have much damage to claw back but one bit at a time
Thanks for all your continued interest, pm's and messages of encouragement and support :-))
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Good to see you're back at it Chris. :-))
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Thanks turbo
It feels good to have the wind in the sails again :-)
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Exciting day today, I took the Northwestern for her first sea trials, it went really well tried a couple of motors and now know which ones are best....apologies for the picture quality as the phone camera didn't like overcast day for some reason :)
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Hi Guys from downunder,
I'm just trying to get back to my boats after a long break while I was totally involved in running my model manufacturing business here in Aust.
When I started with my 1:24 Scratch built Tug, Iron Cove, back in 1982 ( and she's still in working order ) I chose to use a 12v Car Heater fan motor, the origins I can't quite remember, although I'm thinking Ford Falcon. It's around 75mm diam and and has tons of guts!
These motors are smooth running and are not real hungry for amps if run at higher speeds with a belt drive reduction. The Iron Cove runs a 6" x 4 blade home made prop, and is easily capable of towing a dinghy with human passengers aboard.
I make my own pulleys, generally out of either aluminium, or Acrylic ( perspex ), and turn a half round groove which accommodates either Std 1/4 inch "O" rings or ideally Redthane belting which is a polyurethane round hollow section and uses aluminium joiner studs. It lasts forever, as it doesn't perish like the ordinary " O " rings. And you make it any length you want!
Where I started to go with this, was that I also use motors from 12v Electric Car radio aerials which are cheap to locate and are more industrial than a lot of the off the shelf high speed asian built ones.
One of the best motors I ever came across are the 12v Bosch 12 pole heater fan motors out of our early series Holden Commodores, read Opel Senator, from the early 80's. Just so smooth and efficient, and I have a pair mounted in my unfinished 1:24 Sirius Cove.
If anybody wants any further info, just ask. I can't talk about RPMs and stuff, but what I do works!
Ian.
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Very interesting Ian
I have had a ton of people offer advice about car motors, for this and that....that is great if it was a one off, I have had to seriously look at what will work best for the boat incase I need to offer the advice to others..
My experiments worked really well, I am really pleased with the caldercraft 900, it is the one that is used in the photos, the full length shot seems perfect with the wash at the bow about the correct height and the wake all looks really good. It is really really quiet aswell.
The mfa 800, also worked really well, it has a bit more grunt if needed ( it does rev 2000 higher, and is noisier )
I would plump for the caldercraft, but the 800 would also do.... 55mm prop
Job done.....
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We will be moving into a larger and hopefully more secure building than the last one within the next 2 weeks
It means I will have the space to start moulding.
For those that haven't expressed a genuine interest or reserved a moulding please pm
Cheers
Chris
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a long time since I came across this thread. did you finish the northwestern chris. any photos if you have.
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Interesting reading my last post
That new premises didn't work out either...... It really was a soap opera of obstacles ( kind of like maybe the NW guys had cast a spell or something ) {-) {-) %%
As far as i am concerned i served a tough apprenticeship on her, out of respect we have left each other a lone for now....We will finish when the urge suits us...right now i have been more concerned enjoying model boating and being careful not to make the same health mistakes in the past
I have included a picture of where she is, always looking down... :-))
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beautiful workmanship. :-)) looks like its not far off being finished