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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: wombat on March 29, 2007, 10:09:54 pm

Title: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on March 29, 2007, 10:09:54 pm
Well here is the next project - a Mountfleet Highlander. I have been working on this now for about 3 months on and off.

It has been a mixed bag so far - I have mixed feelings about the kit - the quality seems variable to say the least. I am not sure how I am supposed to make the pulleys on either side of the winch for example. I have asked Mountfleet about these and I have been assured the material is there but how the heck I am supposed to make them without a lathe, I don't know.

The paint on the superstructure is the "Vermin Brown"  Citadel paint mentioned on another thread, airbrushed onto the fibreglass.

Here are some piccies anyhow

Tim the Wombat




Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: catengineman on March 30, 2007, 11:48:18 am
Hi, Wombat  Nice build so far

 I think I may try one of these Puffers especially if they come complete with lunch inside ;D

Richard
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 30, 2007, 04:15:31 pm

3 months?!?!? - you should have only opened the box at this stage!  ::)

Martin.
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: DickyD on March 30, 2007, 04:28:46 pm

3 months?!?!? - you should have only opened the box at this stage!  ::)

Martin.

Are you sure you got that far in 3 months Martin ?? ;D

Richard ;)
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: chingdevil on April 03, 2007, 03:07:05 pm
3 Months
I am a year on with my Sealight and still do not have the hull painted :'( :'( :'(

The other Brian
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 15, 2007, 02:47:31 pm
Since I am not supposed to have done much more than open the box so far, please feel free to ignore the following pictures.

I think that apart fom the winch, most of the sticky bits have been done. The planked sections of the deck have been done. I used B&Q outdoor woodstain for this (Satin Mahogony) - to get this depth of colour there are about 6 coats to get a nice even colour. The mast for the derrick has had about 10 coats so far and it has just about hidden the horrible grain of the dowel. Will have to do the same with the boom.

The ships boat is now complete apart from a few little bits of touch-up (particualry the rowlocks) and a final matt seal.

The Superstructure is coming on and the funnel and water tanks are complete - I am relying more and more on the citadel colour - it is very good if a little pricey. I am prticularly impressed with the staff in the Burton branch of Games Workshop - good advice on how to do the rust effects. I have done this on the steps fo the cabin.

The fit-out of the hull is in progress - the motor is in and I have mounted the steering servo (well duh!). The pipework is the unused dummy bow thruster from Aziz - it fits nicely into the funnel on the superstructure. The Old Smokey will plug into the other end with a it of vaseline to seal it. I am wondering about putting a hole inot the case of the "OS" for a filler-tube come water level gauge.

The Cargo hatch is in progress - it is basically built but needs a cutout for the cargo - I am thinking of a thin layer of coal and a chamber with space for a few "duty-free" bottles of whisky.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 17, 2007, 07:14:59 pm

3 months?!?!? - you should have only opened the box at this stage!  ::)

Martin.


by 3 months My last project had been in the water 18 times at least, took just 2 weeks to build.  see the Celestia thread in RC Groups and here on mayhem
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 20, 2007, 11:26:56 pm
Well I guess another three months or so to finish......

Big problem - the Torpedo 500 I picked up at Leamington Spa is crap - it is really noisy and vibrates like anything - it is not alignment before anyone asks, checked that. You hit a resonance about half speed and that really shakes everything.

So what motor does anyone recommend - I want direct drive for preference to minimise the re-work. Preferably a ball-raced motor. It has to swing a Raboesch 65mm 4 blade brass prop.

Cheers

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 21, 2007, 12:03:43 am
That is a big prop, it will have to turn slowly, what voltage you running on?

Bob
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 21, 2007, 10:16:47 am
12V from a 7AH SLA

I was wondering about a "Graupner Speed 720 Torque BB" - this gives about 4000RPM

Whatever, I want something that doesn't spin too fast - or if it does has a decent gearbox and a balanced armature - I think this is the problem with the Torpedo 500 at the moment - the vibration you get just spinning the motor is bad. Then you hit a resonance in the mounting which uses the hull as a sounding board.......

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 21, 2007, 10:57:36 am
Model Motors Direct do some superb 11 pole motors that spin sub 3000 rpm and hardly draw any current, try Alistaire there.

Bob
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 21, 2007, 10:13:39 pm
Thanks Bob, will look into that.

Anyone else got any suggestions?

In the mean time I have got the "Old Smokey" up and running - toying with putting some LEDs into the funnel for the night time - light up the smoke.....

Also got the hatch done apart from the locking wedges, which I may not bother with. There is a load of coal to cover the costs and a little bit of smuggle about to be unloaded to make up the profits.

Wom

Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 21, 2007, 10:47:38 pm
That prop has a lot of pitch, you could try a prop with less pitch.

Bob
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Bob on April 22, 2007, 02:32:28 am
Hi there Wombat,

I fitted a MFA/MiniDrill motor 6vDC with 2.5:1 reduction swinging a 45mm four blade prop and my 600mm ship trundel along just nice. Scratch built from a MB SKYLIGHT drawing.

Bob
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 22, 2007, 08:42:58 am
Hi Bob'n'Bob,

The prop is a bog-standard Raboesch jobbie - I don't recall there being an option for pitch, only for diameter, though it is intended for scale use. It does seem to match the pitch of the white metal one provided in the kit. TBH, I haven't had the thing in the water yet, I was concerned, however with the noise and vibration intrinsic in the motor.

Nice build, Bob, I'm not quite up to scratch building something like that yet.....maybe one day.

I have used the MFA/Como motors in Aziz, but they do seem very noisy, which was why I was looking for something ball-raced and possibly direct drive - preferably slower revving too.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Tug Man on April 22, 2007, 03:13:16 pm
Wombat have you thought about going belt drive?

Don
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 23, 2007, 01:21:31 pm
Hi Don,

looked at it, but it seems very expensive - the MFA units are the thick end of sixty quid plus coupling. Certainly, I would not want to put in my own belt drive assembly because I could not guarantee the accuracy of the installation because of my limited machining facilities.

Does anyone have any experince with the MFA 800s?

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Tug Man on April 23, 2007, 01:56:27 pm
Hi Wombat,
 I was able to find pulleys that matched my shaft diameters of the stuffing box and motor. I ordered a couple size belts not knowing for sure which I would need. I was able to buy them for under $20. It takes some time and can get confusing ( to me anyways ) but it was worth it. I mounted the motor to a heavy aluminum mount. It seems to run fine.

Don
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 23, 2007, 03:08:21 pm
Try Model Motors Direct, these are the motors Alistaire specialises in.
I got a 11 pole motor that runs 3000 rpm max and pulls milliamps, about 20 I think.
Very quiet, very smooth and battery lasts forever.

Bob
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on April 23, 2007, 08:29:32 pm
Hi Bob,

Got any contact details - can't seem to find them on the web

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: funtimefrankie on April 23, 2007, 08:39:51 pm
Hi Bob,

Got any contact details - can't seem to find them on the web

Wom
No website but you can ring him on 01747 812440  (Mon -Fri between 9-10am best)  it says!
He's in Dorset.
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 07, 2007, 09:36:50 am
Hi All,

The motor has gone onto the back-burner for a little while - I have a few options kicking around, such as the new motors from Mobile Marine, but I am getting on with other things.

So far things are moving quite quickly - quicker than I expected anyway......

I have finished the "honey hut" complete with the low maintenance liveware assisted waste management system: the bucket is on a rope to make it easier to rinse out. Also a catering pack of scratchy loo roll nicked from the harbourmaster's office because it doesn't go as soggy as newspapaer if things get rough. The door is on now and the hut is on the boat.

As you can see the mast, companionway, railings and kharzi are all in place. The boom is about ready to go on, but the next stage of the process is to get the main cabin done. Biggest problem here are the Nav lights - the castings are very poor - they are out of true, covered in blobs and large lumps and the lamp parts have voids and shortages on the casting.  I am tempted to chuck them and buy something in.

Ah well this is where we  are:

Wom


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Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: taxi on May 07, 2007, 11:48:46 am
A toilet seat!!!   That puffer must have some royalty on board or other vip,   whatever hapened to the 5 gallon bucket with rubber hose round rim?
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 07, 2007, 01:49:04 pm
Well, let's just say that it is not just the bog-roll that is missing from the harbourmaster's personal crap-house. The laternatives were an unfeasibly large hole or splinters, both options were not going to be tolerated by the crew.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: taxi on May 07, 2007, 05:14:57 pm
I meant to say 5 gallon oil drum instead.    Quite fancy building one of those puffers after I saw this one named after an old boss. http://haaf.clydesite.co.uk/pbimages/Pibroch.pdf             Looks good.
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 27, 2007, 05:48:31 pm
I know that I should have been at the Mayhem Weekend - but I hadn't got round to building the Springer. Well, five months into the build and it is pretty much finished. Only things left to do are to put in the Saso posts, paint up the crew (and a couple of seagulls) and weather the thing up a bit.

I have dropped the missing winder druns from the winch, so it looks a little different from the design. So no need to turn one up from something or other.

The rigging was done with cord picked up from a model shop rather than the stiff that came with the kit as it seemed to have a very loose wind. This matches up with thew thinner stuff I used for the stays on the funnel.

The final sum up of the kit is that it is a very mixed bag....an attractive kit but I have to say that it seems to be seriously flawed in some ways - the manual and the plans are of limited use - difficult to read and with errors in them. There are some errors in the marking of the printed parts and some of the white metal fittings seem very poor.

Wom


Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Daryl on May 27, 2007, 06:41:20 pm
Nice model, you have done a grand job. I sympathise with the problems you have encountered, my son and I are having similar problems with the Calderdraft version.

A job well done, I bet it looks good on the water.

Daryl
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 27, 2007, 06:49:17 pm
Hi Daryl,

Thanks for the comments - it has not been on the water yet, well apart from in the bathtub to ballast it and balance it. Putting the ballast in has quietend things down a lot - seems much of the noise is resonance in the hull. I have also put in  Robbe 755/40 motor which gives a more reasonable performance.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 27, 2007, 06:59:13 pm
Love the colour scheme, nice and cheerful.

Martin.
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 27, 2007, 10:01:53 pm
Thanks Martin,

The grey was used for the winches on Aziz, while the red of the funnel was the left over paint used for its hull. The brown, I think I have already mentioned is Citadel "Vermin Brown". I tried a sand tone which looked like diahorrea and a yellow which refused to go on smoothly and was chucked - first time I had used the b****y stuff as well, thank you Mr Revell.

I wonder how to weather it - the hatch area is OK, but I think I will need to extend that staining over the walkways. Also, I don't have a clue where to  put the rust yet.

I have started on the scenery - here are the gulls for the mast and roof

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on May 27, 2007, 10:11:47 pm


I like it very much.  Up to your great standard  (as usual, Wombat)

Regards   
Ken
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: tigertiger on May 28, 2007, 03:31:19 am
The toilet needs weathering, it is pristine. ;)

Every crapper I have been in was less than white, especially the floor with boot scuffs at the very least.  :D ;)


Joking apart.
Very nice looking boat Wombat.

When you do the weathering, can we have some pics please.
There is very little written about weathierng, and a picture paints a thousand words.
A new thread might be one option, then others can add to it.

I would be very grateful if you could do this.
TT
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 28, 2007, 09:14:41 am
Hi TigerTiger,

Yes I will open up a thread on weathering. Everywhere needs lots of boot-scuffs, it is far too tidy at the monent. I guess also lots of colour washes. The boat is very clean, because probably mistakenly, I thought a clean boat would be a good place to start for the weathering. At least then if it goes wrong you have a clean reference to wind back to. Also, I can manage odd bits of dirtying up, but how to correctly weather the thing, I have no a clue - I suspect rust in all the joints on the hull, but I will need help to get it right.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 31, 2007, 08:07:22 pm
OK, here are the last tranche of pictures before I start on the weathering - and the inaugural sail (I hope the weather is good this weekend). First three pictures are of the boat, while the rest are the crew. You can't see it but one off the seagulls is perching on the button of the mast. I have got the samson posts in and all the last little bits. I have not bothered with the builder's ladder - though I will hang onto the bits for it in case I change my mind.

Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on May 31, 2007, 08:10:11 pm
Here is the crew in place and ready to go. I dumped the stickers provided in the kit - to me they looked to "industrial" and seemed to be far too chunky for the boat.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: gribeauval on May 31, 2007, 09:12:39 pm
So that's where the crew from HMS Troutbridge went when they left the Navy Lark!!!!!
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: dougal99 on June 01, 2007, 04:26:52 pm
Gribeauval

Tune in to BBC Radio 7, despite Sub Lieutenant Phillips navigating, Troutbridge et al are still going strong alongside the Goons and Round The Horn. Classic stuff. Those were the days  :)

Doug
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: gribeauval on June 01, 2007, 07:21:16 pm
Gribeauval

Tune in to BBC Radio 7, despite Sub Lieutenant Phillips navigating, Troutbridge et al are still going strong alongside the Goons and Round The Horn. Classic stuff. Those were the days  :)

Doug

I usually do mate!! I have it runing via broadband whilst I am browsing the net.  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on June 03, 2007, 08:27:24 pm
Well all,

took it out on the water today - very impressed, it moves faster than the Aziz and turns better, though with the Robbe motor the top speed is rather more than scale, it doesn't get onto the plane but it does shift. It turns quite tightly on full throttle.

The motor is very quiet on the water - you only get a little bit of whine on low throttle before the motor starts spinning properly. The Old Smokey is quite effective, though the water I put in was too warm and it took a while to get going.

Wom
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on June 03, 2007, 08:28:15 pm
And the last two
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Willit on June 09, 2007, 11:24:05 pm
now that is a tight turn!
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 10, 2007, 12:55:22 am
Looks great, wish I had one!  ::)
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: tigertiger on June 10, 2007, 03:56:11 am
really nice
love the smoke
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: granpal on June 16, 2007, 01:36:07 pm
Wombat, How did you mix the Citadel paint for airbrushing. It is now available over here (Canada) at my local hobby shop, but there are no instructions as to mixing for use with an airbrush...Just received my "Another Clyde Puffer" from Mountfleet Models. ??? ???
Title: Re: Another Highlander
Post by: wombat on June 16, 2007, 07:02:57 pm
I mixed it 50:50 with tap water. Sparying, you have to put it on in thin coats and build up slowly - don't try to do it all in one go. I went over the hull with about five coats allowing a few minutes drying between each. I sprayed onto Citadel skull white primer.

Wom