Kendal , We have to think of the original concept first I think. Maybe an argument for a "Standard" Springer and an "Unlimited" class or "Experimental" class later. The basic , anybody can build one of those, is the reason for the popularity of the Springer as a fun boat. More expense, complication and the emergence of an elite. How long before a Hydrofoil Springer arrives on the scene, then a large-scale version, then a manned one ! The trick is the superstructure and what weird, scale(ish) or humourus versions of "real" boats or ships we can add to the basic hull. I might try an RO 1/24 Springvincible ! Lets keep it even for all builders I(http://[img][img][img])[/img][/img][/img] say. Anyway if we get a team together in our club (Cairngorm MFC) we will challenge an English team to a polo match or duck round-up or whatever in the first Springer International match(Standard boats). Date of our Splash-in is 8-9th Sept.,07. Venue; Loch Insh, near Aviemore. Return match your place , your date next year. Are you in or near Kendal ? How about during one of the waterplane events in the Lake District or The Steamboat Museum boat events ? A final thought, I would like to call all the ones Scottish "MacSpringers" so any ideas for the definitive English one ?
Too bad about the move Clive , I hope it was for money !
Rules wise I am in agreement with the US rudder system so that is OK with me. 7.2v works well for me as an ex 1/10 buggy racer and currently a collector of them.
hey toes
leave it to the british to mess up a simple usa build :P
Toesupwa (what a strange handle.....)
Try this link for SLA's:
http://www.component-shop.co.uk/html/lead-acid.html
The company is Welsh but I think they'll supply the English as well (I'm not sure about the USA, though).
Toesup... and its not a strange handle from where i am sitting ;)
Wombat
Have you got your hull lines drawing in CAD format (eg DWG or DXF)? If so, any chance of a copy of the file?
FLJ (No relation to Mr ArmouredDinnerJacket)
Thanks, do you have it in Gaelic ?
OOOOh you are awful, but nope. Tartan ?Thanks, do you have it in Gaelic ?
No but I can do it in pink if you like
....as there is not much information out there for building these tugs.
No clues to your topsides Kendal ? Heavyweight glass-cloth ? Keep the pics coming.
HI ARROW 5
I GOT MINE UP AND RUNNING AND TOOK IT TO BALNE ON SUNDAY , ENTRED IT IN SINGLE TOW CLEAR ROUND FIRST PLACE ! HOWS THAT. ;D I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE TOP ,SO IT HAD AN OIL BARREL WITH THE CREW INSIDE
IT HANDELS BRILL.
SEE YOU IN MAY CHEERS STEVE J.
What rules are we going to be using for springers around here. I personally think we make them as simple as possible . ie. single prop of a set size (38mm 3 blade), a single rudder of set size (4sq inches), no korts of any type, superstructure of set minimum (4"x4"). Max voltage of 7.2v, 540 3 or 5 pole motors, no gearing allowed, hull size ar per the american design.....
.......
Having two classes of springer restricted and unrestricted also complicates the issue.
I have a build query regarding the Springer Tugs. These tugs sit really low in the water and in some cases ship water over the deck. Sitting this low will I get a problem with water coming up the rudder tube. I have seen an American plan for a Springer Limited Class and they talk about putting a stuffing box on top of the rudder tube. I really do not want my tug emulating a sub.
Any thoughts on this.
The other Brian
Sitting this low will I get a problem with water coming up the rudder tube.
Question for Toesupwa, I have two different drawings to build a springer and neither have a waterline marked on them. I have marked mine using the US photos as a guide. Subsequently it sits very low in the water. Where can I see some model drawings with the waterline on?
Clive :)
Re: Motor rules.
Any Single motor you like - up to 540/550 / Speed 600.
Voltage - up to 7.2v
ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!
You can fit steam if you wish, jet turbines also allowed no IC or Diesel engines or Pulse Jets ::)
I have got the following ballast:-
6v 4ah SLA (Main Drive)
2 off 6v 2ah (just for weight)
slab of lead (4x2 inches and 3/8 thick)
and a rechargeable flight pack for the radio gear. And still not near waterline. That will teach me to build it light in Balsa and fibreglass ;D
Me and dad are building one each but you will have to wait untill the Mayhem weekend to see them. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hannah.
Oil drums from Hunter Systems (1/24th-ish) item# GRM003 , £1.50 pair. 24 Aspen Road, Eastbourne , east Sussex. BN22 0TG . tel.01323 503336. www.huntersystems.co.uk What are they for Clive....?
No mention of the two 'Arms' at the bow for holding a ball (or locate and catch one)
Do these have to protrude permanently or hinge upwards in any way ?
Just an armchair designer at the moment. ;D
Cheers...Ken
No mention of the two 'Arms' at the bow for holding a ball (or locate and catch one)
Do these have to protrude permanently or hinge upwards in any way ?
I think you'd need a strong stomach to sail on one of these, and some dry clothes for after.
"Sprinkler" fireboat hits the water on MacPuffer`s still engine-less hull. Must flash the plastic soon :(
Thanks Toesies ;D. It is a bit quiet in here...everybody busy sailing or building during this hot Spring period here in UK ? Any new Anglo-Springers?
I'm building a Fireboat Springer - a Sprinkler! ;D
Bah ..copy cat, I`ll just have call mine "Skoosher" then >:(. Have a look at Umi`s on the "other place" (under Voight-Schnieder available in Dock Talk). An inspiration and a tour de force, LA Fireboat 2, talented lady. Wondering about squirting water, any ideas for novice, windscreen washers , needs 12v ?
Wondering about squirting water, any ideas for novice, windscreen washers , needs 12v ?
I'm building a Fireboat Springer - a Sprinkler! ;D
Here's mine in the style of a British Waterways Bantam tug......
In order to reduce submarining tendencies at full chat, how about a wing on the end of the skeg to prevent the stern lifting? If it's fixed, it's not a rudder, and indeed if you used twin rudders it could be a rudder post end support bracket and not a wing at all, oh dear me no.How about the bar that comes out from the keel to the bottom of the rudder, is anybody fitting them ? This could be the place to put "wings" or plates to stop the ploughing. I get the feeling some folk have forgotten the concept of a tug. If you want to go fast dont build a flat-sided pudding bowl. Or build a top that looks like the sail/conning tower of an Akula and charge full speed till it acts like a submarine on purpose ;D Hey good start killit, keep us informed when you next raid the parts-bin. BTW , I`d reduce the mass of the rear midship cross-brace if it isnt too late. Knock that one out and replace it with full depth ply same as hull-side to make a water-tight open top box. Keep weight down low. Are you going to support the prop shaft ?
Any thoughts on Tobyker`s (and my ) idea about extensions on rear end mods, if you know what I mean,skegs, plates etc. or should we just accept the limitations of the design. There is always the throttle control !
Oh... by the way.. the high volume toesup boat werks division is hard at work.. ;)Obviously aimed at the export market :o I hope the winglets ideas all die a natural death...what is the old saying about making a silk purse out of a pig`s ear. I much prefer detailing or imaginative style of craft and fun fun fun. Leave the super-tweaks to the hydroplane guys and F1 types. JMHO. Tut tut Toes "Union Jack"......only when it is flown on the Jackstaff otherwise Union Flag. Which may be out of date soon in view of the recent parliamentary elections where the Scottish National Party won a majority. Home rule next ? Independence ? "FREEDOM" as a famous Aussie film star shouted in a comedy film on the subject. John Paul Jones should have stayed at home, WE need a navy too. Hmmmm how did I get here , so far off topic...dont answer that ! Back on topic; Kendal I`m old enough to remember 6 volt systems in cars and vacuum driven winscreen-wipers, even starting handles, handy for winding the car out of a ditch !
Think I will have a go at one. I cant get to the Mayhem weekend, I have to work, so maybe a consolation buld next time on nights is in order!Something local perhaps, military, naval, Thames, Mersey, Clyde, Tyne. Or Continental , Rhine , even a....Venetian dust-cart ! My mate is thinking about an "Amphicar", not amphibious but with dummy wheels just stuck on ! He`s scouring the boot-sales for a large car body as we speak, oh dear a step too far methinks but anything goes. More pics , let us see what we`ve got so far.
I am using up whats left of the grey cells to try and come up with a unique superstructure at the moment - no luck yet!
Ian
How about cutting the rear brace just inboard of the pins to leave two blocks to support your full depth bulkhead, (ie remove about 80% of the weight.) Good you supported the prop-tube, couldn't see any in pics, external skeg will help with straight-line tracking I think. Waiting to see your top , some freelance "scale" details perhaps ? More pics please. Any more Springers in the pipeline ???????
Yep Willit, looking good. Maybe raise the bow with a block of wood like the Yank pushers with Knees for pushing, even if not on the BW Bantam it should cut down the chances of bow-wave spilling over deck when charging ! I`d think about reducing the height of the superstructure a wee bit too to reduce "wind effects", 1.5inch/4 cm should help. Plenty of "scale" bits in old junked toy trucks and cars for exhausts and lights, tyres for fenders, check the kids next door ! Look forward to the paintwork.
Arrow5Correct, that is why I mentioned it, very English livery. You`ll have to get in a stock of Irn Bru when the MacSpringers invade Englishland ::)
We supply Robinsons soft drinks there ;D
The other Brian
Hi all,
well here she is, painted and ready to be wired up ready for sailing
I'm getting on like a house on fire.
It's going so well, I thought I might as well make two. :D
hope someone takes lots of pics of the 'events'...
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...
The 'Devil' made me do it.. :-X Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...
The 'Devil' made me do it.. :-X Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?
OK in a double-ended X2 size...ah, well maybe not. Nice bit of craftsmanship in wheel-house. BTW I`ve had major meltdown of computer,hence silence. More MacS lids and a hull for Sprinkler(with spare lid for it of course !)The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...
The 'Devil' made me do it.. :-X Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?
I DID consider a Voith schneider Arrow... but getting it in a Springer.. "yeah, riiiiiight".. :P
Arrrrrh me Luvs me pirates...
Just a beginning and hope to be on the water Plundering in a week or so..
.. with the MP3 player.. playing "Yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me..."
Ching; I forgot to say the propshaft is at zero degrees, i.e. parallel to the deck.
Ed
Have you got a black beard ?
"Vader" world's first stealth Springer!
Is the top of one of those kits plastic bath boats?
How did you get the paint to stick?!?!?
Martin.
Interested in details of water cannon.
Blimey! tell me these springer are not coming to next years weekend might have to build one out of Kevlar plate just to survive a game of football ;D ;D ;D.
Ed the springers get enough water over their decks now any more pumped on and the opposition will need bilge pumps to keep afloat, or is that the idea ;) ;) ;)
The other Brian
"NOBBY" the springer's first outing ;D
..or a Mississippi type stern wheeler with freewheeling paddle-wheel.
Verrrry nice Toes,... Is she based on a real one ?
So has Mrs toes checked her trinket-box for chains recently ? I`m trying to persuade my wife to invest in dull grey or black items of jewelry, even rust colour I believe is fashionable....pass it on ;)
Of course we should point out the fact the wee fella got a much better score than his daddy did ! ;DAha, but we want to know ..was he pushed or did he fall in ? I think it wis the big yin that he hammered in the football game. Wee johnny, ahead of his faithers footsteps already !
The Towboat Gallery is just that "Towboats". We mustn`t confuse the Springer with any old towboat, although "Little Toot" would be a cinche for a scale Springer-like towboat. As I said in an early post a Springer is a specific class of boat with dimensions, power, prop size all specified. The appealing aspect of the Springer is that from the waterline up you can make any superstructure you fancy. Towboats are the inspiration and a great source of shapes, I hope we dont fall into the trap of calling all pusher tugs Springers. Sorry to sound pedantic but we do have US readers and it could cause confusion.
Well Toesupa it looks and smells like a real Springer, but I am not so sure ;D ;D
Nice looking model, does the Kort nozzle make it more maneuverable than a springer with a standard rudder, only my one will turn virtually turn on itself.
The other Brian
Its a Springer... honest Mister :-*
...Hi Arrow5...
What motor do you use in your Springers ? ...Or what motor would you recommend ? ....I can run on 6 or 12 volts...
Also what is the correct waterline on a Springer...I noticed that Johnny,s boat sat a bit higher in the water than Steve Jones,s boat...If you could give me the correct measurment from the Deckline down to the Waterline I could alter it if required...I have made Johhny,s boat with a rise on the deck of 12mm from stern to bow...
Thanks Toes nice pic....any silverware from SF event?
[The Can) here that looks like its been built on Mobile Marines Gerhard hull
MY springer tug , in styreno.
ppsailor :)(http://[img])[/img]
Toes; that might mean solid expanded polystyrene foam block ? My Spanish is limited to what I picked up from cowboy movies but I think the name is "River Mule" ? Good name if that is correct. PPSailor, where are you Jose ? Is the forward upward slope on bow added to the standard Springer hull ? Any more details, what is the roller device on bow ?
For those of you wondering how tight Scoot turns ;D you might want to have a look at this..
http://media.putfile.com/Scoot-the-Springer
:o :o :o
Been at in laws 40th in Abergaveneneneyeneyyy (Welsh). Very , very drunk.
Mogs
Justbeen having a think about putting a brushless in it just 4 a laugh but am still undecided. One question i will ask everyone is do they need a skeg on ????? or could i just use a P bracket to support the prop tube.
My Springer has an all up weight of 3.85kg..
I did not realise I had such a heavy boat, the one I am building now could be heavier as the sides and ends are 10mm waterproof ply.
Thats not a Springer Tug.....Its a Pond Emptying Device...You Start it up & it throws all the water out of the pond...
Is that a 40mm or 40cm prop
Any Springer updates ?????
My mate Sandy is working on his "Spreep", might have an outrunner for power...eeeek !
Toes
It may not be a true springer, but that is one hell of a nice model. The first one I have seen in grey, very nice.
You do not live near Vegas do you? I could have come and seen it run in three weeks time ;D ;D ;D
How about a picture of the internals please?
Quite a tidy setup there!
Where do you find the belt drive units? Probably much quiter than the plastic geared units I'm using at present.
The Springer fleet just continues to grow!
Remind me NEVER to show the internals of my Springers. Have you pic of the real USN (?) one that yours is based on. It would fit in hand luggage when you visit the old country again, hint !
...looks real! :oVery droll Martin. ::) From a secrect establishment near a certain Highland loch comes sneak pics of two Springers under construction. One is standard hull with discarded toy Caterpiller bulldozer cab, "Springing Cat" by Malcolm Jacob. A bit more radical but also using a child`s Action Man jeep top to look like and amphibious vehicle. The "Spreep" is by Sandy Murray and may be powered by an outrunner.
Ah, but it is a 'dry' heat! lol..... ;D
By the way, it was 'only' 113 degrees F here yesterday... :-\
I have some pics of the USN versions of BRONC's that Mustang Sally was modelled on.. though there are several versions. This is the one i chose to use..
What kind of power and machinery does the the real thing have?
MartinI have some pics of the USN versions of BRONC's that Mustang Sally was modelled on.. though there are several versions. This is the one i chose to use..
ArrowYes, but they dont "puff", see the history on their web-page. www.savethepuffer.co.uk
Is Vic32 the type of vessel known as a puffer?
Dave
Green ropes! How interesting. How many colors of ropes are in use today?About the same as the owners braces (suspenders). !
...even one of our lady members is busy building one and I think it will have a Barbie theme to it. (Oh dear me....... :()
Cheers,
ian.
...even one of our lady members is busy building one and I think it will have a Barbie theme to it. (Oh dear me....... :()
Cheers,
ian.
Is that 'Barbie' the Doll or "barbie' the grill (goes well with beer O0 )
I'd prefer 'Barbie' the grill but knowing the lady concerned it is bound to be 'Barbie' the doll!
Cheers,
Ian
8)
A little warning to all you springer's sometimes they are top heavy :D
Hi Arrow! Yeah, I am from Czech Republic (Silesia). And you? Where are you from? You asked me that is it first springer in my country, so I think it is. In this time is some people creating another ones (I heard about six people). Reason is that Springers is new category there. I am sending photo of my unfinished Springer number two alias Smit Barracuda.
I`ve just added a very short clip of a Springer spinning at fairly slow speed on Youtube. It spins just as quick when going fast. Great for footy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0 or search for posts by MacSpringer for others.Dont think I got that right , the last digit is zero not an O, or just search for post by MacSpringer and a couple should come up.
I wonder how effective it really is on this type of rudder, as its origional intent was to work with an aerofoil section. I think that when fitted to a flat section rudder its effectiveness may not be as expected, mainly because when the rudder turned, the vortices set up on the low pressure side are far greater with a flat section than with an aerofoil section and thus possibly overriding any gain from a gurney.
Hi guys. I think arrow 5 has got it right. i dont think it will make any differance to a boat shaped like a breeze block ! any way i have made two rudders, one with a t bar or coffee bar or lyons corner house or whatever they are called, and one without i.e normal rudder. i'll see what differance there is , if any,............... regards bob.
It was just one of those perfect boating mornings
Right, I want to fit a fixed kort nozzle to my springer, so, I am curious as to how others secure the nozzle to the hull.Over to you Toes I think ::)
Any comments/ideas welcome.
Thanks
Ian
Right, I want to fit a fixed kort nozzle to my springer, so, I am curious as to how others secure the nozzle to the hull.
Any comments/ideas welcome.
It will be interesting to see a Springer with a Kort Nozzle, mine nearly spins in it's own length with a normal rudder.
What's she fitted out with then?
I asked sitek about the orientation of the nozzle, and this is how they said it should be. The inner diameter is constant through the nozzle to about 5mm from exit end when it opens slightly.
Testing "Springberry" in rough conditions today,full throttle wave bashing
three storey ,1st floor womens clothing 2nd mens clothing 3rd floor TOYS ;)So the die is cast Boatmad, Stavros has now given you a hint to the name of the latest addition to the Grace Brothers International Shipping and Towing Company fleet ! Whatsit gonna be, Capt Peacock, Mrs. Slocombe, Mr. Humphries, Mr Rumbold. {-) Nice build BTW.
Stavros
three storey ,1st floor womens clothing 2nd mens clothing 3rd floor TOYS ;)So the die is cast Boatmad, Stavros has now given you a hint to the name of the latest addition to the Grace Brothers International Shipping and Towing Company fleet ! Whatsit gonna be, Capt Peacock, Mrs. Slocombe, Mr. Humphries, Mr Rumbold. {-) Nice build BTW.
Stavros
nice pics,I'm about to start building a springer tug does anyone have plans for them that i could have,it would be great for my build.
IanNah >:( Red sky in the morning...etc. The pic was taken this morning (Sat). Video on www.youtube.com/user/MacSpringer shows water conditions taken same day at 3pm-ish, wind on hills in background was 80mph. This Maid likes it rough :D :kiss: ( Edit Maid on water clip failed, will post another.)
Wait until you try it on open water, at full throttle you will see the full potential of the springer as a submarine {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Brian
...cos me now building a springer,now Me being ME power mad has decided seeing I have a Schothel Drive at my disposable I wonder would it do in a Springer is it allowed or is it classed as cheating
Turning circle wont be improved IMHO
...Hi Stavros...
Has your GRP hull arrived...
Hi Glenn
I think the prop shaft position is set to give clearence to the prop from the underside of the hull. Remember it should be as close as possible level in the hull. I have read that the skeg is not important unless you are going to play football, saying that both of mine have a skeg fitted it helps to put the prop further back and support the prop tube. The position of the rudder should be so the rear edge of it is just forward from the stern of the springer. The maximum size of the prop for a standard springer is set at 1 1/2 old money, about 38mmm. A bigger prop will put it into the super springer section.
I do have some drawings, in CAD format of my first springer, if you want printouts of them PM me your snail mail address.
If you need any more information, just ask.
Perfect, many thanks for the reply. Oh, this one would not qualify for mega springer never mind anything else! The prop that's going on is 74mm, the plan is to use the boat for recovery purposes only.
Sure it is going to rapidly get many hours on it as it might end up doubling up as a kids play boat down the lake. Still, if it brings some new blood into the hobby, then all is good.
Glenn
Brian
I would like to know prop shaft position please, also, is the rudder position critical and is the "keel" for want of better description, that I have seen on some models required?
By the way, if anyone is interested, planning on running large prop on mine and have geared down drive to fit. (Belts and pulleys)
Has anyone made a Springer Submarine?... 0n purpose O0
Here is an icebreaker for you Umi....
http://www.ulsteingroup.com/kunder/ulstein/mm.nsf/inpdocuments/DEE78DB938D2795BC12572880036975A/$file/ULSTEIN_S118.pdf
Boredom struck hard a while ago, so I opted to do something about it, the hull has had a first coat of resin it's slightly red in colour, I will fibre glass the joins inside tomorrow, and then give the out side another coat, it would be nice to be able to paint the lower hull by next weekend or sooner.
Andy.
So whose currently building what in the way of Springer tugs then?
HI martin....have got one springer up and running at the moment.......am making a couple more with faces from the t.v program TUGS...for the kids to have a go with....not sure whether to make them standard springers or go for super springers........should have about 4 by the time the weather gets better....
regards....bob...
...Hi djrobbo...
Watch what you are doing regarding copying any of ERTL,s characters...
My Father & I built a Thomas The Tank Engine on top of a sit on Lawnmower & they made us cut it up or they were going to sue us....It was used at Church Fetes to raise funds...
I am planning on building another top for Wee Johnny,s Super Springer similar to a character with a turning head...
I will probably build another couple next year for the kids to play football with...
...Best Regards...Norry...
Hi Guys,
A small question if I may,can I run a pair of Springers/or other boats using 2 channels each on 1 x4channel TX if I put the same XTLS in each RX? :-\ Len.
So whose currently building what in the way of Springer tugs then?
What plans do we have for building one next year? (2008)
Hey Andy; that is a real one. I started an R/C Duck about 10 years ago....never finished it but now you`ve mentioned it maybe.......nah. Not after seeing "Super Duck" in action ! Do a search for that if you realy want a laugh, anybody got the link? MikeBC, it was a balmy +8 degrees. Glad you like the pic. The ski slopes are on the hill in a line just up from the bow and the rear of the wheelhouse and as you can see ...black, hardly any snow. Very warm for time of year. The loch was iced over this time last week.hi arrow 5 that looks a lovely loch were in Scotland were you
BTW does a smoking Springer qualify as a "Standard Springer" ? ;D
...a Spritzer :-\
Im surprised that no one has so far come up with a Water Jet powered Springer...Now what would that be called..
...All The Best...Norry...
Gosh, do we really think there is a better mouse-trap? {-)
Flemish or Walloon ? You are correct of course, only a matter of time till we crack the gravity problem. Any fool can see that the sun goes round the earth >:(. Same with marine architects, they`ll just tell us to put a pointy bow on our Springers. >:( BTW Any Springers being built in the Netherlands , for fun or diploma?Gosh, do we really think there is a better mouse-trap? {-)
Anyone speak Dutch? ;)
Ok I give in what are those brass thingy's set into the hull
Stavros
Ok I give in what are those brass thingy's set into the hull
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..
Its beginning to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer... ::)
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..
Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer... ::)
Bench tested it looks like its going to go like a bomb, especially as its got a sport two bladed prop!
Before I go mad and chuck it in the pond and kill it, what sort of handling issues should I watch for? I know each boat is different but the hull would perform in a similar fashion yes? All this talk of submarining is making me edgy!
I could be tempted to say yes it is, but it's still early so you never know, but can I come with my twin K nozzled tug? :)YES, my Visby is stretched and twin motor. All variations of Springer welcome to come to Loch Insh.
Andy. O0
Bench tested it looks like its going to go like a bomb, especially as its got a sport two bladed prop!
Before I go mad and chuck it in the pond and kill it, what sort of handling issues should I watch for? I know each boat is different but the hull would perform in a similar fashion yes? All this talk of submarining is making me edgy!
No... not like a "Bomb"... Like a Submarine.. {-)
Yes, Springers Submarine at WOT... actually, at quite a lot less than WOT... Unless of course you have the weight / waterline waaaaaay back..
They also roll allarmingly, to the stage of the decks getting water on them.. but i have yet to see one roll over.. yet..
I just bath tested the boat, and I'm still recovering :o
it did its best to pull me in to the bath {-)
errr...wot is WOT?
no problem Willit, go to Putfile and look for Arrow5. In fact in some circles it is known as "doing an Arrow" ! Agreed I didnt mean to go under but that is the second time... >>:-(Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..
Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer... ::)
thats brilliant!!!
I challenge someone to make one that submerges! {-)
no problem Willit, go to Putfile and look for Arrow5. In fact in some circles it is known as "doing an Arrow" ! Agreed I didnt mean to go under but that is the second time... >>:-(Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..
Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer... ::)
thats brilliant!!!
I challenge someone to make one that submerges! {-)
OOPSS!!!
...and the rubber couplings got to go and be replaced by a Huco one. It refused to stop the prop shaft being jettisoned when astern is engaged.
...and the rubber couplings got to go and be replaced by a Huco one. It refused to stop the prop shaft being jettisoned when astern is engaged.
*Speechless* :o :o :o
Hi Willitt
You could always fit a retaining Collette to the inboard end of the prop shaft to stop it from being jettisoned.
Bob
Would someone be good enough to post a picture of their Springers pushing knees please, I'm not sure the best way to do them.
Are they also stuck to the hull?
I think having tried to sail mine today and failing miserably that I should have a look at bringing the nose down a bit more.
Toesupwa migth have built a sub springer, but that is not how they were designed.
He will have to bring it across the pond to receive the award! {-)
Would a paddle springer be a British springer.
....and pray tell, what would a Russian submarine built in the USA by a Brit be ? ::)Would a paddle springer be a British springer.
If it was built in Britain, then yes... it would
....and pray tell, what would a Russian submarine built in the USA by a Brit be ? ::)Would a paddle springer be a British springer.
If it was built in Britain, then yes... it would
why not call it after the famous WWII "Flower" class "HMS Springflower" ;D
What sort of run time do others get from their Springers?
What sort of run time do others get from their Springers?
With a pair of 6v 4.5ah SLA's... ohhhh, 2-3 hours... depending on how much pushing they have to do... :P
...Hi Willit...
If both boats were on the same frequency say 40Mhz 0r 27 Mhz, the radio on your Springer would shut down the radio on the Dickie tug...
I am going to fit 6 volt decaperms in my Springers when i get round to building them as I have heard of a few motors being burned out...
It might be something to do with the flat bow on the Springer making it a bit much to push around for any length of time...
I am going to mould a couple of GRP Springer hulls then add the upperworks of the Dickie tugs to make 2 boats for kids to play with at our club...Hopefully they will go away home wanting to build a boat of their own & therefore we have a future in our hobby...
...All The Best...Norry..
I am not sure if it is the shape completely, because I have not heard of many problems with motors from Toesupwa and he has made quite a few. I think it might be more down to the type and shape of prop fitted to the springer. I would be interested to hear what others think.
Hey Willit, see FuntimeFrankie`s look-alike? When are you coming north of the border and to where?
Hey Willit, see FuntimeFrankie`s look-alike? When are you coming north of the border and to where?Mine first appeared in April '07 (post 149)
Yep Frankie these students just copy everything these days ::). Willit is it a special rail excusion to Malliag ? Dont forget to call it MAHL-ig not mahl-AIG. Locals will appreciate that O0
Cor it's quiet on the springer front everyone must be building for the Mayhem bashOK , just for you Stav., I`ve switched off the elctronic cloacking device and shot a pic of "Stringer" stealth tug while she was having another coat of invisible paint applied. I see I`ve caught my reflection in the mirror. :embarrassed:
Stavros
Have you seen the vac formed springer on e-bay. Very light weight, now I'm thinking high speed springer racing (club 500 springers) Right back to the steam springer (pics soon)
Hi willit...........in a previous life when i dabbled with the infernal conbustion thingys...........we put the pick up tube for the water a few millimetres behind the prop and within the propwash , this gauranteed water flow even when the boat was being held .
regards.....bob.
Willit, a couple of points not related to the water-cooling exactly but it will help with cooling the motor. Drill a couple or four holes on the mount to match the holes on the face of the motor. Make sure you have large radius bends on the silicon water tube and that they dont get kinked or narrowed for any reason. Check for debris, seeds or sand etc in the coil from time to time by blowing through it. Your antenna looks far too short unless you have a plug to the rest of it. Make sure the propeller shaft is full of grease. Some floatation might be wise too. Sink happens !
Have a go Willit, at least there will be two of use able to keep warm at the pondside (plus bonus burgers) have a look at the pic, this shows how the boiler will be fitted (its just sort of resting there while I work on the pipework) You can also see the petrol blowlamp (small though it is). I have posted some more bits in the steam section.
And I have a name for it as well (and this has keep me giggling for ages) I'm going to call it Bruce, which of course is short for (wait for it)" Bruce Spring-Steam !!!!!
Military secret...cant tell you. :-X No ballistics involved but you might need gene therapy after it is activated if you catch my drift. :police: ???. :-\ ??? :embarrassed:Surely if you tell him you'll have to shoot him. (http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/thinking1.gif)
I have built two springer hulls, one wide and one narrow.
There is so little room in mine now I couldn't fit anything else in the hull if I wanted too, and when I bought the pump I didn't realise it was as big, well for the space in the Spring it's huge. I'm going to put her back in a week this coming Sunday, and possibly the Sunday after I might go to Llanberis if they'll have me. {-) {-)
Andy. ;D ;)
Superb vid Arrow, Red October is looking good.
Superb vid Arrow, Red October is looking good.Shoorly shum mishtake Ching, thats no Rid Oktwhititsname. :o That is the totally homegrown "Sprub" , a submersible towboat for clandestine recovery of dissabled submarines without sufacing. The pressure hull was constructed on Red Clydeside at the top secret Norry Werft Ltd. Remote sensing was carried out by Cecil B. DeArrow.
Brian
Told you the river was calm !
An early contender for Springer of the year!
He will have to bring it across the pond to receive the award! {-)
...Hi Guys...
"RED OKTOBER" continued her World Tour of Scottish Model Boat Clubs by attending the Fun Day at Largs M.B.C. on the shores of the Firth of Clyde...
...Hi Guys...
"RED OKTOBER" finally took to the water this afternoon at Glasgow Richmond Pond under the command of Wee Johhny...
...All The Best...Norry & Wee Johnny...
...Hi Guys...
Tomorrow "RED OKTOBER" is off to visit Rosyth Naval Dockyard on the Firth of Forth as part of Glasgow South S.M.S.,s exhibition for the Royal Navy...( more pictures to follow)...Maybe R.O. will get to meet a real submarine...
Ralph...what happens if The Royal Navy arrest R.O. as an imposter and dont let her out again...He. He. He.
...All The Best From Bonnie Scotland...Norry & Wee Johnny...
And just what are you expecting to be pushing around with those things on the from Ian?!?!?I guess pretty much anything that gets in my way Martin............. O0!
Tomorrow "RED OKTOBER" is off to visit Rosyth Naval Dockyard on the Firth of Forth as part of Glasgow South S.M.S.,s exhibition for the Royal Navy...( more pictures to follow)...Maybe R.O. will get to meet a real submarine...
Ralph...what happens if The Royal Navy arrest R.O. as an imposter and dont let her out again...He. He. He. I hope you are impressed Ralphy Boy...
Oops Diger springer has a 75mm prop :embarrassed:...and a very hot running motor I suspect :o
daz
Now that I know what one is and know that there is at least some one else in the PDX (Portland Oregon) area that has one.....
There is more than one in the Portland / Vancouver area... ;)
I want to thank the original poster of this thread O0, I had the very same question but was to chicken to ask it . Now that I know what one is and know that there is at least some one else in the PDX (Portland Oregon) area that has one and she launches with authority and distance!! I think that I will build one! :D Now how do figure out if a paddle wheel is OK?
Andre
Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year? ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:.
Forgive me Toes ,but when someone is a menace either to navigation or anything else in english its not good.
MENACE (noun)
The noun MENACE has 2 senses:
1. something that is a source of danger
2. a threat or the act of threatening
Perchance any video of Corrigan underway, direction optional ::)
It is one thing to be ignorant and keep everybody guessing, and another thing to open ones mouth and remove all doubt, :embarrassed: so here it goes. What was the Crawfish Festival and when was it? I got a feeling I know where it was, Taulatin Commons. Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year? ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:. Oh well such is life.
Andre
I was disqualified from winning the deepest dive competition in the submarine division >:(
So why were you disqualified ?
Andre :)
Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year? ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:.
Errrrrr.... yup..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=878288
So this is what you look like!!! O0
Toesupwa, so that what you look like!!! O0
(http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/6/1/4/7/5/a2005697-141-100_0425.jpg)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697)
Toesupwa, so that what you look like!!! O0
You ought to gear him speak, he barely remembers the Queen's english :D
Well done Toes O0, any pictures of the event ? :)
...due to price of regularly needed parts. :'(
Looks like you have fine-tuned the plans and have these cut so as to strengthen the box - are you able to post photos of the next steps?
....planning on a Robbe 600 with gearbox drives. Your thoughts on those?
I think the propultion systems will be 'firsts' for Springers.. O0
I think the propultion systems will be 'firsts' for Springers.. O0
Is it an 'Estes Rocket' springer???
That's very original, Nick. Great. O0
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Jet or Maglev drive?
This is the beginings of the 'O' and 'J' types from the TBW's. O0
Hey toes.
Is the rudder for the jet drive going to be in the pipe?
Andre
Over here in Portland
Is the rudder for the jet drive going to be in the pipe?
The 'rudder' will be a kort fitted over the end of the jet pipe.
Once again, lovely workmanship! O0
or a more complicated system that works like a drill chuck.
Your right Andy ,i have never used a flexi drive never mind seen one up close so i wouldn't have a clue what one looks like .
can they be cut to size or are you limited to pre determined sizes
daz
You would need to cover every single last brick in epoxy, as lego leaks like a ******
And how appropriate was your signature was to that post.... coincidence???
I am sure i read on here that lego was imperviable to most glues , so what about making a lego plug and then casting resin and glass fibre to make a hull ,once cured you just break the mold .
daz
shoudn't the green lights be on the other side
... one thing mr toes ,how do you get your cuts so clean .
I have seen some of your work and the work involved if i was doing it ,well it would take me forever to make all those cuts.
Whats your secret.
So how are you going to make the outboard motor work? ? %) O0 :-))
By sending it out on a paper round next week... :P
No Secret..
A sharp modelling knife, a steel rule, a set of needle files for finishing off.. and patience.
.. by the way how's the "J" Class Springer coming along ?
Ah patience can you get that in a 250ml bottle , or is it only in 500ml size :} :}
Some early snow on the Cairngorms and a calm Loch Morlich , natural light of course :P
That is really brilliant (in all way's), are they on a colour changing program ?
Our club is hoping to have a Christmas light run one evening - this intrigues me!
Have a barge I could mount the lights under or my good old Springer - what type units did you use?
Your thoughts?
Is she going to be called Rainbow? :-))
The portholes look like eyelets for tarpualins etc, filled with epoxy perhaps ?
My springers going to have one of these in ;)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related)
At least it produces some light.... and probably heat!...
But what about thrust?...
Oh I have so got to have a go at making one of those O0
Toes, I think after looking at your tugs I may be hooked. You are the tug man. thanks to you and others on here its another thing I have to have that I cant aford oh well
How big is the Normal Springer tub????
Got an idear but It would help if I had some plans to go on. Dose anyone have a set of make your own wood/ply hull.
My springers have 540 motors in them and at full power they will dive, even with the batteries set towards the stern.
Brian
parts list
model motors direct 777
robbe 50mm kort nozzle
hitec servo
7 inch prop shaft
45 mm 4 blade prop
speed controller
Tell me are they easy to make. Could make a change from my normal go nuts out Makara and Hydro.OK so it's time to own up. I thought I should give this Tug biasness a go in time for Wicksteed park. I was not sure on the power plant? Then hiding under my bench this old engine. With a little bit of work i got it back to life. As you can see I have lots to do. Should be good for Wicksteed Mayhem.
Could be a bit of FUN???
OK so it's time to own up.
hi all
well moving a long with the build props & kort nozzles guled in i got my hands on some more motors mfa torpedo 500 6:1 ratio the output of the motor at @ 6v 1316 rpm & output @ 12v 2633 rpm wot do u think i will be happy for the comments
regards jason
hi tugboat andy
thanks do you have some pictures of your springers i will post more picture soon of my build :-))
kind regards jason
We've also decided to use this design as a club build. I think its a good way to get some members familiar with various techniques used in building more complicated vessels. Also it gives them confidence in doing a first scratch build.
John
Oi!!!! 12Volts????? Only 7.2v allowed. <*<
RULES:
Bath tub springers then Toes?
Ach man, that`s a bony wee thing. Show us the innards please >>:-(
That must be a large sink or that springer is very small, what size is it Toes?
Two new Springers under construction at the Toesup Boat Werks... :D
By the way, they are 9" x 4"... O0
Strongbow is awesome, 3 out of 5 pints of cider sold in the UK is Strongbow...
Just an idea ,has anyone made a jebus to fit in front of a springer to stop it diving , that could be fitted to the front of a tow.
Another US springer jumps the pond...
Poor Bill - you'll never make a true scale modeller! The proper way -Hi Danny
Weigh engine, radio and peripherals
Find bouyancy coefficient of hull material
Calculate size, weight and displacement of hull
Construct model to specifications
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THEN SINK IT {-) {-) {-)
Danny
(sorry - just been watching Reggie Perrin) :-)) {-)
PS - I'm pretty sure that "the proper way" above is a load of *******s %%
Tried it out in the bath tub!!! O blow Start agian Bill . The new engine is to heavy. Got to rebuild it BIGGER. >:-o <:( >>:-( >>:-( :embarrassed:Watching this with much interest, how big :o a Springer are you going to ?
Oh my lord------------------------ :o :o :o :o :o :o
Can't wait to see it go, hell can't wait just to see it
OK OK OK :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
YES IT CAN BE DONE He he he he he {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
OK OK OK :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
YES IT CAN BE DONE He he he he he {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Ok...
So thats the shots of the motor ticking over... what about the shots when you opened the throttle?... {:-{
Well the Gas Springer has had it second run. For starters it had a go at pushing a 5 gall plastic barrel around. That went well , but on to bigger things!!!! But Wot???
......the X4 manned Springer was under construction when I took heart attack and ended up in dry-dock for repairs. Back home now and will be back on-the-job (and working ! ) pretty damn soon :-)).
...Duncan,,,Wee Johnny says "His Springers not scared of that wee bit of wood"......about time too, thought you were sheltering him a bit too much. Right Johnny can drive it then ! Dont think it`ll be ready for Julune, me-no-weel etc plus canny drive for 6 weeks ! Thanks for wishes etc now the biler tubes are cleared it`ll be full steam ahead soon :-)). Duncan.
Will it be ready for Our Tug-Towing Day in June...
Hope you are feeling better after your wee trip to the Dry Dock...
...Best Regards to you & Yours...Norry & Wee Johnny...
P.S. Wee Harry took delivery of his first tug last week...
No trick photography Martin. Was hoping to try some electric trolling motor for fresh water and my trusty 5hp Mercury outboard for real push. The latter shoves the 31footer along at 7knots but that is a sensible shaped hull. Maybe get a massive scale tug bow wave on the Springer. It is all "suck it and see"
This has GOT to be a camera trick!!!! :o
What is going to be it's motive power?
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=66625;image)
Looking good or should I say F A B?
Toes,
Will the suction from the front of the jet,not suck the front under,as they do like to dive
... do you know, I wish I livened next to the man, I bet he's a great source of motivation! :-))
Toes,
I don't care what you say it still looks like a tank, all you forgot to do was install the gun. O0 ;D
Andre
I hope to get time off to walk my dog down to the end of the pier over the weekend, and watch some of your racing. :-))
Danny
So I just say "Hello Danny the bear" and get £10.00.NEARLY right Bill, - read it again... ok2 {-) {-)
Is this the first Swiss Springer?????At least I don't know any other Springer here ;)
A nice build-video from Mexico on www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pttf0MDWrQ&feature=channel if the link doesnt work try search on youtube for PPsailor. Two Springer (of course) plus he does some interesting other boats from re-cyclable materials such as bottle boats etc.See also his video of "Burro de rio" (river mule) all lit up. :-))
Rainer, nice boat. Is the stern out of the water or is that an optical illusion. Maybe needs some ballast.Thanks, you're right on the first Picture. The center of gravity was to far forward, it almost got an u-boat :p After moving some weight to the aft it was just right.
here is my police springer has flashing light and siren..
when i can upload pics.
See also his video of "Burro de rio" (river mule) all lit up. :-))
springer measures 11inch x 5 1/2 inch
{:-{
That doesnt seem to be right...
What's the slow speed control like?
what does'nt seem right?
i can make it any size i want,its for the kids,not for competition,
whats your prob?
hi jabba in picture no 13 the small green hulled tug with the buff colour top its good to see a former build of mine ;) 'its good fun that one regards ray
A standard Springer is 18" x 8" as defined by the original Pacific North West (USA) drawings.
Springer's have been scaled both up and down using a division or multiplication of 18" x 8".
At 11" long, i was expecting the width to be 4.8"
At 5.5" wide, i was expecting the length to be 12.4"
I dont have a problem
You have made a nice job of the Springer's and the barge.
Wot No comments on my new springer then??????
You are into fast electrics, how do you like this Springer ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00w3znH9uc
Bill , the "pusher bars" are called knees. You are into fast electrics, how do you like this Springer ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00w3znH9uc
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Blow me dose that go. {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) I don't think i have ever seen one go like that. My Gas Springer can go at a fair pace just before it dives, But not that fast. Hells bells
BillD, why no video of the big gas Springer going flat out (ish) ? You`ve got to beat that leccy one. Who is the owner/builder of the Sprint-Springer ?
Alas No video . Unless Ghost or someone eles got some video footage when i ran it at Llanberis. However there is loads of my OMRA D class boat on you tube. Type in "D203" and you will find it all....or a ton of bricks in the stern. I have found out that it is from Slovakia.
I still haven't worked out how he did get that springer so fast without the normal dive dive dive routine. It must be the angle of dangle of the drive set up. Reel cool me thinks.
By the way, the Toesup Boat Werks crew are currently residing in Great Britain... and have managed to get yet another Springer across the Atlantic... :P
There should be pics to upload.. as soon as i figure out my Mothers MAC...
Hi Umi love the lights :-)) :-))Cheers John
Hi bill oscar looking good ok2.
Regards JOHN
Affraid we have left and are on our way back to Shropshire...Hello Toes,
.. before the Law asks too many questions... :embarrassed:
Good to have a natter with a fellow MBM'er!
Don't these make it too easy to push the ball around? You can hardly lose it, can you?
Is there any video of a 'springer-soccer' match?
OK so do I take it all you Springer captins are all building new boats for when the summer gets here. ??
Sir..can i clear one doubt here..? why the bottom of this craft done in to a curved shape...?
However ... if you build a springer with that flat indentation at the base would it still be a springer? and would you be able to use in in springer competitions because the hulls not to the original plan , when yet... the original 'springers' features this type of hull... or would it just become a 'scale model?'
just a question on the tug/towing capability's how much weight can these little guys move the heaviest boat i have is around the 7kg mark, my plan would be to not just join in, in building a springer i want to be able to use it as a rescue boat or would you think its better to build a purpose built rescue boat?
In case you are wondering , the 1000lb object was a manned pumkin I believe :o!
Good after noon, all my friends...will some one clear one of my doubt here...? i saw a rare type of tug, named SPRINGER TUG, and its too fascinating , to me because of its belly...why this crafts belly, (KEEL) is shaped in to a curved manner...? and with its shape, will it create more drag...? please explain ....
Hi all not been on for a long time,No2 springer and barge done.
£$%%&*$ (oh "xxxxx").
It would still be 18"x8" , have a single prop and a 2"sq rudder and run off 6v %) :} .
daz
It would just have a boil on it's bottom:-))
Hmmm, a dynamic diving springer could be an interesting project! Dave. O0
Unfortunately Andy your is not a regulation Springer so does not count, if the video was showing it on full power then you are loosing a lot of power somewhere.
Brian
masling tape
the page is all in German,
Look what german distributor Aeronaut just announced on the toy-fair:Very interesting Aurigarius. Be sure to tell the company about Mr Springer and about the Pacific North West model boat club. I wonder if they know that there isn't a real "Springer" but plenty of full-size truckable pushboats on American AND European rivers. As far as the design travelling as far as England and Germany,Holland Belgium France Denmark and be sure to inform them of the Japanese and Australian ones, heck there are even a few north of the English border in Scotland (not part of England if they ask.) Refer them to MacSpringer`s channel on Youtube. Do they want WORLDWIDE publicity for their kit ? Red Oktober needs sponsorship, Hope you and the other nameless- shameless Dortmund gate-crasher are well 8) , regards Duncan. ok2
http://www.aero-naut.de/produkte/schiffsmodellbau/schiffsmodelle/kommerzielle-schifffahrt/ramborator.html
I don't know anything about prices and availability and the page is all in German, but I can tell you it is according to the international rules.
I am at the Aeronaut-booth in Nuremberg on sunday and hope to get more details then.
I think you once had a Springer Kit thread? Did you ever resolve the idea?
Dave
That would be one powerfule springer O0 ,yes the other one had fire moitors
My newly acquired Springer Tug "Misha" following change of motor and complete rewire.Great looking pusher Bob, now a rake of barges ? %)
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Single shaft with Kort. 555 motor. 2 x 6V 4.5Ah batteries in series. Continuous sailing duration at least 2.5 hours.
This, I think, is the biggest Springer tug I have ever seen. ;)
My newly acquired Springer Tug "Misha" following change of motor and complete rewire.good to see one of my builds from a few year's back still going strong & looking good too! :-))
(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/bobkiralfy/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/bobkiralfy/media/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg.html)
Single shaft with Kort. 555 motor. 2 x 6V 4.5Ah batteries in series. Continuous sailing duration at least 2.5 hours.
Found these look ok for the money http://www.omegamodelboats.com/springer (http://http://www.omegamodelboats.com/springer)Dead link
http://www.omegamodelboats.com/springer (http://www.omegamodelboats.com/springer)
That works, but the other one still doesnt!
try this same link as above {-)
Just for future information, do you use the FPV camera with a screen or goggles?
NNF
The rudder looks great. :-))
If you have a 3D printer the design is on Thingiverse https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5468158 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5468158)
Having looked at the video again I am very surprised at the speed the tug leaves & enters the harbour past the moored boats & the amount of wash it creates as a result. I don't think that it is good seamnaship.I said the same thing when I first saw the video. "Hey, No Wake Zone..."