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Title: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 30, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
Anybody building or operating the cult USA "Springer Class" tugs/workboats ?  See RCGroups.com in the "Dock Talk" section of "Boats" , look for first couple of pages for Springer Class thread for loads of pics and description.  Might try a water polo match at Loch Insh event in Sept. this year.

Admin Edit:

Springer Info...

Plans: (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/Plans.doc)

Plans A4: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=9309

Plans: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3471.msg34812.html#msg34812

Plans: http://nwrcsm.freeyellow.com/springer.PDF

RULES:
18" x 8" inch hull size and floor shape as per plan.
Single Motor up to 540 size ( gearing etc. allowed ) eg. 540/550 / Speed 600. ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!
Power - Up to 7.2 volts
SINGLE RUDDER BLADE TYPE up 4" Sq.
Must have a superstructure of some sort.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 30, 2007, 03:03:57 PM
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on March 31, 2007, 08:32:36 AM
Nice pics and a nice boat / tug / pusher. wouldnt mind having a go at one myself so i have saved the plans (said quietly as not to break the copywrite laws).
i wonder if it will still work as well with a twin screw system .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on March 31, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
Looks really interesting, wouldn't mind having a go myself.  :)

Clive :)

I didn't notice any copyrights attached to those two drawings either ???


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 31, 2007, 07:57:43 PM
I`m glad some others are interested in the Springers. No copyright I think and some very basic design rules.( no twin screws).  The US style pusher/tug style doesnt have to be followed, I`m making one with a Clyde Puffer topsides, a MacSpringer ::) There is endless European shapes, canal boats, workboats and so on that give the whole idea it`s appeal as a basic knock-about for the more experienced and a good solid beginner`s first model. Then of course there is the Water Polo aspect, teams of three could be found in even the smallest clubs. Read a few pages of the RCGroups link (thanks Mayhem) above. Let`s go International Springer !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 31, 2007, 08:00:50 PM
Yes I really like the idea. (Maybe for the next Mayhem weekend!)
Has anyone found out how they are used or competitions developed?

Martin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Man on March 31, 2007, 08:05:05 PM
Here is the home page of the springer. It may help.
http://www.springertug.com/
There isn't any copyright to the plans they are free for all to use when making a model.

Don
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 31, 2007, 10:12:40 PM
Heres a list of events from that  site:

"A number of events have been set up for Springer tugs. 
Soccer: at least three boats on each side, one goalie, the rest aggressor/defenders.
Relay races: teams of 2 alternating in races around two large circles.
Rubber ducky round up (open to other classes but dominated by Springers."  

Right Boat Football it is then everyone!- http://www.springertug.com/video.html (http://www.springertug.com/video.html)
Start building your boats now.

I think we can just tweak the build rules a little bit.... just so we can say it a 'British' version!
Right, first new rules:

1. Any battery type up to 7.2 volts
2. Any rudder system allowed.

.... anything else needs tweaking?

Martin
PS. Ace find arrow5!  8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 31, 2007, 10:30:15 PM
Here are a couple of pics of my 'Brit' style Springer... But as i am in California, USA, I'm holding the British 'end' up over here  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 31, 2007, 11:27:07 PM
Thanks Toes, very English. I prefer a slightly more "Vintage" style (hint).   Martin, "if it aint broke dont fix it"  I think the odd but simple hull is the trick that makes it so appealing to beginner and experienced. I say stick to to original concept, square, slabsided, anybody can do it. My Puffer version looks daft with a square bow and stern but is a cartoon after all. The purists can find barge shaped craft for more serious scale(ish) versions. Only variation should IMO be from the waterline up where anything goes. Polo matches should be a crowd pleaser at shows but I`d hope that the cartoon theme wouldnt end up with Tea Kettles versus Garden Swans but more Tugz Vs ...em donnowhat ! Rounding up plastic ducks would be a laugh too.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bradders on March 31, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
Anyone fancy building one of these for the mayhem weekend? Even a club one, if so I will see if I can put one together and we can have a small competition, if its windy enough we could play round up the ping pong balls or similar   ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 01, 2007, 01:06:44 AM
Ok I am up to teh challenge Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Man on April 01, 2007, 01:37:11 AM
One thing that needs to be mentioned is about the cabin coaming. It should be as high as possible 3/4" or so. These tugs get a pretty good amount of water on their decks. They tend to plow water instead of break through it as they run. This causes a accumulation of water on the decks most of the time. I would hate to see anyones boat stall out or sink due to this.

Don
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 01, 2007, 03:55:17 AM
I certainly agree with Tug Man on his comments about cabin coaming. 'Tigger' has 1 1/4" coaming under the main cabin and 1/2" coaming under the rudder access. If you plan on adding bullwarks, dont forget to add some scuppers!..

The hull shape does tend to 'broach' at speed too, so try to keep a Springer a little 'stern' heavy. This produces some strange 'roll' characteristics when turning at speed though. (see attached pic, spot the water on deck) The hull wasnt designed for speed or manouverability.. its just a 'fun' boat.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 01, 2007, 08:32:31 AM
For those interested, here are a few construction / layout pics of my two (one's the Wife's!) recent Springer builds.
I constructed both of these two with 1/4" ply all round, 1/16" ply deck and hull bottom..

I've also constructed a 'barge' based on the Springer layout, 18" long x 8" beam.. but its a Springer hull with two 'front ends'. I built (admitedly without 'RC guts') it in 2 1/2 days from 3/4" pine board i had left over from another project, and again, 1/16" ply deck and hull bottom.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 01, 2007, 09:30:22 AM
Isn't the "Betsy Bev" plan from Maurice Mould the same class of tug? I used to have a set of those plans but they were sold as part of a boat/plan job lot to a club in the northeast so can't check.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 01, 2007, 09:55:10 AM
Springers are a similar style pusher tug to the 'Betsy Bev', but Springers are smaller @ 18" x 8" and have a deeper hull
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 01, 2007, 10:08:44 AM
Just got the base plans as a PDF.

I will try to generate a set of metric plans for the outline of the hull this week........


Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 01, 2007, 05:14:38 PM
Hi Martin,

Just starting to build mine now, does "any rudder system" allow for kort nozzles?

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 01, 2007, 07:18:48 PM
Nope - Korts specifically excluded - maximum rudder area = 4sq.in.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 01, 2007, 07:51:05 PM
Kendal , We have to think of the original concept first I think. Maybe an argument for a "Standard" Springer and an "Unlimited" class or "Experimental" class later. The basic , anybody can build one of those, is the reason for the popularity of the Springer as a fun boat. More expense, complication and the emergence of an elite. How long before a Hydrofoil Springer arrives on the scene, then a large-scale version, then a manned one ! The trick is the superstructure and what weird, scale(ish)  or humourus versions of "real" boats or ships we can add to the basic hull. I might try an RO 1/24 Springvincible !  Lets keep it even for all builders I(http://[img][img][img])[/img][/img][/img] say.  Anyway if we get a team together in our club (Cairngorm MFC) we will challenge an English team to a polo match or duck round-up or whatever in the first Springer International match(Standard boats). Date of our Splash-in is 8-9th Sept.,07. Venue; Loch Insh, near Aviemore. Return match your place , your date next year. Are you in or near Kendal ? How about during one of the waterplane events in the Lake District or The Steamboat Museum boat events ?  A final thought, I would like to call all the ones Scottish "MacSpringers" so any ideas for the definitive English one ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 01, 2007, 09:29:51 PM
Kendal , We have to think of the original concept first I think. Maybe an argument for a "Standard" Springer and an "Unlimited" class or "Experimental" class later. The basic , anybody can build one of those, is the reason for the popularity of the Springer as a fun boat. More expense, complication and the emergence of an elite. How long before a Hydrofoil Springer arrives on the scene, then a large-scale version, then a manned one ! The trick is the superstructure and what weird, scale(ish)  or humourus versions of "real" boats or ships we can add to the basic hull. I might try an RO 1/24 Springvincible !  Lets keep it even for all builders I(http://[img][img][img])[/img][/img][/img] say.  Anyway if we get a team together in our club (Cairngorm MFC) we will challenge an English team to a polo match or duck round-up or whatever in the first Springer International match(Standard boats). Date of our Splash-in is 8-9th Sept.,07. Venue; Loch Insh, near Aviemore. Return match your place , your date next year. Are you in or near Kendal ? How about during one of the waterplane events in the Lake District or The Steamboat Museum boat events ?  A final thought, I would like to call all the ones Scottish "MacSpringers" so any ideas for the definitive English one ?

Hi Wombat and Arrow5,

I asked about Kort nozzles, because the drawings I downloaded say no but Martin's post suggests two rules changes

"I think we can just tweak the build rules a little bit.... just so we can say it a 'British' version!
Right, first new rules:

1. Any battery type up to 7.2 volts
2. Any rudder system allowed.
"


Arrow 5 I used to live in Kendal but now reside in South Birmingham, near Solihull.


Regards
Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 01, 2007, 11:15:58 PM
Too bad about the move Clive , I hope it was for money ! Rule changes, I`m OK with the battery changes. Not so sure about rudder changes, look at the fore and aft rudders that are on the Yank forum, away from the  single theme. No "Anglo" name ideas ? Lets keep them simple( boats I mean , not names ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Man on April 02, 2007, 12:59:32 AM
The idea behind these boats is that they are all built the same.  As long as you all agree on how to build them it really doesn't matter how they look or what they use to run. Now if you plan to compete here in the states with one it does matter as it would have to conform to the build rules. But for yourselves as long as everyone agrees on how they want to build them it is ok. The idea behind these boats is to provide an even playing field for everyone when playing competition polo. It would be unfair for someone to have 2 motors/screws and be able to out maneuver the rest of the opposing team that would only be using one motor/screw.
These boats are a great way for youngsters to get into the hobby. They are quick and easy to build. They only require as much detail as the builder wishes to add.

Don
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 02, 2007, 07:06:56 AM
does that mean we are limited to one rudder of 4 sq inches or can we have multi rudders fore and aft either 4sq inch each or 1sq inch each ??.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 02, 2007, 07:23:40 AM
The US Springer rules say "A flat rudder of optional shape cannot have an area greater than 4 square inches"

So i guess you coud have more than one rudder as long as the area in total doesnt exceed the '4 square inches'...

But.. my (mine and the wifes) Springers with a standard 4 square inch rudder will turn 180 in a little over the length of the hull!.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 02, 2007, 08:22:42 AM
Already we need a Philadelphia Lawyer to interpret the rules :(   Toes says short 180s on a single and if I read the rules correctly they do say "THE rudder", singular !  It isnt Formula 1 guys lets stick to the original simple and easy. If we start looking for loopholes already maybe we should forget the whole idea. :'(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 02, 2007, 08:39:04 AM
Too bad about the move Clive , I hope it was for money !

It was for love, although wages are better (about 25% more) down here than in Kendal. I miss the hills and the lakes. Nothing to compare round here without travelling some distance.

Rules wise I am in agreement with the US rudder system so that is OK with me. 7.2v works well for me as an ex 1/10 buggy racer and currently a collector of them.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 02, 2007, 09:07:05 AM
Best of both worlds then...missing the hills.  So an excuse to head back up for a weekend of "Springering" ?? ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 02, 2007, 09:08:16 PM
arrow5 the reason for the question on the rudders is that on the rc groups site this photo show's a springer with three rudder configuration
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/test0001.jpg)
and the internals are
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/smpushlinkage.jpg)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Man on April 02, 2007, 10:21:09 PM
As shown in this picture a 4 inch sq. rudder is what is allowed for competition.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843720 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843720)
A salmon tail design is allowed for the rudder. It does seem to help.

Don
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 02, 2007, 11:07:45 PM
Yes I`ve seen that one and the other with two rudders, one in front of the prop and one behind. Said to help when turning while going astern.  I`m not sure if they are "legal" but they don`t seem to be in the spirit of the simple everyman/woman/kids boat. I wouldn't mind doing a stern-wheeler or a tank landing craft or a BW dredger/crane/workboat just because of the barge shape. If it isn`t a Springer we`d all put a pointy bow and make them a bit more like a real conventional boat etc etc. BTW how about the foam-core one posted somewhere, not wood EEEK. I can see the purist boaties screaming at that deviation from the norm. I have a lot of bluefoam left over from a previous build and thought of hot-wire cutting a Springer hull and skinning it with obechi veneer and glassed. It would take a fraction of the time to make compared to even a quick-build wooden one. You`ve guessed I`m an aeromodeller not really a boatie.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 02, 2007, 11:42:58 PM
can't fault you arrow5 i am in the process of building another coaster (5 foot long) out of foam and covering the hull with pollyester resin and tissue .
The work boat is also on my mind as i have a rc crane what needs a platform to opperate from ,yours would be a lot quicker made from blue foam though.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Man on April 03, 2007, 12:12:31 AM
RC Crane? Could you tell me a bit about it? I am currently building the Model Slipways crane kit.

Don
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 03, 2007, 08:06:08 AM
now dont get too excited ,it's one of those ready built ones from the hobby store about 1:12th scale .It's been sat on the shelf in the workshop about a year and with summer around the corner would look nice floating around the pond .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 03, 2007, 03:04:37 PM
I will put the Puffer aside and have a go at building one, timber on order as we speak.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 03, 2007, 06:20:03 PM
Will it be a Spruffer then  ;D ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 03, 2007, 11:05:15 PM
Now this plan is easier to understand, the other plans I have seen are in old money. Tim is it OK to take a of copy this??

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 04, 2007, 03:51:33 AM
The plan looks good Wombat, especially for those that cant understand 'old money' measurement.

Are 1 1/2 inch props not available in Great Britain?, 38mm is close if imperial sizes are not available.

A Springer, to get it to the waterline, will handle two 6v 4.5mah gel cells. With a 7.2v pack, you will have to add LOTS of ballast to bring it down to the waterline. With twin gel cells, you also get the advantage of loads of running time, mine runs for nearly 2 hours from one charge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 04, 2007, 03:57:02 AM

Rules wise I am in agreement with the US rudder system so that is OK with me. 7.2v works well for me as an ex 1/10 buggy racer and currently a collector of them.


Just thought i would add...

My Springer takes two 6v 4.5mah gel cells plus ballast (approx 10 oz) to get it to sit down on the waterline. With a 7.2v 'car' pack, you will need to add loads of ballast to get it to sit down to the waterline
Another advantage with gel cells over a 7.2v pack, is that you get a far longer running time per charge. My Springer runs for some 2 hours on one charge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 08:21:55 AM
Hi Guys,

Feel free Brian - I am thinknig that the plans should be in the public domain except for commercial use (if you are going to make money out of it then something should be paid to someone like the RLNI). I am planning expand the plans to include motor mounts and things and standard mountings for baqtteries and put the plans out in a more usable form. I will also make up cutting plans for all the piece parts defined. This should make a nice standard hull that someone can do as an easy project. I will also try to get them in an easier to use form - probably a PDF, though my PDF writer was spitting its dummy and making it difficult for me to get a PDF.

What would be good is if anyone builds from the plans asa they develop, the information on the build can be fed back to give a resource to make it as easy as possible for others to build the models.

I am going to ressurect the "FLoatingWonbat" webiste over Easter to act a resource on this, so we can publish plans and rules and things together based on the discussion over here on Mayhem.

Toesupwa, thanks for the comments - gel-cell would overcome the ballast problem - this is good to know. Anything to make the build simpler to handle. Hmmm, possibiities for an endurance class........ I suggested a 35mm prop as it seemed close to 1.5" - though 40mm would be as good. This would be coupled to a 5" M4 propshaft and then to the motor (cheap and cheerful).

Tim the Wombat
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 04, 2007, 08:46:19 AM
I visited Bob's Models yesterday for my Balsa so I can start building a Springer over the Easter weekend. Will have to "borrow" the 385 motor I set aside for my PBR build, mind you spent some time yesterday contemplating a scale water jet drive at 1/24 so might end up taking the shaft out of the PBR anyway.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bradders on April 04, 2007, 02:31:26 PM
I have merged the topics and will try to consolidate them a bit as I have been getting queries etc about the definitive rules.

Hopefully we will end up with a plan in Imperial and Metric but both, but having a standard motor, power etc.

So the British Mayhem rules (if you all agree) are:
Construction
Size 18" (460mm) long, 8" (200mm) wide hull profile as per plans. Construction material, anything, any weight. No sharp corners on hull edge to stop damage to other boats in combat  ;D
Superstructure
There must be a superstructure above the decks Min size 4"x4"x4" (100mm x 100mm x 100mm) whole or in parts, other than that whatever you like, tugs, warships, tanks, house, duck, sailing, no puffers!
Drive
Motor will be 540 (Speed 600) or less, any gears reductions clutches etc allowable but must not be used to steer the boat in any way. Any propshaft type Single propeller 11\2 inch (38mm) Dia.
Power
Max battery voltage 7.2v any battery type
Steerage
Any rudder arrangement including nozzles allowed, any shape or quantity however, max surface area (fixed or moving) not to exceed 4 Sq inches 2500 Sq mm.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
Don't thionk I do agree, but depends what we want to achieve.

Will try to open up my ideas later

Tim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 04, 2007, 05:30:03 PM
Hi Tim
I have not yet started to cut any timber but I will be working to your plan. It is much easier to read than others I have seen, I will let you know how it goes.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 06:43:23 PM
Why no Puffers ?  Is this to be an English thing ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 07:24:47 PM
Hi Brian,

Hang fire a little - if we set a LOA for the rules as 460mm then my plan does not meet that - the LOA is 450mm. This is because I took the 18" of the original and used a spacing of 25mm for the construction lines. If we go for 460mm which is closer to the original, we will have to remark up the original - this is no biggie - maybe I will do that update for giggles.

Alternatively, we could say something like:

Hull to meet either the US or Metric Springer plans.

I think that we need to decide what we want to achieve with the rules - do we want a set of rules which give nominally similar boats. If we do, I think we need to be more definitive.

To keep in with the spirit of the original I think we should standardise on a prop size - I would say 35mm or 40mm with a maximum of three blades. THis will result in a smaller motor - say a 380 or 400

Power - maximum 7.2V agreed. All boats to be ballasted to a defined waterline.

I think we could have 2 classes:

Restricted - all rules apply, this gives a more level playing field
Unrestricted - the basic hull outline is to be used, but more freedom in drive - bigger motors, korts, bigger props. Though I would say nothing extending below the lowest part of the main hull

I wonder if we should make superstructure fully optional - though if no superstructure is provided a deck and hatch must be included.

TtW


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 07:34:36 PM
Please children , no bickering. As the orignal poster in this thread all I wanted to know was "Is anyone building Springers in UK?"  IMHO the rules are there, why change them ?  Metric ? It is only a measurment, it could be fractions of a league, or a rod or a chain. Kort nozzles, water jets, multiple rudders etc.,  it aint a Springer if it isnt a Springer.  It is not as if we`d got a Ford Mustang from the US and HAD to put a Jaguar engine in it.  The basic design isnt so American that we Brits cant stand to look at it and have to change it. The motors, batteries, radios are just universal standard boat modelling gear available everywhere. But my final complaint and the moderator will I`m sure post some pictures for me is the last straw. I say the only thing we should change is from the waterline up.  End of rant.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 07:43:31 PM
Very rational Wombie, but give me a good reason for ANY changes. Optional superstructure, I hope you mean optional style not a "Flatty" ie just a hatch lid. Surely there are plenty of rulers and measuring tapes in inches still available.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 07:53:24 PM
Nobody is bickering but were trying to have a civilised discussion.

<quote>IMHO the rules are there, why change them ?</quote>
Because there are issues in transferring them from one zone to another - for example the US rules say a 1.5" prop - so do we decide to use the nearest metric equivalent or do we insist that to meet the rules we have to get props specially made or imported.

<quote>Metric ? It is only a measurment, it could be fractions of a league, or a rod or a chain.</quote>
<quote>Surely there are plenty of rulers and measuring tapes in inches still available.</quote>

There speaks someone who has not had to deal with different measurements systems. If you are happy to put up with awkward conversions then fine, but if you are trying to get a simple system suitable for beginners, then you have to make the measurements as simple as possible unless you can provide full size templates. The point of my suggestions is to make it as simple as possible - the fact that we are looking at the thing suggests we see the value and the strength of the design, but there are issues to be resolved if we are to make it in the UK what it is in the US because of differences in details.

TtW

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 04, 2007, 08:01:07 PM
Hi All,

Still here.....

Hopefully Bradders metric measurements are 'as-near-as dam-it' to imperial, in keeping with the 18 x 8 inch hull plan.
We spoke at length (argued) about rudders and feel that with ingenuity can be encouraged by allowing any rudder arrangement but restricting the total area to 4" square (25 Sqcm).
To encourage the RC car fraternity to 'have a go', standard 6 call battery sticks (7.2v) and 540 / Speed600 motors should be allowed.
Superstructure rule..... well wouldn't it be better for owner and public moral if the thing at least look like a boat or just funny? ..... A "flatty" doesn't look like anything and to enter any even, you should made to stick something silly on it, like a plastic decoy duck.....  ::)
There is of course no reason why the your superstructure shouldn't be interchangeable!  :o

Having just spoken to Wombat on the phone, we feel that there should could to 2 classes, restricted and unlimited.

Restrited class:
18" x 8" inch hull size and floor shape as per plan.
Single Motor up to 540 size ( gearing etc. allowed )
Up to 7.2 volts
SINGLE RUDDER BLADE TYPE up 4" Sq.
Must have a superstructure of some sort.

Unlimited Class:
As above except;
Any rudder arrangement up 4" Sq.
SINGLE MOTOR but any propeller arrangement you can invent.



..... and yes Puffers allowed! Bradders was having a dig at me for taking so long to finish Jan's Puffer.  :(

Here's Arrow5's Puffer Springer!

Martin.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 08:16:16 PM
I take the point about the superstructure making the look of the thing - but again if we are looknig at a good beginners boat, should it be something to be insisted on, or should we allow a "flattie" to be acceptable. Looking at the two sheet rules (unless I have missed an additional set of rules) I think it is ambiguous in how it is read - is it the design of the deck and superstructure design optional in that one has to have a superstructure but that can it can be of any design, or is the presence of superstructure optional (i.e. a flattie is a design option).

If we follow the US rules the size of the prop is given - this would, by extension, give a useful limit on the size of the motor.

Voltage for the motors - here I disagree with the wording of the US rules - I would prefer 6V SLA or 7.2V NiCd/NiMh as the voltages vary. Maybe that is picky of me, but since a fully charged 6V SLA gives more than 6V

Point of information 4sq" is approx 25 sqcm.

TtW
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 09:00:52 PM
Thanks for posting the hackle-rising McPuffer pics Martin (thought you were on a break) very droll. Do I have to follow the motor installation you`ve provided  ;D  Wombie I`m sorry I didn't know that Imperial size props were`nt available in the UK, I`m not a boaty.  Motor and batteries are also a mystery. My other model has a 5hp two stroke motor. I have never had any problems with  converting litres to pints or miles to kilometres in Europe . Beginners are not all the product of new maths and 12 year olds who were never taught Imperial. Although it would be good to get a few more teenagers(of all ages) into modelling and this I think is the appeal of the Springers. You are doing a good job keep it up and keep it simple. Superstructures seen on the first pics on the RCGroups Springer thread show how simple or how complex they can be. They are a must, flatties are in the fast racers dept. Some humour in interpretation allowed to keep the class light-hearted, cartoon scale if you like. Dont forget the Barge pushing aspect, we might have to compete against other European countries, Netherlands and Germany come to mind.  R/C ducks are another class I think. I even proposed a Racing Duck event once...didnt happen.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
Hi Arrow5,

Hey, no sweat - this has been a very civilised disagreement, no teeth have been swept up yet....you should try some of the Christian forums :o

I think that one has to accept that feet and inches and working in fractions is something that is alien to some - if you haven't been brought up with it it becomes very difficult visualise - bitter experieince tells me if the dimensions are in alien units it is very difficult to visualise what the lengths actually are and you cannot easily see when the errors creep in.

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bradders on April 04, 2007, 10:25:21 PM
Blimey chaps, I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest...

I think the original design is fine and if we have plans available in both measurements then that can only be a good thing. I probably should have read up more on the American rules but to me this seems like a simple design that anyone can build from any type of wood and, if built within some simple guidelines, could possibly be used in some simple competitions with like minded souls.
I wanted to build one to take to the mayhem weekend along with a couple of other Mayhemers to play some water football or something similar, maybe having a 'Springer cup' up for grabs or similar.
After chatting with Martin we thought it would be good fun to have various deck options, I actually fancied building an springer Ark Royal, and yes I know this is not like a proper American springer but thought it would add a bit of fun and ingenuity.

Sorry if I have this all wrong and out of context, I'll stop interfeering and get back to checking for swearwords on the forum.
Bradders
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 10:28:56 PM
Great, but just don't expect me to accept the 25 hour day , 5 day week, 5 week month and 15 month year and all that modern stuff. The Luddites were right ! My steam powered type writing machine has converted this message into electrons  for your benefit. Voices through wires ...Pah !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 04, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Hey Hey, I threatend to do a RO1/24  an SPRINGVINCIBLE first. >:(....BTW maybe I`m on the wrong thread, I`m talking about SPRINGERS not Spingers ( sounds like a swearword to me) ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 04, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
Well, here is a little update.......

Outline for the side profile of the hull in botlh old and new money - differences between the two got down to about 1mm or so.

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 05, 2007, 12:48:28 AM
As an ex Brit that has built a couple of these Springers over in the US of A, may i make a few comments on the 'provisional' UK rules?

1/ Why change the existing rules, except for imperial to metric?..

2/ The metric hull measurement compared to the imperial hull is to within mm's, i dont think the difference is that noticable.

3/ A superstructure is good, but not essential. There is a Springer in the US that just has a 'golf green' as a 'top!. The fun is creating a superstructure that is to your liking and yet is recognisable.

4/ Motor should be whatever you have spare in your bits box. A Springer at speed acts like a submarine.. so a faster Springer can be a dissadvantage!. As long as you dont exceed the permitted voltage (see other comments) Gear reduction is allowed in the US, as long as the motor / gearbox etc, results in a single, non steerable 3 bladed prop.

5/ 1 1/2 inch prop or closest metric equvalent.. either is allowable

6/ As I've mentioned before here, a Springer, to bring it down to the waterline takes two 6v 4.5 ah SLA batteries.. and some additional ballast (mine needs an additional 10 oz!) to get one to sit at the waterline. Two 6v 4.5ah batts weighs in at 1.8kg / 3.6lb compared to less than a lb for a 7.2v batt pack.... so be prepared to add at least  3lb of lead if you go the 7.2v route!..
6v SLA's will also give you longer running times by the way.

7/ Rudders / korts have been discussed over on the US RC Groups site..

For those that havnt been there..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762
.. there are some 46 pages on Springers!.

..and even though a kort is possible within the 4 sq inch rule / 25 Sq mm., its impracticle (sp)  because it ends up less than 3/4" / 19mm wide.. and is virtually ineffective.

8/ More than one rudder is allowable, however they should not exceed the 4 sq inch rule / 25 Sq mm (in total area) rule. As my Springer turns almost on itself with a 'standard' rudder, i think more than one rudder may actually be a disadvantage, except when going astern...

I hope my comments are taken as constructive.

I'm looking forwards to seeing some of your 'builds'!..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 05, 2007, 01:06:52 AM
Just done some checking on UK prices for 6V 4.5Ah SLA's...

Maplins have them for under 6.00! (sorry, US keyboards dont have a pound sign 'key'!) and a suitable charger for under a tenner!

http://www.maplin.co.uk/SEODynamicPages/module.asp?ModNo=19363#prices
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: bigford on April 05, 2007, 02:09:14 AM
hey toes
 
   leave it to the british to mess up a simple usa build  :P
 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 05, 2007, 08:47:46 AM
hey toes
 
   leave it to the british to mess up a simple usa build  :P
 

Having integrated US ans Swiss equipment don't go there.......Very different approaches to what the drawing says

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: FullLeatherJacket on April 05, 2007, 12:10:42 PM
Toesupwa (what a strange handle.....)
Try this link for SLA's:
http://www.component-shop.co.uk/html/lead-acid.html
The company is Welsh but I think they'll supply the English as well (I'm not sure about the USA, though).

Bigford
Brittania waves the rules, OK?

Wombat
Have you got your hull lines drawing in CAD format (eg DWG or DXF)? If so, any chance of a copy of the file?

FLJ (No relation to Mr ArmouredDinnerJacket)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 05, 2007, 12:22:37 PM
Do they mention export to Northern Britain, better known as Scotland ?  :o(best biking roads in the country)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 05, 2007, 02:58:36 PM
Toesupwa (what a strange handle.....)
Try this link for SLA's:
http://www.component-shop.co.uk/html/lead-acid.html
The company is Welsh but I think they'll supply the English as well (I'm not sure about the USA, though).


You can get SLA's over that side of the pond CHEAPER than i can get them over here in the US of A!!!!

Toesup... and its not a strange handle from where i am sitting  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: anmo on April 05, 2007, 03:28:19 PM

Toesup... and its not a strange handle from where i am sitting  ;)

No problem, on this forum you can call yourself more or less what you like, but what I think Mr Jacket was referring to is that here in the UK, 'Toes Up' usually means DEAD.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 05, 2007, 03:37:33 PM
Coming originally from the UK, i can see where the confusion lies....  ;D , but i dont think i am quite dead yet..  :o

'toesup' comes from drinking too much ethanol based beverages and falling over backwards... 'Wa' is Washington State, where i was based when i moved over here
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 05, 2007, 07:12:25 PM
Wombat
Have you got your hull lines drawing in CAD format (eg DWG or DXF)? If so, any chance of a copy of the file?

FLJ (No relation to Mr ArmouredDinnerJacket)

Sure have FLJ - anyone who wants a copy feel free to PM with an e-mail

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 05, 2007, 09:39:48 PM
AS an update, before I get the Springer sectoin of the website going, there is a crude link on www.floatingwombat.me.uk (http://www.floatingwombat.me.uk) to download the lines as a zip file with DWG, DXF and E2 files in it.

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 05, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
Thanks, do you have it in Gaelic ? ;D   Meandering through Mayhem I came across www.tugboats.de a veritable goldmine of pictures of European prototypes suitable for "Springerisation". Modern, olden, colourfull, Dutch, German, British, Danish etc. No need to be USA style unless you want. You`ll be there a while making choices.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 06, 2007, 09:16:05 AM
Thanks, do you have it in Gaelic ?

No but I can do it in pink if you like
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 06, 2007, 11:20:46 AM
Thanks, do you have it in Gaelic ?

No but I can do it in pink if you like
OOOOh you are awful, but nope. Tartan ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: FullLeatherJacket on April 06, 2007, 11:46:23 AM
Come on, chaps - you're drifting way off beam. You don't want to be Braddered, do you?
I see that many of the US models use geared motors. Is anyone planning to go down this route? I reckon even a crummy old 540 in a belt-drive unit would be better at running a 1.1/2in prop than a straight drive motor.
Waddya fink, guys?
(See, Arrow5 - these daft little boats are getting to me slowly...............Curse you, McSpringer!!)
FLJ
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 06, 2007, 12:08:23 PM
Yep cheapo, simple gears or belts seem ok to me, optional in the Standard Class or in "Super Class" only?  I say one class, gears OK. Any other opinions ?  Just watch no smarty-pants come along with high nitro or nitrus oxide versions.  The curse will be lifted when two or more Springers hit the water at the same place, same time. :-*   Wish I hadnt used 24hr epoxy...see over-build ! Signed MacSpringer the kilt.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 06, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
HI ALL
         AM IN THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING THE HULL NOW, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE COMES UP WITH AT MAYHEM DO ,RIGHT BACK TO IT  ;D ;D ;D
                   CHEERS STEVE J.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 06, 2007, 04:26:32 PM
Got you infected ! Give us a clue or pic . What style are you doing topside?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 07, 2007, 10:49:14 PM
HI ARROW,
               THE HULL IS BUILT FROM SOME LEFT OVER PLY ,FRONT AND BACK IS 2" x 1" ALL GULED AND NAILED OR SCREWED TOGETHER ,THEN PAINTED WITH A NICE THICK COATING OF GLASS FIBRE RESIN ,SHOUD BE PRETTY STRONG .

I WILL TRY TO POST A FEW PICS ,AS FOR THE TOP, HOW ABOUT A ARMED PUSHER TUG !!!  ;D
                  CHEERS STEVE J.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 07, 2007, 11:23:11 PM
Yes, how about the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club river boats ::).  Lets see pics as it progresses ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 08, 2007, 08:01:33 AM
Who will be first to hit the water with a Springer in Great Britain?... or is there already one in existance?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 08, 2007, 10:29:46 AM
Well I`ve got half of one ;D  She`s  in the paintworks as we speak, no running gear installed yet pending decisions by the "rules mafia"(thats my excuse)   I`m concentrating on the cosmetics to drum-up local interest for club annual Splash-in (Sept) on the principal that if I can do it anybody can (my model boating experience being limited to a slightly larger vessel ::)). If I get it pretty enough I`ll try to post some pics soon. Dont know whether to go "weathered" or "just out of the yard".  Anybody else building one ?  When is Mayhem Week-end ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on April 08, 2007, 11:44:03 AM
Started mine tonight will post pics later.........



Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on April 08, 2007, 11:48:58 AM
JB,

Just a small query, is the plan you posted just the hull or does it include the coaming, or the side above the deck....



Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 08, 2007, 02:53:02 PM
That is the hull sides only, to deck level. As I understand it you can droop it in the middle . Bulwarks are recommended by most operaters to keep the deck drier with gun`les or or hawse-pipes to let any shipped water out. What are you planning ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 08, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
Here are Wombat's plans in 'Word' format - should print out full size on 3 pages .

Martin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 08, 2007, 06:36:29 PM
I have started to build my Springer Tug today as per Tim the Wombats plans. The sides are 8mm ply ends 6mm ply and the bottom is 3mm ply, I have put the skeg in place, hopefully the right place yet to drill the hole for the prop tube, also fitted the rudder tube. The white dusting is to show me  how much more sanding I have to do, not the final colour. I will be running the tug with a 540 motor straight on to the propshaft I like to keep to the KISS acronym. the top deck will be on the theme of the company I work for, no clues.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 08, 2007, 07:05:30 PM
I made a start on mine as well, I am building in balsa with a resin coating for strength. I used 6mm for the sides and both ends. The underside is 2mm balsa.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/HPIM0759.jpg)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/HPIM0748.jpg)

My Mum has been staying the last 9 days so i only managed to sneak in about 30 minutes of building time. We take her home tomorrow so I hope to get this project floating (even if not completed) by next Sunday.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 08, 2007, 09:30:59 PM
Great stuff, built like a battleship Other Brian and a lightweight racer from Clive. I`m just dying to see the topsides, what are going to be ?  Brit prototypes ? Euro barges, U.S. push-tugs?

Arrow's Puffer Springer progress....
(Admin)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 09, 2007, 11:31:09 AM
Of course the embarrassing thing is that I have a nasty feeling I will not have a Springer for the Mayhem weekend......

Still got to have something for Fawkes to push so it can actually sail.......

And then there is the Puffer.........

Still in the meantime, is anyone interested in me opening up a "Springer Tugs" website where we can share plans and builds and things without distracting from the more general nature of Mayhem? (I'm thinking a respository for plans, designs, tweaks, contest rules, competition results etc. etc. )

I was thinking that any plans put up on the site would effectively be under a GPL type license - free for nono-commercial use and if you modify a plan, you have to acknowledge the original and put the modified plan into the public domain as well.

Incidentally the rudder area on the rules is wrong - it should read 2500sq mm not 25 - otherwise anyone using metric dimensions will have problems

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 09, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
Tim
I think the web site would be a great idea, as there is not much information out there for building these tugs. Arrow5 I tend to over engineer things when working with wood, working with metal I find much easier as I can weld or braze it and know it will hold together.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 09, 2007, 01:37:05 PM
Well I'm hoping to get mine started this week.

Re: Website. We can either set aside a section on here for springer tugs or we can do it more formally on the main Mayhem site.

Martin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 09, 2007, 02:19:52 PM
The Springer Website is a great idea, this could become a big thing over here and not just limited to us Mayhemers :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 09, 2007, 04:10:01 PM
....as there is not much information out there for building these tugs.

Over on the US of A site, RC Groups http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762 there are some (currently) 49 pages of info on these types of Tug's.

Also http://www.springertug.com/ has some info, although at the moment limited.. but is growing.

A UK version website sounds like a good idea, plans, pics, articles, competitions, etc would certainly increase awareness of this 'type' over in the UK. When its 'up and running' could someone post a link back in RC Groups please.

Ching, (or anyone else) if you need any info on how my 2 Springers went together, i would be more than happy to answer any questions of how i did it.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 09, 2007, 04:19:51 PM
So how do we want to proceed?

If it is going to be part of Mayhem or a separate web-site just for Springers? Either way, at this stage of the game we only want one site until it is established. It is far too early for a schism.

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 09, 2007, 05:18:30 PM
Lets some Springers built and running then we'll have something to show on a site.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 09, 2007, 06:13:07 PM
I second that Admin.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 09, 2007, 07:52:05 PM
I am with Tim we only want one site, so let see a few finished and go from there.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: poll on April 09, 2007, 09:49:05 PM

   Hi  BB STE   We have a springer tug down at the pond. Eric & my self built this type
   of tug ten years ago, Built on the design of tug that Hargreaves use for pushing
   tompuddings about (  coal barges )  in Castleford & goole area.

   Regards,

   John.        POLL
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 09, 2007, 11:25:54 PM
Have Springers been around that long ? Poll we are not talking about pusher tugs in  general but the North West USA club that concocted a formula for a basic fun toy for games and general knock-about. The US ones are based typical river tugs that push enormous rakes of barges but we are trying to Internationalise the basic theme. The Castleford/Goole ones sound just the job for an English Springer from the waterline up Check the early posts in this thread and the links posted by Toesupwa.  Are you planning a Goolinger ? Show us a pic of your Hargreaves  for inspiration.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 11, 2007, 10:32:57 PM
Just spotted a post on Springer thread on RCGroups that confirms that twin motors are permitted by NW club`s rules. Still one shaft and prop.  Any progress reports this side of the pond?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on April 12, 2007, 04:35:20 AM
I wouldn't let a flat top compete, but it is Anything goes.

Here is one of those anythings, in Seattle, Washington USA, tucked in behind a few other boats...

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7661/springer12copyuh9.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 12, 2007, 07:21:58 AM
Hi Arrow5,

I have got motor and prop shaft in place and I am off to get some resin and fibreglass tissue tonight. Also need to get to Bob's Models to buy a prop as my 38 mm props are M3 not M4. Next job is to cut some polystyrene foam for the bow compartment.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0411springer0001.jpg)

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2007, 08:18:24 AM
Welcome to Mayhem Umi, you are a nice lady but :-* ......what is the theme on that one, Spring(er) in the Park ?  Then there is the "outhouse" ( dunny to our Oz builders). What say we stick to boat profiles for a bit ;)    What is your`s by the way ?  Keep us informed this side of the pond.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2007, 08:22:14 AM
No clues to your topsides Kendal ?  Heavyweight glass-cloth ?  Keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wombat on April 12, 2007, 08:26:28 AM
When Martin and I discussed it between ourselves, the thought was that if you d oa flat top, you shuold at least put something silly on top of it - hence the comment in the rules about things like rubber ducks.

Wom
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2007, 02:02:08 PM
Ducks...they are big enough for a Swan ! We already have a well established "Novelty Class" for those and Loch Ness Monsters , tea-kettles etc, wouldnt we be covering the same ground(er water) ?   Cartoon-ish or scale-sh is OK by me , even true-scale if you can find a suitable prototype and there are plenty. I say no wild-life or steaming kettles. Lets keep them Springers i.e. boats, tugs, even DUKWs but no quackers.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 12, 2007, 02:37:18 PM

I think what we're all saying is - all British Springer Tugs need to have a superstructure... of some kind.
i.e. NO Flatties... unless it's an aircraft carrier!  ;D

With a superstructure of some sort, I'm hoping it will keep things civil and prevent anyone going in for a tackle "all guns blazing" without fear of damage.

Martin. 
PS. No Guns allowed!  >:(
 

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2007, 02:44:48 PM
Radio controlled aircraft for carrier ops.....been there , done that, printed the T-shirt !   Springer size a bit tricky though.  News from Australian Springer builder (Ozspringer ?) good scale prototype if you want a militarty(sic) one with no guns. www.wasappers.com/gallery2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 12, 2007, 05:48:05 PM
No clues to your topsides Kendal ?  Heavyweight glass-cloth ?  Keep the pics coming.

Probably a tug upper to be truthful, saw a good scale one on RC  groups with stern bulwarks although I am trying to think of something humorous to put on as superstructure. Have got a muppet character I might use. Might make two superstructures.

Glassfibre Tissue, it is a fine woven mattting that you lay in place and brush resin into, means less filling and sanding. Will post before and after pics once I have done the glassing.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2007, 07:26:56 PM
Better with cloth Kendal, model aircraft wing skinning lightweight. Apply resin with old (or new) credit card, brushing not so good. Aim for 50/50 glass/resin ratio. Sand well when rock hard,couple of days and wash with thinners or detergent to kill wax which will rise to surface when cured.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 12, 2007, 08:44:39 PM
Hi Arrow5,

Thanks for the advice I will do that.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 13, 2007, 06:10:05 PM
MacSpringer sails on Loch Morlich, no running gear just floating. Pics later.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: RoryAld on April 14, 2007, 08:31:52 AM
Where can i Buy the Hull??? if anyone nows please email me: RoryAld@aol.com
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 14, 2007, 09:21:18 AM
Rory, they are not available as a commercial item. A couple of fibre-glass hulls have been produced in the USA but only as an excercise by the builders. They realy are so simple to build I dont think anyone would have difficulty in knocking one together from scrap. The profile for the sides are here in an early post in metric or imperial.  See also the posts in RCGroups link. Go on , you can do it !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 15, 2007, 07:57:31 PM
How is everyone getting on with their Springer tug builds?

I have spent part of the weekend, fibreglassing, filling and sanding the hull on mine. I am just making the rudder, then I get on with fitting the radio gear and speed control. Will be ready to be put decks on then.

Anyone know what scale they are supposed to represent?

Clive :)

1st image is the fibreglass tissue I used. 2nd image is the fibreglassed hull and the 3rd image is the sanded and primered hull.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0415misc0003.jpg)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0415misc0005.jpg)

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0415springer0023.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 15, 2007, 08:09:33 PM
The scale is 1:that-and-a-bit....  ::)

Actually it's whatever scale you say it is! I.e. an aircraft carrier will be a different scale to a one man tug... as long as it's 18 x 8 inches!

Martin.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 15, 2007, 08:33:03 PM
Good progress Kendal, glad the glassing went well. Dont forget that if you used polyester resin you wont be able to use epoxy on top of it, use polyester through-out.  I`m a bit stuck for parts waiting on mail order stuff to arrive. All the cosmetics are about done, any more detailing and she will be top-heavy ! Mulling over geared or not geared. Got a 540 motor and mount out of something but cant remember where or what it was from, just stuck it away in case it came in handy !  Are you going to fix the deck down permanently ?  I`m also thinking about keeping it removable so that I can change the top-sides to another style, maybe even another Mac Line boat. Scale I`d say anything about 1/24th or 1/32 would be about right but an aircraft carrier might be slightly different ! I do hope they evolve into semi-scale, slightly light-hearted interpretations of real craft. Are you putting the strip out from the keel to the rudder ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 15, 2007, 08:34:56 PM
Hi Martin are you psychic ? Any luck with MacSpringer on water pics ? They are are a bit dated as I`ve added the cludgie ::)

Here's Arrow5's McSpringer Puffer!

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/DSCN1503.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/DSCN1531.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/DSCN1557.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/DSCN1545.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/DSCN1501.jpg)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 15, 2007, 10:36:06 PM
Hi Arrow5,

Your Mc Puffer looks good.

As to mine the main deck will be a permanent fixture but I will build two different superstructures to fit onto it. Mine is powered by a straight drive 545 motor onto a 38mm 3 bladed nylon prop.

The two versions of superstructure that appeal the most are a life like version of a pusher and a cartoon version of the same. Was originally thinking muppets but I am leaning towards Looney toons now. Alternatively I have got a load of 1/35 vietnam era US Troops and weaponry so something along the lines of a monitor or troop carrier would be good.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 15, 2007, 11:21:57 PM
Thanks Martin.   Clive I was also thinking military or naval. maybe persuade my mate to do a FIRE thingy...a Sprinkler. Glad you like the Mac. Have a look at the Aussie bridge building craft on the other place (RCGroups) . How about the rudder support bar from keel back ? Keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 16, 2007, 06:53:59 AM
Hi,

Yes I am fitting one need to get to the model shop for some brass strip. I did see the bridge building craft.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 16, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
HI ARROW 5
                 I GOT MINE UP AND RUNNING AND TOOK IT TO BALNE ON SUNDAY , ENTRED IT IN SINGLE TOW CLEAR ROUND FIRST PLACE ! HOWS THAT.  ;D I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE TOP ,SO IT HAD AN OIL BARREL WITH THE CREW INSIDE
 IT HANDELS BRILL.
                        SEE YOU IN MAY CHEERS STEVE J.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Younger at 70 on April 16, 2007, 07:03:56 PM
And here are some pics of it at Balne on Sunday
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 16, 2007, 07:06:36 PM
Great result, show us a picture of the "Barrelinger".  May hmmmm, dunno yet, unless you are coming North ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 16, 2007, 07:09:02 PM
Thanks ...Youngat65;you are psychic too.  Why not a cargo-load of barrels ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 16, 2007, 10:04:31 PM
Martin you said no guns on the decks , haow about a couple of these
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/directusbstore.jpg)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 16, 2007, 10:34:18 PM
That's those 'desktop USB missiles' aren't they?
OK non lethal guns and armaments allowed  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 16, 2007, 10:42:06 PM
great ! now all i have to do is build a spinger ,fit it out and work out how to opperate one of these via rc.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 17, 2007, 05:07:06 AM
HI ARROW 5
                 I GOT MINE UP AND RUNNING AND TOOK IT TO BALNE ON SUNDAY , ENTRED IT IN SINGLE TOW CLEAR ROUND FIRST PLACE ! HOWS THAT.  ;D I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE TOP ,SO IT HAD AN OIL BARREL WITH THE CREW INSIDE
 IT HANDELS BRILL.
                        SEE YOU IN MAY CHEERS STEVE J.

Congratulations BB STE!..  ;D

I think that qualifies as TWO firsts.. First Springer in the UK on the water (under power.. Sorry Arrow).. and a first place first time out...

.... or is that three firsts...  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 17, 2007, 07:50:36 AM
I`ll give it three !  ( curses to himself, damn model shops on every street corner down there. Still postman might have goodies for me this week).
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 17, 2007, 03:16:40 PM


what ya gonna call; the boat, USS / MBMS Trident? (Model Boat Mayhem Springer)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 17, 2007, 06:20:09 PM
HI TOESUPWA
                    THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS, ALL THE WAY FROM SUNNY 8) CALIFORNIA (HOPFULLY) APPOLOGIES FOR THE STATE OF THE TUG, WORK STARTS SOON ON THE TOP!!
                         CHEERS STEVE J  ;D
                     
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugger on April 18, 2007, 10:03:52 AM
BB Ste
What rules are we going to be using for springers around here. I personally think we make them as simple as possible . ie. single prop of a set size (38mm 3 blade), a single rudder of set size (4sq inches), no korts of any type, superstructure of set minimum (4"x4"). Max voltage of 7.2v, 540 3 or 5 pole motors, no gearing allowed, hull size ar per the american design.
If we keep the rules as simple as possible it minimizes loopholes. The more complex the rules the greater scope for interpretation. Also if they are simple and cheap to build it may help encourage novices to build them.
Having two classes of springer restricted and unrestricted also complicates the issue.
What does everyone think? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 18, 2007, 10:17:45 AM
Hi Tugger
I thought Martin had set simple rules earlier in this thread.

Restrited class:
18" x 8" inch hull size and floor shape as per plan.
Single Motor up to 540 size ( gearing etc. allowed )
Up to 7.2 volts
SINGLE RUDDER BLADE TYPE up 4" Sq.
Must have a superstructure of some sort.

Unlimited Class:
As above except;
Any rudder arrangement up 4" Sq.
SINGLE MOTOR but any propeller arrangement you can invent.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 18, 2007, 10:45:05 AM
I think the simpler mechanics the better myself (although 4"X4" superstructure is a bit minimilist, they have got to be crowd pleasers too).   Do we want a "super class" ?  It sort of goes against the concept of a boat for all.  The more expert have dozens of choices in other types of boats to show their skills.  The basic original VW idea.  Adding multi channels for functions such as water squirting, cannon firing, crew waving etc on the basic UK version could be an option for the more adventurist. If we`d wanted a better boat we wouldn`t have started with a Springer.  My 2groats worth.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 18, 2007, 03:42:57 PM

What rules are we going to be using for springers around here. I personally think we make them as simple as possible . ie. single prop of a set size (38mm 3 blade), a single rudder of set size (4sq inches), no korts of any type, superstructure of set minimum (4"x4"). Max voltage of 7.2v, 540 3 or 5 pole motors, no gearing allowed, hull size ar per the american design.....
.......
Having two classes of springer restricted and unrestricted also complicates the issue.

I thought we had covered this back in post 58.....  :'(

If you want a different set of rules to those already set out on the US site, then alter the rules... but it wont be a Springer any longer.

Imperial OR metric hull.... prop 1 1/2" or closest metric... Single rudder 4 sq inches (No Korts)...  any motor, but limited by voltage.. Gearing allowed..

Voltage, 6v SLA's are cheaper, heavier, and will give longer running times (can i hear an echo in here?)..

Could i suggest that all boats, either 6v or 7.2v powered must sit at the waterline as per plan. That should level the playing field for everyone..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on April 18, 2007, 03:50:38 PM
can we get a to know soon as to the rules as I have been the last few days building my belt drive, and if they are not now allowed then its bean a waist of time.. the only thing that I think we have  to watch for is that they are of scale appearance so they don't look like straight runners that where about a few years ago ,I think they called them coffins or some think like that.

Peter
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 18, 2007, 05:39:42 PM
I agree with Toes on the waterline reg. I`m all for gearing or belt-drive if you have a choice. Direct is my route just for cheapness and simplicity but if I get more into it then I`d probably gear it just to see. Wont be a waste of time Peter, just get it done. I also agree that "flatties" should be discouraged but you dont have to go over the top as I did with the McPuffer. I just had time on my hands waitng of bits . The top-side is where some of the fun will come in and add to spectator appeal, make them all different except for the hull.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 18, 2007, 05:50:35 PM
I have a build query regarding the Springer Tugs. These tugs sit really low in the water and in some cases ship water over the deck. Sitting this low will I get a problem with water coming up the rudder tube. I have seen an American plan for a Springer Limited Class and they talk about putting a stuffing box on top of the rudder tube. I really do  not want my tug emulating a sub.

Any thoughts on this.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 18, 2007, 05:58:01 PM
I have a build query regarding the Springer Tugs. These tugs sit really low in the water and in some cases ship water over the deck. Sitting this low will I get a problem with water coming up the rudder tube. I have seen an American plan for a Springer Limited Class and they talk about putting a stuffing box on top of the rudder tube. I really do  not want my tug emulating a sub.

Any thoughts on this.

The other Brian

Hi Brian,

The top of my ruder tube is about an inch above teh water line but I have put an o ring on the underwater side of my rudder tube. I am also going to inject vaseline down it to slow the ingress of water.  As a final precaution I have built the rudder compartment into a reasonably water tight area.

Question for Toesupwa, I have two different drawings to build a springer and neither have a waterline marked on them. I have marked mine using the US photos as a guide. Subsequently it sits very low in the water. Where can I see some model drawings with the waterline on?

Clive :)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 18, 2007, 06:02:29 PM
Sitting this low will I get a problem with water coming up the rudder tube.

Both of my Springers are as per the US plan and have the rudder tubes at or just above the waterline.. but only just. As yet i hav'nt had any water getting in to the hull, either through the rudder tube, Prop tube or over the coaming.
As long as your rudder post is a good fit in the tube and its well greased, you shouldnt have a problem
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 18, 2007, 06:07:02 PM

Question for Toesupwa, I have two different drawings to build a springer and neither have a waterline marked on them. I have marked mine using the US photos as a guide. Subsequently it sits very low in the water. Where can I see some model drawings with the waterline on?

Clive :)



Try this link... http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=1003278 (A PDF drawing)

Or here is my CAD Springer side view
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 18, 2007, 07:56:20 PM
Guys

Thanks for the info, looks like I wll have to alter my rudder tube, she will not be getting wet this weekend. Clive the link towsupwa has posted is the one I have used there are quite a few good drawings and pictures there. I have also just joined that forum, no I am not deserting MAYHEM just want to see what other info people have on these tugs. :) :)

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 18, 2007, 08:05:29 PM
This is the waterline on mine.  http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843999 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843999)

Although I built it to these two drawings http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843733 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843733) and http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843734 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=843734)

Need to upload some pictures of mine. I am now ready to put the deck on this weekend.

I have got the following ballast:-

6v 4ah SLA (Main Drive)
2 off 6v 2ah (just for weight)
slab of lead (4x2 inches and 3/8 thick)
and a rechargeable flight pack for the radio gear. And still not near waterline. That will teach me to build it light in Balsa and fibreglass  ;D


Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 18, 2007, 08:15:59 PM


Re: Motor rules.
Any Single motor you like - up to 540/550 / Speed 600.
Voltage - up to 7.2v
ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!

You can fit steam if you wish,  jet turbines also allowed no IC or Diesel engines or Pulse Jets  ::)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 18, 2007, 08:40:50 PM


Re: Motor rules.
Any Single motor you like - up to 540/550 / Speed 600.
Voltage - up to 7.2v
ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!

You can fit steam if you wish,  jet turbines also allowed no IC or Diesel engines or Pulse Jets  ::)



Hi Martin,

What about Estes rocket motors   ;D

I was reading an article in a 1996 copy of model boats today, about someone who had done exactly that  ::)

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 18, 2007, 09:43:05 PM
I have got the following ballast:-

6v 4ah SLA (Main Drive)
2 off 6v 2ah (just for weight)
slab of lead (4x2 inches and 3/8 thick)
and a rechargeable flight pack for the radio gear. And still not near waterline. That will teach me to build it light in Balsa and fibreglass  ;D

Erm... erm.. ermmm... Can i say "I told you so" now?...  :-*

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on April 18, 2007, 09:56:33 PM
thats why I want to use a gear box so I can place a 6v 10ah battery dead centre f the boat and the motor at one end with servo and receiver and esc at the other.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 21, 2007, 12:53:21 AM

Here's the start of my Springer Tug, kindly prepared by the "Bradders machine"
It';s going to be a Fireboat Springer, based on Playmobil toy parts!   :-)


Edit:   Martin's Springer build here:   http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/Springer/index.htm

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/PICT5976.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/PICT5974.jpg)

(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/MBmayhem/PICT5980.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 21, 2007, 08:12:21 AM
Good start, any ideas about the top ?(http://)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on April 21, 2007, 05:49:38 PM
Here's mine in the style of a British Waterways Bantam tug......
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 21, 2007, 06:04:04 PM
Good , very Brit.  Now a narrowboat with roses and castles or a decorated barge, buttie?  Maybe a weed-machine  with a childs toy crane, Hi-Ab or similar ? Any more in construction?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 21, 2007, 08:20:16 PM
Me and dad are building one each but you will have to wait untill the Mayhem weekend to see them. ;D ;D ;D ;D
  Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 22, 2007, 05:25:26 AM
Me and dad are building one each but you will have to wait untill the Mayhem weekend to see them. ;D ;D ;D ;D
  Hannah.

Way to go Hanna!!!!!

Keep us posted on progress eh... even if we cant see them.. :'(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 22, 2007, 08:21:36 AM
Me and dad started building our hulls 2 days ago. We have installed the electrics, I did mine on my own and I am making the top today.

 Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 22, 2007, 08:39:45 AM
A speed-build Hanna  :D! Get dad`to get his camera out. Is your`s going to be "lady-like" ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 22, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
Not telling it will be a surprise!!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 22, 2007, 10:16:11 AM
So that is it`s name .."Hanna`s Surprise" but what is it going to look like ?  ;) Oh well , we`ll just have to wait and see. I see another "first" or two here. First UK lady Springer pilot, youngest UK Springer pilot.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 22, 2007, 06:59:58 PM
Since arrow5 mentioned these tugs they have certainly taken off. It looks like there will be quite a few at the Mayhem weekend. After that Martin will have to organise a Springer Tug competition ;D ;D ;D.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on April 22, 2007, 07:04:47 PM
nearly finished my springer, hannah only needs to finish building her superstructure and finish painting it.
we are bringing 4 springers up with us!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 22, 2007, 08:43:42 PM

Springer Olympics.

Team Games:
Football - 15 Minute matches
Tug of war - Even teams of 2 or more.
Relay race - Around a short course.


Individual Games:
Fetch the stick - against the clock
Show jumping / steering comptition - against the clock
Penalty shootout - one on one.
Darts - like straightline running but you can't use your rudder.
Great egg race - balance an egg / ball around a course on a shallow plate - against the clock!



...... Discuss!  ;D


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on April 22, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
sounds pretty good martin, should keep us all amused for a few hours, how about the relay race pushing a football around a course, how about a steering course blindfolded following a team mates directions
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 23, 2007, 05:44:53 AM
Tigger and Templeton attended their first regatta today...

Tigger scored the winning goal in the football after running the full length of the pitch..

Mrs Toes captaining Templeton came a respectable 4th in the under 24" navigation class...

..oh... and Tigger came FIRST in the under 24" navigation class.  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 23, 2007, 05:47:44 AM
Keep it up Hannah!... Sounds like you are doing well!...
Mrs Toes loves Captaining Templeton, I'm sure you will enjoy your Springer.

Mr Forum Administrator... YES!, those sound like a fun set of 'games' for Springers to play..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 23, 2007, 08:20:03 PM
Blimey Hannah 4 Springers, are you and your dad going into business selling these tugs. ;) ;)
Can not wait to see your designs, and the designs of everyone.
Martin that looks like an interesting set of challenges, will you have an easy competition for us newbies along the line of trying not to sink anyone else or ramming the bank flat out ;D ;D

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on April 23, 2007, 08:43:32 PM
hello the other brian, my wife is having one of the hulls and the lad we foster is also building one. hannah's boat will be having her first top secret sea trials this weekend at our local pond. i am also building another two for some friends who live around the corner who want to have a go so thats SIX!!!!! in total does anyone else want one ;D ;D its all i seem to be doing at the moment!!!

ps i dont think hannah's ark royal will be getting wet at wicksteed.

 mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 23, 2007, 09:46:36 PM
Mark

Six blimey Hannah and you can not be sleeping. ;D
Who ever you buy your modeling supplies from must think they have won the lottery ;D ;D. It will be great to see your efforts in May.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on April 24, 2007, 04:15:55 AM
Idea for a game.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 24, 2007, 10:04:02 PM
               ...Hi Guys...

Should I start thinking about a Springer Course for our Tug-In at Largs in Scotland on June 17th...

Maybe we could have a Scottish Special  McSpringer Highland Games...

Tossing The Caber...Throwing The Hammer...Haggis Hurling...Highland Dancing...Bagpipe Bursting...

I am going to a meeting at Largs tomorrow night & I will pass on a set of Springer Plans to the guys down there to get building....

I am going to build one myself when I come home from my holidays...

...Och Aye Thi Noo...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 24, 2007, 11:06:03 PM
Hi, Norry

Good idea having springers at the tug-in. Good news on my springer "The Shelf" i took it to Balne again on sunday for the scale steering, SECOND PLACE!! in small boats ;D.
So... England vs Scotland football match?
By the way have you any information on the July 29th Scottish federation do?

Cheers, Steve j ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 24, 2007, 11:17:18 PM
Wheest Norrie a heelan gems at LARGS on the Costa Clyde near Englishshire, shoorly shum mishtake. How about Loch Insh  second week-end in Sept? See THE Original MacSpringer and the Team Spruffer playing shinty !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 25, 2007, 08:38:01 AM
Hi Arrow 5,

Finally figured out a top for mine, going for either an RNLI Tyne Class superstructure or a US Coastguard SAR superstructure. Either way it will be Search and Rescue. Love the photo of the Invincible on the RC Groups forum. Is that you hitching a lift?

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 10:06:03 AM
Good choices Clive, USCG very colourful (colorful !) but I`d go for the RNLI lifeboat at first just to show the Brit varation on the theme. USCG for your alternate top or next Springer ?  Re RO5, dont know which pic you mean on RCGroups but yes it is a manned(me) model at 31ft.  More on msn.groups.com/MannedModelShips  I`ll try to put pic up here later.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
(http://)Alternate Fire-boat/ Air Sea Rescue top for MacSpringer. Pic of RO5 with tugs at Ellesmere port and tug pilot. OOPs to many pixels on the Fireboat picture, I`ll try again.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 25, 2007, 10:49:42 AM
The one on this link http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1208708 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1208708)

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
Yep that is moi , with suitable vintage lifejacket ! The outboard handle/tiller is between my knees and I steer her with "bend-ze-knees" skiing action.  When in clear water I can sit down with deck at eye level. Somebody suggested a Sea King hat to hide the top of my head ! Taken at Portsoy Wooden Boat Show a few years ago. Good event, full-size stuff and a few models,seafood, music, fishing boat race and a great harbour-side pub .
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on April 25, 2007, 01:22:09 PM
Are there any Tug events coming up at Ellesmere port?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 03:10:34 PM
I think the Boat Museum at Ellesmere is out of the model boat scene but the display team shown in RO5 pic is based in the Wirral somewhere I think. Model Boats or Marine Modelling magazines should have a list of dates.  Sure to be tug enthusiasts here on mayhem.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 06:54:19 PM
Loch Insh fireboat "Sprinkler" ( alternate top for MacSpringer)(http://)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 06:56:07 PM
"Sprinkler" stern view.(http://)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on April 25, 2007, 07:12:06 PM
HI ALL.
          AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS A M.M.M. TUG COMP AT ELESMERE ON 6th MAY (SUNDAY) 2 MAN, 3 MAN, AND SINGLE SCREW  ,FOR MORE DETAILS CONTACT MINI STEVE AS HE IS A MEMBER OF ELSMERE CLUB.
SHOULD BE A GOOD DAYS TOWING, AS THEY ALLWAYS PUT OUT A GOOD COURSE. MOST IMPORTANT BRING A TUG OR TWO AND HAVE A GO!! ;D ;D
      CHEERS STEVE J  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 10:54:35 PM
Is it still at the Boat Museum ? A great place to visit for any reason.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 25, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
Hi Arrow 5,

The fireboat looks good, are those drums 1:24 scale perchance? If so can you tell me where to buy a set from?

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 25, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
Oil drums from Hunter Systems (1/24th-ish) item# GRM003  , £1.50 pair.  24 Aspen Road, Eastbourne , east Sussex. BN22 0TG . tel.01323 503336. www.huntersystems.co.uk  What are they for Clive....?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 26, 2007, 05:05:41 AM
  ...Hi Guys...


I have just downloaded the plans for a Springer Tug from the link at the front page of the site...

A couple of  questions before i start to build my boat...

The hull in the plan has a flat deck from bow to stern, But the Springer in the picture has a rise in the deck from the stern up to the bow...

Is there any ruling on the shape of the upper part of the hull at the deck level...

Would i be able to install a 6 volt Decaperm motor with 2.75/1 reduction gears  or is this too big...

My Springer will be built in Damen Stantug tradition...the name will be "STANTUG SPRINGER"

 ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 26, 2007, 07:13:10 AM
Norry the upper line is optional curved or straight. I suppose the stern vertical is as shown, curve will help with drainage. Havent a clue re motor. There are warnings on RCGroups about over-powering them, they go "submarine". Prop size should determine motor I guess. Gears ?  BTW that is a good site (Williams) even got line drawings for  semi-scale, good pics for colour schemes for Brit Springers. Got some pics of your build?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 26, 2007, 08:24:20 AM
Oil drums from Hunter Systems (1/24th-ish) item# GRM003  , £1.50 pair.  24 Aspen Road, Eastbourne , east Sussex. BN22 0TG . tel.01323 503336. www.huntersystems.co.uk  What are they for Clive....?

I could tell you, but I would have to kill you ;D

Actually, they are for this  - http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumpy_golightly/sets/72157600012014867/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumpy_golightly/sets/72157600012014867/). I would post a photo but Photobucket is down for maintenance.

If built to instructions the model has a big box on the well deck for the rudder servo, however I am going to use a closed loop wire system for the rudder and paint the rudder arm to match the deck so it isn't too noticeable. I also have a micro servo to mount over the propshaft inside. The full size PBRs used to carry oil drums etc lashed down in the well deck so I can use them to partly hide the rudder arm. I am also adding a semi detailed cockpit to it.

Clive

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 26, 2007, 10:47:38 AM
My lips are sealed ! Interesting mods with closed loop, you an aeromodeller too? How about empty 35mm film canisters for oil drums?  Rarities now but some pro photographers might be a source, free. Your local 1hr photo lab just bins them, Boots et al. If they are going to be a big load a couple of scale ones visible and some camo netting over the film tubs will give the illusion that they are all scale. Good military/M.O.D. ideas for Springer.    BTW;  Look for a couple of Arrow5 pics on Flickr.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 26, 2007, 11:00:14 AM
The old kodak tubs with the grey lids are perfect size for funnel base on a Vic Smeed Tiddler ;D I still have some 35mm canisters left although I tend to shoot exclusively with Digital cameras these days.

I also saved about 1/2 dozen of the persil washing tablet bags to cut up and use as camo nets etc.

That was my wife's account for the pibber. I also have a flickr account under Kendalboatsman which I started 3 weeks ago.  :)

Will be ordering off Hunter Systems in the next week then.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: g7tmu on April 26, 2007, 02:39:31 PM
I saw this 'Springer' type tug in Southampton harbour yesterday. We were getting a few problems sorted on a full-size yacht, ready for the Round the Island race in June.

Victor (g7tmu)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 26, 2007, 03:20:33 PM
Good catch Victor, thanks. Hope that inspires Brit Springer builders.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 26, 2007, 05:50:14 PM
Just a little teaser ;D ;D ;D here are some pics of my springer. I have finished it now and I am now helping dad finish the others.

 Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 27, 2007, 09:16:30 AM
...Good Morning Guys...

A couple of wee suggestions for a Club Fleet of Springers...

Why not build the Starr Fleet from the kids tv series TUGS...or from the other kids programme Theodore Tugboat...

There are a few characters in each programme so each member could build a different character & complete the set... Would look good at Open Days...

My son wants me to build him a Theodore Tugboat Springer so that will be my 2nd Springer build...

A search on Google will find a fleet list & some pictures if any one is interested...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 27, 2007, 10:23:25 AM
This picture has been posted on Tugtalk  today by John Forsyth...

Are these Springers... they are named ."ESSO BAYPORT" & "ESSO BAYTOWN"

....Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 27, 2007, 10:42:18 AM
Great idea about pleasing kids with Theodores and Tugz etc but sure as .... there will be a copyright lawyer just waiting to pounce >:(. Avoid recognisable characters and come up with our own faces/characters and maybe the boot(boat) would be on the other foot when "they" want a "Tugsy Tam" or a "Wee Hamish the Puffer"  Anti-smoking advertising campaign execs form a queue here on that one  8)!  The two Esso "Springers?" are great BTW.  Any word about Largs ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 27, 2007, 11:51:19 AM

No mention of the two 'Arms' at the bow for holding a ball  (or locate and catch one)

Do these have to protrude permanently or hinge upwards in any way ?

Just an armchair designer at the moment.    ;D


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 27, 2007, 12:35:49 PM

No mention of the two 'Arms' at the bow for holding a ball  (or locate and catch one)

Do these have to protrude permanently or hinge upwards in any way ?

Just an armchair designer at the moment.    ;D


Cheers...Ken

Hi Ken,

I am probably wrong but I assumed the ball etc would be manoeuvred by catching it between the two pusher posts on the bow. Can anyone clarify this please?

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 27, 2007, 02:33:05 PM
For the ball games, water-polo etc the addition of two coil spring door stops are screwed onto the flat bow about where the knees (pusher posts) are. Have a look at the early posts in RCGroups (Boat talk - Springer ). There are drawings of the type of spring( B&Q etc) on some of the plans on that site too.  I reckon they don't need to be fitted unless you are a Polo player but might be needed for other capers, retrieving bath ducks, down planes etc etc.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on April 27, 2007, 03:43:11 PM
My Springer Hull is now complete and I have started on the Superstructure..............


Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 27, 2007, 04:52:29 PM

No mention of the two 'Arms' at the bow for holding a ball  (or locate and catch one)

Do these have to protrude permanently or hinge upwards in any way ?


The ball (or any other floating object) can be caught between the 'push knees' on the bow of the Springer.. However something like a round ball will roll away from the bow due to the wave created by the Springer as it moves forwards. The addition of the door 'Springs' or door stops helps catch and retain the ball in front of the Springer hull.
The Knees also are usefull for pushing larger boats for recovery and manouvering.

See my construction pics earlier in this thread and the links to plans / RC Groups thread for details of the push knees and Springs used.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 27, 2007, 05:03:50 PM
  ...Hi Arrow5...

As long as the boats are not being used for private profit then the lawyer can go jump in the other end of the pond...(The end where theres nobody to pull him out & the lifebelt is missing)...

My father & I built a Thomas The Tank Engine several years ago that was bolted onto a sit-on Lawnmower tractor.It pulled 2 carraiges made from old bogies which were given to us by ICI.

This was used by a mate & his son to raise funds for churches & other organisations at Garden Fetes ect. It was very popular everywhere it went...

We got a letter from ERTL,s Lawyers telling us to stop using the train & cut it up or else they would sue us for copyright...We explained that it was used for charity work & not for persnal gain, But were then asked for copies of all documents & receipts for moneys in & out.

We proved to the lawyer that it was for charity work & they withdrew their request, But then received a letter from another lawyer (probably the first lawyers mate) asking us to show all insurance documentation for the train or stop using it immediately...

The train was dismantled anyway as we were not going to get into another legal battle...

So I,m building my son a THEODORE SPRINGER and the lawyers can go take a jump...

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 27, 2007, 06:03:17 PM
Hello everyone, I couldn't wait until the Mayhem weekend to show you all my springer!!! ::) ::)
The hull is made from 6mm ply sides and 1.5mm ply for the hull bottom. The motor is from an old r.c. car as are the battery packs.
The superstructure is made from balsa wood and thin ply, I did nearly all the work on her with only a little bit of help from my dad and I built it in 5 days and I am very pleased with how she looks. See you at the Mayhem weekend.

  Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on April 27, 2007, 06:13:38 PM
Your springer has put a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 27, 2007, 06:14:01 PM
Hannah...

That little Springer you have produced looks STUNNING.. Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forwards to some 'on the water' pics... and a report too.... ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 27, 2007, 07:48:05 PM

Great Stuff Everyone !

Springers have taken over the front page of Model Boat Mayhem too!

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/ (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/)

PS. Biggest Model Ship in the world???? -  http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/Yamato-Model.html (http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/Yamato-Model.html)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 27, 2007, 08:01:25 PM
I have just seen Hannahs Springer, WOW!!! well done again Hannah brilliant design you wont loose sight of that on the water.
I can see I will have to have a chat with you at the MAYHEM Weekend to get some tips on speed of construction.

Well Done again Hannah

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 27, 2007, 08:07:28 PM
I will be doing a write up for Model Boats on the weekend so be prepared to pose with your Springer Hannah!

Colin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 27, 2007, 08:15:56 PM
Well done Hannah(the Speedy). Any sneak previews of Dad`s ?  Norry; Theodore ! OOOh ! Yank lawyers  :o  I know about Thom**s the T**k probs via the local steam railway. NO COMMENT NEEDED !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ministeve on April 28, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
hear hear Norry i agree too world would be a little bit better without so many lawyers  he he. arrow 5 i was one of the tug towers at the boat museum that towed HMS invincible and on all the lads behalf can i say it was brilliant and we all wish we could do it again but understand it would cost the earth boohoo  :'(  also we sail most Thursday nights at e port and attend most tugtows in the northen part of england and soon Scotland (the English are coming Norry) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 28, 2007, 11:51:17 PM
 Look Stevie...the English wont be the first to come to Largs & get their Ar**s Kicked...
Just ask the first Viking that you see in the street...
I,ve been working on my barges this week...Fitted them both with bilge hkeels & one of them with a working crane...
We are still on the lookout for a large GRP Hull that we could make a large tow from...Just like HUDSON BAY at EllesmerePort...Have a wee look about for us down there...

       ...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ministeve on April 29, 2007, 12:03:48 AM
will do mate and us scousers eat vikings for breakfast ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ministeve on April 29, 2007, 12:05:41 AM
Scots for tea i hope (big gulp) :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 29, 2007, 07:33:51 AM
A group of lawyers were fishing offshore in shark infested waters and one fell overboard , a crew member shouted "Sharks ! man overboard" and rushed to help. One of the lawyers said " dont worry, he`ll be ok", the crew member shouted "Why?".   "Professional courtesy" was the reply.  I tried to teach my dog to bite lawyers but he wouldnt touch tainted meat.  The difference between a dead skunk on the road and a dead lawyer on the road? No skid marks in front of the lawyer. A lawyer was killed while chasing an ambulance, he didnt see the reversing lights were on. Cant remember the rest of these quotes from RCGroups boaties.   Stevie; Whitehaven too far to come for another go at RO5 and a couple of other "biggies"? That was a great day at Ellesmere on the canal.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 29, 2007, 01:09:19 PM
Hello everyone, I got my boat wet for the first time today and I am very pleased with the way it goes. ;D It turns in a couple of boat lengths and I was very suprised how fast it went and it also does a good impression of a submarine on full power, I think it was the prop, we used an x35 as it was the only one we had at the time and it lifted the back up alot, we will also need to adust the ballast and put less weight in the front and a bit more in the back.
My dad took some pictures of me sailing it I hope you like them.

 Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on April 29, 2007, 02:58:51 PM
Hi Hannah

It looks good on the water. Well done.

I have another question/comment.
I notice a couple of nice schooners in the background.
The three masted one looks very nice.

Who owns them? Are they a club member?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on April 29, 2007, 03:20:33 PM
Hi Hannah (&Dad),  tug looks as good on here as it did up at Cwmbran this morning. Me and my dad and sister could see it from the other end of the lake it is so bright and cheery.

It'll be a race against time for my dad to build one before Graham finishes his Alkhubar tug build sometime in June.
So little time on his hands and he has to clear out the shed to make work space (Mummy not impressed with him using dining table for hobbies).

Good luck at mayhem weekend (Your dad said you were going)
see you at the lake next time our dad doesnt take us to Sunday school. (Mummy not impressed... again!!!) >:(

Dominic & Francesca :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on April 29, 2007, 05:15:41 PM
Hi tigertiger, I don't know who owns the other boat in the picture as I have not belonged to the club for very long but he is a club member, I will try to find out for you and get some more pics for you.

Mogsy why not pm me and I might be able to talk dad into building one for you if your dad hasn't got time.

 Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on April 30, 2007, 02:32:55 AM
Hi Hannah

Your Dad is gonna love you for offereing his boat building services  :D :D :D


Thanks for the info about the Schooners. And good luck at the Mayhem weekend.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on April 30, 2007, 10:50:22 AM
I think you'd need a strong stomach to sail on one of these, and some dry clothes for after.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 30, 2007, 11:31:24 AM
Hi FTF,

That looks fun, makes me think I should make my lifeboat version self righting ;D

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 30, 2007, 11:36:55 AM
Wheee ! you`ve got bow-thrusters fitted in that one, 4 wheel drift on the bottom pic. ;D  You better read the posts on the RCGroups forum about how they handle and how "wet" they can be. Hanna found out about their submarine tendencies  :-[! They aint speed-boats by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 30, 2007, 11:58:09 AM
"Sprinkler" fireboat hits the water on MacPuffer`s still engine-less hull. Must flash the plastic soon  :(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on April 30, 2007, 12:10:54 PM
Hi Arrow5,

I already read about how wet they are before I started building mine, hence the foam and watertight compartments in case it capsizes. I will build the superstructure and try to get it water/air tight like on the ECO class fast electric. That way if I do roll it, it should self right. I have only ever sunk two boats and that was two too many ;D

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 30, 2007, 01:24:40 PM
Good idea , floatation compartments going in mine too.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 30, 2007, 07:17:26 PM
I think you'd need a strong stomach to sail on one of these, and some dry clothes for after.

LOL...  ;D

Now THATS a Springer roll!

Try to keep the batteries as low in the hull as possible, a coaming inside your access as high as possible.. and build the superstructure as light as possible.  Yes they will heel over... and become submarines if you try going TOO fast... I've packed the corners (see earlier construction pics) of the hull with foam to try and add floatation... though i doubt if it will help in a 'real crash dive'.. :'(

Tigger wont roll right over even though the 'heel' is considerable in a tight turn. Templeton, with a lighter superstructure doesnt heel over as much.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 30, 2007, 07:21:21 PM
"Sprinkler" fireboat hits the water on MacPuffer`s still engine-less hull. Must flash the plastic soon  :(

Niiiiiiicccceeee job Arrow.....

Two thumbs up from Mrs Toes.... and Mr Toes! (or should that be toes up?)  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on April 30, 2007, 08:19:24 PM
when me and hannah took her springer out last sunday we took it carefully to start with, however hannah did sail her boat across the wake of another boat, her springer submarined as she was going fairly fast at the time and the water was half way up the superstructure for 2/3 seconds, i thought holy sh1t she is a goner but she came back to the surface we brought it back in to check for water inside and it was bone dry. we have got no floatation in it just a light, very close fitting superstructure and coaming which is about 1 inch high.

 mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 04, 2007, 08:47:44 PM
Thanks Toesies ;D. It is a bit quiet in here...everybody busy sailing or building during this hot Spring period here in UK ? Any new Anglo-Springers?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 04, 2007, 09:06:59 PM

I'm building a Fireboat Springer - a Sprinkler!  ;D

.... where can I get a sound module with a British "Deee Daaar" 2 tone horn?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on May 04, 2007, 09:38:21 PM
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=25238&doy=4m5
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 04, 2007, 09:54:39 PM
Thanks Toesies ;D. It is a bit quiet in here...everybody busy sailing or building during this hot Spring period here in UK ? Any new Anglo-Springers?

Or repairing decorating damage  :(

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0430house0002.jpg)

Nearly re-plastered the blown sections of plaster so I can make a start on the springer's superstructure.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 05, 2007, 10:29:08 AM

I'm building a Fireboat Springer - a Sprinkler!  ;D

Bah ..copy cat, I`ll just have call mine "Skoosher" then >:(. Have a look at Umi`s on the "other place" (under Voight-Schnieder available in Dock Talk). An inspiration and a tour de force, LA Fireboat 2, talented lady.  Wondering about squirting water, any ideas for novice, windscreen washers , needs 12v ?

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 05, 2007, 10:34:28 AM
Come on Kendal, we all know you just mixed too much filler so you can fill-in the dings on your Springer !  Looks like shum mishtake on my lasht poshht :-[
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 05, 2007, 02:03:27 PM

Naa, I just got some red paint lying around!  ::)


Bah ..copy cat, I`ll just have call mine "Skoosher" then >:(. Have a look at Umi`s on the "other place" (under Voight-Schnieder available in Dock Talk). An inspiration and a tour de force, LA Fireboat 2, talented lady.  Wondering about squirting water, any ideas for novice, windscreen washers , needs 12v ?

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 05, 2007, 03:42:17 PM

I'm building a Fireboat Springer - a Sprinkler!  ;D
Wondering about squirting water, any ideas for novice, windscreen washers , needs 12v ?

Yes, it can be done with a washer pump.. but on 12v... you might want to try it on 6v to see how effective it is or try to find a 6v pump...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 05, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
That is terrific Toes. Is it yours?  The monitors are nice, custom made? Not much red paint required then  ::)   P.S. Oh yes it is your`s ! Had another look and spotted your trademark distress flag signal again( inverted Union Flag)  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 05, 2007, 05:56:54 PM


..... a couple of links for Fireboaters...!


http://www.vac-u-boat.com/FireBoat.htm (http://www.vac-u-boat.com/FireBoat.htm)

http://www.vac-u-boat.com/Don's%20Fire%20Boat.htm (http://www.vac-u-boat.com/Don's%20Fire%20Boat.htm)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 05, 2007, 07:47:22 PM
Thanks Boss, is this going to end up "getting it up over the playground wall" ???? ( Oh how we laughed  ;D) 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tobyker on May 05, 2007, 09:00:02 PM
In order to reduce submarining tendencies at full chat, how about a wing on the end of the skeg to prevent the stern lifting? If it's fixed, it's not a rudder, and indeed if you used twin rudders it could be a rudder post end support bracket and not a wing at all, oh dear me no.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 05, 2007, 11:28:19 PM
Here's mine in the style of a British Waterways Bantam tug......

would you believe thats exactly the superstructure I had in mind for mine? 

I'm afraid after seeing the whole "Springer" thing in the main site and seeing the print out side elevations, the idea kept nagging at the back of my mind to make one.  Finally after handing in my DT coursework and having a whole morning of nought to do in the school workshop, I grabbed some wood and built the hull.  Then this morning I kept looking at it and thought, "hmm better make it go".  A quick bit of scrap box raiding and I was able to produce a lot of the hardware needed.  I'm getting an old RC set off a friend for a fiver next week so hopefully I should have a working hull by the end of Wednesday, or not, I suspect the transmitter is a goner  :-\, at least I'll get a reciever and some servos, and I can just use Willits transmitter.  Unfortunately I made mine a little bit too long, more like 19 and a half inches!  Also I only had a 2 bladed prop handy for the prop shaft I used.  And yes before anyone asks, the bow and transom (not to mention a lot of the rest of it) is made out of 2 x 1 softwood.  I'm afraid my school doesn't go in for things like balsa, it was all I could do to get the thin ply for the bottom!  You know I said I did a bit of scrap box raiding?  By that I mean I forcibly removed (hammer) all the fittings from an old piranha boat that really was past it, which is why the prop tube is covered in old epoxy!

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1815.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1814.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1813.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 06, 2007, 10:00:08 AM
In order to reduce submarining tendencies at full chat, how about a wing on the end of the skeg to prevent the stern lifting? If it's fixed, it's not a rudder, and indeed if you used twin rudders it could be a rudder post end support bracket and not a wing at all, oh dear me no.
                                                                                                                                                                                                           How about the bar that comes out from the keel to the bottom of the rudder, is anybody fitting them ? This could be the place to put "wings" or plates to stop the ploughing. I get the feeling some folk have forgotten the concept of a tug. If you want to go fast dont build a flat-sided pudding bowl. Or build a top that looks like the sail/conning tower of an Akula and charge full speed till it acts like a submarine on purpose ;D  Hey good start killit, keep us informed when you next raid the parts-bin. BTW , I`d reduce the mass of the rear midship cross-brace if it isnt too late. Knock that one out and replace it with full depth ply same as hull-side to make a water-tight open top box.  Keep weight down low. Are you going to support the prop shaft ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 06, 2007, 10:10:49 AM
Morning Arrow5,

You still after a 6v washer pump, apparently some early VW vehicles had 6v electrics. Could try VW specialists for one.

Finally made a start on the Superstructure. Building it my usual way ( making it up as I go along with no drawings ;D) and using 2mm balsa. How's that for keeping the weight low. I have built a Tyne style wheelhouse and will add some photos when I finish building the superstructure. Have also turned the wheelhouse into a big sealed box, Will put the batteries in prior to radio gear and test it's self righting properties ;D

Shame you won't be at Wicksteed with McPuffer.

Clive :)

PS Nice job Willits.  So how many Springers are being built now? And how many will be at Wicksteed?

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 06, 2007, 11:41:06 AM
My Springer is built and will be at Wickstead, just finishing th paint work as we speak.
Willit if you need a TX and Rx for your Springer I have a Bycmo 27Mz AM set complete with two servos just collecting dust, PM me your snail mail and its yours.


The otehr Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 06, 2007, 02:36:49 PM
Nice Ching.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 06, 2007, 02:45:42 PM
Any thoughts on Tobyker`s (and my ) idea about extensions on rear end mods, if you know what I mean,skegs, plates etc. or should we just accept the limitations of the design. There is always the throttle control !   Mayhem Weekend....hmmmm, I`ll be there in spirit and waitng a full report here . Take your cameras. Any Scots activity on Springers ? Largs? Buckie?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 06, 2007, 04:14:39 PM
Any thoughts on Tobyker`s (and my ) idea about extensions on rear end mods, if you know what I mean,skegs, plates etc. or should we just accept the limitations of the design. There is always the throttle control !

There was a discussion (on the other 'board') about adding winglets, similar to F1 racing cars under the rear of a Springer to see if it would hold the stern down when at speed and stop the 'diving' tendancies of a Springer. I have been carving wing shapes ready to fit to Tigger, but have yet to try them to see what effect they have. One problem i CAN see though is that the stern 'digs in' when doing reasonable speed turns and a winglet may make the situation worse..  :o

Yes Arrow, the Sun XXVI is mine.. and yes, the Union Jack is inverted..  :P

Its nice to see how many Springers are being built / have been built over there in GB and we (the colonies  ;D) are looking forwards to reports and pics from some of the up and coming meetings..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 06, 2007, 04:31:46 PM
Oh... by the way.. the high volume toesup boat werks division is hard at work..  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 06, 2007, 08:06:01 PM
Oh... by the way.. the high volume toesup boat werks division is hard at work..  ;)
      Obviously aimed at the export market :o     I hope the winglets ideas all die a natural death...what is the old saying about making a silk purse out of a pig`s ear. I much prefer detailing or imaginative style of craft and fun fun fun. Leave the super-tweaks to the hydroplane guys and F1 types. JMHO.  Tut tut Toes "Union Jack"......only when it is flown on the Jackstaff otherwise Union Flag. Which may be out of date soon in view of the recent parliamentary elections where the Scottish National Party won a majority.  Home rule next ? Independence ?  "FREEDOM" as a famous Aussie film star shouted in a comedy film on the subject.  John Paul Jones should have stayed at home, WE need a navy too.  Hmmmm how did I get here , so far off topic...dont answer that !  Back on topic; Kendal I`m old enough to remember 6 volt systems in cars and vacuum driven winscreen-wipers, even starting handles, handy for winding the car out of a ditch !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 06, 2007, 08:54:24 PM
Hi Arrow,

I am just old enough to remember the last two and yes the starting handle was great for getting vehicles out of ditches.

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 06, 2007, 11:12:30 PM
How about the bar that comes out from the keel to the bottom of the rudder, is anybody fitting them ? This could be the place to put "wings" or plates to stop the ploughing. I get the feeling some folk have forgotten the concept of a tug. If you want to go fast dont build a flat-sided pudding bowl. Or build a top that looks like the sail/conning tower of an Akula and charge full speed till it acts like a submarine on purpose ;D  Hey good start killit, keep us informed when you next raid the parts-bin. BTW , I`d reduce the mass of the rear midship cross-brace if it isnt too late. Knock that one out and replace it with full depth ply same as hull-side to make a water-tight open top box.  Keep weight down low. Are you going to support the prop shaft ?
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Hiya, I'm afraid removing the cross brace is a no no, simply because its rather well glued and pinned into position  :P so any demolition will do damage to the rest of it.  What I'll do is glue a piece of balsa or ply to it to make the thing go down to the bottom of the hull.  I guess it didn't come out in the photos too well.  If you look at the very end of the stern tube there is a bit of balsa that comes up from the bottom cross brace to engage in a notch with the stern tube.  This has rendered the whole thing pretty solid.  I realised I would need it when I first applied power to the motor (an old Monoperm by the way it runs very well), there was an awful lot of vibration from the tube, so I did the fix and its dead quiet now.  Thanks for the info, given me things to think about (like keeping it dry!)

I considered putting a skeg in, but decided that no-one would see the rudder when its in the water!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 07, 2007, 07:08:48 AM
How about cutting the rear brace just inboard of  the pins to leave two blocks to support your full depth bulkhead,  (ie remove about 80% of the weight.)   Good you supported the prop-tube, couldn't see any in pics, external skeg will help with straight-line tracking I think. Waiting to see your top , some freelance "scale" details perhaps ?  More pics please.  Any more Springers in the pipeline ???????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on May 07, 2007, 10:34:52 AM
My Springer is painted and drying as I write I will put up pics in the next two days......  :o :o



Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on May 07, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
Think I will have a go at one. I cant get to the Mayhem weekend, I have to work, so maybe a consolation buld next time on nights is in order!

I am using up whats left of the grey cells to try and come up with a unique superstructure at the moment - no luck yet!

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 07, 2007, 02:10:06 PM
Think I will have a go at one. I cant get to the Mayhem weekend, I have to work, so maybe a consolation buld next time on nights is in order!

I am using up whats left of the grey cells to try and come up with a unique superstructure at the moment - no luck yet!

Ian
Something local perhaps, military, naval, Thames, Mersey, Clyde, Tyne. Or Continental , Rhine ,  even a....Venetian dust-cart !   My mate is thinking about an "Amphicar", not amphibious but with dummy wheels just stuck on ! He`s scouring the boot-sales for a large car body as we speak, oh dear a step too far methinks but anything goes.  More pics , let us see what we`ve got so far.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 07, 2007, 02:17:11 PM
Speaking of Tyne, Can anyone tell me the best paint colours to match RNLI livery for my Springer Lifeboat? I was going to use ordinary Humbrol paints but I think I saw somewhere about Ford colours for a lifeboat. Any ideas where?

Ta
Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on May 07, 2007, 02:23:37 PM
For matching paint colours you may want to try your local auto supply / paint store and see if they will mix the colour in a spay can. I wanted to match a tug colour here - turned out it was 'Pepsi Red' - a little more in cost but the colour was the answer.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 07, 2007, 05:27:44 PM
My Springer got its bottom wet today, tried it in the test tank (cheep paddling pool). It took a lot of weight to get it down to the correct height, 2 x 6v 4Ah, 1 x 7.2v 1600Ah and the battery pack for my Hitec radio even then I think it is slightly high. If it ever goes under the fish are going to get a tingle. When I ran the motor the bow lifted quite nicely will now need to move the batteries to get a level tug when it is running.
After testing it in the local lake will post pictures.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 08, 2007, 08:47:52 AM
How about cutting the rear brace just inboard of  the pins to leave two blocks to support your full depth bulkhead,  (ie remove about 80% of the weight.)   Good you supported the prop-tube, couldn't see any in pics, external skeg will help with straight-line tracking I think. Waiting to see your top , some freelance "scale" details perhaps ?  More pics please.  Any more Springers in the pipeline ???????

Its a plan, what I'll do is I'll fit the RC gear, sand seal the hull and then bath test it.  If it floats alright with no tendency to rock I will leave the brace (its not too heavy anyway) but if it gives trouble I'll do your fix.  I have hacksaw small enough for the job!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 09, 2007, 10:48:50 PM
Here is my latest update on work on my Springer.  The hull now has a servo coupled to the rudder and attached to the hull.  The deck is on and the hull is practically finished, bar painting.  It has had two coats of sanding sealer and a lot of rubbing down, and once I have primed it I will test it in the bath.  The superstructure is basically a box at the mo, and will have things like doors and windows, portholes etc painted on within framing in order to keep all of it water tight still!  Its a rough interpretation of a Bantam type tug sort of thing.  I was able to have a bit of fun with the lathe (I felt like it :)) to make a good well aligned (aka not wonky like I usually do  :P) exhaust pipe.  Its roughly blu tacked on so you can see it in "situ".  I don't really know where to put it though, any suggestions?

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1833.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1829.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1827.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1832.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1835.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1834.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 10, 2007, 10:57:56 AM
Yep Willit, looking good. Maybe raise the bow with a block of wood like the Yank pushers with Knees for pushing,  even if not on the BW Bantam it should cut down the chances of bow-wave spilling over deck when charging ! I`d think about reducing the height of the superstructure a wee bit too to reduce "wind effects", 1.5inch/4 cm  should help.   Plenty of "scale" bits in old junked toy trucks and cars for exhausts and lights, tyres for fenders, check the kids next door ! Look forward to the paintwork.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 10, 2007, 09:28:34 PM
Yep Willit, looking good. Maybe raise the bow with a block of wood like the Yank pushers with Knees for pushing,  even if not on the BW Bantam it should cut down the chances of bow-wave spilling over deck when charging ! I`d think about reducing the height of the superstructure a wee bit too to reduce "wind effects", 1.5inch/4 cm  should help.   Plenty of "scale" bits in old junked toy trucks and cars for exhausts and lights, tyres for fenders, check the kids next door ! Look forward to the paintwork.

I just bath tested it, ARGHH!!! the sand sealer hasn't penetrated the hull side/base joints properly and the glue got wet!  I have to let it dry out and then I'll ladle a load of sand sealer on with a spatula, and then spray on some primer.  The thing practically just sits on its keel.  Its going to need so much lead to bring the nose down  :o

"update"

here is the painted (but not yet tidied up) hull.  I decided, having seen pics of the Bantam tug, to omit antifoul paint and just do the whole lot black.  Once the paints hardened off I'll do yet another bath test to see what happens.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1836.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 12, 2007, 05:24:55 PM
My build has stalled horribly because of plastering and I haven't done anything for 5 or 6 days. I have now covered the main superstructure with Solar Film as I haven't got time to be sealing and rubbing down to get rid of balsa grain. I need to connect up the electrics and finish the superstructure and last of all paint it.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w251/kendalboatsman/2007_0512sat0015.jpg)

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 12, 2007, 06:23:15 PM
Have not been to the lake to test "Spruffer" so put back into test tank to try out the esc, keeps blowing 4amp fuses :'(  while i cry into my beer thought I would post some pictures of it. Arrow5 named it "Spruffer" after I said I would stop working on my puffer to build a springer tug. I know the plate at the front is not straight, when I stuck it on I did not realise it had moved until I had started the paint scheme.


The other Brian

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 12, 2007, 09:16:02 PM
looks really good "the other Brian". Mine might not get wet until the mayhem weekend at this rate. :(

Mind you the decorating is going better now.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tobyker on May 12, 2007, 10:17:24 PM
Another contribution to the Springer dabate; Wasn't there a pusher tug for pushing VERY large barges that had the pilot house on a sort of scissors jack so that the driver could see over the barge? That would make an imteresting operating feature, but of course you'd have to remember to lower the bridge in fast turns!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on May 12, 2007, 10:22:28 PM
Hi Tobyker,

You are quite right, many many years ago Model Boats published a plan for Egrete (Rhine Pusher Tug) and that had a lifting wheel house. Someone on here has a model of it but I cannot remember who?

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on May 13, 2007, 06:11:48 AM
Finally remembered to take a photo of my Springer.........
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 13, 2007, 10:22:20 PM
" Arrow5 named it "Spruffer" after I said I would stop working on my puffer to build a springer tug." (quote/) I thought that would apply only to Puffer based Springers, it was Mrs Toesup who coined the word.  Think we will have to introduce an advertisement rule too or is there a fee for promoting soft drinks?


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 14, 2007, 11:00:41 AM
Sorry arrow5, I thought you had come up with the name spruffer
I  work for the company that produces Pepsi, I thought I would make my springer fun so I made the wheelhouse from a can, if people do not like I will paint over it.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 12:09:16 PM
Ching ; Looks great.  Keep it in company livery, follow the lead of the F1 guys. Who knows maybe next year it will be " The Mayhem Springer Pepsi UK Championships" sponsored by Pepsico !  Now watch the rush of fag-packet paint jobs (for US readers that is "cigarette pack" , unless it is pink !) and the PR people from big companies vieing for space on our boats. Well maybe not...my MacSpringer puffer has a Steradent denture capsule for a funnel. Painted it so the world wouldn't know that I was a toothless old git. Re MacSpringer title, that would apply to any Scottish type vessel not just Puffers. Any of the small West Coast ferries or North Sea oil support ships out of Aberdeen would qualify. The puns are part of the fun. Whose is going to be the first to call their`s a "Spaniel" then there will be a Coc....oh better not that would be from a rival soft drink company.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 14, 2007, 12:12:44 PM
Arrow5 the company livery should be dark green and orange for Britivc, I just thought the Pepsi colours are more fun.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 12:41:24 PM
.....is there a boating pond at Wimbledon ! Purple and Green = BIG MONEY !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 14, 2007, 02:49:40 PM

Don't forget guys, if you are coming for the fun and games at the Mayhemers "Weekend at Wicksteed" - fit a hook or towing bollard somewhere near the back of your Springer!


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 03:05:04 PM
...and door-stop type springs???????????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 14, 2007, 03:46:57 PM

They MAY be an advantage....... or not!  8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 05:50:42 PM
I thought they were based on push tugs 8). No water-polo teams ?  Aw well you`ll all need to come to Loch Insh Splash-in come Sept.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 14, 2007, 08:41:35 PM
Arrow5

We supply Robinsons soft drinks there  ;D


The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on May 14, 2007, 09:33:05 PM
Hi All,

There was an Egrete with working raising wheel house for sale at Skipsea week auction.

Now I have finally managed to get my computer to down load a copy of the plan, I think that I will be starting to build one tomorrow. Springer that is. I'm thinking of using a 'petrol can' style top, and calling it a Jerry Springer.

Actually I think it will be a 'Club 500' style springer.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 10:09:10 PM
J ;Derry Springer , very good LMAO.   We need the humorous touch.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 14, 2007, 10:19:20 PM
Arrow5

We supply Robinsons soft drinks there  ;D


The other Brian
     Correct, that is why I mentioned it, very English livery. You`ll have to get in a stock of Irn Bru when the MacSpringers invade Englishland ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 15, 2007, 11:39:14 AM
If a certain venture capitalist company has its way we will become a French company >:( >:( >:(

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 15, 2007, 03:38:15 PM
Ah...the entente cordial.   Sacre bleu (and orange) ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 17, 2007, 09:11:58 PM
Hi all,

well here she is, painted and ready to be wired up ready for sailing (and yes I fixed the leak, although I went a bit mad, I used silicon bath sealer as I really wanted a belt and braces solution).  I need to mount the aerial though, I have a plain aerial handy but it would detract from the model I think.  Do you think I could use a pair of hand rails as aerials?  I think really I should use the plain aerial (although it will definitely be turned into a circle at the top,I'm not going to poke out my eyes after all this work  :)).

I found a bit of lead to weigh the bows down and it seems to be ok now.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1860.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1857.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF1856.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 17, 2007, 10:05:46 PM
Hi all,

well here she is, painted and ready to be wired up ready for sailing


Um Willit... you seem to have forgotten the push knees....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 17, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
nah its going to have some put on later (which means that I'll never get round to it!  ;)), at the moment the main target is getting it running.  I'm going to do some push knees based around a Bantam (seeing as its a rip off of one already).
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 20, 2007, 08:10:55 PM


Here are some pictures of my efforts.

Whether I'll get it finished in time is anyones guess.  I am building with plywood and apart from slicing the top of my thumb, I'm getting on like a house on fire.

It's going so well, I thought I might as well make two.   :D


Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 21, 2007, 05:37:51 PM
Sorry for absence, major computer disaster. Had time for building Sprinkler hull of it`s own. Came round to use mate Sandy`s computer and found he had built a Springer hull !!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on May 22, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
I'm getting on like a house on fire.


Cutty Sark then (oops) ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 22, 2007, 03:46:01 AM

It's going so well, I thought I might as well make two.   :D


Now THATS the way to build Springers!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on May 22, 2007, 03:34:54 PM
...Hi Guys...

I am currently building a Springer Hull from which I am going to make a Plug for moulding GRP Hulls from...

If anyone is interested in a GRP Springer Hull, Then get in touch...

I will post pictures later....

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on May 22, 2007, 09:16:46 PM
wow Kenny your industrious!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 23, 2007, 07:16:49 AM
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...

The 'Devil' made me do it..   :-X
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Younger at 70 on May 23, 2007, 08:21:42 AM
Got a Tranny you can borrow for the weekend Martin if you want to should be the fairly early Saturday morning
                                                                                        Cheers
                                                                                           BobB   P.S. it is Hi-Tec same as your one but mine is working  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 23, 2007, 06:33:29 PM

Paul in the model shop had replacement crystals so all sorted now......  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on May 24, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
HI FELLOW SPRINGER NUTS ;D
                                           LOOKS LIKE THERES SOME FINE BUILDS GOING ON , I WOULD LIKE TO POST SOME PHOTOS OF MY TUG BUT , HOW AND WHAT FORMAT DO YOU NEED? HELP PLEASE . I FOUND SOME DOOR SPRINGERS IN OUR LOCAL  WILKINSONS, LESS THAN £ EACH NOT BAD.
                                                            SEE YOU ALL ON SUNDAY STEVE  ;D & KATH :-*
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 24, 2007, 06:13:29 PM
I finally tried out the springer in some proper water, not the test tank (paddling pool). In the tank the front lifted quite dramatically and I thought mine might not submarine too badly, WRONG!!. At top speed I could almost hear the klaxon going off and the command "dive dive dive" but with all the water going over the deck did not get any inside, phew. :)

Should be fun over the weekend, off to charge the batteries

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 24, 2007, 08:57:44 PM
Looks... and sounds  :o about right Chingdevil...

How many Springers are expected over the weekend?...

I hope someone takes lots of pics of the 'events'...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on May 24, 2007, 08:59:05 PM
we are taking 3 with us.

  mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 24, 2007, 09:20:12 PM
Quote
hope someone takes lots of pics of the 'events'...

Model Boats has asked me to cover the event... 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 26, 2007, 10:55:33 AM
10.45am on Saturday Mayhem Madness Underway, deep sigh. They`ll be on the water by now. Weather forecast for Sunday is poor, wet`n windy. Shame. Cant wait for pics. Ah well I`ll be wataching the F1 Grand Prix from Monaco (practise today and race tomorrow)     Painting alternate top for Sprinkler 1, name  is "Maid o`Girders", roughly a North Sea oil support vessel, lots of orange and a touch of blue. Ring a bell Ching? Computer still not right so no pics yet,besides it is a trade secret.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 26, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...

The 'Devil' made me do it..   :-X  Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 26, 2007, 04:33:32 PM
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...

The 'Devil' made me do it..   :-X  Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?

I DID consider a Voith schneider Arrow... but getting it in a Springer.. "yeah, riiiiiight"..  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 26, 2007, 10:16:15 PM
The toesup boat werks (experimental division, USA) has been hard at it...

The 'Devil' made me do it..   :-X  Nice work Toes, Voight-Schneider(sp) next?

I DID consider a Voith schneider Arrow... but getting it in a Springer.. "yeah, riiiiiight"..  :P
  OK in a double-ended X2 size...ah, well maybe not.  Nice bit of craftsmanship in wheel-house.    BTW I`ve had major meltdown of computer,hence silence. More MacS lids and a hull for Sprinkler(with spare lid for it of course !)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 28, 2007, 06:39:17 PM
Are there to be no reports on the Springer events at the Mayhem weekend?...

Did anyone take pics.. who won what?.. Were the Springers out in force?...

C'mon guys...  :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on May 28, 2007, 07:35:37 PM
maybe not from the mayhem weekend ,but here are a couple of photos of the only springer at the mobile marine event at goole
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/DSCF0428.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/DSCF0427.jpg)
i bet there will be some ariving on here soon.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 28, 2007, 07:54:29 PM
Toesupwa

Springers on Parade
Left to Right:- Martin, Bradders is behind Martin, Tug Kenny, Nomustangmark, Steamboatphil, mine (Chingdevil), Hannah and finaly a young lad who is staying with Nomustangmark.
I did not get a picture of Portside II it looked good running and was really good at football.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 28, 2007, 07:58:24 PM
Another Springer picture, there is another good one on the Mayhem Weekend thread shows all the tugs pushing the barges.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 28, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
Whee Heeeeee ;D  lovely stuff. Great barges too.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on May 28, 2007, 08:46:21 PM
The winner of the best springer of the weekend was...........
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 28, 2007, 08:53:41 PM
Well done again Hanna.

My Springer is the Fire / Playmobil red Springer on the left....... finished it 12:30AM Friday night before the Mayhem Weekend!
She was a bit slow in open water like most of them...except Bradders 'Greyhound' Springe!  :o
Mine worked supprising well against a load and didn't sink despite shipping 2 pints of water!   >:(
Must fit a comming or some sort of seal....  ::)

Martin.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 29, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO  ;D

Well done HANNAH!!!!

Thanks for the pics guys...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 29, 2007, 06:05:14 PM
Toes; there is a link from front page of Mayhem to the full report. Sorry I missed the event. next year for sure.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 29, 2007, 09:14:11 PM

Here is my  UNSINKABLE springer having a go at the Bouy.

I spent so long on the hull side of things, there wan't any time left for a detailed deck and cabin.

Should have something nicer next time.


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BB STE on May 30, 2007, 11:31:00 AM
HI DAZ
          THANKS FOR PUTTING PICS OF "THE SHELF" ON THE SITE, THE WINDY CONDITIONS AT GOOLE DRIED OUT THE DECK NICELY AFTER A VERY SOGGY , BUT GOOD MAYHEM DO ON SUNDAY ;D.
HAD A GREAT DAY AT GOOLE ,KATH WAS SORRY SHE MISSED IT :'(. SO WHEN IS THE NEXT SPINGER EVENT ?
MAYBE AT ELSMERE SHOW OR BLACKPOOL ? IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, SPRINGER FOOTBALL TOTAL MAYHEM  :o ;D  LETS GET BUILDING MORE TUGS!!!.
                       CHEERS STEVE J & KATH
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 30, 2007, 12:31:10 PM
My springer is in bits at the moment, puting in smaller motor in (380 instead of 450), but could have it fixed by the show. Might see if SWMBO fancys a day out.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on May 30, 2007, 12:44:18 PM
Er chingdevil,
Putting in a SMALLER motor?

Does this mean that mine will be suffering from over kill with Two 700bb turbo's in it, and sixteen cells !

It seamed a shame to just fit ballast to get it down to the water line.
And yes, like my Club 500, it has foils under the hull.  ;D

Bob   Ex chigwelldevil

No I'm only joking, but now I've sewn the seed who knows?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 30, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
...surface drive, cleaver props, tail-fin, outriggers, Spektrum r/c. The fastest submari..sorry Springer in town. Ching you got advertising oppo!  This is alternate "lid" for "Sprinkler". Anybody else doing a two-for-one top ?   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 30, 2007, 02:28:59 PM
Bobf
I want to get a bit more control over it and try to slow down the diving, if the motor does not work then it will be a new prop. I want to use this springer to play football and then build a 1:12th scale one, seen the one I want to build just cant get the company who makes it to send me some measurements of it.

Watch this space

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 30, 2007, 02:32:34 PM
Arrow5
I was thinking of letting the company I work for see it, you never know might get some sponsership for next year. Do you work for Barrs?? boo, hiss.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 30, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
I don't even drink the stuff far less work for them ! I liked the hi-viz orange near scale colour scheme. I`ve tried to keep the topsides as light as I could using 3/16 balsa. The crane is from a discarded toy, cargo will be a couple of plastic 35mm slide boxes to represent containers.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on May 31, 2007, 02:05:05 PM
G'day from Down Under...   

Love them Springers..

Just Had to have a go just for the fun of it.. Great looking Boat you got there Hanna, Always good to see a bit of fun in boats... 

Arrrrrh me Luvs me pirates...

Just a beginning and hope to be on the water Plundering in a week or so..



Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 31, 2007, 02:20:47 PM

Brilliant!   (  can you make the eyes light up red when the motor runs?!?! )

Make sure you hatch is watertight and use the batteries to balance the boat fore & aft.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 31, 2007, 07:10:21 PM

Arrrrrh me Luvs me pirates...

Just a beginning and hope to be on the water Plundering in a week or so..


.. with the MP3 player.. playing "Yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me..."
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hiapita on May 31, 2007, 09:31:16 PM
Brilliant model  I love it. I think I will build a few more tops for mine just to have a change.

 Hannah, Springer Champion.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 01, 2007, 10:23:59 AM

.. with the MP3 player.. playing "Yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me..."

Now that would be an Idea... Maybe the theme from Captain Pugwash & the Black Pig,,

I do like that idea with the Lights in the eyes...

I'll keep in touch as I progress with the little beasty..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: dougal99 on June 01, 2007, 04:20:02 PM
Ed

Have you got a black beard ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Some alternate tops, go for it Hanna.  Last outing for "Sprinkler" fire-boat before she gets her own hull. (Loch Alvie was perfect yesterday)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2007, 09:14:02 AM
Alternate tops
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2007, 09:16:59 AM
Perfect boating weather yesterday, MacPuffer wide open throttle on Loch Alvie.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 02, 2007, 11:42:07 AM
Arrow5

What motor and prop are you running in your MacPuffer? I notice she is not diving very much if at all with the throttle wide open.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2007, 01:08:37 PM
Brian , it has a stock 540 from from God knows where,probably an old tyre pump from a skip. I bought a new one in Maplins the other day, comes with mount(NVG) and suppressors fitted. This will go into the fireboat hull. Prop is plastic 3 blade 35mm Graupner. Direct drive.  Trimmed aft-ish, maybe new motor will be more powerfull and diving will commence. Hope this help but dont forget you are asking a novice.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on June 02, 2007, 06:02:16 PM
Hi all,

I was hoping to get my springer on the pond for tomorrow, but sadly opened a new box of epoxy to stick down the deck and various fittings. Left it to set during a late lunch, but when I went back to finish the odd bits etc. found I had opened a box of slow setting finishing resin.  >:(
Too many senior moments happening at the moment.
I now won't be able to finish working on it today.

I,ve used a motor from a Darter King, it's a 550 motor through a reduction box so plenty of power, and an integrall cooling fan.
All tugs should be over powered so they can push big boats around (chingdevil) I find using less throttle helps.
I also have a vastly over powered fun tug from a free plan. If I'm not towing with it, I just fit a much smaller prop, and can run all day with it.   ;D

Bob

As for the Darter King, wel that's going to get an Enya 40 fitted in it. If it falls to bits who cares.  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 02, 2007, 07:07:20 PM
Thanks Arrow5

The springer is my first build the puffer being still on the slipway, so I was interested in what other people were using as the power train in them. I am going to try a 380 in it with the same prop and see what happens, when I built the springer and first water tested it sat level in the water so perhaps a bit of aft trimming will slow the diving.

This is definitely "suck it and see"


The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Ching; I forgot to say the propshaft is at zero degrees, i.e. parallel to the deck.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tigertiger on June 03, 2007, 06:22:31 AM
Ching; I forgot to say the propshaft is at zero degrees, i.e. parallel to the deck.

Am I right in thinking this would help prevent some Springer's tendancies to submarine?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 03, 2007, 06:36:41 AM
Yes that seems to be the opinion from an expert on the other place. Also a high bow, see photo on post #325 here on this thread, note the bow wave is almost level with deck. This was on a glass-like surface.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on June 04, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Hi all,

Re my previous posting 330

Well I got up at  5 . 45am Sunday morning, walked the dog and then started working on the springer again, determined to have it on the water on today (Sunday) for the club fun day.

I managed to finish the basic hull, but not the front pusher fittings or or deck fittings.
I made a quick shoe box type lid to keep the water out, and I will build the proper super structure on this.

Having read previous postings regarding ballast and all up weight, I was surprised that I had to lighten it up considerably. Perhaps I built it to sturdy.

Those that watched it run, all enjoyed its antics, as it tried to empty the pond at medium throttle settings. I did find however that at full throttle, it shipped no water because of the height of the bows!

With regards to raising the front to keep water out, how about a landing craft springer? No problems keeping the water out with a ramp sticking well up above deck level.
Just got to decide what type of top/tops to fit now.

Glad I built it, and yes it did rescue another boat first time out that had run out of volts. A simple beam on and push it side ways to the edge of the pond.

Bob  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 04, 2007, 02:36:34 PM
Good idea the LCT with high "ramp".  A civvy version could be car ferry for more colourful versions.  I`ve added a row of tyres to try to contain bow-wave and for pushing when I get around to making a barge or two.  Spring for polo can project through the outer two.  Any photos of your outing ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on June 04, 2007, 02:56:28 PM
Hi arrow5,

Sorry I'm a Luddite. So no photo's. It's a miracle I can even get on the forum, although I have mastered buying things from ebay.

I can send texts on my phone now though, so pictures could be next.

I intend to fit a timber across the bow which the pushers fix to, this will have a slope on the underside going up at the back. I hope it will deflect the bow wave back down, much like a spray strip.
Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 04, 2007, 05:58:45 PM
Luddite, me too, I`ve just learned how to resize pictures and my Christmas pressy of 3 years ago (pair of his`n hers mobile phones are still un-used ). I think the "rubbing strip/ deflector" should slope the other way i.e. like a ramp at roughly same angle as bottom of bow, just a guess. Suck it and see right enough.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on June 04, 2007, 07:21:23 PM
Hi arrow5,

As the bow is a very thick section, I can screw the frontpiece on, until I establish if it should be square or slope in either direction.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 05, 2007, 09:03:12 AM
Ed

Have you got a black beard ?

Dougal99

That was so many years ago it's a fond memory... More salt & pepper now..

Progress has been brisk in the last few days (A holiday here) She's had her behind dunked in the wet stuff on the weekend.. Still afloat, so must have done something right (for once)..

Three others in our club building Springers so have been busy making the Goals for our Water Polo Match..  .. We even have our own small pool for displays.. Should be a Hoot... Photos when we arrange a match...

Have done an Alternate Superstructure to avoid scaring the kiddies... Called her Vader.. Twin Water Canons up front.. Not much more to do but install the 36 Rubber Fender Tyres.. Black of course..     
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 05, 2007, 10:16:08 AM
"Vader" world's first stealth Springer!

Is the top of one of those kits plastic bath boats?
How did you get the paint to stick?!?!?

Martin.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 05, 2007, 10:57:47 AM
Black Bart in person , sinister, love it! More details on the goal-posts, sizes, ballasting, pic in water, any netting going in back etc etc. Be sure to video the premier match.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 05, 2007, 11:02:27 AM
"Vader" world's first stealth Springer!

Is the top of one of those kits plastic bath boats?
How did you get the paint to stick?!?!?

Martin.



Martin


Simple answer is yes.. Cheated with a Toot Toot.. Kids Toy. Bought Six when they were going cheap.. They make for simple superstructures on the Club Loan Boats..

Painting has been an experiment and finally I managed to get it to stick by First sanding with wet & dry emery paper (600 grade) & Coated it with an Automotive Spray Flexi Prime (Motospray Acrylic) for Bumpers & Other Auto Plastic Trim .. They call it an Adhesion Promoter.. Works fairly good on ABS, Polypropylene, Acrylic, Polycarbonate and most common plastics.. Not recommended for Vinyl..

Drys clear shiny and fairly quickly. Then within 20 minutes applied mist coating of Acrylic Auto Spray.. Let dry and sand using 1200 Wet & Dry & another two coats of Acrylic.. No need for a separate primer as this tends to cause problems.. I only use Matt colours as the first coat comes out as a gloss anyway..

Manufacturer of Flexi Prime in OZ is a company called Hichem Industries Pty Ltd.

http://www.hichem.com.au/hicheminfo/PIDS/Acrylic/FP_FLEXIPRIME_2.pdf

Arrow5

Goals are from standard Reticulation Piping set at 1m apart with 700mm at rear and 300mm at front.. Allows the springers to circle the goals like in Ice Hockey.. No Nets..

The Display Pool is about 8m x 4m x 300mm.. Height was set at 700mm so most springers can go under the bar.. Pool Noodle is adjustable upwards to compensate for depth.

Hole drilled in pipe to help sink and some internal fishing sinkers inside pipe for stability. Hope it all works out as planned. First indoor match expected in early August. We're working on some practice buoys for the open lake..

Have to finish the boats first..       

Cheers

Ed-Teach
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 05, 2007, 12:34:05 PM
Shall I make a set of goals for next year Martin?? ;D ;D ;D

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 05, 2007, 01:12:39 PM
Good idea Brian!

.... where can I geta Darth Vader head for my Springer?  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 05, 2007, 01:47:53 PM
Thanks Ed. I hope this evolves into a standard . Must try a set for Loch Insh in Sept., at least it`ll keep the low flying saeplanes away from the boats !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 05, 2007, 03:35:52 PM
Martin

Won't Darth Vader get wet in your Springer?? ;D ;D ;D ;D

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 05, 2007, 04:39:10 PM

Everything gets wet in my Springer  >:(

I've striped it down again to change it from gear reduction to direct drive. As going forward was more of desire than a drive!  :-\
Although the motor survived the 4 hour drenching, surprisingly the motor pinion gear didn't! The whole surface of the gear was covered in rust.  :o The motor was working fine.... until I tried removing the pinion - without a 'gear puller'.  :-[ 
So I've got a new motor now and I'm rearranging the internal organs to for the new layout.

BTW. The deck of my Springer is made out of an old wardrobe> The varnish used seems to be made of new type of Teflon, neither Superglue, PVA, Silicon sealant, Expoxy or even paint will adhere to it unless I sand back to the wood underneath! I'm going to send some to NASA for analysis! ££££  ::)

Pictures later.

Martin.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 06, 2007, 02:32:06 AM
              ...Hi Guys...

Well here is the story so far...DAMEN "STANTUG SPRINGER" 1906...

The hull is complete...A nice coat of resin both inside & outside...All ready for a final rub down & Painting....

The motor & Running gear will go in Next...Then its building a Wheelhouse...All Ready For The Scottish Tug-In at Greenock on the 17th...

...Come & Have A Go If You Think Your Tug Enough...


      ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 06, 2007, 07:34:53 AM
Lookin` good Norry. Good subject.  Any idea how many Springers there are in Scotland ?  Pity I`ll miss the Largs do, I`ll be in Whitehaven with the "big yin". Might take a Springer to spread the word in Cumbria.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 06, 2007, 04:58:31 PM
Good day at the loch today. New motor goes like sewing machine, just a low hum. Old one sounded like a diesel on three cylinders so back in the skip ! Sprinkler and Irn Maid on same hull. Tyre barrier on bow helps to keep wave breaking over it onto deck..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 06, 2007, 05:12:52 PM
...and on the water.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 06, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
...and the other "top".
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on June 06, 2007, 11:15:45 PM
You have been a busy soul Duncan, I like the new tug top. I actually managed to apply a first coat of paint today so might be finished in time for next years Mayhem weekend. Best of all I finally have a shed on its way so in three weeks time I will have a workshop to paint and do other smelly jobs in and that way I won't have to wait for dry days to go outside and paint.

Clive
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 07, 2007, 06:48:42 AM
Vader undergoes Sea Trials

Managed a few spare hours to complete the Build to a level I could do some Sea Trials. Recovery of the Thumb from Applying 43 Fender Tyres will take some time. Luckily its not the Throttle hand.

Ballasting done in the bath so was reasonably happy but couldn't wait for the batteries to fully charge so off to the Local lake for a test run.

Looked a treat on the water and immediately drew the attention of a few passers by.

Did find the Electronize 543-23 I was intending to use probably a little underpowered so I'll install a basic 540 and see if I get more performance. Might have been the state of the batteries.  ???

Installing the twin Fender barriers at the front seemed to stop almost all water from coming over the bow.. More sea trials on the weekend and hopefully more pictures of the other Club Springers.  :o
 

Hopefully next week will see the installation of the electrics for the water-cannons. Tested on 6V gives a reasonable display. 12V would be better but wiring would be a hassle.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 07, 2007, 08:28:14 AM
Wow ! You are expecting some rough and tumble full body contact, Aussie Rules type.  Where is the oppostion ?  BTW I think you`ll find the standard 540 motor adequate.  Good looking build.  Interested in details of water cannon.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 07, 2007, 09:53:43 AM
Interested in details of water cannon.

The Old Motto.. Always be prepared for any possibility.. I would say the opposition could be a little aggressive. In reverse the Prop on one of the springers howls and almost clears the water.. Photos of the opposition this weekend if the weather is kind..

The water pump (diaphragm) is a standard replacement windscreen pump for older Japanese Cars. Throws water about 4-5ft from both cannons on 6V through a "T" piece. 12V on my other Tug sends it about 15ft through one outlet. Trying a CMA Como Gear Pump as an alternative. Hopefully I'll have something operational in a few weeks.

Cannons are Graupner 1:50 recommended for Seabex model.  

Thinking of the next Springer and this time possibly under sail?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 07, 2007, 10:58:39 AM
Like it ...a "PIRINGER". ;D   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 07, 2007, 12:13:10 PM
Blimey! tell me these springer are not coming to next years weekend might have to build one out of Kevlar plate just to survive a game of football ;D ;D ;D.
Ed the springers get enough water over their decks now any more pumped on and the opposition will need bilge pumps to keep afloat, or is that the idea ;) ;) ;)

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 07, 2007, 11:36:37 PM
        ...Hi Guys...

As most of you guys will probably know, My mate Billy (Blazing Penguin) & I are currently organising the  Mobile Marine Models sponsored  Scottish Tug - In at Greenock  next Sunday (17Th June)...10.30am till 4pm...

How many Springers are coming to the event...I would like to know...(Billy Doesn.t Like Them)

There is of course an Open & Welcome Invitation to all Model Mayhem Members to come along to the event in Greenock & have a good day with the Tug - Set...

There will be lots to see & do on the day...Win a radio controlled boat in the raffle...Teas & Eats will be served in the Clubhouse...

So if anyone is planning a wee trip to Bonnie Scotland for this event please let us knowhow many are coming so that we know how many Haggi( plural of haggis) we have to catch to feed you all...

I will buy all attending Springer Skippers a Cuppa...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 08, 2007, 06:02:05 AM
Blimey! tell me these springer are not coming to next years weekend might have to build one out of Kevlar plate just to survive a game of football ;D ;D ;D.
Ed the springers get enough water over their decks now any more pumped on and the opposition will need bilge pumps to keep afloat, or is that the idea ;) ;) ;)

The other Brian

Chingdevil

A bit too far to travel to the UK,   :'( but would love to attend what has become a great model boat regatta and open day.. Everybody who attends always raves about what a great time they had.. ;) ;) ;)

The Idea of the water cannons is to put out Fires at displays and distract the other Competitors.. Nearly lost a Tug Last Year to over use of lighter fluid soaked into the burning boat..

I wonder if they'll let me put a Powder Cannon in the Pirate Ship? No need for Kevlar, mine is out of 12mm 5-Ply coated in resin.. Should take a knock or two..  :P ;) 

Been busy making the Flags for match. Using standard 3/32 Brass Tube with some carbon flexi rod & Sticky Back sailcloth for the Flags.. Starting to look good.. One Team in Black (of course)..

Second Hull in the workshop this weekend.. It was such an easy & enjoyable build, I have to do another one.. 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 09, 2007, 01:55:28 AM

Pictorial build of my Springer.... I'll add text at some stage... ;D

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/Springer/index.htm (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/Springer/index.htm)


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 09, 2007, 10:03:23 AM
Club Springers

As promised Club Sail Day today with three recently launched Springers in attendance.

Impromptu Soccer Match arranged to test the maneuverability.

A great days fun at the lake...

Away for a few weeks building another.

TTFN
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Younger at 70 on June 09, 2007, 01:51:36 PM
"NOBBY" the springer's first outing  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on June 09, 2007, 01:56:47 PM
I hereby nominate Martin for an award as THE BEST DRESSED MODELLER.

Have you seen his pics of his springer build? The only person i have heard of who builds and paints in shirt and tie!!!!!! And, it looks like he works on top of a bank of computers!

 ;D ;D ;D

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 09, 2007, 06:24:33 PM
Ian
The man in the picture is Bradders not Martin, he does dress smart to build boats though and has a very posh looking work area.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on June 09, 2007, 06:31:14 PM
Doh! Sorry Bradders and Martin!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 09, 2007, 07:46:41 PM
They are coming thick and fast now. I see one of the OZSPRINGERs has no "armour" , like the tubular all-round fendering on  one but none on the green one!   Ed, did the goal posts not work out ? " Nobby", is it going have tow-hooks fitted Young ?  You might be asked to pull a barge or six someday !   Anybody coming to Loch Insh do in Sept,we have a real canal to navigate, real concrete walls so fenders all round a good idea. Plus a mile of fresh water if you feel like a voyage in open water out of the lagoon. Any reports from Largs tug-in ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 09, 2007, 07:51:45 PM
Martin/Bradders how do I post more than one pic on a post?  Here is the "canal".
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 09, 2007, 07:54:19 PM
Another canal pic.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 09, 2007, 08:13:39 PM
Arrow

The springer is looking good after its swim

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 09, 2007, 08:19:19 PM
SSSSSh ! That is "Spruffy" top (coal boat) on Mac`s hull.  The "canal" goes under the bridge . The lagoon has ample space for a polo match.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on June 09, 2007, 10:49:28 PM
"NOBBY" the springer's first outing  ;D

that looks totally hellfire (young railway enthusiast expression for those who don't know!)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 10, 2007, 10:19:03 PM
...Hi Arrow5...

Are you coming down to the Tug-In next Sunday 17th which is now at Greenock....

Whats the details of the Loch Insch Regatta...I quite fancy a wee camping trip up that way...

Will there be Tug-Towing there...I could bring up some of our barges & tows...

My Springer will be finished this week in time for my 7 year old son Johnny to play football with it at the Tug-In...

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 11, 2007, 09:07:21 AM
No-can-do Norrie, I`m off to Whitehaven Maritime Festival in Cumbria this week-end with RO5. Be sure and post pics of the Greenock do.  Re Loch Insh , it isn't really a regatta as such. The Cairngorm Model Flying Club are having our 22nd annual seaplane splash-in that weekend (8th-9th Sept) and we would like to incorporate model boats. We thought the Springer phenomena would be entertaining for public. However all type of model boats would be welcolme. We also thought about making it a Springer only event just to be unique.  The Tarlair boys and girls came one year with a great selection of their models. If you feel like mucking in and giving us novices a hand to organise something please get in touch.  Tugging,docking and polo match was about the only thing we have thought of so far. The little lagoon pictured in other post is available plus the open loch to the south ,away from flying area. Maybe we can get togther soon and have a natter about possibilities. Spread the word in model boating circles and let us have feed-back. Plenty of caravan & camping sites, B&Bs, Bunkhouses,Hotels,and the Loch Insh facilities are great with bar, restuarant and accomodation.  Springers only would be our first choice just to keep it from intruding into the established boat event calendar. Fun is our aim. Good Luck at Greenock.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on June 11, 2007, 07:15:50 PM
I had a thought today, one I may follow up.  How about a paddle Springer, with the full paddleboxes on the sides?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 11, 2007, 08:49:55 PM
..or a Mississippi type stern wheeler with freewheeling paddle-wheel.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on June 11, 2007, 11:17:17 PM
..or a Mississippi type stern wheeler with freewheeling paddle-wheel.

I did consider that actually but with an actual wheel!  But I think a side wheeler would be better.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: peter d on June 13, 2007, 11:38:57 AM

Another Springer on the slipway, Seaway Guardian

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 13, 2007, 05:46:22 PM
Very nice build Peter. Keep the high stuff light. Any pics of the prototype?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 14, 2007, 04:45:00 AM
Yeah Peter, like Arrow said, nice build... and keep the topsides light.. or the Springer 'roll' will be evident!..  :o

Scoot is coming along nicely.. although there is still loooooots of bits to make and add..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 14, 2007, 06:56:02 AM
Verrrry nice Toes, (dull that chain :o.) Is she based on a real one ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 14, 2007, 07:30:19 AM
Verrrry nice Toes,... Is she based on a real one ?

Thanks Arrow..  ;)

The 'design' is based on the full sized Scout owned by Crowley out of San Pedro (LA) harbour.. I was on Scout a few weeks back taking pics as i am about to start a twin Voith Scout.. and Scoot is a 'practice' run..  :P

 :-\ :-\ :-\ about the chain...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 14, 2007, 05:11:33 PM
Oh yes The Scout , I`d forgotten you had mentioned it before, sorry.  So has Mrs toes checked her trinket-box for chains recently ? I`m trying to persuade my wife to invest in dull grey or black items of jewelry, even rust colour I believe is fashionable....pass it on ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 14, 2007, 05:40:02 PM
So has Mrs toes checked her trinket-box for chains recently ? I`m trying to persuade my wife to invest in dull grey or black items of jewelry, even rust colour I believe is fashionable....pass it on ;)

Try finding a 'beading' (its what the ladies dooo) store.. its a goldmine for those small chains and little 'items'
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 15, 2007, 11:27:49 PM
    ...Hi Guys...

A wee picture & update on my Spriger Build...

I hope to have it finished for the Tug-In at Greenock on Sunday...

It will be named "TIBER 65" after the Amateur Football team that I am involved with...

The Football Boots (door springy things) can be screwed on when required them removed again for Barge Pushing...

I hope you like it...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 16, 2007, 07:51:37 AM
Some serious deck fittings there Norry. Towing very much in mind then?  Looking good. Stick-on windows ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
The Greenock "Tug-In" was a blast and four intruder Springers were seen to be getting up to antics of a less serious nature.  Norry was busy so his lad Johnny took the Springer out to do some tugging of his own, a very good he was.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 18, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
                       ...Hi Arrow5...

I,m glad you enjoyed yourself yesterday at the Tug-In. It was a fantatic day, Way beyond our expectations...I assume you had a safe journey home...

As you say in your last message " Norry was busy" Too busy to take any pictures...

Would it be possible to have a copy of your pictures on a CD so that i can make up an event folder for Myself & The Greenock Model Boat Club, who as stand in hosts for the day were also fantastic...

...A Good Day Was Had By All Who Attended...

                    ...Best Regards...Norry...


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 11:03:54 AM
No probs Norry. I`ll get a disc burned with about 60 shots of the goings-on and you can name names and so on. The tugs were VERY impressive and very nice bunch of guys and gals. The crack was good and somebody bought me lunch.  I enjoyed the day .....but I wish I`d known about the "weed end" of the dam !!!!!  Dont forget Loch Insh in Sept, maybe we can repay your hospitality.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 11:14:19 AM
Oh yes.... there were four Springers and an impromptu game of footy ensued. Wee Johnny scored a goal against the "big boy", not saying who but I hope he was embarrassed ;D  I just kept out of it ( no reverse or throttle,borrowed radio, weed on the prop excuses excuses)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 11:28:10 AM
....and proof. Goooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaal !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 12:29:58 PM
.....footballer takes up teaching instead. :o   Young member of public has a go.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2007, 12:33:18 PM
...and so does  mum.  ( Note the Arrow fleet at her feet.)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: poll on June 18, 2007, 08:37:10 PM

     Just co's I've had a bath Dad I'ts not time for Bed is it.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BlazingPenguin on June 18, 2007, 09:18:38 PM
Of course we should point out the fact the wee fella got a much better score than his daddy did !  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 19, 2007, 06:53:42 AM
Of course we should point out the fact the wee fella got a much better score than his daddy did !  ;D
    Aha, but we want to know ..was he pushed or did he fall in ? I think it wis the big yin that he hammered in the football game.  Wee johnny, ahead of his faithers footsteps already !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 20, 2007, 09:21:09 AM

Here an interesting site  - loads of photos of Springers big and small....

http://www.towboatgallery.com/The_Towboat_Gallery.php

(http://www.towboatgallery.com/uploadl/Little_Toot(20050928)TP-DSCF0039.jpg)
Title: New Build
Post by: chingdevil on June 20, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
I have just started to build a 1 2/4 scale pusher tug (springer shape). I found a drawing on the internet at a company who builds them but they never sent me any details so I just photocopied the jpeg up and down until I got the scale dimensions. I will post some pictures soon, daughter has gone to Spain and borrowed my digital camera >:( >:(
The original drawing of this boat said it only had a draught of 5 feet, scale 2.5 inches this will definitely ship water at any speed.


The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 20, 2007, 02:54:47 PM
The Towboat Gallery is just that "Towboats". We mustn`t confuse the Springer with any old towboat, although "Little Toot" would be a cinche for a scale Springer-like towboat. As I said in an early post a Springer is a specific class of boat with dimensions, power, prop size all specified. The appealing aspect of the Springer is that from the waterline up you can make any superstructure you fancy. Towboats are the inspiration and a great source of shapes, I hope we dont fall into the trap of calling all pusher tugs Springers. Sorry to sound pedantic but we do have US readers and it could cause confusion.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ed-Teach on June 20, 2007, 05:09:51 PM
The Towboat Gallery is just that "Towboats". We mustn`t confuse the Springer with any old towboat, although "Little Toot" would be a cinche for a scale Springer-like towboat. As I said in an early post a Springer is a specific class of boat with dimensions, power, prop size all specified. The appealing aspect of the Springer is that from the waterline up you can make any superstructure you fancy. Towboats are the inspiration and a great source of shapes, I hope we dont fall into the trap of calling all pusher tugs Springers. Sorry to sound pedantic but we do have US readers and it could cause confusion.

Arrow5

Couldn't agree more.. Wouldn't want to get into that debate.. These Springers are a great Fun Boat and the rules are there to make it enjoyable for everyone.  Keeping it Fun is what it's all about.

Loved the Photos, especially seeing the Kids have a go. Next Generation Modellers getting a head start.. Keep it up, I say..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 20, 2007, 06:33:55 PM
Springer Tugs are based on just the type of pusher tug that Toot is. Look at most truckable pusher tugs in the US and they basically have the same hull shape as a Springer. Americans call this type of boat a towboat
Springers are a class of boat designed to be easy to build and then equal in a competition, but the original design is based on an actual boat. How do the English get confused when the Americans do not?

I said I was building a pusher tug (springer shape) how is that confusing?

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 20, 2007, 07:37:06 PM
Ching, I think your post was perfectly phrased and correct in every way. My comment was directed at Martin`s reference to the excellent towboat site in which he referred to them as Springers. The US river barge-pushing type of craft isn't all that common in the UK and the Springer phenomena is just catching on so it is easy for confusion to set in, like all vacuum cleaners being called Hoovers. I must admit I went a wee bit daft when I put a Puffer top on mine but that was just to confuse the English even more. At least I have a couple more tops of more realistic shapes.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 20, 2007, 08:06:05 PM
.. and just to confuse the issue..  :P

Scoot.. with a 2 1/4" prop and a KORT nozzle..

Its a Springer... honest Mister  :-*
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 20, 2007, 08:12:29 PM
Well Toesupa it looks and smells like a real Springer, but I am not so sure ;D ;D
Nice looking model, does the Kort nozzle make it more maneuverable than a springer with a standard rudder, only my one will turn virtually turn on itself.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 20, 2007, 08:18:24 PM
Well Toesupa it looks and smells like a real Springer, but I am not so sure ;D ;D
Nice looking model, does the Kort nozzle make it more maneuverable than a springer with a standard rudder, only my one will turn virtually turn on itself.

The other Brian

Well.. it started out as a Springer...  ;)

It seems more manouverable than Tigger (standard setup) is, and will turn in its own length.. If you have seen a Voith powered tractor tug doing pirouettes, its kinda like that... Oh, did i mention its 12v too..

Thanks for the complement too..   ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 20, 2007, 08:25:14 PM

Its a Springer... honest Mister  :-*


WoW!!! A Gold Class compition Springer!  :o


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 20, 2007, 08:53:10 PM
Yup ! Gold Medal. 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 24, 2007, 04:08:50 PM
It is very quiet in here....any more UK Springers yet ?    Knees going on "Maid o`Irn" today, (it`s raining).
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 24, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
...Hi Arrow5...

What motor do you use in your Springers ? ...Or what motor would you recommend ? ...I am having problems with the Decaperm in Johnny,s boat so I am going to replace it....I can run on 6 or 12 volts...

Also what is the correct waterline on a Springer...I noticed that Johnny,s boat sat a bit higher in the water than Steve Jones,s boat...If you could give me the correct measurment from the Deckline down to the Waterline I could alter it if required...I have made Johhny,s boat with a rise on the deck of 12mm from stern to bow...

I laid up the first GRP Springer hull on Thursday night so I will find out this week how it went...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 25, 2007, 06:06:39 AM
There were a few Springers at the Seaway Cup in San Francisco this weekend..

I understand Springers took 1st, 3rd AND 4th...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 25, 2007, 06:15:49 AM
...Hi Arrow5...

What motor do you use in your Springers ? ...Or what motor would you recommend ? ....I can run on 6 or 12 volts...

Also what is the correct waterline on a Springer...I noticed that Johnny,s boat sat a bit higher in the water than Steve Jones,s boat...If you could give me the correct measurment from the Deckline down to the Waterline I could alter it if required...I have made Johhny,s boat with a rise on the deck of 12mm from stern to bow...


Any 6v motor will do.. I run 6v ex car motors in Tigger and Templeton. To keep it 'legal' and within the rules, Springers are limited to 6v - 7.2v.

The waterline should fall 30 - 35mm DOWN from the stern.... and be at the underside to bow joint at the front. You will find a Sprinder handles a little better to be slightly stern heavy compared to the waterline  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 25, 2007, 11:55:47 AM
Thanks Toes nice pic....any silverware from SF event? ::)    Norry; Toes gave you the answers, MacPuffer picture at rest shows how she is rigged, slightly tail heavy, same with Maid but the stern does seem to rise a bit under power but no submarining tendencies. Power is 450 standard "can" from Maplins, not a bad deal at about £7 as it comes fully suppressed ( three thingies already soldered on) and a bent metal mount. They also carry a line of sealed LA batteries ( AM 6-4.5) 6v, 4.5Ah which are very suitable. I run a 35mm Graupner 3 blade plastic prop and on "Maid" a 40mm cut down to 35 seems to work OK. I also have the motors water cooled as they seemed very hot to me even with some cooling holes ( inside the cludge and wheelhouse). Glad the photo discs were OK, sorry about other stuff on them. Before you ask I`m NOT planning a Springer floating restuarant !!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 25, 2007, 12:01:31 PM
..and the tail rising on "Maid".  Loch Insh seaplane event is weekend 8th-9th Sept.  Hope we can get a rake of Springers as diversion.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 27, 2007, 04:28:20 AM
Thanks Toes nice pic....any silverware from SF event?

Not for team Toes...  :-[ although 4th wasnt bad considering it was Scoot's 2nd time in the water and i wasnt even planning on entering the event on Sunday  :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ian Robins on June 30, 2007, 02:47:29 PM
Hi,

Anybody up for a game of football at the Warwick show to show off our Springers

see the post on the shows heading and if we get enough boats we could have a football game

ro88o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 30, 2007, 03:15:08 PM
 Ro88o ; Yeah go for it Sassenachs, ye`ll need the practise for a Scotland/England international. I fitted the Madonna's today! Where are you Norry, I need support !!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 30, 2007, 03:23:56 PM
..and a close-up. Weapons of mass destruction !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 30, 2007, 10:48:25 PM
   ...Hi Guys...

Check out E-Bay...Item number...180135360170...Newhaven Pusher Tug...


I thought at first this was the First Springer on E-Bay, But the dimensions are slightly larger...

Length 20"  X Width 8.5"

 ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 01, 2007, 07:02:43 AM
It sure is a pusher tug but not a Springer hull. Just shows us that there are UK protoypes to model. What news on your Springering norry, any more appeared in the west yet?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 01, 2007, 05:06:46 PM
For those of you wondering how tight Scoot turns  ;D you might want to have a look at this..

http://media.putfile.com/Scoot-the-Springer

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on July 01, 2007, 05:18:30 PM
Turning nicely and the tug of war at the end is a great way to wash the deck!!! ;D ;D


Mark and Hannah.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 01, 2007, 06:21:56 PM

Excellent video!
Must put mine up...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 01, 2007, 10:20:04 PM
[The Can) here that looks like its been built on Mobile Marines Gerhard hull

 ::)... nope, Scoot is CERTAINLY a Springer  :P
Title: MY Springer Tug
Post by: ppsailor on July 02, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
MY springer tug  , in styreno.
ppsailor :)(http://[img])[/img]
Title: Re: MY Springer Tug
Post by: toesupwa on July 02, 2007, 08:27:13 AM
MY springer tug  , in styreno.
ppsailor :)(http://[img])[/img]

That bow doesnt look much like a Springer  :o more pics please!!!

And where is Styreno?...

If thats supposed to be "Styrene" then it wont survive a Springer football match!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 02, 2007, 09:40:25 AM
Toes; that might mean solid expanded polystyrene foam block ? My Spanish is limited to what I picked up from cowboy movies but I think the name is "River Mule" ?  Good name if that is correct.  PPSailor, where are you Jose ? Is the forward upward slope on bow added to the standard Springer hull ? Any more details, what is the roller device on bow ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cbr900 on July 02, 2007, 10:22:16 AM
Arrow5,

If you look carefully at the pic the hull appears to be flat bottomed...........


Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 02, 2007, 09:06:06 PM
Don't think so Roy , is that not just the reflection of the top half of the hull ? Anyway the definitive LOCH INSH SPRINGER GOAL POST has been decided , well they were sitting about doing nothing so I asked to use them.  I also had to purchase  :o, yes with money :'( a ball for practice,   ! it is tricky. What size ball was used at Mayhem event? Martin , Bradders ????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 02, 2007, 09:15:31 PM
...good job nobody was watching.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ppsailor on July 04, 2007, 05:00:36 AM
Toes; that might mean solid expanded polystyrene foam block ? My Spanish is limited to what I picked up from cowboy movies but I think the name is "River Mule" ?  Good name if that is correct.  PPSailor, where are you Jose ? Is the forward upward slope on bow added to the standard Springer hull ? Any more details, what is the roller device on bow ?

Hi captain arrow5. Ppsailor salute from Mexico. I was mistaken of forum. my English is to regulate.-_I am Sorry. - A friend commented to me, who the boat must reunite certain elements so that it considers itself him to springer. A main element is the hull.-How I can eliminate or erase the photo of my boat of this forum?
Thank you very much
Another question…. As I can initiate a forum on boats impelled with the solar energy.??? (solarboats)?
 Ppsailor.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 04, 2007, 06:28:32 AM
Welcome to the forum Jose, that is correct Springers are a regulated design of boat but they are based on the type you have modelled, and very nice your`s is too. I hope you keep the photo on this forum, it is good that we have contributers from Mexico. I am sure the moderators of Model Mayhem will answer the Solar Propulsion question.  Martin/Brad over to you.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 04, 2007, 07:34:34 AM
Marine Modelling magazine is running a Solar challenge at the moment....
http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/events/default.aspx?cid=3687

Ppsailor - please feel free to start a new topic - solar boats.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Captbill on July 05, 2007, 02:35:19 AM
For those of you wondering how tight Scoot turns  ;D you might want to have a look at this..

http://media.putfile.com/Scoot-the-Springer

 :o :o :o

Wow! What a great video Toes!!!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: roycv on July 10, 2007, 02:40:58 PM
Hi all reading this thread with interest.  As a game what about each Springer towing an inflated baloon and have a pin or bursting device on the bow?  Sort of 'Last man standing' i.e last Springer to still have an inflated baloon.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 13, 2007, 10:10:30 AM
Ho Where is Everybody...Seems like the Springers Have Sprung...

Norry
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 13, 2007, 11:06:34 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that too Norry. I`m still building anybody else ? Some talk about a do in November...brrrrr. Loch Insh in Sept is just about enough time for a few more to appear.....hint !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on July 13, 2007, 12:05:06 PM
I am busy building both a Springer and a 12/4th scale pusher tug, I will try to get some pictures out over the weekend. Scotland in September sounds nice, but being on holiday at Niagara Falls sounds better ;D ;D.

Yes we are getting some springers together for the show at Warwick in November 9, 10, 11, put on a display and a football match. If any one is interested in coming let me know, then I can let the organisers know how much Mayhem to expect.

One note on this the organisers say that any Springers coming to the Warwick show have to be there for all three days, so that is from the Friday to the Sunday. I am going to be there for the three days so if you wanted to get your Springers to me I could take them you would then be able to have a play when you come, I could then return them to you after the show.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 15, 2007, 06:36:12 PM
 Hi all look what i got today... As a totally useless builder i got a friend to make the hull for my springer (thanks BobF) and I'm going to try and do the rest myself. will keep you all posted as this will be the first boat I've ever tried to make i tend to just buy them built so watch this space :)

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 15, 2007, 07:37:43 PM
Welcome to the Springer Mayhem!  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 15, 2007, 08:25:01 PM


   ...Gaun Yersell Chris...You Can Do It...

  ...All The Best...Norry...

...Plan ahead...take Your Time...Build in Cardboard First If That Helps Then Build it in Wood or Plastic...Its Easy...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 15, 2007, 09:56:46 PM
What are you  planning for a top Chris ? Anything goes,tug, military/naval hasnt had much interest so far. Time we started a barges section too. Any details of yours Norry.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: link43mk on July 16, 2007, 10:09:23 AM
are there any plans available for this type of tug
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on July 16, 2007, 12:17:08 PM
There are plans at the beginning of this posting. The basic hull is 18inches or 450mm long by 8inches or 200mm wide. If you have a problem printing them let me know and I will post you a copy.
Keep us informed of how it is going and what the top is like, if you have any queries ask away there are quite a few springer builders here.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 16, 2007, 12:23:03 PM
Plans: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/Plans.doc
RULES:
18" x 8" inch hull size and floor shape as per plan.
Single Motor up to 540 size ( gearing etc. allowed ) eg. 540/550 / Speed 600. ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!
Power - Up to 7.2 volts
SINGLE RUDDER BLADE TYPE up 4" Sq.
Must have a superstructure of some sort.

You can fit steam if you wish,  jet turbines also allowed no IC or Diesel engines or Pulse Jets!   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 20, 2007, 08:51:42 AM
well I started on the super structure this morning it was 03:45. I've decided to rip off a boat i already have (Paula 3) thought it would be an easy build but have scaled it down a bit will post some pics when i got time off to the lake now to set up for the MPBA national championships that start tomorrow

see ya all Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on July 20, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
Good idea Chris, I've gone same route as you and got a fellow Mayhemer to build hull (and install motor, prop and esc etc.). I'm going to try and aproximatly replicate my newly completed AlKhubar which has been lovingly built by Graham at themodeldock.  I too will post once my superstructure work commences.

Mogsy
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 22, 2007, 11:27:11 AM
My mate Sandy goes to car-boot sales browsing for books to buy and sometimes comes home with useful "bits n pieces" for modelling. These are his latest finds.  A broken digger and a giant construction site crane, latter in working order after some fiddling.  Stripping the digger I think we have an ideal top for a Springer, just needs some nautical items added, mast, nav lights etc. The crane can be dismantled to be a cargo or the lower half used as a working barge crane. Worth looking for discarded toys for dock-side items too.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 22, 2007, 11:28:41 AM
...and before.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 22, 2007, 11:30:29 AM
...and the crane, worth the three quid he paid for it !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 22, 2007, 11:32:00 AM
...or as dockside feature.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on July 22, 2007, 09:44:52 PM
tis good is that. Goes along with the whole springer philosophwee 2, as well.
Burp!!
 Been at in laws 40th in Abergaveneneneyeneyyy (Welsh). Very , very drunk.
What I am saying is that springer tug design and build should be best practised using what s to hand or available for not much do , dough , dow?
I'm spending forever desiinging my superstructure using card to mock up but only coz I feel duty bound to do the hull justice.
Hull not built by me but by a fellow mayhemmer. Even bought Graupner tyre fenders for a fiver but I might just save for something els now.

That digger top is ideal int it.

Mogs
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kendalboatsman on July 22, 2007, 09:49:03 PM

 Been at in laws 40th in Abergaveneneneyeneyyy (Welsh). Very , very drunk.


Mogs

Hi Mogs,

When I was a very little un, I had trouble saying Abergavenny and used to say Avergapenny ;D

Clive :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on July 22, 2007, 10:02:12 PM
Its the Champers  we drank at Llansanfraed Court and back home in Caerleon. probly wrong spelling. great lake there mind.
My in laws 40th anv
Mogs
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 23, 2007, 11:51:35 AM
well my springer is starting to take shape did as much as my back would allow me to do today but it's getting there slowly here's a pic of how its looking so far.

bye for now Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on July 23, 2007, 12:05:42 PM
Hi Chris
Nice looking springer, its coming on well. I hope you have a high coaming inside that superstructure, trust me you will need it. When I built mine I fitted a 25mm coaming inside the superstructure, it was worth it. The only boat that dives better than my springer is a sub :D :D

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 23, 2007, 02:10:22 PM
Hi Brian thanks for your comments and yes i got large coamings well 20 mil anyway hope they will be  enough. Justbeen having a think about putting a brushless in it just 4 a laugh but am still undecided. One question i will ask everyone is do they need a skeg on ????? or could i just use a P bracket to support the prop tube.


thanks Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on July 23, 2007, 02:24:04 PM
Hi Chris

All the articles I have read say to put a skeg on if you are going to play football, I have not seen many that do not have a skeg but if you want to put a P bracket on to support the tube then do it. I would be interested in how it handles, as for a brushless motor can not comment on that as I have not fitted one. Are they less power hungry than say a Johnson 540??.

The other Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 23, 2007, 05:07:27 PM
HI again well the pain killers kicked in so i thought id press on with a bit more. I'm really happy with how its coming together i know its very basic but it is my first build. I will start fitting the motor and radio next week so should be nearly done bye next weekend heres a few more pics  ;D

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 24, 2007, 12:09:23 AM
Justbeen having a think about putting a brushless in it just 4 a laugh but am still undecided. One question i will ask everyone is do they need a skeg on ????? or could i just use a P bracket to support the prop tube.

As far as i am aware, a Skeg isnt in the 'rules' for the standard Springer hull. Neither of my standard Springers have a full skeg (its more of a prop tube support where it exits the hull) and Scoot certainly is the smallest skeg / support i can get away with.

As for the brushless motor... DIVE, DIVE, DIVE... Speed is something you certainly DONT want with a Springer.. but it would be fun to watch one with a brushless..

Looking like a nice build BridRacer
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 29, 2007, 11:52:11 AM
A bit like that brushless powered crazy R/C duck !. What news from Stateside Toes ? What about Super Kort Sally ? I`ve started a VERY semi-scale US Coast Guard bouy laying Springberry based on USCG Elderberry. Any UK Springer infestations , and I dont mean manifestations, at events ? Whats happening to all the builds? Norry? Ching? Martin? Hanna? Clive? Uncle Tom Cobblie and all ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 29, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
              ...Hi Guys...

Myself & Wee Johnny ( my 7 year old son) spent the day at the Scottish Federation Regatta in Glasgow & had a smashing time...The Wee Guy didn,t fall in the pond for a change...

Johnny took part in both Steering & Docking competitions & The R.N.L.I. Rescue Competiition using his Damen Springer Tug...

He took first in the Glasgow Richmond S & D ...  2nd in The Scottish Federation S & D... and
 3rd in The R.N.L.I. Rescue Competition...  A nice Wee Treble for the Springers....

To cap it all off he won a bottle of Whisky in the raffle...(Papa was pleased )

He hopes to compete in other competitions throughout the country, So look out Springers...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 30, 2007, 08:20:43 AM
Jeez ! is that wee bugg......boy comin` tae Loch Insh , oh no!!!! ! (well done Wee Johnny) Any pictures Norry ?  Well done the Federation too, for dashing down to the corner shop for a suitable prize for the seven year old. 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 30, 2007, 08:27:18 AM
Hi all well it looks like springer mayhem has hit bridlington model boat society i know of at least 6 members who are building them and theres a lot of others saying there going to so with a bit of luck there might be an event or 2 for them at or club this year :) My build has been coming on well and i hope to have it finished by the weekend will post pic's when it's done.

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 30, 2007, 09:13:28 AM
That is good Brid. I think the silence on the Forum re Springers is the flurry of building activity.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 30, 2007, 06:17:22 PM
Well i had 5 mins spare so i took a pic just painted the superstructure this morning. only got the hull to paint now and the radio gear to install so will be done by the weekend :)


see you all
Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 31, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
 ...Hi arrow5...

There is a good set of pictures on the Scottish Federation of Model Boat Clubs Web-Site...


Loch Insch is still very firmly in our plans of trips this season...

...All the Best...Norry & Johnny...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 31, 2007, 01:31:22 PM
Thanks Norry. Dont go to INSCH thats in Aberdeen.....! Loch Insh is at Kincraig, 6 miles south of Aviemore just off the A9 ( turn off at Kingussie and follow Loch Insh Watersports brown signs).  Hope you can bring some barges or anything interesting as well as Springer(s). You might have the whole loch to yourselves, you`ll love it !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 31, 2007, 02:31:21 PM
hi all well the paint jobs all done now so here you go theres still some little bits to add but this is what is going to look like. Its not been water tested yet so will have a few hours at the lake with it one day this week.

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 31, 2007, 05:00:45 PM
Lookin` goood  Brid, putting the waterline on ? Forgot to say Loch Insh is about 2 and a half hours from Edinburgh. Got main line train and regular bus services.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 31, 2007, 05:17:49 PM
Hi arrow wasnt going to bother with the waterline Ive got the rubbing strips to put round the sides yet and to be honest i forgot about it will do it on my next one cos now the wife wants one so got to make a start on hers next week :(

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on July 31, 2007, 08:25:41 PM

Don't forget the pusher bars on the Bow.  (is that what they're called ?)

Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on July 31, 2007, 08:27:10 PM
'Knees' I think.
Mogs
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 31, 2007, 09:06:51 PM
thats all in hand Tug--kenny there on now. Nothing was fixed in place in that last pic and the knees were still drying after painting. I'm just putting the motor mount in it now waiting for epoxy to dry then the radio gear can go in and i might just get to the lake on Thursday to test her (make sure she floats) and see what ballast she needs just hope the prop will make her move ok its only a 30 mill one .... watch this space :)

Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on July 31, 2007, 09:17:27 PM

Hi Chris

I have a 35 mm prop and she chugs along sedately. I thought of a 40 mm prop but was advised she might push down at speed.  I haven't tried one yet.  Perhaps a 30 mm prop would need to spin fast.

I've had more fun with mine than a my proper boat.  (brings out the boy in you  8) )


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 31, 2007, 09:21:26 PM
Hi ken well i had the 30 mill prop given so i thought id try it. The motor I'm using is a speed 600 so should spin it ok and i know its against the rules but its a 4 bladed prop so should have a bit more push behind it.

Thanks Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on July 31, 2007, 09:28:13 PM

 I look forward to your results. I could do with a bit more speed myself.  :D

Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on July 31, 2007, 09:30:32 PM
Well ive built this to try and slow me down im more of a racer than anything but a guy at our club built one of these told me about the forum and the rest is history but will let everyone know how she sail..... right back to the workshop and my BEER :) :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on July 31, 2007, 09:31:59 PM
Hi Chris, my springer and Hannah's are fitted with 40mm 3 blade props and we are using 540 motors running on 7.2 volt buggy packs and they go very nicely, get very wet on the deck but if you ballast the boat to sit slightly nose high it helps to stop the submarine effect, or failing that don't push the throttle stick right forward. These boats are very stable as our football antics at Wicksteed proved and they took alot of abuse!!!!!!!!!! ( talk about bumper boats ;D ;D ;D)

Mark and Hannah (springer champion)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 31, 2007, 09:44:43 PM
I think you Springer guys in GB ought to see this..

One of the RC Groups guys, KeithS took this pic at the Tidewater Cup, In Washington State over the weekend..

This has to be the best finish to a Springer i have yet seen..  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 31, 2007, 09:51:54 PM
My inspiration...never was a neat and tidy builder, trouble is to make one look as bad as this takes great skill. A work of genius. Show us the matching barge Toes.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: slewis on July 31, 2007, 09:57:55 PM
The weathering on that one is something I can only dream of achieving !  Cracking job !!

Shane
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on July 31, 2007, 10:31:06 PM
That springer is a beaut, That weathering must have taken days, do you have any more pictures Toes. If I built one like that I would not want to get it wet :D :D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 31, 2007, 11:14:22 PM
Not matched to the Springer in the earlier pic Arrow.. But together with this barge they would make a stunning pair..
Pic again courtesy of KeithS
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 01, 2007, 06:34:42 AM
Bridracer
My first Springer had a 35mm 3 bladed prop driven by a Johnson 540 (direct drive) It could push but I thought it had too much power and the springer would dive a lot, so have put a 380 motor in it and altered the rudder shape. When I finish the paint touch up I will give it a go and let you know how it runs. The springer I am building now, for Warwick will have a 3 bladed 35mm prop with the 540 motor back in it (maybe) as it is only playing football it might have too much grunt. :D :D
Need to get it finished and see.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 01, 2007, 11:27:14 AM
Ching; what weight did your Springer turn out to be ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 01, 2007, 12:35:52 PM
Arrow
I do not know, when I get home from work this afternoon I will put it on the scales and let you know.


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 01, 2007, 06:15:25 PM
OK
My Springer has an all up weight of 3.85kg, the boat with, motor, servo, prop and superstructure weighs 2.0kg.
The majority of the ballast was batteries:- 2 x 6v 4ah SLA's for motor, 7.2v 1600mah Ni-cad for lights and a Hitec receiver battery, just before the Mayhem weekend I added some extra weight towards the rear of the tug to try and keep the front high. the boat is constructed of 8mm water proof ply on the sides, ends and the deck, with 2.5 lite ply on the bottom and the superstructure. On the front curve I did put some .5mm beech ply internally  to strengthen it. My push knees are 12mm mdf.

I did not realise I had such a heavy boat, the one I am building now could be heavier as the sides and ends are 10mm waterproof ply.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 01, 2007, 06:57:34 PM

My Springer has an all up weight of 3.85kg..

I did not realise I had such a heavy boat, the one I am building now could be heavier as the sides and ends are 10mm waterproof ply.

Tigger and Templeton are about 8.5lb (3.85Kg) each..
Scoot is pushing 10lb (4.53Kg)...  :o :o :o

I hope Mustang Sally comes in at less than Scoot.. but i tend to doubt it..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 01, 2007, 07:01:32 PM
Erm...

Mustang Sally guys...  ;D :o 8)

WARNING:.. you may want to pass on the last picture..  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 01, 2007, 08:16:41 PM
Hey Toes
Did you steal that prop from a boomer? ;) ;) ;)


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on August 01, 2007, 09:42:51 PM
Thats not a Springer Tug.....Its a Pond Emptying Device...You Start it up & it throws all the water out of the pond...

Is that a 40mm or 40cm prop...She,s certainly member of the Un-restricted Class with tackle like that on board...

...Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 01, 2007, 11:37:54 PM
Thats not a Springer Tug.....Its a Pond Emptying Device...You Start it up & it throws all the water out of the pond...

Is that a 40mm or 40cm prop


Its managing to frighten a lot of Springer Captains over here in the US of A..  ;D

The prop is about 3 1/2" (90mm) inside a 4" (100mm) kort...   :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on August 03, 2007, 06:46:58 PM
Hi Folks!
Took Chris (a.k.a.Brid-racer) down to the lake today to give his Springer it's first sea trials. I wish I had taken my camera with me but I still had my phone and once I had worked out how to stop it taking videos and take photos instead I got these 2 pics before my battery ran too low. Even Chris admits th at it's a tad overpowered........ ::) The club is taking our mobile pool to a carnival on Sunday so no doubt we will see if he has made any changes by then...........watch this space...... :-\
Ian.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BridRacer on August 03, 2007, 07:02:19 PM
they didn't come out 2 bad did they Ian there wont b any mods done b4 sunday. The best thing that happened was when i went full astern then full forward the boat leaped out of the water and as you can see from the pics it has a rooster tail :D

Chris :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 08, 2007, 08:16:26 PM
Another non towboat Springer. Based on US Coastguard vessel Elderberry she will be called "Springberry". Some details to be added yet but will be afloat this weekend for sea-trials.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 09, 2007, 12:18:59 AM
The man in a Springer tug production line!   ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on August 09, 2007, 06:34:44 AM
good work arrow5.
The front look likes it solves the submarineing tendency.
  You've gone for a scale similar to where I'm at, what size is the stair to the raised rea deck and who supplies them (I need a couple of these)????
Mogs
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
Thanks Mogsy, the stairs come from a trader on Ebay called Wingertaz. Based in Blackpool he is a regular advertiser in the model boats section. The sizes are  84mm X 20mm with 6mm runs. If I get more info I`ll PM you. What is your Springer going to be?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogsy on August 09, 2007, 01:19:22 PM
Hi Arrow5, mine is going to be a replica of the Modelslipway Alkhubar as built for me by Graham Walker at Themodeldock.
The one thats on his front page.  My key idea is to build a wheelhouse form plasticard painted in the same colour scheme (Lada and Vauxhal blues) with detail finish glued on. I'm going to make all the handrails from soldered brass rod.

It's for my lad who's only 4. It's to stop him touching dads !!!  I am using it to test my skills - after having the Model slipway kit in the attic for 2 years I had to surrender and get Graham to build that.  The springer seems less taxing and a fellow Mayhemer has built me a wonderfull hull on which to mount my effort for superstructure/wheelhouse.
Thanks for the sizings on stairs, I should be able to use this as a base when scaling the rest of the build.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 11, 2007, 01:27:59 PM
....oh yes, "its for my son", yeah heard that one before !  Good UK-ish subject as opposed to the very Yank towboats.  Like you I have a few unfinished projects in the loft ! I see that wingertaz has a few nice items on eBay this week. I dont see any steps this time.  You could also try Reade Model Fittings who have a link on Mayhem traders list. Post some pics on Mayhem when you make some progress, just to keep interest going on Springers.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 22, 2007, 12:11:47 PM
Any Springer updates ?????  Only a couple of weeks till Loch Insh if you fancy a Highland break. Fun float for any boat but we want Springers for a footy game, any takers ?   Coastguard buoy-layer Springer nearly ready. My mate Sandy is working on his "Spreep", might have an outrunner for power...eeeek !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 23, 2007, 07:48:50 PM
Any Springer updates ????? 
My mate Sandy is working on his "Spreep", might have an outrunner for power...eeeek !

Ok Arrow, here is one for you...
Mustang Sally, a BRONC style US Navy docking tug... just completed and tested today.
She has a 3 1/2" prop in a 4" kort powered by a 12v pittman motor..
.. oh.. and a bow thruster too...  :D  :o

"Outrunner".. bahhh!.. Mustang Sally pulls 4lb 4oz (nearly 2 kilo)  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 23, 2007, 08:42:27 PM
Toes
It may not be a true springer, but that is one hell of a nice model. The first one I have seen in grey, very nice.
You do not live near Vegas do you?  I could have come and seen it run in three weeks time ;D ;D ;D


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 23, 2007, 11:55:31 PM
WoW!  What a bruser! ::)

Glad that thing's on the other side of the pond!  ;D

How about a picture of the internals please?

Martin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 24, 2007, 02:01:31 AM
Toes
It may not be a true springer, but that is one hell of a nice model. The first one I have seen in grey, very nice.
You do not live near Vegas do you?  I could have come and seen it run in three weeks time ;D ;D ;D


Hi Ching
We are about 4 hours drive (on a good day) West of Vegas heading towards LA..
http://www.inlandnauticalsociety.com/
..though there are some boat clubs in the Vegas area.. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 24, 2007, 02:16:49 AM

How about a picture of the internals please?


Twin speed controls, one for the main motor (12v) and one for the bow thruster(6v). There is a small pump under the electronics board that cools the two ESC's.

The motor / prop shaft is toothed belt driven so i can get the batteries low and on their side in the bottom of the hull.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on August 24, 2007, 02:16:26 PM
Quite a tidy setup there!

Where do you find the belt drive units? Probably much quiter than the plastic geared units I'm using at present.

The Springer fleet just continues to grow!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 24, 2007, 04:01:16 PM
Quite a tidy setup there!

Where do you find the belt drive units? Probably much quiter than the plastic geared units I'm using at present.

The Springer fleet just continues to grow!

The gears / belt dive came from Stock Drive Products https://sdp-si.com/eStore/ and is a 1:1 setup.. they do different gears / size belts to get any gear ratio you want.  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 24, 2007, 10:11:54 PM
Top notch Toes , another tour de force. Nice engineering and electrics.  Remind me NEVER to show the internals of my Springers. Have you pic of the real USN (?) one that yours is based on. It would fit in hand luggage when you visit the old country again, hint !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 24, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Remind me NEVER to show the internals of my Springers. Have you pic of the real USN (?) one that yours is based on. It would fit in hand luggage when you visit the old country again, hint !

Oh.. you mean we shouldnt ask to see your birds nest... erm... electrics Arrow?..

At some stage i will be making it back accross the pond so i might just be able to fit a Springer in my hand luggage.. though what the TSA / Airline would make of all the electronics is frightening!!!

I have some pics of the USN versions of  BRONC's that Mustang Sally was modelled on.. though there are several versions. This is the one i chose to use..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 24, 2007, 11:23:17 PM
...looks real!  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 26, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
...looks real!  :o
  Very droll Martin. ::)    From a secrect establishment near a certain Highland loch comes sneak pics of two Springers under construction. One is standard hull with discarded toy Caterpiller bulldozer cab,  "Springing Cat" by Malcolm Jacob.   A bit more radical but also using a child`s Action Man jeep top to look like and amphibious vehicle. The "Spreep" is by Sandy Murray and may be powered by an outrunner.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on August 27, 2007, 11:02:48 AM


My first attempt at scratch building. Great fun. No measurements to follow, just use the eye, even if one looks the other way.  ;)

I plan to add shapes as I go along to make it look the part. Balconies and steps etc.  Then there is the painting, but I won't go into that. My Wife says to use a bright colour, so that we can see it when it goes under water.   :)


Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 27, 2007, 02:04:22 PM
Good one Kenny.....try yellow for the pessimist in the family !  A detail for you, cut the bottom of the push-knees to follow the hull bottom line ie upwards at about 45 degrees. Opinion has it that they may trap a goodly chunk of the bow-wave and let it ride up onto the deck when at speed. I`m inclined to subscribe to the theory. I`ve got mine above the waterline. More pics when on the water please. Any more Springers in your area ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 27, 2007, 10:26:18 PM
I thought you all might like to see the new family portraits from the toesup boat werks (California USA Division)...

We have...

Tigger: 'Standard Springer'.. A British Thames River version
Templeton: 'Standard Springer'.. An 'old School' version
Scoot: 'Super Springer'.. A modern tractor tug version
Mustang Sally: ' :o :o :o :o Springer'... A Navy BRONC version
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on August 28, 2007, 11:36:17 AM


Excellent idea Arrow5. I like yellow. Shall remove the edges as you suggest as I was getting a bow wave.

They are certainly fun to drive on the lake  (as long as you go forwards !) They are so solid you can do anything with them.  ;D

toesupwa, Your selection of Springers are superb. Gives us all something to aim for. Well done.


Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 28, 2007, 12:43:29 PM
Kenny and everybody else, Ive just maidened the Springberry with batteries pretty well aft AND about 2 degrees of up-thrust on the prop-shaft. Boy does she squat down at the rear end, observe the wave at the stern.  The high "dam" bow is not required with this set-up. Next one will have rounded edges at front to reduce drag and improve(?) flow round bow.     Edit; seems I`ve put same pic on twice , sorry....look at it in 3D for full effect :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 03, 2007, 02:45:47 PM
A couple of pics of the 2 most powerfull Springers in the world.. taken at the INS pool yesterday at Riverside, Ca..  O0

By the way, it was 'only' 113 degrees F here yesterday...  :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Kmot on September 03, 2007, 05:35:13 PM


By the way, it was 'only' 113 degrees F here yesterday...  :-\
Ah, but it is a 'dry' heat! lol.....  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ghost in the shell on September 03, 2007, 05:39:43 PM
over here its about 60F, maybe 70
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 03, 2007, 06:30:40 PM

What kind of power and machinery does the the real thing have?

Martin




I have some pics of the USN versions of  BRONC's that Mustang Sally was modelled on.. though there are several versions. This is the one i chose to use..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 03, 2007, 08:29:04 PM
Upper Speyside Shipbuilders had a test day on a bright but windy day last weekend.  Tug-Kenny see one in yellow, the "Wildcat" by Malcolm.  Sandy`s "Spreep" both using child`s toy tops. Arrow Division had the usual selection (3) with the two spare tops.  Some polo practise and a foray out of the sheltered bay and round the jetty to test seaworthiness and a load of flat batteries. Sept 8-9th they will be back awaiting a challenge from all takers in a fun "Splash-In" on Loch Insh (6 miles south of Aviemore). Everybody welcome.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 03, 2007, 08:33:15 PM


Very nice Arrow.

        I had a spare tin of Fire Red and sprayed the cabin all over.

                         Will have to build some sort of fire boat now.   ;D

                                        Pictures to follow

Ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 03, 2007, 10:07:50 PM

What kind of power and machinery does the the real thing have?

Martin




I have some pics of the USN versions of  BRONC's that Mustang Sally was modelled on.. though there are several versions. This is the one i chose to use..


The real BRONC that Mustang Sally is modelled on has a Cummins QSM 11, 335kw (449hp) / 2100rpm turning a 1000mm prop in a Schottel rudderpropeller.
Length 7.6m (24.9ft)
Breadth 3.3m (10.8ft)
Draught 1.82m (6ft)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 04, 2007, 02:23:59 PM
Tug-Ken, red is OK but they seem to have a lot of white on them too. Squirting monitors then ??????  There is a short video of the practise run on Loch Insh on YouTube  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtt2Ms2n-w or if that doesnt work search for post by Blue Zugspitze in Sports Category,tags are Springer,Boats,Scotland
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 04, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
   

                  Wonderful


Recommend everyone has a look at your video.  Great fun.  Made me smile.  O0

Brings back memories of Mayhem's weekend with a game of football.  Me versus 'No mustang Mark'.   Best fun I've had in ages.

My engine isn't as fast as yours however, but I do have a second hull, waiting in the wings for an 'out of spec'  turbo version.  Thought I might get her up on the plane.   :o


Cheers...Ken



Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 04, 2007, 11:04:02 PM
Glad you liked it Ken...it was a fun day. I think its an optical illusion re my "fast" motor. Its just a bog standard 540 out Maplins for £6 with mount , using 35mm prop, might try 38 , have tried cut down 40. Still on 6v, no real plans for souping-up.  How about a pic of yours in fire engine red?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 06, 2007, 10:42:53 PM
Checking scale details....! VIC 32 meets McSpringer at Muirton Locks on the Caledonian Canal at Inverness today.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Dave_Sohlstrom on September 07, 2007, 03:05:19 AM
Arrow

Is Vic32 the type of vessel known as a puffer?

Dave
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Kmot on September 07, 2007, 04:09:49 AM
Green ropes! How interesting. How many colors of ropes are in use today?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 07, 2007, 07:06:04 AM
Arrow

Is Vic32 the type of vessel known as a puffer?

Dave

    Yes, but they dont "puff", see the history on their web-page. www.savethepuffer.co.uk
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 07, 2007, 07:08:21 AM
Green ropes! How interesting. How many colors of ropes are in use today?
  About the same as the owners braces (suspenders). !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on September 07, 2007, 08:09:09 AM
Well this is my first Springer message but they have really taken off in Bridlington. I have just ordered 25 motors on behalf of members so we could well end up with quite a fleet! Even I'm building one and I'm into fast electrics!! You guys have caused quite a stir with these boats, even one of our lady members is busy building one and I think it will have a Barbie theme to it. (Oh dear me....... :()
Cheers,
ian.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 07, 2007, 08:21:55 AM
...even one of our lady members is busy building one and I think it will have a Barbie theme to it. (Oh dear me....... :()
Cheers,
ian.

Is that 'Barbie' the Doll or "barbie' the grill (goes well with beer  O0 )
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on September 07, 2007, 08:43:33 AM
I'd prefer 'Barbie' the grill but knowing the lady concerned it is bound to be 'Barbie' the doll!
Cheers,
Ian
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: anmo on September 07, 2007, 08:44:56 AM
...even one of our lady members is busy building one and I think it will have a Barbie theme to it. (Oh dear me....... :()
Cheers,
ian.

Is that 'Barbie' the Doll or "barbie' the grill (goes well with beer  O0 )

An elderly neighbour told me the other day, "I've just bought one of those George Formby grills that you see advertised on TV". I think that one might need explaining to younger or nonUK members.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 07, 2007, 08:51:19 AM
I'd prefer 'Barbie' the grill but knowing the lady concerned it is bound to be 'Barbie' the doll!
Cheers,
Ian
 8)

Keep us updated Ian... with pictures if possible..  :o

George Formby....  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 07, 2007, 11:43:12 AM
TWENTY FIVE  :o wow!  Looks like we are going to get an Intenational polo game yet. Barbie, why not . She has a lot of ready-made accessories and vehicles to add to the hulls. Got to be pink come on the girls ! Our Sandy`s Spreep came from Action Man. Have look for any discarded/wrecked Dickie Tugs for a ready made wheel-house and odds and ends like life belts , water monitors etc. Could even be basis for stern wheeler with little mods. I`m sorting one out for a prize at Loch Insh this weekend (8-9th sept)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on September 11, 2007, 10:56:45 AM
...Hi Arrow5...

How many boats should we bring up to Loch Insh on Sunday ?.
We could bring a few other tugs & barges if you wish...
Wee Johnny & I are  looking forward to the trip...(His Life jacket is loaded in the car already)...
I dont know yet how many persons are coming with us, So if the Galaxy isn,t filled with people we could fill it with boats...
See You On Suday...     
 
     ...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 11, 2007, 03:20:58 PM
Ach Norrie ma man, it was last weekend !  Anyway come on up this weekend,or anytime you feel like it for a wee splash-aboot. The management of the watersports centre is very keen to host a regatta next year and it would be good to get your expert advice on whether we should attempt such a thing. The Tarlair and Thurso/Wick clubs might like not having to go so far south as normal, what do you think. Bring some boats and barges for a trial of the loch. Nobody except the local plane club came along, well we didnt realy push the advertising and it was a cold dreich weekend. We had a bash-aboot with a ball to entertain the flier`s wives and kids (and the public). We let some folk have a go with the Springers. I made smoke to hide the ball, also rescued a downed plane before the full size rescue boat got to it. I made a few changes to a Dickie Tug for a raffle or a prize but we just kept it pending future developements. Great potential as a venue.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 11, 2007, 03:22:57 PM
Oops more double posts finger trouble....and you wonder how I keep my planes in the air !!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 12, 2007, 05:37:30 PM
Righto, Having started my springer last night and the basic hill now complete, what length prop shaft do I need?

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 12, 2007, 07:47:01 PM
Depends on where you are mounting the motor.  9" to 10" should do it, buy a long one and you can shorten it rather than the other way round and be stuck with a too short shaft ...if you see what I mean :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Cabadaj on September 12, 2007, 08:08:14 PM
Hi everybody !  Today I was searching some information about dock, so I found this website. I am making Springer Class boats. So I want to show you my last boat. It s named FIRST.

(http://sablatura.ic.cz/jan/storage/1.jpg)

If you want to make same boat like me, you can go to this website : http://www.mo-na-ko.net/php/portal/view.php?cisloclanku=2007070004 (http://www.mo-na-ko.net/php/portal/view.php?cisloclanku=2007070004)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 12, 2007, 10:50:53 PM
Welcome Cabadaj, Good link, thank you. O0   A well built Springer you have. Is this the first in your country ? We would all like to see some more photos I`m sure. The relentless spread of the Springer world-wide !!! Are you in the Czech Republic ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Cabadaj on September 13, 2007, 09:15:56 PM
Hi Arrow! Yeah, I am from Czech Republic (Silesia). And you? Where are you from? You asked me that is it first springer in my country, so I think it is. In this time is some people creating another ones (I heard about six people). Reason is that Springers is new category there. I am sending photo of my unfinished Springer number two alias Smit Barracuda.

(http://sablatura.ic.cz/jan/storage/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 14, 2007, 12:07:32 PM
Hi Cabadaj, I`m from Scotland in the U.K. and I think I was the first Springer builder in the UK,very new here too, now there are many. I think the same will happen all over Europe  soon. I like your new Smitt version, looks like you are going to do some serious towing. Kort nozzle too, hmmmm very interesting.  The upward angled fore-deck is a sensible design feature.  You must post some photos of the other Springers being built in Czech Rep. on Mayhem and the American www.RCGroups.com  in the Dock Talk-Springer section of Boats. Member Toesupwa has already posted the link you gave here on the American site. They will be impressed. More pictures and happy sailing O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on September 16, 2007, 03:03:38 PM
A little warning to all you springer's sometimes they are top heavy :D
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Devall.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 16, 2007, 03:12:17 PM
Good close-up shot for details, now can we see the other side please ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 17, 2007, 05:20:01 AM
A little warning to all you springer's sometimes they are top heavy :D

Do you know which tug that is Portside?...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on September 17, 2007, 07:08:52 AM
Not got the foggy'st ,swimbo keeps finding photos of distressed boats and putting them as backgrounds on the pc  maybe she is trying to tell me something :)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: vicmac on September 17, 2007, 07:47:11 AM
Hi Arrow! Yeah, I am from Czech Republic (Silesia). And you? Where are you from? You asked me that is it first springer in my country, so I think it is. In this time is some people creating another ones (I heard about six people). Reason is that Springers is new category there. I am sending photo of my unfinished Springer number two alias Smit Barracuda.



Hi Cabadaj and all!

I am also form Czech rep. and have been finished my Springer in 6/2007. I am very happy with this. Look at my photos: http://picasaweb.google.com/silnicar/SpringerTug (http://picasaweb.google.com/silnicar/SpringerTug)

best regards!

Viktor
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 18, 2007, 11:17:55 PM
hi guys ! After looking through all the info on mayhem forum i just started making one of these springy thingys ! Just wanted to know if there are any more of these in my area. I come from essex in the u.k. and belong to watt tyler model boat club. Dont really feel like playing solo soccer.  LOOKS LIKE REALLY GOOD FUN..............REGARDS TO ALL ........ESSEX BOY BOB!.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 19, 2007, 07:54:17 AM
Welcome to Springeritus Bob. Just build one and your clubmates will follow, guaranteed O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 19, 2007, 02:08:21 PM
Just a thought, i have seen some people say they were having a problem with water coming up the rudder tube because of the low water line. A system i have used before is nothing more than a piece of silicon fuel tube that is a snug fit roubd the rudder shaft and can be spread over the rudder tube thus ,instant water seal ! Maybe its been tried already ,but if it helps .             regards to all.......bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 19, 2007, 03:11:10 PM
Good tip Bob...but are you building one yet ??????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 19, 2007, 03:37:52 PM
Welcome to the springer madhouse Bob, whereabouts in Essex is the Watt Tyler Model Boat Club? I live in Chingford in London.
I always put an oiler tube on my prop shaft and then use semi  liquid grease in the tube, at the Mayhem weekend I had no problems with water creep up the tube just water coming over the bow and deck ;D ;D ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 19, 2007, 05:25:12 PM
I think he said rudder tube Ching, I just use lashings of Vaseline on top and bottom and in the rudder tube...no probs. Vaseline not so good in prop tube, too stiff when cold.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 19, 2007, 07:50:42 PM
Hi guys. yes it was the rudder tube, works a treat.  Yes i am building a springer, only just started on it , got all the dimensions etc from the american site. Watt tyler boat club is situated behind the motor boat museum in watt tyler country park , pitsea, basildon, essex...the club has a webb site with how to find instructions....... happy boating guys....regards   bob !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 19, 2007, 08:20:27 PM
Give me a break guys, I have only just got back from Las Vegas this cold weather is slowing my brain down. ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are right you did say rudder tube, I use vaseline and then put a seal on the top. The Duracell PP3 batteries that we have at work have a rubber seal over one terminal, perfect for a rudder tube seal. I will look the web site up, might see you there bob.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 19, 2007, 09:44:02 PM
Look forward to seeing you..There most sundays.  Got to get the springer finished now or ill have to make it an ice breaker!!!!!!   Now theres a thought.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 20, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
Now then me hearties,

having just started my springer, I was wondering...what is the consensus of opinion on the best motor to use?

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 20, 2007, 05:27:46 PM
I dont know about "best" motor but in keeping with the cheap n cheerfull nature of the Springer Class boat I`d stick to a bog standard 540 available everywhere even Maplins. Any model boat shop should have or get one for you. You can experiment later. I`d advise a water cooling coil too. Whatcha building ? Any pics yet ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 20, 2007, 05:55:00 PM
not much to show yet, bet here it is.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 20, 2007, 06:56:10 PM
As arrow5 said there is no best motor, just keep it cheep.
I put a Johnson 540 in my first springer, could pull anything but it was so overpowered that on its own anything over half throttle and I could get water an inch deep on the deck. I have now converted it to a 385 yet to be tested, my new springer will also have a 385 in it. Both will be able to take a 540 if I need to put one in, the bolts holding the mount to the hull are the same dimension for both motors. I have 33mm props on both my springers but no water cooling.
I think  if you want to play football then a 540 is way over the top, unless you want to take the opponents and the ball through the net at the same time;D ;D ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 20, 2007, 07:41:08 PM
Yep everything Ching says plus consider the high bow and fore-deck shown in the Czech fellows build pics or a simpler high "wall" as seen on MacSpringer way back in the early posts. Any interesting ideas for the superstructure ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 20, 2007, 08:48:05 PM
Thanks guys,
Not thought about the superstructure yet - will see what 'springs' to mind through building the hull

 ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Cabadaj on September 21, 2007, 06:16:46 AM
Hi all. I am sorry because I am now finishing my moving of boat. Last week in Prague was presented another Springer from Pavel Šťastný (=Happy), who uses Springler in TT. He finished at second place. I am so glad because at this websites I met boat from Victor. And I want to invite everybody (especially Victor) who Is from Czech area, becouse in Olomouc - Flora is large races (there will be at least three Springers)

I ll send photos then.

Cabadaj
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 21, 2007, 08:20:13 AM
That is interesting Cab, we all look forward to see the three(or more?) Springers from your part of the world. Make sure you fly the Czech Republic flag ! Happy sailing.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 24, 2007, 08:42:29 PM
It is awful quite in here, building I suppose ::) to cheer you up there has been a couple of Springer clips of goings on in a Highland glen on You tube.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B99SxXNrCBc   MacMayhem on the Loch :laugh:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 24, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
Arrow5 - I've got to get me one of those smoke units!!!!  :o
What make & model is it please?

Martin
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 24, 2007, 10:54:10 PM
Martin, the smoke is pyrotechnic and generates heat, you will need a metal funnel. Available in various colours for model aircraft use. Best for boats is the slimmer 65 second burn in white.  "smoke screens" for battle scenes the 4 minute burn would be good if you have the space on the vessel. The "black" is rather purple-ish but if used with the orange could simulate a vessel on fire. Available from Robotbirds.com      http://robotbirds.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=129_128
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 24, 2007, 11:07:31 PM


How were you able to control its reverse motion ?    I find mine just goes around in circles

Excellent film though. Made me smile.    ;D


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 24, 2007, 11:28:49 PM
Ken, you cant ! It is very random :o PS for another source of smoke pellets try plumber`s supply shops for drain smoke testers. Made by PH Products Ltd. unit C7 Baird Court, Park Farm Industrial Estate. Wellingborough Northants. NN8 6QJ . Pricey but for special events worth it.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 24, 2007, 11:44:07 PM
Hi guys. Well that u tube film made me chuckle.Is that turning circle on a single 4 inch rudder? If it is ,it is quite manouverable.         Nearly finished the basic hull, still cant decide on a top yet. Will a two blade 40mm prop work or is it best to use a three blade ?       regards  bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 25, 2007, 09:02:34 AM
Yes that is the standard rudder with the Gurney strip on trailing edge. Never tried a two-blade prop. I guess they are for high revs on high-speed boats. I use a 3 blade  40 mm cut down to 38-ish. A 35mm 3 blade is pretty much best, less load.  I see Youtube has clumped together some other Springer clips we shot, check the menu under the main picture at end of clip.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 25, 2007, 09:04:41 AM
whats a gurney strip?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 25, 2007, 09:17:07 AM
Aren't they something to do with hospital trolleys?!!?  ::)

But I did find this.... http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~mason/Mason_f/AIAA2007-4175.pdf
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kayem on September 25, 2007, 09:33:57 AM
Your link on Gurney strips was fascinating Martin, but I had no idea that the concept had spread to aeronautics in general. A Gurney strip is nothing more than a lift modifier on the trailing edge of an aerofoil section, which could I suppose be a boat rudder. The name comes from one Daniel Sexton Gurney, one of the best racing drivers that the USA has ever produced, still a regular visitor to the Goodwood Festival, and an absolutely charming gentleman. His original idea was to add a narrow strip of aluminium, or aluminum as he would have caused it, to the full width rear bodywork of sports racing cars, as far as I can remember, he first did this to cars he was racing in the 1960s, but after a while most such cars were equipped with fairly substantial downforce inducing shapes moulded into the bodies, and a Gurney was an additional metal strip bolted to the rear of the moulded part, usually with slotted holes to that it could be moved up and down to alter the effect. The term is still used in racing today, and I never imagined that my early employment history would ever be useful in this way on Mayhem.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kayem on September 25, 2007, 09:43:08 AM
I've just found this pic that I took at Goodwood this year, a good example of a fairly elaborate Gurney flap. The car is a 1970 approx Lola T70, and I was responsible for some of the styling of the bodywork on the original car. 1970. All of a sudden, I feel terribly old.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 25, 2007, 02:07:07 PM
Hello martin. I used to live in gurney road, does that count ?. Please excuse me if i seem ffiiik (DER) ! BUTTHIS ERE GURNEY TAB IS FITTED UNDER THE WING TO IMPROVE LIFT.if you put one on each side of the rudder do they not cancel each other out ? regards....confused.......bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 25, 2007, 07:48:55 PM


I was wondering if it was on one side only, then the boat would veer against straight running.  ;)


Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 25, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
Hi ken. i reckon that if it was on one side only it would make it turn unevenly .i.e,it would bias towards the side with the tab, i could be wrong of course but thats what i fink............regards bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 25, 2007, 09:04:47 PM
They are fitted like a T on the rear of the rudder. The other term is " fishtail" or "Salmon tail".
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 25, 2007, 10:07:57 PM
They are fitted to make the springer turn in a smaller circle, handy if you are going to play football. The drag is minimal, I have a piece of 4mm square brass on the back of one of my rudders, fitted so from below it looks like a diamond. If I can get my camera to talk to my PC I will post a photo.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 25, 2007, 10:19:30 PM
Hi brian   Theres a photo of one of those on the american site exactly as you describe it.  Wondered what it was. My hull now built with 1/2 inch ply sides 2 x 1 pine bow and stern...3/16 ply bottom (in one piece)...interesting to bend....internal bulkheads from 3/16 ply, its already as heavy as a skip...now theres an idea for a top, could call it sprippy.................regards......bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 25, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
You got me bob I was just posting this as you posted yours.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 25, 2007, 10:32:46 PM
Hi Bob
Both of mine are built the same, 8mm ply sides, 10mm ply ends and the deck is 8mm. The bottom is 1.6mm ply on one of them and 2mm light ply on another, I reinforce the front area with another piece of ply inside all epoxied into place. I do not have any internal bulkheads.
With all the internals in them my springers have a fighting weight of about 4.2kg dripping wet so do not be surprised at the weight of yours.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 25, 2007, 10:54:13 PM
Hi brian ..If i can find out how to put piccies on here i'll take some of my build for you.  The only internal bulkhead as such is across the bow three inches back from the front, this spaceis filled with foam just in case....I'll definately try one of those gurney thingy's now i know what they are....cheers......regards...bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 25, 2007, 11:25:25 PM
I`ve just added a very short clip of a Springer spinning at fairly slow speed on Youtube. It spins just as quick when going fast. Great for footy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQIO   or search for posts by MacSpringer for others.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 26, 2007, 03:50:27 PM
I`ve just added a very short clip of a Springer spinning at fairly slow speed on Youtube. It spins just as quick when going fast. Great for footy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0  or search for posts by MacSpringer for others.
  Dont think I got that right , the last digit is zero not an O, or just search for post by MacSpringer and a couple should come up.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 26, 2007, 09:52:59 PM


Brilliant, Arrow.  I'm definitely going to try this.   8)

Here is the corrected address for those interested in seeing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0


Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 26, 2007, 10:29:37 PM
Thanks Kenny, it is even more impressive at speed :o  Some smashing and bashing footy practise on www.putfile.com/Arrow5   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 27, 2007, 07:39:24 AM
Been thinking about this gurney thing and it hurt! ;D

I wonder how effective it really is on this type of rudder, as its origional intent was to work with an aerofoil section. I think that when fitted to a flat section rudder its effectiveness may not be as expected, mainly because when the rudder turned, the vortices set up on the low pressure side are far greater with a flat section than with an aerofoil section and thus possibly overriding any gain from a gurney.

Also,and I stand to be corrected here, I think a gurny should be at 90deg to the fluid flow to be effective, hence a box section effect may be reduced.

It would be interesting to see some proper tests carried out to judge the effectiveness.

I seem to recall, from college days - waaaayyyy back - that on an aerofoil section, if you finish the trailing edge with a flat surface set at 90deg to the width of the foil that drag inducing vortices are reduced. This flat surcface was about 1% of the width of the aerofoil.

Food for thought?

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: anmo on September 27, 2007, 09:14:43 AM
If you need to improve the effectiveness of a rudder, especially at low speeds, there's a simpler way than adding complicated square sections to the trailing edge. I've never felt the need to try this myself, but several of my friends have, and they all assure me that it works. All you do is make a cut in a length of round brass tube, and spring this over the trailing edge of the rudder blade. It should be glued on of course, but will hold well enough for a few experimental sailings to see if it works or not. Many full size boats have something like this, though it seems to work best on short fat hulls like modern inshore trawlers, rather than the long thin ones that I usually build. Dimensions don't seem to be at all critical, you can't scale water so almost anything will do, but it needs to be centered so that you get the same shape on both sides.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 27, 2007, 05:15:29 PM
I wonder how effective it really is on this type of rudder, as its origional intent was to work with an aerofoil section. I think that when fitted to a flat section rudder its effectiveness may not be as expected, mainly because when the rudder turned, the vortices set up on the low pressure side are far greater with a flat section than with an aerofoil section and thus possibly overriding any gain from a gurney.

Sort of 'incorrect' Boatmadman...

Even a flat plate (imagine looking down on the rudder from above) will produce a certain amount of 'lift' when angled in to the flow.. in our case, water. That means low pressure on the 'upper' side, higher pressure on the 'lower' side, just like an aircraft wing..

The addition of a 'flap' or square section (at 45 degrees) to the rear of the rudder directs the water flow at a greater angle than the rudder can achieve on the 'underside' of the rudder, but has very little effect on the water flow on the 'upper' side

http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/downloads/mano/hinze_fact.pdf
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 27, 2007, 07:57:04 PM
Whew ! All this sophistication on a hull shaped like brick. Next thing you know will be folk fitting Kort nozzles and bow thrusters, rivets and lighting systems,smoking funnels etc etc......madness ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 27, 2007, 09:39:12 PM
And there i was thinking of making my springer a recovery vehicle complete with crane and hook and of course some flashing orange l.e.d's......that would make it a very nice tug . a very very nice tug.   Oh well!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 28, 2007, 07:38:06 AM
Oh no no no no..you cant do that ! Flashing orange lights indicate a hovercraft underway :police:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 28, 2007, 12:26:49 PM
With the weight this thing is coming out at it would take more power than a 540 motor can generate to make it hover !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 29, 2007, 04:10:31 PM
cant disagree with that website toes, but what I am suggesting is that because the upper (low pressure) side is flat, then there will be a greater tendency for vortices to form closer to the leading edge than with an aerofoil section.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 29, 2007, 09:51:22 PM
Hi guys. I think arrow 5 has got it right. i dont think it will make any differance to a boat shaped like a breeze block ! any way i have made two rudders, one with a t bar or coffee bar or lyons corner house or whatever they are called, and one without i.e normal rudder.  i'll see what differance there is , if any,...............                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            regards bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 30, 2007, 12:40:23 AM
Hi guys. I think arrow 5 has got it right. i dont think it will make any differance to a boat shaped like a breeze block ! any way i have made two rudders, one with a t bar or coffee bar or lyons corner house or whatever they are called, and one without i.e normal rudder.  i'll see what differance there is , if any,...............                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            regards bob.

I for one would be interested in your test results bob...

I have to agree though, unless the rudder is radically different from the 'norm' i cant see there being much effect on the breeze bl.... erm... Springer hull...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on September 30, 2007, 01:58:41 PM
Hi..hows things in the u.s.of a. as soon as i test these things out i,ll let you know the results...regards....bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 30, 2007, 03:14:42 PM
It was just one of those perfect boating mornings so took the unfinished "Springerberry" CG support vessel to the loch for a shake-down. Looked quite Alaskan with the geese in the mist. Sent the "Maid" down to move them a bit !(first pic.)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 30, 2007, 03:49:08 PM
It was just one of those perfect boating mornings

WOW!...  :o

Fantastic pics Arrow... very atmospheric!

Can you post those over at the 'other place' too please...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 30, 2007, 05:03:43 PM
Aye aye, Capn`.  I nearly got the shot I want last week with early snow on the hills but it went before the wind dropped. I`ll try again during winter months, spring will be most likely.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on September 30, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
what time o' the morn was that arrow?

Great pics.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 30, 2007, 06:30:36 PM
It was about 10am,been a cold night and we heard the migrating geese honking through the mist. The sun started to break through about 9am and I headed for the loch for an hour (she`d one heard that before >:() Perfect calm, geese resting at far end not a soul in sight , just me and three Springers. Got home about 1-sh in blazing sunshine in time for lunch. Watched neighbour cutting his grass, sad :'(    OOPs sorry about same pic twice.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on October 02, 2007, 09:49:05 AM
Hi guys, me again. Those photos are brill. either its me or my fuji finepix isnt up to the job ,coz mine dont come out like that, oh well. Springer looks really good nice job ! Oh by the way, just in case the mist gets any thicker i hope its fitted with a SPROG horn      ........ho.....ho....                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            regards bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 02, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
First requirment RJ is bright light then most cameras will yeild good pics.  Second ,get in close. The camera is a Nikon 7900.   Re foghorn most of my fleet are so noisy you can hear them yards away ! Besides the mist was lifting and it was a brilliant day after that. Same today so away out again ;D...oh and some good company ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 02, 2007, 11:17:08 AM
I think Coastguard 1205 gets my vote as Best British Springer!
And "Maid O' IRN gets Best Name award!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 02, 2007, 03:01:29 PM
When do I get the money ???? ;D  Thank you Martin, just goes to show that the camera does lie , for example the Lady Muriel doesnt have an antenna on her forehead but does have an auroa about her(see pics below).   It was a bit windier today but gave "Spruffy" a surf in the loch. Typical autumn in the Highlands kind of a day, in spite of what the BBC would have you believe !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 02, 2007, 07:50:18 PM
If you want to see how Spruffy handled the chop go to http://media.putfile.com/Springer-surfs-a-loch   Look out for that rock Muriel!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on October 02, 2007, 10:33:04 PM
Hi again. Spruffy looks really good in the choppy water  i think the country must be upside down , it looks like the south of france with all that sun , down here the weather is c^*p..so much rain it even stopped the springer build cause it broke my extension roof so ive got that to fix now.....ho..hum.............                                                                                                                                                                                      regards      bob..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 04, 2007, 09:07:01 PM
Right, I want to fit a fixed kort nozzle to my springer, so, I am curious as to how others secure the nozzle to the hull.

Any comments/ideas welcome.

Thanks

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 04, 2007, 10:59:16 PM
Right, I want to fit a fixed kort nozzle to my springer, so, I am curious as to how others secure the nozzle to the hull.

Any comments/ideas welcome.

Thanks

Ian
   Over to you Toes I think ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 05, 2007, 12:42:31 AM
Right, I want to fit a fixed kort nozzle to my springer, so, I am curious as to how others secure the nozzle to the hull.

Any comments/ideas welcome.

You could be the first  :o that has a fixed kort nozzle..
Mine and TugBoatAndy's (all in the USA) are steerable korts...

I would slot the front of the Kort and fit it over the skeg, around the prop and then fit the rudder behind the kort / prop.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 05, 2007, 08:59:01 AM
It will be interesting to see a Springer with a Kort Nozzle, mine nearly spins in it's own length with a normal rudder.

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/My_models/Springer/images/Springer_058.JPG)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 05, 2007, 09:15:37 AM
It will be interesting to see a Springer with a Kort Nozzle, mine nearly spins in it's own length with a normal rudder.


Martin..
You cant have forgotten this already...  ???

http://media.putfile.com/Scoot-the-Springer
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 05, 2007, 11:16:35 AM
What's she fitted out with then?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 05, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
....or with no Kort http://youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0   I thought the Kort was just for added thrust not maneuverability. The "Maid" has standard 2" rudder with tee fish-tail on trailing edge. Spins are even better at speed.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 05, 2007, 03:16:33 PM
What's she fitted out with then?

We have.. (from left to right)

Tigger, Standard Springer
Templeton, Standard Springer
Scoot, Super Springer, 2 1/4" prop in a 2 1/2" Kort
Mustang Sally,  :D :o :D Springer, 3 3/4" prop in a 4" kort
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 05, 2007, 08:16:00 PM
Here is my solution to a fixed kort on the springer.

Used a brass bar along the skeg soldered to the nozzle. Then I drilled the top of the nozzle and soldered in a spindle which then slides into a tube set in the hull. This allows me to remove the nozzle if required, and also allows me to modify to a steering nozzle if I wish to.

The prop and nozzle were supplied from G Sitek, the rest is my own work - you can tell that cant you!!

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 06, 2007, 02:43:51 PM
Impressive hardware Ian, just a couple of points though , from a novice. I`m sure that the wide end of the Kort should be at the front and tapered end should be at the rear.  The clearance of the prop and nozzle should be a minimum. Looks like you have quite a gap, does Sitek not recommend matched prop dia and matching nozzle ? Another tweak I see on some Springers is the relieving of the skeg with a 3 shape on the trailing edge, the propshaft coming out of the centre point of the 3. A few have minimal skegs and use A-frames to support the aft end of the shaft. I presume this is to reduce side area to aid tight turns.  Martin; have you considered something similar plus a full square 2" rudder with fishtail or a T ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 06, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
I asked sitek about the orientation of the nozzle, and this is how they said it should be. The inner diameter is constant through the nozzle to about 5mm from exit end when it opens slightly.

The prop to nozzle clearance is less than it looks in the pic, its a bit deceptive really. The pic was taken when it was dry fitted and not properly aligned, now its fixed, the clearance is better
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 08, 2007, 04:20:51 PM
I asked sitek about the orientation of the nozzle, and this is how they said it should be. The inner diameter is constant through the nozzle to about 5mm from exit end when it opens slightly.

The 'normal' way a kort works is to have the wider end in to the water flow, the prop, then a slightly reduced rear end..
This way it works almost like a jet engine.. the water entering the kort is 'pressurised' and then forced from the rear of the kort at a slightly higher pressure than the water surrounding the rear of the kort..
The 'outer' shape of the kort should be thicker at the fromt and tapered towards the rear..
Imagine the shape (in a cross section through the kort) to be almost like an aerofoil section, leading edge towards the water flow.

It sounds from your description Boatmadman as if the wider opening is at the rear of the kort?...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 08, 2007, 05:00:41 PM
yes it is, and I was somewhat surprised by Siteks instruction, however, its made up now! To be honest, I am not sure it would make a great deal of difference at this size!

After all, its how you use it that matters!  ;)
Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on October 08, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
A bit of full size info.

Peter


http://www.harringtonmarine.com/stdnozzleshapes.htm
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 08, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
Ok, I stand corrected - its backwards! :o

Next job, de solder and refit - unless I run the springer backwards all the time  O0

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Swordfish on October 08, 2007, 07:00:41 PM
Some time ago I ran across the Springer hull design on a US webstite and it was about the time I decided I needed a compact model that was easy to take to the pond. Soon after, a small towboat with an elevated pilot house caught my attention and  my UNSTABLE MABEL became the result.  ( She only looks unstable.) The model was scratch built with items on hand including an old 6 v. Dumas motor. For simplicity I installed it direct drive with a low pitch home made prop. Only then did I "discover" all the Springer competitive activity on MBM. In the meantime, I've simply used MABEL for play , most recently adding a barge load of kitty litter masquerading as coal. ( photo attached . . . . I hope  :)  )(http://)
The wonderful detail photos from Bunkerbarge inspire me to go back and add further detail. Many thanks Bunkerbarge
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on October 09, 2007, 04:43:47 AM
For maximum maneuverability the steerable kort installed similar to Scoot, Mustang Sally, or my boat is probably the way to go.  The trade off for using fixed nozzle is the ability to accurately fit the prop tightly in the nozzle potentially increasing efficiency. 

My understanding of the rule book is that competition boats are not allowed to use kort nozzles.  My boat has a keel a bit longer than Scoot's and the wheel is smaller diameter so I am not able to achieve the same level of maneuverability....yet.  In addition, my rudder is close to the waterline and if I apply too much power in reverse, the wheel is able to move enough water to actually make a little whirlpool and sucks air down the rudder cavitating the prop.  I dare not operate in shallow water as small pebbles are easily sucked through the nozzle.  It sounds like ice in a blender when this happens. :o

Best regards to all!

Tugboat Andy 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 13, 2007, 06:55:23 PM
"ice in a blender" Ouch :o  Testing "Springberry" in rough conditions today,turn sound off and watch full throttle wave bashing on http://media.putfile.com/Springer-Coastguard-model-in-rough-water
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 13, 2007, 07:28:05 PM
Seasick !  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bee on October 13, 2007, 09:20:48 PM
I went to the Midlands Model Engineering show today.
Severa boat clubs represented although it isn't a boat show.
But not a single Springer on display :(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on October 14, 2007, 03:49:32 PM
Come to the International Model Boat show in a couple of weeks time, I know of four that are going to be there Martins and mine.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on October 14, 2007, 07:32:19 PM
Hi guys.......... well mark 1 springer nearly fiished......as soon as i can figure out how to put photo's on here i'll stick a couple on......

                            regards.....bob..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on October 16, 2007, 02:26:08 AM
Testing "Springberry" in rough conditions today,full throttle wave bashing

Hee hee hee....the boys thought that was pretty neat!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 16, 2007, 04:13:03 PM
Some progress on my springer.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on October 16, 2007, 06:58:38 PM
three storey ,1st floor womens clothing 2nd mens clothing 3rd floor TOYS ;)

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 17, 2007, 10:08:11 AM
three storey ,1st floor womens clothing 2nd mens clothing 3rd floor TOYS ;)

Stavros 
    So the die is cast Boatmad, Stavros has now given you a hint to the name of the latest addition to the Grace Brothers International Shipping and Towing Company fleet ! Whatsit gonna be, Capt Peacock, Mrs. Slocombe, Mr. Humphries, Mr Rumbold. {-)  Nice build BTW.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: anmo on October 17, 2007, 10:39:17 AM
three storey ,1st floor womens clothing 2nd mens clothing 3rd floor TOYS ;)

Stavros 
    So the die is cast Boatmad, Stavros has now given you a hint to the name of the latest addition to the Grace Brothers International Shipping and Towing Company fleet ! Whatsit gonna be, Capt Peacock, Mrs. Slocombe, Mr. Humphries, Mr Rumbold. {-)  Nice build BTW.

....and I name this ship 'Mrs Slocombe's Pussy'.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 17, 2007, 02:45:23 PM
...oh yeah I just wondered who would make reference to the lady`s cat >:(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on October 17, 2007, 05:54:37 PM
"You've all done very well"

(Young Mr Grace)
 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on October 17, 2007, 06:00:07 PM
Anyone out there going to the Blackpool show? There will be one or two Springer's on the Bridlington Club stand. I'm taking mine although she isn't finished yet.
See y'all there...................maybe,
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: The long Build on October 17, 2007, 08:27:38 PM
Typical toys on the top floor ...
 
Boatmadman Will that not be a bit top heavy ??
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 17, 2007, 08:55:16 PM
Hope not! Its liteply skinned with styrene and no innards!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on October 17, 2007, 10:02:24 PM
Well it should have gone to the ground floor HABIDASHERY

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 18, 2007, 09:56:51 AM
Good name Stavros  "Haber Dasher" ....`cept Haber probably probably means something terrible  :-\ kinda close to "Harbour Dasher" though.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: azz126 on October 22, 2007, 05:38:39 PM
nice pics,I'm about to start building a springer tug does anyone have plans for them that i could have,it would be great for my build.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: dougal99 on October 22, 2007, 07:37:28 PM
nice pics,I'm about to start building a springer tug does anyone have plans for them that i could have,it would be great for my build.

See link on Main Mayhem site home page

HTH

Doug
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on October 22, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Welcome to Mayhem Azz126.

The plans on Mayhem web site are in word format, I have them as CAD files if you want a copy PM me your snail mail and I can send them to you.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 26, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
My springer now part painted!

Hmmm- wonky ladder rung needs straightening!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 26, 2007, 03:35:28 PM
Looking good , a fireboat ?  Maybe you should trim the bottom of the knees to follow the angle of the hull at the bow, it`ll help to keep the build-up up of water to a minimum.  She`ll be tricky in the wind with all the side area. Any details of the fire monitors and plumbing ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 26, 2007, 03:56:31 PM
Fire monitors and pump were from Cornwall model boats, will take a pic when its all installed.

Tricky in the wind? All part of the fun!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 27, 2007, 03:32:51 PM
Just tested my springer!   flippin thing nearly jumped out of the test tank! {-)

Tested the pump and soaked myself! Looks like fun! O0

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on October 27, 2007, 04:31:22 PM
Ian

Wait until you try it on open water, at full throttle you will see the full potential of the springer as a submarine {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on October 27, 2007, 04:31:59 PM
Great stuff!  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 27, 2007, 07:32:47 PM
Ian

Wait until you try it on open water, at full throttle you will see the full potential of the springer as a submarine {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)


Brian
  Nah >:( Red sky in the morning...etc. The pic was taken this morning (Sat).   Video on www.youtube.com/user/MacSpringer shows water conditions  taken same day at 3pm-ish, wind on hills in background was 80mph. This Maid likes it rough :D :kiss:    ( Edit Maid on water clip failed, will post another.)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 27, 2007, 11:05:39 PM
Only an egg-cup full of water inside after 35  minutes of this.... :o http://media.putfile.com/The-Maid-likes-it-rough  ( Better with sound turned off)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on October 28, 2007, 04:52:01 PM
Hi guys   toesupwa asked for results of ruccer test.....  now tried out both rudders in quite good conditions , it was a bit windy this morning but otherwise o.k.....................can honestly say i could not tell any difference in manouverability or response to the rudder............lost cable for camera so still cant put pictures up until i get a new lead


                                regards......bob....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on October 28, 2007, 05:31:24 PM
Arrow5 reminds me of Llanberis on a rough day

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 28, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
We Celts are a hardy race Stavros O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on November 04, 2007, 12:04:42 PM
Here we have maiden voyage of my springer!

Lots of water over the deck, freeing ports did their job, and bone dry inside - so far! O0

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 04, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
Great stuff, details of your squirt arrangement please.  Batteries back an inch will help with the bow wave maybe ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on November 04, 2007, 06:01:59 PM
Details with a pic to come. As far as ballast is concerned, it was ballasted with brass bar and gaffer tape today, has to be done properly now.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on November 04, 2007, 06:55:21 PM
ok, squirt details: Pump from Cornwall model boats, 2.2l/min at 10v, mine runs on 7.2v, perfectly ok for this use. Action switcher and esc. Plumbing is silicon tube and connectors from pets at home, (aquatic section!).

The only thing to think about with the pump is that its not positive displacement, so has to be below the water line to prime, easy with these hulls.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 04, 2007, 11:18:36 PM
Thanks ,that is perfect.  Caught anybody yet ? :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 05, 2007, 03:15:57 AM
MORE awards for team toes
   
Today at the INS regatta at Riverside, California.. team toes took a few more trophys...

Mustang Sally made a right mess of the individual navigation.. and also the navigation with the barge...
But redeemed herself gaining third in the 'military' catagory..

Scoot was perfect, a perfect round the individual navigation and also the 'with barge' round hooked up to the 200lb barge...
First place in 'Navigation under 24"'...
Scoot also scored all THREE winning goals in the football / polo match...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 05, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
Aye, no bad. No bad at all O0
Title: Killed It
Post by: chingdevil on November 06, 2007, 06:48:09 PM
Put my latest springer in the test tank, to check there was no problems before the show at Warwick and I burnt the motor out  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
The motor was a MFA 360 driving a 33mm 3 bladed prop. The boat had two 6volt 4amp hour batteries in it plus some other ballast to get it lower in the water, run ok at first then started to struggle at full throtle, in the end the magic blue smoke escaped. I have had to retro fit a Johnson 540 (only spare motor I had). Anyone else had a problem running a springer on a 360 motor, I thought it would be ok but possibly did not like the prop size.

Brian :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 06, 2007, 08:51:37 PM

Hi Brian,
..... a moments silence for the passing of the motor please......  :'(

Does the shaft still feel free?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on November 06, 2007, 09:04:05 PM
Martin

There was no silence to be had when the motor gave up the ghost. The shaft did still move if a bit lumpy, that is until I dropped kicked into the wheelie bin, I bet it does not move now ;D ;D ;D.
I will use the paddling pool (sorry test tank) to try the 540 out tomorrow. I used one in my original springer but it was power hungry, so I will wire up the batteries to get the extra power and keep the voltage the same.

Are you still bringing your springers to warwick?

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 20, 2007, 03:23:44 PM
So while awaiting the great Warwick Show report Ive been swanning(see other post re Swans) around on the loch and towing me mate`s Thames Barge on a cold November afternoon.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 23, 2007, 08:25:51 PM
I finally got suitable "Alaskan" weather for the Coastguard Cutter Springer to feel at home in O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on November 25, 2007, 09:27:51 AM
Try a Fishtail Rudder ,then with one motor it will spin on the spot,forward and reverse.
Look at Fishtail Rudders and a sketch on Model Boats Forum, Look for the Dennis the menace  photo,Len   ::)
My Springer is there also, 
Gazunda ( Do you get it? Gerry Springer!)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on November 25, 2007, 06:49:26 PM
Right then this is dangerous territory for me cos me now building a springer,now Me being ME power mad has decided seeing I have a Schothel Drive at my disposable I wonder would it do in a Springer is it allowed or is it classed as cheating or do I get away with it cos I am  moderator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 25, 2007, 08:21:40 PM
...cos me now building a springer,now Me being ME power mad has decided seeing I have a Schothel Drive at my disposable I wonder would it do in a Springer is it allowed or is it classed as cheating

A Schottle drive Springer... hmmm, an interesting thought!...
It puts you in the Super Springer class and you might get frowned upon by the regular Springer guys.. >>:-(

I think everyone would be interested in your 'pull' results with a Schottle..

Is it the small Graupner drive or the large version?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on November 25, 2007, 09:04:15 PM
Stav
I agree with Toes the drive would class it as a super springer, it would not be frowned on by me I think it is great people try out new ideas with the basic hull. The drive might even stop the springer diving, it would be interesting to see in action. What would be the turning circle of the springer with that sort of drive???

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 25, 2007, 09:12:38 PM
Do it..Super Springer Stavros O0 . Turning circle wont be improved IMHO but I`d like to see how the top speed compares. I dont seem to have the diving probs due to rearward balance, agreed it doesnt look right at rest but.....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 25, 2007, 09:25:26 PM
Turning circle wont be improved IMHO

Arrow, the turning circle wont be improved... it will just go round and round on the spot!...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 25, 2007, 09:45:27 PM
That is what I meant Toes 8), mine rotate with the cooling water outlet as pivot point, pretty tight circle but off centre as you say compaired to the Schottle.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on November 25, 2007, 10:18:52 PM
So the consenis of opinion is to go for it then  O0

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on November 25, 2007, 10:53:18 PM
...Hi Stavros...

Has your  GRP hull arrived...

Let me know what you think of it...  But only if its nice things....

Only kidding Dave I am keen to know what other modellers think of my attempts at making GRP hulls...

...All the Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 25, 2007, 11:30:20 PM
...Hi Stavros...

Has your  GRP hull arrived...


A GRP hull????????

With a Schottle drive...

 :o .. A Super 'Sport' Springer....  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 26, 2007, 09:55:31 AM
Next the "Formula 1 Super Springer"  in carbon-fibre......we need pictures Norry,or do we send a mole to infiltrate the top secret Skunkworks in Greenock ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on November 26, 2007, 01:39:58 PM
Aha,

it would seem then that as a holder of one the rare GR springer hulls I am in a somewhat unique position, thanks Norry by the way, it will be fine as it is.

Now, just got to stick a powerplant in it and we will be off.
Was thinking of a glow motor but will stick with electric I think......

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on November 26, 2007, 02:24:51 PM
          ...Hi Guys...

I,m Glad you like it Glenn...Pictures of the build is now compulsary,,Only to make all the wooden Springers Jealous...

As for pictures...These are all I took prior to Packaging & Posting off to their new owners...This & the other one i have already posted on the forum...

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on November 26, 2007, 03:45:50 PM
OK, I can probably work out how o stick some photo's up as it goes, it is going to be a recovery boat for the race boats so it is not intended to be built to look particuarly good, function over form on this one.

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on November 26, 2007, 05:59:28 PM
           ...Hi Guys...

Here is another picture of the GRP Springer Hull...

             ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on November 26, 2007, 06:17:32 PM
It's arrived Norry O0 see Pm so it's scothel drive ere we come

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on November 26, 2007, 10:25:43 PM
Are these available to the general public?


or do have to wait for wearboats to bring it out? ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on November 27, 2007, 11:34:42 AM
So here we go with the build. I have looked through the thread, can not find the bit of info. I want, hidden deep in the 35 pages somewhere no doubt!!

I would like to know prop shaft position please, also, is the rudder position critical and is the "keel" for want of better description, that I have seen on some models required?

Thanking you.

By the way, if anyone is interested, planning on running large prop on mine and have geared down drive to fit. (Belts and pulleys)

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on November 27, 2007, 12:20:53 PM
Hi Glenn

I think the prop shaft position is set to give clearence to the prop from the underside of the hull. Remember it should be as close as possible level in the hull. I have read that the skeg is not important unless you are going to play football, saying that both of mine have a skeg fitted it helps to put the prop further back and support the prop tube. The position of the rudder should be so the rear edge of it is just forward from the stern of the springer. The maximum size of the prop for a standard springer is set at 1 1/2 old money, about 38mmm. A bigger prop will put it into the super springer section.

I do have some drawings, in CAD format of my first springer, if you want printouts of them PM me your snail mail address.

If you need any more information, just ask.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 27, 2007, 12:24:37 PM

Has anyone tried angling the prop tube downwards to see it it helps prevent the ploughing tendency?

Martin.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 27, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
You mean downward at the motor end ?  I`ve got a couple of degrees that way, ie upwards at prop end.  I don't know if it helps because I trim mine to be nose up when at rest.  I suppose I could repaint the waterline at an angle instead of parallel with the deck.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 27, 2007, 01:26:29 PM

I was thinking downward at the shaft is angled down toward the propeller .... motor higher than the prop........
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on November 27, 2007, 02:58:47 PM
Our springers have the propshaft angled downwards (motor higher than the prop) and both mine and Hannah's boat doesn't seem to behave any differently to anyone elses.

Mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 27, 2007, 03:55:59 PM
I`ve got a feeling that Toesup will putting his two cents in soon.......if he`s sleepless in Seatle, well Washington State.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on November 27, 2007, 04:20:46 PM
Hi Glenn

I think the prop shaft position is set to give clearence to the prop from the underside of the hull. Remember it should be as close as possible level in the hull. I have read that the skeg is not important unless you are going to play football, saying that both of mine have a skeg fitted it helps to put the prop further back and support the prop tube. The position of the rudder should be so the rear edge of it is just forward from the stern of the springer. The maximum size of the prop for a standard springer is set at 1 1/2 old money, about 38mmm. A bigger prop will put it into the super springer section.

I do have some drawings, in CAD format of my first springer, if you want printouts of them PM me your snail mail address.

If you need any more information, just ask.

Perfect, many thanks for the reply. Oh, this one would not qualify for mega springer never mind anything else! The prop that's going on is 74mm, the plan is to use the boat for recovery purposes only.

Sure it is going to rapidly get many hours on it as it might end up doubling up as a kids play boat down the lake. Still, if it brings some new blood into the hobby, then all is good.

Glenn

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 27, 2007, 04:39:56 PM
I would like to know prop shaft position please, also, is the rudder position critical and is the "keel" for want of better description, that I have seen on some models required?

By the way, if anyone is interested, planning on running large prop on mine and have geared down drive to fit. (Belts and pulleys)

I here Arrow... and still in Ca..

Prop shaft angle isnt critical, just get the motor in the right place, the prop in the right place (with clearance) and then line the shaft between the two... Arrow seems to have got it right with a touch of 'up'..  :P
Rudder position also isnt critical, just get the L/E of the rudder close to the prop.. and dont let the rudder overhang behind the stern.. :'(
No, the 'keel' isnt really required and can be cut back to a minimum, just enough to support the shaft..
How bigger prop are you going to be running?.. Scoot has a 2 1/4" prop (backed by a 12v motor) and Mustang Sally has a 3 3/4" prop, again backed by a (geared) 12v motor

Some pics.. note the cut back 'skeg / keel'
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on November 27, 2007, 06:58:22 PM
Although I have said to get the prop as close to level as possible I am not sure it is too critical, bearing in mind the shape of the hull. One of my springers has a slightly higher motor to prop and the other has a level prop, both dive to varying degrees. A lot of the diving problem is due to speed, 1/4 to 1/2 speed on both of mine no problem look good increase the speed above this and down goes the bow. In fact the little darlings at the Warwick show managed to get water in side "chingdevil" (Pepsi Can) and this has a 25mm coaming inside the superstructure, something I had not managed.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 28, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
Yeah, we need a report on Springer going-ons at Warwick >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on November 28, 2007, 01:19:01 PM
Hi guys....i found that moving the batteries backwards about an inch solved the problem of diving . she sits a little lower at the stern but not terrible.
    i run a legalsize three blade prop from a 540 motor direct drive , this is powered by two six volt gell cells wired in , whatever it is to still give you 6 volts but twice the run time etc.. She will now take full throttle without diving  O0. Used her the other week to rescue a 4 foot wood perkasa , she pushed that home with no trouble


                         regards.....bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on November 28, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
Has anyone made a Springer Submarine?... 0n purpose O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 28, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
Has anyone made a Springer Submarine?... 0n purpose O0

Someone... somewhere... is.. erm... working on just that... erm..  ::)
Title: Springers at Warwick
Post by: chingdevil on November 28, 2007, 09:25:47 PM
As the Arrow5 Clan is getting restless Springers At Warwick

There were only four springers at the show, my two Chingdevil and Lady Linda. Steamboatphil had his one there but it never got wet, there was also on on the Northampton Model Boat Club stand that also stayed dry. On the Saturday and Sunday they have a let the kids have ago time. I let them use both my springers on the Saturday and Chingdevil on the Sunday, I fried the 540 motor of Lady Linda on Saturday so she just sat on the stand smelling for the rest of the show.
Nomustangmark thought it was great fun when Linda stopped we both thought the batteries were flat, lifted the superstructure to turn the reciever off, oh look smoke! When we had finished using Chingdevil and it was out of the water the bottom of the boat was quite warm, this is what I think fried Lady Lindas motor, I am now going to fit cooling coils to both of them. I was asked quite a few time where people could get a kit for the boats, I am thinking about that one. I did give out some plans of how Chingdevil is made.

It was a great weekend, forget the loss of a motor that is only loose change the kids thought it was great fun using these boats. If we have a Mayhem stand there next year, we should try and have some more springers not just for the kids time but anytime, there was always space on the pools.

The show overall is good but it can get packed, particularly on the Friday. I am going next year need to think up a new design for a springer, might even have my other pusher tug finished.

These are the springers that were at Warwick, I know it is not a springer but the last picture is my pusher tug that is on the slipway


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 28, 2007, 11:28:18 PM
Thanks Ching.......MacSpringer Clan retreat...er advancing back to the hills.  Last pic has a twin, more on that development after Santa has been.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 10, 2007, 07:42:22 PM
"Last pic has a twin" belay that statment :o  Changed my mind and used the makings into a barge :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 11, 2007, 05:52:21 PM
Loch Insh had a slight freeze last night( -5 c.) which left a thin layer of ice in parts so the "Maid" went ice breaking. To see how/if she got free go to www.putfile.com/arrow5
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 11, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
Hello there Arro5, good to see the Springers are made of tough stuff. You must be mad to jepordise the "Maid".  I note that you've now installed a proper method of directional running control raher than the hap hazard way at Greenock in June. More fun to be had tomorrow for you if the ice comes to be as bad again. Were I to have one built iI for one would not be venturing out with the wind which is forecast for here. A pleasure to watch your videos please keep them coming.

cheers 

Jim  O0

p.s. Look at the tag line for a link to the localairport webcam
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on December 12, 2007, 04:12:16 AM
That video is a hoot Arrow  O0

You need a Kontio or Nordica springer top for that work...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 12, 2007, 01:34:25 PM
Umi; there is another shorter video added, I like it better.     Jim; I noted your relocation to 60N. Yep got partial control of boats now, on legit freq too :angel:, even got throttle control (whatever that is) still think the nut behind the sticks is the problem. Enjoyed the links to webcams, gey dreich the day(wed 12noon).  What about your brace of Springers ( for kids HAH!) got them finished yet, he he. They will be Northern Isles profile I hope or Norwegian ?  Be sure to drop in if you are passing on the way south via Inverness AirportO0.  BTW it thawed last night, no ice fun today.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on December 12, 2007, 07:50:51 PM
The sound of the ice being crushed is the best part.
I know so many modelers that wouldn't do this because of fears of
scratching the paint, or slicing the hull.

Just watching that makes me want to build an Ice Breaker...

 8)

(Aaargh, no more pojects!!)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 12, 2007, 11:03:52 PM
Springers make perfect ice breakers there shape means they ride up on the ice and then break through. This is the easiest way to clear ice, even large ships tend to rise up on the ice before breaking it, they never plow straight through it

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on December 13, 2007, 12:14:47 AM
Here is an icebreaker for you Umi....

http://www.ulsteingroup.com/kunder/ulstein/mm.nsf/inpdocuments/DEE78DB938D2795BC12572880036975A/$file/ULSTEIN_S118.pdf
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on December 13, 2007, 01:41:44 AM
Here is an icebreaker for you Umi....

http://www.ulsteingroup.com/kunder/ulstein/mm.nsf/inpdocuments/DEE78DB938D2795BC12572880036975A/$file/ULSTEIN_S118.pdf

You are cruel...  >:(

That is a good looking ship... :-\

Perhaps I just put that PDF in a folder somewhere...  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on December 13, 2007, 03:47:33 AM
cruel? me?  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 13, 2007, 09:44:33 AM
Boatmad; you are wicked ! Very interesting site, my favourite is the S118 and it is in grey.    The SX 116 would be a model engineering challenge with folding front power pod etc.  Wonder if I`ve got enough blue foam to Springerize the shape a little....nah, just dreaming :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 18, 2007, 11:20:38 AM
Water conditions perfect for a game today, bright sun, no wind.....anyone for ice hockey ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 19, 2007, 10:13:29 PM
I'm building myself a Springer I'm using twin korts on mine, I've just been looking at all the planned compo's and I'm going to have to build another at a later date, so damn the lot of you for starting this Springer thread O0 I hope it takes off in the UK as it sounds as if it is going to be fun :)

All the best Andrew.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on December 19, 2007, 10:27:44 PM
Lets see some pics Andrew.

I am doing a twin kort version as well, see boatmadman's superspringer

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 19, 2007, 11:56:10 PM
I will post some as it comes along, I won't get my nozzles till next year the ones in the shop were too large. Some sanding to do tomorrow to get the filler down.

Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 20, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
Welcome to the cult Andy, I found this handy PDF from the North West r/c Ship Modellers site by Allan Wing, might be useful to all contemplating getting infected. http://nwrcsm.freeyellow.com/BuildingSpringer.pdf
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 20, 2007, 04:51:58 PM
I'm thinking of gassing the hull along the bottom and as high as the water mark, then putting a crash strip above it, then painting over the hardened glass with car underseal what do others think of that idea?

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on December 20, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
No No No don't do it.As a paint sprayer take advice don't do it.Just use Halfords acrylic paint it is hardwearing enough.Underseal will look poo poo

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 20, 2007, 06:56:52 PM
OK I wont glass at all I 'll just paint it over with reisin and glass around all the inside seams. O0

Andy  :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 20, 2007, 07:40:36 PM
Here are a few pictures so far the last picture shows where I have put the glue and where the fibre glass will be going. When I buy the RC gear I will post some more.
Andy. :)

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Picture174.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild2.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild3.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild4.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild5.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild6.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springerbuild7.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 20, 2007, 09:43:54 PM
Thanks for the link I'll  be devouring the pages as we speak

cheeers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 21, 2007, 09:53:04 AM
So there will be a brace of "Shetlingers" coming soon Red  ::)?????     Andy, coming along nicely O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 21, 2007, 05:10:37 PM
I just hope I can do a tidy job of the super structure, try and get it finished before the end of January. And for anyone contemplating it a wall paper stripper is brilliant for steaming the underside wood to shape. O0

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 21, 2007, 07:31:04 PM
Boredom struck hard a while ago, so I opted to do something about it, the hull has had a first coat of resin it's slightly red in colour, I will fibre glass the joins inside tomorrow, and then give the out side another coat, it would be nice to be able to paint the lower hull by next weekend or sooner.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Springfirstcoat.jpg)

Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 21, 2007, 10:11:42 PM
~Hello all, Arrow5 yes the progress is good tomorrow sees the cutting out of the sides  and then we'll see where we go from there.

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 21, 2007, 11:46:12 PM
Boredom struck hard a while ago, so I opted to do something about it, the hull has had a first coat of resin it's slightly red in colour, I will fibre glass the joins inside tomorrow, and then give the out side another coat, it would be nice to be able to paint the lower hull by next weekend or sooner.
Andy.

.........shouldn't the prop shaft have been fitted by now?   :-\

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 21, 2007, 11:57:39 PM
No shafts at the moment I will order my Kort nozzles in the New Year and get my shafts and props and basicaly everything else together, after tomorrow work will regretably come to a halt for a short while. Remember this is all new to me so I'm bound to foul up somewhere.

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on December 22, 2007, 12:58:46 PM
Hi guys...gonna take my rescue springer out for a spin sunday...hope to see stavros , and say hello........its nice to see in the pictures a few bottles of the neccesary elbow oil laying around.........i find they help the thought process quite a lot......

                 looking good.....and yes the wallpaper stripper gets more use in the shed than it ever has indoors O0 {-)
                 
               best wishes and seasons greetings...............bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 22, 2007, 07:21:09 PM
Yes one of the best things that have been bought wall paper stripper does more of everything else bar stripping wallpaper, and bottled beer helps just a bit. {-) {-)

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on December 23, 2007, 02:36:00 AM
Hi Andy

Your Springer is looking fine! :)

Is this to be twin screw with kort nozzles? The reason I ask is that If I had mine to do again, I would consider a smaller skeg / keel. The longer and fuller keel makes my boat track straight however, it does not turn as nimbly as I would have liked.  I imagine you might be aiming for that with twin korts.

Just a thought.  All the best...

Another Andy :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 23, 2007, 07:54:08 AM
Mr Andy

Just looking at your pics...
If you are making yours as a twin with korts, why is there only one skeg and not two.. one to support each prop / shaft?...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 23, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
Thank you as I have said all new to me not being very ship minded in the building department.
Something like this I was aiming for, (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/TiogaBsKorts.jpg)

And here is the Springer in the bath
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Launch.jpg)

All the best Andy. :) ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 23, 2007, 01:02:10 PM
MrAndy, any more pics of that full-size boat ? 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 23, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
Here she is mate sorry no bow on piccies not possible, she has now been moved in side no idea if she is Holyhead Towings new boat or in for refurbishment for her owners.

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/TiogaB.jpg)

Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 23, 2007, 06:38:00 PM
Andy

If you are fitting Korts, why have you fitted a skeg? I thought a skeg or "A" support was only needed for prop tubes. Surely that will not do anything but give you a problem in turning tightly?

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 24, 2007, 09:01:28 AM
Thanks MrAndy. That is a great vessel for a very-near-to-scale Springer. At last a true UK prototype.  Do the pre-refurb version, all rust and missing paint etc. What a challenge.  Re centre skeg...knock it off and do the two shafts with very small skegs and A-frame supports as everybody says. If the centre skeg is firmly fitted , reduce it to a small stumpy triangle.  I also like the angle along the bilge-line but keep the bilge-keels off.  Buy some "rust" for Xmas. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 24, 2007, 06:37:20 PM
The skeg is only held on with glue any problems it will be given a polite tap with a mallet, I'll leave it on for now, trial and error as they say. I was looking at 50 mm Korts but I'm sure they will ber far to big been advised to go down to 40 mm. :)

Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 24, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
Hello all, well I've fnially got around to it  ;D and got the bandsaw into a production  ;D Now there are not one or two but Three. Yes my friends Three,  as Arrow5 has kindly named them, "Shetlinger" Springers on the building blocks. Once I get around to doing things then the bug bites and bites hard. After moving home in July there have been so many other priorities to attend to that the last thing I could get to is boat building. So as I mentioned earlier it was a case of making a template for the sides to make them all the same. This then led me to thinking about the assembly area and the construction of a table to do the assembly on. I decided on a height of 40" on 3x3"legs and supporting an 8'x4' top on 5x2" battens. That little project took all of yesterday afternoon but was so satisfying  O0 ;D ;D I'll be posting pictures of the start of the project after tomorrow. AS you'll appreciate tomorrow is definitely a family day with no interruptions, hey ho or  should that be a ho ho ho? Anyway there is almost two more weeks of holiday and shed time left before work interrupts again.

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 24, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
Listen here Jim if I go and repair my boat tomorrow, I want no excuses off you either, when you've had enough of turkey can't eat another morcel of pudding, go get started on the tug's, I'll be thinking of you. O0 O0

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on December 24, 2007, 10:23:39 PM
hi all this might seam daft but what the difference between a springer tug and a regular tug. merry Christmas to you all john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 24, 2007, 10:54:06 PM
Hello John, well the Springer has developed initially in the NW of USA  asa single tightly controlled  class which has since been adopted in the ~UK . There are the deriviatives ofthe Super Springers which fall out of the tight control specs.  They arre purely for FUN  ;D

Tugs are generally of all shapes and sizes with scale features and can be equally as much fun and you'll generally fing true tuggies have both . One for serious fun conventional tugs and a Springer or two for FUN  O0

cheers

Jim

p.s now go  and build a SPringer for some FUN   O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 24, 2007, 11:08:07 PM
I  was in contact via PM on Ships Nostalgia the other day with the gentleman who gave us the Springer tug, he was rather taken by their popularity.

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on December 25, 2007, 09:21:16 AM
thanks Jim one more question is it the shape of the hull that make it a springer tug. Are you free to do want you want with the superstructure IE a tug wheel House or may me a liner wheel house etc . john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on December 25, 2007, 11:26:41 AM
  ... Ho Ho Ho Guys...

A Merry Xmas to All On the Forum... I hope Santa brought lots of boatie type presents to you all...

cos918, The springer topsides can be whatever you want it to be as long as the hull is the correct measurments & shape...Also in the proper class you are restricted to a certain size of motor, prop & rudder set up...
If you go to the start of this massive posting you should find the rules & a wee plan there...

......................Best Regards.......Norry.......Ho...Ho...Ho...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on December 25, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
And a wallpaper stripper is ideal to steam the bottom into the correct shape if your only using one piece.

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 28, 2007, 10:09:41 AM

So whose currently building what in the way of Springer tugs then?
What plans do we have for building one next year? (2008)


Me? I'm planing to build a Dr Who themed Springer and possibly a Tank Springer based on a cheap RC Tank off ebay with working gun!  8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on December 28, 2007, 01:55:01 PM
HI martin....have got one springer up and running at the moment.......am making a couple more with faces from the t.v program TUGS...for the kids to have a go with....not sure whether to make them standard springers or go for super springers........should have about 4 by the time the weather gets better....

                              regards.....bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on December 28, 2007, 02:32:37 PM
Hi Martin, just in from the garage where I've built a jig to make the sheet bending for the hull a lot easier. Considering there are three lots of hull sides in preparation at the moment. I aim to have all three ready for Easter . This should give me plenty of time to complete them by then. If the jig works out I'll let you into the method ( or maybe, madness of doing it this way.

cheers for now

(back to the workshop with a coffee)

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 28, 2007, 04:27:55 PM

So whose currently building what in the way of Springer tugs then?


I currently have Mk 5 and Mk 6 drawn out and marked on to a piece of 1/4" ply ready to cut out..
Mk 5 will be....
Mk 6 will be...

.. just wait and see...  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 28, 2007, 04:55:14 PM
I`ve just started a stretched version, same width but about 8" longer. Planning twin motors, top shape to be decided (who said aircraft carrier?). Might knock-up a couple of barges too, depends on what is available at my local source (village dump).   Hope a lot of "regulation" Springers appear so we can all have some games.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 28, 2007, 05:47:23 PM
Hi all,

With regard to holding the bottom in place while the glue dries.

I edge glue 1 1/2" inch strips of deal together to make up the sides. When dry, I then mark the hull shape onto this board leaving at least half an inch on the off cut side. I then cut through the line carefully to produce the side pieces. Then I glue the sides to the bow and stern pieces and leave to dry. (probably as every one else does so far).

I then glue up and position the bottom board. To hold it all in position, I just use one pin on either side at the deepest point and then G clamp the off cuts back to the original board positions with the bottom sandwiched in between. This system leaves no awkward angles as the whole thing becomes a rectangular board again. To hold the leading edge in position I screw a temporary scrap of wood under the hull through the bottom to the front cross piece. At the stern, I use a scrap piece of wood just clamped in position.

At the moment, I am just finishing a yet another standard Springer for a friend, and then I want to make a stretched version a previously mentioned "Springalong" or "Springerlong" Not sure of the spelling. I have a toy working crane I think would look great sat on top.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 29, 2007, 02:01:27 PM
Hi BobF, I`m having "Springalong" >>:-(... you can have "Springerlong" >:(   Funny you should mention a crane, sounds like a good variation. I`ve got a toy tower-crane that I thought would look good  dismantled on a barge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on December 29, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
HI martin....have got one springer up and running at the moment.......am making a couple more with faces from the t.v program TUGS...for the kids to have a go with....not sure whether to make them standard springers or go for super springers........should have about 4 by the time the weather gets better....

                              regards....bob...

  ...Hi djrobbo...

Watch what you are doing regarding copying any of ERTL,s characters...

My Father & I built a Thomas The Tank Engine on top of a sit on Lawnmower & they made us cut it up or they were going to sue us....It was used at Church Fetes to raise funds...

I am planning on building another top for Wee Johnny,s Super Springer similar to a character with a turning head...

I will probably build another couple next year for the kids to play football with...

 ...Best Regards...Norry...


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 29, 2007, 03:45:33 PM
Hi arrow5

OK so "Springerlong it is then". Cheers.

The crane has been in a cupboard for about twenty years awaiting repair. It was my much younger brothers, and had an intermittent fault.
I was having a clear out and threw it in the bin, then realised it would be perfect for a springer.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 29, 2007, 04:05:48 PM
Hey Bob, check and see if your 20 year old crane isn't worth some money from the toy collecting fraternity. Some items of my youth that I lost or binned or swapped or just wore out are going for silly money on collectors sites.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 29, 2007, 04:10:51 PM
Hi arrow5,

I now only have the crane part. It was originally mounted on a platform raised on four legs. A cable came away from this with a battery holder with controlls to make it turn and raise and lower the hook.
Thanks any way
Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 29, 2007, 04:42:21 PM
This was picked up for a couple of quid at a boot-sale, it even works just needed a couple of fresh batteries.  Bit big even for stretched Spinger but OK on a barge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on December 29, 2007, 05:55:02 PM
Hi Guys,
A small question if I may,can I run a pair of Springers/or other boats using 2 channels each on 1 x4channel TX if I put the same XTLS in each RX?   :-\  Len.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 29, 2007, 06:26:46 PM
Martin

My new springer will look something like this picture and will involve a lot of water (I hope)  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 29, 2007, 07:11:29 PM
I reckon that WILL be a dry boat.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 29, 2007, 07:40:28 PM
If you know where that is you know you are wrong.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 29, 2007, 08:51:04 PM
Niagara Falls.... or Wales ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 29, 2007, 09:19:32 PM
Niagara Falls, Canadian side

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on December 29, 2007, 10:46:52 PM
Hi Guys,
A small question if I may,can I run a pair of Springers/or other boats using 2 channels each on 1 x4channel TX if I put the same XTLS in each RX?   :-\  Len.


hi Len i am sure you can but both boat would need a 4 channel receiver on the same crystal. boat one would use channel 1 and 2 boat 2 would use channel 3 and 4 . It this type of set up i want to use on to 2 plastic kit conversion i am doing. john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on December 29, 2007, 11:27:56 PM
 HI NORRY.....allready thought of that...shouldn't be a problem as no money involved... they tend to get shirty if you are making money with them even for a charity...
     these will just be there when i'm there for kids to have a go with.......no money involved O0


                 regards......bob..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on December 30, 2007, 12:37:51 AM
      ...Hi Bob...
Let me know which ones you are going to build & I will build one of the others...

I have already suggested on here that it would be good to build them all...

Wee Johnny has all the episodes of "TUGS" on video & dvd so if you need any help or ideas let us know...He wants me to build him him Theodore from the Theodore Tugboat programme...He has a box with around 40 wee tugs & boats in it with harbours as well...Plays with them all the time...

        ...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 30, 2007, 11:55:28 AM

Conversely to BigAda's question about two boats from one Transmitter,  Can ONE boat be controlled by two Tx's.

One would be for normal running and steering, whilst the second one would control the extras, like light, sound, water jets, etc.

Cheers..Ken

 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on December 30, 2007, 12:00:46 PM
hi ken , would the 2 tx be on different channels.
john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on December 30, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
Hi John,
Thanks for that,4 channel RX why didn't I think of that.
Do you know how to put photos on a reply?

                 Len ???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on December 30, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
hi len
1 hit reply
2 hit additional options
3 hit browse
4 now you are in you photo folder on your computer you, then you have to find your way around to the photo you want.
Remenber photos cant be bigger than 256K per thread

john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on December 30, 2007, 12:36:44 PM
There may be a photo of my Springer  "Gazunder" here if I have followed instructions.

          Len   :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 30, 2007, 12:59:44 PM
Crikey Len
If you will excuse the pun "thats a big un" How tall of the deck is your superstructure?
It look like it might be unstable, but knowing the amount of ballast that has to go into a springer to get it down in the water possibly not.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on December 30, 2007, 01:28:33 PM
It is 10" from deck to top, all in Styrene except lower wheelhouse and that is a Ferrero Rochere chocolate box and compatible with Styrene solvent,so no weight problem.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 30, 2007, 01:36:04 PM
Hi all,

with regard to the question, two T Xs one boat, there is a very well known boat, think it is a Happy Hunter that uses this system.
He regularly wins best working tug at shows. The set up looks like the old "Ice Cream ladies tray" that you used to get in the old days at the cinema. It hangs round his neck with the two transmitters side by side.
It lays and collects buoys etc. and almost all the moving features work by radio.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 30, 2007, 01:39:33 PM
Mmmmmm.Ferrero whossits that is what I call sensible re-cycling.  :angel:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 30, 2007, 01:54:45 PM
Hi all,

With regard to the  Springer variants that are "springing" up, how about another new controlled version.

We already have    Springer  and   Super Springer   so with this new trend of stretching them, how about a new rule for two more versions     Springerlong  and Super Springerlong.

The first could be as standard Springer but with an extra nine inches added on at the deepest part of the hull, or nine inches added to the flat rear section or four and a half inches added to both of these sections.
This is to say that all boats will be nine inches longer.

The Super Springerlong could be as above but with modified drive line rudder etc. as Super Springer.

 I have only suggested NINE inches as arrow5 has a Sprinalong at nine inches over size.

Thoughts please.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 30, 2007, 02:46:22 PM
If it is as the original drawing, then its a Springer.. wether its a Standard set up or a 'power' setup to become a Super Springer...

If you start altering the hull shape (even though it started life as a Springer) its not a Springer..  :P

Just my opinion  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 30, 2007, 02:53:29 PM
Nope Bob , I dont agree at all.  I believe a deviation from Regulation Springer covers any other variant, be they stretched or twin motor or double size or whatever.   Where would it all end ? If it aint a Springer it is a Super Springer end of story. >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 30, 2007, 03:02:55 PM
BTW does a smoking Springer qualify as a "Standard Springer" ? ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 30, 2007, 04:18:32 PM
Hi all,

       OK then, I'll call mine a "NOTASPRINGERLONG"  ::)

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 30, 2007, 04:28:28 PM
Now your` smokin` Bob O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 30, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
As of today, the toesup boat werks has resumed production

Mk 5 and Mk 6 of the now world renowned Springer design...

Mk 5 is to be a Standard Springer.... ish...

Mk 6 is to be a follow on from the (in)famous Scoot, modern design but with advanced propultion systems...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Kmot on December 31, 2007, 04:26:41 AM
Is there an echo in here?  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 31, 2007, 08:06:45 AM
I agree with Toes and Arrow, super springer covers everything that deviates from the original springer

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on December 31, 2007, 12:11:26 PM

So whose currently building what in the way of Springer tugs then?
What plans do we have for building one next year? (2008)




Mines going to be rehulled, when the hull arrives from Norry. The orginal (post 149)was made from poor quality ply and leaks on the joins .
Got a Schottel drive for the new one......
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 31, 2007, 02:47:02 PM
Hi all,

Just had another thought about the Springer name for my longer version.

As it was borne out of a Springer, perhaps it should be called an "Offspringerlong"

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on December 31, 2007, 02:49:26 PM
Bob
I am glad I did not read that tomorrow morning, the groan would have hurt my head even more.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on December 31, 2007, 03:33:42 PM



 :)  ;)  O0  ;D  {-)  :D  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 31, 2007, 04:12:18 PM
....yep , but "Offspringer" has a ring to it. Oops I`m sorry :embarrassed: ::) :angel: :-X
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on December 31, 2007, 07:12:31 PM
Doesn't need another name unless you are organizing an entire event around that size, and creating a set of rules for it....

L-class Springers.... ooohhh :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 01, 2008, 04:36:35 PM
Weather unseasonably warm, ice thawed overnight, rain threatening but no wind so I went and wished the ducks  a happy new year...and to all Mayhemers worldwide.   2008 Year of the Springer  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on January 01, 2008, 04:44:35 PM
Arrow - always terrific photos even if it looks horribly cold!
All the Best in 2008,
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on January 01, 2008, 05:03:53 PM
Is that a RC Springer duck passing ahead of your boat. {-)
Happy New year modeling.

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 01, 2008, 05:18:34 PM
Hey Andy; that is a real one.  I started an R/C Duck about 10 years ago....never finished it but now you`ve mentioned it maybe.......nah. Not after seeing "Super Duck" in action ! Do a search for that if you realy want a laugh, anybody got the link?                                                                                                  MikeBC, it was a balmy +8 degrees. Glad you like the pic. The ski slopes are on the hill in a line just up from the bow and the rear of the wheelhouse and as you can see ...black, hardly any snow. Very warm for time of year. The loch was iced over this time last week.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on January 01, 2008, 08:38:59 PM
Hey Andy; that is a real one.  I started an R/C Duck about 10 years ago....never finished it but now you`ve mentioned it maybe.......nah. Not after seeing "Super Duck" in action ! Do a search for that if you realy want a laugh, anybody got the link?                                                                                                  MikeBC, it was a balmy +8 degrees. Glad you like the pic. The ski slopes are on the hill in a line just up from the bow and the rear of the wheelhouse and as you can see ...black, hardly any snow. Very warm for time of year. The loch was iced over this time last week.
hi arrow 5 that looks a lovely loch were in Scotland were you
john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 01, 2008, 10:06:19 PM
Cos; I live in Aviemore,about 30miles south of Inverness. The pics were taken at Loch Morlich with the Cairngorms in the background.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on January 01, 2008, 10:39:06 PM
hi thanks . Yer Scotland has many beautiful loch. Sail my boat on a loch on Rannoch moor About 3 miles from he kings house hotel in Glen coe. It was cold but the scenery was worth it. john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on January 01, 2008, 10:42:17 PM
OK cos918 where you from simple question really as I travel through Glen Coe regularly with work on the way to Morar,maybee could pop in for a coffee!!!!

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on January 01, 2008, 11:47:49 PM
hi live in Abingdon near Oxford. The girlfriend is from Glasgow . So when we go to see her folks if we can we all so like to get up to the highland. And of course it would be rude not to take  boat while why not with so many lovely loch. Well next time i am up will let you know met up for a sail and a coffee .

john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on January 01, 2008, 11:57:36 PM
yes excellent cheers

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 02, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
So you two, that is the start of an Anglo-Welsh touring team. Think you can time it for 2nd weekend in Sept for a Home International against the Scots Springer Team at Loch Insh ( 6 miles south of Aviemore) ? Anybody else fancy a rally, a Springer only event, Suoer Springers welcome (but not for Footy).  Tell SWMBO about the great shopping opportunities at the Aviemore Highland Resort etc etc. Suggestions ? Apply for your passports now!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on January 03, 2008, 08:01:00 AM
A rough preassembly of the stern towing bitt/hawser, and the hawser for the smaller
 bitt on the bow of my Springer...

 :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on January 03, 2008, 12:53:44 PM
BTW does a smoking Springer qualify as a "Standard Springer" ? ;D

thats very impressive

hi all been a while since I was last posting on here!

happy new year
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on January 03, 2008, 11:21:56 PM
Hello all, well I think a naming theme has come to mind but no announcement yet  ;D for the Shet-springers. However here are a few photos of the initial build stages as promised. This also shows the idea of additional formers to assist in the curve for the base plating. So far it is proving workable I'll let you know further down the line if any additional fill by polystyrene is required to keep the shape while the glue bonds.

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on January 05, 2008, 09:04:50 PM
First member of the Bridlington club to send me a piccie of his Springer....."Buoys are Us"
Thought you may like to see her.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on January 05, 2008, 11:02:42 PM

Hi Ian,

So who's is it then?

And why haven't you taken a picture of mine yet.  >>:-(

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on January 06, 2008, 08:37:32 AM
Hi Bob.
It belongs to Brian Wakefield. Maybe I haven't taken a pic of yours because I haven't seen you at the lake for so long......or had my camera with me!
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on January 06, 2008, 05:06:30 PM
Hi Ian,

Cheers.

It was my almost finished Springer that started it all off tha knows. (At our club)

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 07, 2008, 07:49:16 PM
Nice "Buoys".  O0.  My old mate smashed his jet-plane again so I persuaded him to come ice-breaking with his yellow Springer "Wildcat" in the late afternoon winter sun to get over the truama. See how we did on www.putfile.com/Arrow5 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on January 09, 2008, 05:23:17 AM
Nice lot of springers under production.

The buoy tender is looks great too.
All of these out to make a wild meet and polo match if they were all to get together.  8)

Seeing the whole of the fozen loch,... you have to be a couple of loons, but
I do like the ice breaking videos... Thanks Arrow. ;)

Some castings of that Tow bitt/Hawse....

The metal one didn't come out to well, but it can be melted down and poured again.
I think I needed a bit more heat in the pour... oh, and it weighs 142.6 grams.. :o

 :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 09, 2008, 06:08:35 AM
Mk 6 Springer update from the toesup boat werks...

The TWO Graupner 2335 Z drives have been made to fit...  :o

 O0 ;D {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 09, 2008, 09:23:31 AM
       
  In true Glasgow Speak      ..."Ho Youv,e Taken That Too Far"...

 I was considering a twin screw Springer with steerable korts but thats just a wee bit Over THe Top...

  Im surprised that no one has so far come up with a Water Jet powered Springer...Now what would   that be called..

    ...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 09, 2008, 11:35:23 AM
Norry

That would be called on the drawing board by me ;D ;D ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 09, 2008, 12:06:50 PM
Toes has created a Retro styled ducted-fan swamp-boat...it flies that way up.......a surface-skimmer-Springer :o    Shades of Dan Dare for those of you who can remember that excellent comic.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 09, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
       
 

  Im surprised that no one has so far come up with a Water Jet powered Springer...Now what would   that be called..

    ...All The Best...Norry...
        ...a Spritzer  :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on January 09, 2008, 12:14:06 PM
My Club (Bridlington) are planning a 'Bring-a-Springer' weekend this year that will also double as a Club 500 Championship too.
Watch this space!.........all comers will be welcome.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 09, 2008, 03:29:07 PM
...Hi Duncan...Arrow5...

OK...You win the prize...Send me your Address by Private Mail & I will post the prize to you...

        ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 09, 2008, 03:37:33 PM
No thanks Norrie...I wouldnt drink the stuff >:( but the idea is sound. A sort-of bow thruster put in longways ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 09, 2008, 09:39:20 PM
Arrow

Westborne sell them, the nozzle at the rear of the engine is movable I think that is what gives you the steering, very much like the vector nozzle on the rear of a jet fighter aircraft engine. This is the one I am thinking of getting and putting in a springer, must not let SWMBO know.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on January 09, 2008, 11:42:58 PM
right then two scotish springer hulls have landed in goole and many thanks to Norry for his time and patience ,although the fluttering of paper with the queens picture on did help  {-)  O0 .
One of the hulls is for me and the other will be off to Hull for Arthur (another goole member) ,once the workshop is sorted and i can get to the bench then i can make a start , maybe a loading shovel for the front  ;)  ;) .
daz
 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 10, 2008, 07:46:06 AM
Hi Ching, don't you think that the Springer hull shape would be ideal for a pair of "torpedo tube" straight through water-jets instead of the Hamilton type with a bend to suck from the bottom of the hull ? A ram-jet.        Portside; Norry will have no bother exchanging the English money but may only get 95p to the £ :'( {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 10, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
Hi Arrow

Torpedo tube type water jets, do you mean bow thrusters mounted parallel to the hull. I am not sure bow thrusters can be run for a long time without overheating, would be interesting to see. I was thinking of the Hamilton type as these were the only ones I kne about.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 10, 2008, 12:59:36 PM
Yep , like bow thrusters but custom made, probably need 90degree gear set. Straight pipe from under the waterline at bow and out at the curve of the stern. Two simple rudders. Low tech answer since the Springer hull is sort-of Hamilton tube shape.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 10, 2008, 04:00:56 PM
Arrow
That is an interesting thought, I think getting the impellers would be the hardest part the pipework and gear set would be relatively easy.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 10, 2008, 04:17:42 PM
Ah, hadnt thought beyond a Kort prop in a long tube, slight taper towards outlet. I suppose a true multi-blade turbine would be unobtainable except at high cost.  Any pics of a stripped commercial (model sized) one on the web?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 10, 2008, 09:55:35 PM
     ...Hi Guys...

Take a look at Stevie Clubbs home made Bow Thruster in the Tugs & Towing section...
A bigger one of these or 2 & steer by thrust on one side or the other or both to go straight...
           ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 10, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
Norry
What is Stevie Clubbs forum name??

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 11, 2008, 10:00:26 AM
   

   Stevies Forum Name is ministeve
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 11, 2008, 10:16:41 AM


Thanks Norry
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 12, 2008, 10:13:12 PM
Toesup boat werks update..

I've added some of the internal bulkheads and the 'keel' to strenghten the bottom and support the ends of the drives. There are also towing bitt supports added.

Next i need to put the other bulkhead / support in for the superstructure and make up the towing bitts and epoxy them to the ply supports.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on January 13, 2008, 04:43:21 PM
Hi Norry,
I searched for Ministeves Bow thruster in Tugs & Towing, is it a full shot of it or just a tantalising glimpse as I must have missed it.

Regards,
 
  Len.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 13, 2008, 06:03:21 PM
There is a posting called Bow Thruster by RUSSELL  there are pictures of ministeves & polls bow thrusters in there...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 14, 2008, 09:35:39 AM
Yep I found it, thanks Norry.  Ada ; it looks like a tube with a motor and normal mount strapped to the tube at an angle that lets the shaft go into the tube at a shallow angle.  The prop must be at an angle in the tube.  Maybe a flex-drive cable could get the prop vertical in the tube, but a support and bearing would be needed, more complication for a bow-thruster but maye essential for the jet-drive idea.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ministeve on January 14, 2008, 05:07:39 PM
hi Len hears some of the photos i v'e got  the thruster is just a 5"shaft shortend to 2.5" to 3" and a 40mm surface speedboat prop ground down on an angle they work great no need to get the angle lower really but you don't need a fast 540 motor if fact the slower the better otherwise it will cavitate hope you like pics

Steve
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on January 14, 2008, 06:25:37 PM
I'm not planning on fitting a bow thruster on anything just yet, but tell me would a motor off an old remote control car do, the cheap and nasty type?

Andy. :) ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on January 14, 2008, 08:00:11 PM
Hi Andy, fitted a 540 motor out of a rc car in mine and Hannahs and had no problems. it is too powerful but you can never have too much power and isn't that what esc's are for!!! {-) {-) ;D ;D O0

Mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ministeve on January 14, 2008, 08:41:40 PM
absolutely mark can never too much power but can always ease off with the thumbs. NOT THAT I AM LIKELY TO  O0 ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 14, 2008, 09:03:04 PM
Have we lost the thread here ? The idea was to use a bow-thruster-like tube running fore and aft as a propulsion method, not a bow thruster. Any ideas Ministeve, would they produce a "long kort" or would the friction and other hydro forces negate the thrust ?  Torpedo tubes open at both ends for forward thrust is about the easiest way to describe the idea.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on January 15, 2008, 03:05:04 AM
Arrow - I was thinking about the Caterpillar Drives from the Hunt for Red October. ;)
 

Check Rc Groups for this:  Build Log - Corvette VISBY .  Might answer some questions.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 15, 2008, 08:02:01 AM
Caterpillar Drives....just a work of friction ::)   Thanks Andy, I have been looking at that thread but only the shapes, must go back a study the engineering....EDIT; yes Andy that is the approach but a straight torpedo tube from front to back. How to get a simple drive into  a straight pipe without gears if possible. Flexy-drive cable?  Didnt say whether the two props shown were used on the one shaft.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on January 15, 2008, 11:35:28 PM
it might work ,might not but what about an archamedies screw , saw one once on scrapheap chalenge.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on January 16, 2008, 03:07:06 AM
Yes Arrow, this might be interesting.  I have to admit I was toying with the idea of putting a Graupner jet drive in a boat and building up the top like a PBR per your suggestion last summer. It would just be for fun of course.... ;)

I think the problem with the Cat Drive would be cavitation unless the diameter of the tube is large enough. There might be a way to monkey with the nozzle exit diameter to adjust back pressure to keep the prop in clean water... :-\

I was rather taken with the simplicity of the straight shaft at an angle in the bow thruster.

Andy (PNW USA) ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 16, 2008, 12:26:44 PM
Andy , another possibility could be a half-round channel, not a tube, from front to rear of the Springer hull. Maybe even have a Kort ring section round the prop ?     I saw the Archimedes Screw machine that crossed the Bering Straight in mushy ice and was buoyant on water as well as screwing its way along snow and firm ice. The current air-screws and boat/ship propellers are just a section of that system but for high speed use. Gosh, do we really think there is a better mouse-trap? {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on January 17, 2008, 05:33:01 AM
Gosh, do we really think there is a better mouse-trap? {-)

I'll answer with a question - How many models of our solar system were formulated before we finally got it right?    Hmmm, hang on a tick...I like IDEA of gravity and all that but, did we get it right? Or is it just what's in vogue?  ;D

As long as we are having fun I don't think there is a wrong answer.  What we Really ought to do is contact Delft University and get one of their young brains to write a thesis on the Springer as a graduation project.  The heck with North Sea supply boats....we need answers!

Anyone speak Dutch? ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 17, 2008, 07:22:37 AM
Gosh, do we really think there is a better mouse-trap? {-)




Anyone speak Dutch? ;)

    Flemish or Walloon ?    You are correct of course, only a matter of time till we crack the gravity problem.  Any fool can see that the sun goes round the earth >:(.  Same with marine architects, they`ll just tell us to put a pointy bow on our Springers. >:(    BTW Any Springers being built in the Netherlands , for fun or diploma?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 19, 2008, 03:02:47 AM
Toesup boat werks update...

Its a long one, sorry...
You had better remove ALL liquid refreshments and foodstuffs from mouth before reading further, we hold no responsibility for aspirating viewers of this post  ;D

Project Z

No one seemed to notice on my previous posted picture, the Knees (Elbows) are on the wrong end.. Actually, they are on the right end for this Springer from the toesup boat werks..

The toesup boat werks is proud to announce the construction of the worlds first Regnirps class, a backwards Springer.. It is to be of a modern Z Tech type.
Project 'Z' now has a name.... and shall be known as 'Douglas Corrigan'... or 'WW' for short.  O0

Project S

The toesup boat werks design department has been working overtime to overcome the diving tendancies of the Springer.. this time i think we will make use of these 'traits' and use them to our advantage.

The toesup boat werks is proud to release information on its NEW S class Springer...  'S' for Submarine..

So, this is to be a Sub Standard Springer...

Please welcome the SSS Red Oktober...

At this point you are all going to be thinking...   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on January 19, 2008, 08:08:51 AM
Ok I give in what are those brass thingy's set into the hull

Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 19, 2008, 08:56:20 AM
   ...Hi Guys...

I would say that the brass things are "super reinforced Towing Bollards"...

Looks like they are fixed to the keel & strapped to the wooden uprights with wire....

A Beefy Build Indeed...

        ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on January 19, 2008, 09:21:41 AM
Toeswupa Boatwerks are now setting the standard for towing bitt attachment method. Lovely builds    O0

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 19, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
Ok I give in what are those brass thingy's set into the hull

Stavros


ooh ... I do like something  'spring loaded'

Looks like a 'Tamiya' idea to me

Ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on January 19, 2008, 01:53:46 PM

  ACH ZO.....VEE HAF VAYS TO ZINK DER OPPOSITION YAH !  A NAUGHTY SUBMARINE SPRINGER  {-)

      if you make a boat thats intended to float and make it submerge , does that mean any torpedoes you make will float ? :D :D

     Methinks a springer corvette ( springette ) with depth charges will be needed. ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 19, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
Ok I give in what are those brass thingy's set into the hull

But i dont have any 'brass thingies'....  :P

I do have Ali tube, bound and epoxied to 1/4" ply bulkheads as towing bitts though...

I HATE hearing the sound of towing bitts being pulled from a deck...  :'(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bee on January 19, 2008, 10:39:18 PM
Model Engineering show at Alexandra Palace, London - see Commercial Events
There was only one Springer in the show, it is mostly a model engineering show after all, on the Blackheath Club stand. They are celebrating their 60th year BTW.

They are flying the Mayhem flag as you can see if the photo works.The card says it was built in 2 weeks for the Mayhem Weekend. I haven't looked back in the thread to see who it was so the owner can own up and post a better picture.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on January 20, 2008, 05:05:58 PM
That springer is owned by steamboatphil, search for last years Mayhem Weekend I am pretty sure there is a picture there. Phil is into straight running steam boat of all shapes and sizes, he hopes to make a springer one for this years Mayhem Weekend. Also I took a picture at Warwick last year that should have a thread as well.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on January 21, 2008, 10:58:16 PM
Attached is the second Springer being built at this address this one is not mine but will belong to a friend one mistake on the utmost stern.

Andy.

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Stern.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Side.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/MTNewcieBrown.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on January 21, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
you taking a risk with that bottle of brown---v close to the edge!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on January 21, 2008, 11:34:33 PM
Mr Andy , is that a plastic bottom , do you think it will be robust for a head on attack   {-) .
and what about from the under side especialy if our friend from acros the pond Toesuppa gets the submersible version under the water  ??? .
And i agree with boatmadman that bottle is far to close to the edge  :o .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 22, 2008, 09:29:12 AM
 {-)
Now I know why mine leaks, I used Stella Artois to hold mine together, when I should have used newccie brun.
Still the Youngs Winter warmer seems to holding the Steam springer together (strange thing, late at night I appear to be building 3 !!!!!!)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on January 22, 2008, 11:08:27 AM
            ...Hi Guys...

Waiye Aiye Bonny Ladd...Ye Staart Suuppin Thi Geordie Singin Ginja an Ye Staart Taakin Foony...


It even works up here in Scotland....Thaa Knaas...
           
              ...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on January 22, 2008, 06:17:53 PM
When the glue dries inside, he will be fibreglassing the inside and the outter at a later date, the Newcie was only on the edge for ever such a short length of time. {-)

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ddraigmor on January 22, 2008, 07:29:27 PM
Andy,

Is the Banana Wine not being used then?

I imagine if you held it together with some of that it would really be a 'Springer'.....yo yo effect and all that!

Jonty
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on January 22, 2008, 08:40:25 PM
Doesn't it look a funny enough shape already for you. {-) {-) {-)

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 02, 2008, 08:21:08 PM
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..

Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer...  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on February 02, 2008, 09:16:43 PM
That is going to be one wicked subspringer  O0 .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on February 02, 2008, 09:46:26 PM
    ... Hi Guys...

That wee boat is just screaming out for a coat of Banana yellow Gloss...

"We like sailing our Yellow Submarine, Yellow Submarine, Yellow Submarine.

"We Like Sailing our Yellow Submarine"  & so on & so on...

Its Smashing, Wee Johnny Says So...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Wetwater on February 02, 2008, 10:31:04 PM
   Nice one.  O0  Completely different.  Is it going to be armed with torpedo's or cruise missiles. ?   {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 04, 2008, 03:49:19 AM
The Second (currently under construction) Springer from the toesup boat werks is coming along...

The motors have been installed in 'Douglas Corrigan'....  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 04, 2008, 09:50:39 AM
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..
Its beginning to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer...  ::)

Now THAT's a piece of work !!!!  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 04, 2008, 02:05:33 PM
Dont worry guys , the Swedish Naval forces are building a Visby Corvette to hunt Red October at this very moment. :police:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on February 04, 2008, 04:42:01 PM
               ...Hi Guys...

I was beginning to think that you fell in the Loch, Duncan...Where Have You been ?...

My this Springer Fleet is Fair Becoming A Monster...

If all these Springers were to appear at your event, They might not all fit into Loch Insch...Do you want me to see if Loch Lomond is available....

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 04, 2008, 07:22:42 PM
It's getting good isn't it all these stupid, funny, sensible, strange ideas let's hope we all take to the water, and wouldn't it be good if we could all make it to one place. :)

Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 04, 2008, 08:15:48 PM

We Do ...........

The Mayhem meet is being organised again this year ...  Hooray.      O0 O0 O0 O0

I've allready got a grudge match with 'No mustang Mark' on the Tug football lake.

I'm going over to Twin turbo's   8)

Ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on February 04, 2008, 08:31:00 PM
You are only jealous Ken, because you couldn't keep up with me,  he he he  :D :D :D But if it's a war you and Brian want bring it on  {-) {-) {-) {-) O0 O0 O0

Mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 04, 2008, 08:37:39 PM
Norry I`ve gainfully employed now that the snow is here in the mountains. No problem with space..Loch Ness is the reserve pitch.  Mr Andy, Loch Insh too far for you ? Sept second weekend for Highland Springer Splash-in. O0    BTW Norry not Insch...thats in Aberdeenshire  loch Insh, Kincraig,( Aviemore 6 miles)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 04, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
I could be tempted to say yes it is, but it's still early so you never know, but can I come with my twin K nozzled tug? :)

Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 04, 2008, 10:47:14 PM
I've just wired up my Springer tug, one of those old Tamya mechanical speed controls (so flat out or nought  ;D, well it is my "sport" model) and put all the RC in. 

Bench tested it looks like its going to go like a bomb, especially as its got a sport two bladed prop!

Re-motored it by the way, out with the Monoperm, in with a 480.  The drive sounds rather like a brand new VCR re-winding a new tape, if you can picture it!

I know an ESC would be better but this boat has cost me nothing (school was chucking the speed controller!) and I got the RC gear from Chingdevil (what a great chap he is!)

I might take it up the lake this weekend.  I'd better let the glue dry however (throttle servo was glued in on its side) and bath test it first.

Before I go mad and chuck it in the pond and kill it, what sort of handling issues should I watch for?  I know each boat is different but the hull would perform in a similar fashion yes?  All this talk of submarining is making me edgy!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 04, 2008, 11:03:43 PM
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..

Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer...  ::)

thats brilliant!!!

I challenge someone to make one that submerges!   {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 05, 2008, 12:39:58 AM

Bench tested it looks like its going to go like a bomb, especially as its got a sport two bladed prop!

Before I go mad and chuck it in the pond and kill it, what sort of handling issues should I watch for?  I know each boat is different but the hull would perform in a similar fashion yes?  All this talk of submarining is making me edgy!

No... not like a "Bomb"... Like a Submarine..  {-)

Yes, Springers Submarine at WOT... actually, at quite a lot less than WOT... Unless of course you have the weight / waterline waaaaaay back..
They also roll allarmingly, to the stage of the decks getting water on them.. but i have yet to see one roll over.. yet..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 05, 2008, 08:55:50 AM
I could be tempted to say yes it is, but it's still early so you never know, but can I come with my twin K nozzled tug? :)

Andy. O0
  YES, my Visby is stretched and twin motor. All variations of Springer welcome to come to Loch Insh.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 05, 2008, 11:23:11 AM

Bench tested it looks like its going to go like a bomb, especially as its got a sport two bladed prop!

Before I go mad and chuck it in the pond and kill it, what sort of handling issues should I watch for?  I know each boat is different but the hull would perform in a similar fashion yes?  All this talk of submarining is making me edgy!

No... not like a "Bomb"... Like a Submarine..  {-)

Yes, Springers Submarine at WOT... actually, at quite a lot less than WOT... Unless of course you have the weight / waterline waaaaaay back..
They also roll allarmingly, to the stage of the decks getting water on them.. but i have yet to see one roll over.. yet..

thanks Toesup, I think the coaming on mine needs sealing  ::)

Mine rides with the bows quite high, as I'm not done ballasting it yet.  I put some lead and some old ship rivets from PS Waverley in the bows to weight it a bit, so I suspect shipping water might not be too big an issue going ahead. Astern might be a problem though.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 05, 2008, 10:21:04 PM
I just bath tested the boat, and I'm still recovering  :o

basically the combination of a 480 motor running at full speed all the time and a two bladed prop from a Piranha kit has made this boat insanely powerful and fast.


it did its best to pull me in to the bath  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 06, 2008, 12:53:06 AM
I just bath tested the boat, and I'm still recovering  :o

it did its best to pull me in to the bath  {-)

Thats strange... A Springer at WOT usually makes all the water get out of the bath...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 06, 2008, 06:19:57 AM
errr...wot is WOT? 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on February 06, 2008, 07:51:31 AM
Hi Boatmadman, WOT = Wide Open Throttle. I believe this is more common with the fly-boys  :o Not what we scale sailers aere used to  ;)

cheers

Jm
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 06, 2008, 07:51:48 AM
errr...wot is WOT? 

Wide Open Throttle...  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on February 06, 2008, 07:53:49 AM
Good early morning Toesupwa  O0 Seconds apart  :)

cheers

Jim (I suppose I should get back to work )
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 06, 2008, 08:53:20 AM
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..

Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer...  ::)

thats brilliant!!!

I challenge someone to make one that submerges!   {-)
    no problem Willit, go to Putfile and look for Arrow5.  In fact in some circles it is known as "doing an Arrow" !  Agreed I didnt mean to go under but that is the second time... >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 06, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
Red Oktober (SSS) is nearly ready for some glass over the balsa sheeting..

Its beggining to look like a Sub... erm.. Springer... no, Sub... Springer...  ::)

thats brilliant!!!

I challenge someone to make one that submerges!   {-)
    no problem Willit, go to Putfile and look for Arrow5.  In fact in some circles it is known as "doing an Arrow" !  Agreed I didnt mean to go under but that is the second time... >>:-(

OOPSS!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 06, 2008, 10:38:22 PM
tested it with the RC too.  The tiller arm needs extending ( not enough throw), and the rubber couplings got to go and be replaced by a Huco one.  It refused to stop the prop shaft being jettisoned when astern is engaged.  On the plus side the speed controller performed well!

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 07, 2008, 01:18:47 AM
...and the rubber couplings got to go and be replaced by a Huco one.  It refused to stop the prop shaft being jettisoned when astern is engaged.

*Speechless*  :o :o :o

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on February 07, 2008, 08:43:04 AM
Hi Willitt

You could always fit a retaining Collette to the inboard end of the prop shaft to stop it from being jettisoned.

Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 07, 2008, 07:10:21 PM
...and the rubber couplings got to go and be replaced by a Huco one.  It refused to stop the prop shaft being jettisoned when astern is engaged.

*Speechless*  :o :o :o



it was quite funny actually, the boat stopped with the motor roaring away and I looked inside to see this rubber coupling spinning at a funny angle!  Its not got enough grip and although it could be easily UHU'd on I'd rather take no chances and give it a proper U/J.

ahead its fine as the shaft keeps the weight up on the coupling.  Reverse it a few times and it eventually falls off and the prop shaft pulls out.  It doesn't fall out BUT its not good!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 07, 2008, 07:14:28 PM
Hi Willitt

You could always fit a retaining Collette to the inboard end of the prop shaft to stop it from being jettisoned.

Bob

thats a brilliant idea actually!

I have one that might fit!

Thanks!


*5 minutes later*

I fitted one and its doing the job.  The rubber coupling flexes under load though and causes vibration, so I shall have to get a U/J anyway  ::)

Its good for a test run though.  Thanks for the tip!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 07, 2008, 08:11:28 PM
Would someone be good enough to post a picture of their Springers pushing knees please, I'm not sure the best way to do them.

Ta in advance Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 07, 2008, 10:57:47 PM
Would someone be good enough to post a picture of their Springers pushing knees please, I'm not sure the best way to do them.


Like this Andy..  ;)

From Templeton, the Old School Springer.. though you dont have to dress them up like i did.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 07, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
oops...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 07, 2008, 11:33:45 PM
Are they also stuck to the hull? Stupid question I know. They look really good, I'll be thinking about that before I go to sleep.

Ta. Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 07, 2008, 11:35:08 PM
Just enlarged the picture and can see they are. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 08, 2008, 01:51:00 AM
Are they also stuck to the hull?

Have a look back at reply No. 14 (Page 2) to see what they are like below decks. I slot the knees to fit over the bow 1/4" ply
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: cos918 on February 09, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
found this on the net is it a springer tug
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on February 10, 2008, 02:49:03 AM
No...But its what my Springer is based on...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 10, 2008, 04:10:46 AM
This is a 'real' Springer... and its for sale...

A snip at only $98,500...

http://www.gulfcoastcrane.com/tugcrewboats.html
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 13, 2008, 05:36:38 PM
going to properly test my Springer soon.  Waiting for a nice day, I would have done it today but never got round to it!  And tomorrows out, so it looks like its going to sail on Saturday!

I managed to sort the rubber coupling out so now the steering needs work.  It works but the turning circle is patheticly wide.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs.... Pushing Knees..Dimensions
Post by: banjo on February 13, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
 :)

Hi People,

Are there regulatory dimensions for the "Knees" and if so what are they?

Thanks in advance..

 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on February 13, 2008, 06:19:56 PM
Banjo
Not as far as I know, just try and keep them above the waterline. They are supposed to be on 7 inch centres on the springer.
I have attached a picture of the ones on my original springer, hope it helps.

Brian
P.S  it is not to scale
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: banjo on February 13, 2008, 06:28:15 PM
 O0

Thanks very much..

 ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 16, 2008, 04:27:06 AM
Red Oktober has had its anti radar, anti asdic coating...  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on February 16, 2008, 01:25:18 PM
Hi toesupwa

         Like the colour ;),great to hide in the black Loch Insh waters.
   
    ( Arrrow5 will need lots of extra air cover for the Carrier if it ever got over to this side of the pond )

     Timo2 :-X
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 16, 2008, 07:03:27 PM
Here Here HERE what do you mean ? I`ll have you know that the water of Loch Insh is crystal clear ! In fact i`ve been known to imbide a mouthful or two( when forced) and the blue/green algae is a damned myth perptrated by scurrilous devils at Loch Morlich.  Black water indeed, you`ll be calling it cold next, slander man just slander I tell you. >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 16, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
Is there a optimum waterline position?  I think having tried to sail mine today and failing miserably that I should have a look at bringing the nose down a bit more.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 16, 2008, 10:35:10 PM
Willit , there is a waterline shown on all the plans. I run mine a bit down(4or5 degrees) at the stern to stop the dreaded dive under full power (just a standard 540 brushed motor on 6volts). The water line is parallel to the deck-line down about 3.5cm but that is just a painted line, position will vary with weight.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 17, 2008, 12:40:23 AM
I think having tried to sail mine today and failing miserably that I should have a look at bringing the nose down a bit more.

Bring the bow DOWN?  >>:-(

Springers are supposed to bury the bow under the water...

At least, all mine do...  >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 17, 2008, 12:21:07 PM
Today we have my first springer re-powered from an electronize 543 motor to a speed 600.

Fisrt pic is with the electronize, the rest are with the 600.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on February 17, 2008, 12:26:38 PM
Toesupwa migth have built a sub springer, but that is not how they were designed. I have moved the batteries in mine towards the back, so just like arrow5 I have a slight front up attitude. It does help stop some of the springer diving, but with a 540 motor at full chat no chance.  Just make sure you have an internal coaming and the superstructure is water tight, if this is not the case do not run your springer in deep water ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 17, 2008, 08:53:57 PM
thanks for the tips.

Mines having remedial work done so I can actually get it further out from the bank than I did last time!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 18, 2008, 12:30:05 AM
Toesupwa migth have built a sub springer, but that is not how they were designed.

Red Oktober hits the pool....  :o

1/ Its way too quick with a 19 turn HOT car motor in it.
2/ Its WAY WAY too noisey...
3/ Needs a housebrick to bring it down to the waterline
4/ The water just 'peels' of the shaped bow.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 18, 2008, 07:07:05 AM
Black,smooth with a froth....should have called it Guiness. Pure genius............ imaginative artistry.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 18, 2008, 04:30:47 PM
I think thats brilliance.

Well done Toesupwa.

Now you have to make a submerging one!  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 18, 2008, 05:03:27 PM

An early contender for Springer of the year!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 18, 2008, 06:06:06 PM
He will have to bring it across the pond to receive the award!  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 19, 2008, 04:42:55 AM
He will have to bring it across the pond to receive the award!  {-)

OK...  :P
If i can show pics sometime during the year of RO at a British event.. with a 'known' British Springer, would that suffice?..  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 19, 2008, 07:50:50 AM
Methinks Toes has a cunning plan...be aware no cardboard replicas or Photoshop trickery . Huh who`d  believe Red Oktober at a UK event. I think he is homesick and looking for an excuse to visit the old country. {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: explorer750 on February 19, 2008, 04:35:47 PM
Would a paddle springer be a British springer.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 19, 2008, 05:39:42 PM
Would a paddle springer be a British springer.

If it was built in Britain, then yes... it would
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 19, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
Paddle boats aren`t an exclusive British thing. Easiest would be a stern-wheeler and that might take us back to the  USA, home of the Springer,with all the great rivers like the Mississippi and the Ohio. Great opportunity for showboat with lights and music :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 19, 2008, 05:56:12 PM
Would a paddle springer be a British springer.

If it was built in Britain, then yes... it would
....and pray tell, what would a Russian submarine built in the USA by a Brit be ? ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 19, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
Would a paddle springer be a British springer.

If it was built in Britain, then yes... it would
....and pray tell, what would a Russian submarine built in the USA by a Brit be ? ::)

A Springer!... yeeeesh.. keep up Arrow!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 20, 2008, 08:34:23 AM
Ahummm......yeeeeeees..... er        Mmmmm right :-\ :kiss:  I know the answer... I just didnt understand the question ...or. Ach i`m away back to bed. >:( :( >>:-( :embarrassed: :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: explorer750 on February 20, 2008, 10:49:46 AM
Is a Thames barge springer British enough then? >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 20, 2008, 02:02:08 PM
Show us a picture and we`ll tell you.... no build it anyway. Springers are a sort of Formula Libre above the waterline.  Didnt think Thames barges(lighters) had engines but plenty of Thames workboats would be suitable candidates.  It is only the hull that is regulated, above the deck can be anything you like, doesnt have to be scale. Read the first dozen posts in this thread.  Attached pics of a Springer and barge. Clyde not Thames but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 20, 2008, 11:22:47 PM
Thinking of building a barge after comleting the Springer, something for it to play with, about 4' too big? No no!!

Andy. O0 ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 21, 2008, 07:23:48 AM
Would be interesting at 4ft Andy and certainly needs to be bigger than the one shown above.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 21, 2008, 12:37:45 PM
Oh sod it, it'd only be for fun, might even get the lads to bring their tugs out to the lake.

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 24, 2008, 07:17:06 PM
Made a mega cock up with the paint one reacted against the other, and on advice from two gentlemen one off here I stipped her back too bear wood, now instead of putting a nice shinney coat on I have to start all over again. :'( :'( :'(

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on February 25, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
    ...Hi Guys...

...Mr Andy...We have a mould at our club for making a flat top barge in GRP...

I cant remember the full dimensions at present but i could get them for you if you wish...Its approx  40" long by 14 " beam x 7" high...

We could mould you one ( For a Wee Fee of course) & bring it down to the Ellesmere Port Show in March...

The Wirral Club had a wee loan of the mould so they could make barges for a Rhine Pusher Tug...

Get in touch if you are interested...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 25, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
I notice in the Model Boats magazine, Dave Brumstead is doing a build series on the Springer Tug!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on February 25, 2008, 08:35:53 PM
Norry thanks for the other, I'm going to have a bash building one myself I'msure my friend who is also buiding a Springer will like too get involved, I would appriciate any measurments and help in getting it started, which won't be untill the delayed launch of my Springer >:(

All the best and thanks, Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 26, 2008, 12:06:41 AM
I keep thinking...


steam powered Springer...




hmmmm.....


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 26, 2008, 08:54:12 AM
Hi Willit
Due to our lovely administrator throwing down the gauntlet, having seen seen my high speed steam straight runners, I am half way through building my steam springer. It has a flat twin single acting steam plant, copper boiler fired from a vaporising petrol blowlamp. Its a bit of a squeeze into the the hull, but it does go in. I will have it at the Mayhem weekend, but meanwhileI will post a few pics to show progress 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 26, 2008, 09:45:15 AM
And the next logical step is..... an ic engined springer!

Any takers?  ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on February 26, 2008, 10:21:29 AM
Hello all, what can we call Steamboat phil in the nicest possible way hhmmm MAD  O0 Willit if you want I could supply an old petrol strimmer, no only joking but I bet there is someone out there looking to do just that.

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 26, 2008, 10:41:06 AM
Where is it all going to end????? :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on February 26, 2008, 02:04:43 PM
It will probably end with a BANG...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ralphhager on February 27, 2008, 06:45:32 AM
I think you might be interested in a this Springer websites.  This is one of the best Springer-build logs that I have viewed so far.  His web name is SRY, he is an expert model builder from Hungary.  You will agree once you view his site:  http://springer.surmanzs.fotoalbum.hu/.   This is one of the most complete picture build log of a Springer.  He had 301 pictures with excellent detail.  They were so great that  I viewed all 301.....
ENJOY!   Ralph1937

http://springer.surmanzs.fotoalbum.hu/

Plans (CAD) and build guide (hungaryan  )
http://users.atw.hu/sry/walrus.htm

Short film:
http://videa.hu/play.php?v=3TrVGFkDQaTXpwFn

Home Page:
http://www.sry.atw.hu

SRY
(a hungaryan modeller)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 27, 2008, 12:31:54 PM
The Swedish Visby shipbuilders have a stealth corvette with nice futuristic lines (Read slab sided=easy build) so I reckoned the logical next step was a Visby tug. Started top, as is my wont , hull to follow, standard Springer,540 etc no Korts etc etc. To be named "Stringer".
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on February 27, 2008, 03:01:52 PM
Hi arrow.....going along the same sort of lines with my next springer.........its a grey funnel line springvette  called h,m,s springberry :D..with a few depth harges on the back and a 4.5 gunn the front........should be good for a laugh {-) O0.

                         regards......bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 27, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
Nyah Nyah copycat , you sure about the name ?   HMCG might be peeved  >>:-(   See it doing ice-breaking duties last month on www.putfile.com/Arrow5    A `vette well why not call it after the famous WWII "Flower" class "HMS Springflower" ;D 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 27, 2008, 06:58:13 PM
why not call it after the famous WWII "Flower" class "HMS Springflower" ;D 

Spring flower = 'Snowdrop'  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 27, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
Daffodil?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on February 28, 2008, 04:36:20 PM
Croak-us?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 28, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
Little weed?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on February 28, 2008, 09:42:39 PM
LITTLE WEED  ? :(.......DANDELION AT LEAST , OR EVEN SPRINGING NETTLE :D O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on February 28, 2008, 10:13:16 PM
Zebedee?  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 28, 2008, 11:35:40 PM
I took the Springer up the road for a test run today, and I'm glad to say its behaving itself now.  It roared around for about 30 minutes before I flattened the battery!  I wasn't carrying a spare so had to go home.  The turning circle was good and the motor gave out a good top speed.  It did take a while for the boat to stop when you went astern but that all adds to the fun  ::)

What sort of run time do others get from their Springers?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 29, 2008, 03:30:08 AM

What sort of run time do others get from their Springers?

With a pair of 6v 4.5ah SLA's... ohhhh, 2-3 hours... depending on how much pushing they have to do...  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 29, 2008, 09:24:51 AM
djrob, how about "Stinger" since yours will be armed.  Or after a real ship of the past "HMS Striker"  O0  I went from Egypt to Cyprus on that one.  Got any pics so far ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on February 29, 2008, 09:53:24 AM
Hi arrow.......... >:(me and pccies dont seem to get on ! . I tried putting piccies of my other springer......fubar 1 on here ..and no matter what i do they won't go on.....think a new computor is called for :'(

           regards.......bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on February 29, 2008, 11:17:49 PM

What sort of run time do others get from their Springers?

With a pair of 6v 4.5ah SLA's... ohhhh, 2-3 hours... depending on how much pushing they have to do...  :P

unfortunately my one is flat out or nought, with little in between (it has a "slower" speed but its not that much slower!

Maybe I should invest in bigger batteries?

I was only using a 7.2v Ni-cad pack.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 01, 2008, 04:57:23 PM
The maiden voyage was today and my camera died and I could only get stills but they show the boat working.

Unfortunately it all went a bit wrong on this maiden voyage.  My mate had bought a Dickie Tug and the RC on it was DIRE in the extreme.  Basically it died halfway out in the pond and the springer was quickly deployed to save it (range on Dickie was little more than three feet and the wind carried it).  I still hadn't realised quite how strong the Springer was and I hit the Dickie way to hard (remember my boat is flat out or nought) and knocked her on her beam ends.  Then the wind got up and very soon all that could be seen of poor Dickie was the red hull and the kort nozzle!  The Springer had no chance of pushing it in so it was brought back in and Willit was chucked in to push the upturned Dickie in.  It did so but full speed was required and eventually I destroyed the 380 motor, throwing a pole.  Although it got back to shore, it had a dead spot and previous experience caused me to write off the motor straight away  .  I'm now on the third motor!  The last one lasted half the time of the original one!

So it all went wrong 

My mate quickly dismantled Dickie on the pond side, drained all the water out, and put it back together.  We were surprised it wasn't full, the superstructure flooded of course but the hull had only a small amount in it, despite a total capsizing.  In the end we gave up on the Dickie, its now scheduled to come to me and have proper RC put in, a way of me apologising for capsizing his brand new boat!

Willit has just been remotored by me (I had spares fortunately).  I have replaced the 380 with a 480BB which as you can imagine has made a strong tug into a super duper strong tug.  Yayness.

Here are some pics of the Springer in action, as well as the ill Dickie. 

As soon as the new batteries are in the Springer, as well as the aerial (you can see the temp arrangement I made) it shall be declared finished.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF7754.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF7753.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF7752.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on March 01, 2008, 06:21:50 PM
      ...Hi Willit...
If both boats were on the same frequency say 40Mhz 0r 27 Mhz, the radio on your Springer would shut down the radio on the Dickie tug...

I am going to fit 6 volt decaperms in my Springers when i get round to building them as I have heard of a few motors being burned out...
It might be something to do with the flat bow on the Springer making it a bit much to push around for any length of time...

I am going to mould a couple of GRP Springer hulls then add the upperworks of the Dickie tugs to make 2 boats for kids to play with at our club...Hopefully they will go away home wanting to build a boat of their own & therefore we have a future in our hobby...

...All The Best...Norry..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 01, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
Hi Norry

I have killed two 540's and a 380 motor in my springers. All new 540's fitted are now water cooled, yet to test them. I am not sure if it is the shape completely, because I have not heard of many problems with motors from Toesupwa and he has made quite a few. I think it might be more down to the type and shape of prop fitted to the springer. I would be interested to hear what others think.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 01, 2008, 06:54:38 PM
      ...Hi Willit...
If both boats were on the same frequency say 40Mhz 0r 27 Mhz, the radio on your Springer would shut down the radio on the Dickie tug...

I am going to fit 6 volt decaperms in my Springers when i get round to building them as I have heard of a few motors being burned out...
It might be something to do with the flat bow on the Springer making it a bit much to push around for any length of time...

I am going to mould a couple of GRP Springer hulls then add the upperworks of the Dickie tugs to make 2 boats for kids to play with at our club...Hopefully they will go away home wanting to build a boat of their own & therefore we have a future in our hobby...

...All The Best...Norry..

I fear you misread my post Norry, the Dickie went out of range within three feet of its rubbish transmitter.  The Springer was sent in because, interference not withstanding, the Dickie was dead before I'd even reached to turn on my transmitter to rescue the dead Dickie with the Springer, if that makes sense lol.  The Springer's motor has not been wrecked, Willits has!  Fortunately its been replaced with the same type as the one in the Springer so it should be tougher.  Got to be careful with the throttle though, its got quite a bit more power now!

I really am fed up with radio frequencies.  Am I right in thinking that a boat on 27.145 will not interfere with one on 27.195?  Because the Dickie was the former and the Springer the latter.  Is that band just too narrow for them to work together?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 01, 2008, 11:18:21 PM
I am not sure if it is the shape completely, because I have not heard of many problems with motors from Toesupwa and he has made quite a few. I think it might be more down to the type and shape of prop fitted to the springer. I would be interested to hear what others think.

In order...
540 19 turn watercooled in a standard springer 6v
540 can motor standard springer 6v
12v pittman in a super springer 12v, 2 1/4" prop
12v pittman in a super springer 12v, 3 3/4" prop
540 19 turn in a standard springer 6v

I've not had any problems with motors burning out. They get a bit warm running 75lb barges with the standard springers.. and 250lb barges with the super springers.
Free running without barges, i have no problems with heat issues at all

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on March 02, 2008, 12:53:58 AM
...Hi Guys...

Willit, Apologies if my remarks were wrong...

We have had problems galore at several different clubs with these Dickie Toys...

People who are new to the hobby go out & buy  a  "Dickie Toy" then get all Hot & Bothered at the Pond-side when you try to explain that there toy radio wont work when we switch on our real radio to sail our "Model Boats."..." But it says on the box,,,Charge the batteries and sail your model boat" is the usual cry...

I saw a nice situation at a club regatta last summer...A lovely highly detailed model of a Clyde Paddle Steamer was sailing round the pond with Scottish Music playing on board as the mini passengers were enjoying their afternoon cruise...
Along comes Mr Newcomer with his wee £29.99 Toy Speedboat from the local Maplins store...Launches  his boat,,, Full Throttle for 15 feet & just as his battery is about to give up his boat rams into the side of the cruising paddler & rips Lifeboats, Davits. Handrails, Passengers & Paintwork off the side of the paddler...Damage costing the Paddlers owner about £50.00. to repair not including the time to do the repairs & Mr Newcomer says "Sorry Mate I,m new to this lark"...Then picks up his toy Boat & dissapears back up the road from which he came...

Manufacturers  should state on the packaging of the Toy Boat that it is in fact a Toy Boat & not a Model Boat...

I,m going now to get down off the soapbox & go to bed as I have a lot to do Tomorrow, Oops  I mean later Today...

...Best Regards...Norry...

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on March 02, 2008, 02:51:26 AM
Greetings - we have the same hiccups here at our pond. I have 3 radios on the 27 frequency - but the lower end hobby shop boats seem to come with a radio that could run over any of the channels. Typically good old Dad buys a boat from the LHS but they neglect to tell them that the radios can interfere. A "xxxxx" if you buy two boats, one for each child and find only one runs at a time and you don't understand why. I frequently check by turnng mine on and watching to see who's boat quits, then turn it off and explain to the parent what they need to know. In the go-fast boats they usually run out of power after a few minutes so they can have fun and I'll just wait it out. Your Dicky might have been in that grouping as I've got one and it is the same. No other 27 radios - works great.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 02, 2008, 09:46:25 AM
thanks all for pointing out the flaws in the Dickie RC.

Hopefully the new RC will work a bit better and we can have the mass-tug gathering we dream of!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 03, 2008, 02:44:35 PM
Hey Willit, see FuntimeFrankie`s look-alike?  When are you coming north of the border and to where?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 03, 2008, 07:01:48 PM
Hey Willit, see FuntimeFrankie`s look-alike?  When are you coming north of the border and to where?

I think I did see that one.  I endeavoured to make mine look different  ;D

We're coming on the sleeper train to Fort William then on the Jacobite train to Mallaig.  Dates are still hazy!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on March 03, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
Hey Willit, see FuntimeFrankie`s look-alike?  When are you coming north of the border and to where?
Mine first appeared in April '07 (post 149)
But's it's had a new hull and supersructure since then..... ;)

the motor prop shaft etc are the same {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 03, 2008, 08:09:46 PM
Yep Frankie these students just copy everything these days ::).  Willit is it a special rail excusion to Malliag ? Dont forget to call it MAHL-ig not mahl-AIG. Locals will appreciate that O0 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 03, 2008, 08:45:08 PM
Yep Frankie these students just copy everything these days ::).  Willit is it a special rail excusion to Malliag ? Dont forget to call it MAHL-ig not mahl-AIG. Locals will appreciate that O0 

you know the regular steam service up there?

well its now called the Jacobite and runs throughout the year.

I went a long time ago with the parents when British Rail was still around.  Was a good trip.

And yes I will admit I was influenced by Frankies boat, but only because it looked so nice!  I added a little bit more detail just to set them aside.  I'd be interested in sitting it next to it to see if the superstructure is a similar size.

Eventually it will have more detail put on but at the mo the main task is getting it running well.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: funtimefrankie on March 03, 2008, 09:19:13 PM
This is what influenced mine O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 03, 2008, 09:24:30 PM
Yes I know the "Hogwarts Express".  I also see the Strathspey Railway to "Glenbogle" (Monarch of the Glen TV series) out of my front window every day. Sometimes celeb locos.Your Springer will look nice with that detail in pic, thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 03, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
it will indeed look very good Frankie!

when I did mine I went on the net, found lots of pics of Bantams and picked a detail I liked from each one.  the end doors were a must, had a lot of fun making them!  The only reason I did the plated up window was at the time I had run out of black paint and wanted a quick fix!  {-)

I've got to get a few bits still, mainly a vent, spot lamp and klaxon horn to go on.  Not a lot, but enough to make it look more boat like.  Too much and it will keep losing bits at the pondside! 

These detail bits are very much required.  The last time the Bantam Springer was a'crusin, someone said,

"look at that boat, it looks like a floating train"

and for once.....I had to agree!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 05, 2008, 11:37:08 AM
....and from our agent in a northern climate some details emerging of the Visby stealth tug "Stringer" for the Swedish Navy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on March 05, 2008, 04:36:34 PM
Hi Arrow5,
Is that big mauve thing underneath a Voith Snider unit?.
It looks good anyway.

Len    ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 05, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
Ada, nope not top secret drive system but part of the Lady Muriel`s birthday prezzy, a tin of "Quality Sreet" choccies. I did think of getting her a new blade for her bushman`s saw but why pamper them O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andygh on March 05, 2008, 09:29:52 PM
We did the Jacobite trip in 2006, I can enthusiastically recommend it, I would say it entails some spectacular views but then that's the norm in the Highlands so it goes without saying. The Cullen Skink served at the restaurant by Mallaig harbour is not to be missed  O0

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/hmstrouncer/PICT0032Small.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/hmstrouncer/PICT0002Small.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/hmstrouncer/PICT0015Small.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/hmstrouncer/PICT0020Small.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on March 05, 2008, 10:19:45 PM
That resteraunt in Mallaig is EXCELLENT I allways call in there for some nosh when I am working up in the area.Now I hear you all ask and say but you from Wales correct but boss has estate the other side of Loch Morar  thats why


Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on March 11, 2008, 07:12:54 PM
Cor it's quiet on the springer front everyone must be building for the Mayhem bash


Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on March 11, 2008, 08:44:59 PM
Sorry Stavros , won't be traveling to the Mayhem bash but on the point of building.... it is still too blooming cold and windy to be out in the workshop.

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 11, 2008, 10:54:02 PM
Cor it's quiet on the springer front everyone must be building for the Mayhem bash


Stavros
    OK , just for you Stav., I`ve switched off the elctronic cloacking device and shot a pic of "Stringer" stealth tug while she was having another coat of invisible paint applied. I see I`ve caught my reflection in the mirror. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on March 12, 2008, 09:13:42 PM
Cor Arrow I don't remember  you being that good looking  {-)
the Stringer certainly looks good
cheers

 O0 Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 13, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
If you liked that Big Boy here is one with my full make-up on :o  BTW when are we going to see the northern-most UK Springer fleet ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 15, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
Have you seen the vac formed springer on e-bay. Very light weight, now I'm thinking high speed springer racing  (club 500 springers) Right back to the steam springer (pics soon)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 15, 2008, 07:25:59 PM
Have you seen the vac formed springer on e-bay. Very light weight, now I'm thinking high speed springer racing  (club 500 springers) Right back to the steam springer (pics soon)

lets not get back onto that highly controversial vac form hull!  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 15, 2008, 08:53:39 PM
I am with Willit on this one, the vac form hull was flogged to death some time ago.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 16, 2008, 06:46:43 PM
Sorry chaps missed the posting-shall remain tight lipped
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 19, 2008, 06:09:21 PM
I have fitted my water cooling pipes to the motor of my Springer but I did not get the performence I was expecting.  I have seen a youtube clip of one of our members (forgive me I cannot remember which one) Springers and the water is flowing out of it when the boat is running against the bank.  Mine apparently will only put water into the coil when the boats underway, by which time the boat has crashed into the end of the bath, so I can't see whats happening!

is this normal?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on March 19, 2008, 07:44:13 PM
Yes, get a bigger bath  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 19, 2008, 10:55:47 PM
 {-)

by the time the water has flowed fairly quick into the coil the boats out the bath and on the floor upside down!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on March 20, 2008, 02:39:34 PM
Hi willit...........in a previous life when i dabbled with the infernal conbustion thingys...........we put the pick up tube for the water a few millimetres behind the prop and within the propwash , this gauranteed water flow even when the boat was being held .

                               regards.....bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 20, 2008, 03:29:11 PM
Hi willit...........in a previous life when i dabbled with the infernal conbustion thingys...........we put the pick up tube for the water a few millimetres behind the prop and within the propwash , this gauranteed water flow even when the boat was being held .

                               regards.....bob.

Hi Bob,

I have done this but it hasn't made that much difference!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 20, 2008, 04:34:38 PM
I think I've got it sorted now.  The water only goes up the pipes when the boat is underway but I'm sure it will work tomorrow when I try it.

Heres pics of the set up.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF7866.jpg)

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/matthewpeter/DSCF7867.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on March 20, 2008, 08:49:04 PM
I put mine in yesterday for the first time, apart from teething problems and hot motors which I will need to cool I have no complaint.
Mine has twin independant K's and 500 motors, photos attached I hope.

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Almost1.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Spring1.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Spring2.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Spring3.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Spring4.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Mr-Tomcat/Spring5.jpg)

All the best Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 20, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
Willit, a couple of points not related to the water-cooling exactly but it will help with cooling the motor. Drill a couple or four holes on the mount to match the holes on the face of the motor. Make sure you have large radius bends on the silicon water tube and that they dont get kinked or narrowed for any reason.  Check for debris, seeds or sand etc in the coil from time to time by blowing through it.   Your antenna looks far too short unless you have a plug to the rest of it. Make sure the propeller shaft is full of grease.  Some floatation might be wise too. Sink happens !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 20, 2008, 10:17:51 PM
Willit, a couple of points not related to the water-cooling exactly but it will help with cooling the motor. Drill a couple or four holes on the mount to match the holes on the face of the motor. Make sure you have large radius bends on the silicon water tube and that they dont get kinked or narrowed for any reason.  Check for debris, seeds or sand etc in the coil from time to time by blowing through it.   Your antenna looks far too short unless you have a plug to the rest of it. Make sure the propeller shaft is full of grease.  Some floatation might be wise too. Sink happens !

thanks for the tips Arrow.

By your commenting on them I take it you think the bends are too sharp in the pipe? 
I need to grease the shaft, but that will be done.

And I think I shall take up your idea about the motor bracket holes.  The motor already has some pretty big holes in it but a couple more won't hurt!

The antenna is indeed continued into the superstructure.

thankyou!  Will sort it all out tomorrow and report back.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 21, 2008, 11:39:51 PM
tested boat today, water cooling is working well and the motor is kept cool, or at least a little bit warm.  I'm tempted to fit an ESC to replace the mechanical Tamiya doodad its got now.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 23, 2008, 03:50:41 PM
Here we are first view of the steam springer (if I have pushed the right buttons and attached the pics) the engine is a flat twin 1/2 inch bore and stoke, single acting. The boiler will sit almost ontop (if I have got my sums right). And also progress on the electric one. Right back to the workshop.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 23, 2008, 04:16:15 PM
Verrrrry Niiiicccce Phil, lovely construction details.  Where is the coal bunker?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 23, 2008, 07:15:29 PM
Phil
Is the steam one just a straight runner or are you going to put R/c into it??

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 23, 2008, 09:06:53 PM
Hi Brian
At pesent the plan is just to put put a servo on the rudder, however it proves a little to un controlable then a little straight runner it shall become. I will post pics of the boiler set-up tomorrow along with the blowlamp.
Phil
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 23, 2008, 10:41:12 PM
wow Phil thats looking rather splendid!  I'm afraid you have rather inspired me to have a go at my own.  I reckon a Wilesco V-twin would go in quite well.  Smaller boiler needed though :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 24, 2008, 08:07:49 PM
Have a go Willit, at least there will be two of use able to keep warm at the pondside (plus bonus burgers) have a look at the pic, this shows how the boiler will be fitted (its just sort of resting there while I work on the pipework) You can also see the petrol blowlamp (small though it is). I have posted some more bits in the steam section.
And I have a name for it as well (and this has keep me giggling for ages) I'm going to call it Bruce, which of course is short for (wait for it)" Bruce Spring-Steam !!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 24, 2008, 08:34:10 PM

Bruce Spring-Steam !!!!!    {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)    O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 24, 2008, 08:55:27 PM
Phil

That is bad! Bruce Spring Steam, Groan, Groan.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 25, 2008, 11:06:15 AM
Groan too, how about "Streamer" ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 25, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
I like that, so has anybody else got a great name for a semi flash steam springer. Put your thinking caps on.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 25, 2008, 03:32:06 PM
Dont anybody say "Flasher" :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on March 25, 2008, 08:52:07 PM
Have a go Willit, at least there will be two of use able to keep warm at the pondside (plus bonus burgers) have a look at the pic, this shows how the boiler will be fitted (its just sort of resting there while I work on the pipework) You can also see the petrol blowlamp (small though it is). I have posted some more bits in the steam section.
And I have a name for it as well (and this has keep me giggling for ages) I'm going to call it Bruce, which of course is short for (wait for it)" Bruce Spring-Steam !!!!!

thats looking somewhat amazing Phil, can't wait to see it roaring at 23 knots across the lake, all manner of waterfowl proceeding ahead of it.   ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 26, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
From a secret location in the north, stealth Springer has float test. Too much ice for motoring. Suitable "Swedish" looking weather.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 26, 2008, 02:04:06 PM

How many servos were needs to activate the gun that pops out of the fore deck?  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 26, 2008, 03:41:46 PM
Military secret...cant tell you. :-X   No ballistics involved but you might need gene therapy after it is activated if you catch my drift. :police: ???. :-\ ??? :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: DickyD on March 26, 2008, 03:45:20 PM
Military secret...cant tell you. :-X   No ballistics involved but you might need gene therapy after it is activated if you catch my drift. :police: ???. :-\ ??? :embarrassed:
Surely if you tell him you'll have to shoot him. (http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/thinking1.gif)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 26, 2008, 04:04:43 PM
No ballistics I said...it is irridation, gets you right between the jeans every time :(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 30, 2008, 03:17:46 PM
H.M.S Bollard takes shape...and no it doesn't submerge (intentionally ???)
Title: Springer tug for salle on ebay.
Post by: tugboyben on March 31, 2008, 11:41:35 AM
hi all springer tug hull for sale on ebay item number 330223629744 have a look:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330223629744&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D330223629744%2B%26fvi%3D1
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on March 31, 2008, 09:17:24 PM
SSH SSH and there I was quietly going to bid on it now teh world knows back ot the drawing board



Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 31, 2008, 11:08:05 PM
Water has gone soft again so got anti submarine stealth tug (ASST) and HMS Bollard afloat for dry run ...eh ?  No motor in sub yet, it is one of Norry`s fibreglass jobbies.  Short video on www.putfile.com/Arrow5.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 31, 2008, 11:25:52 PM
..and a couple more.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andygh on March 31, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
arrow5 you're an amazingly prolific springer builder and some of them are superb, do you build more conventional boats too?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 01, 2008, 08:16:34 AM
Andy, nope afraid not , just time on my hands waiting for better weather . I fly model planes.  Check www.warshipmodelsunderway.com   Page 6 in the Gallery for my only other model boat or www.flickr.com  and look for Arrow5 for the other things. BTW my Springers are pretty rough and ready quickies, the camera can and does lie! 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 06, 2008, 06:30:18 PM
DJRobbo's springer at Wat Tyler country park this morning


Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 06, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
Yeeeesh, that lake has got a nasty slope on it!  :o

Can you do downhill waterski'ing on it?

Or does that Springer need some lead up the bow?.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 06, 2008, 11:30:05 PM
Definatly needs Ballast forrard


Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 07, 2008, 07:54:29 AM
Trimmed for ice-breaking duties methinks.  Dont go astern in a hurry !  Like the details though.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on April 07, 2008, 10:47:17 AM
 Batteries  set towards the stern........stops the tendancy to become a submarine under wot....................mind you they were a little too far back thus giving the rather stern down appearance ::)

             regards..bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Jolly Roger on April 08, 2008, 06:17:03 AM
I enjoy your creative builds and I have built two springer hulls, one wide and one narrow. Both are powered by Graupnner Hydrodrive units, that I find reliable but noisy, just like a Springer should be. Although I live near the Mississippi and Missouri rivers  and interest in R/C tug boats is high, the Springerd design has met mixed reviews. It seems the kids enjoy the look and performance of the Springers,  as they slosh around. The older model makers don't seem to get it , that the boats are just for fun. When my daughter teaches me how to post pictures, I will. 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 08, 2008, 07:29:26 AM
I have built two springer hulls, one wide and one narrow.

But a Springer hull ... is a Springer hull... if its not a Springer hull, then its not a Springer... i thunk...  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on April 08, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
   DER !!!!   my brain hurts now :D

       building springer mk 2 now ....grey funnel line........hms springclean..........anti submarine springer {-) {-) O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 08, 2008, 02:15:39 PM
HMS Springclean, he he {-). Well the cold fusion reactor and power system  has been fitted to "Sprub" and cold weather test completed this day.  Warning ALL grey vessels are at risk of capture and internment.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on April 08, 2008, 06:04:41 PM
 {-) {-) {-)  really good stuff.........the only real problem with hms springclean (her majestys springer ) is working out how to make the depth charges work O0

               regards.......bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 09, 2008, 05:13:05 PM
Bleeding heck there is some imagination on this site {-) I had to prise the deck off mine yesterday my mottors need cooling but there is hardly ant room left in my hull I despaired when I found no room for the water pump it will live in the superstructure. Never mind I will build something bigger next time, oh no next time :'( :'(

Andy. O0 :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 10, 2008, 05:41:40 PM
I thought I would post a couple of pictures of the latest springer in the chingdevil fleet. There is still a small amount to finish, like after I had taken the photos I realised I had not fitted a door to the bridge :-\ :-\
The digger front was supposed to be working but I hit snags in trying to get it to work, the time it took and then to fail  I nearly binned it, anyway enjoy.


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tim_uk on April 10, 2008, 07:09:05 PM
I am having a go at building a simple springer - my first go at building a model - and the basic plywood hull is almost complete.

My question is about fibre-glassing it - is there any advice on this please - what type of fibreglass to use - quanties to buy, suppliers, etc.

Also I see remarks in this thread about coating the inside of the hull - what should be used for this please.

Thank you and apologies for such basic questions !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 10, 2008, 07:43:38 PM
Hi Tim,

Welcome the House of Mayhem!

Many people haven't  fibre-glassing their hulls and in my case the plywood was so strong, it didn't need any extra protection at all !
Fibre-glassing is usually don't for strength and water proofing, I water proofed my Springer with about 20 coats of paint..... only to find I had used a crap proshaft and it leaked like a disgrunted council worker!

If you are going to fibre-glass the hull, use  fibre-glass tissue like the RC aircraft boys do. You can use epoxy or polyester resin the later being cheaper. Epoxy finishing resin available form RC aeroplane model shops and specialist suppliers and polyester from most car spare part shops.

But I'm sure Arrow 5 will put me right... after all, he IS Mr. Springer!  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 10, 2008, 07:53:35 PM
Hi Tim

I have made three springers and have not glassed any of them, I just use sanding sealer on the bare timber and then like Martin plenty of paint. One thing I would advise is put some water cooling in for the motor, at Warwick last year I fried one 540 motor and cooked a second that too had to be scrapped, all springers water cooled now. I am sure it is something to do with either the shape or the prop size that gets the motors so hot.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 11, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
"MR SPRINGER !!!! oh geezz, it wisnay me Mister :o Well glassing isn't really required and is a bit of a bind if you are doing it for the first time. Paint with standard household oil based paint is fine , a couple of undercoats and a couple of gloss or sem-matt will protect the wood. Detail painting with Humbrol enamel.  I do like to coat the inside with epoxy resin such as SP113, (Ripmax distribute it) and is used for model aircraft finishing. It is a good idea to then paint the inside with matt Humbrol to show if any water has got in, the high gloss of the epoxy makes it difficult to see any leakage until it is sloshing about. If you do go the glass route avoid polyester resin, it can be a health hazard and will not endear you to SWMBO by stinking the house out. Do NOT use tissue, it must be woven fibreglass cloth. Use very little resin scraped on with an old credit card so that the grain of the cloth is still visible but thoroughly  wetted, the glass-cloth will disappear. Wait 24hrs and lightly sand with fine grade wet and dry used wet. Dry and apply further coat of resin. (If tinting the resin follow instructions exactly or trouble will ensue.) Repeat as necessary till you have the shine you want.  I agree with Ching regarding water cooling, use a coil, plenty on ebay from reliable suppliers.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 11, 2008, 09:05:43 PM
What about barges for the mayhem Weekend ?  The tug guys should have plenty. I`ve come up with a suitable "barge" for the Sprub.  Simple plank with half of a plastic tube traffic bollard, add conning tower and thats it.   Might try dive planes to see if i can get it to submerge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 12, 2008, 05:56:11 PM

I do like that Arrow5. Very inventive. Looks just the part  O0

Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Roger in France on April 12, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
Hey, that's one of Martin Mayhems little men swimming alongside...they get everywhere!

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 12, 2008, 08:45:13 PM
Is this the guy Roger ? Clockwork power, whose going to electrify one?  Then R/C soon ?   See him swim on www.putfile.com/arrow5.  Thanks Kenny. 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on April 13, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
    ...Hi Guys...

If we are coming down to the Mayhem Weekend ,We could bring a selection of Barges with us...

We have a fair selection of different sizes & wieghts of Barges at our club...

Let me know if you need them...

...All The Best From Bonnie Scotland...Norry & Wee Johnny...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 15, 2008, 07:18:24 PM
My motors were getting so hot there was smoke in the hull when the top came off, needless to say one motor has been changed, she'd only been in the water a couple of times, both motors are now cooled when I put her in next after replacing a broken K nozzle.

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 15, 2008, 07:48:31 PM
Andy

I know the feeling, I fried one motor and damaged another at Warwick last year letting the little darlings have a go. No Mustang Mark thought it was great fun,all my springers are now water cooled.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 17, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
There is so little room in mine now I couldn't fit anything else in the hull if I wanted too, and when I bought the pump I didn't realise it was as big, well for the space in the Spring it's huge. I'm going to put her back in a week this coming Sunday, and possibly the Sunday after I might go to Llanberis if they'll have me.  {-) {-)

Andy. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 17, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
you are more than welcome



Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 18, 2008, 12:40:46 PM
I hope to see you soon another couple would also like to join me so more the merrier. ;)

Andy. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on April 24, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
There is so little room in mine now I couldn't fit anything else in the hull if I wanted too, and when I bought the pump I didn't realise it was as big, well for the space in the Spring it's huge. I'm going to put her back in a week this coming Sunday, and possibly the Sunday after I might go to Llanberis if they'll have me.  {-) {-)

Andy. ;D ;)

Hi Andy,

why do you need a pump? I have run a forced water pick up pipe from behind the prop., when going forwards there is enough water to cool the motor. Going astern there is zero, but enough water in the pipes to keep things cool enough for you. This must be my IC powered boat background.

My 540 motor is drawing only 1.6 amps on 6 volts at full load in the bath, but I am running 2:1 reduction and a 70mm two blade prop. It does not actually get that hot, but having seen many people on here saying they haev fried motors I put a coil of copper pipe round the motor anyway. The motor also has a fan in it.

So far so good, the Springer is a recovery boat for us to use at the lake when the power boats break down. This is all Martins fault as he said "why not build a springer?" in response to my wanted ad for a little cheap electric model.

Thanks to Norry for the GRP hull.

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 25, 2008, 07:32:25 AM

By the way.... I have a couple of sets of 6v 4Ah batteries for Springers up for grabs at Wicksteed if your coming - courtesy of John at Model Power!


(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/adverts2008/ModelPower_2008a.gif)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 25, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
Glenn: I mentioned in the shop that I'd get enough water in without the pump but I was told no as she wouldn't be fast enough, with two 500's believe me she shifts.  :)

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on April 26, 2008, 01:37:35 AM
Hi Andy,

I bet it does. Plenty of water going through mine so far, only run some bath tests and a brief half hour round the lake - but all OK so far. Serious use and abuse to follow no doubt. I reckon with recovery and kids playing around that this little boat is going to get about 4 - 5 hours running every weekend. I hope it does, that is what I built it for. Well, not too much recovery hopefully - but use none the less.

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on April 26, 2008, 02:06:17 PM
Just had new Korts delivered from Westbourne models, excellent service phoned on the Thursday here this morning, So I might try and get her in again tomorrow.

Andy. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 09, 2008, 06:27:50 PM
Calm water and heatwave meant down to the Loch , something new a barge with camera fitted. See result on www.putfile.com/arrow5
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 09, 2008, 09:09:52 PM
Superb vid Arrow, Red October is looking good.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 09, 2008, 10:19:34 PM
Superb vid Arrow, Red October is looking good.

WHAT?

'Red October'... How did that happen?

It cant be the real RO..  :P (Red Oktober)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 09, 2008, 10:38:44 PM

I've started on my top secret springer number TWO.  What will it be.

Hope to have her ready for the Mayhem Bash. ? ? ? ?

Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 10, 2008, 08:23:36 AM
Superb vid Arrow, Red October is looking good.

Brian
  Shoorly shum mishtake Ching, thats no Rid Oktwhititsname.  :o That is the totally homegrown "Sprub" , a submersible towboat for clandestine recovery of dissabled submarines without sufacing.   The pressure hull was constructed on Red Clydeside at the top secret Norry Werft Ltd. Remote sensing was carried out by Cecil B. DeArrow.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 10, 2008, 10:07:32 AM
OK
Hands up this just goes to show that I should not post on this forum while under the influence of alcohol.
Sorry Toes and sorry Arrow5 now the eyes have cleared it is obvious which craft it is, must take more water with it, must take more water with it O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: djrobbo on May 10, 2008, 12:23:04 PM
Hi arrow...........mark 2 springer...............h.m.s.springclean , my anti submarine sprigate is nearly ready , just got to fit the workings inside and then get its bum wet O0

        I will try  " again " and see if i can get some pictures on later.


              regards...bob.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 10, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
...waitng for a glimpse of the miniature broom tied to the masthead Robbo ::)  Ching, try and stick to Speyside products next time :police:  Talking about the Spey (one of the fastest flowing rivers in the country) I thought I`d have another calm day on Loch Alvie again but to my surprise it was very rough so maybe a pint at the Loch Insh boathouse would be nice instead. Crossing the river at Kincraig I was amazed to see the RIVER was like a mill-pond ! Pics later. What is happening with the weather and it`s effects on nature?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 10, 2008, 04:28:14 PM
Told you the river was calm ! I`ll be putting some video from the bridge on www.putfile.com/arrow5 later . Check the wave patterns when seen from above.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on May 10, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
Arrow,

What video gear do you use, its good stuff.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 10, 2008, 05:07:11 PM
Told you the river was calm !

Hey, that water has a slope on it!.. does that mean you can waterski on it.. without the boat?...  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 10, 2008, 08:33:03 PM
Hi Toes, yep it slopes all the way down to the North Sea :P  Cameras are Nikon 7900 and Fuji E900 compacts, stills are great but video not so great.  Check the vertical clip I`ve added to Putfile.  Notice the cross-bar, like the bar on an A, forming in the V of the wake. I`ve never noticed that from shore level.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 19, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Found this on YouTube.... who is gonna be the first one to implement on their Springer!  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhtB5fRDSV4&feature=related
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 28, 2008, 04:53:14 PM

An early contender for Springer of the year!

In reference to Red Oktober's launch..

He will have to bring it across the pond to receive the award!  {-)

In reference to Martin's comments..


I think this qualifies for the award...  :P
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Toesup boat Werks is pleased to announce the Red Oktober world tour.
Over last weekend, Red Oktober appeared at the Richmond MBC open day in sunny Glasgow.
Pictures courtesy of Norry... and NO, they are not Photoshop'd..

I think this may be a first for Springers, the first one to cross the Atlantic.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on May 28, 2008, 05:21:55 PM
...Hi Ralph...

It certainly was Sunny Glasgow on Sunday & by the end of the day it wasn,t just OKTOBER that was RED...We all got Sunburnt...

Next stop is Largs M.B.C. Open Day This Sunday...This venue is right on the banks of the Clyde, So I might just get a picture of "RED OKTOBER" with a Brittish Submarine passing by in the background...

Ellesmere Port, Birchwood, The Wirral, Balne Moor, Blackpool are all on the list of shows that we will be visiting this season so plenty of photo opperchancities to be had...

What do you think of Wee Johnnies DAMEN Springer then....

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 28, 2008, 06:02:12 PM
Ach zo mien freu......sorry ???,   As so my friend, methinks the man in the reindeer coat might just be interested in a close look at zis foreign object. I trust it is under ze lock and key at all times ? Time to release the photo-pidgeon. Regards from the SUNNY NORTH {-) {-) {-) {-) ;D  Oh aye , Wee Johnny`s tug is jist fine.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: The long Build on May 28, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
Interesting angle shot of the Johnny springer, makes the guy in the background look like he is standing in the Bridge area.

Which day do you think you will be at Birchwood ?.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on May 28, 2008, 10:19:51 PM
...Hi The Long Build...

If our Mad Squad do the same as Last Year it will be Ellesmere Port on the Sunday Morning & Birchwood on the Sunday Afternoon...

Six of us travelled down last year in my Ford Galaxy & it was a laugh a minute or mile whatever was quickest...We had an absolutely brilliant day filled with fun & we bought a tug for one of our new Tug-Towing Skippers at Birchwood...

I might do a full day at both venues this year...

I will certainly let everyone know of ours & "RED OKTOBER,S" plans...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on May 29, 2008, 07:56:42 PM
Evening all - been a while since I have been here. Quick Springer question to some of you more experienced Springer operatives.

I built one to use as a recovery boat for when the engines stop on the main money pits. Martin is to blame for that!!

So I built one. All fitted out and working OK, it seems to have a bit of an issue with shipping water over the decks when under way, is this normal or is mine shy of freeboard? It is ballasted so there is about an inch of freeboard. If I go really slow it is not too bad.

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on May 29, 2008, 08:02:28 PM
Nothing to worry about there Glenn, perfectly normal springer behavior.........as long as no wet stuff is getting inside. O0 O0

Mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on May 29, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
Glenn
If you do not get water 25mm deep on your deck at full speed, it ain't a springer. Seriously Mark is right that is normal for a springer, you can help it a little bit by moving the batteries towards the stern, but they are known for this. That is why you should build them with a large coaming inside the superstructure, mine have a 25mm coaming. Saying that at Wicksteed I managed to get two wet inside, one by leaving the water cooling pipe off after fitting the batteries, and another got swamped by the bad weather. >:( >:(

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 30, 2008, 12:03:45 AM
"Martin is to blame for that!!" Yes I am Spartacus!

Most Springers I've seen ship gallons of water over the front deck, some fit a raised bow, some shift the c of g backwards but all have high combings!... Ching devils Springer runs with it's bows permanently under water!

After it's first outing, I fitted a 1" coming to keep the water out.
Mine Springer still ships water like a reversed bilge pump but that's due to a bad prop shaft..... dodgy rudder.... bad build!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: glennb2006 on June 01, 2008, 02:48:26 AM
Thanks all, seems like mine is trimmed to perfection then!

Now, to fit a deck coaming.

Glenn
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on June 01, 2008, 08:53:31 AM
Only 20 days to Bridlington's big Springer Weekend!............. O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Younger at 70 on June 01, 2008, 11:08:08 AM
Yep got the tent all dried out after Wicksteed , Tattershall tea drinkers will be there all being well  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: bbdave on June 01, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
Milk no sugar please Gandalf  O0

Springer building at this very moment :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 01, 2008, 11:17:35 PM
...Hi Guys...

"RED OKTOBER" continued her World Tour of Scottish Model Boat Clubs by attending the Fun Day at Largs M.B.C. on the shores of the Firth of Clyde...

Picture 1...Here she is seen being introduced to the Committee...

Picture 2...The Town of Largs in the background, The Ore Cranes at Hunterston can be seen also as well as the Entrance to the Largs Channel into the Clyde...

...All The Best...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 02, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
...Hi Guys...

"RED OKTOBER" continued her World Tour of Scottish Model Boat Clubs by attending the Fun Day at Largs M.B.C. on the shores of the Firth of Clyde...


It seems that the assembled crowd of Springer Captains on this forum are so 'gob smacked' that we managed to get a Springer accross the Atlantic, that they have all been rendered SPEECHLESS...  {-) O0 ;D

Nice one Norry!  {-)

PS Martin, do you need my addy to send my 'prize'?  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on June 02, 2008, 11:02:33 PM
well, I have to say that my awe has been well and truly struck!  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on June 03, 2008, 08:05:23 AM
Well Norry, if you are still around you are more than welcome at Bridlington on 20/21st June for our Springer  event.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 15, 2008, 10:08:59 PM
   ...Hi Guys...

"RED OKTOBER" finally took to the water this afternoon at Glasgow Richmond Pond under the command of Wee Johhny...

Here are a couple of pictures...I Hope You Like Them Ralph...

Thats her ready for the Scottish Tug-In next Sunday...Then its down to The Wirral on 6th July for her first visit to Englandshire...

...All The Best...Norry & Wee Johnny...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 16, 2008, 12:11:44 AM
   ...Hi Guys...

"RED OKTOBER" finally took to the water this afternoon at Glasgow Richmond Pond under the command of Wee Johhny...

...All The Best...Norry & Wee Johnny...

Thats EXCELLENT Norry... and Wee Johnny   :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 22, 2008, 10:28:34 PM
My but that wee black thing would look nice on a green Highland loch ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on June 23, 2008, 10:33:23 PM
Well, we had our springer weekend and the Club 500's as well. We all did very well (as young Mr Grace would say) worked hard to make it an enjoyable weekend and we were not disappointed. It would  have been nice to see a few more springers there but this was just a first attempt at staging the event. Andy McCue from Scoonie Hobbies was there and so was the Ship Finder General (Tony Coupe) who both enjoyed the fun and the trading. If you want to have a look at some pics then try this link................http://www.fastelectricsrfun.co.uk/scalescene/photos/event.news/springer.500event08/2dayevent08.htm

Cheers and roll on next year.
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on June 27, 2008, 10:31:48 PM
What i want to know Norry is will Red Oktober be visiting the Mayhemers Weekend in Wales during her WORLD TOUR


Stavros
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 28, 2008, 06:14:00 AM
Toesup Boat Werks evening update...

Um...

Um...

Ummmmm...

WW hit the domestic test tank facility... with upgraded (a pair of Graupner Speed 700BB's) motors..

I think the pics speak for themselves..  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 28, 2008, 11:14:27 PM
     ...Hi Guys...

Stavros...We have been thinking of coming down for the Mayhemmers Weekend in Wales...Fuel costs are a bit of a concern at present...However West Kirby is still planned for next weekend...
Thats if we can fit it into a very busy schedule..."RED OKTOBER" attended the Glasgow South Ship Modellers Society Sail Fest this afternoon...(pictures to follow)

Tomorrow "RED OKTOBER" is off to visit Rosyth Naval Dockyard on the Firth of Forth as part of Glasgow South S.M.S.,s exhibition for the Royal Navy...( more pictures to follow)...Maybe R.O. will get to meet a real submarine...

Ralph...what happens if The Royal Navy arrest R.O. as an imposter and dont let her out again...He. He. He.  I hope you are impressed Ralphy Boy...

...All The Best From Bonnie Scotland...Norry & Wee Johnny...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 28, 2008, 11:29:44 PM
     ...Hi Guys...

Tomorrow "RED OKTOBER" is off to visit Rosyth Naval Dockyard on the Firth of Forth as part of Glasgow South S.M.S.,s exhibition for the Royal Navy...( more pictures to follow)...Maybe R.O. will get to meet a real submarine...

Ralph...what happens if The Royal Navy arrest R.O. as an imposter and dont let her out again...He. He. He.

...All The Best From Bonnie Scotland...Norry & Wee Johnny...

See if you can get a real sub Captain to sign RO Norry!...  O0

If they arrest you with RO under your arm, just tell them a Ex Brit in the USA built it and sent it to you in Scotland...  {-) That makes it believable..

I wonder if this is a first, a Russian Sub in a British sub base...  ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 29, 2008, 10:47:32 AM
Ah Rosyth,  the Scottish Murmansk, all the subs there are decommissioned awaiting disposal sometime in the next 5000 years.   My LHS when I need paint for RO5 ;)  5 gallon drums not Humbrol tinlets.  Hope Norry gets a shot of Red under the Forth Rail Bridge that icon of British Victorian engineering. No longer painted continously due to recent high tech coating process that is supposed to last 20years, we`ll see !  I think Faslane Base is better bet for active sub skippers. Last time I was there had pint with the real live Commander James Bond, RN. Which explains why the landlord said "here comes 007"when he saw him coming in the door. Maybe it was a tale for the "towerist", me  >:(!  I must look up the Naval Personnel List someday :-\  First Russian sub in a UK naval base ?  Well the one on the Thames may well have been to Chatham Naval Dockyard at some time but it was the Soviet fishing fleet that was the problem. The factory ships in Loch Broom at Ullapool and their dozens of "Klondykers" played a lot of games with the Polaris subs from USS Hunley based on the .....wait for it, the Holy Loch, during the cold war.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 29, 2008, 09:07:36 PM
     ...Hi Guys...

Here is a piccy of Wee Johnny sailing "RED OKTOBER" around Glasgow South Ship Modelling Society,s Pond at Queens Park in Glasgow...

Their Sailfest was taking place at the time as part of the Southside Festival in Glasgow...

As you can see from his attire we travelled over to the South Side straight after Johnny,s Saturday Morning Football Match...

...Best Regards...Norry & Wee Johnny...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 30, 2008, 05:06:12 AM
Excellent Norry... and a superb piece of Cataining Wee Johnny!..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 30, 2008, 10:01:25 AM
I've had a few ideas for Springers...

A lifeboat Springer.
A crane / recovery barge Springer
A fishing trawler Springer
An aircraft carrier Springer.....

..... I got to drink less on the weekends!  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 30, 2008, 11:15:23 AM
What period aircraft carrier Martin ? O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 30, 2008, 11:38:25 AM
Ah! A another new Springer!  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on June 30, 2008, 11:57:27 AM
Yes Martin................I saw a pic of a battered old springer on Mayhem many moons ago and was so impressed I just had to copy it and build my own. They do say that copying is the sincerest form of flattery though.
Cheers,
Ian.
(Hope I have done this photo uploading thing right)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 30, 2008, 12:18:18 PM
VERRRY NICE O0, loads of character there. Getting back to the origins of real working working river craft. I like it. 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 30, 2008, 12:19:29 PM
And just what are you expecting to be pushing around with those things on the from Ian?!?!?  :o

Martin  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 30, 2008, 01:03:59 PM
Nice Job Ian, I like it, and with those tree trunks on the front, Springer football will be a doddle !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on June 30, 2008, 10:00:45 PM
Quote
And just what are you expecting to be pushing around with those things on the from Ian?!?!? 
I guess pretty much anything that gets in my way Martin............. O0!

Thanks for the +ve comments guys. As a matter of interest it's planked with English Oak from a friend's joiner's shop and the 'tree trunks' are oak too. Well, the wood was lying around and he didn't want those little bits so I thought...........why not use 'em?

Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on July 01, 2008, 04:10:31 PM
Looks good!
Where did you find the two figures?
That would certainly give a good push to a ball as well!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on July 01, 2008, 10:46:54 PM
Hi Mike.
The figures are G scale railway trackside workers. There are quite a lot of figures and stuff you can use with a little imagination in G scale. I think they are about 1:22.5 scale which is near enough to the 1:24 that I was aiming for. I found them here http://www.gaugemaster.co.uk/index.html
service was good too but the figures are a little pricey. Having said that, they are the best I've seen to date.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 02, 2008, 10:10:56 PM
             ...Hi Guys...

Here is Wee Johnny,s DAMEN Springer "TIBER" (named after my home village football team) undergoing pond trials after having a 12 volt Marx Decaperm Motor fitted...
A tad deep in the Stern but i should be able to shift the batteries forward a wee bit to rectify this...

A wee Bit of Football Training took place also...


...Best Regards...Wee Johnny & Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on July 07, 2008, 10:24:09 PM

Tomorrow "RED OKTOBER" is off to visit Rosyth Naval Dockyard on the Firth of Forth as part of Glasgow South S.M.S.,s exhibition for the Royal Navy...( more pictures to follow)...Maybe R.O. will get to meet a real submarine...

Ralph...what happens if The Royal Navy arrest R.O. as an imposter and dont let her out again...He. He. He.  I hope you are impressed Ralphy Boy...


Did you get arrested Norry?  ;D ... is that why there are no pics?...  :-\
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on July 08, 2008, 12:17:35 AM
    No, No, No, Not At all, Not At All,

"RED OKTOBER" was at Rosyth Naval Base as a guest of The Glasgow South Model Ship Society...

I was at Glasgow Richmond M.B.C. at a meeting...The invite did include me & Wee Johnny but i had a Committee Meeting to attend...

There are some pictures on their Website of the event including one of "R.O." on display amongst the Warships...

I am helping the guys out at The 2nd Annual National Glagow Warship Day  on Saturday & Sunday so I will probably get the pictures then..."" R.O." is also being displayed & sailed at this event...

I will post some pictures of this event later...

I will P.M. you, Ralph with details of other planned visits to events...

...All The Best...Norry & wee Johnny...

P.S. Here is a picture taken from G.S.S.M.S. Website Event Report...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: biggles1 on July 14, 2008, 09:12:12 PM
Has anyone noticed that Walkers Crisps have have got the Springer bug in the latest T,V, advert. DAVE
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on July 16, 2008, 07:25:20 PM
Please enlighten us biggles i have not seen the new ad yet
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 23, 2008, 01:11:38 PM


..... Has anyone got the time .... and inclination to knock me up a Springer hull or two..... Please ?!?!   :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 23, 2008, 03:51:45 PM
Contact Norry, he`ll do you a couple of fibreglass ones.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on July 23, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
Wouldn't mind a couple of fibre glass ones myself---hint hint norry
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 23, 2008, 05:39:00 PM
Last I heard Norry had computer troubles. Are you there Norry ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on July 23, 2008, 10:13:55 PM
Know that one, just had to bin one of my laptops, some virus zapped my bi-os
Ohh >:(hh painful
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 23, 2008, 10:16:17 PM
PM you Phil....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: a3nige on July 23, 2008, 10:27:17 PM
Just ordered a hull off Norry, he said he would like to make more (money goes to his boat club)

Martin I will PM you his phone number and you can see what he is up to.

Nige
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on July 27, 2008, 12:47:14 PM
todays playtime...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on July 29, 2008, 01:59:58 AM
Where did the plans and specs for the springers go? A bloke at our club wanted the plans but couldnt find them on here.

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 29, 2008, 06:59:46 AM

Here and here!  O0

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10759.msg100987#msg100987 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10759.msg100987#msg100987)

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg49453;topicseen#msg49453 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg49453;topicseen#msg49453)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on July 29, 2008, 07:39:52 AM
Thanks Martin, but there is no reference to the prop size? Mind you, I have just come in from nightshift so I may not be seeing it!

Ian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 29, 2008, 08:17:48 AM

I think we said up to 40mm... I don't think a 540/550/Speed 600 motor will turn anything more than that!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on July 29, 2008, 04:57:13 PM
Oops Diger springer has a 75mm prop  :embarrassed:
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 29, 2008, 10:12:59 PM
Oops Diger springer has a 75mm prop  :embarrassed:
daz
...and a very hot running motor I suspect :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on July 30, 2008, 12:31:04 AM
A johnson on  reduction gears , not sure on the ratio , its one of those robbie type black plastic case with white plastic gears ,little one on the motor.
 found it UNIVERSAL mini gearbox 2:1  from Graupner.
https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AA?wgr=881
should be ok  8) .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 30, 2008, 01:47:26 AM
Whew, thought it was direct drive :embarrassed:
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: catengineman on August 01, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
Hi, I know what you mean about the hairs  {-)

I only did a little with steam and the then Chief instructing me said "you don't want to touch this!" as HE put his hand on it and removed most of the skin... I used to hate purging the winches and getting him complain I had dumped too much ? then not enough ? but when we went ashore and fired up his plough horses and traction engine I loved every minute Oh apart from setting the plough wires up  {-) and carrying the coal yes black smelly slime covered real coal
Eggs bacon sausages done on the shovel were the best and tea Mmmmmmm
Norman said "the kettles on all the time lad so never ask just make the tea"

Just sat through some emotions here happy memories of those times and sadness to know that Norman and his steamers are all gone. No children no will now nothing left.

R,  Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: amdaylight on August 09, 2008, 06:02:09 AM
I want to thank the original poster of this thread O0, I had the very same question but was to chicken to ask it . Now that I know what one is and know that there is at least some one else in the PDX (Portland Oregon) area that has one and she launches with authority and distance!! I think that I will build one! :D Now how do figure out if a paddle wheel is OK?

Andre
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
It will have to be a sternwheeler Andre. The water follows (almost) the hull bottom when at speed(?) leaving your side wheels high and dry. Thinking about it I suppose that will be a self governing speed limiter.
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: toesupwa on August 09, 2008, 02:13:24 PM
Now that I know what one is and know that there is at least some one else in the PDX (Portland Oregon) area that has one.....

There is more than one in the Portland / Vancouver area...  ;)
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: amdaylight on August 09, 2008, 08:35:55 PM

Quote
There is more than one in the Portland / Vancouver area...  ;)

Ah, that is good to know, the only reason was that I recognized the casting pond where the Springer was tossed for distance. :o,
Andre ;)
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: mogogear on August 11, 2008, 05:08:59 AM
I want to thank the original poster of this thread O0, I had the very same question but was to chicken to ask it . Now that I know what one is and know that there is at least some one else in the PDX (Portland Oregon) area that has one and she launches with authority and distance!! I think that I will build one! :D Now how do figure out if a paddle wheel is OK?

Andre

Hello Andre!! I am too "new to boating" and the desire to make a Springer and live in Portland also...

I was just at the Crawfish festival and got a chance to see some great Springers in action --Toesupwa and Umi and Captnlee( ?) were there !! Very fun to see 'toes "Mustrang Sally " and other boats in action!! what a treat!!! I am sure working on drawings for my first Springer...I am thinking of following Arrows' style and having one hull and a few tops to change as my mood changes.

 I am a live steam boater and need a rescue boat from time to time!! and a towel too
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: amdaylight on August 12, 2008, 06:02:42 AM
It is one thing to  be ignorant and keep everybody guessing, and another thing to open ones mouth and remove all doubt,  :embarrassed: so here it goes. What was the Crawfish Festival and when was it? I got a feeling I know where it was, Taulatin Commons.  Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year?  ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:. Oh well such is life.

Andre
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: toesupwa on August 12, 2008, 02:00:03 PM
Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year?  ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:.

Errrrrr.... yup..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=878288
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 12, 2008, 02:06:31 PM
More trophies for team Toes

The Toesup Boat Werks competed in the Crawfish Festival run at Portland, Oregon (USA) on Saturday.

Scoot did rather well.. 1st in Navigation and 1st in Salvage...  O0

Mrs Toes also received an award...  ::) with Templeton..
She (and I  O0 ) are rather proud...
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: Arrow5 on August 12, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Now that is what I call a fun event. Well done the organisers. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 12, 2008, 02:17:19 PM
Well done the Toes`es.  Perchance any video of Corrigan underway, direction optional ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on August 12, 2008, 06:53:52 PM
Forgive me Toes ,but when someone is a menace either to navigation or anything else  in english its not good.
 MENACE (noun)
  The noun MENACE has 2 senses:

1. something that is a source of danger
2. a threat or the act of threatening

MENACE (verb)
  The verb MENACE has 3 senses:

1. pose a threat to; present a danger to
2. express a threat either by an utterance or a gesture
3. act in a threatening manner

Or does it mean something other over the pond  :)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 12, 2008, 10:37:42 PM
Forgive me Toes ,but when someone is a menace either to navigation or anything else  in english its not good.
 MENACE (noun)
  The noun MENACE has 2 senses:

1. something that is a source of danger
2. a threat or the act of threatening


1/ She wasnt particularly good at the navigation course  :embarrassed:
2/ She is also a pirate re-enactor... ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 12, 2008, 10:41:00 PM
Perchance any video of Corrigan underway, direction optional ::)

Will see what can be arranged...
We have the Foss Cup this weekend in Seattle.... http://nwrcsm.freeyellow.com/FossCupA.pdf

By the way, Mr Toes himself was chastised for producing a wake in the harbour at the Crawfish event.... with a SPRINGER  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on August 12, 2008, 10:47:45 PM
Ahh just a bit confused with you both being proud af your achievements.
and some footage of the disturbance caused by your wake  O0
daz
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: mogogear on August 12, 2008, 11:42:08 PM
It is one thing to  be ignorant and keep everybody guessing, and another thing to open ones mouth and remove all doubt,  :embarrassed: so here it goes. What was the Crawfish Festival and when was it? I got a feeling I know where it was, Taulatin Commons.  Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year?  ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:. Oh well such is life.

Andre

I was disqualified from winning the deepest dive competition in the submarine division >:( But there is pretty regular floats posted on the www.pmpba.org websiet...some at the Commons and some at the Westmoreland Casting Pool ......There is a picture of my wet mug on the site just to show you what fun you missed :embarrassed: :D
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: amdaylight on August 13, 2008, 05:58:31 AM

I was disqualified from winning the deepest dive competition in the submarine division >:(

So why were you disqualified ?

Andre  :)
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: mogogear on August 13, 2008, 02:47:04 PM

I was disqualified from winning the deepest dive competition in the submarine division >:(

So why were you disqualified ?

Andre  :)

Not because I have a sub-- 'cause I don't - that is me on the home page of PMPBA with my wet head after I DOVE about 9 feet to the boat of the the Commons lake to recover my old Bowmn Snipe steam boat... that sank!! :embarrassed:

Joking about the disqualification!!! It was a great event.. my first.. lost of great boats and really friendly folk!! Idea's --idea's--idea's!!All free ! O0
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 13, 2008, 04:26:08 PM



Toesupwa, so that what you look like!!!  O0


(http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/6/1/4/7/5/a2005697-141-100_0425.jpg)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697)
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: toesupwa on August 13, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
Did I miss the one big model boating event in Portland this year?  ??? >>:- ??? >>:-( :embarrassed:.

Errrrrr.... yup..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=878288


So this is what you look like!!!  O0



Noooo... thats some idiot impersonating WW's captain..  ;)

Infamy, Infamy... they have all got it in for me
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: mogogear on August 14, 2008, 03:03:04 AM



Toesupwa, so that what you look like!!!  O0


(http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/6/1/4/7/5/a2005697-141-100_0425.jpg)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?s=5e75b0a0929f1a6efb6b82569b96a726&attachmentid=2005697)

You ought to gear him speak, he barely remembers the Queen's english :D
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: toesupwa on August 14, 2008, 06:44:27 AM



Toesupwa, so that what you look like!!!  O0



You ought to gear him speak, he barely remembers the Queen's english :D

Well, thats a load of bollo.... erm...  :o
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: amdaylight on August 14, 2008, 07:05:32 AM

[/quote]

Not because I have a sub-- 'cause I don't - that is me on the home page of PMPBA with my wet head after I DOVE about 9 feet to the boat of the the Commons lake to recover my old Bowman Snipe steam boat... that sank O0
[/quote]

Damm, I guess that Loch Ness is not the only lake with a monster, we now have better photos of ours ::) :D {-) , glad to see that you were able to recover the boat O0. Why did she sink in the first place?
 
Andre :) ;)
Title: Re: What's a Springer?
Post by: mogogear on August 15, 2008, 12:40:34 AM


Not because I have a sub-- 'cause I don't - that is me on the home page of PMPBA with my wet head after I DOVE about 9 feet to the boat of the the Commons lake to recover my old Bowman Snipe steam boat... that sank O0
[/quote]

Damm, I guess that Loch Ness is not the only lake with a monster, we now have better photos of ours ::) :D {-) , glad to see that you were able to recover the boat O0. Why did she sink in the first place?
 
Andre :) ;)
[/quote]


Davey Jones wanted a look at her {-) small -narrow- flat bottomed boats are not the most stable of creatures in chop and boat events!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Willit on August 15, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
hi Mogo!

Bessy  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogogear on August 17, 2008, 01:16:27 AM
Howdy Willit.......tractor :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 17, 2008, 03:06:52 AM
Breaking International News..

Team Toes takes 1st place with Scoot in the "small tug' section at the Foss Cup in Seattle, Wa, USA.. The PREMIER tug towing event on the West Coast of the USA.

 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mogogear on August 17, 2008, 04:13:21 AM
WOW- Ralph that is incredible...  O0 O0 Conragtulations ......

One Day Foss is something I will see live........to at least attend!! and watch.........maybe play...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 17, 2008, 08:28:47 AM
Well done Toes O0, any pictures of the event ? :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 17, 2008, 05:28:37 PM
Well done Toes O0, any pictures of the event ? :)

Just a 'flavour' of the event..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on August 17, 2008, 08:02:36 PM
Hello all, The VIKING Springer production in Shetland  has ground to a halt  :( too busy working to get into the garage for any length of time. I'll definitely get some on the water for next season, hmm I remember saying something like that this time last year to someone at Greenock.  O0

Toes any more photos of the Foss  cup that you'd  like to share with us ? If you do you may also like to share them over on the www.modeltugforum.com forum too  ;)

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on August 20, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
Holyhead based Springer due to be stripped of usable parts interesting to build and initially fun to sail, giving up on it due to price of regularly needed parts. :'(

Andy.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 21, 2008, 12:49:06 AM
...due to price of regularly needed parts. :'(


The only parts I've added to ALL of my Springers since i built them is ... grease... in the propshaft about every dozen runs or so.

What parts are you 'wearing out' Mr Andy?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on August 21, 2008, 12:42:49 PM
The only thing I have had to add is paint, after a meeting with chingdevil and his turbo springer at wicksteed !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on August 21, 2008, 04:30:47 PM
I have started a thread on this before but Robe Korts. I find them rubbish and ever so weak, then there is so much heat in the hull with two motors things just don't work properly, I'd like to build something similar but with a pointy front this time. but I'm unsure as to how I will do it. :-\ :-\

Andy :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 21, 2008, 04:52:13 PM

Andy If you are going to strip your Springer down and build something else, why not just
convert your Spring to the conventional layout and it will serve you for years... even in the heat of
battle, sorry, football!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 21, 2008, 05:03:32 PM
Yeah ...plenty of pointy ends about. Dump the Korts and  stay in the club O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on August 21, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
I fancy building something else, however I might do as you suggest and convert Spring to single screw and yes dump the korts as they have been nothing but trouble.

Andy. :)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on August 21, 2008, 10:25:41 PM
Just took two Kort's out of an Al Khubar 3 and fitted shafts & steering nozzles.
funny the Kort's were said to be having problems as well???

Oh well not my tug so I hope the owner is going to be VERY HAPPY when he gets it back

R,
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 03, 2008, 04:07:39 AM
While i was waiting for some varnish to dry on another project, i have Started on the next two Springer versions from the TBW.

This is the beginings of the 'O' and 'J' types from the TBW's.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on September 03, 2008, 02:09:27 PM
Looks like you have fine-tuned the plans and have these cut so as to strengthen the box - are you able to post photos of the next steps? I'm hoping to start two hulls - planning on a Robbe 600 with gearbox drives in each. Your thoughts on those?
Regards,
Mike (Victoria BC)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 03, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
Looks like you have fine-tuned the plans and have these cut so as to strengthen the box - are you able to post photos of the next steps?
....planning on a Robbe 600 with gearbox drives. Your thoughts on those?


Yes Mike, as i only use 1/4" ply for the sides and 1/16" for the bottom, the insides needs strengthening, escecially the bottom (inside keels), the towing bitts and the knees. The Springers i build dont get treated with 'kid gloves' out on the pond..  :o
I will be showing the next stages too... as i think the propultion systems will be 'firsts' for Springers..  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 03, 2008, 04:51:28 PM
I think the propultion systems will be 'firsts' for Springers..  O0

Is it an 'Estes Rocket' springer???

 {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 03, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
I think the propultion systems will be 'firsts' for Springers..  O0

Is it an 'Estes Rocket' springer???


Well...  ::)

Sort of.. something like that... ish... possibly...  :-X
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 03, 2008, 06:20:03 PM
How about a Zenoah springer  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on September 03, 2008, 09:14:31 PM
Ooh Ooh a estes rocket springer,Ooh a zenoah springer  ??? you guys have lost me .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on September 03, 2008, 10:48:35 PM
Estes Rockets are a brand of rockets that use small solid rocket motors, usually good to about 1500 feet which means they are lost due to the fact that after about 400 feet you can't see them they are so small (12" to 30"). This springer would go very fast but not for very long.  ::)  Zenoah is a brand of small two stroke weed eater small chain saw type ignition type motors that were originally used in large scale RC aircraft. They have been completely redesigned from the weed eater motor but that is where their roots were. This Springer would be completely over powered and may flip over form all of the power. :D

I hope this helps.

Andre
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 03, 2008, 11:01:10 PM
A Zenoah springer would last about 2 seconds from stratup, if it even lasted startup.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on September 04, 2008, 01:19:54 AM
Why would anyone build a Zenoah springer or a Estes Rocket springer?


=   because they could {-)
whether they work or not its fun fun fun (expensive but fun I think)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 04, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
My guess is that we will see it squirting along on uTUBE soon ::) and it will be called Hamilton {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on September 04, 2008, 12:45:46 PM
   ...Hi Duncan...

How many Springers are you expecting at your Highland Splash -In next Weekend...

I am planning on bringing up 4 maybe 5...

We are l;ooking Forward to a Nice Day Out In the Highlands...

...Best Regareds...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 04, 2008, 02:20:49 PM
Hi Norry and all Springerites,  Well sad to say the local model flying club is totaly disinterested so I`ve more or less given up on pushing it.  HOWEVER I think we should have a 2 day Hielan` Fling in any case. The water is ours to do what we like , with a choice of most of the mile long loch and a nice sheltered little lagoon for harbour operations.  I wanted a Springer only do so as not to intrude into the established Federation or other mainstream model boat events. The seaplane event is 25 years old next year so maybe if we treat this event as a recce for a proper event next year with full boat participation. Please do come and let anybody with a spare weekend know that they will be welcome. We can muster about 6 or 7 Springers for a bash-aboot. A Thames barge and a lightship for towing. Anybody else got ideas or want to come to sail and/or discuss potential of a popular  easy accesable area of the Highlands will be welcome too.  Camping,hostels, B&Bs, hotels all grades galore. Bar and restuarant on site.  Might turn into a Scottish Llanberis  ::)     Local by-law ; no dogs on beach , sorry.   Loch Insh Highland Splash-in, Sept 13-14 , 2008. (not this weekend Norry but the following one ) for the ladies check www.lochinsh.com
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 06, 2008, 07:54:33 PM

Springer tugs at Deans Marine:

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12066.msg120251#msg120251 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12066.msg120251#msg120251)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on September 06, 2008, 09:59:37 PM
Started work on the 2 GRP hulls I got from Norry (thought Stavros might try and pinch one !) secret design soon to be revealed as I progress a little further (building one for Mrs Steamboat so allowed more time in workshop) :angel:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on September 14, 2008, 12:34:40 PM
Here is my latest build , not finished yet (details, details) but the daughter is happy with it.
Have changed the ESC to a Himark blue and removed the extra connectors that adapted the borrowed one in the hull. Motor is a direct drive designed for 11000 rpm at 12v so around 5500 rpm at 6v. Ive found that to be perfect for the 40 mm Raboesch props
Regards
Nick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 14, 2008, 12:50:08 PM

Another excellent fun boat, just what the Springer tugs are all about.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 14, 2008, 08:27:54 PM

That's very original, Nick. Great. O0

ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 22, 2008, 11:22:25 AM
Did any Springers get to Loch Insh?... or didnt 'it' happen?...

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on September 22, 2008, 12:55:32 PM
  ...Hi Toesupwa...

It didn,t happen...

We were planning on going up to see Duncan anyway but that fell through due to Wee Harry,s health at the time...

We are still,planning a wee trip up to that area later in the year...Duncan wants to get some pictures of "RED OKTOBER" with his own Springers....

....Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 22, 2008, 01:16:39 PM

That's very original, Nick. Great. O0
ken

I wonder who is going to be the first to build an Italian "Rivera" type Springer?



(http://www.nauticalavazza.com/news/aquarama6.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 22, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
Well volunteered....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 22, 2008, 06:28:03 PM
My next Springer is going to a Dr Who Springer....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 23, 2008, 02:07:21 AM
And so the Toesup Boat Werks (Large Volume Springer Division) starts construction..

May i present the 'J' and 'O' type Springers...  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on September 23, 2008, 03:13:54 AM
Look out he's put a torpedo tube in one of them  :o :D ::) either that or he's trying for the moon. I knew it, I said it before a rocket powered springer

Andre {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 23, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
Jet or Maglev drive?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 23, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
I knew it  I knew it ! Kiwi water-jet  >:(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 23, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
Jet or Maglev drive?

Possibly 'jet' Martin.  ::)

There was a guy experimenting with a motor over on RCG with the prop in an enclosed tube...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817889&highlight=36v

Seems to me, it will 'suck' in the bow wave and also 'ram' it in through the front of the pipe as the hull moves forwards. Also, by reducing the exit of the pipe, there should be a 'jet engine' effect... in theory.. possibly.. maybe...  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 26, 2008, 09:13:08 AM
I've made up the main Bitt's.. and sewn / epoxied them to the bulkheads.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on September 26, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
Oh I just can't wait to see these zapping across the lake, that's thinking outside the box (or in this case the springer)
 O0 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on September 26, 2008, 04:45:12 PM

This is the beginings of the 'O' and 'J' types from the TBW's.  O0

An "O.J. Springer"   :o

Will it have a big police escort   :police:  :police:

The tube is to fire out lawyers, right?

Danny
 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 28, 2008, 04:12:00 AM
The 'O' (Outboard) Type
Its had its bottom added and i have begun to fabricate the 'outboard' steering system..

The 'J' (Jet) Type
Its also had its bottom added and after much cutting and carving, the jet pipe has been inserted through the hull...  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on September 28, 2008, 06:16:44 AM
Hey toes.

Is the rudder for the jet drive going to be in the pipe?

Andre
Over here in Portland
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on September 28, 2008, 06:39:39 AM
Hey toes.

Is the rudder for the jet drive going to be in the pipe?

Andre
Over here in Portland

No Andre..

The 'rudder' will be a kort fitted over the end of the jet pipe.

Toes
Just over the Columbia River in Vancouver
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 01, 2008, 11:07:27 PM

Is the rudder for the jet drive going to be in the pipe?


The 'rudder' will be a kort fitted over the end of the jet pipe.


Like this..  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 02, 2008, 04:48:36 AM
Once again, lovely workmanship!   O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs........Mini-springer?
Post by: Bridkid on October 02, 2008, 02:24:33 PM
Hi Guys.
Thought you might appreciate these pics of Arthur Pickering's new 'Mini-Springer'. It packs quite a punch even for a little 'un as you will see.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 02, 2008, 04:39:33 PM
Ahh look the pusher has had a baby  :) and is that its daddy in the last pic ,sweet :)
What a lovely little sprig  any more pics and dimentions.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on October 02, 2008, 04:51:37 PM
I will see Arthur this weekend so will ask him for details...........size, motor, batteries etc. might see if I can get some closeup photos too.
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 04, 2008, 02:14:54 AM
Once again, lovely workmanship!   O0

.. and this is the business end of the setup..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 04, 2008, 08:51:13 PM
now that looks interesting toes, how are you going to apply the drive to the shaft,will this be a direct drive with the shaft set at an angle to the tube as with home made bow thrusters or through a bevel gear .
Cant wait for the next installment
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on October 04, 2008, 09:22:07 PM
If you look at the right of the pic, you will see a 1/8th flexi
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 04, 2008, 09:56:44 PM
Your right  Andy ,i have never used a flexi drive never mind seen one up close so i wouldn't have a clue what one looks like .
can they be cut to size or are you limited to pre determined sizes
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on October 04, 2008, 11:09:22 PM
Hi Daz,

You can cut the motor end with a high speed cutting disc in a mini drill.
The cable to motor joint is either a rigid tube with grub screws or a more complicated system that works like a drill chuck.
Bob
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on October 05, 2008, 08:19:55 AM
or a more complicated system that works like a drill chuck.

That system is known as a hex-flex and can be bought from ASTEC Models. It is far better than a standard coupling IMHO. One problem is getting the right sort of flexi cable, (Octura is by far the best) some of the stuff has a high carbon content and unless it is taken out oif the boat, cleaned and oiled after each day's use it will soon go solid and all 'grungy.' I tried some ETTI flexi cable and within 4 weeks it was as stiff as a ramrod and rusted up.
Cheers,
Ian.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on October 05, 2008, 12:15:16 PM
Your right  Andy ,i have never used a flexi drive never mind seen one up close so i wouldn't have a clue what one looks like .
can they be cut to size or are you limited to pre determined sizes
daz

You can cut then to size, but with a dremel but very carefully, if it 'blues' (gets too hot) theny it will be a bin job
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on October 05, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
When I first used a flexi shaft it was just after reading an article on use after care etc.
One of the points made, was that if it got hot blued etc. this helped it to NOT unravel after cutting, as the wire lost its tension, but only at the very end.
This was only the opinion of the author and not one against your posting.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bridkid on October 05, 2008, 07:51:19 PM
Well Bob,
some folks like to silver solder the end which fits into the coupling and then it won't unravel. The bonus with using the Octura flex cable is that it need never come out of the boat because it won't rust. (That's what Big 'E' told me and he has flexis that have been in his boats for months and months without rusting)

Keep on singin matey!
Cheers,
Ian.
 8)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on October 05, 2008, 09:30:04 PM
Well Ian
If you silver solder the end, wont it get very hot. !!! ???  OR  what about it developing a constant bend from being left in and then vibrating badly in use.

I'll keep singin, if you keep looking tall
 PS hope you had a great day today
  PPS you've already forgotton more about flexies than I'll ever know

PPPS must not hijack this thread.           Doh
Title: Re: Springer Tugs - More on Arthur's mini-springer
Post by: Bridkid on October 06, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
Hi again.
As promised here are a few more pics of Arthur's mini-springer. The only info I have is that it measures 5" x 2" and is powered by a tiny motor from a DVD player and 4 x 2/3A NiMh cells.
Enjoy the pics.
Cheers,
Ian
 8)
PS. Bob, it's only the end 15mm into the coupling that is s/soldered on a flexi shaft.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 06, 2008, 02:35:18 PM
wow that is even smaller than i thought  talk about bath tub sailing if the weather gets that bad he could sail in the sink O0 .
lovely pics of the sprig and the barges.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 06, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Sprig ! yes I love it O0  Now who is going to build the biggest ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Guy Bagley on October 09, 2008, 04:28:28 PM
was thinking about a LEGO springer  :D...... may well have to be a 'maxi' springer though....

i have a concern if i built it conventional size in LEGO  my waterline may be no where near.....so may increase the dimensions slightly thus making the hull void larger, and hopefully giving me abit more free board....

 just a thought for a winter project !!!..... if i did make it in LEGO it wouldn't half leave a trail of destruction ( and parallel scratches) in a springer footy game !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on October 09, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
You would need to cover every single last brick in epoxy, as lego leaks like a ******

And how appropriate was your signature was to that post.... coincidence???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 09, 2008, 05:07:12 PM
We'll let you build one nearest to a convenient brick size Guy!  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 09, 2008, 05:33:25 PM
I am sure i read on here that lego was imperviable to most glues , so what about making a lego plug and then casting resin and glass fibre to make a hull ,once cured you just break the mold .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Guy Bagley on October 10, 2008, 11:50:24 AM
You would need to cover every single last brick in epoxy, as lego leaks like a ******

And how appropriate was your signature was to that post.... coincidence???

dont worry i have proved LEGO  boats can float and not leak too badly.... the springer hull with its  sheer hull sides will be a walk in the park compared to my last creations !!!

the 'tag line' on my posts is no coincidence......
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Guy Bagley on October 10, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
I am sure i read on here that lego was imperviable to most glues , so what about making a lego plug and then casting resin and glass fibre to make a hull ,once cured you just break the mold .
daz

lego will glue happily with  plasweld and the likes, also most resins both epoxy and polyester will bond to lego... infact sometimes far too well ( if you know what i mean !!!! ) so depending on what you are trying to acheive then there is a material to do the job...

 building in actual bricks is fun,  and the GRP springer hull has been done before.... i like trying new things !!!- its half the fun and i like the challenge....

 just trying to plan why type of springer to actually make ?  a ;ego technic springer ?- a space lego springer ? or a huge gigantic LEGO DUPLO springer ( with the hydrodynamics of a sub post office ? ) ?
 {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bee on October 10, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
Surely the whole point of lego would be that once you have the hull the top can change every week. I quite like the idea....where's my nephew's lego got to.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Mr Andy on October 18, 2008, 07:39:20 PM
Right then the Springer MK1 was stripped down to nothing repainted fitted with one of everything and stuck back in the water, from looking at her you wouldn't know the difference. :-)

Andy :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 23, 2008, 03:28:13 AM
The 'O' Type....

It has advanced quite a lot since the last update...  :embarrassed:

The bottom has been added as well as some of the 'guts'. The deck has been roughed out ready for fitting and i have begun work on the superstructure...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 23, 2008, 07:47:09 AM
Is that 'pimp my ride' - "bling" lights under your springer?!?!!?  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 23, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
shoudn't the green lights be on the other side   {-) Mmm multi coloured could be a disco springer  ;) .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 23, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
shoudn't the green lights be on the other side

OH yeah... sorry Portside...  :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on October 23, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
Paint it black, have some christmas tree mirror balls inside, some black lights with stuff written in uv pen, and some loud thumping music from inside....

RAVE SPRINGER!!!!!

Some inspiration - Cyberdog in Camden

www.cyberdog.net (http://www.cyberdog.net)

Andy ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 23, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
I like it  :-)) , one thing mr toes ,how do you get your cuts so clean .
I have seen some of your work  and the work involved if i was doing it ,well it would take me forever to make all those cuts.
Whats your secret.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on October 23, 2008, 04:47:01 PM
So how are you going to make the outboard motor work? ? %) O0 :-))

Andre
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 23, 2008, 06:47:03 PM
... one thing mr toes ,how do you get your cuts so clean .
I have seen some of your work  and the work involved if i was doing it ,well it would take me forever to make all those cuts.
Whats your secret.


No Secret..
A sharp modelling knife, a steel rule, a set of needle files for finishing off.. and patience.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 23, 2008, 06:49:39 PM
So how are you going to make the outboard motor work? ? %) O0 :-))


By sending it out on a paper round next week...  :P

It doesnt 'work' as an outboard Andre, its a block of wood attached to the rudder...  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on October 23, 2008, 09:26:04 PM
Quote
By sending it out on a paper round next week...  :P


I like it, I had a good laugh  {-) O0 {-) O0, Thanks, by the way how's the "J" Class Springer coming along ?

Andre,
over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on October 24, 2008, 12:49:31 AM
Quote
No Secret..
A sharp modelling knife, a steel rule, a set of needle files for finishing off.. and patience.

Ah patience  can you get that in a 250ml bottle , or is it only in 500ml size  :}  :}
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 24, 2008, 03:08:37 PM

.. by the way how's the "J" Class Springer coming along ?


Its on stop at the moment while i do some to the 'O' type... and do some thinking about how to put it together...

The 'J' Type construction will resume shortly..  ;)


Ah patience  can you get that in a 250ml bottle , or is it only in 500ml size  :}  :}


I thought it was only available in 'Buckets'...  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 28, 2008, 04:35:03 AM
The 'O' Type.


The deck has been roughed out ready for final fitting...
Some color has been added to the superstructure and some of the wiring is being added ready for the lighting.
The 'Outboard' has had some paint.. but needs another coat of clearcoat now the letters have been added.

I'm still awaiting some 'U' joints before i can finish the installation in the hull and add the deck 'proper'.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on October 28, 2008, 10:04:54 PM
 looking good toesupwa   good job :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 01, 2008, 04:19:45 AM
All of the wiring has been completed and tested..  :D

Now its a strip down and complete the hull.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 03, 2008, 09:17:47 PM
Some early snow on the Cairngorms and a calm Loch Morlich , natural light of course :P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 04, 2008, 12:35:35 AM
Some early snow on the Cairngorms and a calm Loch Morlich , natural light of course :P

Of all the members here, i think you have.. without doubt, Mr Arrow.. the most scenic pond to sail in  >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 04, 2008, 09:00:36 PM
Correct Mr Toes, whichever way you look at it. ;D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on November 04, 2008, 09:02:17 PM
Arrggggghhhhhh   an unidentified flying springer!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 04, 2008, 09:47:23 PM
Space Shuttle Springer  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on November 04, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
which way is up  {-) {-) %% dam pretty place to look at and I wish I was there. O0 O0

Andre

longing over yonder in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 15, 2008, 09:23:29 PM
'd'O' (as this one has become known) hits the domestic test tank facility (AKA 'The tub') and has a successful trial.
She seems to need a little weight in the stern (but not much) as the bow is slightly down, so a couple of fishing weights will get added behind the rear bulkhead. She sits right on the waterline though...
There doesnt seem to be any leaks, the 'outboard' works well and..... all the lights produce some wonderfull effects in water...

Here are just a few of the colors that 'd'O' can produce...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 15, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
That is really brilliant (in all way's), are they on a colour changing program ?
Well done Toes  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 15, 2008, 10:05:11 PM
That is really brilliant (in all way's), are they on a colour changing program ?


Nooooo.. full right rudder (at the servo) hits a switching unit that changes the colour of the LED's.. in all there are about 8 colours... though the 'yellow' I'm not at all keen on..  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on November 16, 2008, 01:44:39 AM
I may have missed something in the build toes ,but how did you fit the lights in the hull ,and of course pictures are sometimes better than words , love the colours .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on November 16, 2008, 02:20:14 AM
Our club is hoping to have a Christmas light run one evening - this intrigues me!

Have a barge I could mount the lights under or my good old Springer - what type units did you use? I've typically bought the led coloured units in a string that most stores carry. Misplaced the ones from last year so after 1/2 hour of looking and bad language - off to buy new ones!

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 16, 2008, 02:33:04 AM
Our club is hoping to have a Christmas light run one evening - this intrigues me!

Have a barge I could mount the lights under or my good old Springer - what type units did you use?

Your thoughts?

I used these.. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50119407 (available in the UK too)
I used a heat gun to bend them to the inside form of the Springer hull...

They come @ 110v (US) or 240v (UK)... but... there is a transformer in the system that reduces the voltage to 12v DC..  O0

All the wiring has to be shortened or you end up with a mile of wiring in the bottom of your hull...

.. and then there are the portholes in the bottom of the Springer..  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 16, 2008, 08:59:56 AM
Psychbloodydelic  !!!! I cant remember the 60s either...way cool man !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 16, 2008, 09:31:23 AM
Is she going to be called Rainbow? :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: The long Build on November 16, 2008, 09:49:42 AM
Is she going to be called Rainbow? :-))

Better not take it to France then !!


The portholes,  which company produces them or have you made them yourself. ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 16, 2008, 11:46:31 AM
The portholes look like eyelets for tarpualins etc, filled with epoxy perhaps ?  Toes already has a Springer in France checking :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 16, 2008, 03:39:53 PM
The portholes look like eyelets for tarpualins etc, filled with epoxy perhaps ?

Arrow5 wins the balloon!.. Yes, they are eyelets meant for leather working / tarpaulins.  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on November 16, 2008, 06:34:45 PM
My springers going to have one of these in ;)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 16, 2008, 07:15:11 PM
My springers going to have one of these in ;)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zn4YVYdp8lE&feature=related)

At least it produces some light.... and probably heat!...

But what about thrust?...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on November 16, 2008, 07:30:16 PM

At least it produces some light.... and probably heat!...

But what about thrust?...

That's what the Zenoah's for %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 16, 2008, 07:38:15 PM
Oh I have so got to have a go at making one of those  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on November 16, 2008, 07:42:08 PM
Oh I have so got to have a go at making one of those  O0

Won't work with a lot of water and fuel in it Phil...
 ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 07, 2008, 10:03:09 PM
Since finishing 'd'O', I've been working on refurbishing Scoot.

A total strip out of the hull, rubbed down, new paint, a service of all the components, upgraded ESC...

Put everything back together and we have...

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 25, 2008, 05:19:23 PM
Just in time for Christmas, the TBW has been working feverishly, night and day (1/2 hour actually) to produce the ultimate 'stealth' Springer..
It was to be the new 'S' Type (S.N.O.W.) but due to the material temperature co-efficient, has turned out to be the 'I' Type (I.C.E.)...  :embarrassed:

Powerplant is to be an experimental GT Type.. (Gin and Tonic) but with a Twist..  ;)

When placed upon the water, it will melt away so you cant see it... sneaky eh?..  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 25, 2008, 06:44:57 PM
Tut tut,  the Toeswerke lagging(?) behind the times ? Have you never heard of Skotkrete. Based on research done during WWII by Prof. Pyke who proposed ice reinforced with wood-pulp (Pykrete) to make aircraft carrier sized ships, Highland Fabricators PLC have perfected the system using locally grown porridge oats frozen in pure spring water. The added advantage of slicing a bit off and deep frying with a liberal dash of malt whiskey ensures crews are well victualed for as long as the vessel is afloat and/or the crew are not too hungry. Patent pending.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on December 25, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
      ...Ho Ho Ho Guys...

If thats the size of the Ice Cubes then what size is the Glass for the Gin & Tonic...

                            ...Merry Christmas...Norry...

P.S.

I,m surprised that no one came up with a Springsleigher.. A Springer Tug made like Santa,s Sleigh Being pulled by Reindeers...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on December 25, 2008, 09:09:24 PM
Toes, I have a whole front yard of the materials for more of these Springers and I will deliver it to you free of charge (just to get rid of it)  ;D O0. All you will have to do is give me an address so I know where to deliver it TO!

And to you and Mrs Toes Merry Christmas and every one else for on the Mayhem, and to quote one of my favorite movies, all right it has been done a half a dozen times and some better than others.

"God Bless Us Every One"


Andre

over yonder and across the river in Portland Oregon
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mb1387 on January 22, 2009, 09:01:02 PM
Toes, I think after looking at your tugs I may be hooked. You are the tug man. thanks to you and others on here its another thing I have to have that I cant aford oh well %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 23, 2009, 04:17:24 AM
Toes, I think after looking at your tugs I may be hooked. You are the tug man. thanks to you and others on here its another thing I have to have that I cant aford oh well

Ooooooops.. i didnt mean to get you 'hooked'..  :-))

Springers can be really cheap by the way... I can put a 'standard' one together for around $200.. and if you visit dumpsters for wood and Evilbay for Rc gear / ESC, they can come out less than that. Most guy's can find enough to put a Springer together from the scrap at the back of the garage..
The only bits you need to buy new are the Prop shaft / tube, the prop and probably the batteries.. the rest can be had 2nd hand.

New stuff...
Motor $12 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPML4&P=7
RC $40 http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPCA1&P=7
ESC $40  http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKYX5&P=7
Batteries $27 http://www.batterywholesale.com/battery-store/proddetail.html?prodID=2300 (can be had cheaper)

http://www.harbormodels.com/Harbormain/Templates/home.htm
Shaft / tube $15
Prop $15
U joint $20
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 23, 2009, 08:33:59 AM
mb, Toes has it a nutshell. Most Springers are built on a budget. All of mine were from scrap wood, old drawers, doors or any wood that looked about right.  I did splurge out in a fit of madness for 1/16th ply bottoms and the odd figure for the deck when the full strength addiction kicked in. You mentioned a stern-wheeler somewhere ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mb1387 on January 23, 2009, 01:23:16 PM
Arrow I am all for cheap, we almost have my girl friends done I found the motor and gear drive out of one of those plug in to your cig. lighter air compressors, we will see if it works. your boats are very very nice also your stuff help to hook me also. I think these boats will work great to fetch my nitro boats

Have a great day mike
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 23, 2009, 01:32:13 PM
Yep nitro boats , seaplanes etc  if it is floating the Springer will bring it home O0.  So this is going to be a His n Hers team, recipe for Dodge-`em-car games ! Have fun {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on January 24, 2009, 07:21:05 AM
For anyone interested in Australia, I can produce Springer hulls in Fibreglass. Either raw glass or with a white gel-coat surface.
Regards
Nick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 24, 2009, 08:55:19 AM
Looks Croc-proof to me :-))  fair dinkum mate.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on February 01, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
I Built the black hull up into a generic truckable towboat. Its got a Brushless 1000Kv motor in it.
Nick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: BobF on February 01, 2009, 12:42:02 PM
I like the boat so much, I just bought the dog.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 17, 2009, 02:13:02 AM
Two new Springers under construction at the Toesup Boat Werks...  :D

By the way, they are 9" x 4"...  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mb1387 on February 17, 2009, 01:24:41 PM
What is in the works, only toes knows, I need to see more %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 17, 2009, 05:28:40 PM
How big is the Normal Springer tub????
Got an idear but It would help if I had some plans to go on. Dose anyone have a set of make your own wood/ply hull. IF yes pm me. Ta very much
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 17, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
www.springertug.com but start reading the early posts on this thread and all your questions will be answered, even about scaled up and down versions with strimmer motors . They tend to make excellent sub surface runners if overpowered.  O0  If you want the real lowdown go to www.rcgroups.com in the Dock Talk section there is a Springer Class thread that will take about a year to read. Size is 18"x8" for a standard tub.  Plans im PDF  are on posts #99, 101 and 106. 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 17, 2009, 05:42:31 PM
How big is the Normal Springer tub????
Got an idear but It would help if I had some plans to go on. Dose anyone have a set of make your own wood/ply hull.


18" long by 8" wide... or the nearest Metric conversion

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3471.msg34812.html#msg34812

or

http://www.springertug.com/plans.html

or

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5533723&postcount=4
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on February 17, 2009, 07:23:42 PM
Plans are on here somewhere that you can print on normal printer,
start of my springer
Mark
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0039.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 17, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
Nice start Crafty, is it going to be a fisher with aft wheelhouse ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on February 17, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
Was thinking of putting a gun on front,and call it Bammilate,cos its made from wood flooring  :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 17, 2009, 09:46:38 PM
Bath tub springers then Toes, I like it, it means I'm going to have to have a go now (no one please ask me to put a steam plant in it, you saw how crammed my steam springer was---------mind you I like a challange !!!!!)   :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 22, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
hi all

busy day building two springer tugs i have been looking at all your springers add to have one no two one for me & one for the son to have a bit of fun in the summer more pictures as the build go's on

parts list
model motors direct 777
robbe 50mm kort nozzle
hitec servo
7 inch prop shaft
45 mm 4 blade prop
speed controller

regards jason  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on February 22, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
Hi Jason

Are the 777 motors more powerful than a 540? If so you have not got a springer you have a submarine. My springers have 540 motors in them and at full power they will dive, even with the batteries set towards the stern.
At full power I have had about an inch of water pouring over the front of the springer and getting deeper. You might want to consider smaller motors, also do not forget to build a coaming around the opening in your deck mine is 25mm high all round and sealed to the superstructure.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 22, 2009, 07:06:21 PM
How comes I'm the only one who has to add about 1lb of lead to the front of my springers to get it down...... lets see how my next 2 float--- :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 22, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
My springers have 540 motors in them and at full power they will dive, even with the batteries set towards the stern.
Brian

We we must agree with that, last year at Wicksteed, Brian's Springer was certainly the fastest, most powerful. and had
almost the best run time of all of them.
.... we never did see inside his Springer..... <*<

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10721.0;attach=49040;image)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on February 22, 2009, 07:33:40 PM
I think he was running 12v myself



Stav
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on February 22, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Sounds like sour grapes to me,<*< <*< <*< <*<


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 22, 2009, 08:43:11 PM
hi chingdevil

i do not no if the 777 have more power than the 540 motor but i will only be running on 6volt hope that it will be ok i will get back to on that one as for the coaming it will be 30 to 40mm high i do not realy wot a sub thanks for the help

regards jason  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on February 22, 2009, 09:40:53 PM
Hi Jason

Mine only runs on 6 volt, I have two 6volt 4ah SLA's useful as ballast. They are wired in parallel to get the best run time for the springer.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 23, 2009, 04:24:56 AM

parts list
model motors direct 777
robbe 50mm kort nozzle
hitec servo
7 inch prop shaft
45 mm 4 blade prop
speed controller


If those are Proboat ESC's you may want to reconsider using those...
They are not known for their low end speed and seem to cut in at about 1/3rd throttle...
Mtronics are much better at low end speeds.

Looking good though Tugboyben  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 23, 2009, 06:21:31 AM
hi toesupwa

thanks for that i have two mtronics 15amp speed controllers i can give them ago when i get them on the water :-))

regards jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 23, 2009, 07:16:33 PM
hi all

well moving a long with the build props & kort nozzles guled in i got my hands on some more motors mfa torpedo 500 6:1 ratio the output of the motor at @ 6v 1316 rpm & output @ 12v 2633 rpm wot do u think i will be happy for the comments

regards jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 23, 2009, 07:47:42 PM
Tell me are they easy to make. Could make a change from my normal go nuts out Makara and Hydro.
Could be a bit of FUN???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on February 23, 2009, 07:50:09 PM
Bill
They are really easy to make,if i can do it anyone can
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 23, 2009, 08:51:36 PM
hi bill

very easy build go on build one i have only got 5 hours work in two i no a long way to go motors will be in tomorrow i hope i can't wait to get started on the super structures :-)

regards jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 23, 2009, 10:25:17 PM
Yes Cheer for all the encouragement. May be I will get round to it soon. Watch this space???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on February 23, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
Theres nowt wrong with 12v , thats why there are two 6v bats in mine .
Plug and play create havoc %%
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on February 23, 2009, 10:50:33 PM
Bill, shall we do the NitroSpring? I've got an engine for it...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 23, 2009, 10:54:56 PM
Hi Andy
Im doing nothing for a bit. you know why. Just an Idear at this stage. See what bits I can get in HK.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on February 23, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
Fair does. I expect I'll be able to nab borrow some suitable ply from school
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 24, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
hi all

got a bit more done today finished the props  korts nozzles on to the motors mount made servos for the korts nozzles & fit batterys tomorrow

regards jason :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 27, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
Tell me are they easy to make. Could make a change from my normal go nuts out Makara and Hydro.
Could be a bit of FUN???
OK so it's time to own up. I thought I should give this Tug biasness a go in time for Wicksteed park.  I was not sure on the power plant? Then hiding under my bench this old engine. With a little bit of work i got it back to life. As you can see I have lots to do. Should be good for Wicksteed Mayhem.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on February 27, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
Bill
I always thought you fast boys are nuts,no you have confirmed it  :}
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 27, 2009, 08:21:08 PM
Ah, the fastest submarine in Christendom.  You could have waited till April 1st {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on February 27, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
hi bill

WOW I LOVE IT PICTURE PLEASE WHEN U GET ON THE WATER  {-) {-) {-)

REGARDS JASON
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 27, 2009, 09:18:25 PM

OK so it's time to own up.

I'm trying to think of a word...

Ummm...

Ummm...

'Nuts'  {-) ... that will do for now...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 27, 2009, 11:46:14 PM
OK All i can say " IT HAD TO BE DONE" :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on February 28, 2009, 10:11:42 PM
Hi Bill (you nutter) - how about a "tunnel hull" springer?  You need something on the front to keep it up  %)
Heavy duty swivel push arms (don't know the techy name?) which lower into the 'tunnel' position.
Precision drawings below. Easy!
Glad to see your keeping the mad good name of IC alive and well  %% %%

Danny

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on March 01, 2009, 02:33:54 AM
hi all

well moving a long with the build props & kort nozzles guled in i got my hands on some more motors mfa torpedo 500 6:1 ratio the output of the motor at @ 6v 1316 rpm & output @ 12v 2633 rpm wot do u think i will be happy for the comments

regards jason

Jason

I run a couple of my Springers with the Robbe Navy motors geared 5:1 turning a 50mm prop inside a Robbe kort nozzle. I have been very happy with this combination at 6 volts. Lots of precision control :-)) However, I do not have the full skeg that you show on your boats. Looking good!

Best regards

TBA 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on March 01, 2009, 03:19:47 AM
Well Chingdevil I bet you will have met your match with Bill's creation



Stav
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on March 01, 2009, 07:51:56 AM
hi tugboat andy

thanks do you have some pictures of your springers i will post more picture soon of my build  :-))

kind regards jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 01, 2009, 11:26:51 AM
Stav

You could be right there, but I want to see it run before I worry too much. Not much of a coaming and a very big opening, the word "Dive, Dive, Dive" spring to mind :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 01, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Got its bottom wet today,very fast and manouverable,now i see why coaming is important.

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0059.jpg)

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0063.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on March 02, 2009, 12:04:13 AM
hi tugboat andy

thanks do you have some pictures of your springers i will post more picture soon of my build  :-))

kind regards jason

Hello Jason - I need to figure out how to resize my photos before I can post them here....Most of my pictures are over at RC Groups on the Springer thread.

Attached is the first boat I built. I have almost completely done away with the skeg on the two boats I am building now. They turn on a dime....er,uh....well you get the idea. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tugboat Andy on March 02, 2009, 05:51:21 AM
Here is an attempt at a few re-sized photos. My apologies, please bare with me on this. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: barryfoote on March 02, 2009, 09:02:57 AM
Some superb Springers here, so here is my effort, based on my son's tanker, The Tessa PG..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: oldiron on March 03, 2009, 01:27:06 AM
At the prompting of arrow 5, I've started a Springer. It'll have a Canadian flavour. Several upper decks reflecting that image have come to mind. I'll post photos when done.
  We've also decided to use this design as a club build. I think its a good way to get some members familiar with various techniques used in building more complicated vessels. Also it gives them confidence in doing a first scratch build.

John
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 03, 2009, 02:35:03 AM

  We've also decided to use this design as a club build. I think its a good way to get some members familiar with various techniques used in building more complicated vessels. Also it gives them confidence in doing a first scratch build.

John

Thats an excellent way to introduce club members to scratch building John... and fun to run too!..

Keep us updated on the build... s.. (there will be more!)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on March 03, 2009, 06:49:52 AM
 here's mine  all finished     (might build another one later on in the year  ;)  )  regards ray
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on March 03, 2009, 11:11:43 PM
What motor /prop combo have you in that


Stav
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on March 04, 2009, 12:14:19 AM
I was going to ask the same question Dave , i have to put mine on 12v to do that.
Come on show us what you got under the hood ? .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on March 04, 2009, 07:13:22 AM
 i have a 540 size motor  robbe navy geared 3:1  on 12volt    50 mm  4 blade prop shop prop    regards ray
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 04, 2009, 08:02:49 AM
Oi!!!!   12Volts?????  Only 7.2v allowed.  <*<


RULES:
18" x 8" inch hull size and floor shape as per plan.
Single Motor up to 540 size ( gearing etc. allowed ) eg. 540/550 / Speed 600. ANY gear / belt / magnetic drive you like!
Power - Up to 7.2 volts
SINGLE RUDDER BLADE TYPE up 4" Sq.
Must have a superstructure of some sort.

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg49453;topicseen#msg49453

Plans: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/Plans.doc
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on March 04, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
Oh but its fun to run on 12 %%, should see my brushless springer on 12 ;)
Nick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 04, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
Get some pics on then Nick
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 04, 2009, 01:01:32 PM
Oi!!!!   12Volts?????  Only 7.2v allowed.  <*<


RULES:


Only 7.2v allowed... oh, i think i might have exceeded that too...

Rules?... oh, those...  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on March 04, 2009, 03:26:30 PM
Rules are made for breaking...one of mine is 12v, two motors and steerable 50mm korts :o :o :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: dougal99 on March 04, 2009, 07:21:41 PM
As we used to say in my line of work:

Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of the court of inquiry :police: :police:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 04, 2009, 07:53:10 PM
Are we going to get some of these rule breaking springers at Wickstead, might need to have some scrutineers this year :police: :police: :police: :police:


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 04, 2009, 07:57:57 PM
...or torpedoes!    <*<
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on March 04, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
  {-) {-) 'got to catch me first' {-) {-)   well im hopeing to get to wickstead in may  :-))  all being well 

regards ray
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 07, 2009, 03:46:45 PM
Tried out the barge today,now have put in water cooling,motor gets really hot


(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0064.jpg)

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0071.jpg)

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0072.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on March 08, 2009, 02:10:08 AM
Col our Vice Commodore launched his Springerdam yesterday At Tygum Lagoon
Regards
Nick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nick_75au on March 08, 2009, 02:15:19 AM
More Photo's
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 19, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
Bath tub springers then Toes?

Yeah...

Now finished... A few Pic's with its bigger brother..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 19, 2009, 05:24:40 PM
Ach man, that`s a bony wee thing.  Show us the innards please >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 19, 2009, 05:40:20 PM
Ach man, that`s a bony wee thing.  Show us the innards please >>:-(

Ok... ok...  {:-{

And an 'amusing pic' too  %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 19, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
Thankyoup , very neat.   A stainless steel test tank eh.  Dont think I`ll do one that size, my fingers are far too fat. :((
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on March 19, 2009, 07:55:07 PM
Very Nice Toes :-)) :-))

That must be a large sink or that springer is very small, what size is it Toes?


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on March 19, 2009, 09:19:51 PM

That must be a large sink or that springer is very small, what size is it Toes?


Two new Springers under construction at the Toesup Boat Werks...  :D

By the way, they are 9" x 4"...  O0

Its a small sink...  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 20, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Wow Toes,very nice work for a small boat  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 22, 2009, 05:02:40 PM
My other half in control today
Mark
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0092-1.jpg)

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/PICT0093.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on March 22, 2009, 07:23:08 PM
Like them :-))
I take it Patricia is the better skipper then?? %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on March 22, 2009, 07:55:44 PM
No she was the one the at full speed ahead,and blew the fuse,rescued the boat,replace fuse,then she was off.
At a slower speed,through my shouting in her earhole,she cant wait for own boat,which will be on the water next weekend
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 06, 2009, 02:46:52 AM
Wee Scoot hits the 'open' water...

.. and has the Good looks of Scoot and the raw power of Mustang Sally.. I wonder if they have been behind the tool cabinet while i wasnt looking...  {:-{

By the way, the barge weighs in at ablot 100lb...  :o

Video by Umi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DamSSh2d9Ac&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 07, 2009, 10:31:38 PM
If you can't beat 'em, join em' I suppose comes to mind.

I'm building myself a Springer, got the hull done today, power and batts are sorted just need propshaft and big rudder for it.

Anyone know where I can get a cheap 70mm tug prop from? Plastic will do fine.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 07, 2009, 10:43:04 PM
70 mm prop indeed  >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<Read teh rules my young friend they are NOT speedy boats >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(



Stav
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 08, 2009, 06:26:46 AM
With a 70mm prop it will be a speedy submarine {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 08, 2009, 09:54:10 AM
Andy , you missed out there old chap . You could have had a pair of 70mm props in korts from norry ,
i know he was after a swap but offer a scotsman cash and he wont turn it down .
Ohh the thought of a standard springer with two 70mm props and korts , oooh  %% %% %% :} .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 08, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
Umm where did I say it was a standard springer?

No, this is me, I don't do standard, instead of these weedy little 14" x 9" things I do 24" x 15", power is a starter motor and two 12v 7ah, possibly larger SLA's

70mm is a guess, but due to the fact this motor has about the same torque as a DesertAircraft 50cc engine, it probably needs to be bigger than that....

Also, anyone know how many amps a starter motor draws? It's just a standard HiTork starter motor

So far I've made the hull, Glassed it this morning and painted the undersides this afternoon.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3608.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3610.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3611.jpg)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3612.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Marks Model Bits on April 08, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
I would be wary of using a starter motor the current draw will be high and they are not designed for continuous running either. I went down that route many years ago in a big tug and used a motor cycle starter, the motor only lasted a couple of months and the current draw was over 20 amps..
If it doesn't work my MMB 900 motors will be total overkill in a hull that size!!!! :-)) :-)) ;) ;)

Mark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 08, 2009, 02:32:26 PM
I have checked it has no problem running for a good legnth of time, don't know what the current draw is though.

It's not a motorbike starter or anything, it's for IC engines.

Still if it goes belly up I'll give you a shout :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 08, 2009, 02:56:51 PM

Even if you fit a V8, it still won't be as fast as Chingdevil's!  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 08, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
Not going for speed, for pure Stavros pushing ability ;)

Where is this mighty Chingdevil springer then?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on April 08, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Thought you all may like to see my version.

Meet Sir Springdom' Castle
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on April 08, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
Its not fully finished yet but I could not hold back any more.


Has ASD drive unit 12 volt BIG motor (name/size unknown just BIG) %%

await's Sir knight and the dragon to arrive and some finishing paint work

R,
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 08, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
cat, i thaught an Englishman's castle was his home not his boat!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on April 08, 2009, 05:26:22 PM
Well as I am an English sailor I get to have it both ways  {-) :-))

R,
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 08, 2009, 05:30:41 PM
It will be fun under full power, the moat will be lapping the castle walls {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 08, 2009, 05:46:30 PM
Andy

Your wish is my comand, she does not look like this at the moment as she is in dock having a repaint and other work :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: catengineman on April 08, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
Not even sure how it will sit in the water yet  :D

so I have left the deck loose just in case I need to put yet more weight in  >>:-(
the rec in well up in the castle part so I am not too worried about the mote flooding  {-) but at the moment I have got to change the ESC for some strange reason the motor does not work?
It is a Viper 20 amp and the LED's show ahead and astern ie: green . red but NO voltage out of the blue and yellow leads
The other thing I am a little worried about is the steering. when the drive was in Tito steering was overpowered by thrust from the motor and this is even a bigger motor than they were.
Only time will tell.

R
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 08, 2009, 08:02:40 PM
Cheers, tis but a wee thingy, I'll run it over...

Mine weighs 17 lbs with batts and motor in, going to end up being more with superstructure, running gear etc.

Oh and I realised this afternoon that the roof paint I used to paint it with is just like blackboard paint, so we can draw on it in chalk... %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 08, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
Yet another Mini Springer... you always have to build two..  :-))

May i present Mini 'Cooper' S.... 'S' for Springer...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 09, 2009, 08:21:01 AM
My hat off to you mr Toes , what a great little springer  keep up the good work  :-)) :-)) :-))
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 09, 2009, 03:42:04 PM
Mine shall be running next week, ordered the prop (large X series one till I get a proper tug one), shaft etc shall be picked up this sat

Did the superstructure today. Armour plating will be from Strongbow cans...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 09, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
Can't wait to see it Andy  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 10, 2009, 02:57:46 PM
I've been out last night and bought two crates of Strongbow for the armour plating :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on April 10, 2009, 05:23:33 PM
What is Strongbow?

Andre
wondering in Portland Oregon

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 10, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
A bad cider drink.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on April 10, 2009, 05:38:59 PM
bit like battery acid = poison
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on April 10, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Yeah, pretty much
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 10, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
Strongbow is awesome, 3 out of 5 pints of cider sold in the UK is Strongbow...

It is available where you live by the way, look for this:

(http://images.google.co.uk/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.english-shop.de/images/strongbow%2520can.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGXTrkXT0mAEdRrOo8Nqv449Riz7Q)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 11, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
Strongbow is awesome, 3 out of 5 pints of cider sold in the UK is Strongbow...


Its ok to put this on your Fish and Chips.. like that other vinegar product known as 'Blackthorn'..

For real cider, try Scrumpy (the 'thick' stuff).. its from the West country (UK).. but you wont need many before you start to fall over..  %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 11, 2009, 07:16:06 PM
Could anyone tell me either as a percentage or fraction where the centre of gravity of a Springer should be? I'm placing the (many) batteries in now
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on April 11, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
Andy,stick the batteries at the lowest point in hull
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 11, 2009, 07:24:13 PM
Oh they will be, but where should the centre of gravity be lengthwise?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on April 11, 2009, 08:37:15 PM
Draw waterline on hull,once in water (bath) place batts or lead in so front of boat sits proud of waterline.
Cos they do like to nosedive,and bobs ya grandad great fun
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 11, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Thanks very much, I plan to have the battery for the 'special feature' (;)) movable, it's a 2.1ah 12v SLA so its reasonably hefty for balancing weight.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 11, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
I built mine so bl**dy light it nose pointed skywoods, so I had to put 2lb lead in the front and then pile the batteries on top, so stuff them in Andy untill its floats level (although I would go for a little extra weight in the back)  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 11, 2009, 10:59:52 PM
Mine floats with about half inch clearance between front chine line and water.

Phil wetting device works perfectly, say no more ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 18, 2009, 06:38:13 PM
Tried it out in the bath today, with a 62mm X series prop, a good amount of power there with the X prop, but not enough, as X series props are for fast models. So when I can get hold of Cornwall model boats I shall order myself a better 3 bladed prop for it.

Still it's all ready for a run tomorrow :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: boatmadman on April 19, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Some springer action from this morning:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 19, 2009, 03:00:23 PM
Great pictures, nice to see realistic barges :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 19, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
GiantSpring went for a run today, goes well, apart from the rudder pushrod, which sticks, and the vast under-propping.

It has been Christened 'Pis-Up', as that's what I was doing when I made it...

Andy (sitting here slurping on Strongbow) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 19, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
nice to see the springer at work .
Just an idea ,has anyone made a jebus to fit in front of a springer to stop it diving , that could be fitted to the front of a tow.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 19, 2009, 04:25:42 PM

Just an idea ,has anyone made a jebus to fit in front of a springer to stop it diving , that could be fitted to the front of a tow.


I experimented with inverted wings both under the stern and under the bow on Scoot and found a 'lifting wing' under the bow made a slight difference to the Springer hull's diving tendancies... but it still does it, it just holds off slightly longer.
I remember Arrow doing some experiments with a 'protuberance'  :} on the bow of his Springer.. but that didnt seem to work either.

There are two ways to hold off on the Springer dive..
1/ place the batteries so far back in the hull that the boat looks as if its sinking by the stern (and it will when you go in reverse)
2/ Just go easy on the throttle...

.. or you could make a WW...  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on April 19, 2009, 06:32:50 PM
i was thinking of the type on the front of Weldale tug based at Goole which was used to tow tom puddings a;ong the canal , the jebus was fitted to  the lead pudding to keep the bow up and to break the water
daz
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Goole%20docks/P1000070.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 19, 2009, 09:38:45 PM
Sorry Chaps. I did see Andy's Springer tug today. Only trouble he was still swiffy from drinking all that battery acid.  However you most see it for yourself. I'm sure it will be out at Wicksteed park.  Andy will be doing as much rolling as his tug.  {-) {-) {-) {-)
Come on Andy put a photo up of her on here.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 19, 2009, 09:44:10 PM
Dose any one have a spare Fox F7 petrol engine so I can finish my Springer of???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 19, 2009, 10:14:49 PM
Oh all right, all right, here it is...

Makes a most entertaining noise when you go up to push our rescue boat... Kind of a crushing can sound...

Next week shall be complete with sozzled action man...

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll184/andyn_01/DSCN3613.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 19, 2009, 10:29:44 PM
Well aAndy I have heard of doing a BEER run but a CIDER run thats taking the Biscuit O0 O0 O0 O0




Stav
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 19, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
It must be a dutch springer Andy, and works on the (wait for it)------------------cider sea      {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on April 20, 2009, 06:08:21 PM
Bill
couldnt you use a mini moto engine instead
just a thought
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 20, 2009, 07:45:03 PM
Hi Mark
Yes but it would have to be a very large springer.  :} :} :}
Trying for a strimmer engine off ebay that Andy spotted.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on April 20, 2009, 07:50:25 PM
I got a spare chainsaw,could use that motor
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on April 20, 2009, 10:31:58 PM
Don't tempt him Mark - he's likely to leave the "saw" part still attached then charge round like an early James Bond %) {-)
Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on April 21, 2009, 12:17:24 AM
Another US springer jumps the pond...

 :-))


Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on April 21, 2009, 01:13:42 AM
Another US springer jumps the pond...


Just a wild thought...  %)

Isnt it about time a GB Springer made a round the Colonies (USA  :P ) trip?...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 22, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
A new engine (ebay jobby) has been found and with luck it will fit. Wa Ha!!! :-))
It is 23cc ex strimmer.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 23, 2009, 11:54:00 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 24, 2009, 09:26:46 AM
I found that engine Phil, by the way it's what he's using for the straight running, enjoy O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 24, 2009, 05:48:02 PM
I have some GOOD News & some Bad news.
 Good News. The ebay engine runs just fine. And it as we speak going into my Springer.
 Bad News. Well theres not realy any. Having to remake the top.  Oh yes it will be fun??????
Opps. Will post a pic when I have the top shorted out.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 24, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
Tried it out in the bath tub!!! O blow Start agian Bill . The new engine is to heavy. Got to rebuild it BIGGER.  >:-o <:( >>:-( >>:-( :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stavros on April 24, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
Make another 2 and sandwich the three hulls togehter and have a TRISPRINGER    :-))



Stav..........getting to be just as mad as the IC chappies
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 24, 2009, 08:27:02 PM
Hi Stav
Back to the drawring board again. Fingers crossed it will be done and tested by Llanberis. I don't realy ave much of a chance to get it shorted for Wicksteed park. %% {:-{ :(( <:(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on April 24, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
Poor Bill - you'll never make a true scale modeller!  The proper way -
Weigh engine, radio and peripherals
Find bouyancy coefficient of hull material
Calculate size, weight and displacement of hull
Construct model to specifications
-
-
-
-
-
-
THEN SINK IT  {-) {-) {-)

Danny
(sorry - just been watching Reggie Perrin)  :-)) {-)

PS - I'm pretty sure that "the proper way" above is a load of *******s  %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on April 24, 2009, 10:20:58 PM
Poor Bill - you'll never make a true scale modeller!  The proper way -
Weigh engine, radio and peripherals
Find bouyancy coefficient of hull material
Calculate size, weight and displacement of hull
Construct model to specifications
-
-
-
-
-
-
THEN SINK IT  {-) {-) {-)

Danny
(sorry - just been watching Reggie Perrin)  :-)) {-)

PS - I'm pretty sure that "the proper way" above is a load of *******s  %%
Hi Danny
Yes A Few choice words was said tonight. Still I had half expected this was going to happen when i had to use another type of engine. Talking of which the lot in Italy came back with a price on a new engine Fox F7. Which is how it all started.  267 euros was /is the asking price Not Being likely!
So off to B&Q in the morn to start all over agian.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 24, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
OutriggerSpring???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 30, 2009, 04:51:03 PM
Gave giantspring a go today, been on for about 2 hours with no battery loss whatsoever from the SLA's which I haven't charged since the last time I took it out. Pushed one of our bouys around a bit, then the chairmans huntsman. Chased a Model Slipway lifeboat around for a bit. Very pleased with it, but one of the Strongbow cans fell off...

Ah well I'll just have to drink some more ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 30, 2009, 05:31:44 PM
Tried it out in the bath tub!!! O blow Start agian Bill . The new engine is to heavy. Got to rebuild it BIGGER.  >:-o <:( >>:-( >>:-( :embarrassed:
    Watching this with much interest, how big :o a Springer are you going to ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 30, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
About 5ft, it's going to have his Vectra's engine in ;)

He's mooched off to Cornwall for a week...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 30, 2009, 06:56:26 PM
Is it going to be "manned" or R/C ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on April 30, 2009, 08:07:07 PM
It won't really be that big, I expect itll be about the same size as mine.

Did my first Springer OMRA launch today, went well. Then decided to try again by dropping it from about 8 feet up...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 04, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
I'm Back!!!!!!
The work on the Springer Mk2 can now begin for reel.
OK so I have built it and floated in my pond. Yes this time it floats OK. I am still building like mad this week but should be able to post a pic or two next weekend once I have all the woodwork done.
WAIT AND SEE Andy.
O yes Padstow May day was Brill. Unite and Unite!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 04, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Strongbowspring now has it's lights fitted. VERY bright... Lights up the entire room, if only once per second...

Big thanks to Simon at our club for donating the light and flasher unit...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 08, 2009, 12:17:58 PM
Gas Springer is comming VERY SOON :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 08, 2009, 06:05:05 PM
Run it in the pond yet? {-) {-) {-) ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 08, 2009, 06:33:39 PM
SOON, Very Soon.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 08, 2009, 06:47:33 PM
The wife will probably hate you nearly as much as when you run the hydro in the bath...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 11, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
TAKE 2, It has not had it's lake trail just yet but here is GAS SPRINGER Mk2.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on May 11, 2009, 07:53:27 PM

Oh my lord------------------------ :o :o :o :o :o :o

Can't wait to see it go, hell can't wait just to see it   

Thats something else Bill
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 11, 2009, 07:55:31 PM

Oh my lord------------------------ :o :o :o :o :o :o

Can't wait to see it go, hell can't wait just to see it   



I cant wait to see it dive under either....  ;D

PLEASE get someone to video the first Gas Springer Dive...  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on May 11, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
Please, please, please make a video.
 :o :o :o :o :o :o
What ocean will you feel safe to run it on?? Surely not a lake?

Ron.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 11, 2009, 08:20:15 PM
Just come back from running it at the lake, a couple of issues (needs new tank - bung is leaking, and throttle linkage is too tight). Pictures will be up when Bill gets them on here :-))

Oh and it doesn't dive...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
OK OK OK  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
YES IT CAN BE DONE He he he he he {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 11, 2009, 09:22:24 PM
OK OK OK  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
YES IT CAN BE DONE He he he he he {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

Ok...

So thats the shots of the motor ticking over... what about the shots when you opened the throttle?...  {:-{
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 11, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
Why go flat out??????
I can do that with my Hydro.
It was half way.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 11, 2009, 10:14:03 PM
OK OK OK  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
YES IT CAN BE DONE He he he he he {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

Ok...

So thats the shots of the motor ticking over... what about the shots when you opened the throttle?...  {:-{

It was going far too fast for the shutter to capture it %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 13, 2009, 10:18:48 PM
I have now got the LED lights working. When I was in Oz my Dig camera packed up. I kept the battery and charger. I am now using it to run the lights. They have been on for 4 hours and no sign of them going dim . Good Stuff ! Recycling can be fun after all!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 14, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
Well the Gas Springer has had it second run. For starters it had a go at pushing a 5 gall plastic barrel around. That went well , but on to bigger things!!!! But Wot???
Oh yes our club rescue boat with Andy in it. Well that worked and I got bored with all that pushing stuff around. It was then pointed out to me I could be thrown out the club for hitting the rescue boat. Hum ! Still it proved it can do it.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 15, 2009, 03:33:55 PM
Well the Gas Springer has had it second run. For starters it had a go at pushing a 5 gall plastic barrel around. That went well , but on to bigger things!!!! But Wot???
 

So what is its Bollard pull at full power?... Set it up on a 6ft length of rope and pull against a fixed fishing scale...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard_pull
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on May 15, 2009, 03:59:48 PM
He hasn't put a hook on it yet. I think he should because then he will be able to take part in the barge pulling next week...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 17, 2009, 02:57:15 PM
I might be able to use the engine as intended if he is finished put-putting about on idle......the X4 manned Springer was under construction when I took heart attack and ended up in dry-dock for repairs.   Back home now and will be back on-the-job (and working ! ) pretty damn soon :-)).
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 17, 2009, 03:14:09 PM
......the X4 manned Springer was under construction when I took heart attack and ended up in dry-dock for repairs.   Back home now and will be back on-the-job (and working ! ) pretty damn soon :-)).

I'm.... I'm.... I'm....  :o

"impressed"?....

We need more details Arrow!...  <*<
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Red_Hamish on May 17, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
Hello all, good to hear that Arrow5 is still with us and leading the charge for bigger and better Springers. Mightily impressive and this begs the question "is there enough water in those Scottish lochs frequented by the mad springer maker?

Keep well and let's see more details of the build please.

cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 17, 2009, 04:24:32 PM

This has GOT to be a camera trick!!!!   :o

 What is going to be it's motive power?

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=66625;image)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on May 17, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
...Duncan,,,Wee Johnny says "His Springers not scared of that wee bit of wood"...

Will it be ready for Our Tug-Towing Day in June...

Hope you are feeling better after your wee trip to the Dry Dock...

...Best Regards to you & Yours...Norry & Wee Johnny...

P.S. Wee Harry took delivery of his first tug last week...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 18, 2009, 01:16:09 AM
A Ford V6 engine will do the biz in that boat.
Way to go !!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on May 18, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
Or a big steam engine  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 18, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
Hi Phil
A James Watt jobby steam engine.  BIG BEAM job.  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 18, 2009, 11:47:37 AM
...Duncan,,,Wee Johnny says "His Springers not scared of that wee bit of wood"...

Will it be ready for Our Tug-Towing Day in June...
Hope you are feeling better after your wee trip to the Dry Dock...

...Best Regards to you & Yours...Norry & Wee Johnny...
P.S. Wee Harry took delivery of his first tug last week...
...about time too, thought you were sheltering him a bit too much.  Right Johnny can drive it then ! Dont think it`ll be ready for Julune, me-no-weel etc plus canny drive for 6 weeks !  Thanks for wishes etc now the biler tubes are cleared it`ll be full steam ahead soon :-)).  Duncan.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 18, 2009, 12:02:40 PM

This has GOT to be a camera trick!!!!   :o

 What is going to be it's motive power?

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=66625;image)
No trick photography Martin.  Was hoping to try some electric trolling motor for fresh water and my trusty 5hp Mercury outboard for real push. The latter shoves the 31footer along at 7knots but that is a sensible shaped hull. Maybe get a massive scale tug bow wave on the Springer. It is all "suck it and see"
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on May 18, 2009, 12:16:50 PM
This will do the job for that "Big Boy"
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 18, 2009, 01:05:10 PM
Yeah sure but fitting a shaft, stuffing box, rudder and assosciated engineering,waterproofing etc. I`m not a boatie. The outboard covers all those things and can be hidden in a well below deck like on the carrier and gives azipod type 360 degree steering.  One easy bolt on and off between carrier and tug.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 21, 2009, 01:17:20 AM
Now the TBW has re-established its production facilities in California, i have been back working on the Jet unit for the 'J' type.
The prop and its thrust mount are installed as is the nozzle and 'stator' that is behind the prop. The motor mount block has been shaped to fit the tube and the motor fitted to the block.

Yes, it all works when 6v is applied!..  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 28, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
The tube has been fitted and faired in to the bottom of the hull.. The motor mount has been fitted...

Ive done some planking and started (with some ply and more balsa planks) to get some of the superstructure shape..  ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: dougal99 on May 28, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Looking good or should I say F A B?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on May 28, 2009, 06:27:04 PM
Looking good or should I say F A B?

Was Raquel Welch in Thunderbirds?..  {:-{
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on May 30, 2009, 09:37:21 PM
   
New Springer Boat Works
   
Hi All

New Springer works on the Clyde at Lancefield Quay, Glasgow.

More to come

Timo2  :-)   :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 31, 2009, 06:07:39 AM
Whit, nae photies ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on May 31, 2009, 08:36:54 AM
LQ.S.W.

Part 1
          The stuff 
                         DIY store off cuts box    12mm / 1/2"  WBP ply  600mm x 1200mm     ( 50p )   :-))

                         Old Drawers with 10mm ply sides 4mm ply bases       ( Free )   ok2

                         Pine frame off new oven packing              ( Free )   ok2

                         Plans of web site.  ( ink & Paper )   :-) <:(

                         Glue and Paint in cupboard  ( Stock )   :-)

                         Time   ( Very limited )    O0

  Timo2

    ( photos to follow )
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on May 31, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
LQ.S.W.

Part 2

      Cutting , Sanding , Glueing ,  plus Motor mounting  ( Motor  540 / 3 = 1 Gear box )

  Timo2


    
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 01, 2009, 06:25:17 PM
....Hi Timo2...

Will you have one ready for the 14th of June...

If so...you are welcome to bring it over to the 3rd Annual Scottish Tug-In at Richmond Park in Glasgow...Even if its not finished & seaworthy still bring it over & display it beside the other Springers who will be attending...

...Best Regards...Norry...

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on June 02, 2009, 09:48:09 PM
Toes,
Will the suction from the front of the jet,not suck the front under,as they do like to dive
Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 02, 2009, 11:48:32 PM
Toes,
Will the suction from the front of the jet,not suck the front under,as they do like to dive


Dunno Craftysod...  {:-{

I wont know till the test run.. I'm hoping the 'ram' effect will suck the problem bow wave in to the inlet...

.. you never know, i might have invented the worlds first submarine Springer...  :embarrassed:

Ermm.. hang on, thats not quite right is it..
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=12374.0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on June 04, 2009, 10:49:26 AM
http://www.truckabletugs.com/gallery/index.html
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on June 05, 2009, 05:38:20 PM
Part 3 / 4/  & 5  %%

   Hi All

      The inside / outside / Deck / & Wet    :-))

   Timo2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on June 05, 2009, 05:42:25 PM
Sorry

   Forgot the wet one   {-)  O0

  Timo2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 05, 2009, 05:54:24 PM
                                  ...Hi Timo2...

That looks a neat job you have done on your wee boat...

Where in  Glasgow do you sail ?l...

Bring it over to Glasgow Richmond next Sunday (14th) and introduce it to the rest of the Scottish Springer Clan...

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on June 05, 2009, 06:16:20 PM
Hi Norry

   Thank you for the invite but working in Ireland for next 2 Weeks
 
     why not come to the north side of the river  it,s your Open Day on Sunday

    Timo2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 06, 2009, 10:15:21 AM
    ...Hi Timo2...

I guess from the photo that you are a member of Knightswood M.B.C.

I,m afraid I cant make it over to your Open Day on Sunday as Wee Johnny is playing in a Football Tournament in Galston...

Have a good time in Ireland...

...Best Regards...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Xtian29 on June 13, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
Hello

Last week I was at Massy for a model meeting (Parisian suburb) and I was suprised to see some Springers.

they are playing with a ball and specially one of them has superstructures completely in the madness of springers

(http://nsa07.casimages.com/img/2009/06/13/090613075226763737.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa07.casimages.com/img/2009/06/13/090613075827976815.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa07.casimages.com/img/2009/06/13/090613080203504393.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa07.casimages.com/img/2009/06/13/090613080348824411.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

I heard that some French clubs began to buid Springers.

A+ Xtian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 13, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
Viva La Springare!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on June 13, 2009, 09:12:27 PM
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. That is what springers are about, fun!!!


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 13, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
Now I'm going to have to dig out the kids old toy box to see what I can come up with.
New award for "weird springer" me thinks   :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Xtian29 on June 13, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
The "floating farm" is owned and drived by a woman !

A+ Xtian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 16, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
Has anyone experimented with different angled propshaft to help counteract the 'nose diving' feature of Springers?
I seem to remember someone fitted 'water foils' to the rudder to help pull the stern down, how did that work out?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on June 16, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
Bill tryed a kort nozzle on his, worked very well.

Who's going to build the first surface drive one?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on June 16, 2009, 06:03:49 PM
My Gas Springer now has a flexi drive set up on it. It still try's to dive but hey it would not be a Springer if it didn't do that.
At Stevenage last Sunday we held an open day. Trevor set out a course which prove very hard to get into the top gate. No Prob get the Gas Springer out and move the bouy 10ft where it would cause no more problems. EASY????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on June 17, 2009, 08:17:11 PM
Here I have been thinking today that i need a barge to tow around behind my Gas Springer.
Dose anyone have a design I could use??? Or photos of theres so i can get an idea of what I need to build.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on June 17, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
How on earth are you going to find one that size that fits in your car?

Stick to towing me in the rescue boat :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 17, 2009, 09:25:40 PM
Easy ,four 45gal steel drums lashed to the car / car in water  :}
simples  :-))
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on June 17, 2009, 09:36:01 PM
Why didn't I think of that. I was going to try Andys bath tub. His mum may just notice it was gone.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on June 17, 2009, 10:32:43 PM
Theres a bath up the road in a rubbish bag if you want it :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: afb on June 22, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Hi ya. Thought you experts might like to help decide the classification ("super", "mega" etc) of my tug, and doubtless make some thoroughly embarrassing comments!

I scaled up the bog standard springer plan to give a 24" hull (my available scrap wood wouldn't quite allow 1.5x). She is fitted with twin car heater blower motors (free!) driving handed 3 blade brass 65mm props and powered by two 6v 12AH SLA batteries (in series to give 12v). A static pull at the pond edge registers about 20A total current consumption. The motors are controlled by two ESCs via a rudder mixer - all of my own design. Manoeuvrability is of course excellent thanks to the rudder mixer, spinning on the spot in either direction with ease. I implemented a variable gain on the amount of rudder mixed in with the throttles so (at the expense of razor sharp responsiveness) I can set it to avoid her speeding up during the turns.

Also she has been trialled with my own engine sound simulator, but that is yet to be properly fitted - so not seen in photos.  I'm planning to upgrade to one sound unit per ESC so you get those lovely 'beating' surges at tickover. The speaker is mounted beneath the open windowed cabin, using the deck as a baffle and the hull makes a wonderful boom box. Finally I plan to use a modified mp3 player to play (real) recorded horn sounds, which I can mix into the same speaker. This has been bench tested but not tried out in the boat yet.   

As the pictures will show and you are doubtless guessing, I'm more interested in the electronics than the modelling aspects. The superstructure was donated by a friend after gathering dust in his loft for the last 30yrs and so far only the cut-out at the front has been filled.  Pusher knees are yet to be made and fitted, for I hope to use it as a rescue craft - so far I have only succedeed is rescuing huge amounts of water from the centre of the pond and pushing it to the shore!

Best wishes to all,
Alan Bond

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on June 22, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
Nice One.
Is it going to Llanberis???  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: afb on June 22, 2009, 07:36:09 PM
Llanberis - afraid not. I *am* in North Wales that weekend but I'm motorcycle racing on Anglesey.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 23, 2009, 10:35:10 PM
Toesup Boat Werks update...

The TBW is proud to release pictures of its new Springer offering.. may we present...

USN Proteus... the worlds only (as far as we know) jet drive Springer.

The running tests are held up for a few days due to the procurement department being lax when it comes to Rx's  >>:-( ... floatation tests in the DTTF may be soon possible though..  ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on June 23, 2009, 11:15:32 PM
10 out of 10. I hope the sea trails go well?  {-) {-) {-) {-)
She looks like a whole heap of fun. Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 24, 2009, 12:39:07 AM
That is so cool  :-))
does the top rudder work ?
Oh it could almost be part of the thunderbirds team or from stingray.
Cant wait for water trials .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 24, 2009, 04:45:34 AM
Another winning design from the Toesup Boat Werks stable!

... do you know, I wish I livened next to the man, I bet he's a great source of motivation!  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 24, 2009, 05:11:07 AM

... do you know, I wish I livened next to the man, I bet he's a great source of motivation!  :-))

Next door is for sale Martin.. $350k...

I dont know why they want to move though....  :embarrassed:

By the way, you aint seen nuthin yet..  %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: amdaylight on June 24, 2009, 05:32:28 AM
Toes,

I don't care what you say it still looks like a tank, all you forgot to do was install the gun. O0 ;D

Andre
in Portland where you belong
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on June 24, 2009, 06:19:31 AM
Toes,

I don't care what you say it still looks like a tank, all you forgot to do was install the gun. O0 ;D

Andre


I think you need your eyes testing..  ;D :P

http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/071106/water_tank_071106.jpg
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 24, 2009, 07:22:24 AM
Fell for it ! checked that link, silly me, {-) . It is just a super submarine and we all expect it to dive like one. >>:-( or else <*<
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on July 08, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
Is there any springer activity at Weymouth this weekend comming??? If So what time and where. I was thinking of bringing Gas Springer out for a punt.
I am OMRA racing on Sunday with my Makara but will have some time on Saturday for the Gas Springer.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tolnedra on July 08, 2009, 06:29:22 PM
Hi Bill,
Nothing specific for Springers on the schedule, but come along to the pool outside the Pavilion, and I'm sure I could find you a slot in the Free Sailing period, as I'm OOD down there! :police:
I hope to get time off to walk my dog down to the end of the pier over the weekend, and watch some of your racing. :-))

Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on July 08, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
I hope to get time off to walk my dog down to the end of the pier over the weekend, and watch some of your racing. :-))
Danny

Yes, come and say hello - if you see anyone with an "OMRA 85" cap on, just walk up and say "you are Danny the Bear from Mayhem and here is your £10 prize"
 {-) {-) {-) {-) %%

(but preferrably when I'm not racing - some things are worth more than money  :-)) %) )

Danny the Bear
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on July 08, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
So I just say "Hello Danny the bear" and get £10.00. Hum sound to easy ???  Then I will have to give you it back to pay you for pitting for me.
Thanks for the invite to use to pool on the pier. You do know Gas Springer has got a 23cc Strimmer engine in it? However It dose go real slow or eles it tends to dive. But it dose run on 2.4 Ghz so will be fine radio wise. See you there. Got to load up the Caravan (1st outing for me & the wife) Thurs night. Sould be fun??? M25 friday afternoon with a 22ft caravan behind :-)) :-)) :-)) 
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on July 09, 2009, 11:13:16 AM
So I just say "Hello Danny the bear" and get £10.00.
NEARLY right Bill, - read it again...   ok2 {-) {-)

You're thinking of the old Daily Mirror "Chalky White" competition where the winners were GIVEN the money (or you may not be that old!!)  ;D

Good luck with the 22 ft "shoebox"

Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Rainer on July 26, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
After finding my way to this forum, i'd like to present my almost finished Springer on his second test drive.

Here on a rescue mission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIX7AIVFBbw
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 27, 2009, 08:37:50 AM
Welcome Rainer, looks good.   Is this the first Swiss Springer?????   Post more pics when you have time. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Rainer on July 27, 2009, 10:21:19 AM
Is this the first Swiss Springer?????
At least I don't know any other Springer here ;)
But already some of my friends want to build one too :D
I'll take some more pictures as soon as it's painted (not sure yet how I should do it).
Title: Re: Springers
Post by: Arrow5 on July 29, 2009, 03:07:45 PM
A nice build-video from Mexico on www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pttf0MDWrQ&feature=channel if the link doesnt work try search on youtube for PPsailor.  Two Springer (of course) plus he does some interesting other boats from re-cyclable materials such as bottle boats etc.
Title: Re: Springers
Post by: Arrow5 on July 29, 2009, 04:36:50 PM
A nice build-video from Mexico on www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pttf0MDWrQ&feature=channel if the link doesnt work try search on youtube for PPsailor.  Two Springer (of course) plus he does some interesting other boats from re-cyclable materials such as bottle boats etc.
  See also his video of "Burro de rio" (river mule) all lit up. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: fooman2008 on August 09, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
I have a query.  On the front page of the mayhem there is a tiny thumbnail of a springer with a warship type structure topside (turrets etc) I skimmed the thread (all 60+ pages...) and couldn't find any info on it.  Does anyone have any more info or pics of the warspringer.
Foo
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on August 09, 2009, 04:31:07 PM
That there's Phil's BattleSpringer, see this years Wicksteed thread or last years Llanberis.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 09, 2009, 05:34:46 PM


 :-)  http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10372.msg96873#msg96873 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10372.msg96873#msg96873)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: fooman2008 on August 10, 2009, 04:08:20 PM
Thank you Martin I have posted on his thread for a few more details
Foo
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: fooman2008 on August 10, 2009, 04:29:21 PM
here is an idea a river ironclad for a springer (u.s. civil war time period) not sure if it would work, but since the river ironclads were essentially almost submerged catamarans the topside should work I would think. It wouldn't let me attach a pic but might be interesting to see...here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_class_ironclad
Foo
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 10, 2009, 04:32:27 PM

I'm already on the case Foo!!!! - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18120.msg174804#msg174804
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: fooman2008 on August 10, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
I was thinking more like Cairo (pictured on the wiki link) with the bow cut square for the springer shape.
Foo
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on August 10, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
Gas Springer and Nathen's new tug will both be at Llanberis this weekend. Come and have a look.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on August 10, 2009, 10:18:19 PM
It seems we are not the first with springers !!!!!.

Seen at the Tank museum this weekend...........not sure how well it floated though, still it could be my next one  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on August 16, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
Had A great game of Springer Rugby at the Llanberis weekend. You may be glad to no Nathen your Tug got 3 goals. However when I put Gas Springer in the water most of the other Tugs had no chance. It was then decided that it was time to pull Stav around in the rescue boat. I'm sure someone will have some photo's. After tea I put on a larger prop and pulled the rescue boat with me and the radio in it. Good fun??
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: nathanbint on August 16, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
hi bill i wish i was there that souds reaklly fun can't wait to get the boat
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on August 17, 2009, 09:52:32 PM
I'm sure I scored 4, until that hooligan Bill put gas springer on, then it just got mean............
But what fun  :-)) :-))
Title: Choo Choo Puffer Springer
Post by: ronkh on August 31, 2009, 02:29:49 PM
Something of a change!
I decided that I would have something a bit different for my springer and came up with this!!
A Choo Choo Puffer Springer %%
I have still got to install the electrics, rudder, prop etc of which I am waiting for (should be here this week), plus the sides but apart from that, its as good as done.
Please excuse the quality of the photos as the camera is on its last legs though when it does get its bottom wet, I should have a better one. :-))
Maybe Toes will come up with a USA style version %%
It could also keep any rivet counters happy :embarrassed: <:(

Ron.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on August 31, 2009, 02:33:05 PM
Couple more.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on August 31, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Last few and hopefully, the next ones will be of it on the water! :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 31, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Superb work Ron... nicely done...  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on August 31, 2009, 04:05:07 PM
That is a really cool springer, well done Ron. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
 Are we going to see any carriages or trucks behind it????

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on August 31, 2009, 06:49:36 PM
Watch this space as soon as I can :-)).
One will be a break van. (Of sorts)!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 31, 2009, 06:52:24 PM
Delightful!  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ronkh on August 31, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
Thank you for the comments folks :-))

Ron.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 01, 2009, 10:56:46 AM

That is absolutely fantastic, Ron. Well done you.

I shall have to scrap my 'Flying Scots Spring" now. It doesn't come up to your standards.  ok2

Cheers

Ken
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on September 01, 2009, 03:14:05 PM
I was at the Egham Royal show this weekend showing a few boats, and they put a pool in (just for me, well I was the only one palaying on it)
So a little barge pushing.....
(Didn't help having the beer tent next door)   ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 01, 2009, 03:40:03 PM
Excellent, best place for the beer tent, next the pool. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on September 01, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
Looking good Phil !!!  :-))
Got to make my Grandson a Springer now. Still he ain't born yet (due last week) so got a bit of time to work out what short of top it will have.  Seen some real nice JCB tractors and stuff in the Toy ( Boys) shop. Maybe??
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 01, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Car boot sales and charity shops yeild some potential top material for Springers. This is part of a broken bulldozer or digger.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 03, 2009, 09:01:47 AM
It was very nice day yesterday on the Cromarty Firth so I decided to take trip on a real Springer.  Here she is in her new blue livery ...the Cromarty Rose.  Two car ferry from Cromarty to Nigg.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on September 03, 2009, 11:15:42 AM
I like the look of that one arrow ,
would make an interesting model not only in the ferry form but also in naval colours as a landing craft.
lot's of options open like working ramp for when you do want to dive .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 03, 2009, 11:44:00 AM
Does it get the big wave over the front like a real springer? If so is that a new type of car wash {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

It would make a good model though, especialy if you got the ramp to work and a car drive off it, now there's a thought. No get back to work you fool %% %% %% %% %%


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 03, 2009, 12:40:03 PM
Ching, doubt if you`d get a bow-wave from speed.  She is not a fast lady, more of a maiden aunt, stately would be apt.  Dont see her in military service either, more of a modern day Vital Spark perhaps. The deck turntable wasnt working yesterday and vehicles had to reverse ashore , bit ticky for some ,wet steel, seaweeded concrete etc. BMWs seemed to be the worst !   More details and some local history on www.cromarty-ferry.co.uk  Good place for dolphin watching.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Rainer on September 09, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Some pictures of mine, which finally got some color.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 09, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Rainer, nice boat. Is the stern out of the water or is that an optical illusion.  Maybe needs some ballast.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pk1 on September 09, 2009, 11:54:42 PM
nice to see springer tugs, ive not seen any at the lake where i sail, new brighton on the wirral
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Rainer on September 10, 2009, 07:41:57 AM
Rainer, nice boat. Is the stern out of the water or is that an optical illusion.  Maybe needs some ballast.
Thanks, you're right on the first Picture. The center of gravity was to far forward, it almost got an u-boat :p After moving some weight to the aft it was just right.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 10, 2009, 05:51:29 PM
A springer turning into a u-boat, that sounds right to me. Depending on the throttle used they all try to dive, the first one I built when using full throttle would have about 25mm water washing across the decks and getting deeper. Moving the batteries towards the rear helps a bit but not a lot.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on October 19, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
here is my police springer has flashing light and siren..

when i can upload pics.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on October 19, 2009, 06:03:57 PM

Have a look at:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=23.msg2630#msg2630
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2277.msg108900#msg108900
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on October 19, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
picture of jabbas police springer well done jabba
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on October 19, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
Great looking springer there jabba O0 O0
Ihave just got two hulls and have started to build my springer tugs.

Regards John
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 20, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
Nice work...a brace of Springers {-)  Thats the way to do it  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on October 20, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
Nice builds tugnut,
   love the second one.
  jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on October 24, 2009, 07:06:07 PM
One done read for work
Some pictures on the lake.

Regards John
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 24, 2009, 07:49:37 PM
Brilliant combination :-))   I was going to say "just needs a couple of crew members" when I spotted the skiver on the beanbag {-)  Nice touch.  We need more barges for Springers >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on October 25, 2009, 12:04:19 AM
Nicely done Tugnut... :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on October 25, 2009, 04:57:07 PM
Why thank you chaps.
she pushes and tows ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on October 28, 2009, 09:07:42 AM
here is my police springer has flashing light and siren..

when i can upload pics.
Title: Re: Springers
Post by: ppsailor on October 30, 2009, 05:39:58 AM
 See also his video of "Burro de rio" (river mule) all lit up. :-))

  HI  !  Mr. arrow5 !

Thank you very much by the commentaries of my videos.
Annex photos of new deck.
PPSAILOR

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 02, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
hi everyone just made the kids a brushless mini springer to mess with runs on nimh or lipo,
i used a little 1000kv brushless outrunner 14 pole motor,
has plenty of torque,only pulls 3 amp at full throttle in the water,
springer measures 11inch x 5 1/2 inch,
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 02, 2009, 09:22:18 PM
What's the slow speed control like?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 02, 2009, 10:34:07 PM

springer measures 11inch x 5 1/2 inch


 {:-{

That doesnt seem to be right...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 03, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
{:-{

That doesnt seem to be right...


what does'nt seem right?
i can make it any size i want,its for the kids,not for competition,
whats your prob?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 03, 2009, 12:42:00 AM
What's the slow speed control like?


hi martin,
slow speed is good ,will get vid at weekend,
all items used were laying around the house and sheds.did'nt buy one thing.
thanks jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 03, 2009, 01:09:06 AM
a few more pics of springers and barge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 03, 2009, 04:39:51 AM

what does'nt seem right?
i can make it any size i want,its for the kids,not for competition,
whats your prob?

A standard Springer is 18" x 8" as defined by the original Pacific North West (USA) drawings.

Springer's have been scaled both up and down using a division or multiplication of 18" x 8".

At 11" long, i was expecting the width to be 4.8"
At 5.5" wide, i was expecting the length to be 12.4"

I dont have a problem  ok2

You have made a nice job of the Springer's and the barge.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on November 03, 2009, 07:52:33 AM
hi jabba in picture no 13 the small green hulled tug  with the buff colour top  its good to see a former build of mine ;)   'its good fun that one  regards ray
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 03, 2009, 09:04:32 AM
hi jabba in picture no 13 the small green hulled tug  with the buff colour top  its good to see a former build of mine ;)   'its good fun that one  regards ray

hi ray
yes it is one of your builds.
i bought it from guy at the club ,he said it was your build.(ray111)
i love the little boat,all the mates want one.

thanks jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 03, 2009, 09:15:18 AM
A standard Springer is 18" x 8" as defined by the original Pacific North West (USA) drawings.

Springer's have been scaled both up and down using a division or multiplication of 18" x 8".

At 11" long, i was expecting the width to be 4.8"
At 5.5" wide, i was expecting the length to be 12.4"

I dont have a problem  

You have made a nice job of the Springer's and the barge.

sizes are approx, it prob is around 12 inch by 5,will get sizes in mm,
thanks for the comments toesupwa.
if it floats and works it will do us.
 thanks jabba.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on November 05, 2009, 08:50:40 PM
Nice set of boats there Jabba. that pusher tug looks great.
Regards John B
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on November 05, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
hi there tugnut.
here is a pic,of the pusher .glad you like.has a 900 motor,large kort and prop.
glad you like.
    jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tonyhockey on November 09, 2009, 09:18:29 PM
Hey, this isnt about springer tugs... but is this duncan?????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 10, 2009, 06:30:32 AM
HELLO Tony, yep that is me. PM on the way O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on November 10, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
Springers and barges---meant to be, here is mine with the Mobile Marine barge (and one or 2 mods by me), need some more  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on November 12, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Very neet O0 O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on November 29, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
OK so it is not just my OMRA 2010 boat I have been working on.  {-) {-) {-) {-)
I had to send Nathens springer tug to him after Llanberis this year. Well I decided to make one for my Grandson Oscar.  As you can see it is nearly ready for its trip out on the water reel soon. ( Stevenage has a alge prob and we can't use our nomal lake) 
ENJOY!!! Yes the bucket on the BOB CAT goes up & down. The lights work, The rear wheels go round and it also has some sound fx . All good clean fun {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 29, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
There are rumors around the Boat Werks that a special cloaking device (Codename B.O.X.) is being prepared for one of the TBW's Springer's... in readiness for a long journey...

 ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on November 30, 2009, 12:59:49 PM
Wot No comments on my new springer then??????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on November 30, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
Hi Bill

 Wot   !   no rudder  just  SKID STEER  ?  ?    {-) %% {-) %%

  Timo2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 30, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Maybe just a stunned silence Bill O0 , yep I likee, very smert  :-)) and as Timo says  Brakes on both engines? or is it Footy/Polo legal .  We need to know. >>:-(
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on November 30, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
Well , water polo/ rugby/ just about any way I can get the ball is the game plan.  Re Llanberis this yaer.  :D :D
Still got to fit the pusher bars on the front which will not take long then it's ready for the off.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 30, 2009, 03:24:28 PM
Wot No comments on my new springer then??????

  We couldn't see the underside... we thought there was a still a Real Springer under there..... somewhere!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 30, 2009, 08:20:31 PM
Bill , the "pusher bars" are called knees.  You are into fast electrics, how do you like this Springer ?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00w3znH9uc
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on November 30, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
Thats mental %% %%but GREAT O0 O0.FAST ELECTRI
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on November 30, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
Nice one Arrow  :-))
Bill,Oscar looks good
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on November 30, 2009, 08:45:05 PM
You are into fast electrics, how do you like this Springer ?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00w3znH9uc

Whoooooly....  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on November 30, 2009, 08:50:23 PM
toesupwa boat werks going into overdrive now  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on November 30, 2009, 09:37:08 PM
Bill , the "pusher bars" are called knees.  You are into fast electrics, how do you like this Springer ?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00w3znH9uc
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Blow me dose that go.  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) I don't think i have ever seen one go like that.  My Gas Springer can go at a fair pace just before it dives, But not that fast. Hells bells
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 01, 2009, 09:18:37 AM
BillD, why no video of the big gas Springer going flat out (ish) ? You`ve got to beat that leccy one.   Who is the owner/builder of the Sprint-Springer ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on December 01, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
BillD, why no video of the big gas Springer going flat out (ish) ? You`ve got to beat that leccy one.   Who is the owner/builder of the Sprint-Springer ?

Alas No video . Unless Ghost or someone eles got some video footage when i ran it at Llanberis.  However there is loads of my OMRA D class boat on you tube. Type in "D203" and you will find it all.
I still haven't worked out how he did get that springer so fast without the normal dive dive dive routine. It must be the angle of dangle of the drive set up. Reel cool me thinks.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 01, 2009, 04:51:14 PM

 I might have a clip somewhere, from Llanberis, I'll have a look...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 01, 2009, 05:10:46 PM
Alas No video . Unless Ghost or someone eles got some video footage when i ran it at Llanberis.  However there is loads of my OMRA D class boat on you tube. Type in "D203" and you will find it all.
I still haven't worked out how he did get that springer so fast without the normal dive dive dive routine. It must be the angle of dangle of the drive set up. Reel cool me thinks.
...or a ton of bricks in the stern.   I have found out that it is from Slovakia.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 04, 2009, 07:21:40 AM
By the way, the Toesup Boat Werks crew are currently residing in Great Britain... and have managed to get yet another Springer across the Atlantic... :P

There should be pics to upload.. as soon as i figure out my Mothers MAC...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on December 04, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
a rescue mission for the other one?
We wish you a good trip!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on December 04, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
Looks like i will have to find a biger motor for my fire tug :o

 John b
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mark w on December 05, 2009, 04:36:55 AM


Hey guys,

Thought you might like to see the barge I finally finished to go with my springer (I was working out of town for the last 4 months). I used 4 "G" scale wooden cattle cars. The barge is 48"X14" and is made of 1" pine, the deck is 1/16" LEXAN polycarbonate, the rails and ties are styrene. One of the cars has a loop tape of cows mooing, and another car has a small bag of manure for the complete effect. The deck is removable in one piece; I was thinking of making a few other types of barges (fuel, lumber, etc.), and just change the decks around.

Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 05, 2009, 08:12:14 AM
Great work Mark....dont know about the bag of manure though.  I think thats just a load of bu...... oh never mind.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on December 05, 2009, 11:49:29 AM
HI Mark,
Great Barge, I had the same idea and have different loads to my barge, now lets see if I can get them on here.

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on December 05, 2009, 03:46:05 PM
Great springers and barges :-)) :-)).

Regards john
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on December 05, 2009, 04:34:16 PM
Excellent work Mark , a realy good effect . The only thing i can see a problem with the view from the springer wheel house ,
there isn't one . We have a full sized springer , all be it with a rounded bow that pushes lighters on the canal's and rivers . When fully laden there is no problem with the view , but when running light the wheel house is on hydraullics and is raised , will post some pics soon.
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on December 08, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
As prommised some pic's ,ok it's not a springer more like the back end of a barge but you get the idea.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00017.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00018.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00018.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00020.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00022.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00024.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00028.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00030.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Kirkby/DSC00033.jpg)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bradley on December 08, 2009, 05:25:11 PM
I think that you will find that the big Rhine pusher tugs have elevating wheelhouses.  I have seen photos of them with barges loaded with (I believe) 2 decks of cars, like a multi-storey car park.  :-))

Derek.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 08, 2009, 11:34:52 PM
By the way, the Toesup Boat Werks crew are currently residing in Great Britain... and have managed to get yet another Springer across the Atlantic... :P

There should be pics to upload.. as soon as i figure out my Mothers MAC...

Here are a few pics showing the highlights / adventures of Wee Scoot in Europe.  O0

1/ Wee Scoot and a Virgin.... Atlantic stewardess at 35,000ft...
2/ Wee Scoot at the Eurostar terminal...
3/ Wee Scoot in Brussels...

More soon...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on December 09, 2009, 12:47:08 AM
how do you know she was  ;) ;)  ;)  :embarrassed: .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on December 09, 2009, 02:46:21 AM
A couple of nice builds on that last page.
Love the Rail barge... Great work...


Here are two springers and their Christmas barges...  :-)
The snowman and tree are animated, and dance back and forth....
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on December 09, 2009, 01:26:16 PM
I like your Christmas set up very much. What a good idear me thinks.  Can you get over to Wicksteed park next year??? Would love to see it fo real :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on December 09, 2009, 02:42:08 PM
Oscar tug got it's 1st dunking today.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on December 11, 2009, 08:49:33 PM
Hi Umi love the lights :-)) :-))
Hi bill oscar looking good ok2.

 Regards JOHN
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on December 11, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
Hi Umi love the lights :-)) :-))
Hi bill oscar looking good ok2.

 Regards JOHN
Cheers John
Going to take it out for a longer run on Sunday. + my OMRA boat. fun fun fun
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on December 12, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
Nice one Bill  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on December 12, 2009, 11:51:59 PM
I went to the show today good to see Phil and the other blackheath+Victoria members and some Springers on display. I liked Toes
mini-springer and Phil's steam one it would be good to see it on the water with radio in it doing propper springer things.
Some of our springers under construction are at http://gtmbc.org.uk/gallerys/springer/index.html at the moment we have
8 club springers under construction and I am  hoping that our Club will be able to have a springer contest next year.

Keith
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 13, 2009, 02:05:38 AM

Wee Scoot and the Toesup Boat Werks crew make a surprise visit to the Model Engineering Exhibition just outside London, Englandshire...

Phil, of the worlds only steam Springer fame was taken completely by surprise...  :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 16, 2009, 08:35:57 PM

The further (mis) adventures of Wee Scoot...

This morning, Wee Scoot and the TBW crew were able to get in to the Royal Naval dockyard in Portsmouth for a few pictures with the world famous HMS Victory, Nelson's ship...

.. but then....  :o

Wee Scoot was discovered by the security and escorted off of the premises by two armed British police officers... :police: :police:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 16, 2009, 08:39:23 PM
Did they kick it to make sure it was dead, usual procedure ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on December 16, 2009, 08:41:24 PM
Have you left portsmouth,or still down here Toes
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 16, 2009, 08:44:25 PM
Affraid we have left and are on our way back to Shropshire...

.. before the Law asks too many questions...  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chrise on December 17, 2009, 02:56:33 PM
Just makes you think how far we have gone from the friendly bobby on the beat. This & apparantly we are winning!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bluechrisp on December 20, 2009, 12:27:44 AM
Affraid we have left and are on our way back to Shropshire...

.. before the Law asks too many questions...  :embarrassed:
Hello Toes,

I asked you lots of questions, when you were down there.. about tugs and your answered with cander and grace without undue pressure or torture.  <*< :police: Good to have a natter with a fellow MBM'er! as for my colleagues well........ two kicks if it doesn't go up chuck it in the bin... {-)  look forward to more photos maybe in Bakersvillle  8)

see you soon.

C P
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on December 20, 2009, 05:56:31 PM

Good to have a natter with a fellow MBM'er!


It was good to meet you Bluechrisp... and thanks for the 'lead' on the pic..  :police: :police:

Small world eh!..
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on January 11, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Is there any video of a 'springer-soccer' match?
I did not really find anything on youtube. Apart from some guy practicing to push a ball around.

I am thinking about these 'horns' that can be seen on most soccer-boats. (how do you call these?)
Don't these make it too easy to push the ball around? You can hardly lose it, can you?

Maybe we omit these on our soccer-boats to make it a bit more challenging. What do you think?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on January 11, 2010, 08:51:35 PM

Don't these make it too easy to push the ball around? You can hardly lose it, can you?


Er, from what I've seen at the Mayhem weekend, there may be a few who disagree %) %)
(we call them "doorstops" as they are designed to stop a door hitting a wall)

Cheers
Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 11, 2010, 09:35:27 PM
...it is more like Rugby than soccer.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on January 12, 2010, 04:17:36 PM
Is there any video of a 'springer-soccer' match?

A couple of vid's here...
http://www.springertug.com/video.html
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on January 12, 2010, 07:11:27 PM
Auri, the "horns" are coil-spring door-stoppers which can easily be detached.  Depends on what size of ball is used , standard size soccer balls are more difficult to keep within the springs when maneuvering, they bend with the weight and pressure of the ball. half regulation size is easier.  It will be full contact sport, rugged boats required !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on February 01, 2010, 09:35:09 AM
here's a vid of my mini brushless springer jumping out of water onto ice,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJYMQXmJ530


jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2010, 09:52:33 AM
That is funny jabba, :}  a long pole for recovery ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on February 01, 2010, 09:56:29 AM
That springer is MENTAL  :-)) :-)) {-)

Go on - show us your bottom - again!  :o {-) {-) {-)

Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jabba on February 01, 2010, 10:06:56 AM
cheers for replies,i used a tree branch for recovery,
 jabba.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on February 01, 2010, 03:09:45 PM
That is a classic Jabba, a real chuckler  {-) {-) {-) :-)) .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on February 01, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Found this one today.
(http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/Marble_boat.jpg)

Maybe we should springer-building one step further...  :D
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: omra85 on February 01, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Can't say I'm impressed with the model bloke - doesn't look at all life-like  {-) {-)

Danny
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2010, 04:37:46 PM
That was a fake if ever I saw one. {-)  {-) {-) {-) This isnt,  or wont be when the snow clears enough for me to get into my shed. O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on February 01, 2010, 04:44:07 PM
Hi

   OK Arrow    The Cat is out of the Bag now   O0  O0

         
     Looks Good


   Timo2

   ( man small Black Merc )
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2010, 04:56:18 PM
He he , reckon it was RO5 that gave me the heart attack ! :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on February 09, 2010, 10:32:09 AM
I Thought you might like to see some of our club springers in action taken last sunday after the ice melted on our lake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY76SFEVUrk

we now have 8 springers on the water with more under construction and will be holding a springer contest later in the year
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 09, 2010, 11:30:09 AM
Good show, liked the round the world header !  How about a line-up of all 8 Springers ?   What , when and where for the comps ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on February 14, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
Some of our Club Springers that were on ice breaking duty  on 14/02/2010

Hopefuly we will have Springer Contest in September or on our open day in July.
(http://s3.postimage.org/cl0Ri.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pqcl0Ri)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on February 14, 2010, 04:52:33 PM
Ok we can see the kid's , but where are mummy and daddy {-) {-) .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on February 14, 2010, 10:50:48 PM
The Little Red  Baby Springer is made from plasticard and has a 230 motor 4 3.7 Cells and Panet 5 radio
I will get some pictures of It and Post them .
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: craftysod on February 15, 2010, 03:08:36 PM
Another one from down south,1.5 normal size with 2 700BB turbo motors in it.
Still to do lake test,but it empties the bath rapidly.
Mark
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/2010_02140005.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/craftysod/2010_02140001.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on February 15, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
Some pictures of my baby Springer with its big brother

hull is 9 inches x 4 inches and it goes very well 
(http://s1.postimage.org/xI7xA.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxxI7xA)

(http://s1.postimage.org/xIf10.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxxIf10)

(http://s1.postimage.org/xIo_A.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxxIo_A)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 15, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
Cool !!
I like your baby springer.   :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bill D203 on February 21, 2010, 12:38:12 PM
OK so do I take it all you Springer captins are all building new boats for when the summer gets here. ??  Wot's going on ??
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on February 21, 2010, 02:34:12 PM
OK so do I take it all you Springer captins are all building new boats for when the summer gets here. ??

Not building a Springer at the moment... but i am (in between building another type of tug) working on a design for my... erm.. 11th (i think) Springer  O0

Something else to confound the Springer world..  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 21, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
I'm working on my 4th (not steam this time) will be launched at the Mayhem Weekend (I hope) design still secret (ish)  %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on March 12, 2010, 11:57:05 PM
It's oh so quiet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=horRWtbAJoI&feature=related) in here.
I guess you all are working on your lates springers, are you?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 14, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
Quiet.... but Red Olga was observed in a small inn in her north european village.  Was she being quized regarding the whereabouts of Red Oktober ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on March 14, 2010, 05:30:29 PM

          AH the old  Wink Wink ( hoot )  :-))  :-))

          You can not hide we have our ways  <*<   >>:-(    <*<


    Man small black Car

        
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 14, 2010, 05:34:08 PM
Correct....you wise old owl.    For our American readers , no it isnt Hooters !!!! {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: springersrus on March 21, 2010, 09:35:46 PM
A picture of my Mini Springer + its barge doing its stuff now that the weather is calm,  its now got a reversing relay and aux battery pacs in the barge
gives it about an hours running time on the water
(http://s3.postimage.org/6FWx0.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq6FWx0)

(http://s4.postimage.org/M6tqi.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVM6tqi)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 12, 2010, 11:37:05 AM
Stolen from the excellent Czech site www.mo-na-ko.net  site picture of a steam powered side-wheel paddle Springer. There is also an ad for "The Springer Cup 2010" 5th June at Pisek. Towing and polo plus a slot for steam boats. Always fancied a week-end in Prague %) ;) O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 12, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
....interior shot for Steamboatphil sometime of this Parish.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 18, 2010, 06:59:38 PM
Seen over on RCForums  :-))

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762&page=513
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 18, 2010, 08:01:12 PM
I`ve been doing a wee bit of browsing on the new Cromarty Ferry that will replace the "Cromarty Rose" which suffered the indignity of having to be towed to port after a major breakdown last year. The replacement will be operating later this month. A new-build by Southampton Marine Services will be a bit larger at 56ft long and carry twice as many cars, ie 4 . They have time-lapse video on the builder`s website. I`ll be going to have a ten minute crossing from Cromarty to Nigg as soon as she arrives on station. Attached pic is "Rose" in her last colour scheme.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on June 19, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
Perfick subject for a springer and Martins photo is just about 1/4 springer size for measurements

Must have a go at it!

Ned

P.S.  The stop frame build idea is great
Just the job for one of DD's build logs!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on June 22, 2010, 07:40:39 PM
Hi all not been on for a long time,No2 springer and barge done.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on June 22, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
No1 with barge at Kirsney Kapers
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 22, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
Aw, super-duper and the barge too.  Must get my crane out the box and get up the tip for some wooden drawers , if you know what I mean. Nice work, def best barge so far. O0 Real Delta look about the boat.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on July 17, 2010, 08:22:30 AM
...and for those of a more sporty nature , here is how the Germans play "Wasser Polo"  www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmFoS57mZvs     The MBC Lehrte  having fun.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on August 02, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
That is a great vidio  O0 O0 thanks arrow 5 :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on August 06, 2010, 11:18:40 PM
An absolute cracking video Arrow , i realy enjoyed it even if i dont understand much German .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: rathikrishna on August 09, 2010, 08:56:46 AM
Sir..can i clear one doubt here..?  why the bottom of this craft done in to a curved shape...?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 09:07:41 AM
there shaped like that because the real one is shaped like that

(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=68956;image)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2010, 09:39:40 AM
Not the best example , that one has a flat spot on the bottom. :o   I dont know the answer to the question, is there any full-size curved bottom examples with the full curve?    Does this mean we are going to have a Springer from India ? :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
I've got a feeling that the model has a full curve on the hull for simplicity's sake of building .. remember springers are there to encourage new modelers into the hobbies i guess its just practicality of a build thats just for fun ,

However ... if you build a springer with that flat indentation at the base would it still be a springer? and would you be able to use in in springer competitions because the hulls not to the original plan , when yet... the original 'springers'  features this type of hull...  or would it just become a 'scale model?'
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: oldiron on August 09, 2010, 10:38:16 AM
How about this one Arrow5. I don't know where I got the photo from, but its in the 12" to the foot scale.

John
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 10:47:51 AM
notice the flat on the bottom of the curve on that one too?

Maybe its time for the UK to re-invent the springer plans to feature the flat on the hull design?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2010, 10:58:17 AM
I think you are right Proph, one piece=no leaks !   That IS a curvy one Iron.     The standard, as published, original plan is THE Springer , named after Mr Springer from the Pacific North West who made a "one design" class . Above the deck level you can have what you like and I think this is part of the appeal.  Everything else is a push-boat, pusher tug, towboat etc .   Mr Springer never designed a full-sized pusher tug as far as I know.  The history is well documented on www.RCGroups.com   in the Dock Talk section of boats under Springer Class boats.  There are of course variations in power and size (Super Springers) but they wouldnt be allowed to compete in Polo or other games or comps for Springers.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2010, 11:01:19 AM
If it aint broke , dont fix it !     Here we go again, we have discussed this before I think.  What is the point of changing it ?   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 11:07:19 AM
You are right theres nothing wrong with the original plan my only though it for thouse who would rather build a competition springer that features as an accurate scale model, i have built my fair share of half baked not to scale models in the past and throughly enjoyed every moment, hitting my mid life crisis i am now more inclined to build with more detail and to a better scale representation, my only question is that ,should i build a springer using the competition plans would i get away with chopping off the base of the hull and make it more like the original ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2010, 11:32:13 AM
No problem building a scale tow-boat/push-tug etc ,dozens of designs. Every boatyard on the big American rivers seem to have local variations and styles.  Check Toe Boat Joes site and forget a Springer hull.  A "scale Springer" probably exists by accident.  I like adding scale details but we have to have a sense of humour too {-)   Look at Tugnut`s examples above post 1652 on.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
Now that to me is a perfect example of what a scale model is about. after much deliberation i think that i will build a springer as per the plan and for the superstructure do it in the of the form of SD Hercules which is from my local dockyard I( i can see it working on a daily bases from my living room window )

http://severnshipping.fotopic.net/p60831173_v10.html (http://severnshipping.fotopic.net/p60831173_v10.html)


just a question on the tug/towing capability's how much weight can these little guys move the heaviest boat i have is around the 7kg mark, my plan would be to not just join in, in building a springer i want to be able to use it as a rescue boat or would you think its better to build a purpose built rescue boat?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 09, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
Sir..can i clear one doubt here..?  why the bottom of this craft done in to a curved shape...?

Because that is the way the Springer was designed


However ... if you build a springer with that flat indentation at the base would it still be a springer? and would you be able to use in in springer competitions because the hulls not to the original plan , when yet... the original 'springers'  features this type of hull...  or would it just become a 'scale model?'


1/ No
2/ No
3/ Scale model

There is no such thing as a full scale 'Springer'...
There ARE truckable towboats with a flat on the bottom of the hull so it sits on the truck and has less draft for shallow rivers / harbours
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 09, 2010, 06:07:01 PM

just a question on the tug/towing capability's how much weight can these little guys move the heaviest boat i have is around the 7kg mark, my plan would be to not just join in, in building a springer i want to be able to use it as a rescue boat or would you think its better to build a purpose built rescue boat?


A standard Springer can handle a 200lb barge with ease... A Super Springer has been known to push a 1000lb 'object' around in the water
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Prophet on August 09, 2010, 06:34:49 PM
thanks for the advice i'll keep you guys posted on my springer build in the near future :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 09, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
In case you are wondering , the 1000lb object was a manned pumkin I believe  :o!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: toesupwa on August 10, 2010, 04:38:38 AM
In case you are wondering , the 1000lb object was a manned pumkin I believe  :o!

C'mon Arrow... lets not make it tooooo unbelievable..  :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 10, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
Yeah, right enuff.  I heard it was only 998lbs  >:-o. might have been radio controlled for all I know.  I always tend to exagerate a bit :embarrassed: Maybe I should apply for a job with the Loch Ness Tourist Board just up the road a bit..
Title: ABOUT SPRINGER TUGS..
Post by: rathikrishna on August 11, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
Good after noon, all my friends...will some one clear one of my doubt here...?   i saw a rare type of tug, named SPRINGER TUG, and its too fascinating , to me because of its belly...why this crafts belly, (KEEL) is shaped in to a curved manner...?  and with its shape, will it create more drag...? please explain ....
Title: Re: ABOUT SPRINGER TUGS..
Post by: Prophet on August 11, 2010, 01:50:33 PM
that was discussed at the end of this thread earlier in the week

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.1650 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.1650)

Title: Re: ABOUT SPRINGER TUGS..
Post by: Aurigarius on August 11, 2010, 05:51:47 PM
Good after noon, all my friends...will some one clear one of my doubt here...?   i saw a rare type of tug, named SPRINGER TUG, and its too fascinating , to me because of its belly...why this crafts belly, (KEEL) is shaped in to a curved manner...?  and with its shape, will it create more drag...? please explain ....

Your question was already answered after your first question:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg249310#msg249310
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin13 on August 11, 2010, 08:50:42 PM
Hi all not been on for a long time,No2 springer and barge done.

G'Day Tugnut,

Your Springer No.2 - was this built from a plan or your own design ???

I like its looks.

Martin du
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jenkins on August 11, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Has anyone thought of putting a "Becker rudder" on a springer I wonder how it would affect the handling. I theory it would be able to turn better.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mike_victoriabc on August 12, 2010, 05:24:30 AM
You probably could - what ever works seems to be the theme - encourage the imagination - unless you're 'springer rules' where there are guidelines for the rudder size - but if it's a fun boat - go for it!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on August 12, 2010, 06:41:24 AM
Beckers are OK work extremely well and within the rules if you keep blade area within the class design rules


Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 12, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
Jenks, have you seen a Springer turn ?  Rudder set at 45dgrees and they turn on the spot.  Some US builders add a "fishtail" or  diamond shape to the trailng edge of the rudder.  I tried a flat "Gunrney strip" flat T, no moving parts. Tried a triangle version of fishtail too.  To quote the Meercat...simples.   
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: jenkins on August 12, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
I have not seen a srpinger turn, I did not know they were so movable. I will have to get building mine  :-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on August 12, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
Fishtail Rudder.


(http://s2.postimage.org/qZp4S.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsqZp4S)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Big Ada on August 12, 2010, 05:06:13 PM
Fishtail Rudder drawing.


(http://s3.postimage.org/UiXYS.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqUiXYS)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 12, 2010, 07:20:02 PM
More "enchinears drawrings" for Springer rudders.  All tried and tested, conclusions ...inconclusive {-) .  There is a twin Schottel drive Super Springer in Germany, (test piece for a future project) bet that turns on a pfennig  {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on August 29, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
Hi Martin sorry about delay.it is my own desighn.just finished no 3 now
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 26, 2010, 10:40:40 AM
Back in June I posted a picture of the Cromarty Rose and suggested it would be a good "scale" Springer.  Well over in Michigan USA Joe31hat agreed and here is the result !  BTW Joe would be interested to know who the new owners are and where she will be operating. Anybody help ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on October 26, 2010, 10:50:01 AM
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=26430.msg264087#msg264087


Did you miss this Arrow5?

Beat me to it with the Rosespring!

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 26, 2010, 10:57:35 AM
Yes I`d remembered that Ned, I was fishing for more info for Joe in Michigan. Any idea who is running her now ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on October 26, 2010, 11:24:15 AM
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Cromarty_Rose.html


All I can find but it fills the gaps

Yours Aye

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on October 26, 2010, 12:51:53 PM
Thanks Ned, its on it`s way to Joe. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 21, 2010, 10:59:47 AM
News from our near European neighbours, the Calais model boat club has a very nice "Sprinkler II", twin Korts, three fire monitors etc. Nice job.  Wonder where "Sprinkler 1" is ?Video on  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfvh7t7GnpQ&feature=related  If that doesnt work search for  Springer-daniel_02.mpg   by bruno231960.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pier33 on December 22, 2010, 12:00:04 PM
Hello from France

A copy to the most fabolus model of Arrow :-))

(http://nsa20.casimages.com/img/2010/12/22/101222010150560461.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

Friendly  ;)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 22, 2010, 02:30:43 PM
Alors !  I`m flattered.  Nice job pier33. Welcome to the UK chapter of Springers International.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: rathikrishna on December 24, 2010, 03:06:59 PM
great one..sure i will make one like this...thank you Friends...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 24, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
Rathi, how about an Indian Springer. There must be some interesting river boats or ferries that would suit the Springer hull. Any design is permitted from the deck upwards !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: rathikrishna on December 26, 2010, 10:55:39 AM
Arrow...Indian springer...?  means..a Springer in my Country..?  have any pictures..?  i am already pasted expanded polystrene for the hull in to 3 feet long and one feet wide...if there any photograph of Indian Springer..?  please..?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 26, 2010, 12:03:01 PM
 Rathi , I think you mis-understand. The Springer design is for the hull and drive system only. You can make any kind of superstructure you like , real boat or one from your immagination.  I dont know what would be a "typical" Indian ship to make your Springer like. I just thought that you might like to make something of your own country, ferry, cargo boat, tug, tanker with a local flavour.   Google "Indian boats" and see what takes your fancy.  Good luck with forming a club, maybe fellow members will build Springers for a water polo/football team !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 26, 2010, 12:22:28 PM
And Arrow5 started it all of for us here on Mayhem!    :-))


 http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg33952#msg33952 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg33952#msg33952)

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=95.0

Rules: 
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg34786#msg34786

Plans:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18277.msg176250#msg176250
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18277.msg176251#msg176251         
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on December 26, 2010, 01:19:27 PM
Yeah, go on blame me :((   Rathi ,  I had a look for "Indian boats" and apart from all the normal shipping lines and so on I did find some from your area but maybe not ideal for a Springer but a "cartoon" version of a Kettuvallam ( ex rice boat, now tourist houseboats) would be fun and very personal to you and your district.  If the customers on these boats a well-off or rich people this could be a market for your skills as a provider of scale models to the hire company who could offer them to their customers as mementos of their holiday.  I presume that there is no bar to you becoming a professional business woman. Perhaps your esteemed parents might consider approaching these companies on you behalf ?  Sorry about bad photo.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 26, 2010, 02:46:23 PM
or even....   :-))

(http://globecornerbookstore.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bus.jpg)

(http://www.arugam.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/arugam.inforock-tuk-tuk.jpg)

(http://images2.travbuddy.com/1344848_12199338617031.jpg)

(http://www.gamefridge.com/content/icons/bombay-taxi-icon-1.JPG)

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: rathikrishna on December 28, 2010, 12:49:04 PM
Oh...No...but sure i will make one with my imagination...sure...it will be a great one...will try..thank you all...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pier33 on January 14, 2011, 08:16:51 PM
Hello,
Nice gift of Christmas whom I have just received: A 'red duste'r of the famous  model maker.
Thank you Arrow5

Pics on the "Spirit of Clyde" coming soon

regards Arrow5
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pier33 on January 26, 2011, 08:09:53 AM
Bonjour chez vous

A new build...
(http://s1.postimage.org/1130otdok/lanterne_mat.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/)

It's just a part {-)

A+P33
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pier33 on January 26, 2011, 08:12:28 AM
B C V...Once again

One more..

(http://s1.postimage.org/113r5exl0/cabine1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/113r5exl0/)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on February 05, 2011, 12:37:45 AM
Built for Rescue duty in Southern California.

 :-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 05, 2011, 09:15:42 AM
Niiiiiiiice, Wot no flashing lights ????  just needs a poster with scale of charges for various types of rescue, type of craft, value, like or not like owner, revenge for something, etc etc.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on February 05, 2011, 05:57:52 PM
I would have to confess that I underbid the project... so, No flashing lights.
Not that it wasn't tempting to put in lights, railings, hand rails, door latch, extended mast, coffee pot...

 %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 05, 2011, 07:08:49 PM
AH ! no coffee pot , that explains the tinted glass. :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Dekan on February 22, 2011, 10:00:34 PM
I don't know if this has been posted before  http://www.maritimejournal.com/features101/vessel-build-and-maintenance/ship-and-boatbuilding/vessel-launch/small__and__green_is_ideal_for_british_waterways

Scroll to the bottom and click on the pics
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chrise on February 23, 2011, 10:31:42 AM
The British Waterways tug posted by Dekan has been the subject of a Springer build here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=53999dceb01bb4c26f251a724f824727&t=1393998

If I shouldn't post a link to another forum please delete this.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on May 30, 2011, 10:48:06 PM
I have been experimenting with bulbus bottoms , ok it is on an oversized springer (not regulation size)
But my thought was to fit a bulbus bottom to a regulation springer hull where the motor would be housed , this would give stability and may reduce the dive effect .
The big question is  IS IT STILL CLASSED AS A SPRINGER ??
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Timo2 on May 31, 2011, 08:30:33 AM
Hi
          NO

    All standard  Springer are  18" x 8"  :-))            Super Springer  have bits added e.g.  2 motors ,Kort Nozzles, 12v or bigger size  O0

  Timo2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 01, 2011, 12:35:38 AM
£$%%&*$ (oh "xxxxx").
It would still be 18"x8" , have a single prop and a 2"sq rudder and run off 6v  %) :} .
daz
It would just have a boil on it's bottom  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: oldiron on June 01, 2011, 03:26:24 AM
£$%%&*$ (oh "xxxxx").
It would still be 18"x8" , have a single prop and a 2"sq rudder and run off 6v  %) :} .
daz
It would just have a boil on it's bottom:-))

 OH..... that could hurt   O0

John
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 01, 2011, 09:22:07 AM
What shape and where is your pimple?   I experimented with the bulbous bow concept (dubbed Arrow`s knob by someone !)  It didnt stop diving at speed but did seem to move the bow wave to the stern !   The bulb got smaller when ice-breaking and eventually fell off  :o so perhaps "someone" had the correct description after all. {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 02, 2011, 06:19:14 PM
That's very simular to what i have in mind , :-))
 but if mine drop's off then the boat will sink as that's where the motor will be :o :o .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 02, 2011, 08:42:15 PM
At least you will have a decent name for the bulge "engine pod" perhaps.  Must have a long shaft then unless you plan a "puller prop" ?  Rule of the house  ...must have pictures...show us your pimple
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 03, 2011, 12:13:23 PM
no puller just a standard pusher prop ,
but the idea is to have it slightly further forward and as the bulb will allow the whole assembly to be deeper in the water this will hopefully give more thrust/torque .
My current project shows the bulb , but the springer wont have a kort ok .
daz
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/attitude%20tug/P1010458.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 03, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
Deviant Springer I`m afraid. The power-pod is more like a keel.  No korts allowed for a standard Springer and your bow has a very rounded corners :((. You`ve read the rules I presume?  Adding more power isnt a good idea on a Springer, but it is your boat do what you like.  Keep us informed , with pics of course. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on June 03, 2011, 10:46:06 PM
will do , the pod is not meant to act as a keel , although i can see what you mean .
though this project is only what can be done as the intended springer will have standard square bow and stern
and a standard prop and rudder to meat the rules.
Once i get the build underway i will post pic's .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Roadrunner on June 15, 2011, 07:02:21 PM
I was thinking of building a springer as a side project (like i don't have enough to do) anyhow i put it right on the back burner, probably never to get done, but has anyone done an X BOW springer? be interested to see one build even if its not me!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mollski on August 17, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
hi guys im new on here and to the springer tugs,you all have some awesome looking tugs,forgive me for being rude,are all these tugs built from scratch? can anybody tell me were or if anybody makes or does a kit like the old tug on page 23,i think it was made by bird kid,i love this type ,and would like to own one like this,many thanks for your time and help thank you.  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 17, 2011, 10:48:49 PM
All Springer tugs are the figment of the builder`s imagination (Cromarty Rose is a scale model - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg264540#msg264540 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3471.msg264540#msg264540) ). You can buy a fibreglass hull and work from there. http://www.modelsbydesign.co.uk/ (http://www.modelsbydesign.co.uk/)

Plenty of "how-to-do-it" pics and advice on Mayhem. Look at lots of tug pictures and "eyeball" it.  

Welcome to the fold.  :-))


(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3471.0;attach=88200;image)
Title: anybody bulding a Springer?
Post by: gwa84 on September 10, 2011, 11:29:08 AM
whats going on with the springer s these days not much activity  :((
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: The long Build on September 10, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
I have one in dry dock.. :}
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 10, 2011, 03:37:40 PM
The world traveller "Red Oktober" has been resting in Baltic waters(Helsinki has some nice bars and restaurants !) but rumour has it that it may be on the move shortly, heading to the West Coast.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Andy_k on September 11, 2011, 05:52:34 PM
I have just returned from giving my first springer its maiden voyage and is it normal for them to try and dive under the water found this issue a disconcerting
have included pics as per post rules
regards
Wetsocks
South Wales

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/crashed/IMAG0024.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/crashed/IMAG0027.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/crashed/IMAG0026.jpg)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 11, 2011, 08:18:16 PM
Due to the hull design springers will always dive, this is one of the reasons you put a coaming around the hull opening for the superstructure. On full power one of mine will have about 25mm of water rushing over its decks, but no water inside. If you move your batteries towards the back so the springer has a slightly nose up attitude, it will help but not stop the problem. I have tried putting a bulwark between the pusher knees, but I felt it trapped the water and made the probelm worse so removed it.
As long as you deck openings are water tight there is not a problem, unless the water washes off your deck fittings.


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Number 6 on September 11, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Hmmm, a dynamic diving springer could be an interesting project! Dave.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 11, 2011, 08:34:58 PM
Dunno what you lot are doing wrong, but mine don't dive and it's probably one of the most powerful Springers there are...

Still, when I get round to it I'm going to quadruple the prop speed...

Andy :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AzVOMlW3Mo
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Number 6 on September 11, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
Mine doesn't dive much either, made a ramp between the pushers thats open at the bottom, seems to stop it diving, Dave.   O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 11, 2011, 08:53:39 PM
Unfortunately Andy your is not a regulation Springer so does not count, if the video was showing it on full power then you are loosing a lot of power somewhere.


Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 11, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
Hmmm, a dynamic diving springer could be an interesting project! Dave.  O0

Like this one?   :-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on September 11, 2011, 09:14:49 PM
Unfortunately Andy your is not a regulation Springer so does not count, if the video was showing it on full power then you are loosing a lot of power somewhere.


Brian


Never said it was regulation, just that if yours dives you're doing something wrong ;)

That video was on about third power, as I didn't know what it was going to do with that much power... At full chat the waterline is from the very bottom of the hull back to the top of the stern. I've even seen air underneath it in a hard turn.

Had a tug of war with a Robbe Odin with a Robbe 1000 motor in and won.......

Andy :-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on September 11, 2011, 09:24:30 PM
Isn't there a video link on here with someone with a brushless Springer that gets up on that plane? ... probably Mk I
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on September 11, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
Actually Andy most springers dive if they are built correctly, it is in the nature of their hull shape.

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on September 12, 2011, 11:44:19 PM
even this one wants to dive  :o .
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Little%20Shuva%20MKII/P1010483.jpg)
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/darran77/Little%20Shuva%20MKII/EastRidingofYorkshire-20110713-00069.jpg)
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 07, 2011, 08:26:22 PM
Another flight of fancy from the North Scotia Boat yard " MV Springstein Porker".  No relation to any similar design from Scandinavia. A bonny day on the loch, for November,  perfect for maiden voyage.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug-Kenny on November 07, 2011, 08:49:51 PM

Lovely.  Great artistic licence.     :-))


ken

Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on November 07, 2011, 09:43:55 PM
NOW THAT I LIKE :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chingdevil on November 07, 2011, 10:50:37 PM
Arrow

You have excelled yourself, that is really cool :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))

Brian
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on November 08, 2011, 07:38:17 AM
nice build  arrow  :-)) thats one way of stopping the springer diving!  :-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 08:26:32 AM
Quiet man, we dont want any other ship design company to adopt this radical approach, could be protracted legal action. ;D   Glad you like it guys.  The orange enclosed lifeboat is one of Ali`s (Wartsilaone) marvellous resin castings .  Port crane , any guesses ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Sorry missed picture, lifeboat crane stbd side jib broken, clumsy me. :embarrassed:  >:-o >>:-(   Port large deck crane pillar, recognise that anyone ?
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Number 6 on November 08, 2011, 07:14:58 PM
Very nice I reckon you get it on Loch Ness next year.... Dave.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
Nope, unless there is something interesting going on ok2   I`ve got a dozen lochs within 5 miles so Loch Ness at 40 miles away is not worth the journey.  These pics on Loch Morlich 7 miles.  Got a couple more details. Oh yes the portside crane is Bic lighter.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Norseman on November 08, 2011, 08:07:06 PM
Ok I give up - don't know. What is the large deck crane pillar then?

Dave
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
The crane on the other side from the orange lifeboat. Left in this close-up.  Near enough scale :embarrassed: :D It would look like this if I was a serious modeller, Its a Springer. %%
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: wartsilaone on November 08, 2011, 08:41:41 PM
Hey Duncan. That's the first time I've seen one of my lifeboats painted up and detailed.  Your springer is another great addition to fast growing collection of these magnificent models. These boats are limited only by the imagination of the people building them.
Maybe I'll do a ferry version.

Ali.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
Not the best paint job but OK for eyeball scale. The grabbing ropes are brass "bristles" from a brush. The "Kort" is a drinking straw section.  Yes I`ve been thinking about a ferry myself, not a Springer version.  I like  "Gotland" for a serious model so I can change the logo to "Scotland".  Springer ferry would have to be a colourful Baltic livery. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Norseman on November 08, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
Sorry Duncan

I thought you were asking us to guess what the crane was made from  %%

Dave
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on November 08, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
Yes thats correct, it is a cigarette lighter {-)  Been thinking about a Springalinga , art deco streamliner too {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on December 17, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
I'm trying one
Work in progress

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: andyn on December 17, 2011, 04:38:44 PM
Very nice of you to wrap the push knees in bubble wrap to protect everyone elses paint  ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on December 18, 2011, 11:25:13 AM
No bubblewrap just masling tape  {-) {-)

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Norseman on December 18, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
masling tape 

Sounds like Ned's hit the Sherry early.  O0 {-)

Dave
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on December 22, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
No Shelly.
As an ex RN Tiff there are only two drinks
Pussers Rum and any decent Real Ale  :-)) :-))

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on February 01, 2012, 02:08:45 PM
Look what german distributor Aeronaut just announced on the toy-fair:


http://www.aero-naut.de/produkte/schiffsmodellbau/schiffsmodelle/kommerzielle-schifffahrt/ramborator.html

I don't know anything about prices and availability and the page is all in German, but I can tell you it is according to the international rules.
I am at the Aeronaut-booth in Nuremberg on sunday and hope to get more details then.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Norseman on February 01, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
the page is all in German,

Hi Auriarius

There is a button (top right Union Jack) for the English pages.

I think you once had a Springer Kit thread? Did you ever resolve the idea?

Dave
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on February 01, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
Nice looker  :-))   Nice Price ??

Heres one I made earlier  ;D ;D

Just painted wheelhouse this afternoon thats why the windows are masked off.
Not long to launch now

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2012, 04:27:01 PM
Look what german distributor Aeronaut just announced on the toy-fair:


http://www.aero-naut.de/produkte/schiffsmodellbau/schiffsmodelle/kommerzielle-schifffahrt/ramborator.html

I don't know anything about prices and availability and the page is all in German, but I can tell you it is according to the international rules.
I am at the Aeronaut-booth in Nuremberg on sunday and hope to get more details then.
   Very interesting Aurigarius.  Be sure to tell the company about Mr Springer and about the Pacific North West model boat club. I wonder if they know that there isn't a real "Springer" but plenty of full-size  truckable pushboats on American AND European rivers.  As far as the design travelling as far as England and Germany,Holland Belgium France Denmark and be sure to inform them of the Japanese and Australian ones, heck there are even a few north of the English border in Scotland (not part of England if they ask.)  Refer them to MacSpringer`s channel on Youtube.  Do they want WORLDWIDE publicity for their kit ? Red Oktober needs sponsorship, Hope you and the other nameless- shameless Dortmund gate-crasher are well 8) , regards Duncan. ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 01, 2012, 05:33:19 PM

  I don't believe it!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 01, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
They have put the bulwarks at the wrong end IMHO :o
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on February 01, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
Duncan, I'll see Aero-Naut on the toy-fair on sunday. I will check out what they know about the "worldwide springer-movement"  :}
I hope the kit will be available for the Dortmund fair in April. We will have a booth there and like to sell loads of them.  ok2
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Aurigarius on February 01, 2012, 09:08:33 PM
I think you once had a Springer Kit thread? Did you ever resolve the idea?

Dave

Hi Dave.
see my post here:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21827.msg350455#msg350455
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on February 03, 2012, 02:24:31 PM
Just a quick pic of my springer engineroom under construction.

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 03, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
Ned have you made space for the batteries to be moved back ? You DONT want a nose-heavy trim on a Springer. You've made a very tidy job. The  :-))midship bollards are clever.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on February 03, 2012, 03:15:49 PM
She is floating with a slight bows up.
I had to weight the bow as she was
really down by the stern on first float
test.
The batteries can come aft about 2 inches
but then she looks like she is on the plane.
All being well she could get her bottom wet on Sunday
but we are expecting heavy snow  Sat night here on the
East Coast so we will have to see.

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 03, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Strange , engine and batteries forward and nose up {:-{   Get her out in the snow. We are hoping for some on Cairngorm ski slopes, bit bare so far this year >:-o :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: portside II on February 03, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
Nice and tidy Ned , better not show my bucket 'n' scarper internals  :embarrassed: .
daz
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on February 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
Arrow5 just to show the bows up attitude floating in a baby's bath!
If she tries to bury her nose I can move the batteries or add a bit of
lead aft.

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on February 04, 2012, 01:33:32 PM
Yep that looks like the correct angle-of-dangle to straighten out when she moves :-))   BTW did the baby enjoy it too? %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on February 26, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
Hey Ho
The pond today batteries moved slightly aft
and she goes ok.
Ten mins into her maiden voyage and a fast electric
has rudder probs and there we were with our first rescue.

Sorry no pics

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on April 17, 2012, 04:22:26 PM
Hi all
I now have added a springer to my fleet i made a start on the 1st of April just over two week's down to detailing it now
Few picture's
Hull is made from 6mm ply deck is ply the rest is plastic card
Next's few day's will put some fender round the hull

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 17, 2012, 05:47:16 PM

 Nice one Jason!   :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on April 17, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Cheers martin
Hoping to sail it sunday will post picture's if i do

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on May 18, 2012, 07:32:37 AM
Morning
I have now built a wood chip barge to tow with my springer will be testing on sunday
The barge is 24inch's by 12inch's
Will post picture's after sunday sailing
Few picture's before the barge get's wet :-)

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on May 18, 2012, 07:34:59 AM
I did also put a few logs together to tow i have tested that works well
Few pictures

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Stan on May 18, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
HI Guys. Just a quick post to confirm we would like to see as many Springer tugs as possible at Kirklees Model Boat Club open day on Sunday 8th July. The invite is for all types of Springers modified non-modified. More information reference our open day can be found on Mayhem or contact me via club web site at www.kirkleesmodelboatclub.org.uk

Stan  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on May 20, 2012, 03:15:00 PM
Hi stan
I will be bring a few springer's on open day
I was down the pond this morning to test the chip barge all when well got a few picture's

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: mark w on September 21, 2012, 10:17:07 PM


Tugboyben,

Springer and barge look great  :-)).

Mark
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugboyben on September 21, 2012, 10:46:28 PM
Cheer's mark
I have build another one LAZY-DAYS sinec that one hope to build springer number 3 over the winter   :D

Jason
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on September 24, 2012, 12:35:28 PM
Very rustic , in every sense {-)  just lovely !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: hazegry on August 22, 2013, 03:57:38 AM
I really like that Lazy days tug very cool.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Z750Jay on March 28, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Ok here is my first attempt.
Not yet finished painting the mast and top superstructure and have to 'tidy up' some bits but it's nearly there.
I shall try to get some better photos when I finish it and get my good camera back as this one is pants
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: paul johnston on April 22, 2014, 07:11:10 PM
my first attempt at a scratch built springer using offcut ply from work
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 22, 2014, 11:39:13 PM
 
Nice job!   :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: pier33 on May 27, 2014, 10:10:24 PM
Hello,
I don't post a lot but
A springer from French erea...
If my post his ok

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just a litle bigger than the pringer class
@+Pier33
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 27, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
Nice fishing-boat Springer. :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 27, 2014, 10:58:14 PM
Red Oktober`s agent in Scandinavia was ordered to investigate the possibility of producing a flat-pack Springer submarine to reduce shipping and postal costs . A scale model of course.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on May 28, 2014, 11:33:43 AM
Side view for those interested...patent pending {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on May 28, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
Looks a bit like a haggis  :D :D


Probably be a flotilla of them at Faslane and Rosyth
come  Indy Pen Dance  8) 8)




Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 11, 2014, 09:44:59 PM
Hi Folks.


After a long time in racing boats (and I still am) I have begun to build a tug, my 6yo daughter has told me she wants a boat and then... I found Springers!


How cool are these and very simple!


I have scoured the pictures and there are some great models on here...


I would really like to build either a RLNI ir a coast Guard boat but....


If I was to scale up 50% what motor/s and prop/s would I want?


This will not be for comp's, just for fun and for my daughter...


Any advice would be great!


Many thanks,


David.



Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: norry on June 12, 2014, 10:05:07 AM
Check out the ABS Kit that is built by FHM (i think)
 
It looks a real fun boat...
 
Sprinter i think the kit is called...
 
...Norry...
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 12, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
Thanks Norry,
I had a surf but couldn't find it...
Do you have a link???
David.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on June 12, 2014, 06:49:47 PM
SHG models did the sprinter.
In the 2010 Catalogue but not on
the web site now.
Might be worth a call.
It was Springer size  18" by 8"
550 motor and all the running gear
plus some fittings and decals for around
50 squids.

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 12, 2014, 07:10:44 PM
Thanks guys.


Although the sound of building a kit boat is appealing, I am on my way to building this from scratch!  :-))


I have marked out the sides for the "standard" 18 X 8 Springer for my daughter. I have in my box of bits a motor with gearbox and just about everything else... I think???


Really, my question was... If I was to scale it up 50%, What should I aim for as far as drives, motors and so on...


I was thinking, twin 50ish mm Korts, direct drive 540/600 motors running for 2 12V 7A batteries...??? Maybe????
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on June 12, 2014, 07:15:31 PM
Aeronaut De, make the Ramborator kit. Standard size, plenty big enough. Should be available from usual model boat shops like Cornwall et al :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: kmmbcwebmaster on June 12, 2014, 07:18:23 PM
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/info_AN3048_00.html
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on June 12, 2014, 07:27:38 PM
A couple of 555 direct drive with the rest of your
set up.
Speed is not an option with springers unless
you go brush less/lipo and maniac speeds.
They tend to nose dive with too much power.
Slow revs and plenty of torque with twin Korts
will make a fine model.

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on June 12, 2014, 07:43:38 PM
This one is single screw and tows and pushes well
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 13, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
Thanks for the replies guys!
I think I should K.I.S.S it.....


Tugnut, Wow, that looks great pushing that barge!!!


What drive have you got there?
What would you suggest I put in for a single KORT, 150% Springer???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on June 13, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
Hi Dave, its a 555 on 12v 40mm prop and rudder.it would be better with a nozle.
this is the other one with the same set up
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 13, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
That's awesome Tugnut! Thanks for the info....


What's the pump for? fire nozzle??


So, if I was to build a 150% Springer, maybe a pair of gearboxed 600's with 50-60mm props and Korts would bey strong but not too fast???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: tugnut on June 14, 2014, 04:03:21 PM
That would be one powerfule springer O0 ,yes the other one had fire moitors
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: KillerDave on June 14, 2014, 04:17:31 PM
That would be one powerfule springer O0 ,yes the other one had fire moitors


MONITORS! That's the word I was looking for! Lol... Hmmm....???? I might have a new idea just handed to me!  :-))


Powerful? Would it be too fast? should I reign it in a little???
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Z750Jay on June 24, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Morning all

The current springer was the first boat I built so is carrying all the newbie mistakes I made, the most important being not thinking forward to changing things later. The upper superstructure is very small so I am stuck with fitting everything in the hull (all the electronics, motor and two lead batteries). Gets warm in there plus is a pain to work on due to my big hands not having any space.
I am thinking of a major refit. New superstucture, bigger deck opening kort nossel and different batteries(lighter)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Z750Jay on July 09, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
Scrub around my last. Managed to kill the springer this weekend  :((
Went to pick it up to do some maint after her sterling service at the MM and DF65 regatta this weekend as a rescue and mark recovery boat and the darn deck gave way dropping her from about 4 foot onto a concrete floor. All the electronics, batteries etc were ok but the hull is now kindle wood. Scared the cr@p out of the land sharks (my cats )as well .
Currently designing a super springeresk thing. Roughly springer shaped but moving away from the hydrodynamic properties of a brick. Only 16" long but 11" wide it will have two fixed kort nozzles with 60mm props. I am going to name it the Clarkson as it's all about POWWWWWEEEEEEER.
Props, motor and battery with a hull around them.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Calimero on July 09, 2014, 04:32:36 PM

Too bad for your springer.  <:(

I get your Clarkson thing. I also have a regulation-size springer (but with a brushless motor and a 45mm prop which helps tow 350kg ships). But right now I'm designing a slightly bigger one (around 600m; 1.25x the reg size).


My first springer was just a side project while working on my Odin tug. But I really like my springer ! Funny little thing and with the right prop she's able to tow quite well. And run time is around 4h.

(http://rc.noalia.fr/files/misc/plan_b_02b.jpg)

Anyway, I'm going with two 50mm props in steerable korts with brushless motors. Not as wild a prop/size ratio as your project but I'm positive she'll tow well. We have CNC cutting machines at my club's workshop. Still need a quick introduction as how to run them. Then go !
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: johnhelmer on August 14, 2014, 07:35:29 PM
http://youtu.be/6vOAjgp20s8 (http://youtu.be/6vOAjgp20s8)


-Spruffer "Vital Spark"
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 14, 2014, 08:47:43 PM
Aye John, no bad, no bad at all at all.   Ye`ll be needin` a crew, nae doubt they will be hardy souls o` the sea, aye.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Bob K on August 16, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
My newly acquired Springer Tug "Misha" following change of motor and complete rewire.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/bobkiralfy/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/bobkiralfy/media/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg.html)

Single shaft with Kort. 555 motor. 2 x 6V 4.5Ah batteries in series. Continuous sailing duration at least 2.5 hours.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 25, 2014, 10:41:39 AM

Tugster (Springer)Tug Boat Kit!


http://zippkits.com/~zippkits/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=86&products_id=498

http://zippkits.com/tug.pdf

(http://zippkits.com/~zippkits/images/Zipp/7100_2.JPG)

(http://zippkits.com/~zippkits/images/Zipp/7300_2.JPG)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on August 25, 2014, 01:52:58 PM
My newly acquired Springer Tug "Misha" following change of motor and complete rewire.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/bobkiralfy/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/bobkiralfy/media/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg.html)

Single shaft with Kort. 555 motor. 2 x 6V 4.5Ah batteries in series. Continuous sailing duration at least 2.5 hours.
    Great looking pusher Bob, now a rake of barges ? %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: chrislang on October 24, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
Reading this after a long break I relate to Z750 Jay's experience with dropping his Springer, as mine had a simular experience after prolonged use by two of my Grandsons. The result was a holed and badly delaminated ply hull, having looked at the possible repairs, sheathing with fiberglass etc was quite costly, so I eventually found that 'Models by Design' produced a complete Springer hull for only £20. Having bought this I was able to transfer all the components over and she is now somewhat lighter and fully functioning again as in the pic.
'Models by Design' were great to deal with and only a couple of weeks in producing the hull I can't recommend them enough.
Cheers Chris
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Z750Jay on December 19, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
 Not a bad price of £50 for the complete kit.
Currently got a Bantum Canal tug as a stand in for the springer. It's tiny - only 14" long but has all the stuff from the springer in it. Also handles like one with lots of submarining at speed.
One of its good points is that it makes the springer hull look roomy in comparison!
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Paxton on March 29, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
This, I think, is the biggest Springer tug I have ever seen. ;)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on March 29, 2015, 11:51:05 AM
 :-))   Hope somebody builds a scale model of this one...it`ll send the rivet counters mad. Imagine the pond-side arguments, "it IS a Springer" >>:-( .   "Nah , nothing like it " <*<  etc etc.   Take this picture with you if you do build one. {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 29, 2015, 02:12:41 PM
This, I think, is the biggest Springer tug I have ever seen. ;)

           O0        {-)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Netleyned on March 29, 2015, 02:32:57 PM
Come on boys we can do better than that {-) {-) {-)
Even one for Duncan %%

Ned
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 03, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Oh oh, might need a repaint soon.    Don't forget the Springeren submarine in the Aalborg Maritime Museum in Denmark.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: warspite on April 03, 2015, 12:06:12 PM
well they are known to 'submarine at speed'   %)
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Arrow5 on April 06, 2015, 10:19:01 AM
Further to Ned`s post about the various ships called Springer I Googled the Rhine one and found details. It is an 85m long hopper barge powered by two 450hp diesel Schottel drives. Carries 1500 cu.m. , aprox. 3,135 tons.  It is named after a shoal in the North Sea.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: bill stafford on May 16, 2015, 02:40:11 AM
hi guys,
can any-one tell me the size of the little tug on page 31, maid of the mist 2?
I think it is approx. 5M loa ,but i dont know , it is very hard to tell from the photos
it seems small at that size
I am interested in it,as a simple tug ,dont know at what size yet,could be very small , or bigger,approx. 500mm,but its a bit hard to visit from Australia, to find out .
its simple line will lend to a quick built tug
regards and thanks bill S
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Tug Hercules Fireman on May 16, 2015, 03:45:14 AM
Maid of the Mist


There has been numerous copies of this little Tug / Ferry / Tour Boat over the years.

Here is a quick overview;

Maid of the Mist I
Years of service: 1846–54
Type: double-stack steamboat ferry
Engine: 1 sidewheel steam

A second Maid of the Mist I was built in 1854
Years of service: 1854–60
Length: 72 feet (22 m)
Type: single-stack steamer
Engine: paddle boat

While on his 1860 tour of Canada, Albert Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII), rode on Maid of the Mist.[2] With business dwindling and the resulting financial pressures, the ships were sold. The impending American Civil War contributed to the issue[citation needed] and the final boat was sold to a Montreal firm in 1860. Service was not restored until 1895, when two new boats were constructed and launched under a new partnership, Maid of the Mist Steamboat Company.

Stereoscopic view of Maid of the Mist II, c. 1896–1906
Maid of the Mist I, this one sailed closer to Horseshoe Falls than any had previously.
Years of service: 1885–1955
Type: steam boat
Engine: N/A

Maid of the Mist II
Years of service: 1892–1955
Type: white oak steam boat
Length: 89 feet (27 m)
Engine: 2 engine steam

These boats sailed the lower river until April 22, 1955, when they burned in a pre-season accident. Later that year, they were replaced by two new ships. The type and style of the boats is still seen today; they were made of steel and powered by diesel engines.

Maid of the Mist I
Years of service: 1955–90
Length: 66 feet (20 m)
Engine: 200 horsepower (150 kW) diesel engines
Passengers: 101

Maid of the Mist II
Years of service: 1956–83
Type: all-steel boat, twin of I
Engine: 200 horsepower (150 kW) diesel engines
Passengers: 101

Maid of the Mist is well known for her role in the 9 July 1960, rescue of Roger Woodward, a seven-year-old boy who became the first person to survive a plunge over the Horseshoe Falls with nothing but a life jacket. The boat involved in the rescue (Maid of the Mist II) was retired from service in 1983 and relocated to the Amazon River, where she served as a missionary ship for some years.[1]

Access to the river-level attraction on the Canadian side was provided by the Maid of the Mist Incline Railway, a funicular railway, between 1894 and 1990, to travel between street level and the boat dock.[3] As this service proved increasingly inadequate in transporting the growing passenger base of the 1990s, four high-speed elevators replaced the railway by the start of the 1991 tourist season. The same year, The Prince and Princess of Wales, and their two young sons, Princes William and Harry, rode on Maid of the Mist.[4] On the American side, the dock is reached by four elevators enclosed in the observation tower.[5]

Maid of the Mist III
Years of service: 1972–97
Length: 65 feet (20 m)
Gross tonnage: 75[6]
Engine: single 250 horsepower (190 kW) diesel
Passengers: 210

Maid of the Mist IV
Years of service: 1976–2013
Length: 72 feet (22 m)
Gross tonnage: 75[7]
Engine: two 250 horsepower (190 kW) diesel
Passengers: 300

Maid of the Mist V
Years of service: 1983–2013
Length: 72 feet (22 m)
Gross tonnage: 74[8]
Engine: two 355 horsepower (265 kW) diesel
Passengers: 300


Maid of the Mist VI
Years of service: 1990–present
Length: 74 feet (23 m)
Breadth: 30 feet (9.1 m)
Depth: 10 feet (3.0 m)
Gross tonnage: 155[9]
Engine: two 355 horsepower (265 kW) diesel
Passengers: 600
Alexisonfire's 2009 "Young Cardinals" music video was shot on Maid of the Mist VI

Maid of the Mist VII
Years of service: 1997–present;
Length: 80 feet (24 m)
Breadth: 30 feet (9.1 m)
Depth: 10 feet (3.0 m)
Gross tonnage: 155[10]
Engine: two 350 horsepower (260 kW) diesel
Passengers: 600


Tug Hercules
Fireman Rick
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: ray123 on May 16, 2015, 07:26:17 AM
My newly acquired Springer Tug "Misha" following change of motor and complete rewire.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/bobkiralfy/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/bobkiralfy/media/misha3_zps24b40768.jpg.html)

Single shaft with Kort. 555 motor. 2 x 6V 4.5Ah batteries in series. Continuous sailing duration at least 2.5 hours.
good to see one of my builds from a few year's back still going strong & looking good too!  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: bill stafford on May 16, 2015, 01:45:55 PM
thank you so very much, for taking the time to help,and answer my questions
I would like too know the details on the little tug as well,I make it 5.556M+1.8M beam , but it seems a bit small,so I thought i could ask you guys for help.
even thought about doing a mini model tug,as i have some micro gear
can any one help w the dimensions of the small tug??
regards and thanks heaps bill s
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Nemo on November 19, 2015, 08:11:10 PM

Here she is, at work -  taken last July by Nemo.
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Nemo on February 22, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
New Springer on the block! Mr Springer and family on holiday. All built from scrap-box. Lake test soon.  O0
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: radiojoe on February 22, 2016, 05:09:13 PM
Great imagination and thoughtful detail, that is one fun Springer, I did note the mother in law is tagging along. %%.
Nice one Nemo  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Nemo on February 22, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Thanks Joe - I'm just working on Dad's fishing rod now! Maybe a skiff to tow along also.  :-))
Title: Re: Springer Tugs
Post by: Rhys on October 02, 2017, 12:46:15 PM
Can someone please tell me where I now find plan